[00:15] bjv: mir is being staged for inclusion [00:15] bjv: but not yet in === jhodapp|afk is now known as jhodapp === Guest82596 is now known as zumbi [00:41] how do i run a fully functional shell? [00:41] on desktop that is. === SkavenXXI is now known as SkavenXXI-[OFF] === ubuntu is now known as Guest71487 [01:01] RobbyF: huh? [01:28] RobbyF: I think you are asking for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes#Accessing_the_device_over_ADB === CarlosNeyPastor_ is now known as CarlosNeyPastor === jhodapp is now known as jhodapp|afk === CarlosNeyPastor_ is now known as CarlosNeyPastor [03:31] moin === dduffey_afk is now known as dduffey === phix_ is now known as phix [03:48] ubu: werd [03:50] phix: hm? [03:50] Replying to your "moin" [03:51] is english only here? [03:52] No idea, although English is the only language I will understand. [03:53] okay. :) [03:53] can i use that ubuntu touch for my sony xperia tipo dual? [03:55] popey: how goes Evaluating existing email clients and frameworks? [03:55] popey: any more promising than Trojitá? https://projects.flaska.net/projects/trojita/repository [03:56] bjv: Trojita is being considered, yes, we should have a decision soon and will let everybody know as soon as we do [03:57] cool. (longtime meego user, 2nd day playing with ubuntu-touch) [03:58] is there a runner up, beyond assembling fully custom client from parts? [04:02] what do you mean by "runner app"? [06:03] hi all [06:03] can ubuntu-touch run on top of android(which runs a linux kernel) [06:04] or do Ihave to buy a phone designed for ubuntu touch? [06:05] do any us companies cary ubuntu-touch phones.. or support running them? [06:31] good morning === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away [08:10] Hi everyone, I have a question about Dialog. I want to modify text of a Dialog out of the Dialog. To understand, this is my code: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5800857/ How can I do what I want? Or, there is a best way to do what I want (an error popup with custom text)? Thanks in advance :) [08:31] Good morning all, happy Chocolate Pudding Day! :-D [08:33] WebbyIT, define a property like "property string errorText" outside of the component [08:34] then define the popover text like "text: errorText" [08:35] kalikiana: thanks you :) [08:35] kalikiana: it's work :D [08:36] Saviq, I updated https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+bug/1194629 [08:36] Launchpad bug 1194629 in touch-preview-images "incoming call notifications missing avatar" [High,In progress] [08:36] MacSlow, cheers [08:39] MacSlow, I added lp:unity-notifications to the bug, too [08:39] and changed the title [08:40] Saviq, ok... proper solution is of course to support these hints in the backend... but that might take a bit longer than fixing phone-app directly. Just wanted to provide an easy/fast way out of the regression. [08:41] MacSlow, sure, of course, and thanks for that, will ping boiko about this later [08:41] Saviq, supporting "image_data" is going to be tricky... "image_path" should not be so much of an issue [08:41] MacSlow, or you could just MR against lp:phone-app :) [08:41] Saviq, can do an MR too np [08:42] MacSlow, yeah, we generally lack support for stuff like this, but I think it should be doable [08:43] MacSlow, I'm thinking an image provider with "image://data/$some_hash" [08:43] MacSlow, the backend would then inject the image data for the provider [08:43] MacSlow, and then get that $some_hash back [08:44] MacSlow, obviously memory management is important here, too [08:49] Saviq, MR is up [08:50] MacSlow, cheers === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr === b0bben_ is now known as b0bben [09:09] is there a list of translations for the .zip file names for saucy preinstalls? I have no idea which one is designed for my tablet. [09:09] which is you tablet? [09:09] galaxy 10.1 [09:10] did you look into the wiki page about ubuntu touch install? (mentioned in the topic) [09:12] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices there you can find your device [09:13] thank you, not supported yet. appreciate the help, though. [09:13] trissy: not officialy supported but community supported === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [09:30] does anybody know if the phablet-network-setup should work with the flapped image? [09:31] Might I ask if anyone knows the passwords for the default users? I am working from the Guest user and it's a bit annoying... [09:31] cant even seem to get into device settings [09:33] ajbiz11: was not it phablet user and phablet password [09:34] no, not for the default users on the lock screen... [09:34] and somehow my plam just got me into the "Device" settings tab... [09:35] ah, far right...got that down... === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [09:35] ajbiz11: what device do you use? [09:36] I am currently using an unoffical port: acclain [09:36] *acclaim [09:44] hmm 11:43:43 on the standby screen, 11:44 in the panel [09:45] i would say submit to the tracker, but i think the time is passed [09:46] I think the panel is correct, but the standby somehow lags behind a lot [09:46] Alright, can I use adb push/pull in the ubuntu_chroot? [09:47] ajbiz11, what is it you want to achieve? [09:47] you can use it in android ... the ubuntu chroot lives in /data/ubuntu [09:48] just prefix the target dir with that to copy inside the chroot [09:48] kalikiana, I would like to pull a file from my device to my PC, and oga_, thank you, that is what I needed... [10:12] FYI https://bugs.launchpad.net/phablet-tools/+bug/1194823 the clock bug [10:12] Launchpad bug 1194823 in Phablet Tools "Standby screen clock lags behind panel clock" [Undecided,New] [10:19] loicm: can I ask about the status of the new UbuntuShape widget? Is there a beta? [10:22] nik90: I plan to push a branch showing off the new features at the end of the week, not the final stuff though [10:22] nik90: what's your need for it? [10:23] I need it for the clock app visual design implementations === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [10:37] in a button definition, how to access the width and height of the top level MainView? [10:39] ns5, you probably want to do it the other way around; set the button's properties from outside [10:42] kalikiana: do you mean get screen width and height in MainView, and then caculate button width and height in MainView? [10:45] ns5, yes [10:46] kalikiana: that way button.qml would depend on variables which defined outside of it, is it a problem? [10:47] ns5, I'm saying I would set something like "width: myMainView.width / 3" on the button [10:47] to not have the button magically make assumptions on where it sits [10:49] if you for example later want to have it in a smaller area you can easily tweak it - but not if the button hard-codes its size [10:50] kalikiana: so I should give the MainView an id, so the button can find the height/width of the MainView by e.g. mymainview.height or mymainview.width? [10:50] ns5, I said the exact opposite, I guess I'm not explaining very well :-D [10:51] kalikiana: could you give me a simple example [10:52] ns5, maybe you can paste a small snippet showing your "button" to reduce the confusion, I might not think of the same thing as you [10:53] all I am thinking of is, simplified: MainView { id: myMain { Button { width: myMain.width } } === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle [10:53] any subclass of Button works in this example [10:55] kalikiana: mainview.qml: http://pastebin.com/qbiCGwrh simplepage.qml (with button): http://pastebin.com/qqjWDKNU [10:59] ns5, how about using simpleroot.width [10:59] my rule of thumb is, don't use parent properties outside of the file === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:01] hello [11:04] kalikiana: if parent is in the same file, it's ok to use its properties? [11:04] ogra_, do you know if CONFIG_DEVPTS_MULTIPLE_INSTANCES is enabled by default on latest flipped images (20130625 / grouper in my case)? [11:04] i think so ... [11:04] I'm trying to start a second container but start failed with lxc-start: Device or resource busy - failed to mount a new instance of '/dev/pts' [11:04] zgrep CONFIG_DEVPTS_MULTIPLE_INSTANCES /proc/config.gz [11:05] ns5, yes. that's my recommendation anyway - to keep things re-usable [11:05] # zgrep CONFIG_DEVPTS_MULTIPLE_INSTANCES /proc/config.gz [11:05] # CONFIG_DEVPTS_MULTIPLE_INSTANCES is not set [11:05] bah :/ === SkavenXXI-[OFF] is now known as SkavenXXI [11:09] jibel, file a bug then [11:09] apw, ^^^ [11:10] jibel, it is set on maguro btw === _salem is now known as salem_ [11:29] Kaleo: hey. How do I make a grid of items with the ubuntu shape? [11:29] Kaleo: which APIs would I need? QML has a grid view already right? Because we will have some variations of grid views on the design guides, but to what would they link? [11:43] ckpringle: show me the variations [11:43] ckpringle: but usually it's GridView [11:43] ckpringle: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qml-qtquick2-gridview.html [11:46] Kaleo, hey, can I ask you a quick qml question? ;-) [11:46] seb128: shoot [11:47] Kaleo, what's the recommended way to put buttons in a list that have the same margins as other list items? [11:47] Kaleo, like the "Add accounts..." button on that design: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OnlineAccounts?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=phone-accounts-top-none.png [11:48] Kaleo, should I just hardcode the margin as units.gu(2) which is what list item use? or is that a constant I can use === Nic is now known as Guest84342 [11:51] can ubuntu on sony xperia z [11:52] Kaleo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1194844 if that's better than the question [11:52] Launchpad bug 1194844 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "[ListItem] should provide an easy way to add a button entry with adequate spacing" [Undecided,New] [11:54] seb128: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5801273/ [11:55] Hello [11:55] can ubuntu touch on my xperia z? [11:56] Kaleo, thanks ... doesn't that defeat a bit the purpose of a SingleControl item though if the recommendation is to the use Base? ;-) [11:57] can ubuntu touch on my xperia z? [11:58] seb128: it does, I renamed the bug [11:58] Kaleo, btw I noticed the verticalCenter thing, could you/somebody from the sdk look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1190196 and tell me if that's a bug or not (I'm reluctant to add extra code to do the verticalCentering if the sdk toolkit should be doing it) [11:58] Launchpad bug 1190196 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "ListItem.Standard's control should be vertically centered" [Undecided,Confirmed] [11:58] Kaleo, thanks [11:59] Kaleo, do you recommend we use the ListItem.Base way or just keep using ListItem.SingleControl with wrong spacing knowing that it will fix itself once the sdk is fixed? [11:59] seb128: brilliant seb [12:00] seb128: thanks for your contribution [12:00] jibel, let me know the number and i'll get it fixed up [12:00] seb128: we should never merge broken things to products [12:00] seb128: ie. any hack, workaround is valid to make things work for the user [12:01] Kaleo, "thanks" I guess ... not sure if that patch is correct and it's a small one, so not sure if that's irony :p [12:01] seb128: though if you use ListItem.Base, make sure to add a FIXME with a link to the bug report [12:01] Kaleo, well, I don't like to add hacks because then the toolkit get fixed and your hacks break/are nont needed/... [12:02] seb128: agreed [12:02] Kaleo, I prefer to have visual glitches with correct code, that gives more insensitive to fix the real problem and it doesn't force you do come back later dropping the hacks [12:02] seb128: btw, the fix in SingleControl can't be difficult [12:02] seb128: the margin is exposed to it as the __contentsMargins property [12:02] seb128: and put users in pain [12:02] Kaleo, well, as long as the "product" is not a beta product, I agree that things should look right when you get close from production [12:04] Kaleo, anyway, thanks for the chats and the workarounds/suggestions, I think I've what I need (and I abused your time enough for a day ;-) [12:04] yw === jhodapp|afk is now known as jhodapp === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:19] apw, bug 1194850 [12:19] bug 1194850 in linux (Ubuntu) "CONFIG_DEVPTS_MULTIPLE_INSTANCES not set on grouper images" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1194850 === francisco is now known as Guest17761 === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|afk [13:05] is it me or is the camera icon the wrong way round in the camera app? i.e. when in photo mode it shows an icon of a video camera, and in video mode it shows an icon of a stills (SLR)? [13:08] popey: that is the right way around [13:08] the icon shows what the button does if you press it [13:09] it is not an indication of current mode [13:09] its inconsistent with the flash icon then [13:09] the flash icon indicates current mode [13:09] well, can't have everything [13:09] hah [13:09] obviously one of them must be wrong [13:10] in android it shows current mode, and you press to flip mode [13:10] and ios too [13:12] Arguably the photo/record button also indicates mode. Shows a shutter for photo and a red light/button for video. === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [13:22] Anyone know if it will be possible to create folders to organize apps? === mmrazik|afk is now known as mmrazik [13:30] esigolo: good question! [13:30] I've not seen that in the shell designs.. [13:31] I say this because today I had to organize my apps on android and I wondered how it would look for apps in touch [13:39] hi [13:41] hi Pol16 [13:47] popey: what the magic settings to make spelling suggestions show up? [13:48] popey: or is that not in the daily builds yet? [13:51] esigolo: how would you want to organize them? [13:52] by category i should expect [13:52] like putting all the games together [13:52] also as i want ! i mean creating folders for my favorite apps [13:53] utilities [13:53] esigolo, its much more search oriented, plus there will be categories which can expand and collapse [13:53] not sure if you can assign your own category [13:53] you can't do this on the desktop in a reasonable way, i doubt the phone will be any different [13:54] you'll already have a games category [13:55] but you can't add or remove things from it. if things don't happen to be categorized the way you want your only option is to open a text editor and start editing .desktop files [13:55] ali1234: in desktop mode but it is different in normal mode is very useful to be able to separate your apps any way you want [13:55] ali1234, so write a QML based .desktop file editor :) [13:56] i know, it's useful. i do in on android by just having multiple desktops [13:56] i put all the games (but only the ones i actually like) on one desktop [13:56] one for all the internet stuff, one for maps etc [13:56] i think this is pretty typical usage [13:56] Pol16: you can chat in here [13:57] Thanks mhall119 [14:01] Do we can at the moment add any app to the launcher in ubuntu phone? [14:02] Pol16: not yet.. [14:02] ok popey [14:03] are there any plans to have the device show up on the desktop when connected? [14:04] indeed [14:06] by what means, MTP? [14:06] and will that be soon? [14:06] either MTP or mass storage [14:07] * FunkyPenguin would rather mass storage than MTP === Guest98593 is now known as jrgifford [14:07] mass storage has problems [14:07] as does MTP ;) [14:08] like you can't access the files on the phone while it is exported === jrgifford is now known as Guest4305 [14:08] true, but my experience is that MTP is much slower at file transfer [14:08] it also forces you to use ntfs/vfat if you want to have it accessible on windows iirc [14:09] and i never want to access the files at the same time [14:09] there's no reason for MTP to be slower other than bad implementation [14:09] fair enough [14:09] yeah but it means you need to have a separate partition at the very least, and probably FAT as mentioned [14:10] ok next question, if I install evolution for email can i access it from the phone without too much hassle or will the display be utter boulderdash? [14:10] there is no X on the phone [14:11] so evo wont run [14:11] how is the image size and memory usage now compared with the first release? [14:11] ogra_: ah, that would indeed problematic [14:11] is it worth even trying to put the new version on galaxysmtd? [14:11] depends on the porter :) [14:12] and if he kept the HW image up to date [14:12] in that case could someone implement an ews extension to the mail app? [14:12] i didn't [14:12] I have some doubts about unity webapp integration in Ubuntu Touch, I mean how will they be installed? Will we have to go to a web page and then download a package from this web like in desktop? [14:12] the initial release only just fit [14:12] if im going to use my ubuphone for work i need exchange access [14:12] if it has grown at all it won't work [14:12] please? [14:12] mhall119: did you get my email btw? [14:13] ali1234, it dropped quite somw fat [14:13] *some [14:13] good [14:13] how has the porting process changed with the container switch? [14:14] we dont default to flipped containers with ports yet [14:14] you will still get the old setup [14:15] (and can use the old methods ... repo sync ... and brunch away ... ) [14:15] ok [14:15] so i just sync and rebuild and fix anything that broke? [14:15] right [14:15] Hi, has anyone experience with HTC Sensation? I want Ubuntu to the mobile phone flashing, but at step 4 it no longer goes on ... [14:15] any plans to I9000b? [14:16] i just uploaded the initrd package that will flipped containers possible on ports ... waiting for an archive admin to let it free from the "first upload quarantaine" [14:16] *will make [14:16] with flipped containers we'll still use the android kernel? [14:16] yes [14:17] but an ubuntu initrd to boot directly into the ubuntu rootfs [14:17] what about adb? [14:17] where we fire up an lxc container that runs android [14:17] adb is kind of ported over ... you can use it [14:17] adbd runs under ubuntu [14:17] ogra_, cyphermox... 3g is still broken on mako. I updated *both* bugs [14:18] bah [14:25] zsombi, ping [14:25] awe, hmm, would be intresting to see if these devices are seen if your USB cable isnt plugged in [14:25] tvoss_:pong [14:26] ogra_, I'll check... [14:26] awe, the behavior reminds me pretty much of what we had with the g_ether gadget module on the n7 desktop images [14:28] ogra_, reboot is still borked [14:28] ah...just slow [14:28] yeah, shutting down is awfully slow [14:28] ( although it failed after phablet-flash again this morning on mako ) [14:29] the boot is sstill awful as well [14:29] but starting to fix that before we have lightdm, proper session mgmt et cetc in place doesnt make sense [14:29] ogra_, yea... mako is *really* slow to boot [14:29] maguro too [14:30] http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/ubuntu-touch/bootchart-maguro.png [14:30] 39sec [14:30] I'm still waiting for mako [14:30] awe: adb reboot fails? Let me setup a loop [14:30] Ubuntu touch on a Mediatek MT6589 Quad Core 1.2GHz (Cortex A7) | http://askubuntu.com/q/312967 [14:31] sergiusens, it failed for me this morning... although perhaps it was just the fact that mako was taking a super long time to boot? [14:31] ogra_, looks like we may have a problem on mako... [14:31] no desktop, but system is up [14:32] and yes dear ogra_, the devices are there if my USB cable isn't plugged in... [14:32] awe, ok [14:33] lol [14:36] what does roomservice do? [14:37] ogra_, 'libPVROGL.so' not found on 20130626 flipped, that known? [14:38] awe, so to see if 3G persists when the devices dont kick in, how about adding a stub entry for each of them to /etc/network/interfaces (with noauto, so they get ignored all over) [14:38] Saviq, thats not fliped related, afauk it has always been like that [14:39] iirc rsalveti told me its harmless [14:39] ogra_, hmm unity8 bails out [14:39] $ unity8 [14:39] __pthread_gettid -2 [14:39] linkerlinker.c:1095| ERROR: Library 'libPVROGL.so' not found [14:39] linkerlinker.c:1095| ERROR: Library 'libPVROCL.so' not found [14:39] Cant find EGLConfig, returning null config [14:39] well, there is no OpneGL on arm :) [14:39] Aborted [14:39] so i dont see where such a lib would come from ... [14:40] ogra_, that's a freshly flashed maguro, ubuntu-touch-session didn't start... [14:40] * Saviq tries on manta [14:40] i think your error is the next line [14:40] ogra_, yeah, most probably [14:40] ogra_, let's discuss at the standup [14:40] awe, well, would be a quick test [14:41] * snwh is away: Away [14:41] ogra_, yes... but I'm not sure if you also saw that the shell fails to start on my mako as well??? [14:41] * snwh is back (gone 00:00:13) [14:41] Saviq: yeah, don't think libPVROGL is the cause here [14:41] ogra_, I will try the test, but I have something else I need to finish before the standup [14:41] awe, can we focus on one issue ? [14:41] just reboot [14:42] ogra_, sure we can focus on one... I'm just informing you that there are other problems [14:42] yes, i noticed [14:42] ok [14:44] Saviq, do you have a black screen or do you see the google logo ? [14:44] ogra_, google [14:45] hmm, let me sync and test myself [14:45] ogra_, manta seems to just reboot all the time (like WinXP!) [14:45] there were no changes that could have broken anything since yesterdays image [14:46] yeah [14:46] ogra_, last one I used was 0623 [14:46] 25 is working fine here [14:46] let me also flash 26 [14:46] well, if it reboots constantly it is likely not the ubuntu bootimg you use [14:47] since that stops into an adb session in the initramfs if something fails there [14:48] what's the plan for navigation? [14:48] rsalveti, oh, i lied ... there were kernel uploads ... they could indeed have broken something [14:48] ogra_: hm [14:49] It would be awesome if there was a polished openstreetmap based navigator [15:01] ogra_, is this what you meant by noauto? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5801720/ [15:01] ogra_: yeah, no shell with latest [15:02] awe, no there is usually a "auto " ... above the inet definition [15:02] sure, but the manpage says nothing about "noauto" [15:02] ogra_, how urgent is this LXC thing, ie does it need uploading [15:02] which is why I thought "manual" was the right thing [15:02] ogra_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5801738/ [15:03] apw: ^ [15:03] rsalveti, i blame apparmor then [15:03] seems latest kernel upload for mako broke it somehow [15:03] apw, which LXC thing ? [15:03] ops, maguro [15:03] let me flash mako [15:03] rsalveti, 10s is very short for that timeout [15:04] rsalveti, and am i right in reading it resolving itself ? [15:04] rsalveti, ie that there is only one whine for each firmware and so by 20s they are loaded ? === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [15:05] seems to be resolving itself, but still no shell [15:06] * ogra_ still waits for the sync to finish ... [15:06] i guess i'll have to wait until after the call [15:07] ogra_, rsalveti 0625 works fine on maguro [15:07] yeah, that was before the kernel update [15:07] Saviq, right, and only the kernel changed it seems [15:08] pretty easy to identify the package that broke it (not that it helps the cause much :P ) [15:09] apw, i think "iface rmnet_usb? inet" is enough (might be wrong though) [15:10] err [15:10] awe, ^^^ [15:10] ogra_, I'll try the 'manual' keyword like I posted above [15:10] ok [15:10] :) [15:13] ogra_: apw: mako is also busted [15:13] * ogra_ thought so, they got the same patches [15:13] (maguro had one more but a harmless one) [15:13] [ 26.258324] init: powerd main process (484) killed by SEGV signal [15:13] seems apparmor might be causing all these issues [15:14] yeah [15:14] probably not a crash in the kernel itself [15:14] ogra_, which patches, the apparmor ones ? [15:14] but it might be blocking stuff around [15:14] ogra_, they _all_ got those [15:14] apw, they were the same across all arches [15:14] apw, maguro got the ureadahread stuff additionally [15:14] ogra_, they were equivalent indeed, not identicle, but all 'tested' by security [15:14] but as i said, pretty harmless [15:15] ogra_: I'm not sure the quotes were warrnted there :) [15:15] jdstrand, :) [15:15] can someone recap the problem and why people think it is apparmor for jjohansen? [15:15] jdstrand, frankly it seemed you guys did a pretty thorough job on the testing side, more than is typically done [15:16] jdstrand, thats the only patchset all kernels got, and all arches start failing at the same time [15:16] jdstrand, also there were no other boot related changes [15:16] ogra_: oh that isn't good :( [15:16] ogra_: can you recap the issue for jjohansen? [15:16] ogra_, do we have apparmor userspace in these images and could that be related [15:16] it shouldn't [15:16] is lp:unity/8.0 supposed to rend itself unusable once one tries to open the dash with the sliding from the right edge? [15:17] apw, we have the sysvinit script and all it calls [15:17] ogra_, i will also say that i tested mako and manta on the device in a slightly older image [15:17] ogra_, ie those kernels cross built, before they were uploaded [15:17] the images are built with --no-install-recommends ... is there anything apparmor recommends that could break that heavily ? [15:17] I booted grouper and maguro [15:17] or should i not bother asking in here and just bug #ubuntu-unity? [15:17] ogra_: apw: jjohansen: there's no process under phablet user name [15:17] ogra_, so they do boot in some sense, though with older non-flipped images [15:18] apw, right, flipped can behave totally different [15:18] if someone could let jjohansen know what is failing, I'm quite sure he could help triage this (he just joined the channel) [15:18] i didn't see any apparmor issues there, but not tried a flippy with them, so kernel yes, but a side effect of flipping as well i would conjecture [15:18] apw, well, yesterdays image works fine [15:19] we run flipped since a while already [15:19] right, I know we have been testing flipped for a while [15:19] (not by default, but it has many regular testers) [15:19] ogra_, but my image was non-flipped i tested, and the kernel subbed in there worked ok [15:19] so my comment is more it must be related to a feature in the kernel only triggered in flipped mode [15:20] apw, right, that doesnt help much, the plan was actually to default to flipped today :) [15:20] so there could be a bug or conflict that didn't show up in the testing that was done [15:20] ogra_, the DEVPTS thing i have pushed to grouper, but i won't upload in case this requires an apparmor fix or whatever [15:20] the easiest first test would be to revert the apparmor patch [15:20] apw, yeah [15:20] jjohansen, well that is just the previous kernel [15:21] ogra_, i assume if you hand instlal the previous kernel in the image it works [15:21] ogra_, it would be a good test if not so tested [15:21] apw: okay, I wasn't sure if we had any other commits in the newest kernel [15:21] jjohansen, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5801738/ thats what rsalveti captured [15:21] jjohansen, on three of the four kernels just that single commit [15:21] apw, will, do, still in a call here, after that i can fiddle [15:21] ogra_, np [15:22] jjohansen, that rsalveti trace looks like firmware loads timeing out, which i can see would break the device [15:22] jjohansen, do we get involved in those in apparmor [15:22] should i be worried that after flashing my flipped mako today boot gets stuck on "Google" ? [15:22] for like 10 minutes [15:23] kenvandine, you can either be worried or read the backlog [15:23] kenvandine, that sounds like great behaviour to me [15:23] ah [15:23]