[03:57] <pitti> Good morning
[07:04] <DanChapman> Good Morning :-)
[07:06] <elfy> hi DanChapman
[07:07] <DanChapman> Morning elfy.
[07:55] <smartboyhw> Guys, please help to test Alpha 1! It is available at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/297/builds
[07:55] <smartboyhw> Kubuntu and UbuntuKylin images haven't appeared yet it seems, but no worries.
[07:56] <DanChapman> smartboyhw, I will do some tests this afternoon
[07:56] <smartboyhw> DanChapman, great:)
[08:40] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, on the topic of alpha 1. i really hope someone will finally fix bug 1066223
[08:56] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, duh
[08:56] <Noskcaj> you have connections in kubuntu, make it happen ;)
[08:56] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, I am doing it now:P
[08:57] <Noskcaj> on a more serious topic. Could you confirm bug 1152306
[09:00] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, on a serious topic: I never tested Lubuntu. This release I have Kylin and Kubuntu to care about, and I need to make slides for my classroom session.
[09:01] <Noskcaj> ok. Test everything that your PC will run. I can only test xubuntu and lubuntu until i get my Huge PC going
[09:01] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, for alphas, use VMs.
[09:01] <smartboyhw> For betas, real machines...
[09:01] <Noskcaj> i do
[09:02] <Noskcaj> i only use VMs
[09:03] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, ok (same as me)
[09:03]  * Noskcaj wishes someone would sponsor him. We all have dreams...
[09:05] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, Once the alpha releases we really need to get kirkland and roaxsoax
[09:05] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, I agree.
[09:05] <smartboyhw> They just don't seem to BE here.
[09:05] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, I think the problem is that us and them are at completely different timezones.
[09:07] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, I've got school holidays after friday so hopefully something can happen in the next two weeks
[09:07] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, damn you got holidays much earlier than me.
[09:08] <Noskcaj> I get 10 weeks school 2 weeks holidays for most of the year, the a 8 week holiday after Christmas
[09:09] <DanChapman> School..... such a distant memory :-)
[09:11] <Noskcaj> DanChapman, be less old ;)
[09:13] <DanChapman> Noskaj, well to be fair I only left 10 years ago... Just when you look back you wonder where time went.
[09:13] <Noskcaj> ok.
[09:13] <Noskcaj> DanChapman, a tip for you: If you press "Tab" it autocompletes the nickname, the you don't call me noskaj
[09:14] <DanChapman> Noskcaj, so it does!!!
[09:15] <DanChapman> :-)
[09:15] <Noskcaj> That really needs to be in the topic of the channel. it makes everything so much easier
[09:16] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, I will tell balloons later:)
[09:16] <Noskcaj> lol
[09:16] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, I am actually not doing Alpha 1 testing, I'm doing Ubuntu Desktop daily build testing (for the classroom session:P)
[09:17] <smartboyhw> I take screenshots, put it into slides!
[09:17] <Noskcaj> i think the reason i found out was i kept writing ballons or baloons
[09:17] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, LOL
[09:17] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, please add screenshots to the testdrive wiki page too. i cannot and no-one else will
[09:17] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, why you cannot? I'm using Virtualbox here actually...
[09:18] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, my laptop is too slow to run a VM, my hiapad is broken, my little brothers won't let me use their PCs and my two mods are missing power supplies
[09:18] <Noskcaj> happy?
[09:19] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, :O
[09:20] <smartboyhw> Maybe SergioMeneses can do that for me...
[09:20] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, use your laptop for Lubuntu low-RAM testing:P
[09:21] <Noskcaj> it has all my other stuff though. I'll be using my new PPC PC for that.
[09:21] <Noskcaj> and maybe my other ancient PCs (I have a 1988 compaq laptop somewhere)
[09:22]  * smartboyhw hates ppc
[09:22] <smartboyhw> :P
[09:23] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, It's strange, but it's something that has to be done. And i want to mod
[09:24] <smartboyhw> I don't really understand why should we make PowerPC images.
[09:24] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, The insane number of old macs that would otherwise miss it. Some of the ARMEL stuff is even more pointless
[09:25] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, ARMEL is killed already.
[09:25]  * Noskcaj checks
[09:25] <smartboyhw> And I really don't see that there are a large number of old macs.
[09:25] <Noskcaj> oops, i really need to check the iso tracker more
[09:27] <Noskcaj> They exist and lubuntu is the only thing they will run. I do wonder why kubuntu and ubuntu have PPC images though. really it should just be lubuntu and netboot
[09:28] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, well Kubuntu principles are: If anyone tests it, we release it. And since the Lubuntu PPC testers have time to test it, we release it.
[09:28] <smartboyhw> Same thing for Ubuntu.
[09:28] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, yeah sure they exist, but they are too old.
[09:31] <Noskcaj> Do you  think we could make a windows and a mac version of testdrive?
[09:31] <Noskcaj> Once everything gets fixed
[09:35] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, no. It would increase maintainance time.
[09:45] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, DanChapman where's the wiki page to put down everyone's hardware profile again?
[09:47] <DanChapman> Noskcaj, this what your looking for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/U+1/iso-testing-qa#Step_2:_Hardware_Profile
[09:47] <Noskcaj> phillw made a better one, i forget where
[09:48] <DanChapman> Noskcaj, I think i have a link in my email somewhere i'll just have a search
[09:50] <DanChapman> Noskcaj, I have a link to the lubuntu one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/PPC%26Mac64/HardWare
[09:52] <smartboyhw> DanChapman, Noskcaj https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Hardware
[09:52] <smartboyhw> here
[09:53] <DanChapman> smartboyhw, you beat me to it. I'd just found it :-)
[09:53] <smartboyhw> DanChapman, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
[10:11] <smartboyhw> DanChapman, can you review http://people.ubuntu.com/~smartboyhw/Ubuntu_ISO_TESTING_CLASSROOM_2_2ND.pdf ?
[10:12] <DanChapman> yeah sure
[10:13] <smartboyhw> Now, really some testing.
[10:20] <DanChapman> smartboyhw, looks good and easy to understand, just slide 19 & 20 are the same.
[10:20] <smartboyhw> DanChapman, damn:P
[10:20] <DanChapman> hehe
[10:53] <DanChapman> xnox, Hey :-) what would you say is a fair amount of time to ask autopilot to wait for partition creation etc after @install Now' has been clicked. I'm trying to lose the sleep(20) as it failed on me this morning :-(
[10:55] <xnox> DanChapman: it should be instant/no-delay, in practice there is a delay. Can you wait, as long as the cursor is busy?
[11:00] <DanChapman> xnox, hmmm... i'll look into that. What I was thinking is a little method that checks every 0.5 secs for the next page to become visible. But this length of time varies across machines. So i wanted to put a limit on how long to keep checking, before I could safely say somethings gone wrong and let autopilot throw an exception
[11:02] <xnox> DanChapman: if something does go wrong a popup dialog shows up "Paritioning failed"
[11:02] <xnox> or "Installer failed"
[11:02] <xnox> at which point the cursor changes from busy, back to normal.
[11:03] <xnox> on a slow machine with resizing it can literarly be forever. Average install time on a slow arm panda is approximately 35minutes.
[11:08] <DanChapman> xnox, wow thats slow!!  ok well I will try and find out if I can get the properties of the cursor. If not then I will let the check run every 0.5 secs with no limit but also check that the error dialogs have not popped up and handle it that way.
[11:17] <smartboyhw> balloons, I strongly advise you to change the topic to arise people's attention on Alpha 1 testing/.
[11:18] <smartboyhw> And also, Noskcaj's suggestion on putting auto-filling:)
[14:15] <balloons> DanChapman, so I had trouble getting your ubiquity branch to work again yesterday so I could post about it :-(
[14:16] <DanChapman> balloons what was it doing?
[14:16] <balloons> not letting me run it, hehe.. let me try again since your here :-)
[14:16] <DanChapman> ahhh did you install python-xlib?
[14:16] <smartboyhw> Hey balloons
[14:17] <smartboyhw> Heard my suggestions?
[14:17] <DanChapman> its in the README
[14:18] <balloons> smartboyhw, sure thing.. I'll add alpha 1
[14:18] <balloons> DanChapman, yes.. ubiquity and python-xlib are installed
[14:18] <balloons> one thing is I needed xnox's ubiquity branch it seemed.. maybe that's where I went wrong
[14:21] <DanChapman> balloons, You needed the whole branch?... all it needs is the wrapper and ubiquity file copying to the right place and it should run.
[14:21] <balloons> DanChapman, well I mean I had the whole branch, but yes I copied the wrapper over
[14:21] <balloons> ahh right.. ubiquity: error: no such option: --autopilot
[14:22] <smartboyhw> LOL
[14:22] <balloons> i followed everything in the README, then ran ./run_ubiquity
[14:22] <balloons> I feel ike I didn't copy the right pieces over
[14:22] <balloons> maybe I undid something
[14:22] <DanChapman> 2 secs i'm just gonna pull it again and test
[14:24] <balloons> DanChapman, thanks.. I've got both branches.. I'd like to just undo what I did then do it exactly as you say
[14:25] <balloons> then we could probably update the README a little
[14:25] <balloons> unless perhaps I wasnt' supposed to have ubiquity itself installed.. I think I just ran it from the branch last time
[14:25] <balloons> that's the difference I think
[14:26] <xnox> balloons: if you run that autopackage test on your installed machine, it will wipe your hard drive.
[14:26] <xnox> balloons: running from live cd, has ubiquity already installed.
[14:27] <xnox> balloons: but there are files to copy over, as ubiquity as released doesn't have --autopilot option at the moment.
[14:29] <balloons> xnox,  right.. I'm trying to remember how I did it last time.. Anyways, so I have the ubiquity branch.. Should I run everything in a livecd and just grab those two files from head?
[14:29] <DanChapman> balloons the two files are in the bin folder of my branch
[14:30] <xnox> balloons: just those two files should be enough, copy them over in the right places from live cd live session, then install autopilot & friends, and start the tests from the DanChapman's branch.
[14:30] <balloons> DanChapman, ohh they are in your folder? I looked and looked.. anyways, ok I'll try it that way this time
[14:44] <smartboyhw> balloons, ah. I forgotten to ask you : Can you have a readthrough of http://people.ubuntu.com/~smartboyhw/Ubuntu_ISO_Testing_CLASSROOM.pdf ?
[14:44] <balloons> smartboyhw, sure thing
[14:47]  * balloons iso is still syncing.. I accidentily deleted it
[14:49] <smartboyhw> balloons, ...........
[14:49] <smartboyhw> LOL
[14:50] <balloons> smartboyhw, that looks really well done
[14:50] <balloons> seriously, good job
[14:50] <smartboyhw> balloons, :)
[14:51] <balloons> lots of pictures and detail, but it's not so overbearing as to not be useful
[14:52] <balloons> ping pitti jibel
[14:52] <pitti> hey balloons
[14:53] <balloons> So, I was wondering about the idea of having an autopkg test for the ubuntusdk. I've heard it's broken other packages during upgrades, etc, etc
[14:53] <jibel> balloons, pong
[14:54] <balloons> jibel, same question as pitti :-) I thought I would get both your opinions
[15:00] <balloons> so is an autopkg test possible for the package to prevent this? I don't have a lot of specific details on what happened, I just thought I would ask. 1) Is it possible (should be :-0 ) 2) Have you worked on it or thought it about it in the past
[15:00] <pitti> balloons: you mean updates of ubuntusdk broke other packages?
[15:00] <pitti> balloons: that's rather a case for adding autopkgtests to these other packages, isn't it?
[15:01] <pitti> balloons: independently of this, of course adding a test to usdk itself is prudent as well, as we also want to keep that working
[15:01] <pitti> balloons: and e. g. prevent a new qt from landing until that's resolved
[15:01] <balloons> afaik, ubuntusdk itself failed to install or broke things.. or itself didn't work properly after installation.. it's not been smooth
[15:01] <pitti> ah; in that case it would help, yes
[15:01] <balloons> pitti, exactly.. so probably autopkg tests for those high threat dependencies too that could break it
[15:04] <balloons> if this also sounds good, let me circle back with Michael and the sdk team.. generically is there room in the schedule for you  to write a few of these?
[15:06] <pitti> ideally we could run the upstream test suite against the installed version (that's a task for upstream); if/once that's possible, I can add an autopkgtest, yes
[15:10] <smartboyhw> balloons, I did NOT expect having to correct your grammar of the interview so much (it's going out soon)
[15:11] <balloons> I can get some specifics and provide the details to you pitti .. there is some upstream tests ty!
[15:11] <balloons> smartboyhw, ohh really? Sorry for the poor grammar ;-(
[15:11] <smartboyhw> balloons, and one of your pictures is TOO big.
[15:11] <smartboyhw> Exceeding 2 MB.
[15:11] <smartboyhw> Hey philballew
[15:11] <smartboyhw> ops
[15:11] <balloons> ahh.. that's a simple resize down
[15:11] <smartboyhw> Hey phillw
[15:11] <phillw> hi smartboyhw
[15:12] <smartboyhw> balloons, please resize it down:)
[15:13] <balloons> you need me to resize it? you can just scale it right?
[15:13] <smartboyhw> balloons, I just thought of it..
[15:13] <smartboyhw> !screenshot
[15:13] <smartboyhw> Getting the imagebin link:P
[15:15] <smartboyhw> Even imagebin is too big.
[15:15] <smartboyhw> balloons, you have to resize it. I don't know how to scale it.
[15:15] <balloons> smartboyhw, do you have the image?
[15:16] <smartboyhw> balloons, I will send it to you.
[15:16] <balloons> use gimp to resize it
[15:17] <balloons> I mean I have the image, I can certainly size it and resend, but lol.. just open it in gimp and scale it down
[15:18] <smartboyhw> balloons, sent.
[15:18] <smartboyhw> :P
[15:18]  * smartboyhw plays with balloons ...
[15:26] <balloons> sending back
[15:26] <balloons> you should learn to use gimp :-)
[15:26] <smartboyhw> balloons, LOL
[15:27] <smartboyhw> Thanks:)
[15:27] <balloons> well once it's up I'll promote it again.. anyways, how many interviews did you get in total?
[15:28] <balloons> or would you like to leave it as a surprise? :-)
[15:29] <smartboyhw> balloons, actually after you... I haven't done any yet, shall do it next week:P
[15:29] <smartboyhw> I did send out invitations but not yet the questions.
[15:39] <balloons> my vm hates installing autopilot
[15:39] <smartboyhw> balloons, LOL
[15:45] <balloons> seriously
[15:45] <balloons> the latest iso installing python-autopilot locks up the box
[15:45] <smartboyhw> :O
[15:48] <balloons> that is SO wild
[15:53] <DanChapman> balloons, are you using virtualbox?
[15:53] <balloons> DanChapman, indeed.. Sorry I was caught up in a meeting so it was slow going
[15:53] <balloons> but vbox, latest iso, boom!
[15:53] <balloons> trying raring right now
[15:54] <balloons> the issue with that is autopilot doesn't work
[15:55] <DanChapman> Yeah ive had the same problem all week. I tried KVM wasn't much better. Ended up using vmware player which runs like a dream :-)
[15:56] <balloons> DanChapman, ahh ok.. I'll try that.. for you :-)
[15:57] <balloons> raring won't work because autopilot doesn't work on it
[15:58] <DanChapman> balloons, thanks :-) oh really... I used the test to install saucy on my box yesterday. I put an ssd in and thought ooo.... lets use the test :-)
[16:06]  * balloons fires up vmware vm
[16:13] <balloons> DanChapman, that was weird.. so I had to tell it to make a blank vm
[16:13] <balloons> it autoinstalls otherwise :-)
[16:14] <balloons> kqemu is supposed to be getting 3d acceleration this summer, which should help
[16:14] <balloons> I noticed this flies in comparision to vbox
[16:17] <jibel> balloons, sorry was OTP. Tests for ubuntu sdk should be run as part of the autolanding, this way broken packages doesn't even go into the release
[16:17] <balloons> jibel, ty.. pitti said you would be able to help.. I said I would followup with the ubuntusdk team and see what can be run during autolanding
[16:22] <balloons> DanChapman, ok close now.. almost finished with setting everything up
[16:23] <DanChapman> balloons, yeah you have to create a blank and attach iso. Yeah i was suprised how well vmware ran.
[16:27] <balloons> ok xlib is installed
[16:28] <balloons> woo.. looks like it's running :-)
[16:30] <DanChapman> balloons, :-)
[16:34] <balloons> beautiful
[16:35] <balloons> yea, this is my cooler than the last demo I ran, hah!
[16:36] <balloons> *much cooler
[16:36] <balloons> anyways, time to post :-)
[16:36] <DanChapman> balloons, :-)
[16:37] <DanChapman> balloons, just got to finish off my TODO list on it then i will propose a merge
[16:40] <balloons> ohh this is cool
[17:02] <balloons> DanChapman, https://plus.google.com/108452779163647535106/posts/bW8eThaTZqF
[17:11] <Skini151> Hi, who want to help me?
[17:34] <knome> Skini151, why not ask your question and see if somebody is able to help you?
[17:36] <Skini151> ok
[17:40] <Skini151> Today i tested "saucy" iso image and after i suspend ubuntu i see only black screen ( tested on both KVM and VirtualBox ,results are same ), and i don't know how to report this type of bug /// i tested and ubuntu "precise" iso image and it works fine . Help please!!
[17:42] <DanChapman> balloons, love the slideshow :-)
[17:44] <balloons> Skini151, what exactly is happening?
[17:44] <balloons> it's not coming back from suspend I take it?
[17:44] <Skini151> yes
[17:44] <balloons> but only in a vm?
[17:45] <Skini151> i don't test it on  real machine
[17:45] <Skini151> only VM
[17:46] <Skini151> but in precise daily image it worked
[17:47] <Skini151> on VM
[17:47] <balloons> gotcha Skini151
[17:48] <balloons> so you boot into the installed system and use ubuntu-bug to file
[17:48] <Skini151> i boot into installed system but don't use ubuntu-bug
[17:49] <Skini151> i don't know where problem is
[17:49] <Skini151> what package is responsible for suspend option
[17:49] <Skini151> ?
[17:51] <balloons> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/270/builds/47420/buginstructions
[17:51] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage
[17:52] <balloons> Skini151, specifically, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage#Suspend.2C_Hibernate.2C_and_Resume :-)
[17:52] <balloons> does that help?
[17:52] <balloons> that page is a great way to bookmark
[17:52] <elfy> great one even :p
[17:52] <Skini151> thanks
[17:52] <balloons> wow my brain today
[17:52] <Skini151> i'll do my best
[17:52] <balloons> thanks!
[17:53] <balloons> and good find :-)
[17:53] <balloons> you can mention precise still works
[17:53] <balloons> back in a bit
[17:53] <elfy> that is a good page though
[19:42] <hggdh> Skini151 went to #ubuntu-bugs to ask about the same thing. I asked him to also install SSH.
[19:57] <thomi> balloons: can we have a quick hangout call in about an hour to sort out this autopilot raring issue?
[19:57] <balloons> thomi, howdy.. that sounds found. I saw the working group call yesterday but I had a conflict.. did you set that up?
[19:57] <balloons> *found=fine
[19:58] <thomi> balloons: that call happens every week. I had a conflict yesterday as well :-/
[20:14] <Noskcaj> has lubuntu alternate frozen or aren't we rebuilding as much in alpha1 now
[20:47] <phillw> Noskcaj: all the bugs have been desktop :P
[20:48] <Noskcaj> except two PPC ones that can never be fixed
[20:48] <phillw> indeed.
[20:48] <phillw> two different graphics cards... ne'er the twian shall meet :/
[20:50] <phillw> If I win the lottery of about $40,000,000 I'll give a $1,000,000 reward to the person who does... So, you can how likely that is to happen :(
[20:50] <phillw> *you can see*
[20:51] <Noskcaj> yep
[20:51] <phillw> Time to put my money where my mouth is for the alternates.... Just starting the AMD64 one.
[20:55] <balloons> thomi, I've got a moment now, you set?
[20:56] <phillw> Noskcaj: have you tried a side by side install? I have a bug reported from desktop where partman is no longer showing the sizes of the partions
[20:57] <Noskcaj> phillw, i can't until my mega PC build is finished. i can only run VMs till then. Once i finish that build i will be the greatest ISO tester in history
[20:57] <Noskcaj> ;)
[20:58] <phillw> you can do side by side in a VM :) (well, you can with KVM, no idea if VBox can )
[21:00] <balloons> Noskcaj, :-) how's it coming along anyway?
[21:00] <Noskcaj> phillw, Ain't nobody got time fo dat
[21:00] <Noskcaj> balloons, slowly. All the mod parts will be here when i get back from brisbane.
[21:00] <phillw> I'll make sure to mention to mention it on my KVM session (and get Jonathan to check VBox)
[21:01] <Noskcaj> phillw, i've got a script for my session, would you mind going over it?
[21:02] <phillw> send it, but I'm pretty tied up until Thursday evening when the A1's go out (UTC time, of course)
[21:02] <thomi> balloons: on a call, 10 minutes?
[21:02] <Noskcaj> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L_RK3QPvaNykRpktBmSRUpECP4sNSvG4CspZ_mTICUE/edit
[21:02] <phillw> Noskcaj: as an email? :D
[21:03] <Noskcaj> oops. can you just copy the link to somewhere?
[21:03] <balloons> thomi, ay aye capt'n
[21:04] <phillw> Noskcaj: you REALLY do not want to see my desktop... I have to delete / move stuff everytime I add something new :D
[21:04] <Noskcaj> phillw, ok, i'll email it.
[21:06] <phillw> 39 folders... that's pretty good for me :) the remaining 73 icons are files I use
[21:10] <thomi> balloons: how about now?
[21:13] <balloons> yep, all set