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izanagiwhy weird?00:02
izanagijust updated the rep00:02
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Guest50707Would Kubuntu ignore a SSD that has Ubuntu installed on it when trying to install Kubuntu from DVD? Do I need to use the Partition Manager to wipe it first then it might show as an option? Hate to wipe it only to find out it didn't help! :)00:51
Guest50707Only have 1 of my external drives showing as an install option... it is EXT4... other 2 or NTSF. I don't want to install to any of them. Secure Boot is OFF, Fast Boot is OFF.00:51
Guest50707Any help is appreciated...00:51
benbloomthanks puff. unfortunately the -f flag shows process start date (2 days ago) but no time. is there a way to get more detail?01:05
lorddeltaCould anyone help me with my timezone problem? I think I have the correct time, but I can't seem to set the timezone properly so my time shows up correctly.01:07
Guest50707Do I need to use the Partition Manager to wipe an install of Ubuntu first to get that hard drive to show up as an option to install Kubuntu to? Hate to wipe it only to find out it didn't help and I can't install Kubuntu! :)01:09
tsimpsonGuest50707: the installer should give you the option to use the entire disk, and it will repartition and format the disk in that case01:10
Guest50707Yeah it only shows 1 drive to install too a USB attached...01:10
Guest50707which isn't where I want to install too. Secure boot is off, fast boot is off01:10
Guest50707I have an SSD and a 1TB drive internal... ignoring both01:11
Guest50707Doesn't show sda or sdb01:11
Guest50707tsimpson: This of interest to you? http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?62995-Wrong-time-zone-on-your-clock-Help-Kubuntu-devs-create-a-fix&highlight=ignore+hard01:14
Guest50707Guess I will wipe out Ubuntu and see if it shows as an option to install Kubuntu to.... if not, I guess I reinstall Ubuntu again :(01:15
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benbloompuff: I think figured it out 'ps -o %t'01:20
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puffWhat is the deal with plasma widgets?  I couuld swearI used to have Window List in my task bar, but it's not there now, and when I try to add widget it gives me the circle/bar icon.04:50
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izanagithey came and they watch10:30
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izanagithe quiter you are, the more you are able to hear10:38
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BluesKaj_Howdy all11:43
demonoid_mehow can i create booteable  usb stick with windows 712:02
demonoid_meplsss12:02
demonoid_mehelp me12:02
demonoid_mef******ing kubuntuuu!12:02
gits1225demonoid_me: download unetbootin12:06
demonoid_megits1225: i tryed but cant boot :(12:06
demonoid_meand i tryed with dd12:06
demonoid_meand with all things in google12:06
gits1225Can't boot as in the unetbootin screen doesn't show up on boot?12:07
demonoid_meyes i have only default12:08
demonoid_mein the screen12:08
demonoid_mefor choose12:08
gits1225yea, that should do fine12:08
gits1225forward with default option12:08
demonoid_meand when i type enter   cant boot12:08
demonoid_me:(12:09
gits1225zzz12:09
gits1225I don't know, you could try a different software like usbcreator12:09
gits1225demonoid_me: How did you use dd in Windows 7? I am curious12:11
gits1225something like cygwin?12:11
demonoid_megits1225: nooo in windows12:14
demonoid_megits1225: in kubuntu12:14
demonoid_medd if=path to the iso  file    if=path to the   /dev/sdX   bs=51212:15
demonoid_megits1225: where iso file is windows 712:16
demonoid_meand sdX is the usb drive12:16
demonoid_megits1225: ??????????????12:19
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Weust`Hi, alt+tab doesn't work here, any ideas why ? i checked Global Keyb Shortcuts at KWin and it is defined as "Walk through windows", i tried remapping it to something else and back but didn't work in both cases14:09
Weust`where can i look now ?14:09
Weust`i just found out the "error" window behaviour was "focus under mouse", if i set this to "focus follows mouse" it works14:22
* genii makes a note14:27
Weust`could help for future searches :+)14:27
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DarthFrogWell, I just learned something new that other folks might find useful.  "sudo !!" will repeat your last issued command at the command line with sudo privileges.  Very useful.15:10
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Ivan_UkraineHi all!15:11
Ivan_UkraineKubuntu 13.04 is AWESOME!!!15:11
Ivan_UkraineIt's so polished and... sexy!15:12
smartboyhwNow that's a rare comment but yeah!15:13
Ivan_UkraineIs this talk about Mir implementing and death of Kubuntu true?15:14
smartboyhwIvan_Ukraine, sort of. We aren't dying, but we are sure we won't have MIR.15:14
Ivan_UkraineBut what are the options? ubuntu community can't make KDE+MIR alone :(15:15
Ivan_UkraineNobody want Mir except ubuntu15:15
Ivan_UkraineI guess time will show us what's what. But I guess, Kubuntu will be KDE+Debian15:17
yofelmost of the other flavours plan to try to stick to X as long as possible. We'll probably have to work out how well Wayland can be used in ubuntu15:17
Ivan_UkraineUbuntu is ruled by Mark. He said: "Every resource available to Mir". Question is "Will Kubuntu community be able to maintain Wayland in ubuntu or not". On the other hand Debian will maintain Wayland 100%. Maintain KDE is heavy burden. But KDE + Wayland is VERY VERY HARD.15:20
geniiIvan_Ukraine: For chat not directly related to support issues I would recommend #kubuntu-offtopic :)15:22
Ivan_UkraineOh. excuse me :)15:23
lordievaderGood afternoon.15:39
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izanagiHello17:08
izanagiIn energy managment i choosen: when power button press, ask about log out17:09
izanagiand still, after pressing power button, compuer shuts down17:09
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lorddeltajust curious but what is/are the technical problems with mir?18:14
lorddeltaI understand not liking Unity, I'm on KDE after all.18:14
izanagii think kdes better18:15
izanagibut nothing is perfect18:15
lorddeltaizangi: no its X11 vs Mir vs Wayland18:15
lorddeltanot KDE vs Mir, lol18:15
izanagiwell im green18:16
izanaginever heard of mir18:16
lorddeltaKDE uses x11 right now18:16
izanagisaw that in backrack with kde18:16
izanagikde starts with startx18:17
izanagido you now why alt-f2 dont work?18:20
lorddeltano it works for me sorry18:20
lorddeltayou have kubuntu installed yes?18:20
izanagiit works only after launching it from termial18:20
izanagiyes18:20
izanagii launch krunner in terminal - it works18:21
lorddeltaum, you launch alt-f2 from the terminal?18:21
izanagii mean18:21
lorddeltalol ok yeah I was gonna say18:21
lorddeltasorry18:21
lorddeltaI assume you've already tried re-installing krunner then?18:22
lorddelta--purge remove, install krunner?18:22
izanagididnt try18:22
izanagilast time broken whole system18:22
izanagibut i will try maybe18:22
lorddelta...lemme guess you are on 13.0418:23
izanagior maybe add it to autostart?18:23
lorddelta13.1018:23
lorddeltayeah that would help :P18:23
izanagi13.0418:23
izanagi13.10 not relesaes18:23
izanagiyet18:23
izanagii want 13.10 badly18:23
lorddeltabut it just works for me so I assume your config got screwed up18:23
lorddeltathat's usually how these things work18:23
izanagii just cleared .kde oO18:24
lorddeltaI don't know where the config for these things are. If you find out let me know!18:24
lorddelta!18:24
lorddelta!info krunner18:25
ubottuPackage krunner does not exist in raring18:25
izanagiwell i do not use it often anyway18:26
lorddelta!info kde-workspace-bin18:26
ubottukde-workspace-bin (source: kde-workspace): core binaries for the KDE Plasma Workspace. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:4.10.3-0ubuntu0.1~ubuntu13.04 (raring), package size 1990 kB, installed size 9558 kB18:26
lorddelta^ I think that's the package you'll want to reinstall18:27
lorddeltaI wouldn't purge that though there's a lot more than just krunner in there18:27
izanagihmm18:27
lorddeltasudo apt-get --reinstall install kde-workspace-bin18:27
izanagii will make first an clonezilla image18:27
izanagia18:28
lorddeltareinstall is pretty safe18:28
lorddeltabut sure18:28
lorddeltanever hurts to be cautious18:28
izanagiwell, i killed my instalation few times18:28
izanagiwith amd18:28
izanagii want 13.10 and new kernel now ;d18:28
lorddeltaUhm18:29
lorddeltaStay away, with a 30 ft pole.18:29
lorddeltaI don't mean to scare you off of 13.10 or new kernels18:29
lorddeltabut if you don't know what you're doing that's a prime way to really mess up your system18:29
lorddeltae.g. I tried that once with 12.10 and I broke everything but the most basic stuff on the system...I was luck I had land-line internet and new my way around the command line well enough to fix stuff.18:31
lorddeltausing a live cd is safer...put it that way18:32
BluesKaj_lorddelta, I'm on 13.10 and there have been some glitches , but all have been solvable so far18:37
lorddeltaBluesKaj_: I'm sure you are, I don't mean to put off people from 13.10, it just didn't sound like izanagi was ready for the potential headaches18:37
lorddeltaI hope 13.10 goes great (and there are no problems for anyone)!18:38
BluesKaj_lorddelta, well one has to have a stable backup OS like 13.04 , when testing alpha/beta releases18:40
lorddeltaWhy do all these mis-configurations happen though?18:40
lorddeltaI've wondered if there are ways of hardening the configuration system...18:40
izanagiyes it is18:41
izanagimake a copy18:41
izanagiif it works18:41
izanagiyou broke something - you restore backup18:41
izanagii learned that after broking ubuntu18:42
lorddelta1) I know often there are external packages with like to cause trouble 2) people reading tutorials online which are out of date/do not entirely apply 3) mistakes made by package maintainers 4) bugs with write out bad configurations....18:42
lorddeltaBut considering that there is always the "re-install everything" option, I have to wonder if there isn't an easier way of restoring configurations than re-installing all the programs too.18:42
izanagithats why linux is not for everyone18:43
izanagia /home as partiton is good idea18:44
izanagiafter reinstall you dont lose configuration18:44
lorddeltaYeah but half the time your configuration gets corrupted.18:44
lorddeltaSo that (shouldn't) matter.18:44
lorddeltaYour exe's are fine.18:44
lorddeltaexec's*18:44
lorddeltaIf you re-install and don't change anything on your home partition, then it logically follows the problem is not anything on your home partition18:46
lorddeltaSo your home partition does nothing but keep your files 'safe'18:46
izanagibut18:46
lorddeltaizanagi: I may have discovered your krunner problem18:47
izanagiit keeps my bookmark for browser, email etc18:47
izanagiyes?18:47
BluesKaj_your data and app configs mostly18:47
lorddeltawhat is the output of 'ls /usr/share/autostart/krunner.desktop'18:47
lorddeltaand if that file exists open it to make sure the contents aren't corrupted18:48
lorddeltaBluesKaj_: right, which is great but the configuration problems usually all happen in /etc/, /lib/ or /usr/share, never /home/18:48
izanagifile exist18:49
izanagiExec=krunner18:51
izanagiX-DBUS-StartupType=none18:51
izanagiit should be none?18:51
BluesKaj_lorddelta, well those files get rebuilt during the install18:51
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izanagiyou here?18:54
Programmer_i am considering removing kde from kubuntu. what is a better and fast desktop and doesnt cause as much lag?18:55
BluesKaj_Programmer_, have you updated and upgraded lately ?18:55
Programmer_not to a new version. still on precise. why?18:56
izanagixfce?18:57
izanagior gnome classic18:57
izanagior mate18:57
izanagithey are light18:57
Programmer_BluesKaj_18:57
BluesKaj_Programmer_, ok so you're sticking with LTS , and I don't mean a release upgrade, i mean upgrade your your packages19:00
Programmer_im pretty sure i did19:00
Programmer_why do you ask19:00
BluesKaj_just run , sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get upgrade19:01
izanagigoogle optimalization of kde19:01
Programmer_already upgraded lol19:02
izanagiyou can turn of a lot of setting19:02
izanagioff*19:02
Programmer_?19:02
BluesKaj_your packages should be updated periodically so the OS runs with newer speedier versions of your apps/packages19:02
izanagifor example you can turn off some of desktop effects19:02
Programmer_they are upgraded just about everyday19:03
BluesKaj_and if you don't use kamil or file indexing19:03
BluesKaj_err kmail19:03
lorddeltaizanagi: sudo apt-get install pnopaste-cli && less /usr/share/autostart/krunner.desktop | nopaste-it19:05
ovidiu-florinhello world19:05
lorddeltaOr, just less your file and let me know if it looks like this: http://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?8107519:05
Programmer_?19:06
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj_: are you working with gcc/g++ ?19:07
izanagiit looks like the same19:07
izanagilooks the same19:07
Programmer_should i dist-upgrade from 12.04?19:07
izanagino19:07
BluesKaj_ovidiu-florin, nope19:08
ovidiu-florinoh....19:08
izanagidist upgrade  = 15% chance19:08
izanagior less19:08
Programmer_oh?19:08
ovidiu-florinoh = sigh19:09
BluesKaj_dist upgrade will upgrade all the kde packages to the latest on your OS , it will not upgrade to 12.1019:09
lorddeltaizanagi: ls /usr/share/autostart | nopaste-it     ?19:10
BluesKaj_Programmer_,^19:10
izanagiprogram not installed19:11
lorddeltaizanagi, yeah you need to install nopaste-it for that to work19:11
lorddeltasudo apt-get install pnopaste-cli19:11
BluesKaj_do-release-upgrade will upgrade 12.04 to 12.1019:11
BluesKaj_Programmer_,^19:12
BluesKaj_use sudo19:12
Programmer_o19:14
Programmer_should i upgrade to 12.10?19:14
izanagihttp://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?8107619:14
Programmer_<BluesKaj_> Programmer_,^19:15
Programmer_last thing i saw19:15
Programmer_should i upgrade to 12.10?19:15
izanagithere was nothing more19:16
BluesKaj_Programmer_, it's your choice ...12.10 is newer and faster19:18
izanagii think it is better to do clean install of 13.0419:18
Programmer_if i did a clean install of anything, i'd completely wipe my hard drive19:19
BluesKaj_Programmer_, , sudo do-release-upgrade  will upgrade your 12.04 to 12.1019:19
Programmer_im considering installing debian and using what desktop kali-linux uses19:20
Programmer_and just move all my shit over to there19:20
* BluesKaj_ shrugs ... don't look for confirmation from me :)19:23
AshishLi need help in downloading kubuntu . i am downloading the installer. i am running it and when the iso torrent is downloaded,  a permission error is shown . please help..19:23
izanagiyou have to burn iso to CD19:25
BluesKaj_AshishL, is the iso file finished downloading , because that's all you need to burn it to media and then use that to install kubuntu19:25
AshishLBluesKaj_:yeah . i see a wubi file. i click it and i choose kubuntu desktop environment . then it downloads a torrent and then it stops after finishing download and shows error19:29
BluesKaj_AshishL, that's wubi that's not a real kubuntu install , it runs within windows19:30
lordievaderAshishL: Why not try http: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download (this is for raring)19:30
avihayAshishL: you can download the ISo independently, and place it in the same folder with wubi19:30
BluesKaj_!wubi | AshishL19:30
ubottuAshishL: Wubi allows you to install or uninstall Ubuntu 12.04 LTS from within Windows ( version 7 or earlier ) in a simple and safe way. Wubi is INCOMPATIBLE with UEFI, Windows 8 Certified computers, and Windows RAID arrays. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide for more information. File wubi bugs at http://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug19:30
avihaywubi will search for it first19:31
BluesKaj_i think wubi should be deleted / banned :)19:31
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BluesKaj_causes more trouble than it's worth19:32
AshishLBluesKaj_: youre so right :D i think there should ke a "K"ubi. ! ;)19:32
avihayBluesKaj_: why? what's not real about wubi? except for real-time harddisk performance impact?19:32
lordievaderBluesKaj_: I thought there where plans to drop it for 13.10. Argument was that is was buggy and unmaintained. (Might be wrong).19:32
avihayharddisk->read/write19:32
BluesKaj_it's not a real linux install ,   it's an windows application designed to act like l;inux19:33
BluesKaj_that's all I have to say19:33
avihayBluesKaj_: no, it's a real linux, it doesn't run within windows, it's a linux partition on a file inside an NTFS partition, but the rest is real linux19:33
izanagilol, i would not try that19:34
BluesKaj_avihay, don't bother19:34
izanagimust be slow as hell19:34
avihaysomewhat slower, yes19:34
AshishLBluesKaj_: i have an iso named kubuntu-13.04-desktop-amd64. what else should i download ?19:35
AshishLBluesKaj_:to install kubuntu ??19:35
izanagisomething to burn the iso19:35
BluesKaj_that's all you need for a real linux install AshishL ,19:35
izanagiand make sure you rly have amd and 64bit processor19:36
BluesKaj_yers of course media for the iso19:36
lordievaderizanagi: Intel 64bit is fine too.19:36
AshishLBluesKaj_: but the iso has got wubi in itself . should i run that ?19:36
BluesKaj_ask avihay AshishL , he's the wubi guy here , I'm not19:37
izanagi.g a19:38
AshishLavihay:the kubuntu iso 13.04 has got a wubi . should i run it ??19:38
avihayAshishL: it doesn't matter if you extract wubi from within the ISO or download one, they just have to be in the same folder19:38
AshishLavihay:but when i run wubi from within the iso , it starts downloading a new iso . :P19:39
avihay<avihay> ...  they just have to be in the same folder19:39
avihaywubi.exe and kubuntu.iso19:40
AshishLabihay: they are  . hen what should i do ??19:41
AshishLthen .19:41
avihayrun the wubi.exe, it should find the ISO and not download. you won't get any special indication though19:41
AshishLavihay: im running the wubi.exe . but despite the iso being in that folder, its going on downloading another iso.19:44
avihaysec19:45
BluesKaj_didn't wubi ask you tobrowse to the iso folder /19:45
avihayhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide#How_do_I_install_Wubi_on_a_machine_with_no_Internet_connection.3F19:46
AshishLavihay:no19:46
avihayBluesKaj_: no :-<19:47
avihayhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide#How_can_I_use_a_manually_downloaded_ISO.3F19:47
avihay"DVD and Alternate ISO19:48
avihayDVD and Alternate ISO/CDs are not supported. The ISO must be a 10.04/11.10/12.04/12.10 CD Desktop ISO."19:48
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avihay<avihay> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide#How_can_I_use_a_manually_downloaded_ISO.3F19:50
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fluxboxHello19:54
lorddeltaizanagi: I'll have to look at it another time but you look fine to me. Maybe check the logs to see if autostart complains of a problem?19:54
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AshishLavihay: it isnt happening with wubi. i tried just now. what do you suggest download 32 bit 12.04 kubuntu ?19:57
fluxboxcan anyone help me ? I want to install samba and build up a vpn ?19:58
fluxboxI am a N00b :(19:58
fluxboxwitch channel do I have to go ?19:58
avihay!samba19:58
ubottuSamba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.19:58
avihayfluxbox: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/samba-fileserver.html I think, kinda out of date, but until samba4 hits, I don't think anything will change20:00
AshishLavihay: i tried to install from wubi . its not working. saying some files are missing. what should i do ? download a 32 bit iso or a previous version of kubuntu . is there a method to do it withou wubi ?20:09
avihaywubi usually fails for me on first install20:09
avihaythen I remove and reinstall and wit works fine ( I assume it found the ISO, right?)20:10
avihaywit->that20:10
avihayyes, there are ways to do it without wubi. but first, you should define 'it' better. what do you want to do?20:11
AshishLavihay : im trying to reinstall . 20 secs left...20:12
AshishLavihay : it found the iso "after " putting it in the USB.20:12
AshishLavihay: it is showing some missing files error (wubi) . i would like to do it without wubi...20:14
avihayok, what is 'it', what are you trying to do?20:14
AshishLavihay: im trying to install kubuntu from wubi using a live USB .20:15
AshishLavihay:theres no boot screen either.20:15
avihaywubi uses the windows boot screen20:16
avihayI'm asking what is your end goal. you want a dual-boot system?20:16
avihayis it critical for you not to repartition?20:17
AshishLavihay: i want a dual boot and i do not want to repartition...20:17
AshishLavihay: should i download a 32 bit version of 13.04. will it work ??20:17
avihayok. yes, it can be done. no, I havn't done it without wubi20:18
avihayAshishL: you can try, it's easy20:18
avihayI can refer you to some google results if you'd like, I've seen a few guids20:18
AshishLavihay: you mean that i download the 32 bit version again ??20:19
avihayI don't know. do you suspect the download got corrupted?20:20
AshishLavihay:torrent download...20:21
AshishLavihay:so no download problem.20:21
AshishLavihay: the regular download version of kubuntu  requires wubi ??20:21
avihayno20:21
AshishLavihay:thanks...20:24
fluxboxHm OK please gimme a notice if someone wants to talk about cloud systems or so20:29
fluxboxI guess20:29
fluxbox:)20:29
BluesKaj_fluxbox,this is kubuntu support not linux chit chat , try #kubuntu-offtopic20:32
fluxboxOh ok thank you for the advice :)20:32
fluxboxThank you alot :)20:32
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AnThRaXHello everyone.20:53
AnThRaXLinux noob having major issues installing Kubuntu on an ASRock z77 Extreme 4(think it's something in the UEFI) can't seem to figure out how to get to legacy BIOS/if possible, looking for a little help, have read many forum threads, guides/tutorials to no avail.20:56
ahoneybunnot too sure AnThRaX20:59
AnThRaX:-(21:00
ahoneybunAnThRaX: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=208804921:01
AnThRaXI read somewhere about turning off ASMedia things, but when I do that it doesn't see any of my HD;s21:01
ahoneybunAnThRaX: I can't be sure21:03
ahoneybunanyway I must jump off now though21:04
AnThRaXthank you21:05
keithzgWhoa, there's no option to create a non-Microsoft account login when installing Windows 8.1? Although this could be changed in the actual release, I'm shocked I haven't read about this anywhere.21:18
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shankstaBytesanyone know how i can open a directory in kate?22:09
shankstaBytesit is kind of confusing22:09
shankstaBytesI just want to have my directory open so i can easily open files in my project22:09
keithzgshankstaBytes: Kate just shows all the files it HAS open. So you could open ever file in the directory, if you want. But that's the only way to populate that side-panel with the entirety of a directory that I know of.22:27
AnThRaXAnyone here that can help a noob with UEFI issues?22:36
AnThRaXseems the only way i can get kubuntu to start up is to turn off ASMedia SATA3 and not have any sata3 devices hooked up so cant see SSD to install? kubuntu not using Sata3 or?22:39
avihayshankstaBytes: there's a way23:39
avihaykeithzg: ^23:39
keithzgavihay: Oh? Do tell!23:39
* keithzg uses Kate daily, and is always curious to learn more, even if generally too lazy to do so unprompted, heh23:40
avihayin my kate I have labels on the left pannel called Documents, Symbol List, File system browser (the one you want) and projects23:40
avihaythe file system browser let's you roam your directory tree23:40
avihayif you don't have it, then you need to enable it's plug-in23:41
avihaygo to settings->configure kate23:42
avihayun the tree on the left side of the config go to the plug-in entry under application (there's another under editor component, I think), and enable all the goodies you want23:43
shankstaByteskeithzg: hmm how hard is it to make a plugin for kate?23:44
keithzgshankstaBytes: Probably not terribly hard, but avihay has just outlined how this is actually already existing as a plugin, so no need to :)23:45
avihayshankstaBytes: kate now has a python plug-in interface, so writing a plugin for kate is as easy as py23:45
avihaython programming23:45
* avihay loves Kate23:46
=== avihay is now known as Avihay
keithzgIt's truly fantastic, eh? At my office my boss is constantly trumpeting how much he loves Notepad++; anytime he tries to win me over with a feature it has I show him how Kate can do the same and also some second thing Notepad++ *can't* do, and he sulks off defeated ;)23:49
geniinotepad-vangelist23:50
Avihayoh, yhe? how do you do the macro thing N++ has in kate?23:51
* Avihay found out kate regex search and replace is priceless, but also, a tiny bit broken23:52
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