| Azelphur | ali1234: happen to know how LVM fares in the event of disk failure, if I was to combine drives like you recommended the other day? | 00:32 |
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| ali1234 | it depends how you combined them | 00:32 |
| Azelphur | I see | 00:32 |
| Azelphur | well, I havn't combined them yet, so what are the options? | 00:32 |
| ali1234 | the usual raid modes | 00:32 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: yea, there's like raid stripe, and LVM stripe, right? | 00:33 |
| Azelphur | I know raid stripe is one drive failure = all data lost | 00:34 |
| Azelphur | so what about the LVM option? | 00:34 |
| ali1234 | same | 00:35 |
| Azelphur | oh, so basically, it doesn't depend | 00:35 |
| Azelphur | either way you're fucked. | 00:35 |
| Azelphur | xD | 00:35 |
| ali1234 | well don't use striping then | 00:35 |
| Azelphur | does that mean not using LVM? | 00:36 |
| ali1234 | no | 00:36 |
| Azelphur | I like the idea of having one big partition, but not at the expense of loosing all my data if the drive fails | 00:36 |
| Azelphur | whats the other option then? :P | 00:36 |
| daftykins | you just want standard RAID5/6 | 00:37 |
| Azelphur | daftykins: I don't think so, I think I want what ali1234 is vaguely hinting at :P | 00:38 |
| daftykins | i've no experience with LVM so i don't know how that relates | 00:38 |
| daftykins | hehe | 00:38 |
| daftykins | Azelphur: you just have to work for it? ;) | 00:38 |
| Azelphur | indeed :) | 00:38 |
| daftykins | i am curious what can be 5 or 6 like and still grow | 00:39 |
| daftykins | i think my 3ware controller can grow a RAID but it seems risky to me | 00:39 |
| daftykins | it tends to be old enough that new disks are needed by the time they're full | 00:39 |
| Azelphur | hehe | 00:40 |
| Azelphur | yea, I mean I will be periodically adding disks to my setup | 00:40 |
| daftykins | i give up dropping a grand on disks though =| | 00:40 |
| daftykins | so i fear for my data :( | 00:41 |
| ali1234 | there isn't really a way to have a logical volume across two disks and only lose half the files if one disk breaks | 00:44 |
| ali1234 | you either have mirroring or parity and lose nothing at the cost of disk space, or you have striping and lose everything | 00:44 |
| Azelphur | I see | 00:44 |
| Azelphur | I suppose I'll avoid LVM then, and just keep separate drives | 00:44 |
| daftykins | as long as you monitor them closely, you can spot impending deaths and transfer off | 00:58 |
| popey | Azelphur: i do that with btrfs. | 07:04 |
| popey | Azelphur: started with 4 disks in RAID 1 btrfs, then just kept adding disks to grow the volume over time. btrfs allows you to add disks of different sizes too, so I started with 2TB disks but will probably buy 3TB disks and add those in | 07:05 |
| popey | morning TheOpenSourcerer | 07:15 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | \o popey | 07:15 |
| diplo | Morning all | 07:25 |
| dwdorig | Ah, netsplits. I'd almost forgotten about them. | 07:37 |
| dwdorig | (This like discovering my nickname had "expired", and realising it'd been over a decade since I'd last used IRC properly) | 07:38 |
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| ali1234 | !info gcc-mingw-w64 | 07:45 |
| lubotu3 | gcc-mingw-w64 (source: gcc-mingw-w64 (7)): GNU C compiler for MinGW-w64. In component universe, is extra. Version 4.6.3-8ubuntu1+7 (quantal), package size 1 kB, installed size 21 kB | 07:45 |
| AlanBell | morning | 08:07 |
| DJones | Morning all | 08:09 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all, happy Industrial Workers of the World Day! :) | 08:28 |
| * popey gets back down t'pit | 08:28 | |
| * DJones lends popey a flat cap and a ferret | 08:29 | |
| DJones | With you saying "t'pit" reminds of going to a war/prison camp museum (I think somewhere in Yorkshire) a few years back and walking through a mock up of a wartime coal mine & seeing the conditions the miners had, made me appreciate the conditions my grandfather worked in for 50+ years of his life | 08:32 |
| DJones | Ah, Eden Camp - That was it | 08:33 |
| dwdorig | On the wall in my office, I have the display plans for the "new" pit windings for Kirkby Colliery. | 08:33 |
| dwdorig | Dated 1904. Reminds me that despite various job titles, I don't really do "proper" engineering. :-) | 08:34 |
| DJones | dwdorig: Was Kirkby COlliery actually in Kirkby, or did that extend eastwards towards Bold & Sutton Manor? | 08:37 |
| dwdorig | It's more normally called "Top Pit". | 08:37 |
| hoover | Morning folks | 08:37 |
| DJones | Hmmh, just realised there is more than one Kirkby, so could be a completely different area | 08:38 |
| DJones | If its where I think, its Nottinghamshire rather than Lancashire | 08:39 |
| dwdorig | Yes, indeed, there's lots of Kirkbys. This one is in Derbyshire I think. | 08:39 |
| DJones | Right, when you said Kirkby I though it was the one at the end of the East Lancs Road between Bootle & ST Helens, there's two former mines at Bold & Sutton Manor there | 08:40 |
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| dwdorig | Oh, perhaps I'm wrong - Kirkby-in-Ashfield looks like the one, in Nottinghamshire. | 08:45 |
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| dwdorig | Although that does look like the wrong company. Now I'm confused... | 08:46 |
| DJones | Heh, When I looked it up I got to the Kirkby-in-Ashfield one as well | 08:48 |
| dwdorig | Ah, no, it's the "top pit" bit that I suspect I've got wrong. But I can't find the company who ran Kirkby Colliery. I'm expecting it to be Butterley. | 08:52 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 08:54 |
| DJones | dwdorig: Found this http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details/AssetMain?iaid=C6031760 "Kirkby in Ashfield: Lands west of Kirkby Colliery; Butterley & Co Ltd" | 08:54 |
| DJones | Bears out what you were expecting | 08:55 |
| dwdorig | DJones, That'll be it, thanks. | 08:56 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 09:05 |
| bigcalm | Morning brobostigon | 09:30 |
| neuro | 'ning all | 09:31 |
| neuro | today is shaping up to be a pretty cool technological day | 09:32 |
| neuro | i found out that paypal can send cash to your bank acct in < 2hrs | 09:32 |
| neuro | i found a whole new bunch of albums in my amazon autorip folder | 09:32 |
| neuro | i got my digg reader invite through | 09:32 |
| neuro | and just for sheer cuteness, check out what happens when you search for "gay" on google! | 09:33 |
| brobostigon | morning bigcalm and neuro | 09:33 |
| neuro | lo brob | 09:33 |
| bigcalm | That is cute | 09:34 |
| bigcalm | Amusing that it also returned a load of LGBT dating sites for my area | 09:35 |
| bigcalm | Putting geolocation to good use | 09:35 |
| popey | the gay thing has been on google for some time | 09:47 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 10:01 |
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| bigcalm | Morning davmor2 | 10:22 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: you missed a cracking LUG last night. I didn't get home until 12.30am | 10:23 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: and you missed an evening of amusement, befuddlement, misdirection, trickery and magic :) | 10:27 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: otherwise known as the reason I couldn't make it :) | 10:27 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: ah, we thought you were at Canonical | 10:45 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: or, as Jenny called it, Calonical | 10:47 |
| Laney | a calonic irrigation | 10:48 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: no the magic shop owner has lectures every now and again this time it happened to land on Wednesday, but the guy was absolutely amazing | 10:48 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: I've never met anyone quite so deft with cards. | 10:49 |
| bigcalm | This auto-rip on amazon is fun. Just re-discovered a few albums I had bought many years ago | 11:06 |
| * bigcalm sways to Pentaphobe | 11:06 | |
| DJones | Not that I've bought many albums from Amazon, but the ones it'd added to my autorip folder are albums that I'd later sold the original cd | 11:09 |
| bigcalm | Yes, the legality is some what questionable | 11:09 |
| DJones | I was just glad I hadn't bought any 'dodgy albums' from Amazon for it to be recorded for all posterity :) | 11:16 |
| popey | "We've added 29 songs from your CD purchases for free | 11:17 |
| popey | " | 11:17 |
| popey | \o/ | 11:17 |
| popey | one cd | 11:17 |
| popey | which was a present | 11:17 |
| DJones | I had 2 cd's worth and that was a double album | 11:18 |
| bigcalm | 27 albums -> 422 tracks | 11:19 |
| dwdorig | Amazon's autrip thing is terrifying. | 11:47 |
| dwdorig | Mostly because I almost never buy music (by which I mean, the music I listen to is generally freely downloadable), and instead it's my wife buying CDs for her, her mother, the kids, etc. | 11:48 |
| DJones | I'll be more impressed when/if they start giving electronic copies of paper books I'd previously bought from them | 11:54 |
| popey | ..with no drm | 11:54 |
| DJones | Ideally with no drm, but I wouldn't complain if they were drm'd | 11:55 |
| BigRedS | I've largely made peace with DRMed ebooks. Which is weird given my rabid hippyness elswhere | 11:56 |
| BigRedS | I view it as essentially a subscription service; it's a kindle thing and should work as long as I have a kindle | 11:57 |
| BigRedS | and if I want to keep it longer than that I'll get it in dead tree | 11:57 |
| dwdorig | I'm frantically searching Amazon's privacy clauses to make sure this list can never be public. | 11:58 |
| dwdorig | It's got "I love a Party", by "Russ Abbot" - and that's not the worst thing on here. | 11:58 |
| DJones | There's one book I bought from Amazon that was lent out to somebody before I'd had chance to read it and was promptly lost/misplaced so I wish I could track it down | 11:59 |
| BigRedS | dwdorig: I left my spotify account logged in for a party and my '90s Megamix became public knowledge :/ | 12:00 |
| dwdorig | The '90's has music? | 12:01 |
| DJones | Most things after the 80's sound like white noise to me :) Now, get off my lawn | 12:02 |
| BigRedS | heeel yeah. B*witched, All Saints, Des'ree, East 17 | 12:02 |
| dwdorig | Were B*witched the weird Irish girls in denim? | 12:03 |
| lornajane | dwdorig: does that narrow it down? | 12:03 |
| dwdorig | lornajane, Good point, well made. | 12:03 |
| BigRedS | haha | 12:03 |
| BigRedS | but, yeah, they were some of them | 12:04 |
| lornajane | I shouldn't be rude about them though, pretty sure you would find b*witched on the music server if you looked | 12:04 |
| lornajane | I stopped buying digital music from amazon when they started making me download it a track at a time from a horribly inaccessible interface | 12:05 |
| lornajane | haven't found an alternative supplier though really | 12:05 |
| popey | you can download full albums with the app can't you? | 12:05 |
| BigRedS | I use spotify generally | 12:05 |
| BigRedS | so much easier than managing multiple GB of audio files | 12:05 |
| popey | ah, clamz is the command line download tool | 12:05 |
| popey | that too | 12:06 |
| dwdorig | popey, Speaking of apps, can Ubuntu-Fondle run Android apps? | 12:06 |
| * dwdorig hates to drag discussion back to compters, but... | 12:06 | |
| popey | Nope | 12:07 |
| lornajane | ha, don't worry. I'm only really here because I'm upgrading and I think I've broken something! | 12:07 |
| popey | We don't ship dalvik or the java classlibraries | 12:07 |
| dwdorig | Ah, right. There's plenty of times I'd prefer a more traditional UNIX on my tablet especially, but I also don't want to lose Android entirely. | 12:09 |
| dwdorig | lornajane, Anyway, what's broke? | 12:10 |
| mungbean | "We've added 102 songs from your CD purchases for free" | 12:10 |
| mungbean | including one CD i lost for a few years | 12:10 |
| mungbean | but only just found | 12:11 |
| dwdorig | mungbean, That's why it's just been added. They *know*. | 12:11 |
| mungbean | i wish there was "snd to google music" button | 12:11 |
| mungbean | cloud player on linux is fail | 12:11 |
| lornajane | dwdorig: well, aptitude is still running, so maybe nothing. But it's giving me this gdk-pixbuf error quite a few times as it goes along | 12:11 |
| dwdorig | lornajane, What error? | 12:12 |
| lornajane | it includes the phrase "This likely means that your installation is broken" which is ringing alarm bells! | 12:12 |
| mungbean | sometimes the CD is same price as mp3 | 12:12 |
| lornajane | dwdorig: it says "(gtk-update-icon-cache:11523): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Cannot open pixbuf loader module file '/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache': No such file or directory | 12:12 |
| dwdorig | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/1156927 ? | 12:13 |
| lubotu3 | Ubuntu bug 1156927 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) "Cannot open pixbuf loader module file '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache': No such file or directory" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 12:13 |
| popey | mungbean: there is a google music app on ubuntu | 12:13 |
| dwdorig | Smells similar, doesn't it. | 12:14 |
| mungbean | yes, but amazon cloud player support sucks | 12:14 |
| mungbean | and you would have to download from amazon first | 12:14 |
| dwdorig | lornajane, That bug includes the output: | 12:14 |
| dwdorig | Try running the command | 12:14 |
| dwdorig | gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache | 12:14 |
| dwdorig | to make things work again for the time being. | 12:14 |
| lornajane | dwdorig: yep, that bug is what I see. The command doesn't run though | 12:15 |
| dwdorig | I'm not sure that's safe to run *while* you're installing, anyway. | 12:15 |
| lornajane | aptitude is giving me lots of "Setting up .." now so I'll try it again when it's done | 12:15 |
| popey | lornajane: what are you doing with aptitude out of interest? | 12:16 |
| popey | upgrading from what to what? | 12:16 |
| lornajane | popey: that's a really good question | 12:16 |
| lornajane | this machine was first installed with mint + LXDE | 12:16 |
| popey | ruh-roh | 12:16 |
| dwdorig | lornajane, Oh, you're doing one of *those* upgrades... | 12:16 |
| popey | i see where this is going | 12:16 |
| lornajane | now it's really mint and XFCE, but with all the ubuntu sources included, so most of my packages seem to be ubuntu-esque for stuff that isn't X | 12:17 |
| dwdorig | popey, Hey, don't knock it. That's how I cross-installed Ubuntu in the first place. | 12:17 |
| lornajane | mint released olivia for XFCE this week and I'm not on site for a couple of days so I thought I'd just go for it | 12:18 |
| popey | Good luck with that ☻ | 12:18 |
| lornajane | I really should install xubuntu but ... eh, just can't get enthusiastic about getting everything properly set up again | 12:19 |
| lornajane | I use so many various tools, it takes literally months to get round and discover all the broken things | 12:19 |
| christel | 6/3 | 12:20 |
| christel | er | 12:20 |
| mungbean | 2 | 12:20 |
| christel | <3 | 12:20 |
| dwdorig | Yes, and more than 1, like 2 normally is. | 12:20 |
| diddledan | lol | 12:20 |
| dwdorig | They don't call me Mr Helpful for nothing, you know. I have to pay them. | 12:22 |
| diddledan | so dickie stallman is in the internet hall-of-fame now? | 12:22 |
| dwdorig | Gosh, so he is. I didn't even read that announcement. | 12:22 |
| mungbean | never heard of it | 12:23 |
| dwdorig | And Jimmy Wales. | 12:23 |
| dwdorig | mungbean, It's an Internet Society thing. | 12:23 |
| mungbean | nevr heard of that either :P | 12:24 |
| dwdorig | mungbean, They operate the IETF. | 12:24 |
| mungbean | ok. and they have a list of people they like? | 12:25 |
| popey | it was only established last year! | 12:25 |
| popey | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Hall_of_Fame | 12:25 |
| DJones | Will he ever read that he's in the internet hall of fame though? I didn't think he read anything on the internet (could just be an urban myth) | 12:25 |
| dwdorig | DJones, Right, he has people to do that kind of thing for him. | 12:25 |
| popey | DJones: its not a myth | 12:26 |
| mungbean | it was true at one point about the way he read his mail | 12:26 |
| popey | http://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html | 12:26 |
| DJones | I guess that means he won't getting Amazon AutoRip albums downloaded into his Amazon drive then | 12:27 |
| mungbean | we all knowpeople like him, i'm just surprised he managed to get so far | 12:27 |
| popey | "When I use a search engine, it is always from a machine that isn't mine and that other people also use. I never identify myself to the site, of course." | 12:27 |
| mungbean | he's searching for how to feed parrots | 12:27 |
| popey | ☻ | 12:28 |
| mungbean | you don't have to be a visionary to assume that ghcq and nsa are reading your unencrypted comms | 12:28 |
| * dwatkins wonders if Stallman's computer has a free BIOS as well | 12:28 | |
| mungbean | yes | 12:29 |
| mungbean | he has a machine called ollong tea for something, its well documented | 12:29 |
| dwatkins | is the firmware for all the chips open as well? | 12:29 |
| BigRedS | I think it is now | 12:30 |
| BigRedS | well. He doesn't mind whether the firmware is free or not, he just doesn't use it if it's not free | 12:30 |
| BigRedS | so had no WiFi on his OLPC because that was non-free | 12:30 |
| popey | rmspostcomments | 12:31 |
| popey | bah | 12:31 |
| BigRedS | He is surprisingly accepting of non-free software, he just doesn't want to be part of the reason it is anywhere. | 12:31 |
| dwatkins | fair enough | 12:31 |
| mungbean | 1rms | 12:32 |
| dwatkins | I agree with his stance on the OLPC. | 12:32 |
| mungbean | !rms | 12:32 |
| BigRedS | popey: one tweet announcing its existence... | 12:32 |
| mungbean | <lubotu3> Sorry, I don't know anything about 'rms' | 12:32 |
| BigRedS | Oh! It's for auth only... | 12:32 |
| mungbean | we have this convo a lot, maybe a factoid :P | 12:32 |
| Gary | I wonder if my old !gary still works :p | 12:33 |
| BigRedS | But RMS would rather a bot not know anything about him :) | 12:33 |
| Gary | aww | 12:33 |
| directhex | sigh, rms | 12:35 |
| diddledan | I think I popped the cork with the genie getting out of the bottle | 12:35 |
| diddledan | who knew one person could evoke so much conversation?! :-p | 12:36 |
| mungbean | modelzone in administration :( | 12:39 |
| lornajane | okay, I think I fixed that pixbuf problem. Let's see if I can reboot after all that | 12:44 |
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| popey | ali1234: what ever happened to that wayland fork, soreau was maintaining wasn't he | 13:09 |
| popey | northwood? | 13:09 |
| lornajane | I'm stuck in a situation where a tool requires a package that aptitude doesn't know about, what can I do at this point? | 13:22 |
| lornajane | google just knows about some instances of error messages regarding this missing package, not the package itself | 13:23 |
| bigcalm | hi lornajane :) | 13:25 |
| bigcalm | lornajane: is it available in a ppa? | 13:25 |
| lornajane | bigcalm: how would I find out? I'm not getting hits when I search for it (it's gee-1.0) | 13:25 |
| bigcalm | lornajane: looks like it might be part of gir1.2-gee-1.0 | 13:27 |
| lornajane | bigcalm: I am not sure how to explain that to the thing I'm trying to compile. Already commented bits out of the CMakeLists.txt :) | 13:27 |
| bigcalm | Ah | 13:28 |
| bigcalm | If you install that package, does the error go away? | 13:28 |
| lornajane | it is installed | 13:28 |
| bigcalm | Oh | 13:28 |
| bigcalm | symlink? | 13:28 |
| lornajane | I thought maybe it was doing a check for a wrong package name ... but I'm not sure how to stop that | 13:28 |
| bigcalm | I know rather little about make files :/ | 13:29 |
| lornajane | yeah symlink maybe, not sure what would link to what | 13:29 |
| lornajane | well I'm trying to compile Vala. Because there's a tool that exists in vala, and this is open source, right? | 13:29 |
| bigcalm | Can you find a file with 'gee' in the name using locate? | 13:29 |
| lornajane | I seem to have libgee2 things and gir1.2-gee-1.0 things | 13:30 |
| bigcalm | Vala is available as a ppa | 13:31 |
| lornajane | I think I have vala, I'm trying to compile something made of it | 13:31 |
| bigcalm | Oh, I see :) | 13:32 |
| lornajane | I have done this before, but then I upgraded and the project updated and I need to recompile ... been putting this off for months | 13:32 |
| lornajane | because I knew I'd be in dependency hell :( | 13:32 |
| bigcalm | Not procrastinating writing a talk? ;) | 13:32 |
| lornajane | well, at some point I need to be able to compile my presenter tool, which is what this is | 13:33 |
| bigcalm | Ah, all related so that's okay :) | 13:33 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: you don't write talks you speak them, man I thought you was the clever one ;) | 13:33 |
| lornajane | I'm about 8 weeks from *needing* this tool to work, I'm only giving a couple of talks that I don't particularly need the presenter view for | 13:33 |
| lornajane | 8 weeks is about as good as it gets, so the time is now | 13:33 |
| bigcalm | Fair enough | 13:33 |
| lornajane | the tool is getting better but I do have some custom build bits in there so I need to be able to compile it | 13:34 |
| lornajane | apparently I'm the only person in the world who ever starts not at the first slide of a presentation, for example | 13:35 |
| bigcalm | Re-order your slides? :) | 13:35 |
| lornajane | bigcalm: it's the training courses, which can be several hundred slides and take a few days | 13:36 |
| bigcalm | Oh, that makes sense | 13:36 |
| popey | vala is in the repo | 13:36 |
| popey | dont need a ppa for that | 13:36 |
| popey | given chunks of unity are written in vala... | 13:36 |
| bigcalm | Rich was jumping about all over the place when he did Symfony2 training | 13:36 |
| lornajane | popey: I think I have vala, but in trying to compile some vala, I get missing packages - but we think the package names have changed is all | 13:37 |
| lornajane | bigcalm: yeah, I'm like that too. Nothing is as tiring as a day's training - because I'm bouncing about and thinking and talking all day! | 13:37 |
| popey | ah | 13:37 |
| popey | superfun | 13:37 |
| popey | how can i see what program is using a kernel module I am trying to unload? | 13:38 |
| popey | Error: Module uvcvideo is in use | 13:38 |
| popey | but I dont know what is using it | 13:38 |
| bigcalm | modprobe uvcvideo ? | 13:38 |
| popey | i am trying to rmmod it | 13:39 |
| bigcalm | Actually, I think that might try to load it | 13:39 |
| bigcalm | modinfo maybe? | 13:39 |
| popey | nope | 13:39 |
| bigcalm | lsmod will list what mods are being used by other mods | 13:39 |
| bigcalm | Can you see anything using /dev/video* ? | 13:39 |
| popey | yeah, its being used by something else | 13:39 |
| diplo | lsof ? | 13:39 |
| popey | ah yeah, lsof | 13:40 |
| popey | aha | 13:40 |
| bigcalm | Skype? | 13:40 |
| popey | chromium | 13:40 |
| bigcalm | Hangouts | 13:40 |
| popey | yup | 13:40 |
| popey | oof, just lost the entire chromium | 13:40 |
| bigcalm | Ouch | 13:40 |
| popey | I hope my tabs come back when I open it | 13:41 |
| popey | \o/ | 13:41 |
| mungbean | i never understand when it says ..umm can't open the tabs, but i know what they were | 13:44 |
| mungbean | click to open them | 13:45 |
| lornajane | mungbean: my chrome does it I think in case something inside one of them is causing the crash | 13:45 |
| lornajane | so it won't crash again until you ask it to | 13:45 |
| dwatkins | I tend to save my open tabs with cloud tab sometimes, just in case | 13:48 |
| lornajane | progress! As in, I get a different error now :) | 13:48 |
| popey | i just have chromium set to re-open whatever was open when it closed/died | 13:48 |
| dwatkins | Tab Cloud, even: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tabcloud/npecfdijgoblfcgagoijgmgejmcpnhof?hl=en | 13:48 |
| dwatkins | been burned once too many times by CCleaner | 13:48 |
| diplo | really? Ccleaner works well for me | 13:49 |
| bigcalm | I don't appear to have a volume icon/controller on my desktop. How do I get it back? | 13:50 |
| lornajane | bigcalm: run alsamixer | 13:51 |
| bigcalm | lornajane: that's a CLI app | 13:51 |
| lornajane | bigcalm: yes, but it's what I've been using since I don't have clickable audio controls | 13:52 |
| bigcalm | Ah :) | 13:52 |
| Azelphur | popey: but in your setup, if you loose one drive, do you loose all data? | 13:55 |
| bigcalm | lornajane: apparently this fixes itsudo apt-get install indicator-sound | 13:55 |
| * bigcalm logs out to find out | 13:55 | |
| popey | Azelphur: no, of course not | 13:56 |
| popey | RAID1 | 13:56 |
| Azelphur | oh, raid 1 is mirror, right? | 13:56 |
| popey | yeah, btrfs doesn't do RAID1 like hardware RAID or MD RAID | 13:57 |
| Azelphur | I see | 13:57 |
| popey | but the effect is the same, data is spread over more than one disk | 13:57 |
| bigcalm | lornajane: that fixed it :) | 13:57 |
| Azelphur | yea, I was hoping to get a "one big partition" but if one drive fails, I just loose the data on that drive, type scenario | 13:57 |
| Azelphur | could probably get away with it doing something funky with symlinks tbh, haha | 13:58 |
| popey | er, okay | 13:59 |
| popey | why do you want to lose data? | 13:59 |
| Azelphur | popey: because I don't wanna fork out for 2x the drive space, and it's just tv shows which can be re-grabbed | 13:59 |
| Azelphur | loosing one drives worth of tv shows ain't so bad, loosing all drives worth of tv shows, bad :p | 13:59 |
| diddledan | I need to do some tv show downloading.. I have zero footprint in the piracy market these days | 14:00 |
| diddledan | I fancy watching babylon5 end-to-end again.. awesome series! | 14:00 |
| ali1234 | popey: i dunno, you can go ask him in #norwood or #northfield or something | 14:01 |
| popey | norwood, that's it, I thought it was northwood | 14:01 |
| Azelphur | diddledan: I have a pretty cool setup, my I have a web panel where I can add TV shows and my system will auto-grab stuff as it comes out :P | 14:01 |
| ali1234 | much like wayland, it's not usable yet and doesn't look like it will e any time soon | 14:01 |
| diddledan | how fast does raspberry pi encode h264 using it's super fancy co processor? | 14:01 |
| Azelphur | and the web service uses a recommendation engine based on what I've already watched, which is cool too | 14:02 |
| ali1234 | (and mir too lest you think i am being biased) | 14:02 |
| diddledan | Azelphur: is it available for others? | 14:02 |
| Azelphur | diddledan: yup | 14:02 |
| Azelphur | I'm using flexget+trakt.tv | 14:02 |
| Azelphur | diddledan: http://trakt.tv/user/Azelphur/library/shows/all my library for example, :P | 14:03 |
| ali1234 | diddledan: babylon 5 is only available in super low quality... like VHS... they threw out all the 3D models and the live show was filmed on TV cameras, not film like TNG | 14:04 |
| diddledan | :-( | 14:04 |
| diddledan | that sucks | 14:04 |
| ali1234 | yeah but what can you do | 14:04 |
| diddledan | I suppose it reduced the cost when they were filming it | 14:04 |
| ali1234 | yeah it was single camera | 14:04 |
| ali1234 | everything about it was really cheap... if they had the footage on film it would just make the makeup look bad | 14:05 |
| diddledan | I was musing the other day over the transition between film and video before hi-def video - we've got like a decade of lost material where it was recorded direct to videotape where we can't improve the quality for hi-def video | 14:06 |
| ali1234 | a decade? more like 50 years | 14:06 |
| diddledan | now with 4k around the corner it's only getting worse | 14:07 |
| ali1234 | it's not the end of the world | 14:07 |
| ali1234 | i mean if a show is good it does not matter | 14:08 |
| mgdm | didn't realise TNG was film | 14:08 |
| ali1234 | it was, that's how they were able to do the HD re release recently | 14:08 |
| mgdm | ah yes, of course | 14:09 |
| lornajane | bingo! It built :) | 14:09 |
| diddledan | well done, lornajane | 14:09 |
| diplo | I've written my own thing like the trakt.tv thing Azelphur | 14:09 |
| Azelphur | o.O | 14:09 |
| diplo | Your list is very much like my personal one :) | 14:09 |
| Azelphur | nice | 14:10 |
| diplo | not seen under the dome though | 14:12 |
| diplo | Actually hadn't heard of it | 14:12 |
| popey | i always thought TNG was video | 14:13 |
| dwdorig | popey, Made by Paramount, who're a film company at heart. | 14:15 |
| ali1234 | popey: it looks like video because it was all edited on video and then converted to PAL from that | 14:21 |
| ali1234 | but they kept the film masters and so were able to remake it all | 14:22 |
| ali1234 | at massive cost | 14:22 |
| popey | ahh | 14:22 |
| popey | did they recoup that from the HD releases? | 14:22 |
| popey | I imagine there's a fair few fans who would buy that stuff | 14:22 |
| davmor2 | popey: I though TNG was the startrek with picard at the helm | 14:23 |
| popey | I didn't say it wasn't ☻ | 14:23 |
| ali1234 | no idea, but i guess they thought they would or they wouldn't have done it | 14:24 |
| mungbean | is it OK to have an ldif file with lots of add: userid lines after the usual changetype:modify etc? | 14:25 |
| directhex | ali1234, the worst bit is all the B5 CG was rendered interlaced | 14:25 |
| ali1234 | haha lol | 14:25 |
| mungbean | don't worry, it's yes | 14:25 |
| dwdorig | directhex, Right, it was NTSC only and all sorts. I seem to recall the showed it slightly letterboxed on C4. | 14:25 |
| ali1234 | interlace is great if you have an interlaced display otherwise it's a complete nightmare | 14:26 |
| directhex | the image quality on the main portions of B5 is actually okay, on the DVD releases. there are just occasional sections that look utterly dreadful | 14:26 |
| * TheOpenSourcerer is having an odd kind of day. Not seemingly able to focus on anything... Might go and mow the lawn instead. | 14:26 | |
| directhex | typically sections with CG composited into the background | 14:26 |
| ali1234 | yeah it's watchable... it looks like the old TNG repeats on cheap satellite channels. you wouldn't accept it from a show made today but it is watchable | 14:26 |
| dwdorig | It was ground-breaking for its time, though. All those NewTek video toasters and stuff. | 14:27 |
| dwdorig | Still tragic that the best space scenes remain in 2001, though, which didn't have any CG at all. | 14:27 |
| diddledan | does it still claim the title as the only space scifi that shows a toilet? | 14:27 |
| diddledan | b5 I mean | 14:28 |
| ali1234 | i'm pretty sure red dwarf must have had a toilet in it at some point | 14:28 |
| ali1234 | also i don't remember the toilet in b5 | 14:28 |
| diddledan | you'd hope so :-p | 14:28 |
| popey | did HHGTTG not have a loo? | 14:28 |
| popey | well, they teleported from a cubicle | 14:28 |
| dwdorig | 2001 also had a toilet scene, I think. | 14:29 |
| popey | from within the ship powered by bistromathics | 14:29 |
| directhex | b5 felt real. real people. star trek was far too utopian to feel realistic | 14:29 |
| bashrc | bistromathics? | 14:29 |
| lornajane | bashrc: it is what it sounds like it's going to be | 14:29 |
| directhex | and then they say "oh, oops, it's not utopian at all" in their series set on a space station next to a jumpgate | 14:29 |
| directhex | erm, wormhole | 14:29 |
| directhex | whoops, how did i possibly make that error | 14:29 |
| diddledan | bashrc: bistromaths is the mathematics of how many spits the waiter is going to put in your soup today | 14:30 |
| diddledan | and related things | 14:30 |
| bashrc | :-) | 14:30 |
| ali1234 | directhex: yeah i always say that TNG feels like propaganda and the truth is that star fleet is a lot more like the US millitary than the federation citizens know | 14:30 |
| popey | that is relfected in the new Star Trek | 14:30 |
| ali1234 | ie it's a lot more like DS9 in reality | 14:30 |
| popey | but they put it down to one bad guy in the ranks | 14:31 |
| mgdm | DS9 \o/ | 14:31 |
| dwdorig | http://davidszondy.com/future/space/zero_g_toilet.htm - 2001's toilet instructions. Actual toilet wasn't shown I think. | 14:31 |
| diddledan | I still haven't seen Into Darkness yet | 14:31 |
| directhex | b5 had its crap episodes, sure, but i think it did a great job of presenting a warts-and-all view of how much the future sucks | 14:31 |
| ali1234 | everyone hated DS9 at the time but it is actually quite good looking back | 14:31 |
| bashrc | Maybe the future is like the past. Imagine if all the oil runs out. | 14:32 |
| brobostigon | and avery brooks happens to be a good singer and pianist. | 14:32 |
| directhex | i was ambivalent about it at the time. i haven't changed my opinion since then | 14:32 |
| ali1234 | directhex: but you are like that about everything | 14:32 |
| dwdorig | directhex, Firmly ambivalent, or just vaguely so? | 14:33 |
| diddledan | can one be vaguely ambivalent? | 14:33 |
| bashrc | maybe in the future there will be not so many spaceships and more horses and carts | 14:33 |
| directhex | ali1234, no, sometimes i hate things too | 14:33 |
| diddledan | isn't the whole point of ambivalence that it's somewhat vague? | 14:33 |
| bashrc | meh | 14:33 |
| directhex | 'I do not know with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones' | 14:33 |
| diddledan | bashrc: as long as the internet works ok, I'm happy | 14:34 |
| dwdorig | directhex, Churchill, wasn't it? Or am I misattributing? | 14:34 |
| ali1234 | einstein | 14:35 |
| dwdorig | ali1234, I was close. | 14:36 |
| dwdorig | Well, close-ish. It's all relative. | 14:36 |
| ali1234 | ha | 14:37 |
| diddledan | *groan* | 14:37 |
| * dwdorig bows | 14:37 | |
| diplo | Anyone here use beautifulsoup module in python ? | 14:44 |
| Seeker` | tried it | 14:44 |
| diplo | much luck? | 14:45 |
| Seeker` | didn't seem to be able to parse the whole of the page, and silently cut off half of what I wanted to scrape | 14:45 |
| diplo | I can do most things so far, Trying to display anything inside of a span with a class | 14:45 |
| Seeker` | ended up using perl instead :P | 14:46 |
| diplo | :) | 14:46 |
| Seeker` | which is a complete mess. But it works. | 14:46 |
| popey | i have used beautifulsoup to scrape my online banking | 14:47 |
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| diplo | My code sucks I guess | 14:48 |
| diplo | So, I have a <span class="name"> loads of lis etc here </span> | 14:49 |
| diplo | And I want to retrieve from span to /span and all inside and dump it into a db | 14:49 |
| diplo | All I get is the first <h2> and then it stops | 14:49 |
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| diplo | http://www.hotlines-uk.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=81685 | 14:50 |
| diplo | If anyone has any suggestions on anything other than beautiful soup I'm all ears :) | 14:50 |
| BigRedS | when did hotlines start selling bikes? | 14:51 |
| diplo | They don't afaik | 14:51 |
| diplo | Supplying them ? | 14:51 |
| BigRedS | that looks a lot like a shop... | 14:52 |
| diplo | No basket though ?just RRP's | 14:52 |
| BigRedS | oh yeah | 14:52 |
| popey | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/06/mir-display-server-to-ship-default-in-ubuntu-13-10 | 14:52 |
| BigRedS | slightly more OT, though, I'd not get that one | 14:52 |
| BigRedS | generally, full sus < £1500 is pretty poor | 14:53 |
| BigRedS | though I've been not really listening for about the past five years... | 14:53 |
| ali1234 | popey: good. | 14:55 |
| ali1234 | pity it won't work with proprietary drivers though | 14:55 |
| popey | yeah, fallback for those | 14:56 |
| ali1234 | this pretty much means you'll have to choose between mir and steam. guess which one is going to win... | 14:56 |
| BigRedS | hah. Be amusing to see Ubuntu going from the "Your computer looks too free" prompt to explicitly not supporting closed graphics drivers :) | 14:56 |
| ali1234 | it's the same as the situation with the first release of unity really | 14:57 |
| diddledan | I guess it's the only way to drive the gfx vendors to crating drivers for mir/wayland/etc. | 14:58 |
| ali1234 | nah, they won't do it anyway | 14:58 |
| diddledan | it sucks because the opensource gfx drivers for my amd card cause the fan to spin stupid fast | 14:58 |
| ali1234 | it will be at least 3 years before you see a wayland or mir driver from nvidia | 14:58 |
| popey | they will | 14:58 |
| ali1234 | for desktop that is | 14:59 |
| ali1234 | they might make drivers for phone BSPs | 14:59 |
| ali1234 | but those aren't much use | 14:59 |
| bashrc | Does that mean that Mir will be incredibly slow? | 14:59 |
| ali1234 | also they'll probably only do it for brand new cards | 14:59 |
| popey | no bashrc | 14:59 |
| ali1234 | bashrc: it means it won't work at all if you have a real graphics card | 14:59 |
| bashrc | i.e. no 3D acceleration | 14:59 |
| ali1234 | unless you cripple it with the open source drivers | 15:00 |
| bashrc | is that a feature? ;-) | 15:00 |
| bashrc | as exhibit A I cite Gnome Shell without 3D acceleration | 15:00 |
| diddledan | I read an interesting interview with raspi's eben upton in linuxformat this month - he pointed out that the graphics processor on the pi is the only non-gl backend currently available for wayland, and opengl backends suck in general because gl is evil | 15:01 |
| ali1234 | bashrc: it's not really about 3d | 15:02 |
| ali1234 | gnome shell doesn't use most of what a 3d card does and the stuff it does need is in the open source drivers | 15:03 |
| bashrc | but without 3D acceleration Gnome Shell is so slow as to be unusable | 15:03 |
| ali1234 | when it uses the software fallback it's slow because it is now 100% software | 15:03 |
| ali1234 | it doesn't use that mode on eg nouveau though | 15:03 |
| ali1234 | the problem is nouveau can't run games | 15:04 |
| ali1234 | so mir will be fast but games will be slow, crash, or just plain not work at all | 15:04 |
| bashrc | that might rain on the steam parade | 15:04 |
| ali1234 | yes quite | 15:04 |
| ali1234 | i do wonder what valve thinks about having to port all of it's games to a new driver architecture after they just finished doing it for the existing one | 15:05 |
| bashrc | So without the support of the graphics card suppliers Mir could be a shot in the foot for Canonical, at a time when Ubuntu seems just about to become a possible commercial gaming platform | 15:06 |
| diddledan | valve is going to go console-based using linux so it doesn't really matter what the desktops are using | 15:06 |
| diddledan | imo | 15:06 |
| bashrc | OTOH the games industry could just stick with 12.04 for the next 4 years, by which time anything could have happened | 15:14 |
| diddledan | the second coming and the heralded apocalypse? | 15:15 |
| bashrc | Zombies. Alien invasions. | 15:15 |
| bashrc | In 4 years time netbooks might be back in fashion | 15:15 |
| diddledan | HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! | 15:16 |
| lornajane | well, we're all using tablets with keyboards ... which looks a lot like a netbook to me | 15:16 |
| diddledan | sorry, but, seriously?! :-p | 15:16 |
| bashrc | a crappy netbook | 15:16 |
| * BigRedS still wants a psion | 15:16 | |
| BigRedS | all the netbooks were a bit too big for me - small enough that the keyboard is poor, but too big to go in a pocket | 15:16 |
| lornajane | I have a phone with a keyboard, it's very useful | 15:16 |
| BigRedS | I've been eyeing up a small tablet and a keyboard recently | 15:17 |
| bashrc | I should get one of those vintage IBM keyboards and try connecting it up to a tablet | 15:17 |
| lornajane | yeah I'm hanging on for more news of a new nexus 7 | 15:17 |
| BigRedS | bashrc: I have seen a bluetoothed model M somewhere | 15:17 |
| BigRedS | just a ps/2->usb adaptor and a usb->bluetooth one hidden inside the case | 15:18 |
| diddledan | I think it's hungrytime | 15:20 |
| mgdm | lornajane: me too - I was about to buy a 7 before my brother told me there was a new one on the way | 15:20 |
| lornajane | mgdm: I'm watching for that and the s4 mini - but not sure I can afford both! | 15:22 |
| lornajane | my phone is on it's way out however, battery is dying and mechanically it's falling apart | 15:22 |
| lornajane | why nobody makes a phone with a keyboard nowadays, I really don't know | 15:22 |
| lornajane | I actually want a candybar with number buttons and the ability to tether :) | 15:22 |
| mgdm | there was one I saw the other day that I *think* ran recent android | 15:22 |
| mgdm | but I can't rememebr what it was | 15:22 |
| lornajane | mgdm: the other problem is that I can very rarely get a phone of decent spec into my pocket | 15:23 |
| bigcalm | Coo, couple of bi-planes just flew over head. Strange to see planes flying slowly around here | 15:23 |
| lornajane | ladies are really supposed to have handbags but I fail at that! | 15:23 |
| mgdm | heh heh | 15:23 |
| dwdorig | lornajane, I can cope with "big enough screen" over keyboard on a phone, but for the tablet, I use an ASUS transformer that has a real keyboard. | 15:25 |
| bigcalm | Why do they make lady's trouser pockets so small? | 15:25 |
| dwdorig | lornajane, That said, there's a bunch of slightly older US imports that have keyboards. Or you can grab a bluetooth keyboard, too. | 15:26 |
| lornajane | I currently have the xperia mini pro which is fabulous - but *tiny* so it's really hard to read on | 15:26 |
| lornajane | that said I mostly use my phone for email, so the keyboard is used a lot and I find it really useful. Even on a table (husband has a nexus 10) I find the soft keyboards unreasonably hard to use, dunno why | 15:26 |
| dwdorig | lornajane, For prose typing, I find Swype good enough. | 15:27 |
| lornajane | dwdorig: I think I do need to learn a new input technique, yes | 15:27 |
| BigRedS | yeah, I've just started using a swipey keyboard and it's way better than the soft ones I've been settling for since the demise of my G1 | 15:27 |
| dwdorig | lornajane, But only on the phone - on the tablet it's too big, I anything longer than a sentence I dock it. | 15:27 |
| * brobostigon likes hackers keyboard, as it has normal keys other soft keyboards dont have. | 15:28 | |
| dwdorig | brobostigon, Yes, for SSH and code. | 15:28 |
| dwdorig | brobostigon, But for prose - like emails - Swype is my weapon of choice. | 15:28 |
| brobostigon | dwdorig: on my nexus7, i have that set as standard. | 15:28 |
| brobostigon | dwdorig: but yes, on smaller screens, it wouldnt be practical. | 15:29 |
| lornajane | I have yet to see any touch screen input faster than typing t9 on an old-style phone keypad. And you could do that one-handed and not looking | 15:30 |
| lornajane | I also touch type at the computer, so that makes everything else seem crazy slow! | 15:30 |
| diddledan | I only pretend to touch type | 15:31 |
| lornajane | I'm a 90 WPM girl when I know what I want to say | 15:31 |
| brobostigon | you could probably use dasher on handed. | 15:31 |
| diddledan | I make too many mistakes for it to be valid | 15:31 |
| brobostigon | one* | 15:31 |
| dwdorig | lornajane, Swype - real Swype, not the copies - is extremely impressive. It approaches around 60 WPM when you're in the flow of things. | 15:31 |
| * lornajane is taking notes of things to try - probably on borrowed tablet rather than underpowered phone | 15:32 | |
| dwdorig | lornajane, The copies are OK, mind, but tend not to do punctuation and capitalization in the same flow, so it's not quite as good. | 15:32 |
| lornajane | or I have a spare HTC Sensation | 15:32 |
| dwdorig | Of course, touch-typing on an iPad is much better, because it has the little dots on F and J to help you. ;-) | 15:33 |
| Gary | I love those dots | 15:34 |
| diddledan | o_O | 15:35 |
| diddledan | touchtyping on the ipad is evil because you can't rest on any of the keys without it picking up as a keypress | 15:36 |
| diddledan | that and you have to put the pad down on something | 15:36 |
| mgdm | actually, I really like the keyboard inside the lid of a Surface | 15:37 |
| mgdm | it's a nice idea (I've not tried the one with actual keys, but the one with a keyboard printed on is surprisingly good) | 15:37 |
| dwdorig | mgdm, I've not tried that - it reminded me on a ZX Spectrum when I saw it though. I take it it feels better? | 15:37 |
| mgdm | well, you're typing on a dead surface that doesn't react, same as an iPad, but you're not typing on the actual screen so there's more space to see what you're up to | 15:39 |
| mgdm | and you can prop it up properly | 15:39 |
| dwdorig | Right, yes, and in addition I suppose it's not very bulky. | 15:42 |
| mgdm | aye | 15:42 |
| dwdorig | I've a TF101 and TF700T, where you get additional bulk from the dock, but you get additional battery too - for me that's a great trade-off. | 15:43 |
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| ali1234 | how can i write this piece of C++11 code so that it compiles with gcc-4.6? | 17:44 |
| ali1234 | Racer::Racer(SceneManager *mSceneMgr, int n) : Racer(mSceneMgr, n, new PilotAI(this)) {;} | 17:44 |
| ali1234 | it doesn't work with --std=C++0x | 17:45 |
| ali1234 | i guess i should just update the compiler | 17:51 |
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| ali1234 | xnox: any idea when we might see mingw-w64 gcc-4.7+ in debian and/or ubuntu? | 17:56 |
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| ali1234 | hmm opensuse has 4.8.1 | 18:25 |
| ali1234 | maybe i should just switch to OBS | 18:25 |
| directhex | https://launchpad.net/~directhex/+archive/monoxide/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=raring | 18:35 |
| Laney | grargh | 19:31 |
| Laney | I keep missing the GRUB timeout | 19:31 |
| Laney | did it like three times in a row | 19:31 |
| Laney | want to get to gameOS | 19:31 |
| popey | I am happily using GameOS™ much less these days | 19:32 |
| popey | Thanks to Steam™ | 19:32 |
| MartijnVdS | So.. anyone looking for a coder? ;) | 19:33 |
| popey | oof. | 19:33 |
| popey | You looking for a job? | 19:33 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: they just announced plans to eliminate my team by April | 19:33 |
| MartijnVdS | so.. yeah | 19:33 |
| popey | Sounds harsh. | 19:33 |
| MartijnVdS | yeah, 30% of the company is being kicked out | 19:34 |
| popey | I mean, they could just fire you. | 19:34 |
| popey | elimination seems overkill (as it were) | 19:34 |
| popey | sorry for making light of it | 19:34 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: I've been making jokes all day, don't worry | 19:34 |
| * popey pokes MartijnVdS with a pm | 19:34 | |
| MartijnVdS | eww | 19:35 |
| popey | you love it | 19:35 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: not in public ;) | 19:36 |
| BigRedS | MartijnVdS: aren't you in a weird place? | 19:41 |
| BigRedS | Holland or somewhere | 19:41 |
| MartijnVdS | BigRedS: yes, I am | 19:41 |
| MartijnVdS | and it's not "official" yet, they have to jump through some (law) hoops for a few weeks first | 19:42 |
| BigRedS | Booking.com appear to be always hiring perl types round there | 19:43 |
| MartijnVdS | BigRedS: they are | 19:43 |
| MartijnVdS | BigRedS: they're always at YAPC::EU and ::NA with a huge recruitment stand | 19:43 |
| BigRedS | Yeah, they turn up at London.pm stuff, too, trying to get people to emigrate | 19:44 |
| BigRedS | I've much booking.com branded tat :) | 19:44 |
| MartijnVdS | BigRedS: I have a few things as well 8-) | 19:44 |
| shauno | hm, is there no alternate CD anymore? how does one force a textmode install these days? | 19:45 |
| MartijnVdS | shauno: www.debian.org :P | 19:45 |
| DJones | shauno: Minimal iso | 19:45 |
| DJones | !minimal | 19:45 |
| lubotu3 | The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want. The installer is text based (rather than graphical as used on the Desktop DVD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD | 19:45 |
| shauno | I was trying to avoid that because I won't be able to get my wifi up :( | 19:45 |
| DJones | I think the last alternate iso was 12.04 | 19:46 |
| shauno | hm, that might be good enough, ta | 19:46 |
| Laney | you could use a server cd | 19:46 |
| shauno | the real install is throwing me into a 'low graphics mode' which doesn't actually work | 19:47 |
| mungbean | need to settle a dispute with my wife | 19:58 |
| mungbean | who has kids around 3, 3.5 in age? | 19:59 |
| alistair | hello is there anyway i can uninstall a package and turn it into a tarball or .deb package so i can reinstall it later if i want to? | 20:08 |
| BigRedS | if it was installed as a deb package it might still be knocking around in apt's cache | 20:10 |
| alistair | many thanks :-) | 20:13 |
| shauno | hm, server and alternate both fail to find the cdrom because it was booted with grub loopback | 20:13 |
| popey | alistair: or apt-get -d <package> which will download only the deb | 20:14 |
| popey | and put it in /var/cache/apt/ | 20:15 |
| BigRedS | yeah, if it's still in the archives | 20:17 |
| ali1234 | is anyone on GameOS right now? | 20:18 |
| popey | just booting it | 20:19 |
| ali1234 | want to test my windows build? | 20:19 |
| popey | fancied some portal 2 | 20:19 |
| popey | yeah! | 20:19 |
| ali1234 | i just had to rewrite the constructors because no delegating constructors | 20:19 |
| * MartijnVdS wants Portal 2 for Linux | 20:19 | |
| popey | +1 | 20:19 |
| ali1234 | do you have an xbox or ps3 joypad? | 20:19 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: I have a PS3-shaped USB joypad | 20:20 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: also a PS3 joypad but that's linked to the PS3 ;) | 20:20 |
| ali1234 | that isn't good enough unless it's one f the supported logitech types | 20:20 |
| popey | I have a USB attched gamecube one ☻ | 20:20 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: it's a Logitech | 20:20 |
| popey | or ouya one | 20:20 |
| MartijnVdS | [178441.747808] logitech 0003:046D:C218.0004: Force feedback for Logitech RumblePad/Rumblepad 2 by Anssi Hannula <anssi.hannula@gmail.com> | 20:21 |
| MartijnVdS | seems to be at least a bit supported | 20:21 |
| diddledan | surely that's a rumblepad, not a joypad (I have no idea on what either are!) | 20:21 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan: http://www.pcdistrict.com/modules/productcatalog/product_images/125125-logitech-rumblepad-2-2581.jpg | 20:22 |
| ali1234 | it has to be one of these: http://hg.libsdl.org/SDL/file/c7346a060a7d/src/joystick/SDL_gamecontroller.c#l92 | 20:22 |
| MartijnVdS | Bus 003 Device 022: ID 046d:c218 Logitech, Inc. Logitech RumblePad 2 USB | 20:22 |
| MartijnVdS | it has all the PS3 buttons | 20:22 |
| ali1234 | or you have to configure your joypad in steam big picture mode and then send me the line from the config file and i patch it into SDL | 20:22 |
| popey | heh | 20:23 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: OK :) | 20:23 |
| popey | effort++ | 20:23 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: which config file do I look in?> | 20:23 |
| ali1234 | grep for the name you saved the joypad config as (it prompts you) | 20:24 |
| ali1234 | you'll see a line like those ones ^ | 20:24 |
| ali1234 | i can't remember the exact file and my internet has gone strange | 20:24 |
| ali1234 | anyway you don't need joypad to test... | 20:25 |
| ali1234 | you just won't be able to drive | 20:25 |
| popey | ooh! http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/06/half-life-2-sequel-turn-stable-on-steam-for-linux | 20:26 |
| MartijnVdS | config.vdf:"SDL_GamepadBind""030000006d04000018c2000010010000,Logitech RumblePad 2,a:b1,b:b2,y:b3,x:b0,start:b9,back:b8,leftstick:b10,rightstick:b11,leftshoulder:b4,rightshoulder:b5,dpup:h0.1,dpleft:h0.8,dpdown:h0.4,dpright:h0.2,leftx:a0,lefty:a1,rightx:a2,righty:a3,lefttrigger:b6,righttrigger:b7," | 20:27 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: ^ | 20:27 |
| ali1234 | that was done on linux? | 20:27 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: yes | 20:27 |
| MartijnVdS | just now | 20:28 |
| ali1234 | ok let me see how to patch this in to the source | 20:28 |
| dwdorig | This Steam conversation reminds me - has anyone got Garrys Mod working on 13.04 64-bit yet? | 20:28 |
| ali1234 | the mappings are different on windows and linux | 20:28 |
| ali1234 | maybe i should just read this from a file | 20:29 |
| MartijnVdS | dwdorig: trying now | 20:29 |
| MartijnVdS | dwdorig: could not load library | 20:29 |
| dwdorig | MartijnVdS, Right, that's what I get. I wondered if there was a solution. | 20:30 |
| dwdorig | MartijnVdS, I also wondered if it just hated me. | 20:34 |
| ali1234 | actually on windows the game controllers might "just work" | 20:34 |
| MartijnVdS | as long as you have the 50MB driver installed | 20:35 |
| directhex | joysticks should just be HID | 20:36 |
| directhex | and the xbox 360 controller as "standard" means games basically have all the calibration data out of the box | 20:36 |
| MartijnVdS | directhex: sure, and printers should just speak PCL or PS ;) | 20:36 |
| directhex | all pads these days should be emitting 360-style mappings & calibration data, so onscreen prompts etc just line up | 20:37 |
| MartijnVdS | my USB pad is older though | 20:37 |
| directhex | e.g. logitech pads act as 360 pads | 20:37 |
| MartijnVdS | directhex: this one is from the PS2 era | 20:37 |
| MartijnVdS | so no X360-compayt | 20:37 |
| directhex | oh | 20:37 |
| MartijnVdS | G-UF13 (http://www.logitech.com/en-us/support/288) | 20:38 |
| directhex | monogame used to have a gui for configuring joypads. getting it removed is one of my finer moments | 20:38 |
| popey | heh | 20:38 |
| directhex | t'was closed source | 20:38 |
| popey | now, do i trust this random binary from some internet person | 20:42 |
| ali1234 | well you probably should not *shrug* | 20:43 |
| ali1234 | otoh it's only windows, you should have anything private on it anyway | 20:43 |
| ali1234 | +n't | 20:43 |
| mungbean | mate of mine impounded a glow in the dark lambo outside harrods | 20:43 |
| mungbean | looks hideous | 20:44 |
| ali1234 | tbh it probably won't even work | 20:44 |
| popey | libgcc_s_slj-1.ddll missing | 20:44 |
| ali1234 | hmm :/ | 20:44 |
| popey | libgcc_s_sjlj-1.dll missing rather | 20:45 |
| ali1234 | probably in the toolchain somewhere... searching for it | 20:45 |
| ali1234 | uploading | 20:47 |
| popey | ahh, mingw | 20:47 |
| ali1234 | yeah everything is cross compiled | 20:47 |
| ali1234 | that's why i've been moaning about ubuntu only having 4.6 all day | 20:47 |
| popey | there is an advert on your download page | 20:47 |
| ali1234 | and also why i have never tested it on windows | 20:47 |
| ali1234 | yup | 20:47 |
| popey | how odd | 20:47 |
| ali1234 | i know :) | 20:47 |
| popey | wtf | 20:48 |
| ali1234 | i've made £5 so far lol | 20:48 |
| popey | haha | 20:48 |
| bigcalm | Good evening peeps :) | 20:48 |
| popey | brilliant | 20:48 |
| popey | doesn't like that dll | 20:49 |
| ali1234 | my upload is so slow :( | 20:49 |
| popey | oh, not finished? | 20:49 |
| ali1234 | yeah it only just finished downloading | 20:49 |
| ali1234 | *up | 20:49 |
| popey | missing libstdc++-6.dll ☻ | 20:50 |
| ali1234 | *sigh* | 20:50 |
| ali1234 | i bet that one is huge as well | 20:51 |
| ali1234 | popey: uploaded | 20:56 |
| popey | k | 20:57 |
| popey | Nice! | 20:57 |
| popey | It's like watching one of your youtube videos | 20:57 |
| ali1234 | decent framerate then? | 20:58 |
| popey | yeah | 20:58 |
| ali1234 | if all the cars drive themselves, it means your joypad is not supported by SDL's built in definitions | 20:58 |
| popey | solid | 20:58 |
| mungbean | do me a solid | 20:58 |
| mungbean | i've been using that phrase (ironically) a lot this week | 20:59 |
| popey | ☻ | 20:59 |
| ali1234 | it sounds painful | 20:59 |
| popey | ali1234: it stops after a while? | 20:59 |
| ali1234 | er... yeah after all the cars complete 3 laps or die by falling off | 21:00 |
| ali1234 | i'm surprised it even runs to be honest | 21:01 |
| ali1234 | literally none of the libraries are supposed to be cross compiled and i had to fix all of them in many ways | 21:01 |
| popey | ali1234: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSmR8h93Lsg | 21:04 |
| shauno | How do I configure xorg if it doesn't manage auto? | 21:05 |
| popey | what video card? | 21:05 |
| ali1234 | nice one :) | 21:05 |
| ali1234 | MartijnVdS: the linux tgz is up, pm'ing url. you should not need any of these funny dlls... | 21:05 |
| popey | hah | 21:07 |
| shauno | not entirely sure :) lspci just calls it intel 2nd generation core family integrated | 21:08 |
| shauno | But I think using inteldrmfb is getting in the way | 21:08 |
| popey | is it a mac? | 21:08 |
| popey | ali1234: framerate on my laptop is terrible, unsurprisingly | 21:08 |
| shauno | Yeah | 21:09 |
| ali1234 | well yeah | 21:09 |
| popey | is it dual cards? | 21:09 |
| popey | intel + nvidia | 21:09 |
| shauno | yup, but I have the radon disabled | 21:09 |
| ali1234 | you will need recent nvidia or ati because it is doing some complex stencil buffer shadow effects | 21:09 |
| shauno | radeon (sorry, phone is spelling for me) | 21:09 |
| popey | strange xorg should just figure it out | 21:10 |
| shauno | The catch is I'm trying to boot with efi, so I have to disable the amd card else it fails | 21:10 |
| shauno | it's not doing a bad job with the video itself, but it's not finding any input devices. so I get to this; http://cl.ly/image/401A36260C1y | 21:14 |
| shauno | but can't use the keyboard/mouse to hit Okay (but can ctrl+alt+F1 to get to a term) | 21:14 |
| bigcalm | Oooo. HL2 et al are no longer showing as "Beta" in Steam. I wonder how close we are to a Portal 2 release | 21:15 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: half life 3 confirmed! | 21:15 |
| dwatkins | MartijnVdS: whaaaaa? :D:D:D | 21:16 |
| bigcalm | MartijnVdS: no wai! | 21:16 |
| MartijnVdS | that's the default reddit reply to steam news | 21:16 |
| bigcalm | HL3 or HL2 ep 3? | 21:16 |
| dwatkins | ah | 21:17 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: Gabe Newell was in the Clang kickstarter video though: | 21:17 |
| MartijnVdS | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/260688528/clang?ref=live | 21:17 |
| dwatkins | you meanie, MartijnVdS :-p | 21:17 |
| dwdorig | MartijnVdS, You're a cruel, heartless man. | 21:17 |
| MartijnVdS | ^ around 3 minutes into the video | 21:17 |
| MartijnVdS | Gabe hammering a red-hot crowbar "Is it ready?" "These things take time" | 21:18 |
| dwatkins | I like the idea that HL3 might be Linux only - unlikely, but it amuses me to think that might be the case | 21:18 |
| ali1234 | for HL3 they should license full life consequences | 21:18 |
| ali1234 | it's got a better story than anything valve have come up with | 21:18 |
| dwatkins | :A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad." - Shigeru Miyamoto | 21:19 |
| dwatkins | s/:/"/ | 21:19 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: that, AND concerned | 21:19 |
| ali1234 | is that the webcomic? | 21:19 |
| ali1234 | yeah :) | 21:20 |
| MartijnVdS | yeah, with Frohman | 21:20 |
| ali1234 | that was pretty good too | 21:20 |
| dwdorig | dwatkins, Three words for you. | 21:20 |
| dwdorig | dwatkins, "Duke Nukem Forever" | 21:20 |
| dwatkins | dwdorig: precisely | 21:21 |
| dwatkins | one can delay too long | 21:21 |
| MartijnVdS | Daikatana | 21:21 |
| MartijnVdS | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_commercial_failures_in_video_gaming | 21:21 |
| ali1234 | i was reading that page the other day | 21:22 |
| ali1234 | rise of the robots is missing from it | 21:22 |
| dwatkins | Pac Mac was majorly hyped for the Atari 2600, but was a complete let-down, it contributed to the decline of the games industry at the time | 21:22 |
| popey | gosh, had never seen clang | 21:23 |
| dwatkins | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pac-Man_(Atari_2600)#Reception | 21:23 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: read Snow Crash, you'll know where he got his idea ;) | 21:23 |
| dwatkins | I assume Snow Crash was the inspiration for The Matrix. | 21:23 |
| ali1234 | i don't see how clang can work without haptic feedback | 21:23 |
| dwatkins | ...and Second Life | 21:23 |
| MartijnVdS | ...and minecraft | 21:24 |
| bashar_ | hi m8s | 21:50 |
| bashar_ | anyone watch chil porn? | 21:51 |
| shauno | and I thought I was off-topic | 21:52 |
| dwatkins | !coc | 21:55 |
| lubotu3 | The Ubuntu Code of Conduct is a community etiquette document to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere | http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/conduct | For information on how to electronically sign the CoC, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SigningCodeofConduct | Watch http://static.screencasts.ubuntu.com/videos/2010/12/22/004-SigningCoC.ogv | 21:55 |
| xnox | ali1234: it's been a while since i was involved in any of that. ask debian maintainer, there have been uploads recently. | 21:58 |
| ali1234 | ok, thanks | 21:59 |
| BigRedS | acpi | 23:13 |
| BigRedS | oop | 23:13 |
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