[03:05] <Corey> We still want the webchat quieted?
[03:06] <Pici> we'd need to have the floodbots updated to work nicely with the new webchat change
[03:07] <IdleOne> Did the changes make it so floodbots are not setting +e ?
[03:09] <Pici> we do have 329 active bans :|
[03:10] <IdleOne> is that all
[03:10] <IdleOne> I'll try to be more active.
[03:11] <k1l> unban ALL the trolls \o/
[03:50] <Corey> Tempting to clear the ban list and start over./
[11:45] <LjL> Pici, now that the hostname is back in the gecos, the floodbots should work normally. on the other hand, since bans by IP are apparently now effective on webchat as well as on access from hostname or ip, i guess it would be nice if either all bans were done by IP (with scripts or something to help), or if the floodbots or other bots could automatically change them into such (or add an IP ban, but that would mean twice the amount of bans).
[11:46] <LjL> the floodbots aren't very suited to do that, though, due to lack of threading in PHP, which means that since hostname-to-IP lookups can take time, the bots may freeze
[11:46] <ikonia> LjL: would a dns lookup on either the host/ip and ban that way help
[11:47] <ikonia> if we uniformed the scripts across irssi/xchat etc to do dns lookup +b $result
[11:48] <LjL> ikonia: yes that's what i meant to say as "option 1". i can see it might be a problem to implement it on *all* clients ops use though, and maybe there would be "cosmetic" drawbacks to having the entire banlist be by IP (but that would be a problem with "option 2" as well)
[11:49] <ikonia> it may actually help to have a uniform ban list of all ip or all hostname
[11:49] <ikonia> makes bantracker searchers easier/better
[11:50] <ikonia> little bit of effort I think the core clients could be updated, more so if it's irssi/xchat/quassel....what else
[11:50] <LjL> ikonia: i'm really not sure about that. usually it tended to be "best" to ban as... whatever the user showed up as. if i have a hostname in the /whois, then i'll tend to look for the hostname, if i have an IP in the /whois, i'll look for the IP. that's kinda natural
[11:50] <ikonia> I could update irssi, I know pici is much better with python than he lets on, so that's xchat
[11:50] <LjL> Konversation?
[11:50] <LjL> weechat?
[11:50] <ikonia> that part I know nothing about
[11:51] <ikonia> weechat is the same as irssi isn't it ?
[11:51] <LjL> it's a console client but i don't think it has to do with irssi
[11:51] <ikonia> but I take your point
[11:52] <ikonia> I thought it was a fork of irssi for some reason
[11:52] <ikonia> just get a list of what everyone uses and see what can be done
[11:54] <LjL> other issue - since again DNS lookup can be slow (not just for the floodbots), it might mean that even if an op bans a spammer fast, the ban gets only set later when they have spammed more.
[11:55] <LjL> an "option 3" could be to have a bot monitor webchat joins, and ban on the fly if it notices a match
[11:58] <ikonia> what about option 4
[11:58] <ikonia> host a rbl type ban list and implement option 3 as you suggested
[11:58] <ikonia> thus keeping the ban list cleaner and floodbots being a bit more dynamic
[11:58] <ikonia> but that maybe over kill
[12:01] <LjL> ikonia: i don't get the difference between that and "option 3"
[12:02] <ikonia> perhaps I've missunderstood option 3
[12:11] <LjL> ikonia: i meant like, you ban *!*@host.name, ubottu or floodbot looks host.name up, sees it's 1.2.3.4, then if it ever notices 1.2.3.4 joining from webchat, it bans *!*@1.2.3.4
[12:12] <ikonia> ok, so same idea
[12:12] <ikonia> I just didn't grasp it
[12:14] <LjL> ikonia: when i say "the floodbot" though, i again mean not-the-floodbot, because of the problem with DNS lookup latency. this has actually been an issue with a number of my past experiments, when i had bots querying RBLs and stuff - i just couldn't integrate it with the floodbots because of lack of threading
[12:35] <ikonia> ah, so the lack of threading and the wait for the lookup puts load/delay on the bots
[15:37] <DJones> ikonia: Keep an eye for 16:36 >>> Bird!~Thunderbi@111.63.0.228 new nick of the kingsoft office spammer
[15:38] <bazhang> also fish_bird
[15:38] <ikonia> say him
[15:38] <ikonia> saw
[16:29] <Pici> Ubuntu Ultimate :(
[16:30] <k1l> yes :/
[16:30] <bazhang> he knows it offtopic but will discuss it anyway!   YAY!
[16:30] <Pici> in private, hopefully
[17:01] <bazhang> heh
[17:01] <bazhang> why not 58000
[17:01] <k1l> why not a billion? :)
[17:02] <bazhang> ∞
[17:02] <bazhang> and beyond!
[17:03] <Pici> But umask says 022, and thats close to 21, so lets talk about changing that instead.
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[19:14] <bazhang> I like that. concise.
[19:15] <DJones> Well, it narrows it down somewhat