[00:15] <sergiusens> bjv: mir is being staged for inclusion
[00:15] <sergiusens> bjv: but not yet in
[00:41] <RobbyF> how do i run a fully functional shell?
[00:41] <RobbyF> on desktop that is.
[01:01] <UnderSampled> RobbyF: huh?
[01:28] <bjv> RobbyF: I think you are asking for   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes#Accessing_the_device_over_ADB
[03:31] <ubu> moin
[03:48] <phix> ubu: werd
[03:50] <ubu> phix: hm?
[03:50] <phix> Replying to your "moin"
[03:51] <ubu> is english only here?
[03:52] <phix> No idea, although English is the only language I will understand.
[03:53] <ubu> okay. :)
[03:53] <ubu> can i use that ubuntu touch for my sony xperia tipo dual?
[03:55] <bjv> popey: how goes Evaluating existing email clients and frameworks?
[03:55] <bjv> popey: any more promising than Trojitá?   https://projects.flaska.net/projects/trojita/repository
[03:56] <mhall119> bjv: Trojita is being considered, yes, we should have a decision soon and will let everybody know as soon as we do
[03:57] <bjv> cool. (longtime meego user, 2nd day playing with ubuntu-touch)
[03:58] <bjv> is there a runner up, beyond assembling fully custom client from parts?
[04:02] <mhall119> what do you mean by "runner app"?
[06:03] <mynameisdeleted2> hi all
[06:03] <mynameisdeleted2> can ubuntu-touch run on top of android(which runs a linux kernel)
[06:04] <mynameisdeleted2> or do Ihave to buy a phone designed for ubuntu touch?
[06:05] <mynameisdeleted2> do any us companies cary ubuntu-touch phones.. or support running them?
[06:31] <dholbach> good morning
[08:10] <WebbyIT> Hi everyone, I have a question about Dialog. I want to modify text of a Dialog out of the Dialog. To understand, this is my code: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5800857/ How can I do what I want? Or, there is a best way to do what I want (an error popup with custom text)? Thanks in advance :)
[08:31] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Chocolate Pudding Day! :-D
[08:33] <kalikiana> WebbyIT, define a property like "property string errorText" outside of the component
[08:34] <kalikiana> then define the popover text like "text: errorText"
[08:35] <WebbyIT> kalikiana: thanks you :)
[08:35] <WebbyIT> kalikiana: it's work :D
[08:36] <MacSlow> Saviq, I updated https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+bug/1194629
[08:36] <Saviq> MacSlow, cheers
[08:39] <Saviq> MacSlow, I added lp:unity-notifications to the bug, too
[08:39] <Saviq> and changed the title
[08:40] <MacSlow> Saviq, ok... proper solution is of course to support these hints in the backend... but that might take a bit longer than fixing phone-app directly. Just wanted to provide an easy/fast way out of the regression.
[08:41] <Saviq> MacSlow, sure, of course, and thanks for that, will ping boiko about this later
[08:41] <MacSlow> Saviq, supporting "image_data" is going to be tricky... "image_path" should not be so much of an issue
[08:41] <Saviq> MacSlow, or you could just MR against lp:phone-app :)
[08:41] <MacSlow> Saviq, can do an MR too np
[08:42] <Saviq> MacSlow, yeah, we generally lack support for stuff like this, but I think it should be doable
[08:43] <Saviq> MacSlow, I'm thinking an image provider with "image://data/$some_hash"
[08:43] <Saviq> MacSlow, the backend would then inject the image data for the provider
[08:43] <Saviq> MacSlow, and then get that $some_hash back
[08:44] <Saviq> MacSlow, obviously memory management is important here, too
[08:49] <MacSlow> Saviq, MR is up
[08:50] <Saviq> MacSlow, cheers
[09:09] <trissy> is there a list of translations for the .zip file names for saucy preinstalls? I have no idea which one is designed for my tablet.
[09:09] <k1l> which is you tablet?
[09:09] <trissy> galaxy 10.1
[09:10] <k1l> did you look into the wiki page about ubuntu touch install? (mentioned in the topic)
[09:12] <k1l> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices  there you can find your device
[09:13] <trissy> thank you, not supported yet. appreciate the help, though.
[09:13] <k1l> trissy: not officialy supported but community supported
[09:30] <bzoltan> does anybody know if  the phablet-network-setup should work with the flapped image?
[09:31] <ajbiz11> Might I ask if anyone knows the passwords for the default users? I am working from the Guest user and it's a bit annoying...
[09:31] <ajbiz11> cant even seem to get into device settings
[09:33] <bzoltan> ajbiz11: was not it phablet user and phablet password
[09:34] <ajbiz11> no, not for the default users on the lock screen...
[09:34] <ajbiz11> and somehow my plam just got me into the "Device" settings tab...
[09:35] <ajbiz11> ah, far right...got that down...
[09:35] <bzoltan>  ajbiz11:  what device do you use?
[09:36] <ajbiz11> I am currently using an unoffical port: acclain
[09:36] <ajbiz11> *acclaim
[09:44] <kalikiana> hmm 11:43:43 on the standby screen, 11:44 in the panel
[09:45] <ajbiz11> i would say submit to the tracker, but i think the time is passed
[09:46] <kalikiana> I think the panel is correct, but the standby somehow lags behind a lot
[09:46] <ajbiz11> Alright, can I use adb push/pull in the ubuntu_chroot?
[09:47] <kalikiana> ajbiz11, what is it you want to achieve?
[09:47] <ogra_> you can use it in android ... the ubuntu chroot lives in /data/ubuntu
[09:48] <ogra_> just prefix the target dir with that to copy inside the chroot
[09:48] <ajbiz11> kalikiana,   I would like to pull a file from my device to my PC, and oga_, thank you, that is what I needed...
[10:12] <kalikiana> FYI https://bugs.launchpad.net/phablet-tools/+bug/1194823 the clock bug
[10:19] <nik90> loicm: can I ask about the status of the new UbuntuShape widget? Is there a beta?
[10:22] <loicm> nik90: I plan to push a branch showing off the new features at the end of the week, not the final stuff though
[10:22] <loicm> nik90: what's your need for it?
[10:23] <nik90> I need it for the clock app visual design implementations
[10:37] <ns5> in a button definition, how to access the width and height of the top level MainView?
[10:39] <kalikiana> ns5, you probably want to do it the other way around; set the button's properties from outside
[10:42] <ns5> kalikiana: do you mean get screen width and height in MainView, and then caculate button width and height in MainView?
[10:45] <kalikiana> ns5, yes
[10:46] <ns5> kalikiana: that way button.qml would depend on variables which defined outside of it, is it a problem?
[10:47] <kalikiana> ns5, I'm saying I would set something like "width: myMainView.width / 3" on the button
[10:47] <kalikiana> to not have the button magically make assumptions on where it sits
[10:49] <kalikiana> if you for example later want to have it in a smaller area you can easily tweak it - but not if the button hard-codes its size
[10:50] <ns5> kalikiana: so I should give the MainView an id, so the button can find the height/width of the MainView by e.g. mymainview.height or mymainview.width?
[10:50] <kalikiana> ns5, I said the exact opposite, I guess I'm not explaining very well :-D
[10:51] <ns5> kalikiana: could you give me a simple example
[10:52] <kalikiana> ns5, maybe you can paste a small snippet showing your "button" to reduce the confusion, I might not think of the same thing as you
[10:53] <kalikiana> all I am thinking of is, simplified: MainView { id: myMain { Button { width: myMain.width } }
[10:53] <kalikiana> any subclass of Button works in this example
[10:55] <ns5> kalikiana: mainview.qml: http://pastebin.com/qbiCGwrh  simplepage.qml (with button): http://pastebin.com/qqjWDKNU
[10:59] <kalikiana> ns5, how about using simpleroot.width
[10:59] <kalikiana> my rule of thumb is, don't use parent properties outside of the file
[11:01] <test_> hello
[11:04] <ns5> kalikiana: if parent is in the same file, it's ok to use its properties?
[11:04] <jibel> ogra_, do you know if CONFIG_DEVPTS_MULTIPLE_INSTANCES is enabled by default on latest flipped images (20130625 / grouper in my case)?
[11:04] <ogra_> i think so ...
[11:04] <jibel> I'm trying to start a second container but start failed with lxc-start: Device or resource busy - failed to mount a new instance of '/dev/pts'
[11:04] <ogra_> zgrep CONFIG_DEVPTS_MULTIPLE_INSTANCES /proc/config.gz
[11:05] <kalikiana> ns5, yes. that's my recommendation anyway - to keep things re-usable
[11:05] <jibel> # zgrep CONFIG_DEVPTS_MULTIPLE_INSTANCES /proc/config.gz
[11:05] <jibel> # CONFIG_DEVPTS_MULTIPLE_INSTANCES is not set
[11:05] <jibel> bah :/
[11:09] <ogra_> jibel, file a bug then
[11:09] <ogra_> apw,  ^^^
[11:10] <ogra_> jibel, it is set on maguro btw
[11:29] <ckpringle> Kaleo: hey. How do I make a grid of items with the ubuntu shape?
[11:29] <ckpringle> Kaleo: which APIs would I need? QML has a grid view already right? Because we will have some variations of grid views on the design guides, but to what would they link?
[11:43] <Kaleo> ckpringle: show me the variations
[11:43] <Kaleo> ckpringle: but usually it's GridView
[11:43] <Kaleo> ckpringle: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qml-qtquick2-gridview.html
[11:46] <seb128> Kaleo, hey, can I ask you a quick qml question? ;-)
[11:46] <Kaleo> seb128: shoot
[11:47] <seb128> Kaleo, what's the recommended way to put buttons in a list that have the same margins as other list items?
[11:47] <seb128> Kaleo, like the "Add accounts..." button on that design: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OnlineAccounts?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=phone-accounts-top-none.png
[11:48] <seb128> Kaleo, should I just hardcode the margin as units.gu(2) which is what list item use? or is that a constant I can use
[11:51] <Guest84342> can ubuntu on sony xperia z
[11:52] <seb128> Kaleo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1194844 if that's better than the question
[11:54] <Kaleo> seb128: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5801273/
[11:55] <sjaak> Hello
[11:55] <sjaak> can ubuntu touch on my xperia z?
[11:56] <seb128> Kaleo, thanks ... doesn't that defeat a bit the purpose of a SingleControl item though if the recommendation is to the use Base? ;-)
[11:57] <sjaak> can ubuntu touch on my xperia z?
[11:58] <Kaleo> seb128: it does, I renamed the bug
[11:58] <seb128> Kaleo, btw I noticed the verticalCenter thing, could you/somebody from the sdk look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1190196 and tell me if that's a bug or not (I'm reluctant to add extra code to do the verticalCentering if the sdk toolkit should be doing it)
[11:58] <seb128> Kaleo, thanks
[11:59] <seb128> Kaleo, do you recommend we use the ListItem.Base way or just keep using ListItem.SingleControl with wrong spacing knowing that it will fix itself once the sdk is fixed?
[11:59] <Kaleo> seb128: brilliant seb
[12:00] <Kaleo> seb128: thanks for your contribution
[12:00] <apw> jibel, let me know the number and i'll get it fixed up
[12:00] <Kaleo> seb128: we should never merge broken things to products
[12:00] <Kaleo> seb128: ie. any hack, workaround is valid to make things work for the user
[12:01] <seb128> Kaleo, "thanks" I guess ... not sure if that patch is correct and it's a small one, so not sure if that's irony :p
[12:01] <Kaleo> seb128: though if you use ListItem.Base, make sure to add a FIXME with a link to the bug report
[12:01] <seb128> Kaleo, well, I don't like to add hacks because then the toolkit get fixed and your hacks break/are nont needed/...
[12:02] <Kaleo> seb128: agreed
[12:02] <seb128> Kaleo, I prefer to have visual glitches with correct code, that gives more insensitive to fix the real problem and it doesn't force you do come back later dropping the hacks
[12:02] <Kaleo> seb128: btw, the fix in SingleControl can't be difficult
[12:02] <Kaleo> seb128: the margin is exposed to it as the __contentsMargins property
[12:02] <Kaleo> seb128: and put users in pain
[12:02] <seb128> Kaleo, well, as long as the "product" is not a beta product, I agree that things should look right when you get close from production
[12:04] <seb128> Kaleo, anyway, thanks for the chats and the workarounds/suggestions, I think I've what I need (and I abused your time enough for a day ;-)
[12:04] <Kaleo> yw
[12:19] <jibel> apw, bug 1194850
[13:05] <popey> is it me or is the camera icon the wrong way round in the camera app? i.e. when in photo mode it shows an icon of a video camera, and in video mode it shows an icon of a stills (SLR)?
[13:08] <ali1234> popey: that is the right way around
[13:08] <ali1234> the icon shows what the button does if you press it
[13:09] <ali1234> it is not an indication of current mode
[13:09] <popey> its inconsistent with the flash icon then
[13:09] <popey> the flash icon indicates current mode
[13:09] <ali1234> well, can't have everything
[13:09] <popey> hah
[13:09] <ali1234> obviously one of them must be wrong
[13:10] <popey> in android it shows current mode, and you press to flip mode
[13:10] <popey> and ios too
[13:12] <popey> Arguably the photo/record button also indicates mode. Shows a shutter for photo and a red light/button for video.
[13:22] <esigolo> Anyone know if it will be possible to create folders to organize apps?
[13:30] <popey> esigolo: good question!
[13:30] <popey> I've not seen that in the shell designs..
[13:31] <esigolo> I say this because today I had to organize my apps on android and I wondered how it would look for apps in touch
[13:39] <Pol16> hi
[13:41] <popey> hi Pol16
[13:47] <davmor2> popey: what the magic settings to make spelling suggestions show up?
[13:48] <davmor2> popey: or is that not in the daily builds yet?
[13:51] <mhall119> esigolo: how would you want to organize them?
[13:52] <ali1234> by category i should expect
[13:52] <ali1234> like putting all the games together
[13:52] <esigolo> also as i want ! i mean creating folders for my favorite apps
[13:53] <esigolo> utilities
[13:53] <pmcgowan> esigolo, its much more search oriented, plus there will be categories which can expand and collapse
[13:53] <pmcgowan> not sure if you can assign your own category
[13:53] <ali1234> you can't do this on the desktop in a reasonable way, i doubt the phone will be any different
[13:54] <mhall119> you'll already have a games category
[13:55] <ali1234> but you can't add or remove things from it. if things don't happen to be categorized the way you want your only option is to open a text editor and start editing .desktop files
[13:55] <esigolo> ali1234: in desktop mode but it is different in normal mode is very useful to be able to separate your apps any way you want
[13:55] <ogra_> ali1234, so write a QML based .desktop file editor :)
[13:56] <ali1234> i know, it's useful. i do in on android by just having multiple desktops
[13:56] <ali1234> i put all the games (but only the ones i actually like) on one desktop
[13:56] <ali1234> one for all the internet stuff, one for maps etc
[13:56] <ali1234> i think this is pretty typical usage
[13:56] <mhall119> Pol16: you can chat in here
[13:57] <Pol16> Thanks mhall119
[14:01] <Pol16> Do we can at the moment add any app to the launcher in ubuntu phone?
[14:02] <popey> Pol16: not yet..
[14:02] <Pol16> ok popey
[14:03] <FunkyPenguin> are there any plans to have the device show up on the desktop when connected?
[14:04] <ogra_> indeed
[14:06] <FunkyPenguin> by what means, MTP?
[14:06] <FunkyPenguin> and will that be soon?
[14:06] <ogra_> either MTP or mass storage
[14:07]  * FunkyPenguin would rather mass storage than MTP
[14:07] <ali1234> mass storage has problems
[14:07] <FunkyPenguin> as does MTP ;)
[14:08] <ali1234> like you can't access the files on the phone while it is exported
[14:08] <FunkyPenguin> true, but my experience is that MTP is much slower at file transfer
[14:08] <ogra_> it also forces you to use ntfs/vfat if you want to have it accessible on windows iirc
[14:09] <FunkyPenguin> and i never want to access the files at the same time
[14:09] <ali1234> there's no reason for MTP to be slower other than bad implementation
[14:09] <FunkyPenguin> fair enough
[14:09] <ali1234> yeah but it means you need to have a separate partition at the very least, and probably FAT as mentioned
[14:10] <FunkyPenguin> ok next question, if I install evolution for email can i access it from the phone without too much hassle or will the display be utter boulderdash?
[14:10] <ogra_> there is no X on the phone
[14:11] <ogra_> so evo wont run
[14:11] <ali1234> how is the image size and memory usage now compared with the first release?
[14:11] <FunkyPenguin> ogra_: ah, that would indeed problematic
[14:11] <ali1234> is it worth even trying to put the new version on galaxysmtd?
[14:11] <ogra_> depends on the porter :)
[14:12] <ogra_> and if he kept the HW image up to date
[14:12] <FunkyPenguin> in that case could someone implement an ews extension to the mail app?
[14:12] <ali1234> i didn't
[14:12] <Pol16> I have some doubts about unity webapp integration in Ubuntu Touch, I mean how will they be installed? Will we have to go to a web page and then download a package from this web like in desktop?
[14:12] <ali1234> the initial release only just fit
[14:12] <FunkyPenguin> if im going to use my ubuphone for work i need exchange access
[14:12] <ali1234> if it has grown at all it won't work
[14:12] <FunkyPenguin> please?
[14:12] <FunkyPenguin> mhall119: did you get my email btw?
[14:13] <ogra_> ali1234, it dropped quite somw fat
[14:13] <ogra_> *some
[14:13] <ali1234> good
[14:13] <ali1234> how has the porting process changed with the container switch?
[14:14] <ogra_> we dont default to flipped containers with ports yet
[14:14] <ogra_> you will still get the old setup
[14:15] <ogra_> (and can use the old methods ... repo sync ... and brunch away ... )
[14:15] <ali1234> ok
[14:15] <ali1234> so i just sync and rebuild and fix anything that broke?
[14:15] <ogra_> right
[14:15] <Cyb10101> Hi, has anyone experience with HTC Sensation? I want Ubuntu to the mobile phone flashing, but at step 4 it no longer goes on ...
[14:15] <esigolo> any plans to I9000b?
[14:16] <ogra_> i just uploaded the initrd package that will flipped containers possible on ports ... waiting for an archive admin to let it free from the "first upload quarantaine"
[14:16] <ogra_> *will make
[14:16] <ali1234> with flipped containers we'll still use the android kernel?
[14:16] <ogra_> yes
[14:17] <ogra_> but an ubuntu initrd to boot directly into the ubuntu rootfs
[14:17] <ali1234> what about adb?
[14:17] <ogra_> where we fire up an lxc container that runs android
[14:17] <ogra_> adb is kind of ported over ... you can use it
[14:17] <ogra_> adbd runs under ubuntu
[14:17] <awe> ogra_, cyphermox... 3g is still broken on mako.  I updated *both* bugs
[14:18] <ogra_> bah
[14:25] <tvoss_> zsombi, ping
[14:25] <ogra_> awe, hmm, would be intresting to see if these devices are seen if your USB cable isnt plugged in
[14:25] <zsombi> tvoss_:pong
[14:26] <awe> ogra_, I'll check...
[14:26] <ogra_> awe, the behavior reminds me pretty much of what we had with the g_ether gadget module on the n7 desktop images
[14:28] <awe> ogra_, reboot is still borked
[14:28] <awe> ah...just slow
[14:28] <ogra_> yeah, shutting down is awfully slow
[14:28] <awe> ( although it failed after phablet-flash again this morning on mako )
[14:29] <ogra_> the boot is sstill awful as well
[14:29] <ogra_> but starting to fix that before we have lightdm, proper session mgmt et cetc in place doesnt make sense
[14:29] <awe> ogra_, yea... mako is *really* slow to boot
[14:29] <ogra_> maguro too
[14:30] <ogra_> http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/ubuntu-touch/bootchart-maguro.png
[14:30] <ogra_> 39sec
[14:30] <awe> I'm still waiting for mako
[14:30] <sergiusens> awe: adb reboot fails? Let me setup a loop
[14:30] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu touch on a Mediatek MT6589 Quad Core 1.2GHz (Cortex A7) | http://askubuntu.com/q/312967
[14:31] <awe> sergiusens, it failed for me this morning... although perhaps it was just the fact that mako was taking a super long time to boot?
[14:31] <awe> ogra_, looks like we may have a problem on mako...
[14:31] <awe> no desktop, but system is up
[14:32] <awe> and yes dear ogra_, the devices are there if my USB cable isn't plugged in...
[14:32] <ogra_> awe, ok
[14:33] <sergiusens> lol
[14:36] <UnderSampled> what does roomservice do?
[14:37] <Saviq> ogra_, 'libPVROGL.so' not found on 20130626 flipped, that known?
[14:38] <ogra_> awe, so to see if 3G persists when the devices dont kick in, how about adding a stub entry for each of them to /etc/network/interfaces (with noauto, so they get ignored all over)
[14:38] <ogra_> Saviq, thats not fliped related, afauk  it has always been like that
[14:39] <ogra_> iirc rsalveti told me its harmless
[14:39] <Saviq> ogra_, hmm unity8 bails out
[14:39] <Saviq> $ unity8
[14:39] <Saviq> __pthread_gettid -2
[14:39] <Saviq> linkerlinker.c:1095| ERROR: Library 'libPVROGL.so' not found
[14:39] <Saviq> linkerlinker.c:1095| ERROR: Library 'libPVROCL.so' not found
[14:39] <Saviq> Cant find EGLConfig, returning null config
[14:39] <ogra_> well, there is no OpneGL on arm :)
[14:39] <Saviq> Aborted
[14:39] <ogra_> so i dont see where such a lib would come from ...
[14:40] <Saviq> ogra_, that's a freshly flashed maguro, ubuntu-touch-session didn't start...
[14:40]  * Saviq tries on manta
[14:40] <ogra_> i think your error is the next line
[14:40] <Saviq> ogra_, yeah, most probably
[14:40] <awe> ogra_, let's discuss at the standup
[14:40] <ogra_> awe, well, would be a quick test
[14:41]  * snwh is away: Away
[14:41] <awe> ogra_, yes... but I'm not sure if you also saw that the shell fails to start on my mako as well???
[14:41]  * snwh is back (gone 00:00:13)
[14:41] <rsalveti> Saviq: yeah, don't think libPVROGL is the cause here
[14:41] <awe> ogra_, I will try the test, but I have something else I need to finish before the standup
[14:41] <ogra_> awe, can we focus on one issue ?
[14:41] <ogra_> just reboot
[14:42] <awe> ogra_, sure we can focus on one... I'm just informing you that there are other problems
[14:42] <ogra_> yes, i noticed
[14:42] <awe> ok
[14:44] <ogra_> Saviq, do you have a black screen or do you see the google logo ?
[14:44] <Saviq> ogra_, google
[14:45] <ogra_> hmm, let me sync and test myself
[14:45] <Saviq> ogra_, manta seems to just reboot all the time (like WinXP!)
[14:45] <ogra_> there were no changes that could have broken anything since yesterdays image
[14:46] <rsalveti> yeah
[14:46] <Saviq> ogra_, last one I used was 0623
[14:46] <rsalveti> 25 is working fine here
[14:46] <rsalveti> let me also flash 26
[14:46] <ogra_> well, if it reboots constantly it is likely not the ubuntu bootimg you use
[14:47] <ogra_> since that stops into an adb session in the initramfs if something fails there
[14:48] <UnderSampled> what's the plan for navigation?
[14:48] <ogra_> rsalveti, oh, i lied ... there were kernel uploads ... they could indeed have broken something
[14:48] <rsalveti> ogra_: hm
[14:49] <UnderSampled> It would be awesome if there was a polished openstreetmap based navigator
[15:01] <awe> ogra_, is this what you meant by noauto?  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5801720/
[15:01] <rsalveti> ogra_: yeah, no shell with latest
[15:02] <ogra_> awe, no there is usually a "auto <ifacename>" ... above the inet definition
[15:02] <awe> sure, but the manpage says nothing about "noauto"
[15:02] <apw> ogra_, how urgent is this LXC thing, ie does it need uploading
[15:02] <awe> which is why I thought "manual" was the right thing
[15:02] <rsalveti> ogra_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5801738/
[15:03] <rsalveti> apw: ^
[15:03] <ogra_> rsalveti, i blame apparmor then
[15:03] <rsalveti> seems latest kernel upload for mako broke it somehow
[15:03] <ogra_> apw, which LXC thing ?
[15:03] <rsalveti> ops, maguro
[15:03] <rsalveti> let me flash mako
[15:03] <apw> rsalveti, 10s is very short for that timeout
[15:04] <apw> rsalveti, and am i right in reading it resolving itself ?
[15:04] <apw> rsalveti, ie that there is only one whine for each firmware and so by 20s they are loaded ?
[15:05] <rsalveti> seems to be resolving itself, but still no shell
[15:06]  * ogra_ still waits for the sync to finish ... 
[15:06] <ogra_> i guess i'll have to wait until after the call
[15:07] <Saviq> ogra_, rsalveti 0625 works fine on maguro
[15:07] <rsalveti> yeah, that was before the kernel update
[15:07] <ogra_> Saviq, right, and only the kernel changed it seems
[15:08] <ogra_> pretty easy to identify the package that broke it (not that it helps the cause much :P )
[15:09] <ogra_> apw, i think "iface rmnet_usb? inet" is enough (might be wrong though)
[15:10] <ogra_> err
[15:10] <ogra_> awe, ^^^
[15:10] <awe> ogra_, I'll try the 'manual' keyword like I posted above
[15:10] <ogra_> ok
[15:10] <ogra_> :)
[15:13] <rsalveti> ogra_: apw: mako is also busted
[15:13]  * ogra_ thought so, they got the same patches 
[15:13] <ogra_> (maguro had one more but a harmless one)
[15:13] <rsalveti> [   26.258324] init: powerd main process (484) killed by SEGV signal
[15:13] <rsalveti> seems apparmor might be causing all these issues
[15:14] <ogra_> yeah
[15:14] <rsalveti> probably not a crash in the kernel itself
[15:14] <apw> ogra_, which patches, the apparmor ones ?
[15:14] <rsalveti> but it might be blocking stuff around
[15:14] <apw> ogra_, they _all_ got those
[15:14] <ogra_> apw, they were the same across all arches
[15:14] <ogra_> apw, maguro got the ureadahread stuff additionally
[15:14] <apw> ogra_, they were equivalent indeed, not identicle, but all 'tested' by security
[15:14] <ogra_> but as i said, pretty harmless
[15:15] <jdstrand> ogra_: I'm not sure the quotes were warrnted there :)
[15:15] <apw> jdstrand, :)
[15:15] <jdstrand> can someone recap the problem and why people think it is apparmor for jjohansen?
[15:15] <apw> jdstrand, frankly it seemed you guys did a pretty thorough job on the testing side, more than is typically done
[15:16] <ogra_> jdstrand, thats the only patchset all kernels got, and all arches start failing at the same time
[15:16] <ogra_> jdstrand, also there were no other boot related changes
[15:16] <jjohansen> ogra_: oh that isn't good :(
[15:16] <jdstrand> ogra_: can you recap the issue for jjohansen?
[15:16] <apw> ogra_, do we have apparmor userspace in these images and could that be related
[15:16] <jjohansen> it shouldn't
[15:16] <dobey> is lp:unity/8.0 supposed to rend itself unusable once one tries to open the dash with the sliding from the right edge?
[15:17] <ogra_> apw, we have the sysvinit script and all it calls
[15:17] <apw> ogra_, i will also say that i tested mako and manta on the device in a slightly older image
[15:17] <apw> ogra_, ie those kernels cross built, before they were uploaded
[15:17] <ogra_> the images are built with --no-install-recommends ... is there anything apparmor recommends that could break that heavily ?
[15:17] <rtg_> I booted grouper and maguro
[15:17] <dobey> or should i not bother asking in here and just bug #ubuntu-unity?
[15:17] <rsalveti> ogra_: apw: jjohansen: there's no process under phablet user name
[15:17] <apw> ogra_, so they do boot in some sense, though with older non-flipped images
[15:18] <ogra_> apw, right, flipped can behave totally different
[15:18] <jdstrand> if someone could let jjohansen know what is failing, I'm quite sure he could help triage this (he just joined the channel)
[15:18] <apw> i didn't see any apparmor issues there, but not tried a flippy with them, so kernel yes, but a side effect of flipping as well i would conjecture
[15:18] <ogra_> apw, well, yesterdays image works fine
[15:19] <ogra_> we run flipped since a while already
[15:19] <jjohansen> right, I know we have been testing flipped for a while
[15:19] <ogra_> (not by default, but it has many regular testers)
[15:19] <apw> ogra_, but my image was non-flipped i tested, and the kernel subbed in there worked ok
[15:19] <apw> so my comment is more it must be related to a feature in the kernel only triggered in flipped mode
[15:20] <ogra_> apw, right, that doesnt help much, the plan was actually to default to flipped today :)
[15:20] <jjohansen> so there could be a bug or conflict that didn't show up in the testing that was done
[15:20] <apw> ogra_, the DEVPTS thing i have pushed to grouper, but i won't upload in case this requires an apparmor fix or whatever
[15:20] <jjohansen> the easiest first test would be to revert the apparmor patch
[15:20] <ogra_> apw, yeah
[15:20] <apw> jjohansen, well that is just the previous kernel
[15:21] <apw> ogra_, i assume if you hand instlal the previous kernel in the image it works
[15:21] <apw> ogra_, it would be a good test if not so tested
[15:21] <jjohansen> apw: okay, I wasn't sure if we had any other commits in the newest kernel
[15:21] <ogra_> jjohansen, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5801738/ thats what rsalveti captured
[15:21] <apw> jjohansen, on three of the four kernels just that single commit
[15:21] <ogra_> apw, will, do, still in a call here, after that i can fiddle
[15:21] <apw> ogra_, np
[15:22] <apw> jjohansen, that rsalveti trace looks like firmware loads timeing out, which i can see would break the device
[15:22] <apw> jjohansen, do we get involved in those in apparmor
[15:22] <kenvandine> should i be worried that after flashing my flipped mako today boot gets stuck  on "Google" ?
[15:22] <kenvandine> for like 10 minutes
[15:23] <ogra_> kenvandine, you can either be worried or read the backlog
[15:23] <apw> kenvandine, that sounds like great behaviour to me
[15:23] <kenvandine> ah
[15:23] <kenvandine> you guys already know about this :)
[15:23] <ogra_> :)
[15:23] <ogra_> kenvandine, only a few mins ahead of you though
[15:24] <jjohansen> apw: yes and no. Not at the kernel layer of the firmware loading, but possibly when userspace tries to access the firmware
[15:24] <ogra_> jjohansen, happens all the time inside the android container
[15:24] <apw> jjohansen, would i expect aa to whine in dmesg when it does something like that, or is that something we need to ask for
[15:24] <apw> to ask aa to log additionally in dmesg
[15:25]  * apw muses we let our aa expert leave the team :)
[15:25] <jjohansen> apw: if something is confined it will whine, if not it should bail out early and do nothing
[15:26] <jdstrand> so, to be crystal clear. there was 1 change made to the kernel, and that was the apparmor pull?
[15:26] <jjohansen> during early boot we should be unconfined, and only short circuiting
[15:27] <jdstrand> could this have something to do with the lxc containers for android?
[15:27] <ogra_> very likely
[15:28] <jjohansen> hrmm so its possible that apparmor could cause hung task, if it oops in a spinlock
[15:28] <apw> jjohansen, i suspect it is stopping the loader task, and trapping the thing waiting for the firmware,
[15:28] <ogra_> jdstrand, 90% of the hardware handling (userspace binary blobs and firmware loading etc) is done inside the container to bring up the HW
[15:28] <jdstrand> jjohansen: if I aa-status on yesterday's image (ie, pre-pull) I see profiles for lxc
[15:28] <jjohansen> the other place I could think of it causing boot to fail, is if its confined and failing domain transitions, but we shouldn't be confined in the phablet images
[15:29] <apw> ogra_, can you confirm that the firmwares loading there are loading from within the lxc-container containing the android stuff ?
[15:29] <ogra_> apw, yes, all firmware handling on the ubuntu side should be off
[15:29] <apw> jjohansen, ^^ ok all of these loads are indeed in the container
[15:29] <ogra_> we actually divert the udev rule for it
[15:30] <jjohansen> do we have an easy way to specify a kernel parameter on the phablet image?
[15:30] <jdstrand> jjohansen: full aa-status output from yeterday's grouper: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5801801/
[15:30] <ogra_> jjohansen, from a running image its easy, from the outside its a bit tricky
[15:31] <jjohansen> ogra_: right, how tricky?
[15:31] <jjohansen> we can disable apparmor with apparmor=0 and make sure its the cause of the problem
[15:32] <ogra_> jjohansen, there are a few ways, i guess the easiest is to take the bootimg from cdimage and modify the commandline and then flash it with fastboot
[15:32] <jjohansen> instead of installing the old kernel
[15:32] <jjohansen> fun
[15:32] <ogra_> ok, i'll try that as soon as i'm back near my phone
[15:33] <jjohansen> if it is apparmor I am guessing an interaction with lxc
[15:33] <apw> jjohansen, sounds likely
[15:34] <jjohansen> in which case lets revert the apparmor commit and I'll look into why its interacting with lxc
[15:34] <jjohansen> I haven't tested with the flip yet
[15:39] <m0s> so, am i got right - to take a first look to the ub.touch on my mako - it makes sense for me to install yesterday build?
[15:47] <rsalveti> let me try the apparmor=0 thing
[15:48]  * ogra_ is flashing ... 
[15:53] <ogra_> jjohansen, so apparmor=0 fixes it for me
[15:53] <ogra_> rsalveti, ^^^
[15:53] <ogra_> on maguro
[15:53] <rtg_> apw, ^^
[15:54] <rsalveti> cool, flashing mako
[15:55] <jjohansen> ogra_: okay, I'll start digging
[15:58] <pmcgowan_> ogra_, was reading, fwiw I had 0625 hang at the google logo on a mako yesterday
[15:59] <ogra_> pmcgowan_, intresting, did you try logging in with adb and capture logs ?
[15:59] <pmcgowan_> could not get in
[15:59] <ogra_> hmm, that shouldnt happen
[15:59] <pmcgowan_> I had done an adb reboot, and it never made it up
[15:59] <ogra_> adbd is always running ... we even start it in the initrd on errors
[15:59] <pmcgowan_> then used power button to recover
[15:59] <ogra_> oh
[16:00] <ogra_> better use "adb shell reboot" i think there are still issues with adb reboot
[16:00] <rsalveti> ogra_: jjohansen: yup, same for mako, can boot fine after adding apparmor=0
[16:00] <pmcgowan_> ogra_, ok good
[16:00] <jjohansen> alright, do you want to back out the apparmor patch while I investigate
[16:01] <rsalveti> ogra_: how hard would it be to have that added to our kernel cmdline when building the image?
[16:01] <ogra_> well, depends if you think it is worth it :) turnaround time for a kernel upload until we have an image ready is about 6h
[16:01] <rsalveti> at least until this is solved
[16:01] <ogra_> rsalveti, four minor changes in initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch
[16:01] <jjohansen> lets assume it will take at least a day to turn around a fix
[16:02] <ogra_> jjohansen, leave it in, i'll fix the cmdlines
[16:02] <rsalveti> ogra_: might be easier than disabling it in the kernel
[16:02] <ogra_> yeah
[16:02] <jjohansen> okay, thats fine as long as its not breaking the world
[16:03] <rsalveti> awe: approved https://code.launchpad.net/~awe/phablet-extras/ofono-socket-exit/+merge/171355
[16:03] <rsalveti> once merged, please update the other one with trunk again
[16:03] <rsalveti> just to make sure
[16:05] <ogra_> fix uploaded
[16:09] <rsalveti> let me also publish the "fixed" bootimgs somewhere
[16:10] <rsalveti> still uploading: http://people.canonical.com/~rsalveti/20130626/
[16:10] <awe> rsalveti, ack, ack
[16:10] <rsalveti> anyone having issues with 20130626, please flash the bootimg from http://people.canonical.com/~rsalveti/20130626/ (adb reboot bootloader; fastboot flash boot <boot.img>; fastboot reboot;)
[16:11]  * ogra_ goes to mow the lawn while the package builds and pops through its differnt stages of propagation 
[16:14] <plars> will give it a try rsalveti, thanks
[16:14] <SoulCast> Hey, Do you guys think there will be a dedicated settings & messaging app for Ubuntu touch or do you think it'll all be done through the phone app / notifications
[16:18] <rsalveti> all uploaded
[16:18] <rsalveti> time for some food
[16:18] <plars> rsalveti: seems to work here on mako at least, thanks
[16:19] <iBelieve> I'm not familiar with merge requests - now that my merge request (https://code.launchpad.net/~mdspencer/ubuntu-filemanager-app/improved-ui/+merge/171569) has been approved, do I need to do anything to get it merged?
[16:20] <rsalveti> plars: awesome
[16:28] <Asad2005> I have downloaded the stock rom of my galaxy note N7000 and extracted the tar file, there is cache,factoryfs, hidden and zimage image files in addition to modem.bin how can i flash these using fastboot?
[16:39] <ogra_> cjwatson, thanks so much for the fakechroot hint, the package builds fine now
[16:41] <cjwatson> Oh good
[16:52] <iBelieve> I'm not familiar with merge requests - now that my merge request (https://code.launchpad.net/~mdspencer/ubuntu-filemanager-app/improved-ui/+merge/171569) has been approved, do I need to do anything to get it merged?
[16:52] <ogra_> no, that should happen automatically
[16:53] <apw> ogra_, to confirm you have worked round the aa issue via the kernel command line for now
[16:53] <ogra_> apw, right, no kernel uploads needed
[16:54] <ogra_> a soon as the package with the fix is in the archive i'll trigger new images and we should be fine again
[17:03] <plars> ogra_: in the flipped images, do we write out a buildstamp anywhere so that we can see which build we're using from within the image, and if not, how hard would it be to add that?
[17:03] <ogra_> plars, no, but i added the creation of /var/log/installer/media-info today ... should be in the next build
[17:04] <ogra_> so you can handle it like on desktop/server images now
[17:04] <plars> ogra_: perfect, thanks!
[17:05] <ogra_> oh, wait, probably not in the next one but once IS has processed the related RT it will
[17:05] <plars> ok
[17:05] <ogra_> the next one will have all entries but the build id in /var/log/installer/media-info :P
[18:01] <jdstrand> bzoltan1: hey-- in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/security-s-appisolation-sdk there is this work item: [bzoltan] adjust SDK to use application confinements paths (see above): TODO
[18:02] <jdstrand> bzoltan1: a) I will be filing bugs for these paths. where should I file the bugs?
[18:02] <jdstrand> bzoltan1: b) is that work item properly assigned?
[18:21] <ajbiz11> Alright, as much as I would hope it's a secure file, does anyone know where the Usernames for the LOCKSCREEN are stored, not the system users...
[18:26] <bzoltan1> jpdsrand: The best place is this -> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-qtcreator-plugins
[18:44] <kenvandine> fginther, can you do whatever jenkins magic is needed to add CI and autolanding for gsettings-qt ?
[18:44] <kenvandine> fginther, i proposed a branch adding it to daily release https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/cupstream2distro-config/gsettings-qt/+merge/171634
[18:45] <fginther> kenvandine, is it ready to release into distro?
[18:45] <kenvandine> yeah
[18:45] <kenvandine> tests added and all
[18:45] <kenvandine> already in saucy
[18:46] <kenvandine> and the settings panels are going to start using it, so i want to make sure it's built in the same stack
[18:46] <mterry> Has anyone installed a flipped touch image recently?  The first bootup is taking *forever*
[18:47] <kenvandine> mterry, broken
[18:47] <mterry> (I installed with phablet-flash --flipped)
[18:47] <mterry> kenvandine, :(
[18:47] <fginther> kenvandine, it's approved. I'll ping you again when it's deployed
[18:48] <kenvandine> fginther, thanks!
[18:48] <kenvandine> fginther, also... libpam-freerdp looks like the CI isn't configure properly
[18:48] <kenvandine> https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/libpam-freerdp/packaging/+merge/171626
[18:48] <kenvandine> maybe it's using the old recipes?
[18:48] <fginther> kenvandine, I'll take a look
[18:48] <kenvandine> fginther, thanks!
[18:51] <fginther> kenvandine, indeed libpam-freerdp is an old-style project and not in any stack cfg
[18:52] <fginther> kenvandine, should it be in a stack file?
[18:52] <kenvandine> yes
[18:52] <kenvandine> i am going to add it
[18:52] <kenvandine> but wanted to get this branch landed first
[18:54] <fginther> kenvandine, ok, let me tweak the job first and see if it lands
[18:54] <kenvandine> fginther, i appreciate it
[18:56] <fginther> kenvandine, should libpam-freerdb still be building for quantal?
[18:56] <kenvandine> no idea
[18:56] <kenvandine> i doubt it :)
[18:56] <kenvandine> lets say saucy
[18:56] <fginther> is it going it heas
[18:56] <fginther> is it going it head
[18:56] <fginther> saucy it is then
[18:57] <kenvandine> head yes
[19:02] <ajbiz11> does anyone think that the Saucy images from anywehere in the last 10 or so days added anything that would break disply?
[19:02] <ajbiz11> *display
[19:02] <ajbiz11> I have a logcat if anyone wants to take a peek
[19:21] <jer_> Hi guys - just trying to insall ubuntu touch on my galaxy nexus, got an error message while running  phablet-flash -b
[19:22] <jer_> anyone able to help?
[19:22] <jer_> message was "Error while executing fastboot flash system /home/jeremy/Downloads/phablet-flash/saucy-25/saucy-preinstalled-system-armel+maguro.img Make sure the device is connected and viewable by running 'adb devices' Ensure you have a root device, one which running 'adb root' does not return an error"
[19:23] <jer_> i ran fastboot flash system, which was successful, then went into recovery mode and now have a Cyanogen mod loading animation...
[19:24] <jer_> ah .. running adb root i  get "adbd cannot run as root in production builds"
[19:25] <fginther> kenvandine, libpam-freerdp/packaging has merged
[19:25] <kenvandine> fginther, thanks!
[19:25] <kenvandine> i'll create a new stack for it soon
[19:50] <stgraber> rsalveti: looks like I have mntns attach working, now to try to get pidns attach working too (that one is a bit more difficult...)
[19:50] <rsalveti> stgraber: awesome
[20:36] <void_> hello everyone
[21:00] <balloons> nik90, you about?
[21:20] <jer_> I have figgered it out
[21:27] <stgraber> rsalveti: it works! I've got a working kernel for mako
[21:27] <rsalveti> stgraber: awesome
[21:27] <rsalveti> getting it for manta should be easy then, at least same kernel version
[21:30] <rsalveti> let me know if you need help backporting to other devices
[21:30] <rsalveti> I can give it a try with maguro and manta
[21:34] <stgraber> rsalveti: https://github.com/stgraber/linux/commits/mako-lxc
[21:35] <stgraber> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5802901/ for the full diff, not nearly as small as I was hoping
[21:40] <rsalveti> stgraber: yeah, might need a bit of work to port it to 3.0 and 3.1
[21:40] <rsalveti> stgraber: then how to use it with our container? any change needed in userspace?
[21:40] <iBelieve> For my merge request (https://code.launchpad.net/~mdspencer/ubuntu-filemanager-app/improved-ui/+merge/171569), it is marked as Approved, but the status still Needs Review and it isn't merged. What needs to get done for it to be merged? I'm not very familar with merge requests.
[21:41] <stgraber> rsalveti: I have it ported to manta, will test build now. maguro is a whole other story though, that kernel is really old...
[21:42] <stgraber> rsalveti: userspace is fine, just do: lxc-attach --clear-env -n android /system/xbin/env PATH=/system/bin:/system/xbin sh
[21:42] <rsalveti> stgraber: yeah
[21:42] <stgraber> and you get a nice shell in the container
[21:42] <rsalveti> awesome
[21:45] <stgraber> rsalveti: hmm, manta appears to need gcc-4.6 which I don't quite have around, anyway, the branch is on my github (manta-lxc), so you should be able to just build that
[21:46] <stgraber> rsalveti: if that works for you and you want those into our official kernels, we'll have to chat with the kernel team and see how they feel about that delta (and have it properly reviewed, I'm not a kernel developer...)
[21:46] <rsalveti> stgraber: thanks, will give it a try
[21:46] <rsalveti> stgraber: is this just a backport?
[21:46] <rsalveti> if so, it might be easier at least
[21:48] <stgraber> rsalveti: it's a chery-pick from Eric's branches which landed in the upstream kernel, but because of all the changes caused by the userns, I couldn't just cherry-pick from upstream without bringing half of 3.8 along with it. So it's supposed to be very close to what's upstream but in a slightly older version, without userns and with some bits updated to fit the old 3.4 kernel.
[21:49] <rsalveti> right, so it should be fine to get them applied for our 3.4 based kernels at least
[21:49] <rsalveti> I'd guess a lot of more work would be needed for maguro and grouper
[21:51] <stgraber> yep, we'd likely have to backport a whole lot more commits to get that on 3.0/3.1 and change the patches quite a bit. I didn't remember it but 3.4 actually has a part of the initial set of userns patches which made integration pidns and mntns much easier than it'd have been otherwise.
[21:52] <stgraber> 3.0/3.1 however do not, so those patches will need some major rework or we'll need to backport a whole bunch of userns changes to make those happy
[21:53] <rsalveti> yeah
[21:55] <nik90> balloons: I am here now.
[21:57] <balloons> nik90, I wanted to get the outstanding merges in for the ap tests :-)
[21:57] <balloons> https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/ubuntu-clock-app/simplify_autopilot_tests/+merge/170096
[21:58] <nik90> balloons: I will ask omer to update that branch since a lot has changed since he proposed it (ui changes)
[21:58] <balloons> nik90, ohh I'm sure it has. I just wanted to know where it was left out,etc
[21:59] <balloons> isn't it superseded now by your branch?
[21:59] <nik90> balloons: yes. I recently chnaged the stopwatch UI and also managed to update my tests to work with them.
[22:00] <nik90> I however couldn't get the lap stopwatch test to work since I am unable to access the ListModel properly with autopilot
[22:03] <nik90> balloons: Would you like me to review the omer's MP and comment on what needs to be changed before it can be merged?
[22:14] <rsalveti> ogra_: seems we can't customize manta's kernel cmdline arguments
[22:14] <rsalveti> it just ignores it
[22:15] <iBelieve> For my merge request (https://code.launchpad.net/~mdspencer/ubuntu-filemanager-app/improved-ui/+merge/171569), it is marked as Approved, but the status still Needs Review and it isn't merged. What needs to get done for it to be merged? I'm not very familar with merge requests.
[22:22] <nik90> Kaleo: Is your https://code.launchpad.net/~fboucault/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/simple_theming/+merge/171645 provide support for adding background gradients?
[22:38] <ogra_> rsalveti, ah, crap
[22:38] <rsalveti> so we need to speed up the fix, or disable it in the kernel itself
[22:39] <ogra_> well, i think rtg is gone now
[22:40] <ogra_> so i doubt it will happen tonight ... i'll try to catch apw tomorrow first thing
[22:40] <ogra_> at least its only one kernel
[22:41] <rsalveti> stgraber: cool, also working fine with manta
[22:41] <rsalveti> stgraber: so I'd suggest to send the patches for both mako and manta, and see if we can get those in
[22:41] <rsalveti> ogra_: right
[23:06] <veebers> Hi all, I'm using an aliased command doing something like this to ssh into the Nexus 4: adb forward tcp:2222 tcp:22; ssh . . . But I'm constantly getting 'Connection to localhost closed.' out of the blue.  Is there something I can do to lessen/fix this?