[02:03] <west> how do I start terminal using ctrl alt + t
[02:14] <inahd> hey all, any ideas how to fix this pulseaudio conflict that causes me to need a restart to connect jack, after i use certain programs that play audio such as netflix?
[02:15] <inahd> its like pulseaudio gets taken over and can't let go
[02:23] <OvenWerks> inahd: which version of ubuntustudio are you using?
[02:24] <inahd> errr mint 14 actually
[02:24] <inahd> no one in the mint forum seems to know much about these things
[02:24] <OvenWerks> that version of pulse has a bug. there is a workaround though
[02:25] <inahd> learn me!
[02:25] <OvenWerks> Assuming you are using qjackctl to start jack...
[02:25] <inahd> yes
[02:25] <OvenWerks> there is in qjackctl setup on the second tab, four lines for scripts.
[02:26] <OvenWerks> It is called options
[02:26] <inahd> gotcha
[02:27] <OvenWerks> check the first one and add this line to it:
[02:27] <OvenWerks> pasuspender -- sleep 1 &
[02:28] <OvenWerks> It gets pulse to drop the devices long enough for jack to grab it
[02:28] <inahd> fancy1
[02:28] <inahd> !
[02:29] <inahd> you have saved me untold frustrations..
[02:30] <OvenWerks> so long as it works
[02:31] <OvenWerks> mint 15 should have the new pulse if I remember right.
[02:31] <inahd> true
[02:32] <inahd> i guess i should see if it works
[02:44] <inahd> any movie suggestions for the test :P?
[02:46] <OvenWerks> I found any use of pulse made jack not start. with the mod you should be able to start jack even while pulse is streaming
[02:48] <OvenWerks> If you have module-jackdbus-detect it should be possible to also get the audio to continue through pulse and jack
[02:49] <OvenWerks> Anyway, I have to go as my wife needs this machine for her homework
[02:51] <inahd> :)
[02:57] <Guest59443> does the choice of window manager have a significant impact on audio quality (latency, etc.)?
[02:57] <Guest59443> I'm having difficult getting used to xfce and thinking about switching
[02:57] <Guest59443> to something more familiar
[03:01] <inahd> Guest59443: how nice is your machine?
[03:01] <holstein> Guest59443: switch to what you want
[03:02] <holstein> nothing will make your computer any faster of slower.. just might use less resources
[03:02] <Guest59443> It is about three years old (Toshiba Satellite A505)
[03:02] <Guest59443> I'm used to Unity from Ubuntu plain.
[03:02] <holstein> Guest59443: try adding what you like, and choose it from the login screen..
[03:02] <holstein> Guest59443: install plain ubuntu with unity and add what you like
[03:03] <holstein> or, install unity in ubuntustudio
[03:03] <inahd> ugh, unity...
[03:03] <Guest59443> yeah I know I might be the only one that likes it :)
[03:04] <holstein> lots of folks use and like it.. and you can too
[03:04] <Guest59443> I miss being able to press the win key and type the program I want to start (like in Windows 7 too)
[03:04] <holstein> i dont plan on using it anytime soon
[03:04] <holstein> Guest59443: you can add that functionality
[03:04] <holstein> Guest59443: you can use alt+F2
[03:05] <holstein> Guest59443: you can use kupfer or synapse.. or type what you like into the terminal
[03:05] <holstein> OR, use keyboard shortcuts..
[03:06] <inahd> i have seen panel apps that put something like that on your panel
[03:06] <holstein> yup
[03:07] <holstein> its not a thing that was invented with win7.. or unity.. but, you certainly can and should use either of those if you want them.. but, we just didnt put that into ubuntustudio because we didnt
[03:07] <Guest59443> Of course there is several things.
[03:08] <holstein> Guest59443: i assure you, since everything is open, you can get what you want in XFCE.. though, you are also free to use unity
[03:08] <holstein> Guest59443: i would suggest installing main ubuntu, and just add the few apps you might be using
[03:08] <holstein> Guest59443: what are you using from ubuntustudio?
[03:09] <Guest59443> I'm not sure how to set up USB audio, multi monitor, stop the scroll wheel from switching workspaces... It is probably easier for me to switch than to customize.
[03:09] <holstein> the USB audio will be the same
[03:09] <Guest59443> Today's actually my first day using UbuntuStudio.
[03:09] <holstein> Guest59443: then, i would just move on.. unless you plan on doing any audio production
[03:09] <Guest59443> holstein, I don't see the sound config. in the settings window
[03:09] <holstein> Guest59443: "the" sound config?
[03:10] <holstein> what are you looking fof?
[03:10] <holstein> for*
[03:10] <holstein> pavucontrol?
[03:10] <Guest59443> holstein, Yes I'm using it specifically for audio production
[03:10] <holstein> Guest59443: using JACK?
[03:12] <Guest59443> In Ubuntu you can go to Settings > Sound and select which sound output and input you want to use. (Useful for casual use when I don't have Ardour and JACK running)
[03:13] <Guest59443> I have built-in audio and external audio when the laptop is plugged in
[03:15] <holstein> Guest59443: install pavucontrol if its not there
[03:16] <holstein> Guest59443: pavucontrol is the sound control app that i complain about not having when im on main ubuntu
[03:18] <Guest59443> holstein, thanks for the pointer.
[03:27] <Guest59443> In pavcontrol I'm trying to understand the "fallback" button. Does that mean like "second default choice"? How do I set the first default choice?
[03:28] <Guest59443> (appears in the Input Devices tab)
[03:28] <holstein> Guest59443: get sound playing, then route with pavucontrol
[03:28] <Guest59443> (and Output Devices tab)
[03:28] <holstein> Guest59443: i have never used "fallback"
[03:58] <Guest59443> With QJackCtrl I'm not able to use less than 1024 Frames/Period. Does this just mean my soundcard is terrible?
[03:58] <Guest59443> I'm using Periods/Buffer 3 per http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/list_of_jack_frame_period_settings_ideal_for_usb_interface
[03:59] <Guest59443> (and sample Rate 48000 per the same page)
[04:04] <holstein> Guest59443: what sound card?
[04:04] <holstein> Guest59443: i pesonally dont use USB devices or internal deivces
[04:04] <holstein> devices*
[04:04] <holstein> but, folks use USB devices often with good results
[04:04] <holstein> i would ask in #opensourcemusicians for suggestions
[04:12] <Guest59443> holstein: here's the output of aplay -l
[04:12] <Guest59443> http://pastebin.com/mV03mBc3
[04:12] <Guest59443> (I wasn't sure how to look up my soundcard)
[04:14] <holstein> Guest59443: is it in the machine?
[04:14] <holstein> the scarlet might be something you could use with decent quality
[04:15] <Guest59443> I have a USB "preamp" (Focusrite Scarlett 2i2) that should be decent
[04:15] <holstein> right
[04:15] <holstein> but, might not have low latency
[04:15] <Guest59443> Plus a laptop with a built-in soundcard
[04:15] <holstein> not that you need it
[04:15] <holstein> latency is a buzz word
[04:15] <holstein> if you need low latency, you know you do and you get it
[04:15] <holstein> otherwise, it really doesnt matter
[04:15] <Guest59443> It would be useful for MIDI synth
[04:16] <holstein> right
[04:16] <holstein> softsynths or realtime effects
[04:16] <holstein> and i like to have around 12ms latency minimum
[04:16] <holstein> otherwise, i really dont care if its 200ms
[04:26] <Guest59443> I'm trying to remember how to set up MIDI in Ardour. I don't see my keyboard listed in the Ardour MIDI Connection Manager, but I do see it listed in QJackCtrl > Connections > ALSA
[04:26] <holstein> Guest59443: ardour 3?
[04:26] <Guest59443> yes
[04:26] <holstein> Guest59443: they have a channel
[04:26] <Guest59443> 3.2
[04:26] <holstein> #ardour
[04:27] <Guest59443> okay
[04:27] <holstein> i dont do much midi.. though, you can also ask in #opensourcemusicians
[04:27] <holstein> otherwise, i just make the connections manually
[04:27] <holstein> make a midi channel.. connect the keyboard manuall
[04:27] <holstein> its likely that you need to use a2jmidid
[04:34] <Guest59443> I don't see it in the Software Center. What is the equivalent of apt-get for xfce?
[04:34] <holstein> Guest59443: ?
[04:34] <holstein> Guest59443: xfce is just the desktop manager
[04:34] <holstein> ubuntustudio *is* ubuntu
[04:34] <holstein> apt-get is apt-get
[04:34] <holstein> Guest59443: you run a2jmidid from the terminal
[04:34] <holstein> !info a2jmidid
[04:35] <Guest59443> Okay
[04:39] <OvenWerks> Best place to run a2jmidid is from qjackctl.
[04:39] <holstein> OvenWerks: can you elaborate about that? i havent used it that way..
[04:40] <OvenWerks> The second tab in the setup menu is options.
[04:40] <OvenWerks> there are four places to run a script. use the second.
[04:40] <OvenWerks> tick the check box at the front of that line and add:
[04:41] <OvenWerks> a2jmidid -e &
[04:41] <OvenWerks> in the text space.
[04:41] <OvenWerks> It will auto close when jack goes away
[04:41] <holstein> Guest59443: are you getting this? ^^
[04:42] <Guest59443> I see. I'm not sure how to use it yet though.
[04:42] <Guest59443> OvenWerks: I'm hoping to connect my keyboard to Ardour
[04:43] <holstein> Guest59443: this will hopefully facilitate that
[04:43] <OvenWerks> When you use the connections window from qjckctl. there are three tabs the midi tab is the best place to make all connections.
[04:44] <OvenWerks> so once jack is running, if you go to the midi tab on the connections window, you will see a2j
[04:44] <Guest59443> I see the MIDI tab, with a2j in it
[04:44] <Guest59443> I can connect it to Ardour
[04:44] <OvenWerks> click on the little > in front of it and you should see the midi in where your KB is connected.
[04:45] <Guest59443> But I'm not sure how to connect my MIDI keyboard to a2j
[04:45] <Guest59443> okay I'll look
[04:45] <OvenWerks> Mine has the name of my card and the word cature.
[04:46] <Guest59443> oh, I see midi thru. And I can connect my keyboard to MIDI Through in the ALSA tab
[04:46] <OvenWerks> Shouldn't have to.
[04:46] <OvenWerks> did you use the -e with a2jmidid?
[04:47] <OvenWerks> If you do any cannecting on the alsa pannel they 'may" be timing issues.
[04:48] <OvenWerks> I haven't had any personally, but I don't do very much midi outside of testing to make sure it works :)
[04:48] <Guest59443> Okay, got it now with the -e option. Is the & part of the command (above)
[04:48] <OvenWerks> Yes.
[04:48] <OvenWerks> The & makes it go to background and not hold qjackctl from doing other things.
[04:52] <Guest59443> Thanks OvenWerks! MIDI input is working now
[04:53] <OvenWerks> Cool
[04:54] <OvenWerks> It's always nice when something just starts working.
[04:54] <Guest59443> :)
[05:15] <Guest59443> In firefox when I click on the Download "Open file location" It opens Audacious instead of the file manager
[05:15] <Guest59443> Anyway to fix that?
[05:15] <Guest59443> I'm using a fresh install of Ubuntu 13.04
[05:17] <Guest59443> It looks like there is a bug report for this on archlinux:
[05:17] <Guest59443> https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/31616
[05:17] <Guest59443> Should I file a bug for Ubuntu Studio?
[05:18] <Guest59443> Looking at the support page, I'm not sure where to file bugs:
[05:18] <Guest59443> http://ubuntustudio.org/support/
[18:14] <angel> i have problem with my ubuntu studio 13 , it can't connect any wifi
[18:16] <angel> can you help me
[18:18] <angel> please
[18:19] <inahd> you might try the regular ubuntu forum... more activity for non music related problems...
[18:23] <angel> ok this channel is for music
[18:23] <angel> are musicians?
[18:24] <inahd> kind of
[18:24] <inahd> ohhh
[18:24] <angel> i need a algorythmic application and i'm electroaoustical musician
[18:24] <inahd> i mean non artistic stuff
[18:24] <angel> ok
[18:24] <angel> thanks
[18:24] <inahd> wireless is like a common thing for all ubuntu users
[18:25] <angel> here we can what?
[18:27] <angel> thanks i think i go back to Mac then
[18:27] <inahd> sigh
[19:05] <ssj71> hi all, I've got something weird going on in the desktop background recently. I'm on 13.04, the wallpaper appears right after I login, then suddenly its covered/dissappears and the background is a strange black and white stripe thing
[19:05] <ssj71> anyone have a guess what might be going on?
[20:50] <jukka> Moi. Mistä kohtia voi asentaa Ubuntu Studiolle näyttiksen ajurit automaattisesti? Normi Ubuntulla se menee kätevästi sieltä asetuksista, mutta miten Studiossa?
[21:05] <cub> jukka, if you re-write your question in English more people might be able to help
[21:05]  * cub only understands "moi"
[21:05] <Unit193> !fi
[21:34] <deevad> Hi, I enjoy installing and testing 13.04 Ubuntu Studio. I have a issue with Thunar , may someone help me  ?  I have this dialog when I create a new custom action : http://www.davidrevoy.com/XYZ/Screenshot27062013.png  , and I can't add a new right click item. Thx in advance.
[22:06] <nimbiotics> I dont know how my son managed to do it but I do not have the panels anymore. Please tell me how to restore the panels, this is making my life miserable. TIA!
[22:18] <deevad> nimbiotics, try Alt+F3 or Alt+F2 for the launcher / appfinder, enter 'settings' ; in settings icon, you have the panel menu.
[22:32] <holstein> nimbiotics: or just make a new user.. or remove the config for the current user.
[22:38] <Unit193> ~/.config/xfce4/panel/
[22:39] <holstein> yup.. blow that out ^^ and it'll come back as default nimbiotics
[22:40] <Unit193> Once you relogin or xfce4-panel -r
[22:40] <nimbiotics> deevad: Thanks, will try!
[22:52] <nimbiotics> deevad: Thanks for your answer. The settings That showed up were kinda complicated for me. I did, however fix the problem using the "Quick Fix" in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XubuntuPanels. The link was given to me by yofun at #ubuntu. One more time; thanks a lot!