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| * snwh is away: Away | 14:41 | |
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| * mpt having trouble designing the sound menu for phone | 16:46 | |
| mpt | If a phone has prominent hardware volume buttons, then a volume slider is somewhat pointless (unlike on PC, where the hardware volume keys are only two of dozens) | 16:47 |
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| mpt | And a volume slider on a touch UI is more likely to cause accidental blaring than a volume slider on a pointing-device UI | 16:47 |
| xnox | even if there are no hardware volume buttons, the headphones might have hardware volume buttons. | 16:48 |
| mpt | true | 16:48 |
| mpt | But then what if audio isn't playing either? The menu will hardly contain anything. | 16:48 |
| xnox | on android, under settings there is "Volumes" and in there you set 3 volumes: ringtone (phone calls, messages, emails, facebook messages, etc...), media (video playback, games volume, etc), alarm (well alarm). | 16:50 |
| snwh | those will be accessed far less frequently then general volume, if at all | 16:50 |
| mpt | That might make sense in Settings, but yeah, not in an omnipresent menu. | 16:50 |
| xnox | the problem is that it plays back "preview" of how loud that will be, accidentally blaring when one only wanted to set the alarm volume app un-noticed at midnight. | 16:51 |
| xnox | that's only beginning of problems. | 16:51 |
| xnox | on android, you never know which volume hardware keys are controlling. | 16:51 |
| mpt | And on the other hand, if it *doesn't* preview, how are you supposed to know what it does | 16:51 |
| mpt | what the effect of your choice is, I mean | 16:51 |
| xnox | e.g. when playing video hardware keys control media volume, but don't change ringtone volume. | 16:52 |
| xnox | unless a phone call happened to start ringing as you were about to change video volume, then magically you silence your ringtone volume. | 16:52 |
| xnox | mpt: imho sound menu makes sense and should be able to control current volume, if nothing is in progress than it should act as "activate/diactivate silent mode" | 16:53 |
| xnox | mpt: and it should always have music player in it. | 16:53 |
| mpt | On iOS, if audio is playing, the HW buttons controls the volume of that audio. If not, they control the volume of the ringtone and the volume OSD says "ringer". | 16:54 |
| xnox | i don't know how it should behave, but I know for sure that keys in my pocket manage to silence my iphone and nexus4 with fairly consistent rates, especially when I am waiting for a phone call ;-) | 16:55 |
| mpt | We don't even have a silent mode, let alone an assumption of a HW button for it. | 16:56 |
| snwh | mpt, there's no "mute ringer" for when you don't want to talk to someone? | 16:58 |
| xnox | how am i suppose to go to theatre / cinema / meetings / library? surely i should be able to set vibrate only. | 16:58 |
| snwh | there's always a scenario where the HW buttons fail/get broken and the user can't change the volume because there's no slider :P | 17:02 |
| snwh | mpt, but wouldn't the slider indicate the level of the volume (which buttons do not) | 17:04 |
| mpt | yeah, that's its main benefit | 17:07 |
| mpt | though you achieve the same effect by clicking Up then Down :-) | 17:08 |
| snwh | true | 17:09 |
| snwh | and 'mute' is kind of redundant, if you just slide it to 0 | 17:09 |
| snwh | so you're left with an empty sound menu xD | 17:10 |
| * snwh wonders what mpt 's tentative design is | 17:12 | |
| mpt | Yeah, dropping "Mute" was the obvious first step :-) | 17:29 |
| mpt | snwh ^ | 17:29 |
| mpt | No point in a touch UI | 17:29 |
| mpt | snwh, drafts: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Sound#phone-menu | 17:45 |
| snwh | mpt, why have the media controls omnipresent if an audio application isnt open/running? | 18:03 |
| mpt | snwh, to start playing music | 18:04 |
| mpt | Though, I guess only the Play and Music buttons would be useful in that case, not the other three | 18:04 |
| snwh | yea, I'm reminded of the desktop menu where there's 4 actions that open rhythmbox | 18:04 |
| mpt | ooh, burn | 18:14 |
| snwh | mpt, i didn't meant it to burn | 18:24 |
| mpt | It's a good burn :-) | 18:25 |
| snwh | I have ointment | 18:30 |
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