[02:52] <hads> My newest little toy; http://nicegear.co.nz/blog/introducing-the-orblink-a-usb-connected-rgb-led-orb/
[03:15] <chilts> hads: cool article!
[03:22] <chilts> yeah, that's nice :)
[03:22] <hads> Thanks :)
[19:34] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:47] <ajmitch> morning
[20:13] <ibeardslee> So .. mir in 13.10 eh?
[20:43] <ajmitch> another long thread to wade through on the devel list then :)
[21:00] <ibeardslee> I have to admit I'm a bit torn by the process
[21:02] <ajmitch> in what way?
[21:06] <ibeardslee> Ubuntu heading on in a different direction.
[21:07] <ajmitch> that's been the case for awhile now
[21:07] <ibeardslee> yes it could be an improvement, but does it also advance Linux/FLOSS useage or will it create a technical separation that is harder for people to bridge down the track.
[21:08] <ibeardslee> it has been the case for a while, but it hasn't been replacing some of the underlying tech in such a way
[21:09] <ajmitch> for any upstream project that has to carry code to support it, there's some maintenance penalty
[21:09] <ajmitch> part of the reason why there's been such a strong pushback against it from KDE folk, even if canonical do the work of patching kwin, etc, they still have to maintain it in the long run
[21:10] <ajmitch> for 13.10, hopefully there won't be much in the way of visible changes as X is still being used, albeit with a mir backend
[21:12] <ajmitch> and even that will only happen if you're using free drivers
[21:21] <ibeardslee> It is good that they are pushing the boundaries of what we expect from linux.  And there are people that will be coming into using linux that just want something that works, gets updates
[21:22] <ibeardslee> and if Ubuntu 'just works' for them, they have a win.  Even if they do alienate some of their existing user base.
[21:27] <thumper> morning
[21:33] <hads> morning