=== AaronThul_ is now known as AaronThul [04:55] yay, replaced keyboard, now I have a p key again! [04:55] and ooo, new keyboard feel [04:55] new *thinkpad* keyboard feel [04:55] very important distinction [04:56] now, if I can just find that last screw that I lost [12:19] Good morning [12:21] yes [12:21] Though my heels hurt today [12:22] brousch: Rough night in stripper heels last night? [12:22] No. My 4th day doing standing desk [12:23] Ah. Liking the progress so far? [12:25] Yeah. My heels are the only issue so far [12:25] They hurt this morning, now they feel numb [12:26] morning [12:31] brousch: I think you might be overdoing it [12:33] ok, politics aside, this TX thing is crazy [12:33] talk about waking up to a crazy twitter stream [12:34] eh? [12:35] really? You didn't see anything about this Texas Senate thing last night? [12:35] I don't watch the news. [12:35] I don't either [12:35] I see it now [12:36] man, it took over my twitter feed [12:36] All I'm seeing in the NYT story is why we can't have nice things [12:36] I don't either but it came from everywhere last night it seems. [12:36] I don't read twitter much either [12:36] snap-l: http://my.firedoglake.com/kitoconnell/2013/06/25/senator-wendy-davis-filibusters-sb5-anti-abortion-bill-in-texas-live/ [12:36] snap-l: which one is that? [12:36] That seems good [12:36] http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/27/us/politics/texas-abortion-bill.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 [12:38] And all I know for certain is I'm not a woman, and thereby have 0% authority on this subject. :) [12:39] For those of you who might think there is a rounding error, that's 0.00000000000000% [12:39] I love that they did my old trick from college coding projects [12:39] touching the modified times to force themto be on on time [12:39] rick_h: Heh [12:39] the fact that they got someone, to go onto the website and change dates is funny [12:39] I thought it might have been the 10 hours standing in pink neakers filibustering. ;) [12:40] that's crazy [12:40] I mean there's a whole bunch of politics/womens rights stuff in there. but the whole thing is just nuts overall [12:41] I love how it's a hot button issue for people for whom it has absolutely no bearing whatsoever [13:06] brousch: i had the same standing desk transition issues. just power through, no big deal. [13:09] I will build 2" calluses [13:09] stop pacing in place. [13:09] focus on good standing posture. [13:12] I think I'm a heel stander [13:12] I have to consciously shift my weight forward [13:12] my wife is a heel walker, I can't get her to change it much at all [13:13] thuds on the wood floors as she thunders around the house...but don't tell her I told you that :) [13:13] Such lovely blackmail material [13:13] hah [13:15] "So um...yea that webgl stuff is kinda cool I guess..." http://microsoft-news.com/webgl-spdy3-new-dev-tools-more-confirmed-for-ie11-in-win-8-1/ [13:15] and time to start using spdy on your servers now with FF/Chrome and soon IE supporting it! [14:00] i don't know if i should trust the wii, but it said my balance was off so I try to adjust for that :) [14:00] spdy3 ? [14:01] jrwren must be 3rd gen spdy? [14:01] Y'know there's just a certain magic to getting a makfile right [14:01] but once you do, it's a beautiful thing [14:01] indeed [14:10] http://www.pcworld.com/article/237878/can_you_do_real_work_with_the_30_year_old_ibm_5150_.html [14:10] there is no magic to makefile if you know what they do. even the default macros aren't magic. they are beautiful and powerful. [14:10] i just wish teh default macros were extensible. C/C++ only is kinda drab. [14:29] jrwren: That article on the 5150 is interesting [14:30] Wonder if the same could be said for the Atari 800. ;) [14:38] VERY different machines. 1/20th the ram in an 800 IIRC [14:38] no 80col mode :( [14:41] jrwren: There's a terminal program that handles 80 col [14:42] and on a monochrome monitor it's mostly usable. ;) [14:42] And the 5150 shipped with 16K of RAM [14:42] though it tops out at 512K (iirc) and not 64K. [15:10] 640k according ot article. [15:11] base model may have shipped with 16k, but this model had 640K [15:13] ugh, so come Aug I won't be doing python or web dev work :/ [15:13] Sleeping all day? [15:13] woot! [15:13] Go :/ [15:13] That's used for actual things? [15:14] juju :) [15:14] rick_h: So is this a good thing? [15:14] snap-l: not really...kind of a thought provoking thing [15:14] you lucky bastard. [15:14] go is awesome. [15:15] python and webdev SUCK. [15:15] terrible combo. [15:15] i was doing a bunch yesterday and it dawned on me how many steps back it is from asp.net [15:15] no local cache model FFS! what is this? 1995? [15:16] huh? no local cache model? [15:17] yes, or rather you have to write your own. [15:17] https://pypi.python.org/pypi/dogpile.cache [15:17] equiv of asp.net's Cache object [15:17] Or god forbid use something like memcache. [15:17] memcache has another place. [15:17] it's python, it's been done [15:18] * rick_h goes to look at wtf asp.net's cache object is... [15:18] yes, that dogpile cache looks SWEET [15:18] http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms178597(v=vs.100).aspx [15:18] don't bohter it is just a weak dictionary with timed out values. [15:18] so wtf...you're angry that you need a dep to get caching in your app? [15:19] * snap-l bites tongue [15:19] i'm angry I don't already have the dep. [15:19] Django should have it all built in! [15:19] [insert snarky thing about this isn't PHP] [15:19] i'm angry because my environment was/is 5yrs old with 8yr old tech. [15:19] caching is an anti-pattern :P [15:19] * rick_h runs away [15:19] yes, django SHOULD have that built in, and i'm angry because I'm using cherrypy 2.2 [15:19] :p [15:19] jrwren: What the hell are you on as an environment? CentOS 6? [15:20] custom distroo [15:20] based on rhel5 [15:20] Oh FFS [15:20] yes, it is a certain hell. [15:20] still python26 [15:20] you can sideload python 2.7 [15:20] we do that on one of our Ubuntu 10.04 machines [15:20] you miss the point :p [15:21] jrwren: well, use dogpile. It's another mike bayer product to help replace the old pylons cache layer that basically got abandoned. [15:21] No, I get the point. I'm in denial. ;) [15:21] and does it a lot better [15:21] yes, dogpile looks SWEET [15:21] i'm also angry becuase... THREADS! GIL! [15:21] for a web app? [15:22] or something else? [15:22] threads are an anti-pattern! [15:22] jrwren: Threading is for Java. ;) [15:22] jrwren: and you can't easily do it with with multi-process module? [15:22] Go green. Go green threads. ;) [15:22] because I don't have threads and shmmem i use 2 processes producer/consumer and a file as the non shared mem. [15:22] multiprocess MIGHT have worked, i'm unsure. [15:23] this hack works, and then after that I was angry because json is slow :) [15:23] json is really slow :) [15:23] jrwren: using the build is json lib? [15:23] yes, built in. [15:23] jrwren: what python version are you on? [15:23] 2.6 [15:24] its ok. i'm just bitching. [15:24] its just often i feel like i end up with bandaid on bandaid instead of doing the right thing [15:24] jrwren: yea, I'm just checking when they pulled in simplejson which was faster because it used some c-extension bits [15:25] and often those bandaids are because of python [15:25] yes, I have an old simplejson and an old cjson already on there. [15:25] well old doesn't help :P [15:25] a huge part of the json slowness was solved by moving to cPickle [15:25] cool [15:25] yea, that'll live in C-land and be quick [15:25] i'm just bitching. [15:26] jrwren: We're just trying to keep you from pining for the Fjords. [15:26] yea, bitching with reason is cool. And if I can kill a couple of reasons for you we all win :) [15:26] probably bitching because what really should be done is the entire prod environment upgraded, and that is a big piece of work. [15:29] ok, so the asp.net cache is varnish + dogpile [15:29] oh, i wasn't even thinking of the varnish side of it. [15:29] i could care less about page caching. [15:30] really just wanted a cache object. [15:30] https://soundcloud.com/mikewolters16/dm-m-podcast-062613 [18:39] Ew. This happens to you East siders? http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/1h3jst/fish_fly_season_in_michigan/ [18:42] brousch: Yes, the closer you get to lake st. clair [18:42] and yes, they're rather disgusting [18:42] yea, down where my in-laws live it's crazy [18:42] I guess you can't drive because the roads slick with bug guts [18:42] lots of accidents every year [18:42] I hadn't heard of them until I started dating JoDee [18:42] and we experienced them first-hand in Macomb [18:43] That is nasty [18:43] Why would you live with that? [18:43] its only once a year [18:43] and most years aren't bad. [18:43] its just the 2 yrs of the cycle that is bad. [18:43] because it's for about two weeks and you get lake front living the rest of the time [18:45] honestly they're the dumbest flies I've ever seen [18:45] they just sit on things waiting for death [18:45] That's like 10% of the good weather months covered in flies [18:45] they're the Bill Knapps of the insect world [18:46] http://i.imgur.com/2DVKoCJ.jpg [18:46] lmao [18:46] OK, that's just nasty [18:47] Just one more reason I'll never move to Detroit [18:48] yea, that's the thing that's blocking you lol [18:56] Think of it as the east-side's answer to lake-effect snow. :) [18:58] http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/1h3jst/fish_fly_season_in_michigan/caqnt15 [19:08] It's weird, but they get a lot more snow north and south of GR [19:09] My family in Niles gets way more snow every year === greg-g is now known as UTC === UTC is now known as greg-g [20:27] zomg django! https://github.com/SoloTodo/django_bootstrap_registration [20:28] DJANGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO [21:26] jcastro: learn something at fanzoo at 6pm. I'll meet you there, K? [21:31] jrwren: I have house guests, can you tell them hi for me though? [21:46] bring Jim. [21:46] let merideth and jill have girl night :p [23:05] hey, he didn't make it out to CHC he can't go to fanzoo :P [23:11] Yeah, we get jcastro dibs first. [23:33] no you don't. [23:33] my meeting is 5miles away. your meeting is 50 miles away [23:35] Our meeting has coffee