[03:57] Good morning [07:04] Good Morning :-) [07:06] hi DanChapman [07:07] Morning elfy. [07:55] Guys, please help to test Alpha 1! It is available at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/297/builds [07:55] Kubuntu and UbuntuKylin images haven't appeared yet it seems, but no worries. [07:56] smartboyhw, I will do some tests this afternoon [07:56] DanChapman, great:) [08:40] smartboyhw, on the topic of alpha 1. i really hope someone will finally fix bug 1066223 [08:40] bug 1066223 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "kde ubiquity detects Sydney timezone but says Adelaide" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1066223 [08:56] Noskcaj, duh [08:56] you have connections in kubuntu, make it happen ;) [08:56] Noskcaj, I am doing it now:P [08:57] on a more serious topic. Could you confirm bug 1152306 [08:57] bug 1152306 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Lubuntu installer theme is broken" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1152306 [09:00] Noskcaj, on a serious topic: I never tested Lubuntu. This release I have Kylin and Kubuntu to care about, and I need to make slides for my classroom session. [09:01] ok. Test everything that your PC will run. I can only test xubuntu and lubuntu until i get my Huge PC going [09:01] Noskcaj, for alphas, use VMs. [09:01] For betas, real machines... [09:01] i do [09:02] i only use VMs [09:03] Noskcaj, ok (same as me) [09:03] * Noskcaj wishes someone would sponsor him. We all have dreams... [09:05] smartboyhw, Once the alpha releases we really need to get kirkland and roaxsoax [09:05] Noskcaj, I agree. [09:05] They just don't seem to BE here. [09:05] Noskcaj, I think the problem is that us and them are at completely different timezones. [09:07] smartboyhw, I've got school holidays after friday so hopefully something can happen in the next two weeks [09:07] Noskcaj, damn you got holidays much earlier than me. [09:08] I get 10 weeks school 2 weeks holidays for most of the year, the a 8 week holiday after Christmas [09:09] School..... such a distant memory :-) [09:11] DanChapman, be less old ;) [09:13] Noskaj, well to be fair I only left 10 years ago... Just when you look back you wonder where time went. [09:13] ok. [09:13] DanChapman, a tip for you: If you press "Tab" it autocompletes the nickname, the you don't call me noskaj [09:14] Noskcaj, so it does!!! [09:15] :-) [09:15] That really needs to be in the topic of the channel. it makes everything so much easier [09:16] Noskcaj, I will tell balloons later:) [09:16] lol [09:16] Noskcaj, I am actually not doing Alpha 1 testing, I'm doing Ubuntu Desktop daily build testing (for the classroom session:P) [09:17] I take screenshots, put it into slides! [09:17] i think the reason i found out was i kept writing ballons or baloons [09:17] Noskcaj, LOL [09:17] smartboyhw, please add screenshots to the testdrive wiki page too. i cannot and no-one else will [09:17] Noskcaj, why you cannot? I'm using Virtualbox here actually... [09:18] smartboyhw, my laptop is too slow to run a VM, my hiapad is broken, my little brothers won't let me use their PCs and my two mods are missing power supplies [09:18] happy? [09:19] Noskcaj, :O [09:20] Maybe SergioMeneses can do that for me... [09:20] Noskcaj, use your laptop for Lubuntu low-RAM testing:P [09:21] it has all my other stuff though. I'll be using my new PPC PC for that. [09:21] and maybe my other ancient PCs (I have a 1988 compaq laptop somewhere) [09:22] * smartboyhw hates ppc [09:22] :P [09:23] smartboyhw, It's strange, but it's something that has to be done. And i want to mod [09:24] I don't really understand why should we make PowerPC images. [09:24] smartboyhw, The insane number of old macs that would otherwise miss it. Some of the ARMEL stuff is even more pointless [09:25] Noskcaj, ARMEL is killed already. [09:25] * Noskcaj checks [09:25] And I really don't see that there are a large number of old macs. [09:25] oops, i really need to check the iso tracker more [09:27] They exist and lubuntu is the only thing they will run. I do wonder why kubuntu and ubuntu have PPC images though. really it should just be lubuntu and netboot [09:28] Noskcaj, well Kubuntu principles are: If anyone tests it, we release it. And since the Lubuntu PPC testers have time to test it, we release it. [09:28] Same thing for Ubuntu. [09:28] Noskcaj, yeah sure they exist, but they are too old. [09:31] Do you think we could make a windows and a mac version of testdrive? [09:31] Once everything gets fixed [09:35] Noskcaj, no. It would increase maintainance time. [09:45] Noskcaj, DanChapman where's the wiki page to put down everyone's hardware profile again? [09:47] Noskcaj, this what your looking for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/U+1/iso-testing-qa#Step_2:_Hardware_Profile [09:47] phillw made a better one, i forget where [09:48] Noskcaj, I think i have a link in my email somewhere i'll just have a search [09:50] Noskcaj, I have a link to the lubuntu one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/PPC%26Mac64/HardWare [09:52] DanChapman, Noskcaj https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Hardware [09:52] here [09:53] smartboyhw, you beat me to it. I'd just found it :-) [09:53] DanChapman, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. [10:11] DanChapman, can you review http://people.ubuntu.com/~smartboyhw/Ubuntu_ISO_TESTING_CLASSROOM_2_2ND.pdf ? [10:12] yeah sure [10:13] Now, really some testing. [10:20] smartboyhw, looks good and easy to understand, just slide 19 & 20 are the same. [10:20] DanChapman, damn:P [10:20] hehe [10:53] xnox, Hey :-) what would you say is a fair amount of time to ask autopilot to wait for partition creation etc after @install Now' has been clicked. I'm trying to lose the sleep(20) as it failed on me this morning :-( [10:55] DanChapman: it should be instant/no-delay, in practice there is a delay. Can you wait, as long as the cursor is busy? [11:00] xnox, hmmm... i'll look into that. What I was thinking is a little method that checks every 0.5 secs for the next page to become visible. But this length of time varies across machines. So i wanted to put a limit on how long to keep checking, before I could safely say somethings gone wrong and let autopilot throw an exception [11:02] DanChapman: if something does go wrong a popup dialog shows up "Paritioning failed" [11:02] or "Installer failed" [11:02] at which point the cursor changes from busy, back to normal. [11:03] on a slow machine with resizing it can literarly be forever. Average install time on a slow arm panda is approximately 35minutes. [11:08] xnox, wow thats slow!! ok well I will try and find out if I can get the properties of the cursor. If not then I will let the check run every 0.5 secs with no limit but also check that the error dialogs have not popped up and handle it that way. === _salem is now known as salem_ [11:17] balloons, I strongly advise you to change the topic to arise people's attention on Alpha 1 testing/. [11:18] And also, Noskcaj's suggestion on putting auto-filling:) === francisco is now known as Guest17761 === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|afk === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === mmrazik|afk is now known as mmrazik [14:15] DanChapman, so I had trouble getting your ubiquity branch to work again yesterday so I could post about it :-( [14:16] balloons what was it doing? [14:16] not letting me run it, hehe.. let me try again since your here :-) [14:16] ahhh did you install python-xlib? [14:16] Hey balloons [14:17] Heard my suggestions? [14:17] its in the README [14:18] smartboyhw, sure thing.. I'll add alpha 1 [14:18] DanChapman, yes.. ubiquity and python-xlib are installed [14:18] one thing is I needed xnox's ubiquity branch it seemed.. maybe that's where I went wrong [14:21] balloons, You needed the whole branch?... all it needs is the wrapper and ubiquity file copying to the right place and it should run. [14:21] DanChapman, well I mean I had the whole branch, but yes I copied the wrapper over [14:21] ahh right.. ubiquity: error: no such option: --autopilot [14:22] LOL [14:22] i followed everything in the README, then ran ./run_ubiquity [14:22] I feel ike I didn't copy the right pieces over [14:22] maybe I undid something [14:22] 2 secs i'm just gonna pull it again and test [14:24] DanChapman, thanks.. I've got both branches.. I'd like to just undo what I did then do it exactly as you say [14:25] then we could probably update the README a little [14:25] unless perhaps I wasnt' supposed to have ubiquity itself installed.. I think I just ran it from the branch last time [14:25] that's the difference I think [14:26] balloons: if you run that autopackage test on your installed machine, it will wipe your hard drive. [14:26] balloons: running from live cd, has ubiquity already installed. [14:27] balloons: but there are files to copy over, as ubiquity as released doesn't have --autopilot option at the moment. [14:29] xnox, right.. I'm trying to remember how I did it last time.. Anyways, so I have the ubiquity branch.. Should I run everything in a livecd and just grab those two files from head? [14:29] balloons the two files are in the bin folder of my branch [14:30] balloons: just those two files should be enough, copy them over in the right places from live cd live session, then install autopilot & friends, and start the tests from the DanChapman's branch. [14:30] DanChapman, ohh they are in your folder? I looked and looked.. anyways, ok I'll try it that way this time [14:44] balloons, ah. I forgotten to ask you : Can you have a readthrough of http://people.ubuntu.com/~smartboyhw/Ubuntu_ISO_Testing_CLASSROOM.pdf ? [14:44] smartboyhw, sure thing === balloons changed the topic of #ubuntu-quality to: Welcome to Ubuntu Quality | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam | Alpha 1 is live on the isotracker | Cadence Week 2 starts June 29th! | Cadence Week Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Cadence/Saucy [14:47] * balloons iso is still syncing.. I accidentily deleted it [14:49] balloons, ........... [14:49] LOL [14:50] smartboyhw, that looks really well done [14:50] seriously, good job [14:50] balloons, :) [14:51] lots of pictures and detail, but it's not so overbearing as to not be useful [14:52] ping pitti jibel [14:52] hey balloons [14:53] So, I was wondering about the idea of having an autopkg test for the ubuntusdk. I've heard it's broken other packages during upgrades, etc, etc [14:53] balloons, pong [14:54] jibel, same question as pitti :-) I thought I would get both your opinions [15:00] so is an autopkg test possible for the package to prevent this? I don't have a lot of specific details on what happened, I just thought I would ask. 1) Is it possible (should be :-0 ) 2) Have you worked on it or thought it about it in the past [15:00] balloons: you mean updates of ubuntusdk broke other packages? [15:00] balloons: that's rather a case for adding autopkgtests to these other packages, isn't it? [15:01] balloons: independently of this, of course adding a test to usdk itself is prudent as well, as we also want to keep that working [15:01] balloons: and e. g. prevent a new qt from landing until that's resolved [15:01] afaik, ubuntusdk itself failed to install or broke things.. or itself didn't work properly after installation.. it's not been smooth [15:01] ah; in that case it would help, yes [15:01] pitti, exactly.. so probably autopkg tests for those high threat dependencies too that could break it [15:04] if this also sounds good, let me circle back with Michael and the sdk team.. generically is there room in the schedule for you to write a few of these? [15:06] ideally we could run the upstream test suite against the installed version (that's a task for upstream); if/once that's possible, I can add an autopkgtest, yes [15:10] balloons, I did NOT expect having to correct your grammar of the interview so much (it's going out soon) [15:11] I can get some specifics and provide the details to you pitti .. there is some upstream tests ty! [15:11] smartboyhw, ohh really? Sorry for the poor grammar ;-( [15:11] balloons, and one of your pictures is TOO big. [15:11] Exceeding 2 MB. [15:11] Hey philballew [15:11] ops [15:11] ahh.. that's a simple resize down [15:11] Hey phillw [15:11] hi smartboyhw [15:12] balloons, please resize it down:) [15:13] you need me to resize it? you can just scale it right? [15:13] balloons, I just thought of it.. [15:13] !screenshot [15:13] Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr] button. Want to show us a screenshot of your problem? Upload an image to http://imagebin.org/?page=add and post a link to it. [15:13] Getting the imagebin link:P [15:15] Even imagebin is too big. [15:15] balloons, you have to resize it. I don't know how to scale it. [15:15] smartboyhw, do you have the image? [15:16] balloons, I will send it to you. [15:16] use gimp to resize it [15:17] I mean I have the image, I can certainly size it and resend, but lol.. just open it in gimp and scale it down [15:18] balloons, sent. [15:18] :P [15:18] * smartboyhw plays with balloons ... [15:26] sending back [15:26] you should learn to use gimp :-) [15:26] balloons, LOL [15:27] Thanks:) [15:27] well once it's up I'll promote it again.. anyways, how many interviews did you get in total? [15:28] or would you like to leave it as a surprise? :-) [15:29] balloons, actually after you... I haven't done any yet, shall do it next week:P [15:29] I did send out invitations but not yet the questions. [15:39] my vm hates installing autopilot [15:39] balloons, LOL [15:45] seriously [15:45] the latest iso installing python-autopilot locks up the box [15:45] :O [15:48] that is SO wild [15:53] balloons, are you using virtualbox? [15:53] DanChapman, indeed.. Sorry I was caught up in a meeting so it was slow going [15:53] but vbox, latest iso, boom! [15:53] trying raring right now [15:54] the issue with that is autopilot doesn't work [15:55] Yeah ive had the same problem all week. I tried KVM wasn't much better. Ended up using vmware player which runs like a dream :-) [15:56] DanChapman, ahh ok.. I'll try that.. for you :-) [15:57] raring won't work because autopilot doesn't work on it [15:58] balloons, thanks :-) oh really... I used the test to install saucy on my box yesterday. I put an ssd in and thought ooo.... lets use the test :-) [16:06] * balloons fires up vmware vm [16:13] DanChapman, that was weird.. so I had to tell it to make a blank vm [16:13] it autoinstalls otherwise :-) [16:14] kqemu is supposed to be getting 3d acceleration this summer, which should help [16:14] I noticed this flies in comparision to vbox [16:17] balloons, sorry was OTP. Tests for ubuntu sdk should be run as part of the autolanding, this way broken packages doesn't even go into the release [16:17] jibel, ty.. pitti said you would be able to help.. I said I would followup with the ubuntusdk team and see what can be run during autolanding [16:22] DanChapman, ok close now.. almost finished with setting everything up [16:23] balloons, yeah you have to create a blank and attach iso. Yeah i was suprised how well vmware ran. [16:27] ok xlib is installed [16:28] woo.. looks like it's running :-) [16:30] balloons, :-) [16:34] beautiful [16:35] yea, this is my cooler than the last demo I ran, hah! [16:36] *much cooler [16:36] anyways, time to post :-) [16:36] balloons, :-) [16:37] balloons, just got to finish off my TODO list on it then i will propose a merge [16:40] ohh this is cool [17:02] DanChapman, https://plus.google.com/108452779163647535106/posts/bW8eThaTZqF [17:11] Hi, who want to help me? [17:34] Skini151, why not ask your question and see if somebody is able to help you? [17:36] ok [17:40] Today i tested "saucy" iso image and after i suspend ubuntu i see only black screen ( tested on both KVM and VirtualBox ,results are same ), and i don't know how to report this type of bug /// i tested and ubuntu "precise" iso image and it works fine . Help please!! [17:42] balloons, love the slideshow :-) [17:44] Skini151, what exactly is happening? [17:44] it's not coming back from suspend I take it? [17:44] yes [17:44] but only in a vm? [17:45] i don't test it on real machine [17:45] only VM [17:46] but in precise daily image it worked [17:47] on VM [17:47] gotcha Skini151 [17:48] so you boot into the installed system and use ubuntu-bug to file [17:48] i boot into installed system but don't use ubuntu-bug [17:49] i don't know where problem is [17:49] what package is responsible for suspend option [17:49] ? [17:51] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/270/builds/47420/buginstructions [17:51] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage [17:52] Skini151, specifically, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage#Suspend.2C_Hibernate.2C_and_Resume :-) [17:52] does that help? [17:52] that page is a great way to bookmark [17:52] great one even :p [17:52] thanks [17:52] wow my brain today [17:52] i'll do my best [17:52] thanks! [17:53] and good find :-) [17:53] you can mention precise still works [17:53] back in a bit [17:53] that is a good page though === salem_ is now known as _salem [19:42] Skini151 went to #ubuntu-bugs to ask about the same thing. I asked him to also install SSH. === francisco is now known as Guest78995 [19:57] balloons: can we have a quick hangout call in about an hour to sort out this autopilot raring issue? [19:57] thomi, howdy.. that sounds found. I saw the working group call yesterday but I had a conflict.. did you set that up? [19:57] *found=fine [19:58] balloons: that call happens every week. I had a conflict yesterday as well :-/ [20:14] has lubuntu alternate frozen or aren't we rebuilding as much in alpha1 now [20:47] Noskcaj: all the bugs have been desktop :P [20:48] except two PPC ones that can never be fixed [20:48] indeed. [20:48] two different graphics cards... ne'er the twian shall meet :/ [20:50] If I win the lottery of about $40,000,000 I'll give a $1,000,000 reward to the person who does... So, you can how likely that is to happen :( [20:50] *you can see* [20:51] yep [20:51] Time to put my money where my mouth is for the alternates.... Just starting the AMD64 one. [20:55] thomi, I've got a moment now, you set? [20:56] Noskcaj: have you tried a side by side install? I have a bug reported from desktop where partman is no longer showing the sizes of the partions [20:57] phillw, i can't until my mega PC build is finished. i can only run VMs till then. Once i finish that build i will be the greatest ISO tester in history [20:57] ;) [20:58] you can do side by side in a VM :) (well, you can with KVM, no idea if VBox can ) [21:00] Noskcaj, :-) how's it coming along anyway? [21:00] phillw, Ain't nobody got time fo dat [21:00] balloons, slowly. All the mod parts will be here when i get back from brisbane. [21:00] I'll make sure to mention to mention it on my KVM session (and get Jonathan to check VBox) [21:01] phillw, i've got a script for my session, would you mind going over it? [21:02] send it, but I'm pretty tied up until Thursday evening when the A1's go out (UTC time, of course) [21:02] balloons: on a call, 10 minutes? [21:02] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L_RK3QPvaNykRpktBmSRUpECP4sNSvG4CspZ_mTICUE/edit [21:02] Noskcaj: as an email? :D [21:03] oops. can you just copy the link to somewhere? [21:03] thomi, ay aye capt'n [21:04] Noskcaj: you REALLY do not want to see my desktop... I have to delete / move stuff everytime I add something new :D [21:04] phillw, ok, i'll email it. [21:06] 39 folders... that's pretty good for me :) the remaining 73 icons are files I use [21:10] balloons: how about now? [21:13] yep, all set === _salem is now known as salem_ === salem_ is now known as _salem