=== hggdh_ is now known as hggdh [00:10] Could someone help me with autopilot? balloons? I'm running into an issue where the application will not load and the system won't proceed to run the first test. I was wondering if maybe I don't have something set up correctly. === chriadam|away is now known as chriadam [00:58] can phablet-flash be used to flash a previous daily build? [00:59] dont see a manpage or clear directions under phablet-flash --help [00:59] --list-revisions or -r argument does not seem to be what i'm looking for [00:59] *i have now both a saucy-23/ and now saucy-25/ in ~/Downloads/phablet-flash/ [01:35] anyone know what Renato's nick is? === _salem is now known as salem_ [02:07] chriadam: ummm, is it renato? [02:08] phix: it's all good, managed to contact him [02:08] awesome [02:10] loicm: It's been a month, can you take another look at my merge request, https://code.launchpad.net/~spacedout/qtubuntu/fix_opengl_sharing/+merge/163466 === Kyle_ is now known as Kyle === salem_ is now known as _salem [02:53] hey anypoen here workign on a htc one x build and also id like to clarify soemthign is ubuntu touch litterally ubuntu 13.04 for phones i.e i can use the same launchpad repos that i woudl on my pc in ubuntu touch and run similer apps === SkavenXXI is now known as SkavenXXI-[OFF] [03:09] nubby: It uses the same repositories, yes. You generally can't run the same (non-commandline) apps, because (a) the UI would make no sense and (b) we don't have X11 on the phone. [03:59] RAOF, ahh is it possible to compile x11 onto it [04:00] and maybe have ui switching on-the-fly [04:00] allthgouthj this does mean i coudl potentialy hack and sack my wireless drivers and get aircrack workign on my phone [04:02] nubby: You won't have any X11 drivers, so no. [04:12] um good point [04:12] althoguth im pretty sure nvida do make tegra 3 x11 driver ill need to chekc up on that === jalcine_ is now known as jalcine [06:55] good morning [07:19] So did the Ubuntu phone/touch/whatever OS finaly come out? [07:23] good morning all [07:24] yaakov|ubuntu, we're in development, the plan has always been to have a working phone image by October [07:34] Cool DPM. So i guess there are a few repositories showing off what is working right now? [07:34] yaakov|ubuntu, indeed, you can test the current status on a phone as instructed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ [07:34] One more question. I was kind of wanting to start porting a small game I made on linux to Ubuntu Touch. It's all in C++ so I'd like to use that language as its backbone. [07:34] what is the Nexus7 status of the flipped images today? [07:34] Can I just compile on my Ubuntu computer and that app/program will work on the Ubuntu Touch platorm? [07:34] Or do I have to use some special kind of compiler? [07:34] yaakov|ubuntu, I think cross-compiling is possible, otherwise you can install the compiler on your target device and compile there [07:34] diwic, I'd assume cross compiling is possible since there's a QML developers kit available that supposedly works on the platform. [07:34] But I'm not sure if there's some magic compiler I use or whatever. [07:34] There's no magic compiler. [07:34] yaakov|ubuntu, no magic compiler AFAIK [07:34] All you need is an armhf compiler [07:34] What's the compiler that Canonical recommend? [07:34] QT creator has a build C++ on ubuntu device. [07:34] Cool, but i'd prefer to cross compile and run on an emulator. [07:34] Of which I assume none exist. :) [07:35] What happened? [07:35] Oh, net split. [07:35] yaakov|ubuntu: We use g++; you can find a cross-compiler in the archive. [07:35] The archive? [07:36] The Ubuntu archive. The standard repositories. [07:36] Or are you not running Ubuntu? [07:36] Oh, repository. Sorry, it's late. [07:36] Oh, so the touch g++ compiler is on the repository. Cool. [07:37] I'll find the package and get it. [07:37] arm-linux-gnueabihf-g++ is that it, RAOF? [07:37] Correct. [07:39] Ehh, today's daily preinstalled zip is 153K, that's extremely low. Are the builds broken? [07:43] Reasking now that the netsplit is fixed: today's daily preinstalled zip is 153K, that's extremely low. Are the builds broken? [07:43] Stupid question RAOF, but how do I call this compiler from the console? I'm used to developing on Windows, so this is much diferent for me. [07:43] different* [07:58] diwic: bum, looks like i flashed my n7 with a broken build [07:58] my n7 is now stuck at the google logo [08:00] * popey flashes n7 back to previous [08:00] popey, my n7 is quite stuck too, but I figured it's not worth trying to repair until the .zip image (which I need, I guess) and .tar.gz images are approximately the same size [08:00] popey, hmm, didn't think of that [08:00] popey, let me know how it goes [08:01] will do [08:01] ogra_: can we remove build 20130626.1 - it's broken [08:01] alan@deep-thought:~/Downloads/phablet-flash$ du -hs 20130626.1 [08:01] 34M 20130626.1 [08:01] alan@deep-thought:~/Downloads/phablet-flash$ du -hs 20130625 [08:01] 369M 20130625 [08:27] diwic: flashed back to 20130625 and it works again [08:28] Good morning all, happy Industrial Workers of the World Day! :) [08:28] popey, thanks, I'll probably try that then [08:30] * JamesTait sees all these people playing with their shiny Ubuntu phones and feels left out. [08:31] JamesTait, you mean just Ubuntu phones that don't boot due to broken images :-) [08:31] diwic, I want some of that kind of fun! :D [08:32] diwic, I'm getting quite good at making my HTC Desire unresponsive.... ;) [08:33] JamesTait, IIRC there are vacancies on the HWE team if you like to play with broken hardware :-) [08:35] diwic, :D === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [09:16] ogra_, ping [09:31] tvoss, hey [09:35] ogra_: can you remove yesterdays image, it's broken? [09:35] popey, the last one should work fine [09:35] except on nexus10 [09:35] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/20130626.1/ [09:35] yes [09:35] that one on nexus 7 is busted [09:36] how exactly ? [09:36] ogra_, look at the size of the zip, its < 1 M [09:36] alan@deep-thought:~/Downloads/phablet-flash$ du -hs 20130626.1 [09:36] 34M 20130626.1 [09:37] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/20130626.1/ ... [09:37] unless cdimage'S apache is braindead the zips are fine [09:38] 34M for the HW zip and 335M for the rootfs [09:38] for grouper [09:38] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip [09:38] 26-Jun-2013 19:01 153K [09:38] oha ! [09:39] *click* [09:39] ☻ [09:39] i see what you mean, funny [09:41] fixed [09:42] cjwatson, did /current become a dir recently ? (my script kind of assumed a link) [09:44] thanks ogra_ [09:45] hmm, other builds dont use a subdir there, must be my script then :( [09:46] ah, no, some do, some dont ... weird [09:48] ogra_: It varies [09:48] yeah, noticed, since when is that there ? === b0bben_ is now known as b0bben [09:48] ogra_: Since I added support for the current vs. pending distinction [09:48] ogra_: It's necessary for it to be a directory sometimes if only some architectures have been tested [09:49] hmm, then it must really be my changes [09:49] ogra_: I don't know why that should be the case here [09:49] ogra_: Would you like me to investigate? [09:49] well, let me check my code changes first (on my post processing script) [09:50] It may be because the current-handling script doesn't understand the .zip and .zip.md5sum files [09:50] we kind of needed the system/recovery.img files so i added some wgets [09:51] i wonder how that broke it out of nothing [09:51] Once again it's because of the irregular file naming [09:52] Let me see if I can figure this out [09:52] well, it only started with yesterdays second build [09:53] Yes [09:53] i rather think its a race ... my script fiddles in the dir while the QA script does too [09:53] I doubt it [09:53] Let me investigate :) [09:53] ok, do it :) [09:54] Oh, yikes, your script is hooked up weirdly [09:55] ogra_, yo are we 'resolved' on AA in nexus ... [09:55] You can't fiddle with the contents of a cdimage directory post-publication like that (/home/ogra/utouch-android/do-zip-android) - we need to hook that into cdimage proper [09:55] cjwatson, yes, we still need the binary blob though [09:55] thats what holds ist back [09:56] *it [09:56] You mean /home/ogra/utouch-android/zip ? [09:56] apw, we need to rollback manta, it doesnt acceept cmdline changes [09:56] cjwatson, nope there is a binary blob inside the meta dir [09:56] ogra_, well i can switch the default on the kernel on AA [09:56] ogra_: Exact file names, please [09:57] $execpath/ubuntu_data -m $execpath/META-INF -o $zip $tarball [09:57] whats wrong with the new flipped image? Its not starting on mako.. stuck at Google logo [09:57] ogra_: OK. No need for that to hold back proper integration into cdimage. [09:57] under MEATA-INF in utouch-android/phablet-build-scripts [09:57] (in my home) [09:58] It just means that the integration won't be entirely usable unless you have the binary blob, but that's no worse than now. [09:58] and we need zip installed on nusakan [09:58] No worse than now. [09:58] well, we could indeed cache the binary blob somewhere for sure [09:59] we have the source etc on phablet.u.c just no way to sanely build it standalone until xnox is done [09:59] You're overthinking this :) [09:59] It can be called out of your home directory or whatever from cdimage code [09:59] That's no worse than the current situation [10:00] right [10:00] well, there is one half that needs to go into livecd-rootfs ... [10:00] we cant really replace that one yet [10:01] I'm not talking about reengineering the whole thing [10:01] s/one half/one command/ [10:01] (in the upper half :P ) [10:01] I'm talking about me incorporating your /home/ogra/utouch-android/do-zip-android script into a position in cdimage where it will work better [10:01] That's all [10:02] ah [10:02] got it now [10:06] ogra_, can i assume on the other three images are working just fine with apparmor.enabled=0 ... ie just flipping the in kernel default to zero is good, and to confirm that it is manta you need aa off [10:06] apw, exactly [10:06] ogra_, as if i can leave the bits in the krenel it will be easier for jj to fix i suspect [10:06] ogra_, ok, and urgency? [10:06] (we're just using apparmor=0 though :) ) [10:06] apw, asap [10:06] ogra_, ack [10:24] someone started http://ubuntutouchforums.com/ ? [10:24] that "Index of /" is most exciting [10:26] Creation date: 22 Feb 2013 04:18:00 [10:26] sites even been up for a few months wow eeeeeee [10:29] there is also http://ubuntutouch.org/ [10:29] i wonder if these people know about canonicals trademark policies [10:31] Created On:24-Feb-2013 20:43:13 UTC [10:31] hahahahaha 2 days later [10:32] looks alot nicer tho [10:35] with a total of 5 users this site ROCKS!!!!!!!! [10:41] ogra_: probably, whether they care is another kettle of fish [10:42] davmor2, heh, indeed [10:43] * davmor2 starts a flash of the latest goodness on his phone, and then prods ogra_ repeatedly till he personally promise to make pinging noise when messages land and the phone is asleep [10:43] mount -t proc proc /proc [10:44] this should be automatic ^^^^^^^^ [10:44] davmor2, heh, ask diwic ... he makes all the sound :) [10:45] * davmor2 transfers the proding to diwic and thanks ogra_ for passing the buck :) [10:45] DJJeff, thats obsolete stuff ... we changed the whole design of the images [10:46] ogra_: on my galaxy nexus this morning my Mom broke down on the motorway I nearly missed the message cause there was no ping, I cussed my phone for the first time :) But then forgave it after when the next message came through :) [10:47] there are still issues with pulse ... david is working on them afaik [10:47] make sure to file bugs :) for pulse you can now file normal distro bugs [10:47] root@ubuntu-phablet:/# ifconfig [10:48] (we use the package as is from the archive now) [10:48] Warning: cannot open /proc/net/dev (No such file or directory). Limited output. [10:48] root@ubuntu-phablet:/# mount -t proc proc /proc [10:48] and then ifconfig works??????? [10:48] :) [10:48] DJJeff, no need to paste the whole release notes :) [10:49] (and as i said, thats obsolete stuff, the images allready work completely different, these changes just havent made it into the community ports yet) [10:50] is it possible to download a non community port? [10:50] if you have a nexus device [10:50] because the cdimage of raring works on my GT-P7510 but saucy does not [10:51] and its really starting to piss me off [10:51] whatever got changed in saucy is broken [10:51] talk to the porter then [10:51] porters should do regular rebuilds of the system image [10:51] no, your port is [10:51] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/p4wifi [10:52] says the guys name is SEEEEEEEEEEEMAAAAAAAAN [10:52] where is he [10:52] there are bits in the android image that need to be updated alongside with changes in the ubuntu image [10:52] which means regular rebuilds ... [10:52] I have no idea of how cyanagonmod works [10:54] ....... /whois seepa (there is no such user) [10:54] w00000h0000000 [10:54] sorry im too poor to afford a NEXUS 7 or 10 [10:55] ogra_: will do, is ubuntu-bug going to be on the phone at some point? for now I can just use ubuntu-bug on my saucy desktop right? [10:55] click on the launchpad link for "image maintainer" [10:55] on the top right of the launchpad page you find a "contact this user" button [10:55] back to fap fap fap to really bad anime porn [10:56] and ask him to do a rebuild with a recent tree [10:56] davmor2, yeah, i'll bring it up in tomorrows team call [10:56] i thinnk we should include at least the cmdline tool [10:57] ogra_: yeap or at least in the daily build if not the production image [10:57] well, dail should be production :) [10:57] until release :) [10:57] will ubuntu touch have root terminal for people who want it? [10:58] ogra_: okay at least in daily but maybe not on a carrier image then is that better? [10:58] DJJeff, it ships a terminal since quite a while already [10:59] (a month or at least nearly a month) [10:59] davmor2, up to the carrier i guess [10:59] Yeah, the terminal is probably the most used app i have ☻ [10:59] popey: ditto but then I'm learning vim on the tablet [11:00] davmor2, i dont know if we even have discussed automatic bug reporting yet and how to handle it [11:00] i certainly havent seen UI designs or something [11:00] ogra_, i have the flipped image installed on mako, the device wont go past Google logo, are we expecting that? [11:00] om26er, the very latest one should work [11:00] popey: the main thing I use the terminal for on the phone is 3gup and 3gdown which is a fairly obviously named alias I hope :) [11:01] ☻ [11:01] ogra_, I have 20130626.1 [11:01] om26er, 20130626 has a kernel bug 26.1 should be fine [11:01] I called mine up.sh and down.sh, quicker to type and double-tab complete [11:01] ogra_: is 26.1 okay now, so i can flash my devices with it? [11:01] (I rolled back) [11:01] ogra_, how can I make sure that from the device itself ? [11:01] popey, it was yesterday when we all tested === mhr3_ is now known as mhr3 [11:02] manta is still broken, but who has that anyway :P [11:02] no, i mean, the broken-ness on cdimage [11:02] yes, see backlog [11:02] great [11:02] ta ☻ [11:02] not fixed for good but for the current image [11:02] popey: only thing that I find annoying on the terminal app is the fact I can't click ctrl+ any letter, for example ctrl+ g is in vimtutor can't do it on the tablet :( [11:03] om26er, when did you download it, there was a corrupt file in place (fixed about 1h ago) [11:03] popey: I put in a suggetion bug for that though [11:03] ogra_, its been more than an hour atleast [11:04] so try a reinstall [11:04] (phablet-flash should have complained though) [11:04] i had to delete the 26.1 folder in my downloads [11:04] because it just re-flashed again [11:04] ogra_, I flash manually [11:04] it didnt download [11:04] ah, k [11:04] popey, well, i guess it did download, but the armhf.zip was only 115k [11:05] no, i mean it didnt re-download [11:05] ah [11:05] gah, notifications make the OSK go away [11:05] ogra_, about the 115kb image bug, that actually broke one of the maguro device I have in the lab [11:06] sorry for that ... [11:09] ogra_, I have verified that I have the correct md5sum for both saucy-preinstalled-touch-armel+mako.zip and saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip from 26.1 [11:09] and the size is fine too ? [11:09] I have flashed it like 3-4 times just to make sure [11:09] i'm running the same image here [11:09] ogra_, yep 351.5 mb [11:09] on maguro though, but we had a few mako testers yesterday [11:09] ogra_: bug #1195257 [11:09] bug 1195257 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "There is currently no ping on the phone with a new message if the phone is in sleep mode" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1195257 [11:10] diwic, ^^^ [11:10] ogra_, hmm, is there anything at all when it is in sleep mode, I mean, ssh isn't working either, e g. [11:11] diwic, well, might be a powerd bug that it should wake up the sound device and pulse, no idea [11:11] diwic: shouldn't it wake like it does for the phone? [11:12] davmor2, btw, the bug information states x86_64 architecture, but the bug was found on nexus4 / galaxy nexus, right? [11:12] om26er, so you only have a google screen, does adb work ? [11:12] ogra_, yep, I am actually logged into ubuntu root with adb shell there [11:13] om26er, grep apparmor /proc/cmdline [11:13] Lenovo Ideapad Y580, I doubt that's a phone :-) [11:13] diwic: ah yeah, I'll add the phone type thanks, I just did ubuntu-bug from the laptop I have here as it isn't available on the phone [11:13] does that return anything ? [11:13] ogra_, nothing [11:13] om26er, thats not 26.1 then [11:13] to work around the kernel bug all the .1 images have apparmor=0 in their cmdline [11:13] diwic: ammended thanks [11:15] om26er, as a quick fix you can download the botimg for mako and flash it via fastboot [11:15] that saves you from a full re-flash [11:15] ogra_, I am pretty sure I have 26.1 just re-verified the md5sum [11:15] hi mardy, do you know where the online accounts docs we put a while ago in d.u.c come from? I think we just generated and copied them manually, but perhaps they're available in a package? I mean these ones: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/online-accounts/qml-ubuntu-onlineaccounts0-account.html [11:15] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.bootimg-mako [11:15] this one [11:15] yeah I'l flash that to try [11:15] davmor2 / ogra_ , anyway I doubt it's PulseAudio's fault. I don't reallly know how the wakeup is supposed to happen [11:16] davmor2, maybe reassign to the phone app or whoever is responsible for dealing with new incoming messages? [11:19] ogra_, that worked [11:19] ogra_, so what was wrong again ? [11:19] ogra@chromebook:/media/ogra/08fc34a7-1f78-4a36-bcd7-d8a9adf26e7f/ubuntu-touch/saucy/new$ abootimg -i saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.bootimg-mako|grep cmdline [11:19] * cmdline = console=ttyHSL0,115200,n8 androidboot.hardware=mako lpj=67677 apparmor=0 [11:19] yeah, it should definitely have worked :) [11:20] om26er, well, a) there is a kernel bug, the apparemor patches added yesterday make the boot explode (lxc container cant start) .... b) the zip is created with a non cdimage script after the build ... seems that clashed with the automatic QA tests which resulted in a corrupt zip [11:21] ogra_, yes as boot.img in saucy-preinstalled-touch-armel+mako.zip have a different md5sum than the one you linked me [11:21] though that has nothing to do with your issue, the bootimg is definitely included in the armel+mako.zip [11:22] which is ittitating [11:22] *irritating [11:22] dpm: no, AFAIK they are not available as a package [11:22] How to install Ubuntu on HTC one x | http://askubuntu.com/q/313319 [11:22] mardy, thanks. Where would the best place to file a bug to get a package with docs built? [11:23] *be [11:24] dpm: accounts-qml-module [11:24] om26er, hmm, you are right ... i see the same in the maguro boot.img [11:25] ogra_: 26.1 (re-downloaded) is still hanging for me at the google splash screen [11:26] popey, yeah, something is wrong [11:27] popey, grab the bootimg file ... adb shell reboot -f bootloader; fastboot flash boot /path/to/bootimg; fastboot reboot [11:32] ogra_: that did it [11:32] thank you [11:41] ogra_, shoved manta in the queue [11:47] mardy, hey, do you know if there is a way to read "key formatted" (e.g key=) from qml? (I think I saw you mentioning it on the channel some days ago) [11:53] thanks mardy, filed bug 1195274 for that [11:53] bug 1195274 in accounts-qml-module (Ubuntu) "Please create a documentation package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1195274 [11:57] apw, thx === dednick is now known as dednick|lunch === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:05] seb128: I don't think there is one. On the Qt side, that's QSettings, but AFAIK it's not exposed to QML [12:05] Hello [12:06] mardy, ok, so I need a qt plugin there? [12:06] I want to buy cellphone and install Ubuntu on it. I need advice which is the best to Ubuntu on. [12:08] seb128: I'm afraid so [12:09] mardy, ok, thanks [12:09] myalkboy: Nexus 4, I think === thesignal is now known as deadBot [12:14] mardy: thanks [12:24] om26er, oh, and you saked how to find out which image you are running, theer will soon be a proper stamp in /var/log/installer/media-info (the std, location desktop and server use too), it is just waiting for an RT to be procssed then you will have the cdimage stamp in the second bracket in there [12:24] *asked [12:24] ogra_, cool, thanks [12:28] zsombi: hey [12:33] Kaleo: how === 6JTAAX1W6 is now known as tvoss [12:35] zsombi: I replied :) [12:35] Kaleo: I saw, reading it [12:36] zsombi: so now, the only 2 things missing are: [12:37] zsombi: unit tests for ThemeEngine [12:37] mhall119 or dpm, can you tell me where to find u1db docs on http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/ [12:37] zsombi: fixing the apps, that's well underway [12:37] I know they're somewhere there but the site isn't very browsable [12:37] zsombi: I have branches for all of them [12:37] Kaleo: + complete documentation update [12:37] kalikiana: I have just received this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1195275 :) [12:37] Launchpad bug 1195275 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "Please create a documentation package for the U1db QML module" [Undecided,New] [12:38] I guess it's a bad thing if I don't find my own stuff [12:38] zsombi: well, that's doen [12:38] zsombi: done [12:38] zsombi: in the sense that Theme and StyledItem are documented [12:38] zsombi: and I think we can stick to that for now [12:38] Kaleo: yes, however a "tutoarial" would also be beneficial [12:39] zsombi: yes [12:39] Kaleo, erm, that is a funny thing. it's packaged and online already [12:40] Kaleo: I found one bug in your branch: when resizing the MainView runtime to phone size, I get an error on PageStack [12:40] zsombi: interesting, please put it in the MR [12:40] Kaleo: need to check whether that is valid for other branches too checked [12:40] -checked [12:42] nik90: thanks! [12:42] popey: I will send an email with all the details [12:42] popey: my internet is terrible at the moment [12:43] np [12:45] kalikiana, mhall119 is out today. Here are what we've got for U1DB docs, it seems they need to be fixed: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-13.10/qml/u1db/ [12:46] dpm, aye, I found the changed url, see my comment on the bug, the report doesn't make much sense to me [12:46] well, the styling doesn't seem to be correct, but then then report needs to be clarified === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:48] kalikiana, well, the docs are on d.u.c because we built them manually so that we had something at all. Don't expect us to be building them manually regularly, hence the bug report to have a package where the documentation is fetched and published from :) [12:48] kalikiana, aha, but your comment answers the question [12:48] I have a feeling there was a bit of a disconnect of the facts ☻ [12:49] kalikiana, I didn't know there was that package. Let me add it to the doc publisher [12:49] is there a way to change the clock to display in 24hr format? [12:50] kalikiana, where can I find that package? Is it on the archive or in a PPA? [12:50] Kaleo: the error is there in the trunk too: "examples/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gallery/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gallery.qml:68, unknown) - file:///home/zsombor/canonical/work/layout/anchors-fill-fix/examples/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gallery/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gallery.qml:68:5: QML PageStack: Cannot anchor to a null item." [12:50] FunkyPenguin, of course. go into the clock settings menu [12:50] Kaleo: this happens when you resize the gallery to single-column layout [12:51] dpm, in the ui toolkit ppa and supposedly pulled into the phone images [12:51] For my merge request (https://code.launchpad.net/~mdspencer/ubuntu-filemanager-app/improved-ui/+merge/171569), it is marked as Approved, but the status still Needs Review and it isn't merged. What needs to get done for it to be merged? I'm not very familar with merge requests. === juicyjones|away is now known as juicyjones [12:51] Kaleo: do U want me to review the theming MR? [12:52] cfhowlett: pray tell where does one find the clock settings? i don't see it in the clock app or in the system bar thing === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [12:53] FunkyPenguin, right click on the clock I think [12:53] kalikiana, I can't find the -doc package on https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/+archive/ppa/ - am I looking at the right PPA? [12:53] cfhowlett: "right click" on a touch device?! [12:53] heh [12:53] FunkyPenguin, yeah, use your right hand instead of the left one :P [12:54] FunkyPenguin, D'OH! sorry about that. was thinking desktop ... [12:54] ogra_: tried that will need to use my foot i think :) [12:54] FunkyPenguin, but isn't there a clock properties menu? [12:54] zsombi: please yes [12:54] cfhowlett: not that i can see [12:54] FunkyPenguin, feet are only supported with attached kinect [12:55] iBelieve: have approved [12:55] ogra_: you really know how to throw a spanner in the works! is that the kinect 1.0 or 2.0? [12:56] 2.1 indeed croeesponding with win 8.1. [12:56] *corresponding [12:56] dpm, yes, should be there https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/+archive/ppa/+packages looks looks like it's again broken silently [12:57] popey, great, thank you. So will it now be automatically merged? [12:57] ya [12:57] kalikiana, no worries. Once it's fixed, would you mind pinging me and I'll get the doc publisher to fetch it and get the docs online? [12:57] FunkyPenguin, but fun aside, i think the clock picks up the format from the locale settings [12:58] so configure locale and timezone according to the release notes and you should be fine [12:58] dpm, sure. I'm used to that "process" by now :-] [12:58] (from commandline indeed) [12:58] thanks [13:01] ogra_: ah, thanks i configured timezone but forgot about locale [13:01] btw interestingly even after setting tz, i have a bit of a disparity http://paste.opensuse.org/5011044 === _salem is now known as salem_ === dednick|lunch is now known as dednick === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away [13:29] Laney: hey, do you still have the code I sent you for shaping Items? [13:29] UbuntuShaping that is? [13:45] jdstrand, do you have a list of privileges an app could/should be able to ask for? Access to your contacts, current location, and what else? Bookmarks/history? Recent calls? [13:46]