[03:15] <holstein> !vpn
[10:07] <cub> Anyone know if there is an archive of all the previous discussions on the different ubuntu mailing lists?
[10:08] <smartboyhw> cub, yes ofc
[10:08] <smartboyhw> Go to lists.ubuntu.com
[10:08] <smartboyhw> Select the mailing list you want.
[10:08] <smartboyhw> There should be an archive section.
[10:09] <cub> aaah there was a link on the page. I was looking through it several times before but just didn't see it
[10:13] <cub> Thanks, I was curious about Paladines email to the ubuntu-devel-discuss list yesterday about the search engine
[10:19] <zequence> One result of that discussion was: ubuntu-defaults-builder
[10:20] <zequence> I had never heard of it, but it sounds like something we should take a look at
[10:21] <smartboyhw> zequence, I did heard of it:P
[10:21] <smartboyhw> It is rather used to make your own flavour.
[10:21]  * smartboyhw wonders should we use it to make Kubuntu Studio or Lubuntu Studio or GNOME Studio or:P
[10:22] <smartboyhw> Make it unofficial of course:)
[10:22]  * smartboyhw is busy making slides for his classroom session next Monday.
[10:22] <smartboyhw> DarkEra, how are the sessions yesterday?
[10:23] <DarkEra> dunno
[10:23] <cub> zequence, what's ubuntu-defaults-builder? a new mail list?
[10:24] <smartboyhw> cub, nah, some application used to build a -default-settings package.
[10:24] <cub> aha
[10:24] <smartboyhw> And you can make your own distro!
[10:24] <cub> finally, a cub distro!
[10:24] <smartboyhw> cub, ....:P
[10:52] <astraljava> So that's what Apple is going to use when they run out of large feline names.
[10:53] <smartboyhw> astraljava, ?
[10:56] <astraljava> Add a 'cub' prefix.
[10:56] <astraljava> ...and voilá, all previously used names available again.
[10:57] <smartboyhw> .............
[11:10] <cub> hehe
[13:31] <micahg> OvenWerks: I've got a bunch of lintian warnings on the binary package, care to look at them?
[13:32] <micahg> OvenWerks: at your leisure: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5798537/
[13:32] <micahg> OvenWerks: oh, ignore the first one, that's lintian on precise not being happy (bad-distribution-in-changes-file)
[13:33] <micahg> OvenWerks: also, ignore this one: ubuntustudio-menu: unknown-field-in-control original-maintainer
[14:05] <OvenWerks> micahg: my version of lintian obviously doesn't check near as much. Thank you, I have copied your comments and the paste so I can look at it later.
[19:08] <cub> zequence, are you around?
[19:13] <zequence> cub: yep
[19:13] <cub> you usually are. :D
[19:13] <zequence> I try to be available to my fellow earthlings
[19:14] <cub> about workflows (again) * for each use case, include only one application (there may be reasons
[19:14] <cub>  to make exceptions in some cases)
[19:14] <cub>  * don't include applications of your personal preference, when given a
[19:14] <cub>  choice. Choose the one that is most popular (if most users use A, they
[19:14] <cub>  won't be used to the B interface)
[19:14] <cub> How do you document the use case? I
[19:14] <cub> haven't used launchpad much before
[19:17] <zequence> cub: I would start a wiki page for that
[19:17] <cub> do we have any examples?
[19:18] <zequence> let sort it a bit
[19:19] <cub> I was thinking if it was done in earlier releases I could check them out
[19:21] <zequence> no one has really done this before. the closes anybody came was listing applications
[19:21] <zequence> the idea of focusing on workflows per se did not always exist either
[19:23] <cub> ok, an open field then. I start out and we'll change as we go along
[19:23] <cub> when you wrote wiki, you meant wiki.ubuntu.com?
[19:23] <zequence> cub: this is the workflow area in the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Workflows
[19:24] <zequence> you can find "audio" in the sidebar https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Workflows/Audio
[19:24] <zequence> there's nothing there
[19:24] <zequence> I would suggest to start by making a list of all existing audio applications for Ubuntu
[19:25] <zequence> this should be done using apt magic
[19:25] <cub> ok
[19:26] <zequence> maybe sort applications by their category
[19:26] <cub> I was thinking I might start out with  * desktop (generic tools for standard desktop use) as it is (sadly) what I use mostly nowadays
[19:26] <zequence> synaptic might be helpful in that
[19:26] <zequence> as for use cases..
[19:27] <zequence> I think going into too much detail might get confusing
[19:27] <zequence> but there are a few clear ones
[19:27] <zequence> like, multi track recording, mixing, mastering
[19:27] <zequence> audio file editing
[19:27] <zequence> dj software
[19:27] <zequence> smaller fields like audio programming
[19:28] <zequence> (..like supercollider and puredata)
[19:28] <zequence> live processing (using effect, - jackrack, calf, etc)
[19:29] <zequence> puredata and supercollider may both fall into that category as well
[19:29] <zequence> so, if you can A. list applications, B. list use cases
[19:30] <zequence> the last bit would be to sort applications after use cases. Many apps fill many use cases
[19:30] <cub> yeah
[19:30] <cub> there was quite some information under audio after all
[19:30] <cub> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/AudioWorkflowExamples
[19:30] <zequence> yeah, that..
[19:31] <zequence> I just put that there
[19:31] <zequence> a few people described some workdlows
[19:31] <holstein> !guidelines
[19:31] <holstein> ^^ unrelated.. getting it for another channel..
[19:32]  * cub thought he was about to be told off..
[19:32] <holstein> hehe
[19:32] <zequence> cub: you may use anything under workflows as inspiration if you like, but I feel there's really not much to use for what we are talking about right now
[19:33] <cub> sure I'll take a look at what's there and start out with listing apps
[19:33] <zequence> there was talk about creating workflow applications, and such might already exist in the form of session managers
[19:33] <zequence> and that's really where you'd want to go into detail with workflows
[19:34] <zequence> so that you could set up templates for different stuff, like mixing or mastering
[19:34] <cub> ah that would be cool
[19:34] <cub> I have been thinking about that for my own use
[19:34] <zequence> I guess it would be possible to do right now, using ladish, but only to some degree (haven't tried it for a while now)
[19:36] <cub> I was looking at using xmonad and what one could do with their configs
[19:36] <cub> which is not a session manager but might work to do what I had in mind
[19:38] <cub> anyway, thanks for the chat. I'm going to set up my test machine now.
[21:11] <OvenWerks> micahg: I am not sure what to do about lintian's idea that a desktop file shoulonly call a binary that a package contains. xdg-open (from the package in depends) is the standard tool for telling the system what application to use to open various urls. It therefore makes sense that this binary might be part of another package. How do I make lintian accept that?
[21:12] <OvenWerks> I am not calling that program for itself, but to get the system to open a url.
[21:16] <micahg> yeah, that's weird
[21:17] <micahg> OvenWerks: I'd suggest adding an override for that warning about xdg-open
[21:17] <OvenWerks> How would I do that?
[21:19] <OvenWerks> micahg: also is xfce proper or Xfce? Same with KDE Kde kde...
[21:19] <micahg> Xfce and KDE AIUI
[21:20] <OvenWerks> ok
[21:20] <micahg> OvenWerks: keep in mind the severity/certainty, lintian is a tool, but can be wrong at times
[21:21] <micahg> if it were perfect, we'd probably just do it at the archive level
[21:21] <OvenWerks> :)
[22:16] <OvenWerks> micahg: it appears that instead of xdg-open URL, I should be setting Type to Link and supplying a URL. I'll have to see what it does with an IRC:// type url.
[22:17] <OvenWerks> http:// stuff works fine (at least in xfce)
[22:18] <micahg> right, well, the example in the man page is URI:// or /path/to/file
[22:33] <OvenWerks> IRC works as well. Even asks what app to use. Well it gave it to the browser and the browser asked.
[22:36] <OvenWerks> micahg: what I find odd is that I can't find any overrides in settings, yet that is where I got that files from.
[23:10] <OvenWerks> micahg: pushed new version. Everything should be fixed.
[23:15] <OvenWerks> Hmm, debcommit pulled in an extra comment. From a change before the merge
[23:16] <OvenWerks> Oh, because I fixed the spelling on that line.