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QuintasanDid anyone try to contact someone who has the @kubuntu account on Twitter?00:00
ScottKIIRC Darkwing did.00:01
Riddellsleep time, let's see what news tomorrow brings00:02
QuintasanRiddell: Good night.00:02
QuintasanNiiiiice00:06
yofellets see how much the googlesphere cares https://plus.google.com/100951374600950862471/posts/VVxNPRCbSyQ00:07
Quintasanwacomtablet 2.0 in saucy00:07
QuintasanWe should have better support for those in saucy now00:08
=== yofel changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | https://trello.com/kubuntu | https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas 4.10.90 WIP, most of 4.10.80 in saucy, moving ones stuck in -proposed to -release, raring: kubuntu-ppa/beta | 4.10.4 in raring-proposed
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Quintasanharr00:10
Quintasan4.10.90 is up already?00:10
yofelI'll try to do the initial upload before going to bed00:10
Quintasanyofel: Can I try doing that?00:10
yofelQuintasan: go ahead, do you have the bandwidth for it?00:10
QuintasanBecause I have no idea how to use that script and that needs fixing00:10
QuintasanI believe I do00:11
yofelcertainly00:11
yofelif you never ran it yet, see README00:11
yofelyou need at least the ssh config, and bzr-buildpackage-ppa has to be in PATH00:12
* yofel needs to move that to kubuntu-dev-tools one day...00:12
QuintasanHost key verification failed.00:12
Quintasanhuh00:12
yofelfor what part?00:13
Quintasan╰─$ ./kdesc-package-names 4.10.90 > kdesc-packages-saucy.txt00:13
yofelwait00:14
yofelyou shouldn't need to do that00:15
yofelactually, if you do that you need to remove qyoto and kimono from the result00:15
QuintasanWell, doing initial upload then00:16
Quintasan4.10.90 is beta or alpha?00:16
yofelbeta200:16
Quintasanyofel: I need to grab all the tarballs myself, right?00:17
yofelno, the script does that00:17
* Quintasan does ssh-add00:18
QuintasanI'm probably going to pull an allnighter.00:19
yofeldo that, if the script causes problems, I'll be awake for another half an hour I think00:20
manchickenshadeslayer: You there?00:21
Quintasanmanchicken: He is probably asleep, what do you need help with?00:26
Quintasanyofel: pls add libdistro-info-perl is welcome to have in README00:27
manchickenQuintasan: He was going to get me into some of the automated tests.00:27
Quintasanoh00:27
QuintasanI can't help you with that unfortunately00:27
* Quintasan hits shadeslayer with hammer00:27
yofelwhy don't you have devscripts installed o.O?00:28
QuintasanI do00:28
QuintasanIt's not pulled it, at least not in raring00:28
manchickenQuintasan: Yeah, it sounded like a neat thing to do.00:28
manchickenQuintasan: I haven't helped with the project for a long time, and I thought it'd be a useful way for me to get back into it.00:29
Quintasanyofel: So generally this script does all the debuild magic00:29
Quintasanand then I just do dput *.changes?00:29
yofelit does recommend it00:29
Quintasanyofel: Maybe I used --no-install-recomends then00:29
yofelQuintasan: debsign and dput, right00:29
yofelyou get things finished to dput in upload/00:30
yofeland stuff that didn't build in manual/00:30
Quintasank00:30
manchickenQuintasan: Is there something small that we need help with? I'm pretty awful at packaging, but I'm excellent with code.00:37
manchickenI'm looking at the list that Riddell gave me, I don't see any low hanging fruit.00:37
Quintasanmanchicken: I'm afraid not, at least now00:37
manchickenI suspect that this is on account of it all having been grabbed :)00:37
yofelwell, the 13.10 todo list is on https://trello.com/board/13-10/515d717b729ef4844900132800:38
manchickenI submitted a bug for CUnit a short while ago, but it appears to be a problem with the package.00:39
manchickenyofel: Yeah, that's where I was looking.00:39
Quintasanmanchicken: You might investigate out knetattach patches and ask upstream about them00:39
manchickenQuintasan: Where are the patches, and is there a bug that they were intended to fix?00:40
Quintasanplus if we are talking about code stuff00:40
QuintasanI would like to see the PolicyKit KCM coming back00:40
Quintasanmanchicken: We want to send those patches upstream00:40
yofelyou mean you want to see a rewrite of said KCM. What I saw last was rubbish00:41
QuintasanI see00:41
manchickenIs that the settings screen?00:41
yofelyeah00:42
yofelhttp://quickgit.kde.org/?p=polkit-kde-kcmodules-1.git was it I think00:42
manchickenThe Mac-style one that we re-did in 2007-2008?00:42
Quintasanyes00:42
manchickenHeh00:42
Quintasanthis is rubbish and we need something that works00:42
Quintasaneven better00:42
QuintasanKDE needs something that works00:43
manchickenWell, does it need a rewrite or just a decent refactoring?00:43
manchickenI dropped off the project right as they were starting motion on that.00:43
Quintasanmanchicken: as yofel said it's rubbish00:44
QuintasanI think it needs a rewrite00:44
manchickenThat was a big part of the UDS-Sevilla development effort at the summit.00:44
yofelit might be usable, not sure00:44
manchickenWell, if memory serves me correctly, the whole infrastructure for those plugins is problematic.00:44
QuintasanThat said there is a simplier task at hand if you want manchicken00:45
Quintasanbzr branch lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-runtime00:45
Quintasangrab this00:45
yofelmy last try didn't really work (I think it just crashed), and it installs stuff where it shouldn't00:45
Quintasango to debian/patches and submit knetattach patches upstream00:45
manchickenyofel: Isn't that the same thing that we use for settings now?00:46
manchickenI haven't dug too deep into it, and it wouldn't surprise me if we were using something custom.00:46
yofelwe don't - in fact we ship nothing00:46
manchickenyofel: What is System Settings then?00:47
manchickenOr have I misunderstood entirely what you're talking about?00:47
yofelmanchicken: system settings is a general UI for managing the configuration.00:47
Quintasanmanchicken: ah lol, System Setting is the whole UI00:47
QuintasanKCM is like a part of it00:47
yofelwhat we talk about is one of the KDE-Configuration-Modules00:47
QuintasanSay when you go to Nepomuk or Phonon configuration00:47
Quintasanthose are KCM's00:48
yofelah, found what I was looking for00:48
yofelhttp://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-release-team&m=135109304619893&w=200:48
yofelthat was the last people were saying about that thing00:48
ScottKmanchicken managed to keep adept working, so he's probably up for whatever when it comes to awful code.00:50
manchickenHeh00:50
manchickenScottK: Is that what passes for a vote of confidence these days?00:50
ScottKMore of an introduction into the pain you've already survived for the new people.00:51
* yofel never looked at the adept code, and suddenly feels like he should be happy about that...00:52
manchickenOkay, that's better. I can live with that.00:52
manchickenyofel: You have no idea :)00:52
Quintasanwhat what manchicken was the one doing that?00:52
Quintasankubotu: order beer for manchicken00:52
* kubotu gives manchicken a nice frosty mug of beer.00:52
ScottKHe didn't write it, he kept it alive.00:52
Quintasanyes, that's why he gets a beer00:53
Quintasan:P00:53
manchickenyofel: It was like a twisted mess of scatterbrained genius, like someone started off doing C++, then switched to C, then went back and forth a bunch, then a tornado went through and mixed it all up.00:53
QuintasanUhh00:53
Quintasanthat sounds apacheloggerish00:53
yofelnah, just like proper enterprise design00:53
manchickenI don't remember who wrote it originally, but it was brilliant in its madness.00:54
manchickenOnce you figured out the code it wasn't that hard to work with... but whenever you had a crash, good effin' luck finding it.00:54
manchickenThat was my first introduction to C++ and Qt... so yeah.00:55
Quintasanenterprise design you say?00:55
manchickenNow adays I maintain billing code for telecoms which was originally written in COBOL but was programmatically converted to C... so I suppose I've made a career of swimming in filth.00:55
* Quintasan looks for the abomination00:55
Quintasanyofel: https://github.com/Mikkeren/FizzBuzzEnterpriseEdition00:56
yofelurgh00:56
QuintasanHave fun00:56
yofelthough I don't really have an accurate opinion on COBOL. All of the COBOL I know comes from TheDailyWTF :D00:56
manchickenyofel: I've never worked with COBOL.00:57
manchickenyofel: I have only worked with the code that was converted to C.00:57
ScottKCOBOL was fine in it's day (although the time I dropped a deck of punch cards sucked mightily)00:57
* ScottK took it in college, but has never used it in anger.00:57
manchickenCOBOL isn't something you use in anger, it's something you use with anger.00:58
yofelQuintasan: <300:58
Quintasanlol01:00
manchickenQuintasan: So where are these changes? Or are you saying I need to make a patch based on the changes you gave me and the current latest KDE version?01:05
Quintasanmanchicken: Nah, actually its a trivial task, basically you have to talk to upstream (KDE) people, preferably the person working on knetattach and asking him if he can merge the patches in the code so we can drop them in our pacakaging01:08
manchickenShouldn't I have some basic understanding of what the changes are?01:09
manchickenSeems like it might be of at least moderate importance.01:09
Quintasanmanchicken: I'm assuming you will at least look at them :P01:12
manchickenI don't know what the changes are :)01:14
manchickenI guess I could look at the logs.01:14
Quintasanmanchicken: The patches are in our packaging01:15
Quintasanbzr branch lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-runtime01:15
manchickenAre you guys going to be on for like another hour?01:19
manchickenI need to get 4mi in tonight.01:19
manchickenAt least.01:19
manchickenI don't have to leave the house until 8:30 tomorrow, so I was gonna hang on for a bit tonight to see if I could actually accomplish something.01:21
manchickenWork won't let me get anything done, so I might as well get something done here.01:21
QuintasanI'm going to bed soon01:22
Quintasan3 in the morning here01:22
manchickenNice01:22
manchickenDo you think you could email me any details you have about this - if you have any?01:22
manchickenand is this just the kubuntu_nodisplay_knetattach.diff patch?01:23
Quintasanmanchicken: kubuntu_nodisplay_knetattach.diff kubuntu_oxygenify_knetattach_icon.diff01:32
manchickenSo those are pretty tiny patches.01:33
manchickenI'll see if I can figure out how to submit those.01:33
manchickenIt looks like I made it to the Disabled Developers group on kde.org.01:33
manchickenWhy folder-new and not knetattach for the icon?01:33
Quintasanmanchicken: Yes, this task is pretty trivial. Honestly I thought you are one of the new people so I didn't want to throw major stuff right off the bat :P01:33
manchickenJust an icon change?01:34
manchickenQuintasan: Well, I need to get all of my accounts fired back up.01:34
manchickenThis will help :)01:34
QuintasanI'd rather have you do the policykit kcm, I would do that but I suck at coding and uni having me attend java lectures does not help Qt development at all01:35
Quintasanaw damn01:37
QuintasanI really need sleep01:37
Quintasanyofel: I threw the upload, there are 4 broken packages01:37
Quintasanwill sort that out in the morning01:37
manchickenQuintasan: I can do this patch stuff and then I will look at the KCM stuff.01:44
manchickenDoes anybody else have the rationale for this change in their brain?01:45
Quintasanargh01:50
Quintasannot brain01:51
* Quintasan hits the bed01:51
Quintasangood night01:51
ScottKmanchicken: Still around?02:22
ScottKhttp://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/#kubuntu presents some interesting opportunities.02:23
ScottKkdeartwork is just packaging.  I'm fixing that.02:23
ScottKI suspect https://launchpadlibrarian.net/143047036/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-armhf.calligra_1%3A2.6.92-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz is somehow related to qreal not being the same as double on arm, but no idea beyond that.02:26
manchickenScottK: I am now.02:37
manchickenJust finished my run02:37
ScottKK02:37
ScottKIf you want something to roll up your sleeves with, have a look at that build failure log.  It, of course, works on everything but arm. 02:38
ScottKThat and the things that fail are called double something.02:39
ScottKMakes me think something is really a qreal and the whole thing needs to be qreal.02:39
ScottKBut I know zip at Qt/C++ so once it's more complicated than qreal(2.0), I'm done.02:40
ScottKI have arm boxes we can test build it if you get an idea.02:40
ScottKBe back later.02:42
manchickenI'll look in a minute.02:49
manchickenI just spent ten minutes trying to figure out why a machine wasn't responding on the network just to discover it had gone to sleep.02:51
manchickenScottK: Howdy03:12
manchickenScottK: You got the code for /build/buildd/calligra-2.6.92/krita/image/kis_filter_weights_applicator.h ?03:14
ScottKpull-lp-source calligra03:15
ScottKinstall ubuntu-dev-tools if you don't have it03:15
skaetScottK, Riddell - link with outline to be filled in with release notes is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/Alpha1/Kubuntu03:23
ahoneybunvalorie: I hardly think making one package with the help of like 2 people makes me a packager lol03:26
ahoneybunRiddell: I see error message03:26
manchickenBack in a minute... I have to boot into Windows to upload my run data. I'll be back in a minute.03:41
manchickenThis is weird... if I have fr in my language variable, but en_US sorted first, some programs - particularly on the command-line - pick fr first.05:04
manchickenScottK: Your problem is that you're implicitly coercing a double to a qint32.05:09
manchickenScottK: I'm surprised that this only complains on arm.05:15
ScottKIt might have given a warning elsewhere.05:16
ScottKShoot me a diff and I'll try to build it.05:16
ScottKmanchicken: ^^^05:17
manchickenWell, there are two problems...05:17
ScottKOK05:17
manchicken1, you've got potentially 8-bytes you're trying to coerce into a fixed 4-bytes. 2, you've potentially got precision in your 8 bytes that you'll lose in the process.05:18
manchickenScratch that, for #2 you have known precision that you're losing.05:20
manchickenYou will lose precision.05:20
manchickenThis is the line it's complaining about:         return pixel_l + qreal(0.5);05:20
ScottKOK05:21
manchickenYou totally lose precision there, picking it implicitly.05:21
manchickenI think you could fix this like this: return KisFixedPoint(pixel_l + qreal(0.5));05:21
ScottKOK.05:22
ScottKShall we try it?05:22
manchickenErr, sorry05:23
manchicken return pixel_l + KisFixedPoint(qreal(0.5));05:23
ScottKShould I try to build it with that line changed?05:23
manchickenThat should do it.05:23
ScottKOK05:23
manchickenTry that.05:23
ScottKWill do.05:24
manchickenI'd do it, but you've already got it building :)05:24
ScottKYou don't have arm hardware, do you?05:24
manchickenSomething similar on lines 301 and 305.05:24
ScottKRemember the part where I don't do C++ or Qt?05:24
manchickenNaw, I don't.05:25
ScottKI need copy/paste, not similar ...05:25
manchickenHeh05:25
ScottKNot kidding.05:25
ScottKI can package the shit out of stuff, but coding in anything but python is a no go.05:25
ScottKDo you have any experience with OpenGL programming?05:26
manchickenPastebining.05:26
ScottKThanks.05:26
manchickenNo, I haven't done much (any) of that.05:26
ScottKInterested in learning?05:26
ScottKMost, if not all, of the remaining armhf build failures are due to the fact that we have only GLES on arm and not GL.05:27
ScottKAnd those packages make direct GL calls, which then fail.05:27
ScottKThey could use some kind of porting so they could work with either, but that exhausts my knowledge.05:28
manchickenI could, but I'd need someone to bug a lot.05:28
mgraesslinwhich packages are you talking about?05:29
ScottKNot tonight, anyway, it's getting late for me.  I'm going to kick off this build and then sleep.05:29
ScottKmgraesslin: I'll get a list.05:29
* mgraesslin thinks that most devs using OpenGL have no idea what OpenGL ES doesn't allow05:30
manchickenhttp://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5803733/05:30
manchickenScottK: That's my best stab at it... it's been a while since I've played in C++ land... I do mostly C these days at work, so I'm a bit rusty.05:31
ScottKYou can find build logs linked on http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/#kubuntu for digikam, kalzium, ksudoko and kubrik05:31
ScottKmanchicken: We'll try it.  Welcome back.05:31
ScottKmgraesslin: I may be off base in my diagnosis of the problem too.  I'm out of my depth with this.05:31
manchickenScottK: Well it's not like I get to do neat stuff at work...05:32
manchickenScottK: When I was consulting I got to do neat stuff... this job I've had for a year just doesn't let me do squat.05:32
ScottKEven more reason to hang around with us.05:32
mgraesslinjust looked into it for Kubrik05:33
manchickenScottK: Well, that, and the free beer.05:33
mgraesslinseems like there are conflicting typedefs05:33
manchickenScottK: Free as in beer means free beer, right?05:33
ScottKsure.05:33
mgraesslindigikam is easy: they use OpenGL 105:33
mgraesslinglBegin...05:34
ScottKEasy for you ...05:34
manchickenmgraesslin: Are the arms little endian like Intel?05:34
mgraesslineasy to recognize05:34
mgraesslinnot easy to fix05:34
manchickenI haven't programmed for arm outside of Obj-C for iOS or Java for Android.05:34
mgraesslinin KWin we have that code in an ifdef KWIN_BUILD_OPENGL105:34
manchicken(and Perl for android)05:34
mgraesslinmanchicken: AFAIK they are little05:35
mgraesslinI wish they were big, as we have changes in KWin which might broke on big endian05:35
manchickenDo you know what the word size is?05:35
manchickenmgraesslin: You can always get an Itanium box, right? heh05:35
mgraesslinwell I tried to setup a VM with powerpc05:36
ScottKEven Debian is about to drop ia64 support.05:36
mgraesslinbut so far failed to get non-x86 VMs running05:36
manchickenScottK: Really? Don't they still support Amiga?05:36
mgraesslinneed to invest more time into it - yesterdays commit by ScottK highlighted that it's not a solution to not build on arm05:37
manchickenmgraesslin: No joke, especially with cheap chromebooks.05:37
mgraesslinmanchicken: google says arm has a word size of 4 byte05:37
manchickenmgraesslin: Maybe I'll sell this Galaxy S3 I have and buy a chromebook.05:37
ScottKThose qreal/double ones are about as complex as I can handle.05:37
manchickenmgraesslin: Well that's good, at least it's not that different as far as nuts and bolts go then.05:37
manchickenScottK: You're lucky, I had a piece of crap bug like that at work today so it's fresh in my brain.05:38
ScottK;-)05:38
manchickenThough the problem at work had to do with some moron casting a 16-byte long double to a 4-byte integer, losing precision, and flipping the sign bit in some cases to boot.05:38
ScottKFun.05:39
manchickenWe were using that for sales tax calculation for California... so yeah... I get to re-calculate three years worth of sales taxes I'm pretty sure.05:39
mgraesslinI just enabled C++11 yesterday and I know we still have some areas which won't build on arm now05:39
ScottKNice.05:39
manchickenFor mobile phone purchases for the #3 mobile carrier in the United States...05:39
ScottKThat'll be a fun one to explain to management.05:40
manchickenmgraesslin: I wonder if I could get this stuff to build on a N7.05:40
manchickenmgraesslin: Do the chromebooks play nice like most normal intels, (U)EFI boots and all that?05:40
mgraesslinI haven't seen one yet05:41
manchickenWhich arm do you work with?05:41
mgraesslinPandaboard05:41
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* ScottK has Efika MX with ancient crap vendor kernels that now require a specialized eglibc build to work.05:42
manchickenI've never heard of that one.05:42
mgraesslinoh and a raspberrypi05:42
* mgraesslin got KWin rendering one frame on it05:42
manchickenNICE!05:42
mgraesslinthen it crashes05:43
ScottKmanchicken: Don't worry about them, you can't get them anymore.05:43
mgraesslinshould try again some time - with Wayland it should work05:43
ScottKSpeaking of which, did you see Riddell's blog post?05:43
manchickenMe? I didn't know he had a blog.05:43
mgraesslinyes05:44
ScottKIt's on both planet Ubuntu and planet KDE.05:44
ScottKThat was directed at Martin though.05:44
mgraesslinScottK: will you be at Akademy/Kubuntu developer summit?05:45
ScottKNo.05:45
ScottKI live on the wrong side of the Atlantic/can't afford the time off.05:45
mgraesslinyeah - always a problem05:45
manchickenNice05:46
manchickenI could probably get work to consent to letting me go... but I doubt I could afford it.05:46
manchickenWhen I did UDS in 2007 it was on Shuttleworth's dime.05:47
manchickenAnd I did well to thank him for it by having kids and disappearing :)05:47
soeegood morning05:47
ScottKGood morning.05:47
manchickenI think it's time for me to say good night.05:48
manchickenI've gotta do the whole job thing tomorrow.05:48
manchickenHopefully something interesting happens.05:48
ScottKGood night.  Thanks for the suggestions.05:48
manchickenNo problem. I'll see you around.05:49
ScottKI'll crash too as soon as I get this build kicked off.05:49
mgraesslinit's close to 11 in your part of the world?05:49
ScottKNo, 2am.05:49
manchickenI've got 0049.05:49
mgraesslinthat's worse05:49
manchickenI'm UTC-050005:49
manchickenLater all.05:50
* ScottK should have gone to sleep two hours ago, but I suck at going to sleep when I should.05:50
ScottKI'm -040005:50
ScottKgood night05:50
mgraesslingood night05:50
ScottKNot sure how connected I was a minute ago.06:09
ScottKQuintasan: Please update the kdeartwork packaging from bzr.06:09
ScottKSorry if that's a dupe.06:09
palassoYou just made my day thank you thank you thank you! http://blogs.kde.org/2013/06/26/kubuntu-wont-be-switching-mir-or-xmir06:13
ScottKRiddell: ^^^06:15
palassoHey, I noticed a bug on Kubuntu.... Ubuntu WONTFIX it because Mark Shuttleworth thinks it's fixed... Maybe it should be assigned to Kubuntu :D https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/106:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]06:22
ScottKpalasso: It's all how you define the market.  If you include smartphones and tablets, they don't.06:29
mgraesslinwhich means the bug is nowadays invalid but not fixed as the market was clearly defined06:30
palassoYes that's true and basically that was the explanation Mark gave but I personally believe that there were different motivations for the answer06:31
mgraesslinbut well, nothing I should care about...06:31
palasso1. Unity definitely is alienating to ppl who are used to classic windows, it definitely doesn't have the purpose to convert windows users to linux 2. MSFT is now a big customer of Canonical in the Cloud market06:32
valorieI understand what they want - one interface on everything06:33
valorieand it sort of makes sense06:33
valorieit's not fully free, though06:34
valorieand they shouldn't pretend that it is06:34
palasso^ +106:35
valorieI feel the same way I feel about android -- somewhat free is better than totally locked down, but I'm not interested in helping06:35
ScottKWhich is all rather off topic for Kubuntu devel anyway.06:36
valoriesorry, ScottK06:37
ScottKRiddell: kdeartwork built on all archs now.06:38
ScottKcalligra test build in progress, but it won't complete for hours, so time for sleep.06:38
valoriesweet dreams06:39
smartboyhwHey guys, how are we at Alpha 1 testing?06:47
lordievadersmartboyhw: I'm going to test the 64bit image this afternoon/evening.06:55
smartboyhwlordievader, great.06:55
=== smartboyhw changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | https://trello.com/kubuntu | https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas 4.10.90 WIP, most of 4.10.80 in saucy, moving ones stuck in -proposed to -release, raring: kubuntu-ppa/beta | 4.10.4 in raring-proposed | Please test the Alpha 1 images in http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/297/builds
smartboyhw4.10.90 already? Oh no it's packaging series again.06:56
smartboyhwFixing kdepim-runtime now.06:59
smartboyhwActually laters, it's difficult to build without nepomuk built.07:07
smartboyhwRiddell, ScottK shouldn't http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/297/builds/47470/testcases/1450/results be an optional testcase instead of run-once?07:09
soeesmartboyhw, should now be less work with beta2 ?07:11
soeeas lot was fixed in beta1 ?07:12
smartboyhwsoee, well the .install files are still a mess:)07:12
shadeslayerbah08:21
yofelshadeslayer: good morning ;)08:22
shadeslayermorning08:22
shadeslayermore like afternoon here :)08:22
debfxgood $TIME_OF_DAY08:41
soeeyofel, working on beta2 for raring ? :)08:47
yofelit's not even done for saucy yet, though much less work than beta1 it seems08:48
yofelstill, earliest I see beta2 for raring would be tomorrrow evening08:48
soeethank you08:50
Quintasan\o09:24
Riddellmorning09:46
smartboyhwHello Riddell.09:48
smartboyhwGetting on with i386 testing of Alpha 1.09:48
Riddellthanks09:50
smartboyhwRiddell, well, I'm expecting lordievader to do the amd64 work.09:51
Riddellsmartboyhw has a minon!09:52
smartboyhwRiddell, he said he WOULD do it.09:52
Riddellhe doesn't usually appear for another few hours09:54
smartboyhwRiddell, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/297/builds/47470/testcases/1450/results should it be removed or marked optional!?09:54
Riddellsmartboyhw: that should be kept09:55
Riddellwhy would we remove netbook?09:55
smartboyhwRiddell, anyone have a netbook to test09:55
smartboyhw?09:55
RiddellI do09:55
smartboyhwRiddell, OK then, please test:P09:56
Riddelloy!  don't you got minioning me!09:56
Riddelloh ok, I'll test it for you09:56
smartboyhwRiddell, I REALLY DON"T HAVE A NETBOOK. I sincerely thank you:)09:56
smartboyhwRiddell, please update qa.kubuntu.org.uk for 4.10.90.:P10:04
Quintasansmartboyhw: Try bossing apachelogger around10:05
QuintasanDoesn't work10:05
QuintasanHOLY CRAP10:05
smartboyhwQuintasan, what doesn't work?10:05
QuintasanRiddell: do lines virtual KDE_DEPRECATED QList<KAction *> *customContextMenuActions( ChatSession *manager ); prevent API breakage?10:06
lordievadersmartboyhw: More tests is better right? So go a head test amd64 ;)10:06
apacheloggeroh10:07
apacheloggerQuintasan: :(10:07
Quintasanapachelogger: ^^10:07
RiddellQuintasan: yes, rather than just removing that method10:07
QuintasanWell, somebody competent needs to look at this patch10:08
BluesKaj_Hiyas all10:08
Riddellsmartboyhw: appearing now in http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/10:08
QuintasanSome of those methods are declared as deprecated and some are not and they are not even there as far as I can tell with kopete10:08
smartboyhwRiddell, yay.10:08
QuintasanRiddell or apachelogger: Care to take a look?10:09
smartboyhwRiddell, it has a .new postfix to the html and the size is 0.10:09
RiddellQuintasan: at what?10:09
Riddellsmartboyhw: yeah it's not done yet10:09
QuintasanRiddell: debian/patches/kubuntu_no_break_api.diff from kopete10:10
smartboyhwBluesKaj_, what's your full name?10:10
BluesKaj_smartboyhw,it's  Kaj , why do yiu ask ?10:11
smartboyhwBluesKaj_, uh, Ubuntu Studio (where I am Release Manager)'s project lead is called Kaj.:P10:12
smartboyhwKaj Ailomaa to be exact.10:12
BluesKaj_that's not me10:12
apacheloggerQuintasan: KDE_DEPRECATED will only trigger a compiler warning about not using the function as it is deprecated10:12
apacheloggerit does not actually tinker with the symbols10:13
Quintasanapachelogger: Ah10:13
RiddellQuintasan: why are you reviewing that?10:13
apacheloggerbecause he's QAing? :P10:14
QuintasanRiddell: I was wondering if I was wasting time trying to reapply when there is some KDE_DEPRECATED magic going on10:14
RiddellQuintasan: do apply it, else it'll be ABI and API incompatible10:15
apacheloggerQuintasan: if it didn't work then it wouldn't build because of missing symbols ;)10:15
RiddellQuintasan: it should just apply no?10:15
RiddellQuintasan: oh it's probably in upstream10:15
QuintasanIt needs some adjustments10:15
Quintasannah it's not10:15
RiddellQuintasan: so it can probably be removed10:15
Riddellhum10:15
QuintasanIt just didn't apply and I've seen some KDE_DEPRECATED magic added to them and thought that would solve the problem10:16
Quintasanbut it doesn'10:16
smartboyhwWho did analitza 4.10.90? There was ONE missing symbol (I really mean 1)10:18
QuintasanI did10:19
QuintasanMore like the script did10:19
smartboyhwQuintasan, heh:)10:19
smartboyhwEasy piecy fix (I'm doing kdepim-runtime so I won't do analitza)10:20
smartboyhwSame thing on nepomuk-core it seems10:20
smartboyhw1 symbol.10:20
yofeladded, not missing10:20
smartboyhwyofel, oops sorry.10:21
yofelnepomuk-core has new files and new symbols10:21
smartboyhwyofel, \o/10:21
Quintasanthat makes a big difference smartboyhw10:21
Quintasan:P10:21
smartboyhwQuintasan, :P10:21
* smartboyhw has no good English, damn10:21
QuintasanCHRIST10:21
Quintasanand I lost the diff to the patch10:21
Quintasanomfg10:21
smartboyhwQuintasan, :O10:21
yofelit's the difference between a 1-minute and a 1-hour job :P10:21
QuintasanPatch kubuntu_extra_requires.diff can be reverse-applied10:22
QuintasanDoes this crap mean it's already there?10:22
smartboyhwyofel, well MISSING symbols or added symbols, it's still using pkgkde-symbolshelper...10:22
smartboyhw:P10:22
RiddellQuintasan: yes10:22
smartboyhwNew files though, heck10:22
QuintasanRiddell: Way to put it then, because I had no idea what that meant10:22
yofelsmartboyhw: riiiiiight, but MISSING includes detective work, adding not10:22
smartboyhwyofel, riiight, it doesn't take an hour.10:23
yofelcould someone please do kde-workspace so things get un-stuck?10:23
RiddellQuintasan: when I try that kopete patch on 4.10.90 is applies fine except in libkopete/kopetemimetypehandler.h where it's already upstream10:23
QuintasanReally?10:24
QuintasanI must have changed something accidentaly there10:24
Quintasanyofel: The initial upload does no bzr pushing, right?10:25
smartboyhwDamn, I downloaded kdepimlibs instead of -runtime...10:25
Quintasanyofel: I uploaded kde-workspace just now10:25
yofelQuintasan: it should do bzr pushing if I didn't do something wrong...10:26
yofelQuintasan++10:26
Quintasanlol nope10:26
Quintasanit go reject 10:26
Quintasanlol10:26
yofelo.O?10:26
smartboyhw!!?10:27
QuintasanUnable to find kde-workspace_4.10.90.orig.tar.xz10:27
Quintasanwat10:27
smartboyhw:O even10:27
Riddellapachelogger: hmm kubuntu-firefox-installer needs muon-installer, any way to get that to use muon-discover?10:27
Quintasanit bzr-buildpackage-ppa doesn't do -sa10:27
smartboyhwMeh.10:28
Quintasanyofel: how do I -sa with bzr-buildpackage-ppa?10:30
yofel'bzr-buildpackage-ppa'10:30
Quintasanadding -sa obviously doesn't work10:30
yofelit uses -sa unless you add -s X10:30
Quintasanah10:30
smartboyhwyofel, Riddell shadeslayer http://smartboyhw.tk/wordpress_smartboyhw/?p=71 :P10:31
smartboyhwAn LOL page.10:31
smartboyhwBlog post, rather.10:32
yofel"NEVER DO THAT" misses "- unless you really have to"10:32
yofelI edited kde-workspace symbols by hand because symbolshelper didn't know a type10:33
smartboyhwyofel, me too because it clearly can't work.:PP10:33
smartboyhwyofel, lemme add it.10:33
yofelsmartboyhw: and my name is Muskovac btw ;P10:34
smartboyhwyofel, your name is really difficult to spell (sorry)10:34
yofelno problem, 90% of non-slavic people get that wrong on first try ^^10:35
smartboyhwlol10:35
smartboyhwyofel, updated:) (The link description is still wrong-named though)10:35
yofelwell, nvm that10:36
Quintasanharrrrrr10:36
QuintasanI have to go to shop10:36
yofelsmartboyhw: shadeslayer is ~rohangarg btw.10:36
Quintasanno food10:36
smartboyhwyofel, eh god.10:36
Quintasan...10:36
Quintasanno money in bank account10:36
Quintasanwhat the hell10:36
Quintasan!@#$%^10:37
QuintasanWhere the hell is my money10:37
smartboyhwyofel, thanks. Done and changed the link description too for you:)10:37
smartboyhwFor more inquiries, please contact Howard Chan (smartboyhw) at #kubuntu-devel on Freenode IRC.10:37
smartboyhw:P10:37
smartboyhwRiddell, basically, except for the optional testcase and the run-once testcase for netbooks, i386 is ready10:39
Quintasanyofel: Hmm, it would be nice to add the link to the ninjas ppa to the top of the status page10:40
yofeloh, good point (as I already put the name there anyway)10:41
yofelI'll make that a link10:41
apacheloggerRiddell: uhm, you'll need to ask JT10:41
apacheloggerit relies on a special feature to open an application page via commandline switch10:41
apacheloggernot sure discover has that10:41
apacheloggerit even was only crudely hacked into msc ^^10:41
smartboyhwkajongg: E: kajongg: package-section-games-but-contains-no-game :O10:43
Riddellapachelogger: or apoi 10:43
smartboyhwCan somebody do upgrades testing for Alpha 1?10:46
Riddellcan do10:46
yofelsmartboyhw: find out how to make dh_python2 put something into /usr/games/10:46
=== vHanda_ is now known as vHanda
smartboyhwyofel, eh? Let me do kdepim* first...10:47
yofelsure ^^10:47
smartboyhwHeck, kdepim-runtime only fails because of that file only. Removing it from .install clears everything!10:47
yofelQuintasan: next script run will either have a link or a backtrace :P10:49
Quintasanyofel: Buy me some food10:51
yofelkubotu: order food for Quintasan10:52
* kubotu slides food down the bar to Quintasan10:52
smartboyhwAgain, how do I fix E: kdepim-runtime: library-not-linked-against-libc usr/lib/kde4/kio_akonadi.so ?10:52
yofelyou don't10:53
yofelor long answer:10:53
smartboyhwyofel, alright.10:53
yofelcheck in the kio_akonadi source whether any methods from standard libc are used (libstdc++ doesn't count)10:54
yofelif yes, then the linking is broken, if not, add a lintian-override file that hides the warning10:55
yofelthat ^ would be the proper way to do it10:56
smartboyhwyofel, hmm? How to check?10:56
smartboyhwI do see C++ code.10:56
smartboyhwI mean, a lot of it.10:56
yofelwell, read the code would be my answer, but I do trust the linker here usually, so I think you can just hide the warning10:56
yofels/warning/error/10:56
kubotuyofel meant: "well, read the code would be my answer, but I do trust the linker here usually, so I think you can just hide the error"10:56
smartboyhwWell then, soon done. Other warnings are W: 10:57
smartboyhwQuintasan, yofel aren't we NOT supposed to have ~ppa numbered changelogs in packaging bzr branch?10:59
yofelwe are NOT11:00
smartboyhwyofel, heck, Quintasan did exactly that.11:00
yofelwell, happens11:00
smartboyhwLet me fix that then:)11:00
smartboyhwAnd there's a typo: "beta" -> "bet"....11:00
RiddellI wonder if a script to convert docs on wiki to docs on server would be a good task for manchicken when he reappears11:02
yofelif anyone's using it: I'm killing the 4.10.90 status script on kyofel.dyndns.org, please use qa.kubuntu.co.uk11:03
shadeslayerack11:24
* shadeslayer is waiting for info to come up11:24
smartboyhwMeh,  Error multiple versions of the same package perlkde 11:26
smartboyhwNow I can't view status page....11:26
smartboyhwRiddell, we didn't make announcements for 4.10.80 in http://www.kubuntu.org/ ?11:27
smartboyhwAnd it seems we forgotten to update http://community.kde.org/KDE_SC/Binary_Packages#KDE_4.11_Beta_1_.284.10.80.2911:27
smartboyhwRiddell, i386 image can be marked as ready I think...11:28
smartboyhwRiddell, and here's the guy you want! ^11:29
smartboyhwuh, shower time/11:29
=== Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | https://trello.com/kubuntu | https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas 4.10.90 WIP, most of 4.10.80 in saucy, moving ones stuck in -proposed to -release, raring: kubuntu-ppa/beta | 4.10.4 in raring-proposed | Please test the Alpha 1 images in http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/297/builds | 13.10 milestoned bugs tagged Kubuntu http://goo.gl/vHRjj
Riddelltopicdiff: 13.10 milestoned bugs tagged Kubuntu http://goo.gl/vHRjj11:29
Riddellif you have something we should care about for 13.10 milestone it to 13.10 and tag it kubuntu11:29
Riddellmanchicken: fancy doing a python (or whatever) script to download docs from wiki and convert them to html?11:30
manchickenRiddell: Quintasan asked me something about submitting patches for knetattach in kde-runtime upstream.11:30
manchickenRiddell: Are they first in WikiMarkup then?11:31
Riddellmanchicken: probably there is no knetattach so the trick there would be to commit them in such a way nobody complains11:31
smartboyhwNext, kdepim (after shower and probably dinner)11:31
Riddellmanchicken: I'm thinking wget them (using a user agent to allow you) in raw wiki format then using python Creole to convert to html11:32
Riddellbut that's as far as I got11:32
manchickenRiddell: If I do this it'd be faster in Perl, but doing it in Python would benefit me learning-wise.11:32
Riddellup to you :)11:33
manchickenOh, which flavor of wiki? MediaWiki?11:33
smartboyhwMoinMoin?11:33
* smartboyhw feels ignored by Riddell for 7 sentences:(11:34
smartboyhwActually, 5.11:34
smartboyhwNah, 3.11:34
smartboyhw3 sentences, that is.11:34
manchickensmartboyhw: That burns, yeah?11:34
smartboyhwmanchicken, what burns?11:34
manchickenBeing ignored11:34
manchickenI don't think programs are properly respecting the order of languages in my environment.11:35
manchickenI have this: LANG=en_US.UTF-811:35
manchickenLANGUAGE=en_US:fr:en11:35
manchickenOne would think that this means programs show up in en_US first unless they don't have that translation.11:36
smartboyhwmanchicken, heh11:36
manchicken(and by "one would think" I mean "I totally though")11:36
apacheloggerRiddell: that's the wrong a, but yeah :P11:36
manchickenRiddell: It looks like MediaWiki is totally doable in Python. I can totally do this, but it appears as though it does matter which flavor of Wiki we want.11:39
manchickenRiddell: I guess I could start with MediaWiki and then add other parsers via command-line as people request them.11:40
manchickenI can probably start on that tonight or Friday night (UTC-0500).11:40
manchickenI am so glad to have a little hacking machine back.11:41
manchickenTonio2: Howdy11:47
manchickenRiddell: Would this knetattach patch go upstream to kde-devel or kde-core-devel? I didn't quite understand your comment about knetattach not existing.11:51
Riddellmanchicken: knetattach exists but I doubt it has an active maintainer11:59
Riddellmanchicken: finding out the best place to send the patch would be the first task11:59
Riddellit's kde-runtime so kde-core-devel would be justified11:59
manchickenOkay, that sounds like joining the mailing list and going rounds, yeah?11:59
apacheloggerRiddell, manchicken: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Review_Board12:00
apacheloggerIIRC kde-runtime reviews end up on core-devel anyway12:00
Riddellmanchicken: wget --user-agent="Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux i686; rv:22.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/22.0" "https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Software"12:00
apacheloggerat any rate the maintaining party will get the review request ^^12:00
Riddellmanchicken: then something in python-creole I was thinking12:01
Riddellsmartboyhw: I'm not ignoring you!12:01
apacheloggermanchicken: I am not sure en_US s actually a valid LANGUAGE value12:02
manchickenThat change seems like it's just a icon name change, yeah?12:02
rgreeningmorning tonio12:03
manchickenapachelogger: I didn't export it... the language settings did.12:03
apacheloggermust be a bug then12:04
smartboyhwRiddell, LOL12:05
apacheloggermanchicken: kdelibs 4.10 or 4.11?12:06
Riddellmanchicken: yes kubuntu_oxygenify_knetattach_icon.diff is just an icon change12:07
apachelogger+            stream << QString("export LANGUAGE=%1:en").arg(m_kcmTranslations.join(QLatin1String(":")))12:07
apacheloggeroh well12:07
Riddellmanchicken: kubuntu_nodisplay_knetattach.diff will be to stop it showing in the app menu (cos it's not an app)12:07
apacheloggerthe entire fallback thing is shit anyway12:08
apacheloggerno other system in the whole wide world has flipping fallback languages12:08
manchickenapachelogger: OS X.12:08
apacheloggerwhat does it do on osx then?12:09
manchickenLANGUAGE I'm pretty sure.12:09
manchickenEither that or they query system settings.12:09
apacheloggerlatter12:09
manchickenObjective-C Cocoa has a bunch of neat little interfaces for stuff like that.12:09
apacheloggeralso osx is a unix, so obviously they'd have LANG* in some capacity :P12:10
shadeslayer!find make-kpkg12:10
apacheloggerthat doesn't mean it does anything12:10
ubottuFile make-kpkg found in kernel-package, zsh, zsh-beta12:10
shadeslayerhi manchicken12:10
apacheloggerbecause the fallback thing is: "why, we have localization. but really the localization is incomplete and hence not really localizing so we allow you to do use another language than english as fallback language, just in case your german is better than your english..."12:11
BluesKaj_wow,  my pc just arbitrarily shut down , without any notification ...first time that's ever happened ...chromium with too many open tabs , maybe? ...overheating?12:11
apacheloggermost ludicrous thing ever IMO12:11
manchickenapachelogger: Version : 4:4.10.3-0ubuntu0.1~ubuntu13.0412:11
manchickenshadeslayer: Hiya12:11
shadeslayermanchicken: I will be heading out in 10 minutes, so, re autopilot, I think you have to install python-autopilot12:11
apacheloggermanchicken: it's a bug ;)12:11
apacheloggerah, I see how that happens12:12
manchickenshadeslayer: Riddell gave me a project with which I can learn more Python. I may then be of greater use to that testing script effort.12:12
shadeslayermanchicken: then branch my autopilot repo I gave you yesterday and run autopilot run inside the branched repo12:12
shadeslayermanchicken: oh?12:12
manchickenI wonder if it's picking the order in the reverse of what I expected..12:12
apacheloggerkde denotes en_US as en_US (obvious), but our LANGUAGE export logic always uses foo_bar whenever a _ is involved12:12
apacheloggerreckon it needs special handling for en_US there12:12
manchickenapachelogger: aptitude has the same problem.12:14
apacheloggeryeah, they all fail to parse en_US as valid language so they fall over dead12:14
apacheloggerthe patch needs redoing anyway12:15
manchickenapachelogger: Which patch?12:15
apacheloggerhttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-runtime/view/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_langpack_install.diff12:15
manchickenexport LANGUAGE=en:fr12:16
manchickenStill seems to happen12:16
manchickenStill getting the French.12:16
apacheloggerenv12:16
manchickenhttp://pastie.org/808583712:19
apacheloggerit makes no sense12:22
shadeslayerfunsies12:23
shadeslayerapachelogger: db2.cpp:42:20: fatal error: sqlcli.h: No such file or directory12:23
shadeslayer!find sqlcli.h12:23
ubottuPackage/file sqlcli.h does not exist in raring12:23
shadeslayer!find sqlcli.h saucy12:23
ScottKsmartboyhw: No, we want to run it at least once, but if it works once, it isn't likely to break.12:23
ubottuPackage/file sqlcli.h does not exist in saucy12:23
manchickenapachelogger: No argument there.12:23
shadeslayer0.o12:23
shadeslayerbbl12:24
manchickenScottK: Nice t see I'm not the only one who didn't sleep enough :)12:25
apacheloggermanchicken: strace -f -o log gettext12:25
manchickenhttp://pastie.org/808583712:27
manchickenLooks like I may be missing some locale files, yeah?12:28
smartboyhwScottK, :)12:31
Riddellmanchicken: got an account on trello yet?12:35
manchickenRiddell: Making accounts without knowing exactly what to do with them is a WAY OF LIFE for me, man. I had one set up the very day you gave me that link.12:36
manchickenRiddell: That is to say, yes. Yes I do.12:36
manchickenI'm working on your Python script.12:37
ScottKmanchicken: Sleep is for the weak.12:41
ScottKmanchicken: BTW, it looks like the calligra build is past where it failed before (with the first option you gave me).  Thanks again.12:42
manchickenw00tness12:42
manchickenI feel like I contributed, even though you did all the work. That's just great :)12:43
manchickenRiddell: Will we be getting the wiki data from some web service? Will it require authentication of any sort?12:44
ScottKmanchicken: The part you did may be easy for you, but it's impossible for me, so from my PoV, you did all the work.12:48
manchickenScottK: Well that's groovy, we both feel like we didn't do any work :)12:49
manchickenHow about that :)12:49
Riddellmanchicken: just wget as I say I'm thinking12:49
Riddellahoneybun: how did the digikam build go?12:49
manchickenRiddell: Okay, so are you saying you just want something that takes stdin?12:50
Riddellmanchicken: we want something that download from wiki, turns into pretty html and puts it on the server, it'll be on docs.kubuntu.co.uk12:50
manchickenI've gotta get ready for work, I'm gonna put my machine on to charge.12:50
manchickenRiddell: Okay, so something CGI-like.12:51
Riddellmanchicken: no, it would just run from a cronjob or manually from the server12:51
manchickenOkay. So do you want it `wiki2html.py URLHERE` or do you want `wget URLHERE | wiki2html.py`?12:52
ScottKActually, I was wrong, it's not past the deadly spot yet.12:53
* ScottK waits more ...12:53
manchickenStill going?12:56
manchickenI still claim credit for doing something useful.12:56
manchickenNow I'm going to get ready for work for real.12:57
=== BluesKaj_ is now known as BluesKaj
yofelyay, aaron broke ABI of libtaksmanager4abi312:57
Riddellmanchicken: I don't want to pass in the url, it should just know what to download (how it knows is an interesting question)12:58
smartboyhwyofel, yay12:59
Riddellhmm 1 hour 40 minutes remaining for this upgrade, not fast is it13:00
ScottKmanchicken: You definitely did something useful.  We just don't know how useful yet.13:06
* smartboyhw moves to analitza simple symbols fix.13:06
smartboyhwInteresting in kapptemplate: E: kapptemplate source: not-binnmuable-any-depends-any kapptemplate-dbg -> kapptemplate13:16
ScottKWe don't care about binNMUs in Ubuntu13:17
yofelsymbols question13:17
yofel    BasicMenu(QWidget *parent, GroupPtr task, GroupManager *strategy, QList <QAction*> visualizationActions = QList <QAction*>(),13:17
yofel              QList <QAction*> appActions = QList <QAction*>(), int maxWidth = 0);13:17
yofeladdin that int maxWidth = 0 would still require a rebuild to pick up the new signature, right?13:18
yofelmeaning you sill need13:19
yofel    BasicMenu(QWidget *parent, GroupPtr task, GroupManager *strategy, QList <QAction*> visualizationActions = QList <QAction*>(),13:19
yofel              QList <QAction*> appActions = QList <QAction*>());13:19
yofelas well to not break ABI13:19
yofelor would that even compile as the number of options would be ambigous when using it?13:20
soeewhat is ABI ?13:20
yofelsoee: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_binary_interface13:21
yofelapachelogger: ^13:22
tsimpsonyofel: you'd need both to exist, and to remove the default argument from appActions13:22
tsimpsonand visualizationActions13:23
tsimpsondefault arguments don't do anything to the signature of a function, but adding/removing arguments, or change their types, do13:23
yofeltsimpson: what I'm dealing with is http://paste.kde.org/784016/13:24
smartboyhwHmm, why am I having the most tasks in https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas ?13:25
manchickenOkay, going to work. Later.13:25
=== echidnaman is now known as JontheEchidna
tsimpsonyofel: yeah, that'll break ABI13:25
tsimpsonyou'll want to add an overload, removing all but that last (new) default arguments13:26
tsimpsonso if you have "void foo(T1 a1=T1(), T2 a2=T2());" you add "void foo(T1 a1, T2 a2, T3 a3 = T3());"13:27
apacheloggeryofel: ?13:27
tsimpsonI think...13:27
tsimpsonactually, just remove all the default arguments from the new overload13:27
tsimpsonotherwise you will get ambiguity13:28
yofelapachelogger: just wanted some input whether I get this right, but tsimpson already helped13:28
apacheloggerah, more backlog13:28
apacheloggerlol13:28
apacheloggerI only looked at the line above ^^13:28
yofelheh13:28
apacheloggeryofel: yeah, those yield different signatures13:29
apacheloggeron a related interesting point... the = 0 is actually done in the library client13:29
tsimpsonyou can always add defaults to a prototype, at any point13:30
apacheloggere.g. void foo(int bar, int foobar = 10); ... when called in the client as foo(5); will still result in binary code that pushes both 10 and 5 onto the stack13:30
apacheloggerso changing the default value of foobar would be breaking API while leaving ABI the same13:31
yofelfun...13:31
tsimpsonvoid foo(int, int){BARK;} void foo(int, int=0); void foo(int=0, int); // < valid C++ which calls foo(0, 0); when you call foo()13:31
tsimpsonexcept remove{BARK;} (I tested)13:32
Riddellyay, upgrade works13:32
apachelogger^^13:32
smartboyhwRiddell, yay!13:34
manchicken_yay, android client13:35
yofelapachelogger, tsimpson: wait, so if I wanted to fix that without breaking API and ABI I would have to:13:37
yofel1) Add the old signature back13:37
yofel2) remove the duplicate default arguments from the new one13:37
yofel3) call new method from old one with all required arguments13:37
yofelright?13:37
tsimpsonthat's right13:38
yofelthanks13:38
smartboyhwMeh, is there any reason we ask -dbg packages to depend on ${source:Version} instead of ${binary:Version}?13:47
Riddellhow's this? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/SaucySalamander/Alpha1/Kubuntu13:49
Riddellsmartboyhw: I'm sure for kdesdk I used binary:Version13:49
smartboyhwRiddell, a lot of packages seemed not.13:50
ScottKIt should be binary.13:50
smartboyhwRiddell, where's kapptemplate splited from?13:50
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Riddellsmartboyhw: dunno check projects.kde.org13:50
smartboyhwRiddell, please specify it's KDE SC beta 1.13:50
smartboyhwNow, fixing kcron.13:51
RiddellJontheEchidna: yo, can muon-discover do for firefox-installer what muon-installer could?13:53
yofelsmartboyhw: kapptemplate is from kdesdk13:53
JontheEchidnaRiddell: yup13:53
JontheEchidnaRiddell: muon-discover --application=firefox13:53
smartboyhwyofel, hmm, that's Riddell's problem then.... But he said that he sure did use binary:Version13:54
smartboyhwFrom what I'm seeing here, kdesdk packages used source:Version.13:54
yofeltrue, maybe he took that from the old meta package which used source:Version as it was Arch: all13:55
smartboyhwyofel, ah...13:55
ScottKyofel: You probably should have sent that to plasma-devel and/or kde-release as packager is private.  It should hit at least one public list.13:56
yofelScottK: oops, I'll forward to release. I wasn't sure about plasma as I don't know what that lib belongs to13:57
ScottKOK.13:57
smartboyhwWhoa, Marble's still using 3.9.2 :O14:04
yofelRiddell: I suspect bug 1195256 comes from pm-utils not being on the disk14:04
ubottubug 1195256 in kubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "No suspend from session possible" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119525614:04
yofelnot sure about lightdm14:04
ScottKsmartboyhw: Don't bump standards version in Ubuntu.14:06
smartboyhwScottK, I know.14:06
smartboyhwJust amazed.14:06
ScottKOK.14:07
smartboyhwAny packages still using 3.9.1? LOL14:07
ScottKSure.14:07
smartboyhwScottK, really?14:07
smartboyhw3.9.1?14:07
ScottKProbaly still ones using 3.6 out there.14:07
ScottKSome packages only get updated very rarely.14:08
smartboyhwScottK, :O 14:11
manchicken_ScottK: did that work then?14:17
manchicken_this is a great little irc client14:18
Riddellyofel: you could be right, it works here on the upgrade which has pm-utils installed14:18
ScottKmanchicken_: Build is still going, but I think it's past that point now.14:18
yofelRiddell: I remember me and shadeslayer hitting that a while ago IIRC14:18
manchicken_I'm glad :-)14:19
smartboyhwRiddell, yofel don't tell us we are respinning because of pm-utils:)14:19
manchicken_Riddell, do how do you want me to pick which articles the thing grabs? just wiki words?14:20
yofelI wouldn't, put it on the known issues list.14:20
manchicken_like, an api that gets the wiki based on a series of wiki words?14:22
smartboyhwHoly cow, okteta's symbols is a beast!14:22
Riddellmanchicken_1: that I've not looked into, ahoneybun may have some ideas or valorie 14:29
Riddellsmartboyhw: no respinning14:30
smartboyhwRiddell, ofc :P14:30
Riddellcor we're famous http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Kubuntu-plans-to-steer-clear-of-Mir-and-switch-to-Wayland-1897942.html14:32
smartboyhwRiddell, :)14:33
smartboyhwDamn, it's 9 packages already, let me take a break.14:36
Riddellanyone able todo the amd64 tests?14:42
smartboyhwRiddell, asking in #ubuntu-quality.14:42
smartboyhwSomeone is willing to help.14:42
BluesKajwell now , my 13.04 desktop and plasma panel just crapped out , missing titlebars on the windows , no virtual desktop pager , and no taskbar icon indicators for open apps , for a start 14:47
BluesKajguess i shouldn't have run theat lasy dist-upgrade14:47
BluesKajthat last14:47
ScottKFor 13.04, there's nothing recent that should cause that.14:48
dantti_laptopapachelogger: ping14:48
ScottKQuintasan: Did you see my ping about kdeartwork?14:49
BluesKajScottK, thought there was a test for kde 4.10.8 on raring a few days ago , maybe i should have commented the deb, don't recall if it was a ppa or just a backport 14:50
ScottKThat was PPA.14:50
ScottKIf you installed that, then all bets are off.14:51
ScottK4.10.80.14:51
BluesKajyup14:51
ScottKThere's also 4.10.4 in raring-proposed, which is working very nicely for me.14:51
RiddellScottK: oh does that need testing?14:52
ScottKIt could sure use more.14:52
yofelBluesKaj: the last upload to the beta ppa was amarok 3 days ago, so that's probably not it14:52
ScottKI've been running it all week without issue.14:52
BluesKajI don't have the propsed source in 13.0414:52
apacheloggerdantti_laptop: pong14:52
* Riddell tests14:52
BluesKajit's not yofel , i don't have amarok installed14:53
smartboyhwBluesKaj, enable it if you want to test it.14:53
ScottKapachelogger: The ice creaming in the arm boxes could stand some review to make sure it's set up correctly.  Doesn't seem to be working for me ATM.14:53
dantti_laptopapachelogger: I can't create a release with releaseme14:53
apacheloggerprobably doesn't find the scheduler, there was some weird stuff with the init scripts that I forgot to fix int he package14:53
apacheloggerdantti_laptop: please specify :P14:53
dantti_laptopapachelogger: it fails to download the translations14:53
apacheloggerwhat project?14:54
BluesKajsmartboyhw, that's the problem , theppa is enabled for 4.10.80 , I should hgave disabled it14:54
dantti_laptopapper14:54
apacheloggerlooking14:54
smartboyhwBluesKaj, use ppa-purge?14:54
dantti_laptopapachelogger: I used ./apper.rb --git-branch master -b trunk -v 0.8.1 -u dantti -p ssh14:54
BluesKajtoo late the dmage is done14:54
smartboyhwBluesKaj, what's the damage?14:54
apacheloggerdantti_laptop: what's the output?14:54
geniiMeh. Disabled nepomuk in Settings but this NepomukMigrator just keeps running.14:54
BluesKajnow I have to wait for a fix/patch 14:55
* genii glares at his computer14:55
vHandagenii: just kill it?14:55
dantti_laptopapachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/78410014:55
apacheloggersvn: E210002: Para depurar melhor problemas de conexão SSH, remova a opção -q de 'ssh' na sessão [tunnels]  do seu arquivo de configuração do Subversion.14:55
dantti_laptopit says that the connection closed unespecdly14:55
apacheloggerdantti_laptop: please note that svn.kde has changed physical hosts14:55
rdieterdantti_laptop: the svn.kde.org host changed ssh keys recently, fyi14:55
apacheloggerso likely you'll need to fix your known_hosts14:55
dantti_laptopI removed that key14:55
apacheloggerssh -vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv svn.kde.org14:56
apacheloggerssh -vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv dantti@svn.kde.org14:56
apacheloggerprobably14:56
geniivHanda: I considered it. I think now I'll just let it run it's course. I'm not sure if killing it might corrupt it's indexing, etc14:56
vHandagenii: if nepomukstorage is not running, it's not doing anything14:57
BluesKajsmartboyhw, anyway my 13.10 install is fine , I didn't expect a mess with 13.04 tho 14:57
vHandagenii: also you cannot corrupt the migration process no matter where you kill it14:57
vHandaI tried my best to make sure of that14:57
dantti_laptopapachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/78411214:57
geniivHanda: Ah, good to know, thanks.14:57
apacheloggerdantti_laptop: Permission denied (publickey).14:57
apacheloggerwrong key maybe?14:57
apacheloggerdantti_laptop: anyway, I suggest you ask in #kde-sysadmin14:58
dantti_laptopnope, otherwise git clone would fail too14:58
ScottKNew version of libkfbapi needs packaging.14:58
dantti_laptopok, I'll do that then, I thought you might know the issue, but it seems related to my user then..14:58
yofelScottK: the 1.0 instead of snapshot?14:59
ScottKYes14:59
yofelkubotu: newversion libkfbapi 1.015:00
smartboyhwGuys, the classic okular build-dep error15:00
smartboyhw plasma-active-dev : Depends: plasma-active but it is not going to be installed15:00
smartboyhw                     Depends: kde-runtime but it is not going to be installed15:00
smartboyhw..........15:00
kubotuhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/119535815:00
yofelsmartboyhw: sounds like archive skew on some other package15:00
smartboyhwBTW guys: I got a warning:15:01
smartboyhwUpload Warnings:15:01
smartboyhwPPA exceeded 95 % of its size limit (14622.00 of 15360.00 MiB). Ask a question in https://answers.launchpad.net/soyuz/ if you need more space.15:01
smartboyhw................ Riddell plz request more space for us.15:01
yofelmake a chroot and try with aptitiude. apt doesn't tell you the actual issue15:01
apacheloggersvn cat svn+ssh://dantti@svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/l10n-kde4/subdirs15:01
apacheloggerdantti_laptop: ^15:01
apacheloggerwhat's that say?15:02
apacheloggeryofel: sure it does :P15:02
apacheloggeryou just have to tell it to tell you15:02
dantti_laptopapachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/78412415:02
yofelapachelogger: and how am I suppoed that on the buildd's...15:02
yofel*to do that15:02
apachelogger*shrug*15:03
yofelbut yeah, it *can* tell you if you ask hard enough15:03
apacheloggerdantti_laptop: btw, LANG=C is what you want ;)15:04
apacheloggerdantti_laptop: also take that paste to #kde-sysadmin and see what they have to say15:04
apachelogger<- not exactly good with svn15:04
Riddellsmartboyhw: for what?15:05
dantti_laptopapachelogger: ah!15:05
smartboyhwRiddell, for it might break down some day:P15:05
dantti_laptopapachelogger: svn now uses svn user instead of nick15:05
Riddellsmartboyhw: which PPA?15:05
smartboyhwRiddell, Ninjas...15:06
yofelsmartboyhw: I think removing something old might make more sense15:06
smartboyhwyofel, actually, yeah.15:06
dantti_laptopapachelogger: that did the trick, so you should deprecate remove the -u option15:06
yofelwe have packages for 4 releases there now15:07
apacheloggerdantti_laptop: svn user?15:07
yofel(and you can calculate 5G for each if you want to work)15:07
yofelhm...15:07
dantti_laptopapachelogger: yes, all svn.kde.org now use svn user15:07
dantti_laptophttp://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-cvs-announce/2013/000112.html15:08
apacheloggerah15:08
yofelsmartboyhw, Riddell: I'll wipe quantal and precise clean there. I can use staging for those15:08
apacheloggerlike15:08
smartboyhwyofel, great:)15:08
smartboyhwAwesome actually!15:08
apacheloggerdantti_laptop: can't change it right now though15:08
apacheloggerjust look for svn in lib/*l10n* and change the commands accordingly15:09
yofelquantal won't get 4.11 anyway I think, and precise... we'll see15:09
dantti_laptopapachelogger: hmm I don't feel confident about changing that :P15:10
yofelRiddell: where's the status cronjob config on QA btw.?15:11
Riddellyofel: it's just done under my account15:12
Riddellfeel free to change that to the shared account and I'll remove mine15:12
apachelogger-.-15:12
dantti_laptopyes, definetly I think you will know better what to change ...15:12
yofelRiddell: oh, that's in your user crontab?15:13
Riddellyofel: yes15:13
yofelack15:13
apacheloggerah15:13
apacheloggerI think that part is even sanely encapsulated15:13
yofelsmartboyhw: wiped. The janitor will take a few hours though.15:16
smartboyhwyofel, alright:)15:16
apacheloggerdantti_laptop: open lib/query.rb, look for the function svn_username15:16
apacheloggerdantti_laptop: in that function simply rewrite the else portion to say user = "svn@svn"15:16
apacheloggerdantti_laptop: http://paste.kde.org/784142/15:17
apacheloggerif it works please commit and push, I currently don't have my keys with me15:17
dantti_laptopok15:17
ahoneybunRiddell: it did not look too good for digikam15:19
Riddellahoneybun: uh oh, what did you do to it?15:19
smartboyhwahoneybun, oh?15:19
* smartboyhw fears15:20
* smartboyhw rather wants ahoneybun to fix packages for 4.10.90 :P15:20
ahoneybunit just gave a error15:20
smartboyhwahoneybun, paste it.15:20
smartboyhwpaste.kde.org15:20
ahoneybunyea ok15:20
ahoneybunsmartboyhw: http://paste.kde.org/784160/15:21
yofelok, so kipi-plugins doesn't ship those files anymore15:22
smartboyhwahoneybun, remove these in kipi-plugins.install15:22
ahoneybunyea15:22
smartboyhwI think:P15:22
yofelas smartboyhw said15:22
Riddellahoneybun: debuild -nc  will rebuild it without doing a clean so will save lots of time15:22
Riddelland dh_install --list-missing  will be able to confirm if you have your .install files correct15:23
smartboyhwIt is weird though that these extra files failed the build at initial stage. Normally it horrors you at the post-build stage:P15:23
ahoneybunsmartboyhw: how though15:23
yofelsmartboyhw: not extra files, *missing* files15:23
yofelit'll error out on those15:24
smartboyhwyofel, yeah. Missing* files sorry...15:24
smartboyhwyofel, maybe since I never encountered those that early.15:24
smartboyhwNormally at the final stage at dh_install it goes say15:24
smartboyhw"usr/share/<something>" doesn't exist15:24
smartboyhw:P15:24
ahoneybunsmartboyhw: go to that dir?15:24
smartboyhwahoneybun, no.15:25
yofelah, it's only because now the very first thing failed15:25
smartboyhwThat's quick:P15:25
yofelahoneybun: short stop15:25
yofela word about dh_install15:25
yofelwith multi-binary packages like digikam, 'make install' by default installs to debian/tmp/15:26
yofelafter that it copies the files into the individual directories as the install files say15:26
ahoneybunsmartboyhw: oh I see that file is in the debian dir15:26
smartboyhwahoneybun, yeah:)15:27
yofelso what "dh_install: kipi-plugins-common missing files (usr/share/icons/hicolor/*/actions/debianscreenshots.*), aborting" tells you is15:27
yofelit failed somewhere in debian/kipi-plugins-common.install15:27
yofelnow you can check in ./debian/tmp/usr/share/icons/hicolor/... what files are actually there15:28
yofelbut what you usually want to do is just remove the "usr/share/icons/hicolor/*/actions/debianscreenshots.*" line from kipi-plugins-common.install15:28
yofelso do that for now15:28
ahoneybunyofel: ./debian/kipi-plugins-common/usr/... and so on15:28
yofelit copies FROM ./debian/tmp/ INTO ./debian/kipi-plugins-common/15:29
yofelso ./debian/kipi-plugins-common might be incomplete right now15:29
smartboyhwGuys, we have two hours to test the amd64 images before it's published.15:29
* yofel can't test15:30
yofelahoneybun: wrong file15:30
ahoneybunI see that15:30
ahoneybunyofel: ok still more things in there that need removing15:32
yofelactually, lets make a bit more talkative just for learning purposes15:32
ahoneybunoh?15:32
yofelahoneybun: save it, you're doing it right15:32
ScottKRiddell: As long as no one's computer explodes during testing, I'd release in two hours with amd64 to whatever degree of testing is done.15:33
ScottKNo available hardware here though.15:33
yofelahoneybun: now wait a moment15:33
ahoneybunRiddell: 4.11?15:33
smartboyhwExplodes!!!!! XD15:33
ahoneybunyofel: I should look in the tmp dir15:33
RiddellScottK: yeah that's what I told skaet 15:34
yofelahoneybun: now you can watch what it actually does15:34
Riddellahoneybun: what about it?15:34
ScottKOK15:34
ahoneybunRiddell: what are you testing for release in 2 hours?15:34
smartboyhwahoneybun, 13.10 Alpha 1.15:34
yofelhm, not quite :/15:34
ahoneybunoh15:34
smartboyhwamd64 image actually15:34
bkerensaAny final comments on the Mir news today? :) We are publishing a "Flavors reaction to Mir default" here soon15:35
bkerensa;p15:35
yofelahoneybun: anyway, continue as you're doing now. I'm busy for a while15:36
ahoneybunok15:36
smartboyhwbkerensa, em Riddell has it15:36
smartboyhwWe aren't using Mir. That's it,15:36
bkerensasmartboyhw: oh I already got that bit :) just wondering if there might be more15:37
smartboyhwbkerensa, I don't think so...15:38
smartboyhwAsk ScottK and Riddell plz,15:38
Riddellnot much more to say15:38
ScottKbkerensa: FYI, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/06/mir-display-server-to-ship-default-in-ubuntu-13-10 refers to an announcement by Ubuntu engineers and refers to Olli Ries as a Mir developer.  Neither of those is correct.  He's a Canonical manager that's part of their product strategy team, not, AIUI, part of the Ubuntu engineering team.  It's a Canonical announcement by someone with no real connection to Ubuntu as a distro.15:46
bkerensayeah15:47
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smartboyhwGood night guys, see you tmr with a fresh Alpha 1 build.15:49
bkerensaScottK: Fixed15:52
ScottKThanks.15:52
ahoneybunScottK: "With its current design, we enable all dependent derivatives to run unmodified on top of this new stack. "15:53
ahoneybundoes that mean kubuntu as well?15:53
ScottKNo15:53
ScottKIt probably would work ~OK, but we won't set things up to work that way.15:53
ahoneybunScottK: yea15:54
Riddellahoneybun: compositing is so fragile it would add a load of bugs to run it on top of XMir, and that's unfair on our users and upstreams16:04
ahoneybunRiddell: agreed16:04
ahoneybunRiddell: http://paste.kde.org/784196/16:05
Riddellahoneybun: putting those missing files into a .install file would be the first step16:07
ahoneybunoh boy 16:08
ahoneybunthe usr/share/locale?16:10
Riddelltranslations16:10
Riddellis there a -data package?16:11
Riddellyes digikam-data16:11
yofelnote: libkipi.mo is for not-installed16:12
yofeland there's digikam-data AND kipi-plugins-common for data files. Split appropriately16:13
yofelthough I think those icons all go into kipi-plugins-common16:14
Riddellwhy is libkipi.mo for not-installed yofel?16:14
yofelRiddell: conflicts with kde-l10n (libkipi is in KDE SC)16:14
Riddellah hah16:15
yofelI should actually talk to upstream about that. That shouldn't even be built16:16
ScottKIs digikam using an embedded libkipi or the system one?16:21
soeehi, i see only 1 package failed for saucy only ?16:22
yofelScottK: system one16:24
ScottKOK.16:24
yofelScottK: it just doesn't care whether you actually build the internal one or not when it comes to translations16:24
yofelthere it simply installs  po/*16:24
ScottKYes, definitely something to talk to upstream about then.16:25
Darkwingsomeone should tell Jono that mir/xmir is not what we are doing. https://plus.google.com/114419073019603780828/posts/FNSEnpALpjp16:25
Darkwingriddell ^^16:25
yofelthat's not what he said there though16:26
yofelI know they're testing all DE's on XMir16:26
jonoDarkwing, I didnt say that16:26
jonoDarkwing, it just says that the desktops run technically16:26
jononot that flavors have confirmed to ship mir16:27
Darkwingthe comments reflect confused users 16:27
jonoDarkwing, which comments? I only saw one confused comment on G+16:28
DarkwingI was tagged in one. I'm not trying to be a pain about it, just noting that KDE will not support it and neither will kubuntu16:30
Darkwingas if now. listing a DE that has stated it will not smooth it as working is slightly misleading. intentional or not. 16:31
Darkwingif =of16:31
Darkwingdamn my mobile 16:32
ahoneybunDarkwing: hey16:32
jonoDarkwing, I think it was pretty clear that it was about the desktop technically working16:35
DarkwingIt might have been. I was just noting, sorry if it came across wrong.16:35
ahoneybunhey jono16:36
jonohey ahoneybun16:37
jonoDarkwing, no, no worries :-)16:37
* Riddell declaires alpha 1 ready16:39
soee;o16:39
RiddellI'm out for the evening, text me if I'm needed16:39
DarkwingRiddell: I would if I could. :)16:40
ahoneybunDarkwing: I have you number somehow lol16:40
ahoneybun*your16:40
DarkwingI believe I have it listed in Google.16:40
DarkwingI just don't know if it's my mobile or Google Number16:40
ahoneybunDarkwing: yep it's on my phone ;)16:40
Darkwing260 or 619?16:41
ahoneybun61916:41
DarkwingGoogle Voice.16:41
ahoneybuno16:41
ahoneybunh16:42
DarkwingOkay, must make lunch for the kids. :)16:42
lordievaderI'm testing the Saucy Alpha 1 amd64 when I try to install it I get the error "ubi-partman failed with exit code 141". Report this bug to ubiquity?18:34
shadeslayeryup18:36
shadeslayerlordievader: please use ubuntu-bug18:37
lordievaderAlso, I get no status bar, is it related?18:37
shadeslayerit should attach the logs18:37
skaetRiddell,  ScottK - images published,  announce mail sent.   FYI.19:00
ScottKThanks skaet.19:06
ScottKRiddell: You'll want to drop your migration block now.19:07
manchicken_oaHowdy.19:12
* shadeslayer looks at ld taking up 35% of memory and goes :O19:13
ScottKmanchicken_oa: Howdy.  Here's your build in progress in the archve (Failed before prior to the 2 hour mark): https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calligra/1:2.6.92-0ubuntu8/+build/475153319:13
manchicken_oashadeslayer:That's impressive.19:13
shadeslayerwell, it's FF19:14
shadeslayercan't say I'm not surprised, but it's still a shock :P19:14
manchicken_oaScottK:Sweet! It's been far longer than 2hrs.19:14
shadeslayeralso probably the reason for the FTBFS ( something causes a OOM )19:14
ScottKYep.19:15
manchicken_oaScottK:Why does it take so long, isn't it just one package?19:15
ScottKIt's one HUGE package and arm is slow.19:15
manchicken_oaGotcha.19:15
manchicken_oaI'll have to familiarize myself with this build process.19:15
ScottKBuilding qt4-x11 on arm can take over a day.19:15
shadeslayersilly arm19:15
manchicken_oaWow.19:15
manchicken_oaI need to get an arm device.19:15
manchicken_oaDid you ever see that gigantic HP I used to have?19:16
* shadeslayer is still waiting for Low power Intel chips to hit the market19:16
ScottKJust be glad we don't have to support mips like Debian does.  It makes arm seem like a speed demon.19:16
manchicken_oaI gave that old HP to my mother-in-law. She's going to give it back to me today, I'm going to set it up as a test box.19:16
shadeslayeryofel: does : collect2: error: ld terminated with signal 9 [Killed] seem like a OOM to you?19:16
manchicken_oaRiddell: Re Mir: If I installed Ubuntu, then I installed kubuntu-desktop, do I need to do anything else to clean up to keep things nice and pretty for Kubuntu?19:17
shadeslayeroddly the machine has 8 GB's of memory and I see half of it unused19:17
yofelshadeslayer: hm, only if dmesg shows an OOM19:18
shadeslayermanchicken_oa: we won't support that configuration I'm afraid19:18
yofel(I think)19:18
shadeslayer[10874515.035761] Out of memory: Kill process 18261 (ld.bfd.real) score 209 or sacrifice child19:18
shadeslayeryep19:18
yofel:D19:18
shadeslayer*grumble*19:18
shadeslayerhow is this even happening though19:18
shadeslayerI see over 4 GB's of memory free19:18
yofelnot sure, you're on amd64 right?19:18
shadeslayeryes19:19
* shadeslayer stops mysql19:19
shadeslayerswap is completely full though19:20
ScottKmanchicken_oa: Not yet, but we don't know how it'll work once all the Mir stuff lands.19:21
yofelthen the free mem you see now was probaby in use before19:21
yofeladd more swap and try agian? ^^19:21
shadeslayerodd ... stopped a couple of services, trying again now :)19:21
manchicken_oaScottK: I'm at work right now, but nobody else is.19:23
manchicken_oaThey're all outside playing volleyball for our fourth of July party.19:23
shadeslayergah19:23
shadeslayerMem:          7857       7756        101          0          6       433919:23
manchicken_oaI think I want to just go home now :)19:23
ScottKI'm trying to understand IRS forms.19:23
ScottKI win.19:23
manchicken_oaScottK: You could just use TurboTax...19:26
ScottKIt's not those forms.19:39
ScottKThese are the ones you deal with after you fire an accountant for incompetence and then years later the IRS notices stuff is missing.19:40
manchicken_oaAh, amending prior returns?19:42
ScottKNo, this is confusion over 941 payroll withholding.19:43
ScottKSomeone doing the Alpha 1 announcement for kubuntu.org?19:44
ScottKBTW, I learned today that ROFTL is "Record of Federal Tax Liablity".19:45
ScottKNot sure if it's a coincidence or someone at the IRS has a sense of humor.19:46
shadeslayeruhhh http://paste.kde.org/78434619:47
manchicken_oaNice19:47
yofelshadeslayer: blame calligra being stuck in proposed19:49
yofelfixed days ago19:49
manchicken_oashadeslayer: Is that the same build that ScottK was doing?19:49
shadeslayer-.-19:49
shadeslayeryeah thought so19:49
shadeslayerflipping ARM19:49
manchicken_oaI don't see a timestamp on it.19:49
shadeslayertime stamp?19:50
manchicken_oashadeslayer: I was just wondering if we're sure it's from the build that's currently going on.19:51
shadeslayerah19:52
shadeslayerusually it's not19:52
shadeslayerbecause no one runs -proposed anymore19:52
shadeslayerif they are, they shouldn't be19:53
manchicken_oaPocket:19:53
manchicken_oaProposed19:53
manchicken_oaThat?19:53
yofelRiddell: btw. in case I forgot to tell you: your opencv package is missing a library package -> libopencv-superres2.419:53
shadeslayeryes19:53
manchicken_oahttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calligra/1:2.6.92-0ubuntu8/+build/475153319:53
shadeslayersee http://pad.lv/u/calligra19:53
shadeslayer0ubuntu8 is in -proposed19:53
manchicken_oaI'm gonna run. Catch you all later.19:55
ScottKshadeslayer: ubunntu4 - 7 never made it to release, so before you get too excited, make sure it's not fixed already.19:59
shadeslayerexactly19:59
shadeslayerI just used --force-overwrite for now :P19:59
shadeslayerbrb19:59
ScottKThe one that made it to -release would never have made it if it hadn't been forced.19:59
ScottKI think forcing into -release and then not clearing up after is the real problem.20:00
Riddellyofel: yeah I know, how did digikam get compiled without that?20:07
shadeslayerwell crap20:07
shadeslayerkwin is completely messed up20:07
shadeslayerif I start kwin, my entire display is black20:07
ScottK"distraction free"20:08
shadeslayer:D20:09
dantti_laptopshadeslayer: knwon bug20:10
soeeso Riddell when alpa1 will be released ?20:10
yofelRiddell: I hacked a quick package for that together so it builds20:10
dantti_laptopshadeslayer: the fix is in beta 220:10
yofel(i.e. without description etc.)20:10
Riddellsoee: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/13.10/alpha-1/ ?20:10
dantti_laptopshadeslayer: if you use opengl =1.2 it works20:10
soeeRiddell, release upgrade also will work?20:12
shadeslayerdantti_laptop: oh? I moved the old kwinrc and logged out and back in20:13
shadeslayerand it works20:13
Riddellhttps://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/1310-alpha-1-available-testing20:13
Riddellsoee: yep20:13
shadeslayerdantti_laptop: bug number?20:13
* Riddell out20:13
dantti_laptopshadeslayer: hmm I don't have the bug number here but the title is something like black screen with opengl > 1.220:14
dantti_laptopshadeslayer: the issue is the color correction which when disabled let the shader black :/20:14
shadeslayerkde bug 32121720:15
ubottuKDE bug 321217 in compositing "Kwin returns black screen on gl > 1.2" [Grave,Reopened] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32121720:15
dantti_laptopyes this one20:15
dantti_laptopwith kwin from master it's working fine now20:16
shadeslayerokay20:16
ScottKshadeslayer: Sounds like something for the Alpha 1 release notes.20:20
shadeslayerScottK: dantti_laptop figured out what's wrong20:26
shadeslayerbasically GLColorCorrection=true in kwinrc should be removed or set to false20:26
yofelput it into the release notes so people know about that...20:26
soeeshadeslayer, whole screen black ?20:26
shadeslayerwell, it20:26
shadeslayer*well, it'll only happen when you have previously enabled color correction and upgrade20:27
shadeslayerbut yeah, should be put into the release notes20:27
shadeslayerskaet: ^^20:27
shadeslayeroh, right, wiki20:28
shadeslayercan just edit myself20:28
soeeis there a big difference 13.04 and 13.10 atm ?20:31
shadeslayerhumbug, can't find my yubikey20:32
skaetshadeslayer, yup.  :-)  (and thanks!)20:36
shadeslayerokay can someone add it to the problem list?20:36
shadeslayerbecause I can't find my flipping yubikey20:36
shadeslayeryofel: ScottK skaet ^^20:54
shadeslayeroh fun20:54
shadeslayerclicking "Details" on the nepomuk kcm takes so much time to come up -.-20:55
yofelshadeslayer: like this?21:00
shadeslayeryofel: yep, looks fine now21:01
ScottKsoee: Yes.21:20
yofelW: libkdegames6: symbols-file-contains-debian-revision on symbol _ZN10KGameKeyIO11eventFilterEP7QObjectP6QEvent@Base and 939 others21:21
yofel-___-21:21
ScottKsed is your friend.21:22
ScottKJontheEchidna: FYI, there's Muon related mail on kde-devel.21:30
yofelthanks symbolshelper for making that un-reviewable...21:35
yofel libkasten2core2.symbols |  713 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++------------21:35
yofel 1 file changed, 547 insertions(+), 166 deletions(-)21:35
yofelnothing is supposed to be missing...21:35
ScottKYou can tell the symbolshelper the version to use so you don't end up with debian-revision-on-symbol.21:37
yofelah, that was kdegames. Here it simply decided to move some of the symbols around in the file21:38
ScottKI see.21:42
yofelQuintasan: how's kopete feeling?21:52
ScottKSomeone might investigate where /usr/include/solid has gone off to.22:45
yofelnirvana in 4.1122:46
yofelthough I still have22:47
yofelkdelibs5-dev, plasma-widget-networkmanagement: /usr/include/solid22:47
yofelit's just not part of kde-workspace anymore22:47
ScottKcontour needs it.22:47
ScottKNot sure what else.22:47
ScottKafiestas_: Did something happen to /usrs/include/solid from -workspace in 4.11 or did we mess up the packaging somehow?22:48
yofelit was removed together with the networkmanagement stuff IIRC22:49
* yofel remembers looking for it22:49
ScottKFun22:51
yofelif it's modemmanager that's needed, that's now shipped inside networkmanagement 0.9.0.922:52
yofelpnm 1.0 has it seperate22:52
ScottK[ 62%] Building CXX object contourd/CMakeFiles/contour.dir/location/network-engines/solid/SolidNetworkNotifier.o22:53
ScottKcd contourd && /usr/bin/c++   -D_BSD_SOURCE -g -O2 -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -Wformat -Werror=format-security -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2  -Wnon-virtual-dtor -Wno-long-long -Wundef -Wcast-align -Wchar-subscripts -Wall -W -Wpointer-arith -Wformat-security -fno-exceptions -DQT_NO_EXCEPTIONS -fno-check-new -fno-common -Woverloaded-virtual -fno-threadsafe-statics -fvisibility=hidden -Werror=return-type -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -DNDEBUG22:53
ScottK -DQT_NO_DEBUG -I. -I../../contourd -I../../contourd/location -I../../contourd/recommendation -I.. -I/usr/include/qt4/phonon -I/usr/include/qt4/QtXmlPatterns -I/usr/include/qt4/QtXml -I/usr/include/qt4/QtUiTools -I/usr/include/qt4/QtTest -I/usr/include/qt4/QtSvg -I/usr/include/qt4/QtSql -I/usr/include/qt4/QtScriptTools -I/usr/include/qt4/QtScript -I/usr/include/qt4/QtNetwork -I/usr/include/qt4/QtHelp -I/usr/include/qt4/QtDesigner -22:53
ScottKI/usr/include/qt4/QtDeclarative -I/usr/include/qt4/QtDBus -I/usr/include/qt4/Qt3Support -I/usr/include/qt4/QtGui -I/usr/include/qt4/QtCore -I/usr/include/qt4/Qt -I/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/default -I/usr/include/qt4 -I/usr/include/KDE    -o CMakeFiles/contour.dir/location/network-engines/solid/SolidNetworkNotifier.o -c ../../contourd/location/network-engines/solid/SolidNetworkNotifier.cpp22:53
ScottK../../contourd/location/network-engines/solid/SolidNetworkNotifier.cpp:22:42: fatal error: solid/control/networkmanager.h: No such file or directory22:53
ScottK #include <solid/control/networkmanager.h>22:53
yofelthere's still a 'solid-actions-kcm' in kde-workspace, that seems to be all that's left22:53
ScottKThat's from trying to rebuild contour22:53
* ScottK needs to go.22:53
ScottKBBL22:53
yofelplasma-widget-networkmanagement: /usr/include/solid/controlnm09/networkmanager.h22:54
yofelwhich needs fixing too...22:54
Quintasanyofel: Dead, I didn't touch for the whole day23:42

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