pitti | Good morning | 03:57 |
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DanChapman | Good Morning :-) | 07:04 |
elfy | hi DanChapman | 07:06 |
DanChapman | Morning elfy. | 07:07 |
smartboyhw | Guys, please help to test Alpha 1! It is available at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/297/builds | 07:55 |
smartboyhw | Kubuntu and UbuntuKylin images haven't appeared yet it seems, but no worries. | 07:55 |
DanChapman | smartboyhw, I will do some tests this afternoon | 07:56 |
smartboyhw | DanChapman, great:) | 07:56 |
Noskcaj | smartboyhw, on the topic of alpha 1. i really hope someone will finally fix bug 1066223 | 08:40 |
ubot5 | bug 1066223 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "kde ubiquity detects Sydney timezone but says Adelaide" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1066223 | 08:40 |
smartboyhw | Noskcaj, duh | 08:56 |
Noskcaj | you have connections in kubuntu, make it happen ;) | 08:56 |
smartboyhw | Noskcaj, I am doing it now:P | 08:56 |
Noskcaj | on a more serious topic. Could you confirm bug 1152306 | 08:57 |
ubot5 | bug 1152306 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Lubuntu installer theme is broken" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1152306 | 08:57 |
smartboyhw | Noskcaj, on a serious topic: I never tested Lubuntu. This release I have Kylin and Kubuntu to care about, and I need to make slides for my classroom session. | 09:00 |
Noskcaj | ok. Test everything that your PC will run. I can only test xubuntu and lubuntu until i get my Huge PC going | 09:01 |
smartboyhw | Noskcaj, for alphas, use VMs. | 09:01 |
smartboyhw | For betas, real machines... | 09:01 |
Noskcaj | i do | 09:01 |
Noskcaj | i only use VMs | 09:02 |
smartboyhw | Noskcaj, ok (same as me) | 09:03 |
* Noskcaj wishes someone would sponsor him. We all have dreams... | 09:03 | |
Noskcaj | smartboyhw, Once the alpha releases we really need to get kirkland and roaxsoax | 09:05 |
smartboyhw | Noskcaj, I agree. | 09:05 |
smartboyhw | They just don't seem to BE here. | 09:05 |
smartboyhw | Noskcaj, I think the problem is that us and them are at completely different timezones. | 09:05 |
Noskcaj | smartboyhw, I've got school holidays after friday so hopefully something can happen in the next two weeks | 09:07 |
smartboyhw | Noskcaj, damn you got holidays much earlier than me. | 09:07 |
Noskcaj | I get 10 weeks school 2 weeks holidays for most of the year, the a 8 week holiday after Christmas | 09:08 |
DanChapman | School..... such a distant memory :-) | 09:09 |
Noskcaj | DanChapman, be less old ;) | 09:11 |
DanChapman | Noskaj, well to be fair I only left 10 years ago... Just when you look back you wonder where time went. | 09:13 |
Noskcaj | ok. | 09:13 |
Noskcaj | DanChapman, a tip for you: If you press "Tab" it autocompletes the nickname, the you don't call me noskaj | 09:13 |
DanChapman | Noskcaj, so it does!!! | 09:14 |
DanChapman | :-) | 09:15 |
Noskcaj | That really needs to be in the topic of the channel. it makes everything so much easier | 09:15 |
smartboyhw | Noskcaj, I will tell balloons later:) | 09:16 |
Noskcaj | lol | 09:16 |
smartboyhw | Noskcaj, I am actually not doing Alpha 1 testing, I'm doing Ubuntu Desktop daily build testing (for the classroom session:P) | 09:16 |
smartboyhw | I take screenshots, put it into slides! | 09:17 |
Noskcaj | i think the reason i found out was i kept writing ballons or baloons | 09:17 |
smartboyhw | Noskcaj, LOL | 09:17 |
Noskcaj | smartboyhw, please add screenshots to the testdrive wiki page too. i cannot and no-one else will | 09:17 |
smartboyhw | Noskcaj, why you cannot? I'm using Virtualbox here actually... | 09:17 |
Noskcaj | smartboyhw, my laptop is too slow to run a VM, my hiapad is broken, my little brothers won't let me use their PCs and my two mods are missing power supplies | 09:18 |
Noskcaj | happy? | 09:18 |
smartboyhw | Noskcaj, :O | 09:19 |
smartboyhw | Maybe SergioMeneses can do that for me... | 09:20 |
smartboyhw | Noskcaj, use your laptop for Lubuntu low-RAM testing:P | 09:20 |
Noskcaj | it has all my other stuff though. I'll be using my new PPC PC for that. | 09:21 |
Noskcaj | and maybe my other ancient PCs (I have a 1988 compaq laptop somewhere) | 09:21 |
* smartboyhw hates ppc | 09:22 | |
smartboyhw | :P | 09:22 |
Noskcaj | smartboyhw, It's strange, but it's something that has to be done. And i want to mod | 09:23 |
smartboyhw | I don't really understand why should we make PowerPC images. | 09:24 |
Noskcaj | smartboyhw, The insane number of old macs that would otherwise miss it. Some of the ARMEL stuff is even more pointless | 09:24 |
smartboyhw | Noskcaj, ARMEL is killed already. | 09:25 |
* Noskcaj checks | 09:25 | |
smartboyhw | And I really don't see that there are a large number of old macs. | 09:25 |
Noskcaj | oops, i really need to check the iso tracker more | 09:25 |
Noskcaj | They exist and lubuntu is the only thing they will run. I do wonder why kubuntu and ubuntu have PPC images though. really it should just be lubuntu and netboot | 09:27 |
smartboyhw | Noskcaj, well Kubuntu principles are: If anyone tests it, we release it. And since the Lubuntu PPC testers have time to test it, we release it. | 09:28 |
smartboyhw | Same thing for Ubuntu. | 09:28 |
smartboyhw | Noskcaj, yeah sure they exist, but they are too old. | 09:28 |
Noskcaj | Do you think we could make a windows and a mac version of testdrive? | 09:31 |
Noskcaj | Once everything gets fixed | 09:31 |
smartboyhw | Noskcaj, no. It would increase maintainance time. | 09:35 |
smartboyhw | Noskcaj, DanChapman where's the wiki page to put down everyone's hardware profile again? | 09:45 |
DanChapman | Noskcaj, this what your looking for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/U+1/iso-testing-qa#Step_2:_Hardware_Profile | 09:47 |
Noskcaj | phillw made a better one, i forget where | 09:47 |
DanChapman | Noskcaj, I think i have a link in my email somewhere i'll just have a search | 09:48 |
DanChapman | Noskcaj, I have a link to the lubuntu one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/PPC%26Mac64/HardWare | 09:50 |
smartboyhw | DanChapman, Noskcaj https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Hardware | 09:52 |
smartboyhw | here | 09:52 |
DanChapman | smartboyhw, you beat me to it. I'd just found it :-) | 09:53 |
smartboyhw | DanChapman, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. | 09:53 |
smartboyhw | DanChapman, can you review http://people.ubuntu.com/~smartboyhw/Ubuntu_ISO_TESTING_CLASSROOM_2_2ND.pdf ? | 10:11 |
DanChapman | yeah sure | 10:12 |
smartboyhw | Now, really some testing. | 10:13 |
DanChapman | smartboyhw, looks good and easy to understand, just slide 19 & 20 are the same. | 10:20 |
smartboyhw | DanChapman, damn:P | 10:20 |
DanChapman | hehe | 10:20 |
DanChapman | xnox, Hey :-) what would you say is a fair amount of time to ask autopilot to wait for partition creation etc after @install Now' has been clicked. I'm trying to lose the sleep(20) as it failed on me this morning :-( | 10:53 |
xnox | DanChapman: it should be instant/no-delay, in practice there is a delay. Can you wait, as long as the cursor is busy? | 10:55 |
DanChapman | xnox, hmmm... i'll look into that. What I was thinking is a little method that checks every 0.5 secs for the next page to become visible. But this length of time varies across machines. So i wanted to put a limit on how long to keep checking, before I could safely say somethings gone wrong and let autopilot throw an exception | 11:00 |
xnox | DanChapman: if something does go wrong a popup dialog shows up "Paritioning failed" | 11:02 |
xnox | or "Installer failed" | 11:02 |
xnox | at which point the cursor changes from busy, back to normal. | 11:02 |
xnox | on a slow machine with resizing it can literarly be forever. Average install time on a slow arm panda is approximately 35minutes. | 11:03 |
DanChapman | xnox, wow thats slow!! ok well I will try and find out if I can get the properties of the cursor. If not then I will let the check run every 0.5 secs with no limit but also check that the error dialogs have not popped up and handle it that way. | 11:08 |
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smartboyhw | balloons, I strongly advise you to change the topic to arise people's attention on Alpha 1 testing/. | 11:17 |
smartboyhw | And also, Noskcaj's suggestion on putting auto-filling:) | 11:18 |
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balloons | DanChapman, so I had trouble getting your ubiquity branch to work again yesterday so I could post about it :-( | 14:15 |
DanChapman | balloons what was it doing? | 14:16 |
balloons | not letting me run it, hehe.. let me try again since your here :-) | 14:16 |
DanChapman | ahhh did you install python-xlib? | 14:16 |
smartboyhw | Hey balloons | 14:16 |
smartboyhw | Heard my suggestions? | 14:17 |
DanChapman | its in the README | 14:17 |
balloons | smartboyhw, sure thing.. I'll add alpha 1 | 14:18 |
balloons | DanChapman, yes.. ubiquity and python-xlib are installed | 14:18 |
balloons | one thing is I needed xnox's ubiquity branch it seemed.. maybe that's where I went wrong | 14:18 |
DanChapman | balloons, You needed the whole branch?... all it needs is the wrapper and ubiquity file copying to the right place and it should run. | 14:21 |
balloons | DanChapman, well I mean I had the whole branch, but yes I copied the wrapper over | 14:21 |
balloons | ahh right.. ubiquity: error: no such option: --autopilot | 14:21 |
smartboyhw | LOL | 14:22 |
balloons | i followed everything in the README, then ran ./run_ubiquity | 14:22 |
balloons | I feel ike I didn't copy the right pieces over | 14:22 |
balloons | maybe I undid something | 14:22 |
DanChapman | 2 secs i'm just gonna pull it again and test | 14:22 |
balloons | DanChapman, thanks.. I've got both branches.. I'd like to just undo what I did then do it exactly as you say | 14:24 |
balloons | then we could probably update the README a little | 14:25 |
balloons | unless perhaps I wasnt' supposed to have ubiquity itself installed.. I think I just ran it from the branch last time | 14:25 |
balloons | that's the difference I think | 14:25 |
xnox | balloons: if you run that autopackage test on your installed machine, it will wipe your hard drive. | 14:26 |
xnox | balloons: running from live cd, has ubiquity already installed. | 14:26 |
xnox | balloons: but there are files to copy over, as ubiquity as released doesn't have --autopilot option at the moment. | 14:27 |
balloons | xnox, right.. I'm trying to remember how I did it last time.. Anyways, so I have the ubiquity branch.. Should I run everything in a livecd and just grab those two files from head? | 14:29 |
DanChapman | balloons the two files are in the bin folder of my branch | 14:29 |
xnox | balloons: just those two files should be enough, copy them over in the right places from live cd live session, then install autopilot & friends, and start the tests from the DanChapman's branch. | 14:30 |
balloons | DanChapman, ohh they are in your folder? I looked and looked.. anyways, ok I'll try it that way this time | 14:30 |
smartboyhw | balloons, ah. I forgotten to ask you : Can you have a readthrough of http://people.ubuntu.com/~smartboyhw/Ubuntu_ISO_Testing_CLASSROOM.pdf ? | 14:44 |
balloons | smartboyhw, sure thing | 14:44 |
=== balloons changed the topic of #ubuntu-quality to: Welcome to Ubuntu Quality | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam | Alpha 1 is live on the isotracker | Cadence Week 2 starts June 29th! | Cadence Week Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Cadence/Saucy | ||
* balloons iso is still syncing.. I accidentily deleted it | 14:47 | |
smartboyhw | balloons, ........... | 14:49 |
smartboyhw | LOL | 14:49 |
balloons | smartboyhw, that looks really well done | 14:50 |
balloons | seriously, good job | 14:50 |
smartboyhw | balloons, :) | 14:50 |
balloons | lots of pictures and detail, but it's not so overbearing as to not be useful | 14:51 |
balloons | ping pitti jibel | 14:52 |
pitti | hey balloons | 14:52 |
balloons | So, I was wondering about the idea of having an autopkg test for the ubuntusdk. I've heard it's broken other packages during upgrades, etc, etc | 14:53 |
jibel | balloons, pong | 14:53 |
balloons | jibel, same question as pitti :-) I thought I would get both your opinions | 14:54 |
balloons | so is an autopkg test possible for the package to prevent this? I don't have a lot of specific details on what happened, I just thought I would ask. 1) Is it possible (should be :-0 ) 2) Have you worked on it or thought it about it in the past | 15:00 |
pitti | balloons: you mean updates of ubuntusdk broke other packages? | 15:00 |
pitti | balloons: that's rather a case for adding autopkgtests to these other packages, isn't it? | 15:00 |
pitti | balloons: independently of this, of course adding a test to usdk itself is prudent as well, as we also want to keep that working | 15:01 |
pitti | balloons: and e. g. prevent a new qt from landing until that's resolved | 15:01 |
balloons | afaik, ubuntusdk itself failed to install or broke things.. or itself didn't work properly after installation.. it's not been smooth | 15:01 |
pitti | ah; in that case it would help, yes | 15:01 |
balloons | pitti, exactly.. so probably autopkg tests for those high threat dependencies too that could break it | 15:01 |
balloons | if this also sounds good, let me circle back with Michael and the sdk team.. generically is there room in the schedule for you to write a few of these? | 15:04 |
pitti | ideally we could run the upstream test suite against the installed version (that's a task for upstream); if/once that's possible, I can add an autopkgtest, yes | 15:06 |
smartboyhw | balloons, I did NOT expect having to correct your grammar of the interview so much (it's going out soon) | 15:10 |
balloons | I can get some specifics and provide the details to you pitti .. there is some upstream tests ty! | 15:11 |
balloons | smartboyhw, ohh really? Sorry for the poor grammar ;-( | 15:11 |
smartboyhw | balloons, and one of your pictures is TOO big. | 15:11 |
smartboyhw | Exceeding 2 MB. | 15:11 |
smartboyhw | Hey philballew | 15:11 |
smartboyhw | ops | 15:11 |
balloons | ahh.. that's a simple resize down | 15:11 |
smartboyhw | Hey phillw | 15:11 |
phillw | hi smartboyhw | 15:11 |
smartboyhw | balloons, please resize it down:) | 15:12 |
balloons | you need me to resize it? you can just scale it right? | 15:13 |
smartboyhw | balloons, I just thought of it.. | 15:13 |
smartboyhw | !screenshot | 15:13 |
ubot5 | Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr] button. Want to show us a screenshot of your problem? Upload an image to http://imagebin.org/?page=add and post a link to it. | 15:13 |
smartboyhw | Getting the imagebin link:P | 15:13 |
smartboyhw | Even imagebin is too big. | 15:15 |
smartboyhw | balloons, you have to resize it. I don't know how to scale it. | 15:15 |
balloons | smartboyhw, do you have the image? | 15:15 |
smartboyhw | balloons, I will send it to you. | 15:16 |
balloons | use gimp to resize it | 15:16 |
balloons | I mean I have the image, I can certainly size it and resend, but lol.. just open it in gimp and scale it down | 15:17 |
smartboyhw | balloons, sent. | 15:18 |
smartboyhw | :P | 15:18 |
* smartboyhw plays with balloons ... | 15:18 | |
balloons | sending back | 15:26 |
balloons | you should learn to use gimp :-) | 15:26 |
smartboyhw | balloons, LOL | 15:26 |
smartboyhw | Thanks:) | 15:27 |
balloons | well once it's up I'll promote it again.. anyways, how many interviews did you get in total? | 15:27 |
balloons | or would you like to leave it as a surprise? :-) | 15:28 |
smartboyhw | balloons, actually after you... I haven't done any yet, shall do it next week:P | 15:29 |
smartboyhw | I did send out invitations but not yet the questions. | 15:29 |
balloons | my vm hates installing autopilot | 15:39 |
smartboyhw | balloons, LOL | 15:39 |
balloons | seriously | 15:45 |
balloons | the latest iso installing python-autopilot locks up the box | 15:45 |
smartboyhw | :O | 15:45 |
balloons | that is SO wild | 15:48 |
DanChapman | balloons, are you using virtualbox? | 15:53 |
balloons | DanChapman, indeed.. Sorry I was caught up in a meeting so it was slow going | 15:53 |
balloons | but vbox, latest iso, boom! | 15:53 |
balloons | trying raring right now | 15:53 |
balloons | the issue with that is autopilot doesn't work | 15:54 |
DanChapman | Yeah ive had the same problem all week. I tried KVM wasn't much better. Ended up using vmware player which runs like a dream :-) | 15:55 |
balloons | DanChapman, ahh ok.. I'll try that.. for you :-) | 15:56 |
balloons | raring won't work because autopilot doesn't work on it | 15:57 |
DanChapman | balloons, thanks :-) oh really... I used the test to install saucy on my box yesterday. I put an ssd in and thought ooo.... lets use the test :-) | 15:58 |
* balloons fires up vmware vm | 16:06 | |
balloons | DanChapman, that was weird.. so I had to tell it to make a blank vm | 16:13 |
balloons | it autoinstalls otherwise :-) | 16:13 |
balloons | kqemu is supposed to be getting 3d acceleration this summer, which should help | 16:14 |
balloons | I noticed this flies in comparision to vbox | 16:14 |
jibel | balloons, sorry was OTP. Tests for ubuntu sdk should be run as part of the autolanding, this way broken packages doesn't even go into the release | 16:17 |
balloons | jibel, ty.. pitti said you would be able to help.. I said I would followup with the ubuntusdk team and see what can be run during autolanding | 16:17 |
balloons | DanChapman, ok close now.. almost finished with setting everything up | 16:22 |
DanChapman | balloons, yeah you have to create a blank and attach iso. Yeah i was suprised how well vmware ran. | 16:23 |
balloons | ok xlib is installed | 16:27 |
balloons | woo.. looks like it's running :-) | 16:28 |
DanChapman | balloons, :-) | 16:30 |
balloons | beautiful | 16:34 |
balloons | yea, this is my cooler than the last demo I ran, hah! | 16:35 |
balloons | *much cooler | 16:36 |
balloons | anyways, time to post :-) | 16:36 |
DanChapman | balloons, :-) | 16:36 |
DanChapman | balloons, just got to finish off my TODO list on it then i will propose a merge | 16:37 |
balloons | ohh this is cool | 16:40 |
balloons | DanChapman, https://plus.google.com/108452779163647535106/posts/bW8eThaTZqF | 17:02 |
Skini151 | Hi, who want to help me? | 17:11 |
knome | Skini151, why not ask your question and see if somebody is able to help you? | 17:34 |
Skini151 | ok | 17:36 |
Skini151 | Today i tested "saucy" iso image and after i suspend ubuntu i see only black screen ( tested on both KVM and VirtualBox ,results are same ), and i don't know how to report this type of bug /// i tested and ubuntu "precise" iso image and it works fine . Help please!! | 17:40 |
DanChapman | balloons, love the slideshow :-) | 17:42 |
balloons | Skini151, what exactly is happening? | 17:44 |
balloons | it's not coming back from suspend I take it? | 17:44 |
Skini151 | yes | 17:44 |
balloons | but only in a vm? | 17:44 |
Skini151 | i don't test it on real machine | 17:45 |
Skini151 | only VM | 17:45 |
Skini151 | but in precise daily image it worked | 17:46 |
Skini151 | on VM | 17:47 |
balloons | gotcha Skini151 | 17:47 |
balloons | so you boot into the installed system and use ubuntu-bug to file | 17:48 |
Skini151 | i boot into installed system but don't use ubuntu-bug | 17:48 |
Skini151 | i don't know where problem is | 17:49 |
Skini151 | what package is responsible for suspend option | 17:49 |
Skini151 | ? | 17:49 |
balloons | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/270/builds/47420/buginstructions | 17:51 |
balloons | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage | 17:51 |
balloons | Skini151, specifically, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage#Suspend.2C_Hibernate.2C_and_Resume :-) | 17:52 |
balloons | does that help? | 17:52 |
balloons | that page is a great way to bookmark | 17:52 |
elfy | great one even :p | 17:52 |
Skini151 | thanks | 17:52 |
balloons | wow my brain today | 17:52 |
Skini151 | i'll do my best | 17:52 |
balloons | thanks! | 17:52 |
balloons | and good find :-) | 17:53 |
balloons | you can mention precise still works | 17:53 |
balloons | back in a bit | 17:53 |
elfy | that is a good page though | 17:53 |
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hggdh | Skini151 went to #ubuntu-bugs to ask about the same thing. I asked him to also install SSH. | 19:42 |
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thomi | balloons: can we have a quick hangout call in about an hour to sort out this autopilot raring issue? | 19:57 |
balloons | thomi, howdy.. that sounds found. I saw the working group call yesterday but I had a conflict.. did you set that up? | 19:57 |
balloons | *found=fine | 19:57 |
thomi | balloons: that call happens every week. I had a conflict yesterday as well :-/ | 19:58 |
Noskcaj | has lubuntu alternate frozen or aren't we rebuilding as much in alpha1 now | 20:14 |
phillw | Noskcaj: all the bugs have been desktop :P | 20:47 |
Noskcaj | except two PPC ones that can never be fixed | 20:48 |
phillw | indeed. | 20:48 |
phillw | two different graphics cards... ne'er the twian shall meet :/ | 20:48 |
phillw | If I win the lottery of about $40,000,000 I'll give a $1,000,000 reward to the person who does... So, you can how likely that is to happen :( | 20:50 |
phillw | *you can see* | 20:50 |
Noskcaj | yep | 20:51 |
phillw | Time to put my money where my mouth is for the alternates.... Just starting the AMD64 one. | 20:51 |
balloons | thomi, I've got a moment now, you set? | 20:55 |
phillw | Noskcaj: have you tried a side by side install? I have a bug reported from desktop where partman is no longer showing the sizes of the partions | 20:56 |
Noskcaj | phillw, i can't until my mega PC build is finished. i can only run VMs till then. Once i finish that build i will be the greatest ISO tester in history | 20:57 |
Noskcaj | ;) | 20:57 |
phillw | you can do side by side in a VM :) (well, you can with KVM, no idea if VBox can ) | 20:58 |
balloons | Noskcaj, :-) how's it coming along anyway? | 21:00 |
Noskcaj | phillw, Ain't nobody got time fo dat | 21:00 |
Noskcaj | balloons, slowly. All the mod parts will be here when i get back from brisbane. | 21:00 |
phillw | I'll make sure to mention to mention it on my KVM session (and get Jonathan to check VBox) | 21:00 |
Noskcaj | phillw, i've got a script for my session, would you mind going over it? | 21:01 |
phillw | send it, but I'm pretty tied up until Thursday evening when the A1's go out (UTC time, of course) | 21:02 |
thomi | balloons: on a call, 10 minutes? | 21:02 |
Noskcaj | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L_RK3QPvaNykRpktBmSRUpECP4sNSvG4CspZ_mTICUE/edit | 21:02 |
phillw | Noskcaj: as an email? :D | 21:02 |
Noskcaj | oops. can you just copy the link to somewhere? | 21:03 |
balloons | thomi, ay aye capt'n | 21:03 |
phillw | Noskcaj: you REALLY do not want to see my desktop... I have to delete / move stuff everytime I add something new :D | 21:04 |
Noskcaj | phillw, ok, i'll email it. | 21:04 |
phillw | 39 folders... that's pretty good for me :) the remaining 73 icons are files I use | 21:06 |
thomi | balloons: how about now? | 21:10 |
balloons | yep, all set | 21:13 |
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