[04:55] <greg-g> yay, replaced keyboard, now I have a p key again!
[04:55] <greg-g> and ooo, new keyboard feel
[04:55] <greg-g> new *thinkpad* keyboard feel
[04:55] <greg-g> very important distinction
[04:56] <greg-g> now, if I can just find that last screw that I lost
[12:19] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:21] <brousch> yes
[12:21] <brousch> Though my heels hurt today
[12:22] <snap-l> brousch: Rough night in stripper heels last night?
[12:22] <brousch> No. My 4th day doing standing desk
[12:23] <snap-l> Ah. Liking the progress so far?
[12:25] <brousch> Yeah. My heels are the only issue so far
[12:25] <brousch> They hurt this morning, now they feel numb
[12:26] <rick_h> morning
[12:31] <snap-l> brousch: I think you might be overdoing it
[12:33] <rick_h> ok, politics aside, this TX thing is crazy
[12:33] <rick_h> talk about waking up to a crazy twitter stream
[12:34] <brousch> eh?
[12:35] <rick_h> really? You didn't see anything about this Texas Senate thing last night?
[12:35] <snap-l> I don't watch the news.
[12:35] <brousch> I don't either
[12:35] <brousch> I see it now
[12:36] <rick_h> man, it took over my twitter feed
[12:36] <snap-l> All I'm seeing in the NYT story is why we can't have nice things
[12:36] <rick_h> I don't either but it came from everywhere last night it seems.
[12:36] <brousch> I don't read twitter much either
[12:36] <brousch> snap-l: http://my.firedoglake.com/kitoconnell/2013/06/25/senator-wendy-davis-filibusters-sb5-anti-abortion-bill-in-texas-live/
[12:36] <rick_h> snap-l: which one is that?
[12:36] <brousch> That seems good
[12:36] <snap-l> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/27/us/politics/texas-abortion-bill.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
[12:38] <snap-l> And all I know for certain is I'm not a woman, and thereby have 0% authority on this subject. :)
[12:39] <snap-l> For those of you who might think there is a rounding error, that's 0.00000000000000%
[12:39] <rick_h> I love that they did my old trick from college coding projects
[12:39] <rick_h> touching the modified times to force themto be on on time
[12:39] <snap-l> rick_h: Heh
[12:39] <rick_h> the fact that they got someone, to go onto the website and change dates is funny
[12:39] <snap-l> I thought it might have been the 10 hours standing in pink neakers filibustering. ;)
[12:40] <rick_h> that's crazy
[12:40] <rick_h> I mean there's a whole bunch of politics/womens rights stuff in there. but the whole thing is just nuts overall
[12:41] <snap-l> I love how it's a hot button issue for people for whom it has absolutely no bearing whatsoever
[13:06] <jrwren> brousch: i had the same standing desk transition issues. just power through, no big deal.
[13:09] <brousch> I will build 2" calluses
[13:09] <jrwren> stop pacing in place.
[13:09] <jrwren> focus on good standing posture.
[13:12] <brousch> I think I'm a heel stander
[13:12] <brousch> I have to consciously shift my weight forward
[13:12] <rick_h> my wife is a heel walker, I can't get her to change it much at all
[13:13] <rick_h> thuds on the wood floors as she thunders around the house...but don't tell her I told you that :)
[13:13] <brousch> Such lovely blackmail material
[13:13] <rick_h> hah
[13:15] <rick_h> "So um...yea that webgl stuff is kinda cool I guess..." http://microsoft-news.com/webgl-spdy3-new-dev-tools-more-confirmed-for-ie11-in-win-8-1/
[13:15] <rick_h> and time to start using spdy on your servers now with FF/Chrome and soon IE supporting it!
[14:00] <jrwren> i don't know if i should trust the wii, but it said my balance was off so I try to adjust for that :)
[14:00] <jrwren> spdy3 ?
[14:01] <rick_h>  jrwren must be 3rd gen spdy?
[14:01] <snap-l> Y'know there's just a certain magic to getting a makfile right
[14:01] <snap-l> but once you do, it's a beautiful thing
[14:01] <brousch> indeed
[14:10] <jrwren> http://www.pcworld.com/article/237878/can_you_do_real_work_with_the_30_year_old_ibm_5150_.html
[14:10] <jrwren> there is no magic to makefile if you know what they do. even the default macros aren't magic. they are beautiful and powerful.
[14:10] <jrwren> i just wish teh default macros were extensible. C/C++ only is kinda drab.
[14:29] <snap-l> jrwren: That article on the 5150 is interesting
[14:30] <snap-l> Wonder if the same could be said for the Atari 800. ;)
[14:38] <jrwren> VERY different machines. 1/20th the ram in an 800 IIRC
[14:38] <jrwren> no 80col mode :(
[14:41] <snap-l> jrwren: There's a terminal program that handles 80 col
[14:42] <snap-l> and on a monochrome monitor it's mostly usable. ;)
[14:42] <snap-l> And the 5150 shipped with 16K of RAM
[14:42] <snap-l> though it tops out at 512K (iirc) and not 64K.
[15:10] <jrwren> 640k according ot article.
[15:11] <jrwren> base model may have shipped with 16k, but this model had 640K
[15:13] <rick_h> ugh, so come Aug I won't be doing python or web dev work :/
[15:13] <brousch> Sleeping all day?
[15:13] <rick_h> woot!
[15:13] <rick_h> Go :/
[15:13] <brousch> That's used for actual things?
[15:14] <rick_h> juju :)
[15:14] <snap-l> rick_h: So is this a good thing?
[15:14] <rick_h> snap-l: not really...kind of a thought provoking thing
[15:14] <jrwren> you lucky bastard.
[15:14] <jrwren> go is awesome.
[15:15] <jrwren> python and webdev SUCK.
[15:15] <jrwren> terrible combo.
[15:15] <jrwren> i was doing a bunch yesterday and it dawned on me how many steps back it is from asp.net
[15:15] <jrwren> no local cache model FFS! what is this? 1995?
[15:16] <rick_h> huh? no local cache model?
[15:17] <jrwren> yes, or rather you have to write your own.
[15:17] <rick_h> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/dogpile.cache
[15:17] <jrwren> equiv of asp.net's Cache object
[15:17] <snap-l> Or god forbid use something like memcache.
[15:17] <jrwren> memcache has another place.
[15:17] <rick_h> it's python, it's been done
[15:18]  * rick_h goes to look at wtf asp.net's cache object is...
[15:18] <jrwren> yes, that dogpile cache looks SWEET
[15:18] <snap-l> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms178597(v=vs.100).aspx
[15:18] <jrwren> don't bohter it is just a weak dictionary with timed out values.
[15:18] <rick_h> so wtf...you're angry that you need a dep to get caching in your app?
[15:19]  * snap-l bites tongue
[15:19] <jrwren> i'm angry I don't already have the dep.
[15:19] <brousch> Django should have it all built in!
[15:19] <snap-l> [insert snarky thing about this isn't PHP]
[15:19] <jrwren> i'm angry because my environment was/is 5yrs old with 8yr old tech.
[15:19] <rick_h> caching is an anti-pattern :P
[15:19]  * rick_h runs away
[15:19] <jrwren> yes, django SHOULD have that built in, and i'm angry because I'm using cherrypy 2.2
[15:19] <jrwren> :p
[15:19] <snap-l> jrwren: What the hell are you on as an environment? CentOS 6?
[15:20] <jrwren> custom distroo
[15:20] <jrwren> based on rhel5
[15:20] <snap-l> Oh FFS
[15:20] <jrwren> yes, it is a certain hell.
[15:20] <jrwren> still python26
[15:20] <snap-l> you can sideload python 2.7
[15:20] <snap-l> we do that on one of our Ubuntu 10.04 machines
[15:20] <jrwren> you miss the point :p
[15:21] <rick_h> jrwren: well, use dogpile. It's another mike bayer product to help replace the old pylons cache layer that basically got abandoned.
[15:21] <snap-l> No, I get the point. I'm in denial. ;)
[15:21] <rick_h> and does it a lot better
[15:21] <jrwren> yes, dogpile looks SWEET
[15:21] <jrwren> i'm also angry becuase... THREADS! GIL!
[15:21] <rick_h> for a web app?
[15:22] <rick_h> or something else?
[15:22] <brousch> threads are an anti-pattern!
[15:22] <snap-l> jrwren: Threading is for Java. ;)
[15:22] <rick_h> jrwren: and you can't easily do it with with multi-process module?
[15:22] <snap-l> Go green. Go green threads. ;)
[15:22] <jrwren> because I don't have threads and shmmem i use 2 processes producer/consumer and a file as the non shared mem.
[15:22] <jrwren> multiprocess MIGHT have worked, i'm unsure.
[15:23] <jrwren> this hack works, and then after that I was angry because json is slow :)
[15:23] <jrwren> json is really slow :)
[15:23] <rick_h> jrwren: using the build is json lib?
[15:23] <jrwren> yes, built in.
[15:23] <rick_h> jrwren: what python version are you on?
[15:23] <jrwren> 2.6
[15:24] <jrwren> its ok. i'm just bitching.
[15:24] <jrwren> its just often i feel like i end up with bandaid on bandaid instead of doing the right thing
[15:24] <rick_h> jrwren: yea, I'm just checking when they pulled in simplejson which was faster because it used some c-extension bits
[15:25] <jrwren> and often those bandaids are because of python
[15:25] <jrwren> yes, I have an old simplejson and an old cjson already on there.
[15:25] <rick_h> well old doesn't help :P
[15:25] <jrwren> a huge part of the json slowness was solved by moving to cPickle
[15:25] <rick_h> cool
[15:25] <rick_h> yea, that'll live in C-land and be quick
[15:25] <jrwren> i'm just bitching.
[15:26] <snap-l> jrwren: We're just trying to keep you from pining for the Fjords.
[15:26] <rick_h> yea, bitching with reason is cool. And if I can kill a couple of reasons for you we all win :)
[15:26] <jrwren> probably bitching because what really should be done is the entire prod environment upgraded, and that is a big piece of work.
[15:29] <rick_h> ok, so the asp.net cache is varnish + dogpile
[15:29] <jrwren> oh, i wasn't even thinking of the varnish side of it.
[15:29] <jrwren> i could care less about page caching.
[15:30] <jrwren> really just wanted a cache object.
[15:30] <snap-l> https://soundcloud.com/mikewolters16/dm-m-podcast-062613
[18:39] <brousch> Ew. This happens to you East siders? http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/1h3jst/fish_fly_season_in_michigan/
[18:42] <snap-l> brousch: Yes, the closer you get to lake st. clair
[18:42] <snap-l> and yes, they're rather disgusting
[18:42] <rick_h> yea, down where my in-laws live it's crazy
[18:42] <rick_h> I guess you can't drive because the roads slick with bug guts
[18:42] <rick_h> lots of accidents every year
[18:42] <snap-l> I hadn't  heard of them until I started dating JoDee
[18:42] <snap-l> and we experienced them first-hand in Macomb
[18:43] <brousch> That is nasty
[18:43] <brousch> Why would you live with that?
[18:43] <jrwren> its only once a year
[18:43] <jrwren> and most years aren't bad.
[18:43] <jrwren> its just the 2 yrs of the cycle that is bad.
[18:43] <rick_h> because it's for about two weeks and you get lake front living the rest of the time
[18:45] <snap-l> honestly they're the dumbest flies I've ever seen
[18:45] <snap-l> they just sit on things waiting for death
[18:45] <brousch> That's like 10% of the good weather months covered in flies
[18:45] <snap-l> they're the Bill Knapps of the insect world
[18:46] <snap-l> http://i.imgur.com/2DVKoCJ.jpg
[18:46] <rick_h> lmao
[18:46] <snap-l> OK, that's just nasty
[18:47] <brousch> Just one more reason I'll never move to Detroit
[18:48] <rick_h> yea, that's the thing that's blocking you lol
[18:56] <snap-l> Think of it as the east-side's answer to lake-effect snow. :)
[18:58] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/1h3jst/fish_fly_season_in_michigan/caqnt15
[19:08] <brousch> It's weird, but they get a lot more snow north and south of GR
[19:09] <brousch> My family in Niles gets way more snow every year
[20:27] <jrwren> zomg django! https://github.com/SoloTodo/django_bootstrap_registration
[20:28] <brousch> DJANGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[21:26] <jrwren> jcastro: learn something at fanzoo at 6pm. I'll meet you there, K?
[21:31] <jcastro> jrwren: I have house guests, can you tell them hi for me though?
[21:46] <jrwren> bring Jim.
[21:46] <jrwren> let merideth and jill have girl night :p
[23:05] <rick_h> hey, he didn't make it out to CHC he can't go to fanzoo :P
[23:11] <snap-l> Yeah, we get jcastro dibs first.
[23:33] <jrwren> no you don't.
[23:33] <jrwren> my meeting is 5miles away. your meeting is 50 miles away
[23:35] <snap-l> Our meeting has coffee