[00:21] <xubuntu825> s
[00:56] <xubuntu329> hello all
[00:56] <nagev> hi there
[00:58] <xubuntu329> question for anyone interested in providing some feedback. how compatible with most applications is the 64bit version
[00:59] <xubuntu329> i'm a bit of a novice linux user and i'm worried that installing the 64bit version may put me over my head.
[01:00] <xubuntu329> since i know at least in days gone by the 64 bit versions were kind of a nightmare with driver/software compatibilities
[01:00] <nagev> i have only used 64 bit xubuntu and ubuntu for the last few years.  I haven't found it has restricted me at all.
[01:02] <xubuntu329> okay cool.
[01:03] <xubuntu329> do you use virtualbox at all?
[01:03] <nagev> yes
[01:03] <xubuntu329> and does it just run 32bit applications in a "compatibility mode" like in windows?
[01:04] <nagev> i don't know about compatibility mode but it just works!
[01:07] <xubuntu329> lol alright, thanks. i'm gonna give it a shot
[01:52] <xubuntu870> just loading xubuntu 13.04 for the first time.  How does everyone like it so far?
[01:53] <xubuntu870> haven't tried xfce 4.10 yet
[01:54] <xubuntu870> Sweet, another dead irc channel.
[02:16] <xubuntu252> Hi all, this is my first time here. I want to ask about a problem I have that restarts my sessions
[02:17] <xubuntu252> Is there someone who can help me?
[02:18] <krytarik> !ask | xubuntu252
[02:18] <krytarik> Well.
[02:20] <krytarik> There you are again. :)
[02:20] <xubuntu767> Im back again
[02:20] <xubuntu767> yes
[02:20] <krytarik> Heh. :P
[02:20] <krytarik> So shoot!
[02:21] <xubuntu767> I am new in Xubuntu. I have installed it a few weeks ago. Now, when I open a window or try to see a movie, or something else it restarts my session and takes me to the login window
[02:23] <xubuntu767> I think it has to do with the graphic driver. I have installed Cairo-dock and all of a sudden it has black behind it
[02:23] <krytarik> So it doesn't happen with -all- windows you open?
[02:24] <xubuntu767> all of this started when I logged in with Xfce profile instead of Xubuntu profile
[02:24] <xubuntu767> it doesnt happen all the time
[02:26] <xubuntu767> my be I have to try to reinstall the graphic driver. How can I do thtat?
[02:27] <krytarik> Try logging in as another, new user, and see if it happens there too, i.e. if it's really an issue with the video driver or just with your user's profile.
[02:27] <xubuntu767> Ive read something about graphic acceleration that is off. How can I see if is on or off?
[02:27] <krytarik> Sec.
[02:27] <xubuntu767> ok, understood
[02:28] <xubuntu767> but I have to logg off here. Will you be here when I conect again?
[02:30] <krytarik> Reg. your other question, run: glxinfo | grep "direct"
[02:30] <krytarik> Well, I'll still be here for a while at least.
[02:31] <xubuntu767> ok, thanks. I will try to open Terminal now, but maybe I logg of :) Lets see.
[02:31] <krytarik> Heh. :P
[02:38] <xubuntu815> I am running Xubuntu 13.04 and would like to rip some CDs. Any recommendations ?
[02:39] <xubuntu815> Programs that can rip, that is ...
[02:40] <krytarik> Sounds like audio CDs?
[02:40] <krytarik> Because videos don't really come on CDs. :P
[02:41] <krytarik> xubuntu815: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CDRipping
[02:43] <xubuntu260> I am running Xubuntu 13.04 and would like to rip some CDs. Anybody have a program they recommend ?
[02:44] <xyzone> a wood chipper
[02:44] <krytarik> There we go again, sec. :P
[02:44] <krytarik> xubuntu260: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CDRipping
[02:45] <xubuntu260> Thanks krytarik
[02:46] <krytarik> xubuntu260: I've tried a great deal of those mentioned there, and found Asunder to be the best.
[02:46] <xubuntu260> OK, I'll give it a try !
[02:47] <krytarik> I mean, I've literally scoured the web for something that is similarly simple yet good as Audiograbber under Windows. :P
[02:48] <krytarik> xubuntu260: So if you find something better than Asunder, please definitely post back. :D
[02:53] <krytarik> Hmm, I hope that was a 'yes'. :P
[02:54] <xyzone> ruby ripper is better
[02:54] <krytarik> Tried that too, didn't find so. :)
[02:54] <xyzone> cdschizophrenia
[02:54] <krytarik> They are fairly similar though.
[02:55] <krytarik> That's the name of an app? :P
[02:55]  * krytarik looks it up
[02:56] <xyzone> o_0
[02:56] <krytarik> Nope, doesn't look so. LOL
[03:22] <deckard> hi. I see an app in the menu but i don't see it listed when i edit the application menu. How can i remove it?
[03:22] <krytarik> What is it then, a Wine app maybe?
[03:23] <deckard> nope just something i installed
[03:23] <deckard> i erased the directory but it still shows in the menu and i cant remove it
[03:25] <krytarik> It isn't a Windows app, really?
[03:25] <deckard> no
[03:25] <deckard> wow its gone now
[03:25] <deckard> i dragged it off
[03:25] <krytarik> lol
[03:25] <deckard> sorry waste your time
[03:25] <krytarik> No worries. :)
[04:02] <Carlinhos> qt applications use my local language instead of the default system language, which is english. this is a fresh install. how can i solve this?
[04:02] <Carlinhos> same issue as this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2140957
[08:40] <Aiena> How do I list all directories startibg with . they are not normally visible
[08:40] <Aiena> e.g. $HOME/.kde/share
[08:41] <Sysi> press Ctrl H in thunar or -a switch for ls in terminal
[08:42] <Aiena> thanks
[09:07] <xubuntu795> Hi!
[09:08] <xubuntu795> I've installed Xubuntu on my laptop, but when I turn on my PC it show only a blank screen, How I can solve it?
[11:21] <kofm> Hi! I've a problem installing Xubuntu 12.04 alternate from a USB stick. I create the stick using Unetbootin then it boots correctly on my system. The problem is when it loads packages from CDs. It gives me a lot of errors saying it can't find some packages on the drive. When i hit "Retry" the installer continues for a while until i get : "Installatio step failed. [...] Load installer components from CD"
[11:23] <doebi> kofm: wait what? u said u installed from USB, and then u load packages from CD?
[11:23] <kofm> I've tried low level formatting, creating the stick with another software, tried with another USB stick
[11:24] <kofm> sorry i spelled it wrong: it says that loads software from CDs but i think it loads from the USB stick as no CD is inserted
[11:25] <kofm> also tried the tried the cdrom-detect/try-usb=true command before booting installation but it didn't work
[11:26] <kofm> also tried the cdrom-detect/try-usb=true command before booting installation but it didn't work*
[11:31] <koegs> i alway had problem with alternate iso and unetbootin
[11:31] <koegs> are you able to use the usb creator in ubuntu itself
[11:31] <gsommer> My firefox and thunderbird does not use system-wide font settings it seems. (It uses the same font, but - the size is different... or dpi... or rendering?) How can I make firefox/thunderbird follow system-wide font settings under Ubuntu?
[11:31] <kofm> koegs: i've also tried it booting ubuntu 12.04 from a live cd on another computer
[11:32] <kofm> koegs: and creating it with usb-creator with no success
[11:33] <knome> gsommer, just out of curiosity (and maybe being able to help): menus or the website content?
[11:34] <gsommer> knome: Menues
[13:26] <Mike-Linux-NL> Can someon help me with my soundcard problem?
[13:26] <Mike-Linux-NL> ust installed Xubuntu 12.04 on my desktop last night. Motherboard is an ASUS P5QC. SOund is working, but there is no headphone detection. When i install gnome-alsamixer and click on headphone checkbox, it mutes everything. when insert a headphone, speakers keep playing and headphone very silently too.
[13:27] <Mike-Linux-NL> did an alsa info report here: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=5f3ac01fed0c92b94ce4180180acff67b36a60e8
[13:27] <Mike-Linux-NL> i have Xubuntu installed on the laptop too, and there audio and headphone detection works fine
[13:27] <Mike-Linux-NL> this is the only thing i have problems with. Xubuntu is fine so far!
[13:29] <GridCube> Mike-Linux-NL: where do you plug the headphones in?
[13:30] <GridCube> Mike-Linux-NL: when you open pavucontrol, in the last tab, dont you see headphone options there, maybe your output needs to be corrected
[13:30] <Sysi> Mike-Linux-NL: in xfce4-mixer and maybe gnome-alsamixer too, you can select channels after selecting soundcard (physical one, not pulseaudio) and adjust levels separately for each port
[13:30] <GridCube> when you stream music in pavucontrl you can choose trhough where the sound comes out, check that its using the headphones there
[13:31] <Sysi> GridCube: I can't reach pavucontrol right now, does it have same channel selection than xfce4-mixer? not just for different devices
[13:31] <GridCube> never used xfce4-mixer
[13:31] <Mike-Linux-NL> i stick it in the front panel of my Antec 302 case
[13:32] <GridCube> mike do that work on other OS's? what happens if you plug in the back?
[13:32] <Mike-Linux-NL> thing is.. it always worked fine before. it works in windows well too.. before i had Ubuntu 10.04 lts installed with gnome 2 so yesterday i did a clean install of Xubuntu 12.04
[13:32] <GridCube> maybe some cable its loose inside the case?
[13:32] <GridCube> oh
[13:32] <Mike-Linux-NL> GridCube: well, then sound comes over headphone ofcourse, since i have to unplug my speaker
[13:32] <GridCube> ok, maybe its just a wrong config on pavu
[13:34] <Sysi> I only know how pavucontrol works with several audio devices, not different outputs of same card
[13:34] <Mike-Linux-NL> well on my laptop on output, it says headphone too. on my desktop the only option is analog output
[13:34] <GridCube> mmm check with lspci what soundcard you are using and do a general google search for it?
[13:35] <Mike-Linux-NL> i tried modifying alsa.conf after searching the net last night. didnt work out well.. pulseaudio wouldnt start, so i reverted everything like it was
[13:35] <Sysi> Mike-Linux-NL: http://www.mls-software.com/images/xbmcav/gnomealsamixer.jpg you get this kind of window?
[13:35] <Mike-Linux-NL> Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller
[13:36] <Mike-Linux-NL> but it should be a Realtek ALC1200
[13:36] <Mike-Linux-NL> i use the build in pulseaudio mixer from Xubuntu
[13:36] <Mike-Linux-NL> i have tried gnome-alsamixer
[13:36] <Mike-Linux-NL> did not change anything either
[13:37] <Mike-Linux-NL> i somehow have the feeling that the driver for this soundcard is faulty. but it worked before in previous linux versions
[13:37] <Sysi> there you have levels of different channel so you should be able to mute speaker output and turn up headphones volume
[13:38] <Sysi> but you need to select your physival card instead of pulseaudio (in case it shows both) and maybe select what channels to view
[13:38] <Mike-Linux-NL> Sysi: when i oppen gnome-alsamixer, i see a checkbox with Headphone ticked on. When i uncheck that box, audio get muted globally
[13:39] <Sysi> Mike-Linux-NL: open »alsamixer« in terminal, if it shows pulseaudio, press F6 and select your real soundcard
[13:39] <Mike-Linux-NL> it detects my microphone over the front panel.. in xfce4 mixer the levels go out, only for a few sec, then the meters hang.. however, mic is still recorded and working
[13:39] <GridCube> Mike-Linux-NL: in the last tab of pavucontrol, see that there is more settings for how the audio card its recognized, check the various options there
[13:42] <Mike-Linux-NL> GridCube: tried them
[13:42] <GridCube> ok
[13:42] <Mike-Linux-NL> default profile is analog stereo duplex
[13:42] <Mike-Linux-NL> the digital profiles wont work
[13:43] <GridCube> then try Sysi's way, im not really using linux right now so i can check stuff P:
[13:43] <GridCube> s/can/cant/
[13:45] <Mike-Linux-NL> Sysi: alsamixer (f6) only shows me Intel HDA and default
[13:46] <Sysi> well, does either have levers like "front" or "headphones" or something?
[13:47] <Mike-Linux-NL> headphones is in alsamixer, but with no slide
[13:47] <Mike-Linux-NL> if i go with my cursor over it, and press M it mutes my entire audio
[13:47] <kofm> i managed to install xubuntu alternate but something went wrong during installation and it ended up installing only base system
[13:47] <kofm> is it possible to install from that base system the xubuntu-desktop?
[13:47] <Sysi> kofm: yeah, just install that package
[13:47] <kofm> (i think it'll be sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop)
[13:47] <Mike-Linux-NL> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[13:48] <kofm> yes but the problem is that in the sources i only have the CD that i don't have
[13:48] <Sysi> Mike-Linux-NL: well, do you have several outputs/channels?
[13:48] <Mike-Linux-NL> no
[13:48] <GridCube> can't you do an sudo apt-get update?
[13:48] <kofm> and Ethernet isn't configured (as "ping www.google.it" gives an error)
[13:48] <Mike-Linux-NL> not in pavucontrol
[13:49] <GridCube> kofm: sudo apt-get update doesnt load new sources?
[13:49] <Sysi> Mike-Linux-NL: but alsamixer
[13:49] <Mike-Linux-NL> kofm: ifconfig
[13:50] <kofm> GridCube: it don't
[13:50] <kofm> Mike-Linux-NL: i try
[13:50] <GridCube> kofm: if you cant connect to the internet then it wont ever work
[13:50] <Sysi> kofm: it would be easier and maybe faster to reinstall, just make sure to not select installing command line system
[13:51] <kofm> Sysi: i tried all day long to install
[13:51] <kofm> and this is the only attempt it worked
[13:51] <Sysi> kofm: if you're using minimal CD you need to select xubuntu desktop
[13:51] <Mike-Linux-NL> Sysi: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4260461/Screenshots/screenshot-alsa.png
[13:51] <kofm> i always get an error during installation
[13:51] <bgardner> kofm: What error?
[13:51] <kofm> Sysi: i used Xubuntu 12.04 alternate
[13:51] <kofm> bgardner: it gives me an error during loading package contents
[13:52] <bgardner> kofm: But what was the actual error?
[13:52] <Sysi> not having network connection
[13:52] <kofm> bgardner: every time a different package couldn't be loaded
[13:52] <GridCube> kofm: i think your problem its network connectivity
[13:53] <kofm> bgardner: after trying a million times  inexplicably it worked
[13:53] <kofm> GridCube: of course!
[13:53] <kofm> the question is: am i able to configure network from command line?
[13:53] <Sysi> kofm: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/network-configuration.html#ip-addressing start from DHCP
[13:53] <Mike-Linux-NL> kofm: yes via ifconfig you can change IP, netmask ,gateway etc
[13:53] <kofm> it doesn't work
[13:53] <GridCube> you are, but i dont know how thats done, you would need more expert support, probably on #linux
[13:54] <kofm> Mike-Linux-NL: i need to set my ip to 192.168.4.11 netmask 255.255.255.0 and gateway 192.168.4.254
[13:54] <Sysi> it could be corrupted image if you installed from CD a bad burn
[13:55] <kofm> Sysi: i've tried 4 different usb sticks and burned it 2 times
[13:55] <kofm> Sysi: md5 check goes ok
[13:55] <Sysi> and your current installation is erroneus too because even minimal installation has dhcp enabled by default
[13:55] <kofm> Sysi: it doesn't work because i'm in a intranet
[13:56] <Sysi> no dhcp?
[13:56] <kofm> no
[13:56] <Sysi> well, the networking guide I linked to has ifconfig options
[13:56] <bgardner> kofm: Have you set it up as static in /etc/network/interfaces?
[13:56] <kofm> bgardner: no
[13:56] <kofm> i don't know how to do it
[13:56] <Mike-Linux-NL> kofm: example: ifconfig eth0 192.168.99.14 netmask 255.255.255.0
[13:56] <koegs> "sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.4.11 netmask 255.255.255.0 up"
[13:57] <bgardner> kofm: Follow the  guide Sysi showed you and look for setting up a static entry.
[13:57] <Mike-Linux-NL> like he said hehe
[13:57] <kofm> i don't need to setup the gateway?
[13:57] <koegs> "sudo route add default gw 192.168.4.254"
[13:57] <Mike-Linux-NL> static + gateway: route add -net 192.168.98.42 netmask 255.255.255.255 gw 192.168.99.1
[13:58] <kofm> koegs, bgardner, Mike-Linux-NL thank you so much i'm going to try
[13:58] <Mike-Linux-NL> if it works, i'll have a beer from ya
[13:58] <Mike-Linux-NL> :P
[14:02] <kofm> it says netmask doesn't match route address
[14:02] <Mike-Linux-NL> hmm well.. headphones do work, after muting speakers on the speakers itself. but the thing is. speakers dont mute when headphone is plugged in
[14:02] <Mike-Linux-NL> so it does not switch
[14:02] <kofm> if i change netmask to 255.255.255.255 it says SIOCADDRT: No such process
[14:03] <Mike-Linux-NL> kofm: best thing to do is to download the regular desktop version
[14:03] <kofm> is a very old PC
[14:03] <Mike-Linux-NL> well u are trying to install the desktop now anyway?
[14:03] <kofm> yep
[14:03] <kofm> Xubuntu desktop
[14:04] <Mike-Linux-NL> when its really an old pc, give Lubuntu a try
[14:04] <kofm> ok
[14:04] <Mike-Linux-NL> what are the soecs of that pc?
[14:04] <Mike-Linux-NL> specs
[14:05] <kofm> hp compaq d330
[14:05] <Mike-Linux-NL> when you really want Lightweight, you also could try Bodhi Linux with Enlightenment desktop enviroment: http://www.bodhilinux.com/
[14:05] <Mike-Linux-NL> its ubuntu based
[14:06] <Mike-Linux-NL> The minimum requirements to run Bodhi Linux are only: 300+MHz CPU, 128MB RAM, and 2.5GB hard drive space
[14:11] <Mike-Linux-NL> kofm: this pc should be able to run Xubuntu fine
[14:11] <Mike-Linux-NL> if you bump up the ram to 1GB
[14:12] <Mike-Linux-NL> i worked long with my P4 machine as well
[14:13] <kofm> Mike-Linux-NL: it should have 1gb
[14:13] <kofm> i merged 2 compaq d330
[14:13] <kofm> (RAM & HD(
[14:13] <Mike-Linux-NL> get yourself Xubuntu desktop 32 bit version
[14:13] <kofm> i'm downloading
[14:13] <kofm> tomorrow i'll try
[14:13] <Mike-Linux-NL> put it on dvd or use unetbootin and put it on a stick
[14:13] <kofm> thanks a lot guys for your help
[14:14] <kofm> yep
[14:14] <kofm> i owe you a beer
[14:14] <kofm> can i come to NL to buy it to you???? :D :D :D
[14:15] <Mike-Linux-NL> paypal me haha
[14:15] <Mike-Linux-NL> :P
[14:15] <kofm> lmao
[14:26] <Mike-Linux-NL> Ha!
[14:26] <Mike-Linux-NL> now my volume buttons work too!
[14:26] <Mike-Linux-NL> thnx to this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/137421/volume-keys-are-working-in-unity-but-not-in-xfce4
[17:11] <lesbian_green> hi guys, i'm know to linux. I just installed xubuntu and as far as i can tell everything works fine
[17:11] <lesbian_green> are there any recommended guides to get into xubuntu? some easy tips for terminal usage etc
[17:15] <GridCube> lesbian_green: you should install the xubuntu-restricted-extras package from the ubuntu software center and that should be it :)
[17:16] <lesbian_green> k, thx for the tip
[18:02] <itz> is xubuntu using mir?
[18:02] <tych0> no, nobody is using mir right now
[18:03] <Sysi> xubuntu will use xmir in the future
[18:03] <tych0> it will?
[18:05] <Sysi> "we'll follow with XMir, we don't have the resources to go the route Kubuntu is, nor the need since it's doubtful Xfce upstream will drop X support anytime soon" --xubuntu developer
[18:05] <Sysi> (kubuntu decided to not use mir)
[18:06] <tych0> interesting, where is that from?
[18:07] <Sysi> #xubuntu-offtopic
[18:07] <tych0> ah, ok, not a blog post or anything then. cool, thanks!
[18:07] <Sysi> http://blogs.kde.org/2013/06/26/kubuntu-wont-be-switching-mir-or-xmir
[20:17] <dunpeal> What's the impact on Xubuntu end-users going to be?
[20:20] <Noskcaj> dunpeal, for what?
[20:20] <dunpeal> Noskcaj: Xubuntu moving to XMir on 13.10.
[20:20] <Noskcaj> i doubt many will notice
[20:22] <dunpeal> Why couldn't Canonical just go with Wayland :|
[20:28] <brainwash> wayland did hardly make any progress.. since the announcement of MIR things suddenly changed
[20:29] <dunpeal> they should have added resources into Wayland. way it's going now, Ubuntu'd be the only distro using Mir.
[20:30] <dunpeal> Is XFCE going to be slower / less-efficient since it runs on an adaptation layer?
[20:30] <brainwash> there should be some sort of fallback mode I guess
[20:30] <Sysi> android has own graphics system and it's doing fine..
[20:31] <Sysi> dunpeal: I doubt there will be any noticeable difference
[20:31] <brainwash> but the performance hit shouldn't be noticeable I hope
[23:26] <xubuntu145> Helo
[23:27] <xubuntu145> grr