[05:59] <Kilos> morning all and sundry
[06:10] <Kilos> eish Symmetria is all that mail about not wanting to go ipv6 or what?
[06:36] <Kilos> morning Spaceghost 
[06:36] <Kilos> booo
[06:36] <Spaceghost> Hello Kilos.
[06:37] <Spaceghost> I am not going to say good morning because it is not here yet :P.
[06:37] <Kilos> hahaha where are you?
[06:37] <Spaceghost> Uruguay.
[06:38] <Kilos> whew
[06:39] <Symmetria> morning
[06:39] <Symmetria> lol kilos you been reading the mails on that mailnig list?
[06:39] <Symmetria> some of them are entertaining ;p
[06:39] <Kilos> ya but takes forever man
[06:40] <Kilos> is it all about not wanting to go ipv6 or is there more involved
[06:40] <Kilos> like costs
[06:43] <Symmetria> kilos heh, there is a lot more to it than that
[06:43] <Symmetria> firstly, afrinic hasnt run their financial models and doesnt know how to so they are being idiots 
[06:44] <Symmetria> secondly, there are the geo-political and racial issues 
[06:44] <Symmetria> thirdly, there is the issue that the proposal originated out of south africa and we already have space, and there are idiots who believe that south africa will end up with even more ipv4 space while the rest of the continent gets screwed, which is completely inaccurate since its the rest of the continent not south africa that will get the space under this
[06:45] <Symmetria> and forth, there are certain forces in AfriNIC who are hell bent on opposing anything I specifically do or stand for, because they arent happy with the fact that I called them out on their shocking non-existant corporate governance issues
[06:45] <Symmetria> so you're dealing with a very political issue :) 
[06:45] <Kilos> whew
[06:45] <Kilos> good luck
[06:46] <Symmetria> lol, afrinic is always deeply political, there are 2 many factions, and its very? african? in that sense, the west africans and the east africans and the southern africans and the northern africans do not exactly see eye to eye
[06:46] <Symmetria> they all want total control 
[06:47] <Symmetria> then add to the fact that the anglosaxan countries and the frankaphone countries never agree on anything just like the french and the english in the UK dont agree on anything
[06:47] <Kilos> typical
[06:47] <Symmetria> heh the language and culture divide between english and french in africa is vast and almost unbridgeable 
[06:48] <Kilos> power gone wbb
[06:59] <HawkiesZA> Morning!
[07:02]  * HawkiesZA basks in the sound of crickets
[07:05] <magespawn> good morning all
[07:06] <Symmetria> morning 
[07:07] <magespawn> afrinic almost sounds more trouble than its worth
[07:08] <Symmetria> magespawn sadly, without a functional afrinic, the internet in africa stops growing period
[07:08] <Symmetria> as completely broken as they are, they are still a critical part of the internet infrastructure in africa 
[07:08] <Symmetria> and if they get any more broken, every single person using the internet will feel the effects
[07:08] <Symmetria> so *someone* has to try and stop the rot
[07:09] <magespawn> from the discussion above, it is amazing any6hing has been done at all
[07:11] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[07:11] <Kilos> HawkiesZA, too
[07:11] <magespawn> morning Kilos 
[07:11] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[07:11] <HawkiesZA> Morning Kilos
[07:14] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:16] <magespawn> hi Vince-0 HawkiesZA 
[07:16] <HawkiesZA> Howdy magespawn 
[07:19] <Vince-0> haai
[07:20] <Vince-0> another kak day in paradise
[07:21] <Kilos> haha new word for me undecillion 
[07:21] <Kilos> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/51895-ipv6-is-sa-ready.html
[07:21] <Kilos> 36 zeroes
[07:25] <Kilos> hey magespawn http://test-ipv6.co.za/
[07:25] <magespawn> ty Kilos 
[07:25] <Kilos> seems like my setup can do it
[07:33] <Kilos> so does one leave things as they are atm or follow the links to enable ipv6?
[07:34] <Kilos> http://codeghar.wordpress.com/2012/08/03/ipv6-in-ubuntu-12-04/
[07:35] <magespawn> i think is largely a top down thing Kilos, it won't help you to do it if your isp is not
[07:35] <Kilos> i see that oke uses vim. why not gedit or nano?
[07:35] <Kilos> oh ya 8ta is ipv4 if im not misteken
[07:36] <magespawn> each to his own Kilos some say vim is more powerful
[07:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> none of our ISPs are providing ipv6 yet
[07:36] <magespawn> good day ThatGraemeGuy 
[07:37] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[07:37] <magespawn> apprently IS has the capacity
[07:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning :)
[07:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm sure they all have equipment thats capable
[07:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> most people at home don't
[07:38] <superfly> morning ThatGraemeGuy
[07:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'ello
[07:38] <superfly> yes, Telkom's current system (IPC or whatever it's called) doesn't support IPv6
[07:38] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, what equipment
[07:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: nano is the beetle to vim's Ferrari ;-)
[07:38] <Kilos> oh my
[07:38] <superfly> that's one of the reasons that ISP's are pushing to move to BitConnect (or whatever it's called)
[07:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: adsl routers for one
[07:38] <Kilos> i like nano
[07:40] <Kilos> i dont have a router, i wonder if my 3g modem can do it
[07:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> doesn't really matter, if the isp isn't doing it, then it makes no difference
[07:41] <Kilos> oh so there is no way of checking even
[07:41] <Kilos> hmm...
[07:43] <Vince-0> So I'm legally spoofing international number presentation to ZA callee's today - 
[07:43] <Vince-0> wtf
[07:59] <Kilos> Vince-0, whats spoofing?
[08:01] <Kilos> Maaz, define spoofing
[08:01] <Maaz> Kilos: I don't know about spoofing. Maybe you meant Spooling?
[08:01] <Kilos> QA, define spoofing
[08:01] <QA> Kilos: 45 Moby Thesaurus words for "spoofing": bamboozlement, befooling, bluffing, calculated deception, circumvention, conning, deceiving, deception, deceptiveness, defrauding, delusion, delusiveness, dupery, enmeshment, ensnarement, entanglement, entrapment, fallaciousness, fallacy, falseness, flimflam, flimflammery, fond illusion, fooling, hallucination, hoodwinking, illusion, kidding, mirage, outwitting, overreaching, phantasm, putting on, …
[08:08] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[08:22] <Vince-0> bamboozlement indeed
[08:22] <Kilos> hehe
[08:22] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[08:22] <Vince-0> calculated deception even 
[08:22] <psyatw> hi Vince-0
[08:22] <Vince-0> ha
[08:22] <Vince-0> hay
[08:29] <magespawn> Kilos: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoof
[08:29] <Kilos> ty magespawn 
[08:30] <Kilos> oh my naughty Vince-0 
[08:32] <Vince-0> I'm told its legitimate - just doing my job
[08:32] <Kilos> hehe
[08:47] <magespawn> i have always thought there is a difference between legit and legal
[08:56] <Vince-0> there is!
[09:02] <magespawn> Maaz tell trender http://mashable.com/2013/06/26/better-wifi-signal/
[09:02] <Maaz> magespawn: Okay, I'll tell trender on freenode
[09:13] <Kilos> yo smile4ever you early
[09:13] <smile4ever> Yes I am Kilos :D
[09:13] <smile4ever> Working on Wikipedia :D
[09:14] <Kilos> good man
[09:14] <smile4ever> I'm updating version numbers
[09:14] <smile4ever> and fixing some small and big problems
[09:15] <Kilos> keep up the good work
[09:15] <smile4ever> :)
[09:15] <smile4ever> What are you doing?
[09:16] <Kilos> very little
[09:17] <Kilos> hi charl 
[09:17] <charl> hi
[09:17] <charl> hi Kilos 
[09:17] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[09:17]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[09:18] <Kilos> hi henkj you been quiet
[09:19] <smile4ever> Kilos: you don't have a router, have you?
[09:20] <Kilos> nope 3g modem
[09:20] <charl> hi smile4ever 
[09:20] <charl> how's it going
[09:21] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[09:23] <smile4ever> Kilos: I see :) I have some trouble with my router
[09:23] <smile4ever> Wifi gets disabled randomly
[09:23] <Kilos> eish
[09:23] <henkj> hi Kilos 
[09:23] <Kilos> only wifi i have is the free 10g data they gave me
[09:23] <Kilos> hehe
[09:24] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[09:24] <Maaz> charl: Sure
[09:26] <charl> wow it turned into a busy thread on the afrinic list
[09:26] <Kilos> yeah too many mails
[09:27] <Kilos> i wish they would hurry and dewcide on something so i can unsubscribe
[09:30] <Kilos> decide
[09:35] <charl> lol
[09:44] <charl> smile4ever: how are they doing with ipv6 rollout in belgium? in the netherlands it's going very slowly
[09:45] <smile4ever> charl: I can't see any progress
[09:45] <smile4ever> Still using IPv4
[09:46] <charl> at work i have native ipv6 but at home nothing
[09:46] <charl> unless i tunnel of course but i'm on ziggo
[09:48] <charl> i am growing increasingly dissatistfied with ziggo's high prices, they need to increase the bandwidth limit on their standard package
[09:50] <charl> ah i see Symmetria just posted a nice summary
[09:54] <Symmetria> charl lol, you got a response from Nii but I would suggest you dont respond 
[09:55] <charl> lemme see...
[09:55] <charl> sorry haven't followed properly
[09:56] <charl> oh that one, yeah, i didn't understand the response
[09:56] <charl> what did population have to do with it
[10:00] <Symmetria> heh, he's arguing about the multipler that is applied to staff and students
[10:00] <Symmetria> and doesnt believe its a good justification for assigning space
[10:00] <Symmetria> he's wrong ;p ignore him
[10:00] <charl> ok :)
[10:24] <Kilos> eish another 6 months of all these mails
[10:42] <charl> the idea of making money from selling IP addresses concerns me
[10:42] <charl> IP addresses are supposed to be a public resource, not to be sold and used as a source of money
[10:42] <charl> they should be handed out on basis of merit
[10:43] <charl> not on the basis of who can afford them
[10:43] <charl> but ok, that's an entirely separate discussion
[10:46] <charl> hi trender 
[10:46]  * trender slaps Kilos around a bit with a large trout
[10:46] <charl> seriously, a trout slap?
[10:46] <trender> yo charl howdee
[10:46] <trender> it was a slip of the hand man
[10:46] <charl> you get banned instantly on some channels for that
[10:46] <charl> lol
[10:46] <trender> hehe
[10:46] <charl> disable that mirc alias :P
[10:47] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:47] <trender> clicked miss
[10:48] <trender> so whats hapnin man
[10:48] <Kilos> no changes 
[10:48] <trender> i see telkoms booting me
[10:49] <Kilos> hehe
[10:49] <charl> everyone is having trouble with hellkom at the moment
[10:49] <charl> i have family in s.africa that has the same problem
[10:49] <trender> its rain this end so i hope thats not getting in the wiring
[10:49] <trender> at the moment as in this very instant ??
[10:50] <trender> last 20 mins was down
[10:50] <charl> dunno they have been messing around for months now
[10:50] <charl> since that seacom crash everything has been a mess
[10:50] <charl> bah
[10:51]  * trender lights cigar...blerg!! out of smokes
[10:51] <Kilos> since before it actually
[10:52] <Kilos> but 8ta bearable at least
[10:52] <Kilos> was bad but theyve jacked it up a bit
[10:52] <trender> charl know anything about wifi yagi's ?
[10:53] <charl> nope
[10:53] <charl> never did much with wifi
[10:53] <charl> more interested in waifu :P
[10:54] <trender> i was wondering if i need to worry about impedance matching or just slap a yagi on the end of my wifi card and play
[10:57] <trender> is that some kind of sushi ?
[10:57] <trender> *coff*
[10:57] <charl> lol
[11:12] <tonberryE352> a yagi for wifi?
[11:32] <Kerbero> trender, the yagi's for wifi normally has less gain than grids
[11:32] <Kerbero> if you bought an antenna the matching should have already been taken care of by the manufacturer
[11:33] <magespawn> okay well that was fun
[11:33] <magespawn> Maaz coffee please
[11:33] <Maaz> magespawn: There isn't a pot on
[11:34] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[11:34]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[11:34] <charl> Maaz: you're not a good maid
[11:34] <Maaz> charl: Huh?
[11:34] <charl> wb magespawn 
[11:35] <charl> there is a pot on now
[11:36] <magespawn> ty charl 
[11:36] <magespawn> Maaz coffee please
[11:36] <magespawn> or not
[11:36] <magespawn>  lol
[11:36] <Maaz> magespawn: Done
[11:37] <charl> Maaz: where did you get your name from
[11:37] <Maaz> charl: Sorry...
[11:37] <charl> sounds a bit like the river
[11:38] <charl> except that ends with an s
[11:38] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and magespawn!
[11:38] <trender> sounds a bit like an african drink that puts hair on yer chest
[11:38] <Kilos> hehe
[11:38] <charl> the maas river has extremely dirty water in it
[11:38] <charl> this filthy muddy water
[11:39] <trender> maas makes perfect cottage cheese at an exceptional price
[11:40] <trender> kerbero
[11:40] <magespawn> Maaz coffee
[11:40] <Maaz> magespawn: coffee is liquid code
[11:41] <trender> brb
[11:51] <N8Wulf> good afternoon
[11:51] <superfly> hi N8Wulf
[11:51] <N8Wulf> Any of you Gents have ideas as to how I can start the DE manually on a Server if and when I need it?
[11:53] <superfly> startx
[11:53] <superfly> but I don't see why you'd want a GUI on a server
[12:01] <N8Wulf> long story...
[12:01] <N8Wulf> I installed LXDE... but obviously it automatically starts on BootUp
[12:02] <magespawn> is freenode underattack again?
[12:02] <magespawn> Maaz hello
[12:02] <Maaz> Sup magespawn
[12:03] <charl> magespawn: why?
[12:03] <magespawn> well at least that got through
[12:03] <Kilos> hehe wassup magespawn 
[12:04] <magespawn> adsl just went haywire
[12:04] <Kilos> eish
[12:06] <magespawn> Maaz coffee please
[12:06] <Maaz> magespawn: There isn't a pot on
[12:07] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[12:07]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[12:07] <Kilos> im watching the falling skies
[12:07] <Kilos> so miss lots here
[12:09] <Kilos> oh my
[12:09] <Kilos> mage seems to have probs
[12:10] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[12:11] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[12:11] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[12:11] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[12:13] <magespawn> bbl
[12:15] <Squirm> woop
[12:15] <Squirm> just bought an autopilot for the quadcopter
[12:16] <tonberryE352> now mount a wifi webcam on it
[12:16] <tonberryE352> security bot
[12:16] <Squirm> indeed
[12:16] <Squirm> probably mount my Pi
[12:17] <Squirm> it's not actually my quadcopter. the guy who owns it has bought a GoPro Hero3 Black - built in WiFi
[12:18] <Squirm> but the autopilot I can use for my plane
[12:18] <tonberryE352> nice
[12:18] <Squirm> and it's OpenSource :P
[12:49] <trender> kerbero dude you around ??
[12:51] <Kerbero> sort of
[12:51] <trender> whats the news man ?
[12:51] <trender> kilos said you had something ?
[12:52] <trender> where you gonna shed some light on wifi ?
 trender, the yagi's for wifi normally has less gain than grids
 if you bought an antenna the matching should have already been taken care of by the manufacturer
[12:53] <Kilos> thats what he said
[12:53] <Kilos> making me work man
[12:53] <trender> ok cool thats good news as i expected
[12:54] <Kilos> you 2 eyed peeps scroll back easier
[12:54] <trender> nah i got people on my case all day man
[12:54] <Kilos> but you all lazy
[12:54] <Kilos> lol
[12:54] <Kilos> just ragging
[12:55] <trender>  im gonna dissapear for half an hour
[12:55] <trender> need to run while the wheather permits
[13:02] <magedroid> afternoon aga8n
[13:02] <magedroid> again even
[13:03] <Kilos> eish you struggling magedroid ?
[13:03] <magedroid> looks like something happening on the adsl
[13:14] <magedroid> yup mweb international browsing is down dut to 'multiple link failures'
[13:38] <Kilos> oh my
[13:41] <magedroid> and if it is multiple link failures then other isp's are also going to be affected
[13:43] <Kilos> ai!
[13:49] <magedroid> ai is right, some ship were it shouldn't be or something
[13:57] <Kilos> yeah them undersea fibres
[13:59] <Squirm> I'm excited now
[13:59] <Vince-0> I switched to OpenWeb from MWeb and never looked back - MWeb even called me to try change my mind
[13:59] <Vince-0> got Axxess DSL at work with no problems
[13:59] <Squirm> except I have to keep my excitement subdued for another ~3weeks
[13:59] <Squirm> :/
[14:12] <magedroid> Vince-0 this is the only problem i have had with mweb, all the other services run great
[14:12] <magedroid> how does OpenWeb compare on price?
[14:13] <Vince-0> I got their silver uncapped 4mbit on special at the time (with two conncurrent logins) at about R80 cheaper than MWeb
[14:14] <Vince-0> check their site for current "silver" grade pricing
[14:15] <Vince-0> their 4mb is now R599 - bit more than MWeb but it's semi-unshaped
[14:15] <Vince-0> so depends on your requirements
[14:17] <magedroid> not even sure if my exchange will do 4mb, will check it out, ty
[14:17] <Vince-0> openwebs got an "ivory" special on 4mbit now for R382
[14:17] <Vince-0> that's unshaped after hours
[14:19] <magedroid> is that line and usage inclusive?
[14:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't think openweb do lines
[14:22] <magedroid> i will check it out
[14:23] <Kilos> magedroid, fonr them so long and complain man
[14:23] <Kilos> fone
[14:24] <Vince-0> magedroid, that's ISP account only - didn't check their bundles
[14:32] <magedroid> Kilos it is home time, later all
[14:32] <Kilos> later magedroid 
[14:32] <trender> yo kilos
[14:33] <Kilos> yo trender 
[14:33] <trender> can you see me ahoy!
[14:33] <Kilos> yes
[14:33] <Kilos> you also having probs
[14:33] <trender> check the other box man
[14:33] <trender> no im done
[14:34] <trender> i have to fix vista now over the phone
[14:34] <Kilos> lol
[14:34] <trender> i rather just sell a new machine outright
[14:34] <trender> sorry sir you need a new machine vista is broken
[14:35] <trender> ou check the chat window
[14:36] <Kilos> best cure for vista is to format and install ubuntu
[14:36] <trender> well win7 actually
[14:36] <trender> nobody wants ths the learning curve
[14:36] <trender> nobody wants the the learning curve
[14:36] <Kilos> ill teach you
[14:36] <Kilos> hehe
[14:38] <trender> people need to work man
[14:41] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:03] <trender> maaz: ping
[15:03] <Maaz> trender: pong
[16:08] <Langjan> Hi Kilos
[16:08] <Kilos> hi there Langjan howsit
[16:08] <Kilos> oom langjan
[16:09] <Langjan> Goed dankie seuntjie
[16:09] <Langjan> en met jou
[16:09] <Kilos> hehe
[16:09] <Kilos> wek gaan maar nog aan dankie
[16:09] <Kilos> ek
[16:09] <smile4ever> :D
[16:09] <smile4ever> http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciaal:Bijdragen/SmileBot
[16:10] <smile4ever> Fully automatic :)
[16:10] <Kilos> kry net koud hier bo
[16:10] <smile4ever> Kilos: hug! :)
[16:10] <Kilos> hi smai
[16:10] <Kilos> smile4ever, 
[16:10] <Langjan> mooi so, hier ook voor die wind, lekker warm vandag op Warmbad 
[16:11] <smile4ever> Langjan: hoe gaan dit met jou? :p
[16:11] <Kilos> het jy al jou ubuntu probleme uitgesorteer oom Langjan 
[16:12] <Langjan> Min of meer dankie kilos, ek loop nou lekker op 12.04 maar my kameratjie werk nog steeds nie
[16:12] <Kilos> camera vit skype?
[16:12] <Kilos> ek is ook op 12.04
[16:12] <Kilos> baie stabiel
[16:12] <Kilos> vir
[16:12] <Langjan> Hi smile4ever, dit gaan goed dankie en met jou?
[16:13] <Langjan> Ja die kamera werk op cheese maar nie op skype nie
[16:13] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[16:14] <Kilos> i wonder what the webcam can be with skype
[16:14] <Langjan> Laas toe ek op 12.04 was het die stelsel hom outomaties opgetel...
[16:14] <Kilos> i dont even know who ask
[16:14] <Kilos> waar plug jy die ding in?
[16:14] <Kilos> usb?
[16:15] <Langjan> dis nie die ergste nie, ek oorleef
[16:15] <Langjan> hy het 'n ronde proppie
[16:15] <Kilos> daar moet n oplossing wees
[16:15] <Kilos> waar prop die ronde proppie in?
[16:15] <nlsthzn> alo uncle Kilos and all...
[16:16] <Kilos> ek weet niks van die goed nie
[16:16] <Langjan> nee ek lieg, dis 'n usb
[16:16] <Kilos> en as jy dit in n ander gat sit
[16:16] <Langjan> jammer, het gou weer gekyk, het al vergeet jy weet mos die oumens siekte
[16:16] <Kilos> lol
[16:17] <Langjan> wel as hy op cheese werk sal die gat seker reg wes? 
[16:17] <Langjan> wees
[16:17] <Kilos> het jy al skype afgehaal en terug gest
[16:18] <Kilos> nlsthzn, what in the skype install makes it see the webcam
[16:18] <Langjan> ek glo nie, nie op die huidige os nie
[16:18] <nlsthzn> dunno, never used Skype... but if the webcam works in Cheese it means it *should* work with any app (the drivers are available and working)
[16:18] <Kilos> i dunno who skypes here with ubuntu
[16:19] <Kilos> maybe try sudo aptitude reinstall skype oom Langjan 
[16:19] <Langjan> as i said, the previous 12.04 install picked it up automatically
[16:19]  * nlsthzn only installed Ubuntu yet again this morning so will have to go and play around with Skype and webcams to know (and that only going to happen in two days when I stop working night shift)
[16:19] <Kilos> you have aptitude installed hey
[16:20] <Langjan> ok lets do it
[16:21] <Langjan> it says aptitude command not found
[16:21] <Kilos> have you installed aptitude
[16:22] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install aptitude
[16:22] <Langjan> OK will do thks
[16:23] <Kilos> have the webcam in i think
[16:23] <Langjan> installing aptitude
[16:23] <Kilos> then sudo apt-get update
[16:24] <Langjan> done
[16:24] <Kilos> sudo aptitude reinstall skype skype-bin
[16:25] <superfly> skype works fine on my netbook
[16:25] <Langjan> ok
[16:25] <superfly> using the built-in webcam
[16:25] <Kilos> this is weird superfly he says it worked before
[16:25] <superfly> Kilos: aptitude is currently broken on 64-bit systems, I recommend sticking to apt-get for the moment
[16:26] <Kilos> he went 13.04 i think then installed 12.04 again
[16:26]  * superfly goes for supper
[16:26] <Kilos> ty superfly 
[16:26] <Kilos> Langjan, you on 64bit?
[16:26] <Langjan> no 32
[16:26] <Kilos> good
[16:27] <Kilos> you have done your upgrades Langjan ?
[16:27] <Langjan> Went to 13.10 and then back to 12.04
[16:27] <Langjan> yes kilos
[16:27] <Kilos> well check that anyway
[16:28] <Kilos> aptitude works much better for me
[16:28] <Langjan> do you mean run sudo apt-get upgrade? 
[16:28] <Kilos> with aptitude not apt-get
[16:28] <Symmetria> :) I just got myself a gopro hero 3 black for when I go snorkelling in kenya week after next
[16:29] <Langjan> so do I now always have to run aptitude instead of sudo apt-get?
[16:29] <Kilos> Symmetria, sort them out so i can stop getting all those mails
[16:30] <Kilos> no its by choice Langjan 
[16:30] <Kilos> but i find aptitude does more
[16:30] <Kilos> and explains things better for me
[16:31] <Kilos> like it gives choices on fixing things
[16:31] <Kilos> and removes what isnt necessary
[16:31] <nlsthzn> Symmetria:gopro's are awesome
[16:31] <nlsthzn> got my wife the gopro2 then a week after the 3 announced >.<
[16:31] <nlsthzn> she uses it when diving :)_
[16:32] <Symmetria> kilos lol, give it a week and a half and in the mean time you can write a rule that just bins it :)
[16:32] <Langjan> ok its installed and reinstalled skype but nothing yet, gotta go for now, will chat again later kilos, many thanks
[16:32] <Symmetria> yeah I got the hero 3 black 
[16:32] <Kilos> ok Langjan 
[16:33] <Kilos> na Symmetria i read some then delete anyway
[16:33] <Symmetria> heh finding the discussions interesting?
[16:33] <Symmetria> lol I havent been pulling my punches on that list
[16:34] <Symmetria> Badru is an idiot, sadly he's also the chairman of the board 
[16:34] <Kilos> maddening
[16:34] <Symmetria> and I have bitchslapped him 6 ways from sunday for being a moron
[16:34] <Symmetria> lol they dont know how to handle me in afrinic, because culturally, in africa, people dont tend to stand up and say things bluntly
[16:35] <Symmetria> its always with loads of subtely and implications and innuendo 
[16:35] <Symmetria> where as me, I say it like i see it, and if you're being a moron, well, I aint gonna leave doubts that I think that
[16:35] <Kilos> hehe
[16:36] <nlsthzn> which is OK and all but sometimes you can get more done with a little it of tact ;)
[16:36] <Symmetria> kilos lol, look at what I said to badru earlier on skype when he accused me of personally attacking him and his integrity
[16:36] <Symmetria> [2013/06/27 5:42:08 PM] Badru Ntege: i think we do not seem to understand each other
[16:36] <Symmetria> [2013/06/27 5:42:41 PM] Andrew Alston: you're damn right if you think I attacked you personally on that list or questioned your integrity, believe me badru, if I wished to do either, it would be *crystal* clear
[16:36] <Symmetria> [2013/06/27 5:43:05 PM] Andrew Alston: one thing you should know about me, I don't mince my words, and I stand by what I say, and if anything looks subtle, you're probably reading it wrong
[16:36] <Symmetria> [2013/06/27 5:43:43 PM] Andrew Alston: in the same way I stand by every word and every question I raised with Maye Diop
[16:37] <Symmetria> nlshzn trust me, that afrinic debate is long past the point where tact is going to help
[16:38] <nlsthzn> k :)
[16:39] <Symmetria> lol I think the time for tact ended when I openly questioned someone if the reason they were being obstructive was because of racial or geo-political bias ;p
[16:39] <Kilos> is that all about going to ipv6
[16:39] <Symmetria> I think at that point, it was like a grenade going off, the one hard and fast rule in africa is, you dont even GO there, no matter how true it is, its just 2 sensitive
[16:39] <Symmetria> ;p
[16:39] <Symmetria> kilos lol, its about the remaining ipv4 space and going to ipv6
[16:40] <Kilos> is ipv4 gonna drop away completely
[16:41] <Kilos> or will the space made spare by peeps going ipv6 then be made spare
[16:41] <Symmetria> heh nah v4 is gonna disappear in the next coupla years, its just a question of timing
[16:41] <Kilos> ah
[16:42] <Kilos> so its a matter og moving ahead or losing out completely
[16:42] <Kilos> of
[16:43] <Kilos> then crying about it again
[16:43] <Symmetria> basically yes 
[16:44] <Kilos> i wonder what za is planning
[16:51] <Kilos> wb nlsthzn  with you hand crafted client
[16:52] <Kilos> you should add nlsthznAW when at work so we know
[16:52] <nlsthzn_slave> like that?
[16:52] <Kilos> hahaha
[16:52] <Kilos> you at work now??
[16:53] <nlsthzn_slave> yup
[16:54] <nlsthzn_slave> two more nights :'(|
[16:54] <Kilos> ok slave we gotcha
[16:58] <nlsthzn_slave> :p
[16:58] <Kilos> hahaha
[16:59] <Kilos> dont chnage it too much man then ill end up welcoming you everytime
[16:59] <Kilos> change
[16:59] <Kilos> like a noob
[17:00] <wage_slave_bob> :)
[17:06] <Symmetria> hrm does anyone know of any very good perl programmers who contract out
[17:06] <Symmetria> and are looking for a coupla weeks work
[17:07] <Kilos> hi psychicist 
[17:10] <psychicist> hi Kilos 
[17:10] <psychicist> hi Symmetria 
[17:11] <Symmetria> lo psychicist
[17:21] <trender> yo
[17:21] <trender> anybody home ?
[17:21] <Kilos> yo
[17:24] <trender> wating...
[17:24] <trender> waiting..
[17:34] <Vince-0> haai
[17:34] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[17:35] <Vince-0> notes for tonight : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1phcVdIqPBvN1xIhBGATNs8UXJBJORYhTsQeRQWlN0_E/edit#
[17:35] <Vince-0> brb
[18:03] <Kilos> inetpro, is jy darem tuis?
[18:24] <Kilos> hehe
[18:38] <smile4ever> bye
[18:38] <psychicist> bye smile4ever 
[18:38] <smile4ever> slaapwel :)
[18:39] <Kilos> night smile4ever 
[18:39] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:39] <Kilos> grrr
[18:44] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[19:03] <not_found> http://shop-download.linupfront.de/cc/lxes-en-manual-cc.pdf
[19:43] <nlsthzn> I take it this http://linux-studies.za.net/wiki/Main_Page has died out a bit
[20:27] <Squirm> what the hell
[20:27] <Squirm> "Richard Van Rooyen grabbed a mega win on Slotomania Slot Machines."
[20:28] <Squirm> see that on my Facebook
[20:28] <Squirm> about an Hour ago
[20:29] <Squirm> ...he committed suicide 2 years ago
[20:42] <nlsthzn> :/