[00:01] <daftykins> Azelphur: you really don't want to do the minimum disk RAID 5
[00:03] <Azelphur> yea, I'm just using them as normal drives for now
[00:03] <Azelphur> maybe if I get a couple more 3TB's I'll do it
[00:04] <daftykins> ^_^
[00:04] <daftykins> my 6 x 1TB RAID 5 is so old school now
[00:04] <daftykins> put that one together late 2007
[00:05] <daftykins> recently finished a building-to-building network cable to provide a spot for backup drives 'off-site' for a client
[00:06] <daftykins> took his partners backup drive down there, just a simple 2 x 1TB mirrored WD My Book World Edition II setup
[00:06] <daftykins> one of the disks died in turning it off and moving it there >_< had to replace it today
[00:06] <daftykins> over 750 reallocated sectors!
[00:07] <Azelphur> lol
[00:08] <daftykins> 2TB and greater disks just take far too long to sort out
[00:08] <daftykins> roll on being able to get everything flash :D
[00:08] <Azelphur> moving 2TB of data off a drive over USB... #thingsthatareslow
[00:08] <Azelphur> USB 2, as well.
[00:08] <daftykins> ooooouch
[00:09] <daftykins> how come they're not both hooked up internally?
[00:10] <Azelphur> daftykins: originally, because I had a case that only had one drive bay
[00:10] <Azelphur> now, because the USB controller messes with the sector size so this is the only way to get the data off
[00:27] <daftykins> weird!
[00:27] <daftykins> alright i'm out nn \o
[07:04] <knightwise> morning
[07:06] <popey> hello
[07:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning all.
[07:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: You all set for tomorrow evening?
[07:10] <popey> yeah, whats the plan?
[07:10] <popey> or is it too early for a "plan"
[07:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> Probably too early. We are trying to clarify times for a prospect meeting in town tomorrow afternoon. So not sure what time the pub will beckon ;-)
[07:42] <MartijnVdS> http://ben174.github.io/rikeripsum/
[07:51] <SuperMatt> morning
[07:53] <dogmatic69> Installed xbuntu-desktop last night and multi monitors work fine now. idk why unity does not just work
[07:54] <diplo> Morning all
[07:56] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :)
[07:58]  * DJones waits with baited breath to see what "happy .... day today is"
[07:59] <popey> JamesTait: slacker!
[07:59] <DJones> popey: It'll probably turn out to be happy slackware day
[07:59] <popey> ☻
[07:59] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: multi monitors works for you in xfce but not unity? Peculiar, I didn't think XFCE did multi-monitor
[07:59] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: ye, pretty much out the box
[08:00] <MartijnVdS> DJones: Sweetmorn, Confusion 30, Year of Our Lady of Discord 3179
[08:00] <MartijnVdS> ?
[08:00] <popey> pick your own ☻  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_25
[08:00] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Catfish_Day
[08:00] <DJones> MartijnVdS: I'll go with with that one
[08:01] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: not with 3+ monitors anyway
[08:01] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: I've only ever tried it with two
[08:01] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: http://askubuntu.com/a/145501/12306
[08:01] <MartijnVdS> DJones: also, 7 Messidor CCXXI
[08:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> Gosh - I didn't know Farrah Fawcet had died.
[08:01] <dogmatic69> ye, 2 works fine.
[08:02] <dogmatic69> xfce is pretty cool and much easier on the ram / cpu
[08:02] <BigRedS> Hah, I don't think I ever even found the right dialogue box to do it with
[08:02] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: http://deathlist.net/ :)
[08:02] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: it is also very very 1997 :)
[08:02] <BigRedS> (which, yes, might be a plus side :) )
[08:02] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: what's wrong with 1997? :)
[08:02] <BigRedS> Bah. Trust the perl guy to come out with that ;)_
[08:02] <JamesTait> Today is apparently "Please take my kids to work day", but I have my kids at work with me every day, so it didn't seem noteworthy. ;)
[08:02] <MartijnVdS> haha :)
[08:02] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: only thing I am missing is the unity hud thing
[08:03] <BigRedS> Ah, I always disabled that 'cause I'm too retarded to use both that *and* terminator's alt+arrow-key control
[08:03] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: another plus!
[08:03] <dogmatic69> but just installed synapse which seems to be quite good and similar
[08:04] <dogmatic69> also sudo apt-get install xbuntu-desktop and you can still have unity. That is quite nice
[08:04] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:04] <dogmatic69> switch between them.
[08:04] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: how else would you do it?
[08:05] <dogmatic69> install xbuntu from scratch...
[08:05] <BigRedS> oh
[08:05] <BigRedS> Lots of people seem to find installing from scratch a hugely less jarring experience than I do
[08:06] <dogmatic69> I had downloaded the install for a few other distros but then just thought I would give a new wm a go
[08:14] <BigRedS> yeah, I had another go through most of the *-desktops a few weeks ago. Since I really like Gnome but they seem intent on changing that
[08:20] <diplo> I've not tried another DE for yonks
[08:21] <BigRedS> I tried "all of them" back when the end of Gnome 2.x was first mooted
[08:22] <popey> i tried GNOME Shell for a day last week
[08:22] <BigRedS> I tried KDE for two days last week
[08:22]  * AlanBell is using unity in Saucy and it is OK
[08:23] <diplo> I've got used to unity, I can't remember when i clicked an icon on the side bar though
[08:23] <dogmatic69> ha, the xfce lock screen is very windows 95
[08:23] <SuperMatt> xfce is very windows 95
[08:24] <SuperMatt> even MS have realised that the 95 interface isn't right anymore. I wish people would just let go
[08:24] <Laney> why do you care if people want to use it?
[08:25] <BigRedS> Yeah, if we go down the route of banning theoretically bad UIs we end up with, uh, no Linux desktop
[08:25] <dogmatic69> terminal is so 1980's... people still use that
[08:25] <BigRedS> mine's transparent
[08:25] <BigRedS> that's very 2008
[08:27] <awilkins> Mine has a background image of tiled BBC Micro Owls
[08:27] <awilkins> That's 80s with an 80s twist
[08:29] <awilkins> Terminal is actually the interface of the future - today
[08:29] <popey> OWLS!
[08:29] <awilkins> Windowed UIs are such a step back in terms of re-use and interoperability between programs
[08:30] <awilkins> Actually, there's an idea that's popped into my head again for the second time this week - input and output streams for windowed apps
[08:31] <awilkins> Or does dbus fill this niche?
[08:31] <awilkins> Anyway, maybe add a desktop manager feature that lets you draw stream connectors between windows
[08:32] <BigRedS> that sounds like more work than I could be arsed with
[08:32] <BigRedS> I am, generally, quite lazy though
[08:33] <awilkins> Well, for us guys familiar with the CLI shell, it would be a PITA
[08:33] <awilkins> Doesn't apple have something like that though - some kind of CLI pipeline GUI
[08:35] <awilkins> You could maybe have a task switcher kind of thing that showed you a processing pipeline and the windows it was made of and let you switch left and right along the stream
[08:39] <Paladine> hey popey, if you are here, do me a favour and don't respond to my stalker, he harasses everyone I tweet, if you respond he gets worse
[08:40] <mungbean> :-|
[08:40] <popey> hah
[08:40] <mungbean> does he have a name?
[08:41] <popey> he doesn't seem like a stalker
[08:41] <mungbean> is it ....is it.. MooDoo ?
[08:41] <mungbean> ;)
[08:41] <MooDoo> I don't stalk people....much
[08:41] <popey> also, your freelancer project seems like massive overkill
[08:41] <mungbean> (nothing personal, random name)
[08:41] <popey> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Software-Architecture/Chromium-Firefox-branch-repost.html
[08:41] <MooDoo> mungbean: i know :D
[08:44] <Paladine> popey, yeah he is, he has been stalking me for years, check his time-line it is a one stop attack shop against me and my work, and full of lies and quotes completely out of context
[08:46] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[08:46] <popey> yeah, i read most of it last night
[08:46] <popey> was entertaining bed time reading
[08:47] <diplo> Guys, printing from a linux server to a windows machine 7 or 8 with permissions on the printer set to everyone still requires authing
[08:47] <diplo> Anyone know a quick way round that before I get googling again.. looked a week or so ago but the issue has arisen again
[08:48] <diplo> Worked fine on XP machines, so I'm sure it's a permissions thing but haven't found a good answer yet
[08:50] <diplo> Quick outlay of our system, we have a text based system that normally lp prints to dedicated printers at branches, our customer VPN's in and wants to print at home over here USB printer, we have a fixed  IP on the machine and a share on the printer which can be seen from the server but not accessed properly
[08:51] <Paladine> he has an issue because I left NoDPI and joined Privacy International
[08:51] <Paladine> he cost me a job about a month ago as director of a software company who were going to develop a bunch of privacy solutions I had designed, because he started harassing -all- their directors
[08:52] <Paladine> and fabricating stuff about their company
[08:55] <awilkins> Sounds like a giant asshat
[08:55] <Paladine> yeah he is
[08:55] <Paladine> I have had to put up with his crap since early 2009
[08:56] <Paladine> I try to ignore him but he has a habit of harassing my the people I talk to on Twitter
[08:56] <awilkins> Send his details to Anonymous (muahahahahah)
[08:56] <popey> i dont feel harrassed fwiw
[08:58] <Paladine> and now his partner in crime has chirped up too
[08:58] <popey> Are they like Starsky and Hutch?
[08:58] <Paladine> Kenturtleglue is even worse
[08:58] <popey> Or more like Cagney and Lacey?
[08:58] <Paladine> I banned him from NoDPI in the early days back in 2008 because he was posting porn and attacking everyone because he didn't get his own way
[08:59] <Paladine> more like tweedle-dum and tweedle-dee
[09:03] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:04] <Paladine> also popey, why is the freelancer post overkill?  I need a custom build of chromium and firefox and I don't have the time to familiarise myself with the codebases
[09:05] <popey> why custom build at all, why not just fiddle the config so it doesn't do the things you don't want it to do
[09:05] <popey> I didn't think it needed a whole rebuild just for that
[09:06] <Paladine> because I want to make the build publicly available under the brand Private Browser
[09:06] <Paladine> I need it to turn on a bunch of settings by default, change startpage and search providers, include a couple of addons
[09:07] <Paladine> I want to offer both chromium core and firefox core to people so they don't have to choose between their favourite browsers
[09:07] <popey> how will you keep them updated?
[09:08] <mungbean> i wouldn't trust a "private browser" from a 3rd party
[09:08] <Paladine> the project will be maintained once it is up and running I will be able to secure enough funding to keep it running
[09:08] <mungbean> firefox + extensions is sufficient, and mozilla have my trust
[09:09] <mungbean> random person on internet != trustworthy with my browser source code
[09:09] <Paladine> that is entirely up to you mungbean but a: I am not "random person" I am a very well known privacy advocate (you just don't know me) and b: lots of people have told me they would like the solution I am trying to offer
[09:09] <popey> indeed, i trust the people who manage the ubuntu archive, and the upstream developers
[09:10] <popey> in the context of mozilla and chromium, you are random person on the internet
[09:10] <popey> you don't have commit rights to either project
[09:10] <popey> so you're the same class as everyone else
[09:10] <awilkins> And that trust is enforced by the signatures on the package archives
[09:10] <Paladine> I don't need commit rights, I can branch them perfectly legally
[09:10] <popey> no matter what your linkedin profile says
[09:10] <popey> I didn't say anything about legality
[09:11] <popey> I'm talking involvement, reputation and community standing for either project (firefox and chromium)
[09:11] <Paladine> as I said, I am not forcing this on anyone, you are welcome to not use the build, but a lot of people do want it, people's opinions are valid on all sides
[09:11] <popey> Mind you that said people download all kinds of random binaries and install them, have done for years
[09:12] <Paladine> I know a lot of people in my field who are unhappy with the Mozilla/Google relationship
[09:12] <mungbean> the sort of people who want "private browser" might have a heightened awareness of trusted authors
[09:12] <mungbean> Paladine: have you found any code to suggest any wrong doing?
[09:13] <Paladine> it isn't about wrong doing
[09:13] <Paladine> I never suggested for one second there was any wrong doing
[09:13] <mungbean> < Paladine> I know a lot of people in my field who are unhappy with the Mozilla/Google relationship
[09:13] <Paladine> I have a close relationship with Mozilla
[09:13] <Paladine> not being happy with a relationship is not the same as saying there is wqrong doing
[09:13] <mungbean> there is a suggestion of wrongdoing there
[09:13] <Paladine> a lot of people simply do not like google
[09:14] <Paladine> google are disliked in privacy circles because they keep breaking the law
[09:14] <BigRedS> That freelancer page doesn't exist apparently
[09:14] <Paladine> and running havoc on people's privacy
[09:14] <Paladine> yeah the stupid system is autodeleting them for some reason
[09:52] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:57] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[09:57] <bigcalm> Bit early for you isn't it?
[09:57] <davmor2> bigcalm: 9 minutes
[10:05] <ali1234> 800000 files processed
[10:06] <BigRedS> that's a suspiciously round number
[10:07] <ali1234> Paladine: how does startpage conduct google searches on behalf of their users without getting every single one of their servers banned?
[10:08] <ali1234> BigRedS: well, i rounded it
[10:09] <ali1234> bottom line is it's done 50%
[10:09] <popey> what are you "processing"?
[10:09] <popey> out of interest
[10:09] <ali1234> my old files
[10:09] <ali1234> from yesterday, remember?
[10:09] <popey> no ☻
[10:10] <ali1234> oh maybe you weren't here
[10:10] <popey> i may or may not have been paying attention
[10:10] <mungbean> when we were discussing ncdu
[10:10] <ali1234> you know when you make a new homedirectory and rename the old one "old" and put it inside the old "old" and then after several years you have "old/old/old/old/old"
[10:10] <popey> yes ☻
[10:10] <ali1234> well my "old" directory is now 150GB/1.5M files
[10:10] <popey> hah
[10:11] <ali1234> so i am building a database with md5sum and mimetype and keywords from libextract
[10:11] <popey> to dedupe?
[10:12] <mungbean> sure there's an app for that
[10:12] <Paladine> ali - they have a license from Google
[10:13] <ali1234> popey: to dedupe and also search it
[10:13] <ali1234> Paladine: i see thanks
[10:14] <mungbean> if a service section in nagios object config file doesn't have a contact stated, (but is stated for services elsewhere in teh file), who does it used for notifications?
[10:14] <BigRedS> does the host have a contact?
[10:15] <BigRedS> actually, this probably varies by version and shamefully I'm still on 1.x
[10:15] <mungbean> no
[10:15] <mungbean> ah, inherits "linux-server" template...will check
[10:16] <mungbean> which doesn't seem to exist
[10:16] <diplo> mungbean: linux-server is a default 1
[10:16] <diplo> 1= one :)
[10:16] <diplo> BigRedS: 1 ?!??!!?!?
[10:17] <mungbean> 	register			0		; DONT REGISTER THIS DEFINITION - ITS NOT A REAL HOST, JUST A TEMPLATE!
[10:18] <BigRedS> diplo: yeah
[10:18] <diplo> :)
[10:19] <diplo> mungbean: You can still use them, or you can copy and call it something else if you prefer, I used the default ones quite a bit
[10:19] <BigRedS> diplo: it's a really scary thing to migrate
[10:19] <mungbean> i have 2 groups of servers
[10:19] <mungbean> group1 -> email admins
[10:19] <mungbean> group2 -> email otheradmins
[10:21] <diplo> BigRedS: I bet it is, I started on 3 I think so never had the joy
[10:22] <diplo> So in your template you create linux-servers1 and 2 and in the template define the contact you want, then in the hosts add them to the particular group
[10:22] <mungbean> yes,
[10:22] <mungbean> thats what i just did :D
[10:22] <mungbean> $previousadmin had not done it
[10:23] <mungbean> instead every service had a contact_groups line
[10:23] <mungbean> except only half of them did actually
[10:25] <mungbean> one of these days i'm gonna set up some proper performance monitoring
[10:33] <andylockran> silly question; if I can't traceroute an IP, does that mean I don't have a route to it?
[10:33] <andylockran> traceroute 212.187.206.45
[10:35] <bigcalm> Not really, the end point might have ping blocked. How far can you get?
[10:35]  * bigcalm hugs mtr
[10:35]  * popey also hugs mtr
[10:35] <bigcalm> I'm not seeing any packet loss
[10:36] <bigcalm> Looking at mtr, I have a route to that IP address. But it isn't responding to pings
[10:39] <popey> it fails at the last hop for me
[10:40] <mungbean> tcptraceroute
[10:40] <mungbean> regular traceroute is udp
[10:42] <andylockran> the endpoint probably has ping blocked
[10:43] <BigRedS> yeah, traceroute traffic is always the first dropped when a switch is busy, too
[10:44] <andylockran> thanks guys for your help
[10:54] <mungbean> i *hate* that when you click refresh on a nagios page, it kicks you back to the home screen
[10:58] <directhex> i hate nagios
[11:00] <andylockran> I like opsview
[11:07] <directhex> i like big butts and i cannot lie
[11:10] <dwatkins> I like munin.
[11:11] <bigcalm> Fruit flies like a banana
[11:12] <diplo> mungbean: You a chrome/chromium user ?
[11:12] <diplo> If so you can right click and Reload Frame
[12:00] <BigRedS> firefox does same
[12:00] <BigRedS> but I always remember once I've already f5ed
[12:02] <diplo> Hmm, didn't see it last time.
[12:27] <BigRedS> ah, thinking about it, it might not...
[12:28] <BigRedS> I use a Firefox plugin which links us straight to that frame
[13:09] <czajkowski> aloha
[13:09] <BigRedS> Good Morning!
[13:11] <mungbean> hmmm generic_service seems to overwrite contact settings for the host template
[13:16] <davmor2> czajkowski: prodington prod with a prodity prod
[13:21] <MooDoo> hello davmor2
[13:21] <davmor2> MooDoo: 'ow am ya mukka
[13:23] <MooDoo> :d
[13:23] <davmor2> MooDoo: that bad
[13:24] <MooDoo> it's not too bad
[13:28]  * czajkowski tickles davmor2 
[13:29]  * davmor2 hugs czajkowski as he knows how much it annoys her 
[13:30] <MooDoo> davmor2: you know czajkowski prefers being stabbed.
[13:41] <davmor2> MooDoo: you'll be on #naughtystep faster than your head can spin
[13:47] <dwatkins> [ you are now leaving #ubuntu-uk and being forcibly redirected to #naughtystep due to your being naughty] - like this? ;)
[14:03] <MooDoo> lo
[14:03] <MooDoo> lol
[14:03] <MooDoo> i'm in/on #naughtystep
[14:09] <mungbean> any recommendations on how i can examine if a mutlithreaded process is working efficiently?
[14:09] <mungbean> top and pressing 1 is about as far as i've got
[14:09] <directhex> mungbean, you'd need a decent profiler for that
[14:09] <dwatkins> strace might help, mungbean - you can have it follow separate processes, iirc
[14:09] <mungbean> its a large application
[14:10] <mungbean> user is complaining its running slower than the old server
[14:10] <mungbean> frequently seeing lots of cores getting used though
[14:10] <dwatkins> there's also 'sar' (system activity reporter) although that's more about the general server health - install 'sysstat' for that
[14:12] <dwatkins> another option is to install 'munin' and look at the graphs, note that it has two parts, munin-node (for clients) and munin (for the server), or you can install both on a single machine and have it report to itself\
[14:13] <mungbean> thanks, i may consider that
[14:13] <mungbean> its on a server thought so hmmmm
[14:14] <dwatkins> I have munin on my server as well as sysstat reporting the kernel's stats
[14:14] <mgdm> htop can be a little more enlightening than top
[14:14] <mungbean> are you watching my screen :P
[14:14] <mungbean> just installed it
[14:14] <mungbean> it certainly is nicer
[14:14] <mungbean> had to use EPEL..
[14:15] <mgdm> last time I moved an app between servers it turned out that rverse DNS wasn't set up right and that made a bunch of network calls take ages
[14:16] <mungbean> i'm using stata MP
[14:17] <dwatkins> http://edinburgh.piku.org.uk/munin/ for an example of munin
[14:18] <dwatkins> I should probably connect my other hard drives back up again.
[14:31]  * bigcalm kicks Spotify
[14:32] <bigcalm> Is it working for anybody?
[14:32] <Laney> john lewis gave me a delivery window of 2pm-9pm
[14:32] <Laney> grr
[14:32] <diplo> Migght have to try munin myself
[14:32] <Laney> spotify> yes, using it via the web player atm
[14:32] <Laney> the client has been borked on saucy for me since the start
[14:33] <bigcalm> The client is fine for me, I meant the service with the client
[14:33] <mgdm> bigcalm: it's working for me
[14:34] <bigcalm> Boo
[14:34] <bigcalm> Nope, not working for me. Says I'm offline
[14:35] <bigcalm> Time for some sound cloud
[14:36] <bigcalm> Pleasing that my sound cloud set downloader still works. PHP 'n all. I shall go to hell I know
[15:00]  * dwatkins notes that people are still looking at his munin installation
[15:30] <mungbean> my desktop PC feels slower when i can hear the disk
[15:38] <awilkins_> Do you remember the times of Windows 3.11 when the disks were really noisy
[15:38] <awilkins_> This is one reason you'd associate disk noise with sloth
[15:38] <awilkins_> Those old systems use to page to disk all the time
[15:39] <mgdm> I associate disk noise with slow machiens because disks are slow :-)
[15:39]  * mgdm pats his SSDs
[15:39] <mungbean> but my machine is actually running slothfully
[15:39] <mungbean> few seconds to scroll etc
[15:39] <mungbean> scroll...chug...
[15:40] <mungbean> about:memory always shags ff
[15:41] <awilkins_> Probably has to page all that RAM back off the disk to examine it
[15:41] <mungbean> 30+ tabs
[17:57] <Laney> bah
[17:57] <Laney> The delivery still hasn't come
[17:57] <Laney> trapped
[17:58] <daftykins> :(
[17:58] <daftykins> been lurking at home waiting for something?
[17:58] <Laney> well I work from home but I'd probably have gone out at 6 otherwise
[17:59] <Laney> the window is up to 9pm ...
[18:02] <popey> leave a note on the door "Deliver to popey"
[18:05] <daftykins> i'm awaiting LCD attempt 2 for a friends sisters laptop that got sat on / similar
[18:05] <daftykins> the first one had all the funky colours, so the ebay seller believes a 'firmware updated' model will work
[18:05] <daftykins> i'm not holding my breath
[19:03] <Laney> coming in 30 minutes ...
[19:08] <daftykins> D:
[19:08] <daftykins> is it something exciting?
[19:09] <Laney> a sexy pink armchair
[19:10] <daftykins> serious?
[19:11] <Laney> very
[19:11] <Laney> http://www.johnlewis.com/john-lewis-sullivan-chair-plain-pink/p551464
[19:13] <pr0ph3t1> hi all
[19:15] <pr0ph3t1> has anyone else got the cryptswap problem? It is not found at startup and it asks if I want to mount it manually
[19:15] <popey> i have had that in the past, yes
[19:16] <pr0ph3t1> I still have it on Saucy though
[19:17] <pr0ph3t1> I'm reporting it on launchpad Bug #798086 as it seems it has not been solved completely yet
[19:17] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 798086 in linux (Ubuntu) "Occasional "The disk drive for /dev/mapper/cryptswap1 is not ready yet or not present" on system startup" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/798086
[19:19] <pr0ph3t1> I always forget how to use grep though
[19:20] <pr0ph3t1> It doesn't give errors in dmesg, is that normal?
[19:21] <daftykins> Laney: interesting
[19:28] <pr0ph3t1> exit
[19:34] <pr0ph3t1> re all
[19:51] <mungbean> hmmm https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightread/+bug/1155251/comments/7
[19:51] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 1155251 in Lightread "Google Reader close" [Critical,Confirmed]
[20:04] <Laney> daftykins: http://ubuntuone.com/3lIEEKDe2CsYtFpjw374RL
[20:04] <Laney> ohhhhhhh yeahhhhhhh
[20:19] <brobostigon> it does seems somewhat obvious, that some of the children they are showing on "child genius" on itv1, are definatly aspies.
[20:19] <popey> Laney: that has almost exactly 100% too many cushions
[20:20] <popey> No, wait. Exactly 100%
[20:20] <Laney> no
[20:20] <Laney> you are incorrect
[20:20] <popey> Well that's never happened before.
[20:21] <Laney> s'alright, you'll recover
[20:21] <Laney> (but the internet never forgets)
[20:21] <brobostigon> ch4, sorry.
[20:22] <jacobw_> I asked the internet, and it said popey's never been wrong before
[20:22] <brobostigon> lol
[20:22] <Laney> quick, add it to his wikipedia page
[20:22] <popey> wait, what, I have a wikipedia page?
[20:23] <brobostigon> nobodies perfect
[20:24] <jacobw_> Nobody's perfect
[20:24] <brobostigon> thats it.
[20:24] <Laney> My body's perfect
[20:24]  * Laney schwing
[20:27] <mungbean> thats filmed outside my room at work
[20:27] <mungbean> im probably on it , twatting them as i run for the train
[20:27] <popey> is it whiskey O'clock?
[20:29] <mungbean> "you can memorise a whole pack of cards. congrats, your best friend will live inside minecraft
[20:29] <mungbean> and you might become a brilliant programmer
[20:30] <mungbean> and live in a basement
[20:31] <popey> jcm was a child prodigy if I recall. and despite being a bit odd, he's got a pretty normal social life ☻
[20:31] <popey> (I am sure he doesn't mind being described as a bit odd)
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: memorising a pack of cards is useful.. read cryptonomicon ;)
[20:31] <mgdm> popey: it's whisky o'clock here
[20:32] <popey> WIN!
[20:32] <mgdm> MartijnVdS: rom what I remember of that book memorising the deck wasn't a requirement
[20:32] <popey> father in law gave me a bottle at the weekend
[20:32] <mungbean> my son has memorised the whole gruffalo book and others word for word, its worrying but hopefully normal
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: it helps though
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: geek parents -> geek kid
[20:34] <mungbean> my wife is the geek in disguise
[20:34] <mungbean> i'm normal  ... honest
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: Suuuure :)
[20:34] <mungbean> says the guy who is irc'ing while paiting a spitfire
[20:35] <popey> hmm. i appear to not own a single whiskey glass
[20:35]  * popey puts one on his wishlist
[20:35] <mgdm> I got two as blaggage from a conference I ran
[20:35] <mgdm> (called Whisky Web, oddly enough)
[20:35] <mungbean> popey: eat a jar of nutella
[20:35] <mungbean> wash the jar
[20:35] <mungbean> perfect  size
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://www.nutella.nl/nl/producten/200g
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> I was just about to link that :)
[20:35] <mungbean> heh
[20:35] <mgdm> hehe
[20:36] <popey> !
[20:36] <mungbean> discovered by accident
[20:36]  * mgdm remembers that for the future, but will hand the Nutella for his gf to dispose of
[20:36] <mgdm> can't stand the stuff
[20:36] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nutella-Hazelnut-Spread-200-Pack/dp/B007XR7DW6/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1372192575&sr=8-5&keywords=nutella
[20:36] <mungbean> washed in the dishwasher , found a  nice glass
[20:36] <popey> hmmm
[20:36] <popey> overkill
[20:36] <popey> "(Pack of 15)"
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> pack of 15, but no "Subscription" option?
[20:37] <brobostigon> beer number one of the day and the last, wow.
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: recovering alcoholic? :)
[20:38] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: nah, just being careful, having a total break up and breakdown, caustiousness is the best.
[20:39] <mungbean> havent had beer in 2013
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: but you had a kid instead
[20:39] <mungbean> i had baileys and port
[20:39] <brobostigon> there you go, alchohol.
[20:40] <mungbean> but i like beer in very small quantities now as it makes me ill
[20:40]  * MartijnVdS points at http://www.vandestreek-bier.nl/ ;)
[20:40] <popey> when in Spain I discovered Pedro Ximénez
[20:40] <popey> because they don't drink port
[20:40] <mungbean> when you have a 100ml glass you look at it very differently
[20:40] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: maybe we could ship some, for us to try it ?
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I think it's hard to ship alcohol
[20:41] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: is it ?
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it's expensive at least
[20:41] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: oh dear. :(
[20:42] <mungbean> dental hygeinist appt tomorrow :(
[20:42] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: maybe you could have another england trip, and bring over a few barrels?
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: bottles would be easier, barrel connectors aren't really standard
[20:43] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: good point,
[20:44]  * brobostigon might have to visit the netherlands then.
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> +1
[20:44] <brobostigon> +1
[20:48] <brobostigon> how about a meetup nederlandishe beere.
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> I might know a place that has a few kinds of beer to trey
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> try*
[20:49] <brobostigon> :)
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: https://plus.google.com/105345267335170512506/about?gl=NL&hl=en-NL
[20:51] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: intersting opening times.
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it's a store, not a pub
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: that's next door ;)
[20:51] <daftykins> Laney: how rather bright!
[20:51] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ah, i see, :)
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> )o
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> O'Reilly's
[20:52] <brobostigon> ?
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> that's the pub
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> they say it's Irish
[20:52] <brobostigon> lol.
[20:54] <Azelphur> sigh, phone lines gone down :(
[20:54] <Azelphur> wish I could make dd-wrt tether to my android phone
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: openwrt could do it
[20:56] <Azelphur> interesting :)
[20:56] <Azelphur> my routers apparently supported by openwrt too now
[20:56] <daftykins> :o
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> you might need a daemon to "fix" bridging (wifi clients use packets with too few mac address fields, or something)
[20:57] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/recipes/relayclient
[20:59] <brobostigon> beer and crinkly crisps, what more can you ask for.
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> pizza
[21:00] <brobostigon> hefe-weizen*
[21:00] <brobostigon> margerhita with gpats cheese, yes, yummy,
[21:00] <daftykins> a magic cure to automatically teleport all woodworm in my house to another country would be very welcome
[21:00] <brobostigon> goats*
[21:00] <daftykins> :D
[21:00] <awilkins> Whisky and a lapful of warm sunite arker
[21:01] <brobostigon> QI bbc2, :)
[21:01] <MartijnVdS> new or old?
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> old :(
[21:02] <brobostigon> just looking.
[21:02] <popey> Azelphur: i have setup openwrt to work with a 3g dongle, much the same as tethering to a phone
[21:02] <brobostigon> oh well, might be th best thing on.
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: the Route Masters program that just finished looks interesting though
[21:02] <popey> works well
[21:02] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i missed that.
[21:03] <daftykins> Azelphur: does it go as in no dial tone at all? seems a bit major
[21:03] <Azelphur> daftykins: yup, seems like no power is being sent down the line, everything is totally dead.
[21:03] <Azelphur> popey: cool, doesn't that require wxdial or something with username/password info?
[21:03] <brobostigon> hislop, bbc4, :)
[21:03] <Azelphur> android phone tethering is plug n play
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: already seen that one too :)
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> Zzz time here
[21:04] <daftykins> nn sir o/
[21:04] <popey> Azelphur: there's a bit of config, not hard, its well documented
[21:04] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: me also, i am cluthing straws.
[21:04] <Azelphur> cool
[21:04] <brobostigon> clutching*
[21:04] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: you could view some photos ;) https://plus.google.com/photos/100189567362844794281/albums/5893513443231568561
[21:04] <Azelphur> maybe I'll go down that route sometime, for now I wouldn't mind some way of getting my server on the LAN so I can watch some movies while I wait this out :P
[21:05] <Azelphur> I got my phone plugged in on USB for internet, as soon as I plug the ethernet in, everything tries to use the ethernet for internet. :(
[21:06] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: thats a god picture of the river, with the overhanging trees.
[21:06] <brobostigon> good*
[21:06] <daftykins> Azelphur: as in for an option besides going to use the TV?
[21:06] <daftykins> (on the media front)
[21:06] <Azelphur> daftykins: haha, yea, mainly after trying to get access to my NAS
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: tnx :)
[21:07] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: :) youre welcome.
[21:07] <Azelphur> shame I only have one USB wifi adapter, or I'd just put everything on wifi for a bit, problem solved.
[21:07] <^2fC> Evenings :)
[21:08] <^2fC> Has anyone done the CCNA exam ?
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: hence my OpenWRT suggestion ;)
[21:08] <Azelphur> yea :)
[21:10] <daftykins> Azelphur: if you dropped gateway and DNS config from your wired interface, would programs stop messing up (i assumed your programs stop taking to the tethered phone when you connect network is what you were saying)
[21:10] <Azelphur> daftykins: sounds about right, how would I do that? :P
[21:11] <daftykins> hrmm, is your deskie acting as a DHCP client?
[21:11] <Azelphur> yes
[21:11] <daftykins> killing whatever network manager you have and setting the interface statically with IP + netmask alone might work
[21:12] <daftykins> sudo ifconfig eth0 <IP> netmask <mask>
[21:12] <daftykins> that should be enough to give IP based network connectivity to media whilst still preferring the tether
[21:12] <daftykins> although maybe the network manager is handling the tether intelligence, heh :(
[21:13] <Azelphur> what mask should I set, 255.255.255.0?
[21:13] <daftykins> yip for a standard class C
[21:13] <Azelphur> will give it a shot :)
[21:13] <ali12341> "as soon as I plug the ethernet in, everything tries to use the ethernet for internet" <- that's network manager for you
[21:14] <ali12341> oh wow they added mcpixel to the latest HiB
[21:14] <ali12341> what did i say the other day?
[21:14] <Azelphur> nope, that didn't work
[21:14] <Azelphur> at least, not just setting the netmask
[21:15] <ali12341> what are you trying to do?
[21:15] <daftykins> you set IP and netmask right?
[21:15] <daftykins> ali12341: he wants to gain access to his NAS at the same time as remain tethered over his phone
[21:15] <Azelphur> oops
[21:15] <ali12341> ok
[21:15] <daftykins> i thought that setting a static IP with no route and no DNS might work
[21:16] <ali12341> no, network manager will ifdown/ifup on cable connect even if it is configured static
[21:16] <ali12341> this will wipe out any default route etc
[21:16] <Azelphur> nope, did sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.10 netmask 255.255.255.0
[21:16] <ali12341> there is a way to do it
[21:16] <Azelphur> and still routes through the ethernet
[21:16] <Azelphur> ah
[21:17] <ali12341> what you must do is think like network manager designer
[21:17] <ali12341> they are designing it for people who have no idea what they are doing so pretend that's you
[21:17] <Azelphur> don't have to pretend \m/
[21:17] <ali12341> what you need to do is do connection sharing and share the mobile connection to the LAN connection
[21:18] <daftykins> does the tether stop working as soon as network manager is stopped?
[21:18] <ali12341> then it will allow you to be connected to both at once (obviously, or else it wouldn't work)
[21:18] <Azelphur> daftykins: will give that a go and see :)
[21:18] <Azelphur> ali12341: how would that work though, then I'd have no "busted internet" connection
[21:19] <ali12341> you go to the mobile connection in network manager and select "shared to other computers"
[21:19] <ali12341> that's it
[21:20] <ali12341> oh and put a switch in between your computer and the nas so that you don't get spurious cable interrupts when power cycling
[21:22] <Azelphur> daftykins: nope, kill network manager = disconnect :P
[21:22] <daftykins> boo
[21:22] <ali12341> what are you doing this for anyway?
[21:23] <daftykins> 1) his ISP service is down 2) he wants to stay online and network with his media
[21:23] <ali12341> your ISP is down?
[21:23] <ali12341> like, the whole thing?
[21:23] <daftykins> *service*
[21:23] <daftykins> key word.
[21:24] <Azelphur> ali12341: phone line is down, dead phone line, the works. :(
[21:24] <ali12341> well, do the connection sharing thing
[21:25] <Azelphur> yea I'm working on that now, just pulled my switch out of a box :)
[21:25] <ali12341> if you're not reseting the NAS you don't need the switch
[21:25] <Azelphur> only got one port on my laptop, 3 devices to connect
[21:26] <ali12341> well how do you connect them normally?
[21:26] <Azelphur> ethernet into the router
[21:26] <daftykins> in my new place i need more than my 8 port gigabit switch :(
[21:26] <ali12341> so do that?
[21:26] <Azelphur> ali12341: the router has no connection...because the phone line is down?
[21:26] <ali12341> you should not rewire anything
[21:27] <daftykins> Azelphur: silly me, i wonder if statically configuring *with* network manager would stop it
[21:27] <ali12341> it doesn't matter, ethernet switches don't work like that
[21:27] <Azelphur> you're not even making any sense lol
[21:27] <ali12341> there is no reason at all to reconfigure anything
[21:27] <daftykins> his over-enthusiasm gets the better of him :(
[21:27] <Azelphur> indeed :P
[21:27] <ali12341> when you select connection sharing ont he mobile connection it will automatically ignore the default route on eth0
[21:28] <ali12341> in fact it will ignore the dhcp completely
[21:30] <Azelphur> ali12341: where's connection sharing at?
[21:30] <Azelphur> ah, method: shared to other computers.
[21:31] <daftykins> technically that's reconfiguring ;)
[21:33] <ali12341> i hope everything on your network is configured for dhcp and avahi
[21:34] <daftykins> it's all about static
[21:35] <Azelphur> yea it is :)
[21:35] <Azelphur> I allocate the static IPs from my router
[21:35] <popey> ooh, ali12341 is the wrong colour
[21:35] <popey> oh, extra 1
[21:35] <ali12341> everything is going to change ip then
[21:35] <Azelphur> ali12341: what do I have to set in here on the two connections? I set USB to Shared to other computers
[21:35] <Azelphur> but what about the ethernet?
[21:36] <ali12341> just leave it
[21:36] <Azelphur> if I leave it, when I connect it, I loose connection with everything else as normal
[21:36] <ali12341> turn off dhcp on the router
[21:36] <Azelphur> k
[21:36] <ali12341> power cycle everything
[21:37] <daftykins> or just use the switch so you don't have to reconfigure
[21:37] <daftykins> i love how much reconfiguring ali's no-config necessary method involves :(
[21:37] <daftykins> ;)
[21:37] <ali12341> well, you don't have to change any ip addresses, or try to fight network manager
[21:38] <ali12341> and you don't have to mess about with any cables
[21:39] <daftykins> i'll give you that the use-case is rare
[21:43] <TheProphet[S]> clear
[21:43] <Azelphur> ali12341: seems like the htpc isn't getting an IP assigned by DHCP, you sure I don't need to do anything with eth1 on my PC for this?
[21:43] <ali1234> eth1?
[21:43] <Azelphur> eth0*
[21:43] <ali1234> why is it eth1?
[21:44] <ali1234> you don't need to do anything, no
[21:44] <ali1234> unless it is broken
[21:44] <daftykins> lol
[21:44] <ali1234> if it is broken, you are screwed
[21:44] <Azelphur> ali1234: well, I have USB set to shared to other computers, ethernet is currently set to the default, which is automatic (dhcp)
[21:44] <Azelphur> and my fileserver is connected to eth0 on my PC
[21:44] <Azelphur> and not getting given an IP
[21:45] <ali1234> what, directly?
[21:45] <Azelphur> ali1234: via a switch
[21:47] <ali1234> oh hang on, you're supposed to set the eth0 to shared, and the USB you just leave alone
[21:47] <Azelphur> lol
[21:47]  * Azelphur sets usb back to automatic (dhcp)
[21:51] <Azelphur> ali1234: works \o/
[21:52] <daftykins> dun-dun-duuuuun
[21:54] <TheProphet[S]> anyone uses text based irc clients anymore?
[21:55] <Azelphur> now to set my laptop up to nudge me when the normal connection comes up, and hopefully good to go :)
[21:55] <brobostigon> yes, irssi
[21:56] <TheProphet[S]> brobostigon have you heard someone is working on fixing BitchX?
[21:57] <TheProphet[S]> I'm using it now although it takes some time getting used to I guess
[21:59] <brobostigon> ohwell, he left.
[22:00] <brobostigon> no, is the answer to your question, TheProphet[S]
[22:03] <TheProphet[S]> brobostigon you kind of lost me there, I'm trying to get used to this text based client
[22:04] <TheProphet[S]> and the chat log only gets to 21:03 hours :-S
[22:07] <brobostigon> TheProphet[S]: a text based client, takes no getting used to, other than using your keyboard, and understanding terminal windows than gui ones.
[22:08] <ali1234> and memorizing all the silly commands like /4329817
[22:08] <brobostigon>  /win 1/2/3 etc.
[22:09] <TheProphet[S]> brobostigon sure but I needed to configure SASL auto connection and now the client connects to freenode automatically at startup and joins ubuntu-uk, at least it should do. Oh and identifies my nick as well
[22:09] <brobostigon> TheProphet[S]: yes, you can tell irssi to do all those inthings, or not.
[22:11] <TheProphet[S]> I tend to log on to irc just to chat with you guys, regarding ubuntu
[22:11] <TheProphet[S]> so to set it all up so that it connects straight here is quite useful
[22:13] <TheProphet[S]> now I'm working out (reading) what all these symbols mean here
[22:13] <TheProphet[S]> from lynx!
[22:14] <Azelphur> there we go, set my laptop up with a cron job to ping me if my internet comes back up
[22:19] <TheProphet[S]> so to run text based programs on ubuntu is easy if you do it using Terminal, but without X you would have to run lynx on one tty and bitchx on another or you wouldn't be able to do two things at once, split windows etc
[22:19] <hamitron> screen is nice
[22:23] <TheProphet[S]> hamitron thanks!
[22:28] <TheProphet[S]> and mutt as well! You can do a lot without X, I didn't realise
[22:28] <dogmatic69> is it correct that I can not name a folder and file the same?
[22:29] <hamitron> yeh, because everything is a file
[22:29] <dogmatic69> ah ok
[22:29] <dogmatic69> dumb torrent download
[22:29] <dogmatic69> foo.iso is in foo.iso
[22:29] <dogmatic69> cant even over write it
[22:30] <hamitron> erm, a file inside a folder of the same name should be ok
[22:31] <dogmatic69> nope, it would not allow. Had to remove the .iso on the folder
[22:32] <dogmatic69> hamitron: http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1245783098
[22:33] <dogmatic69> I guess its assuming I mean move file xyz into folder abc
[22:33] <daftykins> when does this situation ever come up :(
[22:33] <dogmatic69> obviously some check like if (is folder) {into} else {overwrite}
[22:34] <hamitron> daftykins, haha, whenever someone is looking for a problem
[22:34] <hamitron> ;)
[22:34] <dogmatic69> daftykins: when you download a torrent that is in a folder for some reason that should have just been a file
[22:34] <dogmatic69> openSuse torrent...
[22:34] <hamitron> I still can't see why a torrent would tbh
[22:35] <hamitron> unless you are wanting to move the download location
[22:35] <dogmatic69> ye, idk why its in a folder. All the others were plain .iso files
[22:35] <dogmatic69> I could understand if the torrent is 50 files or something
[22:37] <hamitron> I just wish i could give up email and web browsers
[22:37] <hamitron> :/
[22:37] <dogmatic69> hamitron: maybe just HTML?
[22:37] <hamitron> well, plain HTML webpages would be ok I suppose
[22:38] <hamitron> but heck, firefox is taking nearly 4GB memory atm
[22:38] <hamitron> plus 2 cores of my cpu
[22:39] <daftykins> nasty
[22:39] <dogmatic69> I got chrome at around 4GB also
[22:39] <daftykins> i don't understand why it sucks so hard on Linux, yet i've never had issues with it on Windows
[22:39] <hamitron> didn't update to a quad core cpu, to have firefox taking the 2 extra cores ;)
[22:40] <dogmatic69> how you see what cpu an app is using?
[22:40] <hamitron> I should maybe just run firefox remotely on a single core machine, that will stop it
[22:40] <hamitron> top
[22:41] <hamitron> probably in a gui somewhere, but dunno where
[22:42] <daftykins> used to be gnome-system-monitor
[22:42] <daftykins> so maybe it's still called the system monitor for the GUI one
[22:42] <daftykins> although amusingly the GUI one actually caused more loads by itself :(
[22:42] <dogmatic69> ye, how you see 'two of my cores'
[22:42] <dogmatic69> or is that a guesstimate
[22:43] <hamitron> guesstimate
[22:43] <dogmatic69> right
[22:43] <dogmatic69> chrome sitting at only 5% cpu. like 40 tabs open :D
[22:44] <hamitron> firefox is fine till it breaks
[22:44] <dogmatic69> I cant handle the 25 minute delay for firebug to open
[22:44] <hamitron> and chrome is fine until you open loads of tabs, and each tab takes x resources
[22:45] <hamitron> my favourite browser is IE, but no linux support
[22:45] <hamitron> :/
[22:45] <dogmatic69> wait no more http://www.modern.ie/en-US/virtualization-tools
[22:46] <hamitron> I'd open that, if firefox was working
[22:46] <hamitron> ;D
[22:46] <dogmatic69> lol
[22:46] <dogmatic69> just download links for free VM's of all IE versions
[22:47] <hamitron> gonna be moving to windows 8 soon anyway
[22:47] <hamitron> wanna test how it handles multi-display setups
[22:48] <dogmatic69> its not to bad imo, limited usage.
[22:48] <hamitron> from reading, it looks better than windows 7
[22:48] <dogmatic69> probably better than linux :/
[22:48] <hamitron> linux handles them perfect tbh
[22:48] <dogmatic69> ha
[22:48] <dogmatic69> that is funny after I have spend around 3 days trying to make it work
[22:49] <hamitron> well, I'm on AMD gpu....
[22:49] <dogmatic69> I got 3x monitors on 2x GTX 550 Ti's
[22:49] <dogmatic69> not fun
[22:49] <hamitron> :/
[22:49] <hamitron> 3 monitors works well on AMD stuff
[22:50] <dogmatic69> best I have so far is atp-get install xbunut-desktop which fixed most errors
[22:50] <dogmatic69> but now looks like I am running windows 95
[22:51] <hamitron> hmmmm
[22:51] <hamitron> I liked windows 95
[22:51] <hamitron> ;/
[22:52] <daftykins> it had a Weezer music video on the disc
[22:52] <daftykins> you could install, then rock out ;x
[22:53] <hamitron> and a free game
[22:54] <hamitron> but I always have felt win95 was the sweet spot for computing
[22:54] <hamitron> usable for most people, yet reasonable on resources
[23:03] <TheProphet[S]> hamitron try lynx and mutt
[23:04] <hamitron> lynx is not great for..... images
[23:04] <hamitron> ;)
[23:04] <hamitron> anyways, I got 8GB memory.... it should handle a web browser imo
[23:09] <ali1234> i just found a neat python script in my old files
[23:09] <ali1234> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5800057/