[00:19] <bjsnider> !find file libxul.pc
[00:19] <bjsnider> !find file libxul.pc raring
[09:53] <hubx> Hi there, any chance to get chrome beta in channel in 13.04? https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/beta seems dead
[09:53] <smartboyhw> hubx, Chrome beta?
[09:54] <smartboyhw> Chromium is different from Google Chrome.
[09:59] <hubx> smartboyhw, I wanted to say Chromium... but Chrome Beta is also fine. Sometimes I have webdev stuff to do and want bleeding edge ;)
[10:00] <smartboyhw> hubx, mm? Try Chrome Canary. It's very bleeding-edge, but it's regularly auto-updated (unlike Chromium which uses apt-get). Also, 13.04 is NOT the scope in #ubuntu+1 now, try asking in #ubuntu might be better:)
[10:01] <hubx> smartboyhw, alright ty :)
[10:08] <BluesKaj_> Hiyas all
[15:10] <shadows> glad to see 3.10 kernel land
[16:23] <paulo_gomes> hi all
[16:23] <paulo_gomes> anyone has fglrx working in saucy?
[16:27] <shadows> paulo_gomes: why?
[16:28] <paulo_gomes> i've tryed and get black screen, both from repos and amd site
[16:28] <shadows> interesting;   sorry to be not much help here
[16:29] <paulo_gomes> no problem, just curious if is something to do with my hardware or from the driver
[16:29] <paulo_gomes> opensource driver works great
[16:29] <shadows> I once used a desktop computer with ATI (not AMD then) fglrx and it was a mess, so I would use the open source 2d drivers ;   when I got a new computer I verified it to use open source drivers and Intel graphics on this laptop
[16:30] <shadows> I have the same laptop for 3 years + now
[16:30] <shadows> not very experienced with any development for fglrx since that many years ago
[16:31] <paulo_gomes> :) that's the downsize of laptops, we cant change the graphic card :)
[16:31] <shadows> paulo_gomes: I have read from many places that there is a "verified hardware driver" communication between the graphics device and the kernel drivers
[16:32] <shadows> I would guess that your cable is plugged into the opposite connector or that fglrx is not talking to the graphics card correctly
[16:32] <shadows> pure speculation
[16:33] <shadows> I do remember that closed drivers would initialize the device in a different order than open drivers and I would have to swap the cable to another connector :)
[16:33] <paulo_gomes> im on laptop
[16:34] <shadows> ohhh
[16:34] <shadows> still true!  maybe the output is going to external display/
[16:34] <paulo_gomes> ah, didnt check that
[16:34] <shadows> may be worthy to try the Fn+Key combo to change monitors
[16:35] <paulo_gomes> yep, gonna try that
[16:35] <paulo_gomes> thnks shadows
[18:02] <johnjohn101> will mir be available if i'm running on a vmware machine?
[18:17] <trism> johnjohn101: at the moment, the answer seems to be no: bug 1157196
[18:21] <johnjohn101> trism: will be interesting to see mir roll out.  i think it's pretty aggressive to roll out to desktop in 13.10 but welcomed
[23:10] <hapster> Hi now that it was announced that ubuntu 13.10 will ship with Mir, will this mean only laptops with intel graphics will be able to take advantage of it?
[23:11] <Daekdroom> hapster, what do you mean?
[23:11] <hapster> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/06/mir-display-server-to-ship-default-in-ubuntu-13-10
[23:11] <Daekdroom> 13.10 will still ship with X.org because of the closed-source AMD/Nvidia drivers.
[23:11] <Daekdroom> (and I think that is said on that page)
[23:11] <hapster> Daekdroom so does that mean I won't be able to use wine?
[23:12] <Daekdroom> I don't see why you wouldn't.
[23:12] <hapster> or play games with wine?
[23:12] <Daekdroom> It could interfere, but ideally not.
[23:13] <hapster> I currently have an nvidia optimus laptop. It works with bumblebee and I'm quite satisfied with it. I believe it relies on Xorg configs. If I upgrade to 13.10 this means that I won't be able to use bumblebee right? Or maybe use bumblebee with nouveau. but not sure about how good nouveau's support is for nvidia optimus.
[23:15] <Daekdroom> About how/whether bumblebee works with nouveau (and Mir?) I'm not aware of.
[23:15] <Daekdroom> But like I said, they intend to still ship X.org as a fallback in 13.10
[23:19] <hapster> Yeah. But I really wanna try out XMir.:)) And it'll suck if it won't work with nvidia.XD I believe you can configure it in bumblebee.conf for it to use nouveau. :)