[00:01] Azelphur: you really don't want to do the minimum disk RAID 5 [00:03] yea, I'm just using them as normal drives for now [00:03] maybe if I get a couple more 3TB's I'll do it [00:04] ^_^ [00:04] my 6 x 1TB RAID 5 is so old school now [00:04] put that one together late 2007 [00:05] recently finished a building-to-building network cable to provide a spot for backup drives 'off-site' for a client [00:06] took his partners backup drive down there, just a simple 2 x 1TB mirrored WD My Book World Edition II setup [00:06] one of the disks died in turning it off and moving it there >_< had to replace it today [00:06] over 750 reallocated sectors! [00:07] lol [00:08] 2TB and greater disks just take far too long to sort out [00:08] roll on being able to get everything flash :D [00:08] moving 2TB of data off a drive over USB... #thingsthatareslow [00:08] USB 2, as well. [00:08] ooooouch [00:09] how come they're not both hooked up internally? [00:10] daftykins: originally, because I had a case that only had one drive bay [00:10] now, because the USB controller messes with the sector size so this is the only way to get the data off [00:27] weird! [00:27] alright i'm out nn \o [07:04] morning [07:06] hello [07:07] Morning all. [07:07] popey: You all set for tomorrow evening? [07:10] yeah, whats the plan? [07:10] or is it too early for a "plan" [07:11] Probably too early. We are trying to clarify times for a prospect meeting in town tomorrow afternoon. So not sure what time the pub will beckon ;-) [07:42] http://ben174.github.io/rikeripsum/ [07:51] morning [07:53] Installed xbuntu-desktop last night and multi monitors work fine now. idk why unity does not just work [07:54] Morning all [07:56] Good morning all! :) [07:58] * DJones waits with baited breath to see what "happy .... day today is" [07:59] JamesTait: slacker! [07:59] popey: It'll probably turn out to be happy slackware day [07:59] ☻ [07:59] dogmatic69: multi monitors works for you in xfce but not unity? Peculiar, I didn't think XFCE did multi-monitor [07:59] BigRedS: ye, pretty much out the box [08:00] DJones: Sweetmorn, Confusion 30, Year of Our Lady of Discord 3179 [08:00] ? [08:00] pick your own ☻ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_25 [08:00] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Catfish_Day [08:00] MartijnVdS: I'll go with with that one [08:01] BigRedS: not with 3+ monitors anyway [08:01] dogmatic69: I've only ever tried it with two [08:01] BigRedS: http://askubuntu.com/a/145501/12306 [08:01] DJones: also, 7 Messidor CCXXI [08:01] Gosh - I didn't know Farrah Fawcet had died. [08:01] ye, 2 works fine. [08:02] xfce is pretty cool and much easier on the ram / cpu [08:02] Hah, I don't think I ever even found the right dialogue box to do it with [08:02] TheOpenSourcerer: http://deathlist.net/ :) [08:02] dogmatic69: it is also very very 1997 :) [08:02] (which, yes, might be a plus side :) ) [08:02] BigRedS: what's wrong with 1997? :) [08:02] Bah. Trust the perl guy to come out with that ;)_ [08:02] Today is apparently "Please take my kids to work day", but I have my kids at work with me every day, so it didn't seem noteworthy. ;) [08:02] haha :) [08:02] BigRedS: only thing I am missing is the unity hud thing [08:03] Ah, I always disabled that 'cause I'm too retarded to use both that *and* terminator's alt+arrow-key control [08:03] dogmatic69: another plus! [08:03] but just installed synapse which seems to be quite good and similar [08:04] also sudo apt-get install xbuntu-desktop and you can still have unity. That is quite nice [08:04] morning all [08:04] switch between them. [08:04] dogmatic69: how else would you do it? [08:05] install xbuntu from scratch... [08:05] oh [08:05] Lots of people seem to find installing from scratch a hugely less jarring experience than I do [08:06] I had downloaded the install for a few other distros but then just thought I would give a new wm a go [08:14] yeah, I had another go through most of the *-desktops a few weeks ago. Since I really like Gnome but they seem intent on changing that [08:20] I've not tried another DE for yonks [08:21] I tried "all of them" back when the end of Gnome 2.x was first mooted [08:22] i tried GNOME Shell for a day last week [08:22] I tried KDE for two days last week [08:22] * AlanBell is using unity in Saucy and it is OK [08:23] I've got used to unity, I can't remember when i clicked an icon on the side bar though [08:23] ha, the xfce lock screen is very windows 95 [08:23] xfce is very windows 95 [08:24] even MS have realised that the 95 interface isn't right anymore. I wish people would just let go [08:24] why do you care if people want to use it? [08:25] Yeah, if we go down the route of banning theoretically bad UIs we end up with, uh, no Linux desktop [08:25] terminal is so 1980's... people still use that [08:25] mine's transparent [08:25] that's very 2008 [08:27] Mine has a background image of tiled BBC Micro Owls [08:27] That's 80s with an 80s twist [08:29] Terminal is actually the interface of the future - today [08:29] OWLS! [08:29] Windowed UIs are such a step back in terms of re-use and interoperability between programs [08:30] Actually, there's an idea that's popped into my head again for the second time this week - input and output streams for windowed apps [08:31] Or does dbus fill this niche? [08:31] Anyway, maybe add a desktop manager feature that lets you draw stream connectors between windows [08:32] that sounds like more work than I could be arsed with [08:32] I am, generally, quite lazy though [08:33] Well, for us guys familiar with the CLI shell, it would be a PITA [08:33] Doesn't apple have something like that though - some kind of CLI pipeline GUI [08:35] You could maybe have a task switcher kind of thing that showed you a processing pipeline and the windows it was made of and let you switch left and right along the stream [08:39] hey popey, if you are here, do me a favour and don't respond to my stalker, he harasses everyone I tweet, if you respond he gets worse [08:40] :-| [08:40] hah [08:40] does he have a name? [08:41] he doesn't seem like a stalker [08:41] is it ....is it.. MooDoo ? [08:41] ;) [08:41] I don't stalk people....much [08:41] also, your freelancer project seems like massive overkill [08:41] (nothing personal, random name) [08:41] https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Software-Architecture/Chromium-Firefox-branch-repost.html [08:41] mungbean: i know :D [08:44] popey, yeah he is, he has been stalking me for years, check his time-line it is a one stop attack shop against me and my work, and full of lies and quotes completely out of context [08:46] good morning everyone, [08:46] yeah, i read most of it last night [08:46] was entertaining bed time reading [08:47] Guys, printing from a linux server to a windows machine 7 or 8 with permissions on the printer set to everyone still requires authing [08:47] Anyone know a quick way round that before I get googling again.. looked a week or so ago but the issue has arisen again [08:48] Worked fine on XP machines, so I'm sure it's a permissions thing but haven't found a good answer yet [08:50] Quick outlay of our system, we have a text based system that normally lp prints to dedicated printers at branches, our customer VPN's in and wants to print at home over here USB printer, we have a fixed IP on the machine and a share on the printer which can be seen from the server but not accessed properly [08:51] he has an issue because I left NoDPI and joined Privacy International [08:51] he cost me a job about a month ago as director of a software company who were going to develop a bunch of privacy solutions I had designed, because he started harassing -all- their directors [08:52] and fabricating stuff about their company === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:55] Sounds like a giant asshat [08:55] yeah he is [08:55] I have had to put up with his crap since early 2009 [08:56] I try to ignore him but he has a habit of harassing my the people I talk to on Twitter [08:56] Send his details to Anonymous (muahahahahah) [08:56] i dont feel harrassed fwiw [08:58] and now his partner in crime has chirped up too [08:58] Are they like Starsky and Hutch? [08:58] Kenturtleglue is even worse [08:58] Or more like Cagney and Lacey? [08:58] I banned him from NoDPI in the early days back in 2008 because he was posting porn and attacking everyone because he didn't get his own way [08:59] more like tweedle-dum and tweedle-dee [09:03] Good morning peeps :) [09:04] also popey, why is the freelancer post overkill? I need a custom build of chromium and firefox and I don't have the time to familiarise myself with the codebases [09:05] why custom build at all, why not just fiddle the config so it doesn't do the things you don't want it to do [09:05] I didn't think it needed a whole rebuild just for that [09:06] because I want to make the build publicly available under the brand Private Browser [09:06] I need it to turn on a bunch of settings by default, change startpage and search providers, include a couple of addons [09:07] I want to offer both chromium core and firefox core to people so they don't have to choose between their favourite browsers [09:07] how will you keep them updated? [09:08] i wouldn't trust a "private browser" from a 3rd party [09:08] the project will be maintained once it is up and running I will be able to secure enough funding to keep it running [09:08] firefox + extensions is sufficient, and mozilla have my trust [09:09] random person on internet != trustworthy with my browser source code [09:09] that is entirely up to you mungbean but a: I am not "random person" I am a very well known privacy advocate (you just don't know me) and b: lots of people have told me they would like the solution I am trying to offer [09:09] indeed, i trust the people who manage the ubuntu archive, and the upstream developers [09:10] in the context of mozilla and chromium, you are random person on the internet [09:10] you don't have commit rights to either project [09:10] so you're the same class as everyone else [09:10] And that trust is enforced by the signatures on the package archives [09:10] I don't need commit rights, I can branch them perfectly legally [09:10] no matter what your linkedin profile says [09:10] I didn't say anything about legality [09:11] I'm talking involvement, reputation and community standing for either project (firefox and chromium) [09:11] as I said, I am not forcing this on anyone, you are welcome to not use the build, but a lot of people do want it, people's opinions are valid on all sides [09:11] Mind you that said people download all kinds of random binaries and install them, have done for years [09:12] I know a lot of people in my field who are unhappy with the Mozilla/Google relationship [09:12] the sort of people who want "private browser" might have a heightened awareness of trusted authors [09:12] Paladine: have you found any code to suggest any wrong doing? [09:13] it isn't about wrong doing [09:13] I never suggested for one second there was any wrong doing [09:13] < Paladine> I know a lot of people in my field who are unhappy with the Mozilla/Google relationship [09:13] I have a close relationship with Mozilla [09:13] not being happy with a relationship is not the same as saying there is wqrong doing [09:13] there is a suggestion of wrongdoing there [09:13] a lot of people simply do not like google [09:14] google are disliked in privacy circles because they keep breaking the law [09:14] That freelancer page doesn't exist apparently [09:14] and running havoc on people's privacy [09:14] yeah the stupid system is autodeleting them for some reason [09:52] Morning all [09:57] Morning davmor2 [09:57] Bit early for you isn't it? [09:57] bigcalm: 9 minutes [10:05] 800000 files processed [10:06] that's a suspiciously round number [10:07] Paladine: how does startpage conduct google searches on behalf of their users without getting every single one of their servers banned? [10:08] BigRedS: well, i rounded it [10:09] bottom line is it's done 50% [10:09] what are you "processing"? [10:09] out of interest [10:09] my old files [10:09] from yesterday, remember? [10:09] no ☻ [10:10] oh maybe you weren't here [10:10] i may or may not have been paying attention [10:10] when we were discussing ncdu [10:10] you know when you make a new homedirectory and rename the old one "old" and put it inside the old "old" and then after several years you have "old/old/old/old/old" [10:10] yes ☻ [10:10] well my "old" directory is now 150GB/1.5M files [10:10] hah [10:11] so i am building a database with md5sum and mimetype and keywords from libextract [10:11] to dedupe? [10:12] sure there's an app for that [10:12] ali - they have a license from Google [10:13] popey: to dedupe and also search it [10:13] Paladine: i see thanks [10:14] if a service section in nagios object config file doesn't have a contact stated, (but is stated for services elsewhere in teh file), who does it used for notifications? [10:14] does the host have a contact? [10:15] actually, this probably varies by version and shamefully I'm still on 1.x [10:15] no [10:15] ah, inherits "linux-server" template...will check [10:16] which doesn't seem to exist [10:16] mungbean: linux-server is a default 1 [10:16] 1= one :) [10:16] BigRedS: 1 ?!??!!?!? [10:17] register 0 ; DONT REGISTER THIS DEFINITION - ITS NOT A REAL HOST, JUST A TEMPLATE! [10:18] diplo: yeah [10:18] :) [10:19] mungbean: You can still use them, or you can copy and call it something else if you prefer, I used the default ones quite a bit [10:19] diplo: it's a really scary thing to migrate [10:19] i have 2 groups of servers [10:19] group1 -> email admins [10:19] group2 -> email otheradmins [10:21] BigRedS: I bet it is, I started on 3 I think so never had the joy [10:22] So in your template you create linux-servers1 and 2 and in the template define the contact you want, then in the hosts add them to the particular group [10:22] yes, [10:22] thats what i just did :D [10:22] $previousadmin had not done it [10:23] instead every service had a contact_groups line [10:23] except only half of them did actually [10:25] one of these days i'm gonna set up some proper performance monitoring [10:33] silly question; if I can't traceroute an IP, does that mean I don't have a route to it? [10:33] traceroute 212.187.206.45 [10:35] Not really, the end point might have ping blocked. How far can you get? [10:35] * bigcalm hugs mtr [10:35] * popey also hugs mtr [10:35] I'm not seeing any packet loss === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [10:36] Looking at mtr, I have a route to that IP address. But it isn't responding to pings [10:39] it fails at the last hop for me [10:40] tcptraceroute [10:40] regular traceroute is udp [10:42] the endpoint probably has ping blocked [10:43] yeah, traceroute traffic is always the first dropped when a switch is busy, too [10:44] thanks guys for your help [10:54] i *hate* that when you click refresh on a nagios page, it kicks you back to the home screen [10:58] i hate nagios [11:00] I like opsview [11:07] i like big butts and i cannot lie [11:10] I like munin. [11:11] Fruit flies like a banana [11:12] mungbean: You a chrome/chromium user ? [11:12] If so you can right click and Reload Frame [12:00] firefox does same [12:00] but I always remember once I've already f5ed [12:02] Hmm, didn't see it last time. [12:27] ah, thinking about it, it might not... [12:28] I use a Firefox plugin which links us straight to that frame [13:09] aloha [13:09] Good Morning! [13:11] hmmm generic_service seems to overwrite contact settings for the host template [13:16] czajkowski: prodington prod with a prodity prod [13:21] hello davmor2 [13:21] MooDoo: 'ow am ya mukka [13:23] :d [13:23] MooDoo: that bad [13:24] it's not too bad [13:28] * czajkowski tickles davmor2 [13:29] * davmor2 hugs czajkowski as he knows how much it annoys her [13:30] davmor2: you know czajkowski prefers being stabbed. [13:41] MooDoo: you'll be on #naughtystep faster than your head can spin [13:47] [ you are now leaving #ubuntu-uk and being forcibly redirected to #naughtystep due to your being naughty] - like this? ;) [14:03] lo [14:03] lol [14:03] i'm in/on #naughtystep [14:09] any recommendations on how i can examine if a mutlithreaded process is working efficiently? [14:09] top and pressing 1 is about as far as i've got [14:09] mungbean, you'd need a decent profiler for that [14:09] strace might help, mungbean - you can have it follow separate processes, iirc [14:09] its a large application [14:10] user is complaining its running slower than the old server [14:10] frequently seeing lots of cores getting used though [14:10] there's also 'sar' (system activity reporter) although that's more about the general server health - install 'sysstat' for that [14:12] another option is to install 'munin' and look at the graphs, note that it has two parts, munin-node (for clients) and munin (for the server), or you can install both on a single machine and have it report to itself\ [14:13] thanks, i may consider that [14:13] its on a server thought so hmmmm [14:14] I have munin on my server as well as sysstat reporting the kernel's stats [14:14] htop can be a little more enlightening than top [14:14] are you watching my screen :P [14:14] just installed it [14:14] it certainly is nicer [14:14] had to use EPEL.. [14:15] last time I moved an app between servers it turned out that rverse DNS wasn't set up right and that made a bunch of network calls take ages [14:16] i'm using stata MP [14:17] http://edinburgh.piku.org.uk/munin/ for an example of munin [14:18] I should probably connect my other hard drives back up again. [14:31] * bigcalm kicks Spotify [14:32] Is it working for anybody? [14:32] john lewis gave me a delivery window of 2pm-9pm [14:32] grr [14:32] Migght have to try munin myself [14:32] spotify> yes, using it via the web player atm [14:32] the client has been borked on saucy for me since the start [14:33] The client is fine for me, I meant the service with the client [14:33] bigcalm: it's working for me [14:34] Boo [14:34] Nope, not working for me. Says I'm offline [14:35] Time for some sound cloud [14:36] Pleasing that my sound cloud set downloader still works. PHP 'n all. I shall go to hell I know [15:00] * dwatkins notes that people are still looking at his munin installation [15:30] my desktop PC feels slower when i can hear the disk [15:38] Do you remember the times of Windows 3.11 when the disks were really noisy [15:38] This is one reason you'd associate disk noise with sloth [15:38] Those old systems use to page to disk all the time [15:39] I associate disk noise with slow machiens because disks are slow :-) [15:39] * mgdm pats his SSDs [15:39] but my machine is actually running slothfully [15:39] few seconds to scroll etc [15:39] scroll...chug... [15:40] about:memory always shags ff [15:41] Probably has to page all that RAM back off the disk to examine it [15:41] 30+ tabs === G4MBY is now known as PaulW2U === JamesTai1 is now known as JamesTait === daftykin1 is now known as daftykins === deegee__ is now known as drussell [17:57] bah [17:57] The delivery still hasn't come [17:57] trapped [17:58] :( [17:58] been lurking at home waiting for something? [17:58] well I work from home but I'd probably have gone out at 6 otherwise [17:59] the window is up to 9pm ... [18:02] leave a note on the door "Deliver to popey" [18:05] i'm awaiting LCD attempt 2 for a friends sisters laptop that got sat on / similar [18:05] the first one had all the funky colours, so the ebay seller believes a 'firmware updated' model will work [18:05] i'm not holding my breath === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away === GentileBen is now known as GENTILEBEN [19:03] coming in 30 minutes ... [19:08] D: [19:08] is it something exciting? [19:09] a sexy pink armchair [19:10] serious? [19:11] very [19:11] http://www.johnlewis.com/john-lewis-sullivan-chair-plain-pink/p551464 [19:13] hi all [19:15] has anyone else got the cryptswap problem? It is not found at startup and it asks if I want to mount it manually [19:15] i have had that in the past, yes [19:16] I still have it on Saucy though [19:17] I'm reporting it on launchpad Bug #798086 as it seems it has not been solved completely yet [19:17] Launchpad bug 798086 in linux (Ubuntu) "Occasional "The disk drive for /dev/mapper/cryptswap1 is not ready yet or not present" on system startup" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/798086 [19:19] I always forget how to use grep though [19:20] It doesn't give errors in dmesg, is that normal? [19:21] Laney: interesting [19:28] exit [19:34] re all [19:51] hmmm https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightread/+bug/1155251/comments/7 [19:51] Ubuntu bug 1155251 in Lightread "Google Reader close" [Critical,Confirmed] [20:04] daftykins: http://ubuntuone.com/3lIEEKDe2CsYtFpjw374RL [20:04] ohhhhhhh yeahhhhhhh [20:19] it does seems somewhat obvious, that some of the children they are showing on "child genius" on itv1, are definatly aspies. === G4MBY is now known as PaulW2U [20:19] Laney: that has almost exactly 100% too many cushions [20:20] No, wait. Exactly 100% [20:20] no [20:20] you are incorrect [20:20] Well that's never happened before. [20:21] s'alright, you'll recover [20:21] (but the internet never forgets) [20:21] ch4, sorry. [20:22] I asked the internet, and it said popey's never been wrong before [20:22] lol [20:22] quick, add it to his wikipedia page [20:22] wait, what, I have a wikipedia page? [20:23] nobodies perfect [20:24] Nobody's perfect [20:24] thats it. [20:24] My body's perfect [20:24] * Laney schwing [20:27] thats filmed outside my room at work [20:27] im probably on it , twatting them as i run for the train [20:27] is it whiskey O'clock? [20:29] "you can memorise a whole pack of cards. congrats, your best friend will live inside minecraft [20:29] and you might become a brilliant programmer [20:30] and live in a basement [20:31] jcm was a child prodigy if I recall. and despite being a bit odd, he's got a pretty normal social life ☻ [20:31] (I am sure he doesn't mind being described as a bit odd) [20:31] mungbean: memorising a pack of cards is useful.. read cryptonomicon ;) [20:31] popey: it's whisky o'clock here [20:32] WIN! [20:32] MartijnVdS: rom what I remember of that book memorising the deck wasn't a requirement [20:32] father in law gave me a bottle at the weekend [20:32] my son has memorised the whole gruffalo book and others word for word, its worrying but hopefully normal [20:33] mgdm: it helps though [20:33] mungbean: geek parents -> geek kid [20:34] my wife is the geek in disguise [20:34] i'm normal ... honest [20:34] mungbean: Suuuure :) [20:34] says the guy who is irc'ing while paiting a spitfire [20:35] hmm. i appear to not own a single whiskey glass [20:35] * popey puts one on his wishlist [20:35] I got two as blaggage from a conference I ran [20:35] (called Whisky Web, oddly enough) [20:35] popey: eat a jar of nutella [20:35] wash the jar [20:35] perfect size [20:35] popey: http://www.nutella.nl/nl/producten/200g [20:35] I was just about to link that :) [20:35] heh [20:35] hehe [20:36] ! [20:36] discovered by accident [20:36] * mgdm remembers that for the future, but will hand the Nutella for his gf to dispose of [20:36] can't stand the stuff [20:36] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nutella-Hazelnut-Spread-200-Pack/dp/B007XR7DW6/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1372192575&sr=8-5&keywords=nutella [20:36] washed in the dishwasher , found a nice glass [20:36] hmmm [20:36] overkill [20:36] "(Pack of 15)" [20:36] pack of 15, but no "Subscription" option? [20:37] beer number one of the day and the last, wow. [20:37] brobostigon: recovering alcoholic? :) [20:38] MartijnVdS: nah, just being careful, having a total break up and breakdown, caustiousness is the best. [20:39] havent had beer in 2013 [20:39] mungbean: but you had a kid instead [20:39] i had baileys and port [20:39]