=== jedidiah is now known as jedidiah-away === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:41] * snwh is away: Away [14:41] * snwh is back (gone 00:00:13) [16:46] * mpt having trouble designing the sound menu for phone [16:47] If a phone has prominent hardware volume buttons, then a volume slider is somewhat pointless (unlike on PC, where the hardware volume keys are only two of dozens) [16:47] And a volume slider on a touch UI is more likely to cause accidental blaring than a volume slider on a pointing-device UI [16:48] even if there are no hardware volume buttons, the headphones might have hardware volume buttons. [16:48] true [16:48] But then what if audio isn't playing either? The menu will hardly contain anything. [16:50] on android, under settings there is "Volumes" and in there you set 3 volumes: ringtone (phone calls, messages, emails, facebook messages, etc...), media (video playback, games volume, etc), alarm (well alarm). [16:50] those will be accessed far less frequently then general volume, if at all [16:50] That might make sense in Settings, but yeah, not in an omnipresent menu. [16:51] the problem is that it plays back "preview" of how loud that will be, accidentally blaring when one only wanted to set the alarm volume app un-noticed at midnight. [16:51] that's only beginning of problems. [16:51] on android, you never know which volume hardware keys are controlling. [16:51] And on the other hand, if it *doesn't* preview, how are you supposed to know what it does [16:51] what the effect of your choice is, I mean [16:52] e.g. when playing video hardware keys control media volume, but don't change ringtone volume. [16:52] unless a phone call happened to start ringing as you were about to change video volume, then magically you silence your ringtone volume. [16:53] mpt: imho sound menu makes sense and should be able to control current volume, if nothing is in progress than it should act as "activate/diactivate silent mode" [16:53] mpt: and it should always have music player in it. [16:54] On iOS, if audio is playing, the HW buttons controls the volume of that audio. If not, they control the volume of the ringtone and the volume OSD says "ringer". [16:55] i don't know how it should behave, but I know for sure that keys in my pocket manage to silence my iphone and nexus4 with fairly consistent rates, especially when I am waiting for a phone call ;-) [16:56] We don't even have a silent mode, let alone an assumption of a HW button for it. [16:58] mpt, there's no "mute ringer" for when you don't want to talk to someone? [16:58] how am i suppose to go to theatre / cinema / meetings / library? surely i should be able to set vibrate only. [17:02] there's always a scenario where the HW buttons fail/get broken and the user can't change the volume because there's no slider :P [17:04] mpt, but wouldn't the slider indicate the level of the volume (which buttons do not) [17:07] yeah, that's its main benefit [17:08] though you achieve the same effect by clicking Up then Down :-) [17:09] true [17:09] and 'mute' is kind of redundant, if you just slide it to 0 [17:10] so you're left with an empty sound menu xD [17:12] * snwh wonders what mpt 's tentative design is [17:29] Yeah, dropping "Mute" was the obvious first step :-) [17:29] snwh ^ [17:29] No point in a touch UI [17:45] snwh, drafts: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Sound#phone-menu [18:03] mpt, why have the media controls omnipresent if an audio application isnt open/running? [18:04] snwh, to start playing music [18:04] Though, I guess only the Play and Music buttons would be useful in that case, not the other three [18:04] yea, I'm reminded of the desktop menu where there's 4 actions that open rhythmbox [18:14] ooh, burn [18:24] mpt, i didn't meant it to burn [18:25] It's a good burn :-) [18:30] I have ointment