| === AaronThul_ is now known as AaronThul | ||
| greg-g | yay, replaced keyboard, now I have a p key again! | 04:55 |
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| greg-g | and ooo, new keyboard feel | 04:55 |
| greg-g | new *thinkpad* keyboard feel | 04:55 |
| greg-g | very important distinction | 04:55 |
| greg-g | now, if I can just find that last screw that I lost | 04:56 |
| snap-l | Good morning | 12:19 |
| brousch | yes | 12:21 |
| brousch | Though my heels hurt today | 12:21 |
| snap-l | brousch: Rough night in stripper heels last night? | 12:22 |
| brousch | No. My 4th day doing standing desk | 12:22 |
| snap-l | Ah. Liking the progress so far? | 12:23 |
| brousch | Yeah. My heels are the only issue so far | 12:25 |
| brousch | They hurt this morning, now they feel numb | 12:25 |
| rick_h | morning | 12:26 |
| snap-l | brousch: I think you might be overdoing it | 12:31 |
| rick_h | ok, politics aside, this TX thing is crazy | 12:33 |
| rick_h | talk about waking up to a crazy twitter stream | 12:33 |
| brousch | eh? | 12:34 |
| rick_h | really? You didn't see anything about this Texas Senate thing last night? | 12:35 |
| snap-l | I don't watch the news. | 12:35 |
| brousch | I don't either | 12:35 |
| brousch | I see it now | 12:35 |
| rick_h | man, it took over my twitter feed | 12:36 |
| snap-l | All I'm seeing in the NYT story is why we can't have nice things | 12:36 |
| rick_h | I don't either but it came from everywhere last night it seems. | 12:36 |
| brousch | I don't read twitter much either | 12:36 |
| brousch | snap-l: http://my.firedoglake.com/kitoconnell/2013/06/25/senator-wendy-davis-filibusters-sb5-anti-abortion-bill-in-texas-live/ | 12:36 |
| rick_h | snap-l: which one is that? | 12:36 |
| brousch | That seems good | 12:36 |
| snap-l | http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/27/us/politics/texas-abortion-bill.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 | 12:36 |
| snap-l | And all I know for certain is I'm not a woman, and thereby have 0% authority on this subject. :) | 12:38 |
| snap-l | For those of you who might think there is a rounding error, that's 0.00000000000000% | 12:39 |
| rick_h | I love that they did my old trick from college coding projects | 12:39 |
| rick_h | touching the modified times to force themto be on on time | 12:39 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Heh | 12:39 |
| rick_h | the fact that they got someone, to go onto the website and change dates is funny | 12:39 |
| snap-l | I thought it might have been the 10 hours standing in pink neakers filibustering. ;) | 12:39 |
| rick_h | that's crazy | 12:40 |
| rick_h | I mean there's a whole bunch of politics/womens rights stuff in there. but the whole thing is just nuts overall | 12:40 |
| snap-l | I love how it's a hot button issue for people for whom it has absolutely no bearing whatsoever | 12:41 |
| jrwren | brousch: i had the same standing desk transition issues. just power through, no big deal. | 13:06 |
| brousch | I will build 2" calluses | 13:09 |
| jrwren | stop pacing in place. | 13:09 |
| jrwren | focus on good standing posture. | 13:09 |
| brousch | I think I'm a heel stander | 13:12 |
| brousch | I have to consciously shift my weight forward | 13:12 |
| rick_h | my wife is a heel walker, I can't get her to change it much at all | 13:12 |
| rick_h | thuds on the wood floors as she thunders around the house...but don't tell her I told you that :) | 13:13 |
| brousch | Such lovely blackmail material | 13:13 |
| rick_h | hah | 13:13 |
| rick_h | "So um...yea that webgl stuff is kinda cool I guess..." http://microsoft-news.com/webgl-spdy3-new-dev-tools-more-confirmed-for-ie11-in-win-8-1/ | 13:15 |
| rick_h | and time to start using spdy on your servers now with FF/Chrome and soon IE supporting it! | 13:15 |
| jrwren | i don't know if i should trust the wii, but it said my balance was off so I try to adjust for that :) | 14:00 |
| jrwren | spdy3 ? | 14:00 |
| rick_h | jrwren must be 3rd gen spdy? | 14:01 |
| snap-l | Y'know there's just a certain magic to getting a makfile right | 14:01 |
| snap-l | but once you do, it's a beautiful thing | 14:01 |
| brousch | indeed | 14:01 |
| jrwren | http://www.pcworld.com/article/237878/can_you_do_real_work_with_the_30_year_old_ibm_5150_.html | 14:10 |
| jrwren | there is no magic to makefile if you know what they do. even the default macros aren't magic. they are beautiful and powerful. | 14:10 |
| jrwren | i just wish teh default macros were extensible. C/C++ only is kinda drab. | 14:10 |
| snap-l | jrwren: That article on the 5150 is interesting | 14:29 |
| snap-l | Wonder if the same could be said for the Atari 800. ;) | 14:30 |
| jrwren | VERY different machines. 1/20th the ram in an 800 IIRC | 14:38 |
| jrwren | no 80col mode :( | 14:38 |
| snap-l | jrwren: There's a terminal program that handles 80 col | 14:41 |
| snap-l | and on a monochrome monitor it's mostly usable. ;) | 14:42 |
| snap-l | And the 5150 shipped with 16K of RAM | 14:42 |
| snap-l | though it tops out at 512K (iirc) and not 64K. | 14:42 |
| jrwren | 640k according ot article. | 15:10 |
| jrwren | base model may have shipped with 16k, but this model had 640K | 15:11 |
| rick_h | ugh, so come Aug I won't be doing python or web dev work :/ | 15:13 |
| brousch | Sleeping all day? | 15:13 |
| rick_h | woot! | 15:13 |
| rick_h | Go :/ | 15:13 |
| brousch | That's used for actual things? | 15:13 |
| rick_h | juju :) | 15:14 |
| snap-l | rick_h: So is this a good thing? | 15:14 |
| rick_h | snap-l: not really...kind of a thought provoking thing | 15:14 |
| jrwren | you lucky bastard. | 15:14 |
| jrwren | go is awesome. | 15:14 |
| jrwren | python and webdev SUCK. | 15:15 |
| jrwren | terrible combo. | 15:15 |
| jrwren | i was doing a bunch yesterday and it dawned on me how many steps back it is from asp.net | 15:15 |
| jrwren | no local cache model FFS! what is this? 1995? | 15:15 |
| rick_h | huh? no local cache model? | 15:16 |
| jrwren | yes, or rather you have to write your own. | 15:17 |
| rick_h | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/dogpile.cache | 15:17 |
| jrwren | equiv of asp.net's Cache object | 15:17 |
| snap-l | Or god forbid use something like memcache. | 15:17 |
| jrwren | memcache has another place. | 15:17 |
| rick_h | it's python, it's been done | 15:17 |
| * rick_h goes to look at wtf asp.net's cache object is... | 15:18 | |
| jrwren | yes, that dogpile cache looks SWEET | 15:18 |
| snap-l | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms178597(v=vs.100).aspx | 15:18 |
| jrwren | don't bohter it is just a weak dictionary with timed out values. | 15:18 |
| rick_h | so wtf...you're angry that you need a dep to get caching in your app? | 15:18 |
| * snap-l bites tongue | 15:19 | |
| jrwren | i'm angry I don't already have the dep. | 15:19 |
| brousch | Django should have it all built in! | 15:19 |
| snap-l | [insert snarky thing about this isn't PHP] | 15:19 |
| jrwren | i'm angry because my environment was/is 5yrs old with 8yr old tech. | 15:19 |
| rick_h | caching is an anti-pattern :P | 15:19 |
| * rick_h runs away | 15:19 | |
| jrwren | yes, django SHOULD have that built in, and i'm angry because I'm using cherrypy 2.2 | 15:19 |
| jrwren | :p | 15:19 |
| snap-l | jrwren: What the hell are you on as an environment? CentOS 6? | 15:19 |
| jrwren | custom distroo | 15:20 |
| jrwren | based on rhel5 | 15:20 |
| snap-l | Oh FFS | 15:20 |
| jrwren | yes, it is a certain hell. | 15:20 |
| jrwren | still python26 | 15:20 |
| snap-l | you can sideload python 2.7 | 15:20 |
| snap-l | we do that on one of our Ubuntu 10.04 machines | 15:20 |
| jrwren | you miss the point :p | 15:20 |
| rick_h | jrwren: well, use dogpile. It's another mike bayer product to help replace the old pylons cache layer that basically got abandoned. | 15:21 |
| snap-l | No, I get the point. I'm in denial. ;) | 15:21 |
| rick_h | and does it a lot better | 15:21 |
| jrwren | yes, dogpile looks SWEET | 15:21 |
| jrwren | i'm also angry becuase... THREADS! GIL! | 15:21 |
| rick_h | for a web app? | 15:21 |
| rick_h | or something else? | 15:22 |
| brousch | threads are an anti-pattern! | 15:22 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Threading is for Java. ;) | 15:22 |
| rick_h | jrwren: and you can't easily do it with with multi-process module? | 15:22 |
| snap-l | Go green. Go green threads. ;) | 15:22 |
| jrwren | because I don't have threads and shmmem i use 2 processes producer/consumer and a file as the non shared mem. | 15:22 |
| jrwren | multiprocess MIGHT have worked, i'm unsure. | 15:22 |
| jrwren | this hack works, and then after that I was angry because json is slow :) | 15:23 |
| jrwren | json is really slow :) | 15:23 |
| rick_h | jrwren: using the build is json lib? | 15:23 |
| jrwren | yes, built in. | 15:23 |
| rick_h | jrwren: what python version are you on? | 15:23 |
| jrwren | 2.6 | 15:23 |
| jrwren | its ok. i'm just bitching. | 15:24 |
| jrwren | its just often i feel like i end up with bandaid on bandaid instead of doing the right thing | 15:24 |
| rick_h | jrwren: yea, I'm just checking when they pulled in simplejson which was faster because it used some c-extension bits | 15:24 |
| jrwren | and often those bandaids are because of python | 15:25 |
| jrwren | yes, I have an old simplejson and an old cjson already on there. | 15:25 |
| rick_h | well old doesn't help :P | 15:25 |
| jrwren | a huge part of the json slowness was solved by moving to cPickle | 15:25 |
| rick_h | cool | 15:25 |
| rick_h | yea, that'll live in C-land and be quick | 15:25 |
| jrwren | i'm just bitching. | 15:25 |
| snap-l | jrwren: We're just trying to keep you from pining for the Fjords. | 15:26 |
| rick_h | yea, bitching with reason is cool. And if I can kill a couple of reasons for you we all win :) | 15:26 |
| jrwren | probably bitching because what really should be done is the entire prod environment upgraded, and that is a big piece of work. | 15:26 |
| rick_h | ok, so the asp.net cache is varnish + dogpile | 15:29 |
| jrwren | oh, i wasn't even thinking of the varnish side of it. | 15:29 |
| jrwren | i could care less about page caching. | 15:29 |
| jrwren | really just wanted a cache object. | 15:30 |
| snap-l | https://soundcloud.com/mikewolters16/dm-m-podcast-062613 | 15:30 |
| brousch | Ew. This happens to you East siders? http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/1h3jst/fish_fly_season_in_michigan/ | 18:39 |
| snap-l | brousch: Yes, the closer you get to lake st. clair | 18:42 |
| snap-l | and yes, they're rather disgusting | 18:42 |
| rick_h | yea, down where my in-laws live it's crazy | 18:42 |
| rick_h | I guess you can't drive because the roads slick with bug guts | 18:42 |
| rick_h | lots of accidents every year | 18:42 |
| snap-l | I hadn't heard of them until I started dating JoDee | 18:42 |
| snap-l | and we experienced them first-hand in Macomb | 18:42 |
| brousch | That is nasty | 18:43 |
| brousch | Why would you live with that? | 18:43 |
| jrwren | its only once a year | 18:43 |
| jrwren | and most years aren't bad. | 18:43 |
| jrwren | its just the 2 yrs of the cycle that is bad. | 18:43 |
| rick_h | because it's for about two weeks and you get lake front living the rest of the time | 18:43 |
| snap-l | honestly they're the dumbest flies I've ever seen | 18:45 |
| snap-l | they just sit on things waiting for death | 18:45 |
| brousch | That's like 10% of the good weather months covered in flies | 18:45 |
| snap-l | they're the Bill Knapps of the insect world | 18:45 |
| snap-l | http://i.imgur.com/2DVKoCJ.jpg | 18:46 |
| rick_h | lmao | 18:46 |
| snap-l | OK, that's just nasty | 18:46 |
| brousch | Just one more reason I'll never move to Detroit | 18:47 |
| rick_h | yea, that's the thing that's blocking you lol | 18:48 |
| snap-l | Think of it as the east-side's answer to lake-effect snow. :) | 18:56 |
| snap-l | http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/1h3jst/fish_fly_season_in_michigan/caqnt15 | 18:58 |
| brousch | It's weird, but they get a lot more snow north and south of GR | 19:08 |
| brousch | My family in Niles gets way more snow every year | 19:09 |
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| === UTC is now known as greg-g | ||
| jrwren | zomg django! https://github.com/SoloTodo/django_bootstrap_registration | 20:27 |
| brousch | DJANGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO | 20:28 |
| jrwren | jcastro: learn something at fanzoo at 6pm. I'll meet you there, K? | 21:26 |
| jcastro | jrwren: I have house guests, can you tell them hi for me though? | 21:31 |
| jrwren | bring Jim. | 21:46 |
| jrwren | let merideth and jill have girl night :p | 21:46 |
| rick_h | hey, he didn't make it out to CHC he can't go to fanzoo :P | 23:05 |
| snap-l | Yeah, we get jcastro dibs first. | 23:11 |
| jrwren | no you don't. | 23:33 |
| jrwren | my meeting is 5miles away. your meeting is 50 miles away | 23:33 |
| snap-l | Our meeting has coffee | 23:35 |
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