[06:03] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday and all others
[06:12] <theblazehen_> hi Kilos 
[06:12] <trender> morning gents
[06:12] <Kilos> hehe theblazehen 2 of you here today
[06:12] <Kilos> hi trender
[06:12] <trender> can i play 2 ?
[06:13] <Kilos> what?
[06:13] <trender> i brought my crayons and coloring in books
[06:13] <Kilos> grrr
[06:17] <theblazehen_> Kilos: My home computer is still connected :p
[06:18] <Kilos> aha
[06:27] <Kilos> hi drussell 
[06:38] <magespawn> good morning 
[06:38] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[06:41] <magespawn> how the binneland this morning Kilos?
[06:42] <Kilos> cold magespawn 
[06:43] <magespawn> ahh well that is to be expected
[06:44] <Kilos> ya but dont mean one must enjoy it
[06:44] <Kilos> bbrrrrr
[06:45] <magespawn> i always say that when you are stuck with something you can do nothing about you might as well enjoy it
[06:46] <Kilos> hehe
[06:46] <Kilos> ya go shivering down the passage to make tea singing
[06:47] <maiatoday> morning Kilos
[06:50] <drussell> howdy-doody Kilos!
[06:51] <magespawn> indeed 
[06:51] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[06:54] <Vince-0> hi
[06:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning peoples
[06:58] <theblazehen-mobi> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:58] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy you missed last nights meet
[06:58] <Kilos> naughty
[06:59] <Kilos> hi Space 
[06:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> um
[06:59] <theblazehen-mobi> hi Space 
[06:59] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> i've never not missed one :-)
[06:59] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[06:59] <Kilos> oh
[06:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> 4 year old and 6 month old at home = no IRC 99% of the time
[07:00] <Kilos> ya life happens
[07:00] <Kilos> ask magespawn 
[07:01] <theblazehen-mobi> What happened to magespawn ?
[07:02] <Kilos> hes family is nearing school going age
[07:02] <theblazehen-mobi> ok
[07:03] <Kilos> and schools seem to be big holes one has to fill with money nowadays
[07:03] <theblazehen-mobi> yea
[07:06] <magespawn> kids are 7 and 11 years now, high school in 2016 for the eldest 
[07:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> primary school is around 7k/year
[07:07] <theblazehen-mobi> ok. My brother is 8 ATM.
[07:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> not too terrible
[07:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> playschool is R15.5k already :-/
[07:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> although that goes down when she goes to primary school
[07:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> but then books, uniforms, bla bla
[07:08] <theblazehen-mobi> Per year? or month?
[07:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> year
[07:08] <theblazehen-mobi> ok
[07:08] <theblazehen-mobi> Still a lot
[07:08] <Squirm> morning
[07:09] <theblazehen-mobi> Hi Squirm 
[07:09] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[07:09] <magespawn> mine is a little less, about R1300.00 for both, so R600 per month each
[07:10] <theblazehen-mobi> Ok, quite a bit
[07:11] <magespawn> if they were in high school this year it would start at R20 000 per year each without boarding, double that or more with boarding
[07:12] <magespawn> and those are the cheep schools
[07:12] <Squirm> only just starting to realise how expensive a school actually is
[07:12] <Squirm> :/
[07:13] <Squirm> well, how much money the parents have to earn atleast
[07:13] <theblazehen-mobi> Yea
[07:13] <Squirm> cause I think we're around R100k at the mo
[07:14] <Squirm> Micaelhouse and Hilton are up at R200k
[07:14] <magespawn> R189 000 but that is all inclusive.
[07:15] <theblazehen-mobi> Wow...
[07:17] <tonberryE352> university tuition is less than that...
[07:18] <Vince-0> just get 'em started on LPI1 instead
[07:20] <magespawn> if we take a middle of the road approach, the school we like is DHS, which is about R64 000 with boarding per year, then our household needs to be R120 000 to R 150 000 or more to be comfortable
[07:22] <Squirm> magespawn: obviously I'd say Treverton cause I've come to school here and enjoyed it - but how about St. Charles in pmb
[07:22] <Squirm> don't know what their fees are line though
[07:23] <magespawn> i just had a quickish look around on the net, not all the schools have a site and not all have their fees online
[07:24] <Kilos> is maritzburg college more than DHS magespawn ?
[07:24] <Kilos> ian went to both
[07:25] <magespawn> i think it was if i recall correctly
[07:27] <barrydk> Goeie more almal
[07:27] <Kilos> hi barrydk \
[07:28] <barrydk> Hows things Kilos 
[07:28] <Kilos> just cold but good ty and you barrydk ?
[07:29] <barrydk> Also good but no winter yet
[07:36] <Kilos> wow
[07:37] <Kilos> you just down the road man
[07:38] <Kilos> hi HawkiesZA 
[07:38] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[07:38] <HawkiesZA> Môre oom Kilos
[07:39] <superfly> morning Kilos
[08:38] <Squirm> mmm
[08:38] <Squirm> python for android
[08:38] <Squirm> :P
[08:39] <Squirm> I was messing around.
[08:39] <Squirm> thought to myself, what the hell. Uploaded my multithreaded irc bot onto my cell and it ran perfectly
[08:42] <theblazehen-mobi> Squirm what's it do? 
[08:43] <superfly> Squirm: Are you using that QPython (or whatever it's called)
[08:43] <Squirm> theblazehen: I just made kind of a... template which I ran
[08:43] <Squirm> the framework for a bit
[08:43] <theblazehen-mobi> Ok
[08:44] <Squirm> superfly: I installed that at first
[08:44] <Squirm> but then I installed python-for-android
[08:44] <Squirm> and sl4a
[08:44] <superfly> hrm
[08:44] <superfly> I looked at that, but the QPython looked like it would work better
[08:47] <Squirm> sl4a makes it really easy to run scripts
[08:48] <magespawn> bbl 
[08:48] <Squirm> two taps and your script will run
[08:48] <Squirm> 3
[08:49] <Squirm> and sl4a makes it possible to use the android api
[08:49] <Squirm> so popup boxes, sounds, etc
[08:49] <Squirm> you can send smss
[08:49] <Squirm> https://code.google.com/p/android-scripting/wiki/ApiReference
[08:50] <theblazehen-mobi> Nice 
[08:51] <theblazehen-mobi> Can you make full apps? 
[09:00] <HawkiesZA> With sl4a? Not last time I checked
[09:01] <HawkiesZA> The day I can do Android dev in Python will be a joyous day indeed
[09:02] <theblazehen-mobi> Yep.  Hope it's soon
[09:03] <HawkiesZA> I wonder if you can wangle something in Jython...
[09:03] <superfly> I agree with HawkiesZA.
[09:03] <superfly> Actually, ANY dev should be done in Python.
[09:04] <theblazehen-mobi> Personally I'm hoping for php 
[09:04]  * theblazehen-mobi ducks
[09:04] <HawkiesZA> Leave now
[09:04] <superfly> theblazehen-mobi: you're evidentally a poor sadistic masochistic demented individual. PHP? Really?
[09:05] <HawkiesZA> This is a holy place
[09:05] <theblazehen-mobi> I find it easy to use... 
[09:05] <tonberryE352> burn the witch!
[09:05] <HawkiesZA> Your dark rituals are not welcome here
[09:05] <HawkiesZA> :P
[09:06] <superfly> theblazehen-mobi: you evidently haven't used Python. PHP easy to use? pah!
[09:06] <theblazehen-mobi> Superfly: I tried a little.  Want to spend more time on it
[09:06] <superfly> Funnily enough, I have this link open in my browser at the moment... http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/
[09:07] <theblazehen-mobi> Yeah... 
[09:07] <superfly> theblazehen-mobi: http://swaroopch.com/notes/python/
[09:07] <theblazehen-mobi> I read that beforw
[09:07] <HawkiesZA> Ok, I think we need to stop the language bashing now :P
[09:07] <theblazehen-mobi> The php
[09:07] <tonberryE352> php seems easy to use at first until you notice that there is no common sense in its design at all
[09:07] <theblazehen-mobi> Thanks will try thay
[09:07] <tonberryE352> and you end up wasting all your time on fixing php gotchas
[09:07] <theblazehen-mobi> Ok
[09:08] <HawkiesZA> Let's talk about JavaScript instead
[09:08] <HawkiesZA> :P
[09:08] <theblazehen-mobi> Ok... 
[09:09] <superfly> HawkiesZA: bwahahaha
[09:09] <superfly> www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXEgk1Hdze0
[09:09] <tonberryE352> you just beat met to it...
[09:09] <tonberryE352> me*
[09:09] <HawkiesZA> Nerd comedy
[09:09] <HawkiesZA> Gold, I say
[09:33] <HawkiesZA> I think we chased kilos away
[09:46] <theblazehen-mobi> Lol yea
[09:47] <Squirm> btw
[09:47] <Squirm> you could do a lot of dev on your phone in python
[09:47] <Squirm> but not much regarding Android and its GUI
[09:48] <Squirm> I meant to paste this
[09:48] <Squirm> https://code.google.com/p/android-scripting/wiki/ApiReference
[09:48] <Squirm> sl4a calls
[09:50] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:51] <Squirm> ...mmh
[09:51] <Kilos> external killed my modem connection
[09:53] <Kilos> and reconnecting modem killed a data recovery
[09:53] <Kilos> grrr
[10:01] <Squirm> lol
[10:01] <Squirm> lets all play dominoes
[10:04] <Squirm> superfly: Su(Guest25831) is running from my cell
[10:05] <Squirm> .test
[10:05] <Guest25831> 1372154707.51
[10:05] <Squirm> .test2 Hello
[10:05] <Guest25831> Hello
[10:05] <Squirm> it has the modules socket, threading, sys, string and time loaded
[10:06] <Squirm> .test
[10:06] <Guest25831> 1372154767.43
[10:06]  * Squirm locks his phone
[10:06] <Squirm> .test2 Test with phone locked
[10:06] <Guest25831> Test with phone locked
[10:06] <Squirm> cool
[10:10] <Squirm> .test
[10:10] <Guest25831> 1372155006.92
[11:24] <magespawn> Squirm: what are you doing there exactly?
[11:24] <Kilos> hehe 
[11:43] <magespawn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfxTc7_1UVE one for charl for our discussion yesterday
[12:05] <Squirm> magespawn: running a python script from my cellphone
[12:05] <magespawn> cool beans
[12:08] <magespawn> this one is more applicable to pc tech http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETTZHsrifT0
[12:57] <mazal> Bye everyone
[13:01] <theblazehen_> Just tried python on codecademy.
[13:01] <theblazehen_> I now have a new favourite
[13:03] <Vince-0> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WOypodY0qVY/UckNbrjZjUI/AAAAAAAANk4/RF3hEY-FpVw/s320/eISPiDG.jpg
[13:04] <Vince-0> I figured how to turn on my microwave using python
[13:04] <Vince-0> (see pic)
[13:13] <theblazehen_> Vince-0: lol
[13:15] <superfly> Ah yes, I posted that on FB the other day
[13:23] <Vince-0> ag nee! I saw it on G+ stupid memes
[14:09] <Kilos> hi smile4ever 
[14:23] <magespawn> later all home time
[14:24] <Kilos> cheers magespawn 
[14:24] <Kilos> hi JamesN7 
[14:24] <JamesN7> Hey Kilos :) 
[14:24] <Kilos> if you aint been here before, welcome to ubuntu-za
[14:25] <JamesN7> I have, a while ago :) But thank you :D
[14:25] <Kilos> shout if you need help
[14:29] <Kilos> wb Spaceghost 
[14:30] <Spaceghost> Thank you Kilos.
[14:30] <Spaceghost> Is this channel go to offtopic sometimes?
[14:30] <Spaceghost> Despite it is being logged :O.
[14:30] <Kilos> often ya
[14:30] <Kilos> depending in what direction we sometimes get magged
[14:31] <Kilos> guys often tell about new things or ask for help with a non related thing why? Spaceghost 
[14:32] <Spaceghost> Not sure, I enjoy the offtopic where offtopic is not the main thing of a channel :P.
[14:33] <Kilos> haha 
[14:33] <Kilos> only real offtopis subject here is windows help but that slips through some times too
[14:33] <Kilos> we are all friends so help where we can
[14:34] <Spaceghost> Ah, nice
[14:34] <Spaceghost> Anyway there is even a Windows channel here in Freende.
[14:34] <Kilos> i dunno
[14:35] <Kilos> wb Squirm 
[14:36] <Kilos> also one cant condemn a linux okey that has win pcs to fix at work for asking here first anyway
[15:52] <inetpro> good morning Kilos
[15:52] <inetpro> and hi everyone else
[15:52] <Kilos> hehe are you ok inetpro 
[15:53] <Kilos> i thought maybe you went away
[15:53] <inetpro> Kilos: I am away, but I am here 
[15:53] <inetpro> that is most important
[15:53] <Kilos> if you dont go anywhere that new tyre will last a long time
[15:54] <Kilos> you on lappy or mobile?
[15:54]  * inetpro plustwo and Mzolisto will be down in a few secs
[15:55] <Kilos> again?
[15:55] <Kilos> well ty for letting us know
[15:55] <Kilos> other peeps going down with net splits
[15:56] <inetpro> switching back from what we did last time
[15:56] <Kilos> oh my
[15:57]  * inetpro working from a windy Qwantani 
[15:57] <Kilos> whats that??
[15:59] <Kilos> Maaz, define Qwantani 
[16:00] <Maaz> Kilos: I don't have a definition for that. Is it even a word?
[16:00] <Kilos> i dunno either
[16:01] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:01] <Kilos> oh safari lodges?
[16:01] <inetpro> Kilos: http://www.qwantani.co.za/
[16:02] <Kilos> ya ty QA gave same link and more
[16:28] <Kilos> inetpro, plustwo wb
[16:28] <inetpro> Kilos: thanks
[16:29] <inetpro> not quite done yet, but almost there
[16:29] <Kilos> you got time to fix that top topic bar or whatever its called?
[16:29] <Kilos> ok sorry
[16:33] <inetpro> Kilos: oops, when is the next meeting?
[16:34] <Kilos> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-06-24-17-34-16.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-06-24-17-34-16.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-06-24-17-34-16.html
[16:34] <Kilos> 15th inetpro 
[16:35] <inetpro> wow and it's even registered already
[16:35] <Kilos> what?
[16:35] <inetpro> Kilos: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/615/detail/
[16:36] <Kilos> maybe the monkey did some work
[16:43] <Kilos> wg again inetpro 
[16:43] <Kilos> wb too
[16:44] <inetpro> Kilos: dankie oom
[16:44] <Kilos> gracias amigo
[16:45] <Kilos> lekker to fix things from afar hey
[16:49] <Kilos> inetpro, at anoher time can we discuss putting the minutes link in the topis bar too?
[16:49] <Kilos> i cant member if we have discussed it before
[16:53] <inetpro> Kilos: another time please
[16:54] <Kilos> yessir i said so
[16:54] <Kilos> enjoy your stay there
[16:56] <inetpro> Kilos: got a bit of a headache now, but did enjoy a few relaxing days
[16:56] <inetpro> we did some interesting travelling today
[16:56] <Kilos> good and bad
[16:57] <Kilos> headaches suck
[16:57] <Kilos> just enjoy the free time you have and rest enough
[16:57] <inetpro> went to Clarens and Betlehem
[16:57] <Kilos> whew
[16:58] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[16:58] <inetpro> on our way to Bethlehem we stopped over at the Lesotho Highlands Water Project Outlet into the Ash river
[16:58] <inetpro> amazing project
[16:58] <nlsthzn> Alo ZA land
[16:59] <Kilos> from that big dam between the mountains?
[16:59] <inetpro> Kilos: yep
[16:59] <inetpro> something like more than a 100km through a tunnel
[16:59] <Kilos> been past there many years ago
[16:59] <Kilos> wow
[17:02] <inetpro> golden gate was also pretty amazing for the kids
[17:02] <Kilos> good
[17:02] <Kilos> very cold up there though
[17:03] <inetpro> Kilos: actually not so cold at all
[17:03] <inetpro> just windy
[17:03] <Kilos> whew
[17:03] <inetpro> kids would have loved to see a bit of snow
[17:03] <inetpro> no signs of it
[17:03] <Kilos> you didnt see any snow?
[17:03] <Kilos> shame
[17:04] <Kilos> horrible wet white stuff
[17:07] <nlsthzn> if I want to play in the snow I have to go to the mall :/
[17:08]  * inetpro may be back later... or tomorrow
[17:08] <Kilos> go safe
[17:10] <Kilos> Spaceghost, see?
[17:12] <Kilos> we a family
[17:15] <nlsthzn> <3
[17:15] <Kilos> hehe
[17:35] <Symmetria> hahahahahha
[17:35] <Symmetria> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2013/003394.html
[17:35] <Symmetria> the reaction to that is going to be *priceless*
[17:45] <Kilos> neelsie send heat man
[17:48] <nlsthzn> k, how much?
[17:49] <Kilos> lots and lots
[17:49] <nlsthzn> Symmetria:the link doesn't make sense without some context :p
[17:49] <Kilos> wanna melt a bit even
[17:51] <Symmetria> nlsthzn lol, the fact that I responded in fluent swahili
[17:51] <Symmetria> to some guy 
[17:51] <Symmetria> on an international mailing list
[17:51] <Symmetria> to overcome a language barrier
[17:52] <Symmetria> is going to create so many questions and its gonna be a hilarious laugh 
[18:02] <nlsthzn> ah ok :)
[18:45] <Cantide> watching this now -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiACHBktsA0
[18:45] <Cantide> :)
[18:51] <Kilos> night all . sleep tight
[18:51] <Kilos> enjoy the night
[19:46] <Squirm> evening
[19:54] <nlsthzn> sup