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pittiGood morning03:57
DanChapmanGood Morning :-)07:04
elfyhi DanChapman07:06
DanChapmanMorning elfy.07:07
smartboyhwGuys, please help to test Alpha 1! It is available at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/297/builds07:55
smartboyhwKubuntu and UbuntuKylin images haven't appeared yet it seems, but no worries.07:55
DanChapmansmartboyhw, I will do some tests this afternoon07:56
smartboyhwDanChapman, great:)07:56
Noskcajsmartboyhw, on the topic of alpha 1. i really hope someone will finally fix bug 106622308:40
ubot5bug 1066223 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "kde ubiquity detects Sydney timezone but says Adelaide" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106622308:40
smartboyhwNoskcaj, duh08:56
Noskcajyou have connections in kubuntu, make it happen ;)08:56
smartboyhwNoskcaj, I am doing it now:P08:56
Noskcajon a more serious topic. Could you confirm bug 115230608:57
ubot5bug 1152306 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Lubuntu installer theme is broken" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115230608:57
smartboyhwNoskcaj, on a serious topic: I never tested Lubuntu. This release I have Kylin and Kubuntu to care about, and I need to make slides for my classroom session.09:00
Noskcajok. Test everything that your PC will run. I can only test xubuntu and lubuntu until i get my Huge PC going09:01
smartboyhwNoskcaj, for alphas, use VMs.09:01
smartboyhwFor betas, real machines...09:01
Noskcaji do09:01
Noskcaji only use VMs09:02
smartboyhwNoskcaj, ok (same as me)09:03
* Noskcaj wishes someone would sponsor him. We all have dreams...09:03
Noskcajsmartboyhw, Once the alpha releases we really need to get kirkland and roaxsoax09:05
smartboyhwNoskcaj, I agree.09:05
smartboyhwThey just don't seem to BE here.09:05
smartboyhwNoskcaj, I think the problem is that us and them are at completely different timezones.09:05
Noskcajsmartboyhw, I've got school holidays after friday so hopefully something can happen in the next two weeks09:07
smartboyhwNoskcaj, damn you got holidays much earlier than me.09:07
NoskcajI get 10 weeks school 2 weeks holidays for most of the year, the a 8 week holiday after Christmas09:08
DanChapmanSchool..... such a distant memory :-)09:09
NoskcajDanChapman, be less old ;)09:11
DanChapmanNoskaj, well to be fair I only left 10 years ago... Just when you look back you wonder where time went.09:13
Noskcajok.09:13
NoskcajDanChapman, a tip for you: If you press "Tab" it autocompletes the nickname, the you don't call me noskaj09:13
DanChapmanNoskcaj, so it does!!!09:14
DanChapman:-)09:15
NoskcajThat really needs to be in the topic of the channel. it makes everything so much easier09:15
smartboyhwNoskcaj, I will tell balloons later:)09:16
Noskcajlol09:16
smartboyhwNoskcaj, I am actually not doing Alpha 1 testing, I'm doing Ubuntu Desktop daily build testing (for the classroom session:P)09:16
smartboyhwI take screenshots, put it into slides!09:17
Noskcaji think the reason i found out was i kept writing ballons or baloons09:17
smartboyhwNoskcaj, LOL09:17
Noskcajsmartboyhw, please add screenshots to the testdrive wiki page too. i cannot and no-one else will09:17
smartboyhwNoskcaj, why you cannot? I'm using Virtualbox here actually...09:17
Noskcajsmartboyhw, my laptop is too slow to run a VM, my hiapad is broken, my little brothers won't let me use their PCs and my two mods are missing power supplies09:18
Noskcajhappy?09:18
smartboyhwNoskcaj, :O09:19
smartboyhwMaybe SergioMeneses can do that for me...09:20
smartboyhwNoskcaj, use your laptop for Lubuntu low-RAM testing:P09:20
Noskcajit has all my other stuff though. I'll be using my new PPC PC for that.09:21
Noskcajand maybe my other ancient PCs (I have a 1988 compaq laptop somewhere)09:21
* smartboyhw hates ppc09:22
smartboyhw:P09:22
Noskcajsmartboyhw, It's strange, but it's something that has to be done. And i want to mod09:23
smartboyhwI don't really understand why should we make PowerPC images.09:24
Noskcajsmartboyhw, The insane number of old macs that would otherwise miss it. Some of the ARMEL stuff is even more pointless09:24
smartboyhwNoskcaj, ARMEL is killed already.09:25
* Noskcaj checks09:25
smartboyhwAnd I really don't see that there are a large number of old macs.09:25
Noskcajoops, i really need to check the iso tracker more09:25
NoskcajThey exist and lubuntu is the only thing they will run. I do wonder why kubuntu and ubuntu have PPC images though. really it should just be lubuntu and netboot09:27
smartboyhwNoskcaj, well Kubuntu principles are: If anyone tests it, we release it. And since the Lubuntu PPC testers have time to test it, we release it.09:28
smartboyhwSame thing for Ubuntu.09:28
smartboyhwNoskcaj, yeah sure they exist, but they are too old.09:28
NoskcajDo you  think we could make a windows and a mac version of testdrive?09:31
NoskcajOnce everything gets fixed09:31
smartboyhwNoskcaj, no. It would increase maintainance time.09:35
smartboyhwNoskcaj, DanChapman where's the wiki page to put down everyone's hardware profile again?09:45
DanChapmanNoskcaj, this what your looking for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/U+1/iso-testing-qa#Step_2:_Hardware_Profile09:47
Noskcajphillw made a better one, i forget where09:47
DanChapmanNoskcaj, I think i have a link in my email somewhere i'll just have a search09:48
DanChapmanNoskcaj, I have a link to the lubuntu one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/PPC%26Mac64/HardWare09:50
smartboyhwDanChapman, Noskcaj https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Hardware09:52
smartboyhwhere09:52
DanChapmansmartboyhw, you beat me to it. I'd just found it :-)09:53
smartboyhwDanChapman, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.09:53
smartboyhwDanChapman, can you review http://people.ubuntu.com/~smartboyhw/Ubuntu_ISO_TESTING_CLASSROOM_2_2ND.pdf ?10:11
DanChapmanyeah sure10:12
smartboyhwNow, really some testing.10:13
DanChapmansmartboyhw, looks good and easy to understand, just slide 19 & 20 are the same.10:20
smartboyhwDanChapman, damn:P10:20
DanChapmanhehe10:20
DanChapmanxnox, Hey :-) what would you say is a fair amount of time to ask autopilot to wait for partition creation etc after @install Now' has been clicked. I'm trying to lose the sleep(20) as it failed on me this morning :-(10:53
xnoxDanChapman: it should be instant/no-delay, in practice there is a delay. Can you wait, as long as the cursor is busy?10:55
DanChapmanxnox, hmmm... i'll look into that. What I was thinking is a little method that checks every 0.5 secs for the next page to become visible. But this length of time varies across machines. So i wanted to put a limit on how long to keep checking, before I could safely say somethings gone wrong and let autopilot throw an exception11:00
xnoxDanChapman: if something does go wrong a popup dialog shows up "Paritioning failed"11:02
xnoxor "Installer failed"11:02
xnoxat which point the cursor changes from busy, back to normal.11:02
xnoxon a slow machine with resizing it can literarly be forever. Average install time on a slow arm panda is approximately 35minutes.11:03
DanChapmanxnox, wow thats slow!!  ok well I will try and find out if I can get the properties of the cursor. If not then I will let the check run every 0.5 secs with no limit but also check that the error dialogs have not popped up and handle it that way.11:08
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smartboyhwballoons, I strongly advise you to change the topic to arise people's attention on Alpha 1 testing/.11:17
smartboyhwAnd also, Noskcaj's suggestion on putting auto-filling:)11:18
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balloonsDanChapman, so I had trouble getting your ubiquity branch to work again yesterday so I could post about it :-(14:15
DanChapmanballoons what was it doing?14:16
balloonsnot letting me run it, hehe.. let me try again since your here :-)14:16
DanChapmanahhh did you install python-xlib?14:16
smartboyhwHey balloons14:16
smartboyhwHeard my suggestions?14:17
DanChapmanits in the README14:17
balloonssmartboyhw, sure thing.. I'll add alpha 114:18
balloonsDanChapman, yes.. ubiquity and python-xlib are installed14:18
balloonsone thing is I needed xnox's ubiquity branch it seemed.. maybe that's where I went wrong14:18
DanChapmanballoons, You needed the whole branch?... all it needs is the wrapper and ubiquity file copying to the right place and it should run.14:21
balloonsDanChapman, well I mean I had the whole branch, but yes I copied the wrapper over14:21
balloonsahh right.. ubiquity: error: no such option: --autopilot14:21
smartboyhwLOL14:22
balloonsi followed everything in the README, then ran ./run_ubiquity14:22
balloonsI feel ike I didn't copy the right pieces over14:22
balloonsmaybe I undid something14:22
DanChapman2 secs i'm just gonna pull it again and test14:22
balloonsDanChapman, thanks.. I've got both branches.. I'd like to just undo what I did then do it exactly as you say14:24
balloonsthen we could probably update the README a little14:25
balloonsunless perhaps I wasnt' supposed to have ubiquity itself installed.. I think I just ran it from the branch last time14:25
balloonsthat's the difference I think14:25
xnoxballoons: if you run that autopackage test on your installed machine, it will wipe your hard drive.14:26
xnoxballoons: running from live cd, has ubiquity already installed.14:26
xnoxballoons: but there are files to copy over, as ubiquity as released doesn't have --autopilot option at the moment.14:27
balloonsxnox,  right.. I'm trying to remember how I did it last time.. Anyways, so I have the ubiquity branch.. Should I run everything in a livecd and just grab those two files from head?14:29
DanChapmanballoons the two files are in the bin folder of my branch14:29
xnoxballoons: just those two files should be enough, copy them over in the right places from live cd live session, then install autopilot & friends, and start the tests from the DanChapman's branch.14:30
balloonsDanChapman, ohh they are in your folder? I looked and looked.. anyways, ok I'll try it that way this time14:30
smartboyhwballoons, ah. I forgotten to ask you : Can you have a readthrough of http://people.ubuntu.com/~smartboyhw/Ubuntu_ISO_Testing_CLASSROOM.pdf ?14:44
balloonssmartboyhw, sure thing14:44
=== balloons changed the topic of #ubuntu-quality to: Welcome to Ubuntu Quality | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam | Alpha 1 is live on the isotracker | Cadence Week 2 starts June 29th! | Cadence Week Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Cadence/Saucy
* balloons iso is still syncing.. I accidentily deleted it14:47
smartboyhwballoons, ...........14:49
smartboyhwLOL14:49
balloonssmartboyhw, that looks really well done14:50
balloonsseriously, good job14:50
smartboyhwballoons, :)14:50
balloonslots of pictures and detail, but it's not so overbearing as to not be useful14:51
balloonsping pitti jibel14:52
pittihey balloons14:52
balloonsSo, I was wondering about the idea of having an autopkg test for the ubuntusdk. I've heard it's broken other packages during upgrades, etc, etc14:53
jibelballoons, pong14:53
balloonsjibel, same question as pitti :-) I thought I would get both your opinions14:54
balloonsso is an autopkg test possible for the package to prevent this? I don't have a lot of specific details on what happened, I just thought I would ask. 1) Is it possible (should be :-0 ) 2) Have you worked on it or thought it about it in the past15:00
pittiballoons: you mean updates of ubuntusdk broke other packages?15:00
pittiballoons: that's rather a case for adding autopkgtests to these other packages, isn't it?15:00
pittiballoons: independently of this, of course adding a test to usdk itself is prudent as well, as we also want to keep that working15:01
pittiballoons: and e. g. prevent a new qt from landing until that's resolved15:01
balloonsafaik, ubuntusdk itself failed to install or broke things.. or itself didn't work properly after installation.. it's not been smooth15:01
pittiah; in that case it would help, yes15:01
balloonspitti, exactly.. so probably autopkg tests for those high threat dependencies too that could break it15:01
balloonsif this also sounds good, let me circle back with Michael and the sdk team.. generically is there room in the schedule for you  to write a few of these?15:04
pittiideally we could run the upstream test suite against the installed version (that's a task for upstream); if/once that's possible, I can add an autopkgtest, yes15:06
smartboyhwballoons, I did NOT expect having to correct your grammar of the interview so much (it's going out soon)15:10
balloonsI can get some specifics and provide the details to you pitti .. there is some upstream tests ty!15:11
balloonssmartboyhw, ohh really? Sorry for the poor grammar ;-(15:11
smartboyhwballoons, and one of your pictures is TOO big.15:11
smartboyhwExceeding 2 MB.15:11
smartboyhwHey philballew15:11
smartboyhwops15:11
balloonsahh.. that's a simple resize down15:11
smartboyhwHey phillw15:11
phillwhi smartboyhw15:11
smartboyhwballoons, please resize it down:)15:12
balloonsyou need me to resize it? you can just scale it right?15:13
smartboyhwballoons, I just thought of it..15:13
smartboyhw!screenshot15:13
ubot5Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr] button. Want to show us a screenshot of your problem? Upload an image to http://imagebin.org/?page=add and post a link to it.15:13
smartboyhwGetting the imagebin link:P15:13
smartboyhwEven imagebin is too big.15:15
smartboyhwballoons, you have to resize it. I don't know how to scale it.15:15
balloonssmartboyhw, do you have the image?15:15
smartboyhwballoons, I will send it to you.15:16
balloonsuse gimp to resize it15:16
balloonsI mean I have the image, I can certainly size it and resend, but lol.. just open it in gimp and scale it down15:17
smartboyhwballoons, sent.15:18
smartboyhw:P15:18
* smartboyhw plays with balloons ...15:18
balloonssending back15:26
balloonsyou should learn to use gimp :-)15:26
smartboyhwballoons, LOL15:26
smartboyhwThanks:)15:27
balloonswell once it's up I'll promote it again.. anyways, how many interviews did you get in total?15:27
balloonsor would you like to leave it as a surprise? :-)15:28
smartboyhwballoons, actually after you... I haven't done any yet, shall do it next week:P15:29
smartboyhwI did send out invitations but not yet the questions.15:29
balloonsmy vm hates installing autopilot15:39
smartboyhwballoons, LOL15:39
balloonsseriously15:45
balloonsthe latest iso installing python-autopilot locks up the box15:45
smartboyhw:O15:45
balloonsthat is SO wild15:48
DanChapmanballoons, are you using virtualbox?15:53
balloonsDanChapman, indeed.. Sorry I was caught up in a meeting so it was slow going15:53
balloonsbut vbox, latest iso, boom!15:53
balloonstrying raring right now15:53
balloonsthe issue with that is autopilot doesn't work15:54
DanChapmanYeah ive had the same problem all week. I tried KVM wasn't much better. Ended up using vmware player which runs like a dream :-)15:55
balloonsDanChapman, ahh ok.. I'll try that.. for you :-)15:56
balloonsraring won't work because autopilot doesn't work on it15:57
DanChapmanballoons, thanks :-) oh really... I used the test to install saucy on my box yesterday. I put an ssd in and thought ooo.... lets use the test :-)15:58
* balloons fires up vmware vm16:06
balloonsDanChapman, that was weird.. so I had to tell it to make a blank vm16:13
balloonsit autoinstalls otherwise :-)16:13
balloonskqemu is supposed to be getting 3d acceleration this summer, which should help16:14
balloonsI noticed this flies in comparision to vbox16:14
jibelballoons, sorry was OTP. Tests for ubuntu sdk should be run as part of the autolanding, this way broken packages doesn't even go into the release16:17
balloonsjibel, ty.. pitti said you would be able to help.. I said I would followup with the ubuntusdk team and see what can be run during autolanding16:17
balloonsDanChapman, ok close now.. almost finished with setting everything up16:22
DanChapmanballoons, yeah you have to create a blank and attach iso. Yeah i was suprised how well vmware ran.16:23
balloonsok xlib is installed16:27
balloonswoo.. looks like it's running :-)16:28
DanChapmanballoons, :-)16:30
balloonsbeautiful16:34
balloonsyea, this is my cooler than the last demo I ran, hah!16:35
balloons*much cooler16:36
balloonsanyways, time to post :-)16:36
DanChapmanballoons, :-)16:36
DanChapmanballoons, just got to finish off my TODO list on it then i will propose a merge16:37
balloonsohh this is cool16:40
balloonsDanChapman, https://plus.google.com/108452779163647535106/posts/bW8eThaTZqF17:02
Skini151Hi, who want to help me?17:11
knomeSkini151, why not ask your question and see if somebody is able to help you?17:34
Skini151ok17:36
Skini151Today i tested "saucy" iso image and after i suspend ubuntu i see only black screen ( tested on both KVM and VirtualBox ,results are same ), and i don't know how to report this type of bug /// i tested and ubuntu "precise" iso image and it works fine . Help please!!17:40
DanChapmanballoons, love the slideshow :-)17:42
balloonsSkini151, what exactly is happening?17:44
balloonsit's not coming back from suspend I take it?17:44
Skini151yes17:44
balloonsbut only in a vm?17:44
Skini151i don't test it on  real machine17:45
Skini151only VM17:45
Skini151but in precise daily image it worked17:46
Skini151on VM17:47
balloonsgotcha Skini15117:47
balloonsso you boot into the installed system and use ubuntu-bug to file17:48
Skini151i boot into installed system but don't use ubuntu-bug17:48
Skini151i don't know where problem is17:49
Skini151what package is responsible for suspend option17:49
Skini151?17:49
balloonshttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/270/builds/47420/buginstructions17:51
balloonshttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage17:51
balloonsSkini151, specifically, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage#Suspend.2C_Hibernate.2C_and_Resume :-)17:52
balloonsdoes that help?17:52
balloonsthat page is a great way to bookmark17:52
elfygreat one even :p17:52
Skini151thanks17:52
balloonswow my brain today17:52
Skini151i'll do my best17:52
balloonsthanks!17:52
balloonsand good find :-)17:53
balloonsyou can mention precise still works17:53
balloonsback in a bit17:53
elfythat is a good page though17:53
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hggdhSkini151 went to #ubuntu-bugs to ask about the same thing. I asked him to also install SSH.19:42
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thomiballoons: can we have a quick hangout call in about an hour to sort out this autopilot raring issue?19:57
balloonsthomi, howdy.. that sounds found. I saw the working group call yesterday but I had a conflict.. did you set that up?19:57
balloons*found=fine19:57
thomiballoons: that call happens every week. I had a conflict yesterday as well :-/19:58
Noskcajhas lubuntu alternate frozen or aren't we rebuilding as much in alpha1 now20:14
phillwNoskcaj: all the bugs have been desktop :P20:47
Noskcajexcept two PPC ones that can never be fixed20:48
phillwindeed.20:48
phillwtwo different graphics cards... ne'er the twian shall meet :/20:48
phillwIf I win the lottery of about $40,000,000 I'll give a $1,000,000 reward to the person who does... So, you can how likely that is to happen :(20:50
phillw*you can see*20:50
Noskcajyep20:51
phillwTime to put my money where my mouth is for the alternates.... Just starting the AMD64 one.20:51
balloonsthomi, I've got a moment now, you set?20:55
phillwNoskcaj: have you tried a side by side install? I have a bug reported from desktop where partman is no longer showing the sizes of the partions20:56
Noskcajphillw, i can't until my mega PC build is finished. i can only run VMs till then. Once i finish that build i will be the greatest ISO tester in history20:57
Noskcaj;)20:57
phillwyou can do side by side in a VM :) (well, you can with KVM, no idea if VBox can )20:58
balloonsNoskcaj, :-) how's it coming along anyway?21:00
Noskcajphillw, Ain't nobody got time fo dat21:00
Noskcajballoons, slowly. All the mod parts will be here when i get back from brisbane.21:00
phillwI'll make sure to mention to mention it on my KVM session (and get Jonathan to check VBox)21:00
Noskcajphillw, i've got a script for my session, would you mind going over it?21:01
phillwsend it, but I'm pretty tied up until Thursday evening when the A1's go out (UTC time, of course)21:02
thomiballoons: on a call, 10 minutes?21:02
Noskcajhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1L_RK3QPvaNykRpktBmSRUpECP4sNSvG4CspZ_mTICUE/edit21:02
phillwNoskcaj: as an email? :D21:02
Noskcajoops. can you just copy the link to somewhere?21:03
balloonsthomi, ay aye capt'n21:03
phillwNoskcaj: you REALLY do not want to see my desktop... I have to delete / move stuff everytime I add something new :D21:04
Noskcajphillw, ok, i'll email it.21:04
phillw39 folders... that's pretty good for me :) the remaining 73 icons are files I use21:06
thomiballoons: how about now?21:10
balloonsyep, all set21:13
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