[01:22] <cskater55> Hey everyone i have a quick question about porting can anyone here help me?
[02:41] <Noize> Hello, i'm doing a manual install of Ubuntu-Touch
[02:42] <Noize> Which files do i need? Using Nexus 4 (make)
[02:42] <Noize> (mako)
[02:42] <Noize> boot and what else?
[02:44] <wilee-nilee> Noize, The channel header has the install info, for touch and saucy.
[02:44] <Noize> I understand that, yet there are many images
[02:45] <Noize> each different in their own way
[02:45] <Noize> i need the armel and phablet?
[03:26] <Noize> how long does it take to load ubuntu UI first time?
[03:26] <Noize> as well after the adb reboot recovery, is it suppose to go to my recovery mod or into ubuntu UI?
[03:30] <Noize> !help
[03:30] <Noize> :)
[03:30] <Noize> !patience
[03:39] <Noize> when i do manual install, i complete the steps, do the finall reboot to recovery
[03:39] <Noize> and it shows clockworkmod recovery again
[03:39] <Noize> what have i done wrong?
[03:43] <RAOF> Noize: What device are you running?
[03:44] <Noize> Google Nexus 4, Mako, unlocked
[03:44] <Noize> from Google Play store
[03:47] <Noize> RAOF: I'm also using CWM recovery v6.0.2.3
[03:48] <RAOF> Hm, ok.
[03:49] <RAOF> Does it work if you use phablet-flash?
[03:49] <Noize> no didn't, popey helped me attempt with the phablet-flash
[03:49] <Noize> it didn't work
[03:49] <Noize> still booted previous rom
[03:51] <RAOF> Hm. Well, I'm not particularly familiar with this, so I'll leave it for someone else who is.
[03:56] <Noize> RAOF what recovery mod do you use?
[03:57] <RAOF> Whatever phablet-flash pushes.
[03:57] <Noize> ok
[04:04] <Noize> RAOF what did you use to root your device?
[04:04] <RAOF> fastboot unlock, IIRC.
[04:04] <RAOF> Whatever it says on wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install :)
[04:36] <Noize> its now working :)
[04:38] <Noize> ok so i'd like to run this cmd 'phablet-flash -d mako --flipped
[04:38] <Noize> '
[04:38] <Noize> but i cannot because my device isn't showing up in recovery mode
[04:45] <Noize> What currently works in Ubuntu Touch?
[04:45] <Noize> does music?
[04:48] <RAOF> I believe the music app does; I don't think it's installed by default yet.
[04:53] <Noize> RAOF how do i send a sms
[04:54] <RAOF> From the phone app.
[05:02] <Noize> what is the sudo password for phablet?
[05:03] <RAOF> phablet
[05:03] <Noize> thank you :)
[05:04] <Noize> gotta get some saucy updates :)
[08:08] <seb128> mardy, hey, are you still around today (Ken said you are on holidays next week but he didn't know if that started yesterday or today)
[08:23] <JAMESTAIT> Good morning all, happy Friday and HAPPY CAPS LOCK DAY! :-D
[08:23] <ogra_> oh my
[08:24]  * ogra_ goes to look for his earplugs if that goes on all day from everyone now :)
[08:25] <ogra_> BUT YEAH, SAME TO YOU JAMESTAIT
[08:25] <JAMESTAIT> ogra_, :-P
[08:26] <JAMESTAIT> ogra_, I would have totally missed it if it hadn't been for other freenode staffers.
[08:27] <ogra_> heh
[08:27] <JAMESTAIT> ogra_, the best daysoftheyear.com came up with awas Auto Insurance Day.
[08:27] <JAMESTAIT> As if that's worthy of a day of celebration.
[08:27] <ogra_> hahaha
[08:44] <cjwatson> ogra_: I got a respectable way through merging do-zip-android into cdimage on the train, so hopefully will get that deployed today
[08:44] <ogra_> oh awesome
[08:45] <cjwatson> ogra_: Is it OK for me to copy the relevant bits of /home/ogra/utouch-android/ into /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/utouch-android/ ?
[08:45] <ogra_> i would just have hooked a subprocess call into the code that makes the build skip debian-cd
[08:45] <cjwatson> Just so things are marginally more self-contained
[08:45] <cjwatson> Eh, debian-cd is already skipped
[08:45] <cjwatson> Or should be
[08:46] <ogra_> yeah, by using the code of core
[08:46] <ogra_> and in that snipped i would have called it
[08:46] <ogra_> if you copy the files omit the .zip and .tar.gz in that dir
[08:46] <cjwatson> ?
[08:46] <ogra_> they are leftovers from early testing
[08:46] <cjwatson> Oh, in utouch-android?
[08:46] <cjwatson> Sure
[08:47] <ogra_> yeah
[08:47] <cjwatson> I only need zip and phablet-build-scripts
[08:47] <ogra_> also last_stamp or how it is called
[08:47] <ogra_> yeah
[08:48] <cjwatson> Invoking your code via subprocess wouldn't help much; it would need adjustments anyway.  So it wasn't that much more effort to rewrite the relevant bits of the shell script in Python
[08:48] <cjwatson> And move the web-indices-related bits into where those indices are generated in the first place
[08:48] <cjwatson> I must say I don't understand why you're running sed -i s/^M//g over .htaccess :-)
[08:49] <ogra_> the behavior of the QA tool changed though .... the 155k file i suddenlu got stems from the fact that my script assumed current to always be a link, it used it as input .... when current became a dir the input was  always the last build
[08:49] <cjwatson> That's just because you were dumping extra files in there post-publication and you confused it
[08:49] <ogra_> well, these files have been there since weeks
[08:50] <cjwatson> Or something confused it
[08:50] <ogra_> it didnt cause issues until tue.
[08:50] <cjwatson> Anyway, I don't think investigating that will be a useful avenue
[08:50] <cjwatson> It'll be easier to just do properly and then I bet this will go away :)
[08:50] <ogra_> well, i was curious why it suddeny broke ...
[08:50] <ogra_> +l
[08:50] <ogra_> yeah
[08:51] <ogra_> it was never meant to stay :)
[08:51] <cjwatson> current is a directory if cdimage thinks that things are out of sync between architectures, and when I investigated the things that were allegedly out of sync appeared to be the extra files that you were inserting
[08:51] <cjwatson> So I'm fairly confident that pushing those further down into cdimage will fix it
[08:51] <ogra_> aha
[08:51] <ogra_> so i triggered the dir creation
[08:51] <ogra_> which then broke my setup
[08:52] <ogra_> that was the missing piece :)
[08:52] <ogra_> (i added additional img files on monday)
[09:22] <didrocks> ogra_: hum, I don't have my nexus 4 booting at all (long press on the power button). I plugged it on my usb laptop for more than an hour and still nothing with the long press. Any idea, has it already happened to you?
[09:22] <beidl> didirocks same issue here on maguro with flipped images
[09:22] <beidl> didrocks
[09:23] <didrocks> beidl: I mean, I don't even have the google logo or anything and I didn't update for days
[09:24] <beidl> no adb access?
[09:25] <didrocks> nope
[09:26] <beidl> maybe it's already booted and froze
[09:27] <beidl> had that once, only pulling the battery helped in that case
[09:27] <beidl> an upstart job hanging on stop maybe?
[09:28] <didrocks> beidl: you can't pull the battery out on a nexus 4
[09:28] <beidl> yeah, I know
[09:33] <ogra_> didrocks, i dont have a nexus4
[09:33] <ogra_> there are certainly discharge issues with it
[09:34] <ogra_> beidl, whats your issue and which image is that ?
[09:35] <didrocks> ogra_: ok, I found that it went in hibernation mode
[09:35] <ogra_> didrocks, if the google logo doesnt come up at all, that points to a battery issue ... make sure to regulary charge the n4 on a wall plug
[09:35] <didrocks> holding power for 60s forces it to unhibernate
[09:35] <ogra_> a laptop port will only provide 500mA
[09:35] <didrocks> ogra_: I did that for quite some time without any luck either
[09:35] <ogra_> ah
[09:35] <didrocks> so only the power for 60s worked
[09:35] <ogra_> k
[09:36] <beidl> ogra_, maguro is stuck on the google logo with flipped images, but I've got adb access. I guess I tried all of the currently available ones on cdimage.u.c
[09:36] <cjwatson> ogra_: I think it'll work out as http://paste.ubuntu.com/5807269/, but I'll need to try that out; I'll do that after we finish the key generation work here
[09:36] <ogra_> beidl, grep apparmor /proc/cmdline
[09:36] <ogra_> beidl, does that return anything ?
[09:37] <beidl> beidl, I'll reflash the flipped one in a sec
[09:37] <beidl> ogra_, maaan I'm dumb
[09:37] <beidl> ogra_, too tired to type
[09:38] <ogra_> cjwatson, if the copying happens early enough i dont think we need the md5sum files at all, the images should all end up in cdimages MD5SUM and friends
[09:39] <cjwatson> ogra_: I have a TODO for that, but phablet-flash needs to be fixed to actually look there first
[09:40] <ogra_> oh, forgot about that, yeah
[09:40] <cjwatson> /usr/share/pyshared/phabletutils/downloads.py
[09:40] <ogra_> yeap
[09:40] <cjwatson> And indeed it should prefer SHA256SUMS
[09:40] <ogra_> true
[09:45] <ogra_> popey, stop gaming in your worktime !
[09:46] <popey> ogra_: well done, you're the first to say that today ☻
[09:46] <popey> (it's usually jcastro, but he's asleep)
[09:48] <ogra_> haha
[09:56] <beidl> ogra_ ok, everything seems fine now, I cleared my downloads folder, reflashed using phablet-flash and everything seems fine now (even though it flashed the exact same version)
[09:56] <AskUbuntu> Is there any touch version of UBUNTU? | http://askubuntu.com/q/313775
[10:02] <ogra_> beidl, ok, there awas a bug in that version i fixed post build, good to see it worked for you
[10:11] <beidl> ogra_: awesome, thanks!
[10:11] <ogra_> well, thanks for re-testing :)
[10:14] <ogra_> wow, rsalveti did a full spring cleaning on lxc-android-config :) rsalveti thanks !!!
[10:37] <popey> hmm, unity8 eating the CPU on my nexus 4
[10:38] <popey> but nothing on screen, and I can't wake it
[10:38] <ogra_> it's dreaming
[10:38] <popey> ☻
[10:41] <davmor2> ogra_, popey: is there a bug about the inconsistent app close behaviour?
[10:42] <popey> can you be more specific?
[10:43] <davmor2> popey: open 5 apps, press an hold so you get the crosses,  close the last app, it closes, close the 2nd app it closes close the first app and now it open what was the new second app
[10:46] <popey> i dont recall seeing such a bug
[10:46] <davmor2> popey: so what do you file it against is the next question
[10:47] <popey> unity
[10:47] <davmor2> popey: thanks
[10:49] <lello107> hi to all
[10:49] <lello107> anyone has installed touch on p3110?
[10:50] <ogra_> !devices
[10:50] <ogra_> see the wikipage, it should list all existing ports
[10:51] <lello107> thanks it's supported
[10:51] <lello107> but phablet-flash told be not supported..
[10:52] <ogra_> yeah, ports cant use pahblet-flash currently
[10:52] <ogra_> (there are plans to make that possible though)
[10:52] <lello107> ok thank so i have to use clockworkmod recovery?
[10:52] <ogra_> the p3110 specific wikipage should have install instructions, or links to them at least
[10:53] <ogra_> cwm recovery should work
[10:54] <lello107> :)
[10:57] <kalikiana> ogra_, a shame there's no unitybash.org for gems like that
[10:58] <ogra_> kalikiana, :)
[11:05] <davmor2> popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1195689
[11:06] <ogra_> hmm, is the new wallpaper settings stuff supposed to work ?
[11:06] <ogra_> it doesnt even seem to keep the settings i select
[11:07]  * ogra_ thought there would be gsettings in the backend ... 
[11:08] <ogra_> Laney, seb128 ^^^ do we miss anything in the image ?
[11:10] <Laney> no it is not supposed to work
[11:10] <ogra_> ah, k
[11:11] <ogra_> i dont see a gsettings daemon running either
[11:11] <ogra_> i guess we should start seeding that :)
[11:11] <Laney> I need to find out if unity 8 lets you change the wallpaper yet
[11:11] <Laney> it's surely not looking at the normal gnome gsettings key
[11:12] <ogra_> right ... just dont forget that touch images dont install recommends ... if you add a package dep it shoould be a full dep
[11:12] <ogra_> or we need to seed it
[11:20] <popey> davmor2: confirmed
[11:23] <davmor2> popey: ta
[11:35] <xnox> Can I add online accounts on grouper somehow to see friends app in action?
[11:38] <ogra_> xnox, in the system settings app
[11:38] <ogra_> only facebook and twitter though (as far as i can see)
[11:39] <davmor2> ogra_, xnox: that's all friends really supports, it has other backends but those to are the popular ones
[11:40] <xnox> ack.
[11:40] <xnox> twitter adding from cmd line just hangs there doing nothing....
[11:42] <seb128> ogra_, system settings is mostly UI so far, we just start getting the infrastructure for the backend code
[11:43] <ogra_> yeah, i noticed now
[11:43] <ogra_> after looking around a bit
[11:43] <seb128> ogra_, not to mention that stuff like wallpaper, click packages, update, images, etc are still work in progress
[11:43] <ogra_> yeah
[11:43] <seb128> so it's hard to plug into those
[11:44] <ogra_> yup, and we'll rip out your foundation while to work on fixing it :P
[11:44] <ogra_> s/to/you/
[11:45] <seb128> I don't expect less from you guys :p
[11:45] <ogra_> haha
[11:47] <jdstrand> if I upgrade my mako and grouper devices now, will they have the new apparmor enabled? I looked in ubuntu_stamp for today and the 2 from yesterday and didn't see it (or lxc) mentioned
[11:48] <ogra_> jdstrand, flipped doesnt use ubuntu_stamp :)
[11:48] <jdstrand> ah
[11:48] <jdstrand> well, what should I look at for flipped?
[11:48] <ogra_> i didnt rebuild yet
[11:48] <jdstrand> ok
[11:48] <ogra_> so it still has apparmor=0 on the cmdline
[11:49] <ogra_> but you can easily disable it. the lxc fix is in our package
[11:49] <jdstrand> is there a changelog for flipped somewhere like ubuntu_stamp?
[11:49] <ogra_> abootimg -i /dev/disk/by-name/LNX |grep cmdline
[11:50] <ogra_> no, only a manifest file
[11:50] <ogra_> we will pull in the changelog stuff over time
[11:50] <ogra_> the above cmd is for grouper
[11:50] <ogra_> to update the cmdline:
[11:51] <ogra_> abootimg -u /dev/disk/by-name/LNX  -c "cmdline=console=tty1"
[11:51] <ogra_> similar for maguro but with "boot" instead of LNX
[11:51] <ogra_> (and without the console=)
[11:51] <jdstrand> ogra_: what about mako?
[11:52] <ogra_> same thing ... also "boot" ... check the existing entry first before modifying so you dont drop other essential stuff
[11:52]  * jdstrand nods
[11:52] <jdstrand> ogra_: thanks! :)
[11:52] <ogra_> (i think we only have something in grouper though)
[12:24] <AskUbuntu> nexus 7 3g won't flash Ubuntu touch | http://askubuntu.com/q/313836
[12:35] <sergiusens> popey: do I need a special user status on askubuntu to reply to a question instead of answer it?
[12:35] <popey> no
[12:36] <popey> just login with your launchpad account
[12:36] <popey> uh, sso
[12:37] <sergiusens> popey: yeah, I can do a _Your Answer_ ... I may just be failing to find the link to reply to a post or answer (for clarification)
[12:37] <popey> which question?
[12:37] <sergiusens> popey: the one that just showed up :-)
[12:37] <popey> there's "add comment"?
[12:38] <sergiusens> popey: yeah I don't have it
[12:38] <sergiusens> popey: might be because you are a trusted user and I'm just giving an initial stance at this
[12:39] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/au.png
[12:39] <popey> doesn't look likee that?
[12:39] <netcurli> you need 50 reputation before you can comment
[12:39] <sergiusens> nope
[12:39] <popey> ah
[12:39] <sergiusens> that explains it :-)
[13:03] <Noize> popey are you awake? lol
[13:10] <Noize> popey it did install finally, i had to stock my phone then do phablet-flash -b for the first time, now i'd like to do 'phablet-flash -d mako --flipped' but when i go into recovery it doesnt see my device
[13:12] <popey> heh
[13:12] <popey> I don't know why that is Noize
[13:13] <ogra_> adb kill-server; sudo adb start-server
[13:13] <ogra_> try that one
[13:13] <sergiusens> Noize: what version of the adb package do you have?
[13:14] <Noize> latest build of yesterday at 11 pm
[13:14] <Noize> ogra_ that worked!
[13:15]  * ogra_ guesses a re-plug might have worked as well
[13:15] <sergiusens> well if you need to use sudo, it most likely means you have an old adb
[13:15] <sergiusens> ogra_: you told him to use sudo ;-)
[13:15] <ogra_> sergiusens, it sometimes seems to also hapen when the adb on the device changed
[13:15] <ogra_> sergiusens, yeah, eeeek !
[13:15] <ogra_> :)
[13:16] <sergiusens> ogra_: yeah, that could be the root cause for the now unrandom breakage
[13:22] <ogra_> sergiusens, so with my recent uploads  all images now use the initrd.img from ubuntu-touch-generic-initrd for the boot.img, now we just need to switch the ports to it
[13:32] <sergiusens> ogra_: I'm guessing we can just make it a default in the android build, once we officially switch that is
[13:33] <ogra_> sergiusens, right, we still need to have something that converts the ueventd rules into udev rules and make sure we copy that into place
[13:33] <ogra_> once we have that switching ports to flipped should just work
[13:34] <sergiusens> right, well nothing says we can't add it to the device specific repo and pick it up if there
[13:36] <ogra_> right, but we need somw conversion script or convert it on first boot
[13:36] <ogra_> either is fine
[13:38] <Noize> apparmor < does what?
[13:38] <ogra_> guard apps so they can only do what they allowed to
[13:39] <Noize> ah ok
[13:39] <ogra_> *what they are allowed to
[13:39] <Noize> is there a way to add google calendar dates to ubuntu touch?
[13:40]  * ogra_ knows it is a planned feature, i dont think it is there yet
[13:40] <Noize> ok
[13:42] <Noize> what else do i need to do to make my Ubuntu-Touch Homy?
[13:42] <Noize> or take off all the preview things
[13:45] <Noize> lol i send a message via sms, keyboard is still up xD
[13:48] <dorsatum> hello, i'd set up Qt with Qt 5.0.2 , two days back and the ubuntu sdk was installed and it was working fine, however today when i started Qt, the welcome page that is there when you install the ubuntu sdk for Qt Creator wasn't there, the default currency converter app works perfectly, but there is no sign of the SDk on Qt itself
[13:48] <Noize> any way to remove sample events under date and time?
[13:48] <dorsatum> when i go to the new projects page
[13:49] <dorsatum> there is no option of Ubuntu Touch as a project type
[13:51] <netcurli> dorsatum: just checked, I got the same problem (if I remember correctly, I updated the qtcreator plugin earlier today..)
[13:52] <dorsatum> netcurli: i updated the qtcreator plugin today too
[13:52] <ogra_> ../ubuntu-touch-meta-1.024
[13:52] <ogra_> dch warning: no orig tarball found for the new version.
[13:52] <ogra_> Added ubuntu-touch-generic-initrd to touch [armhf]
[13:52] <ogra_> Removed qtubuntu from touch
[13:53] <ogra_> sergiusens, err ... did we stop using qtubuntu ?
[13:53] <ogra_> (i get this when regenerating ubuntu-touch-meta)
[13:53] <dorsatum> netcurli: could you find a solution to this problem?
[13:57] <sergiusens> ogra_: hmm not yet... ricmm ??
[13:59] <ogra_> well, in fact we never seeded qtubuntu it seems
[13:59] <ogra_> but qtubuntu-android
[13:59] <netcurli> dorsatum: when I start qtcreator from the command lin it works.. I am not sure yet why
[13:59] <ogra_> seems that was didrocks change ...
[14:00] <sergiusens> qtubuntu-android? that's new to me
[14:00] <dorsatum> netcurli: indeed, works for me too, strange
[14:00] <ogra_> didrocks, did you forget to update ubuntu-touch-meta  after changing the seeds ?
[14:01] <dorsatum> netcurli: do you now have a new project type called Cordovaqt?
[14:01] <ogra_> sergiusens, https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/qtubuntu/move_android_only/+merge/171965
[14:01] <Noize> There is no timer for going back to the home screen yet, besides lock and unlock?
[14:01] <netcurli> dorsatum: yes
[14:02] <hopkinskong> dank101?
[14:02] <hopkinskong> OK fine.
[14:02] <hopkinskong> Anyone can help me?
[14:02] <ogra_> didrocks, i dont see how that will work with x86 based android installs
[14:02] <didrocks> ogra_: do we have any for now?
[14:03] <didrocks> ogra_: we can change it back to arch: any
[14:03] <netcurli> bzoltan: ping
[14:03] <ogra_> no, but people constantly ask for ports, its a matter of time until someone does a port
[14:03] <didrocks> ogra_: did you see my MP for qtubuntu?
[14:03] <ogra_> yes, got it in front of me
[14:03] <didrocks> ogra_: I have no problem setting it to arch: any but mzanetti did a full speach yesterday that it was idiot to build on !armhf as it's useless
[14:03] <sergiusens> just shared it with me
[14:04] <ogra_> didrocks, it totally isnt, there are more and more x86 android devices
[14:04] <mzanetti> didrocks: :D
[14:04] <ogra_> while we have no ports yet, they will come
[14:04] <mzanetti> didrocks: not quite... but yeah... there is something that I don't think is right
[14:04] <dorsatum> netcurli: and this is after the update, right?
[14:04] <didrocks> ogra_: at least, the package name change makes sense? I can revert to arch: any
[14:05] <ogra_> didrocks, mzanetti is right if it comes to plain PC like x86 tablets ... but not for android based x86 devices
[14:05] <didrocks> ogra_: yeah, hence the name change
[14:05] <sergiusens> I guess the timing is just bad :-)
[14:05] <ogra_> (and i guess the latter we will see more often soon)
[14:05] <didrocks> and the mocks will provide the same virtual package
[14:05] <sergiusens> I'm ok with the package name change
[14:05] <mzanetti> didrocks: ogra_: the problem I have with it is that it builds on !armhf but then fails to execute
[14:05] <didrocks> sergiusens: it can wait for Monday I think
[14:05] <didrocks> sergiusens: feel free to revert the seed change and we can transition on Monday
[14:06] <netcurli> dorsatum: I didn't have the project type before.. and the about screen of qtcreator says: Built on Jun 26 2013 at 19:21:11
[14:06] <didrocks> (that's why I did the comment on the bzr commit message)
[14:06] <ogra_> mzanetti, make it depend on the container package that provides the android side then :)
[14:06] <sergiusens> ogra_: exactly +1
[14:06] <dorsatum> netcurli: yep, i've got the same date
[14:06] <sergiusens> ogra_: well, wait for flip to become official!
[14:06] <mzanetti> ogra_: so we should all depend on the android side for everything
[14:06] <mzanetti> ?
[14:07] <didrocks> sergiusens: ogra_: FYI, push arch: any on my qtubuntu branch
[14:07] <ogra_> mzanetti, for everything that needs it, yeah
[14:07] <mzanetti> ogra_: so no more unity8 without android?
[14:07] <ogra_> if you have code requiring android bits, just depend on lxc-android-config with your package
[14:07] <ogra_> huh ?
[14:07] <ogra_> how is that related
[14:07] <sergiusens> ogra_: I guess it escalates a bit more
[14:08] <sergiusens> ogra_: they depend on qtubuntu and I guess the rule is dep on qtubuntu if armhf (which is something we want to avoid)
[14:08] <ogra_> mzanetti, if there are code snippets specific to android, make sure they are in a package depending on android ... very simple
[14:08] <ogra_> and keep the generic code in a generic package
[14:08] <mzanetti> no. its code depending on the qtubuntu api
[14:08] <sergiusens> which also means I can't run unity8 in our chromebooks :-)
[14:08] <ogra_> just dropping all arches isnt really a proper solution
[14:08] <mzanetti> imho that abstraction should happen inside qtubuntu
[14:09] <mzanetti> and if we're on something without android, do it without android in there
[14:09] <sergiusens> didrocks: we had this conversation in the past for hud, did we retake on it for the proper solution?
[14:09] <didrocks> sergiusens: yeah, hud is converging back to a better detection story
[14:09] <didrocks> sergiusens: and we promissed the release team that we'll remove this hack ASAP
[14:09] <didrocks> hence I don't want we introduce more
[14:09] <sergiusens> didrocks: so we probably need that for unit8 as well
[14:09] <ogra_> mzanetti, i think we mean the same, i'm just not happy about the way you take to get there :)
[14:10] <mzanetti> otherwise all our apps and everything needs to duplicate code that only loads qtubuntu if android bits are
[14:10] <mzanetti> this imho is not the right thing to do
[14:10] <didrocks> sergiusens: no, we found a proper solution with Saviq this morning, but it needs this renaming :)
[14:10] <didrocks> (with the current code)
[14:10] <sergiusens> didrocks: I'm ok with the renaming btw
[14:10] <ogra_> mzanetti, the prob lies in qtubuntu not having the android related properly separated into an extra package here
[14:11] <didrocks> sergiusens: ok, you meant that the transition is in a bad timing? I'm ok with Monday, knowing that I have to leave early today…
[14:11] <ogra_> *related bits
[14:11] <sergiusens> didrocks: also with adding it as a base dep and even removing it from the unity8 deps if even there
[14:11] <dorsatum> netcurli: i posted a question regarding this on Ask Ubuntu.
[14:11] <didrocks> sergiusens: yeah, we are going to have qtubuntu-mock | qtubuntu-shell in unity8
[14:11] <mzanetti> ogra_: once it is below the qtubuntu api, I don't mind if its split up in multiple packages or not (I probably would do that too)
[14:11] <sergiusens> didrocks: yeah, today was supposed to be the day of full tests on the flipped image :-)
[14:11] <mzanetti> ogra_: but right now the split happens above the qtubuntu api, which is the thing that I don't like
[14:12] <didrocks> sergiusens: as in the touch seed we are going to install qtubuntu-android providing qtubuntu-shell, we have that dep fullfill :)
[14:12] <ogra_> mzanetti, and apparently Saviq and didrocks have a proper solution already :)
[14:12] <netcurli> dorsatum: we should probably file a bug
[14:12] <didrocks> sergiusens: ok, revert, let's make the switch on Monday :)
[14:12] <didrocks> (revert the seed)
[14:12]  * ogra_ does then
[14:12] <netcurli> or if someone from the sdk team is here, ask someone directly
[14:12] <didrocks> let me write that on the MP so that it's not merged by error as well
[14:12] <ogra_> ok
[14:14] <didrocks> ok, commented
[14:14] <ogra_> you can seed packages arch specific .... are you aware of that ?
[14:15] <dorsatum> netcurli: probably, we should. let's just wait and see what kind of a response we get from folks at Ask Ubuntu, then we can move forward. could you gimme a mail id where i could contact you?
[14:15] <didrocks> ogra_: yeah, did that a long time ago (for UNR/UNE), but you don't build the touch seed for armhf only anyway?
[14:15] <ogra_> we currently do, i plan to change that soon
[14:16] <didrocks> ah ok, so it was fine for now :)
[14:16] <AskUbuntu> Problem with QtCreator after update | http://askubuntu.com/q/313879
[14:17] <dorsatum> ^^that would be the question i posted :)
[14:17] <sergiusens> dorsatum: that's more of a bug than a question
[14:18] <dorsatum> sergiusens: what should be the next step then?
[14:19] <sergiusens> dorsatum: log a bug for the sdk I guess... I don't really use the sdk to give you a path to resolution
[14:19] <pmcgowan> jppiiroinen, ^^
[14:20] <dorsatum> sergiusens:ok, thanks. i'll just wait for a while to see if anyone can provide a solution on Ask Ubuntu, if that doesn't work out, i'll file a bug
[14:23] <netcurli> dorsatum: I found the problem
[14:24] <netcurli> the old qtcreator desktop file has  "qtcreator -noload Ubuntu" in it. you have to use "Ubuntu SDK" nmow
[14:24] <netcurli> *now
[14:25] <dorsatum> netcurli: where is this file?
[14:25] <netcurli> you can just search for Ubuntu SDK in the dash
[14:27] <jppiiroinen> dorsatum, pmcgowan: there are now two different desktop files, one of being Qt Creator and other being Ubuntu SDK. When you execute the Qt Creator it will not load Ubuntu plugin.
[14:27] <iBelieve> netcurli, mind if I update my answer on Ask Ubuntu to explain that? Currently I suggest removing the "-noload Ubuntu" line.
[14:28] <pmcgowan> jppiiroinen, if I type this in the terminal it fails qtcreator -noload Ubuntu -noload CordovaqtProjectManager %F
[14:28] <jppiiroinen> that -noload CordovaqtProjectManager should not be there
[14:29] <pmcgowan> jppiiroinen, right thats in the desktop file
[14:30] <jppiiroinen> it is not in the project trunk anymore, so i will have to check what we have in the ppa
[14:30] <pmcgowan> jppiiroinen, who decided to change this behavior?
[14:31] <jppiiroinen> pmcgowan: my bad
[14:31] <pmcgowan> jppiiroinen, not saying its wrong, we just need to be explicit and let people know
[14:32] <dorsatum> iBelieve: it works, i followed your method, and it works
[14:32] <dorsatum> i'll close the question on Ask Ubuntu then
[14:33] <iBelieve> dorsatum, don't close it - mark my answer as accepted. But did you see what netcurli said about the Ubuntu SDK app?
[14:34] <dorsatum> iBelieve,yes, i did, tried it and it worked. well, i haven't checked out properly, but it seems to be alright.
[14:35] <dorsatum> and, i'll mark your answer, thank you!
[14:35] <netcurli> iBelieve: you should update your answer to include the new information
[14:35] <iBelieve> netcurli, okay, thanks
[14:36] <dorsatum> netcurli, thank you, too.
[14:56] <iBelieve> I see in the blueprint for the file manager, "Create proper icons for current placeholder icons in toolbar" - does that refer to using icons from the ubuntu-mobile icon theme?
[14:58] <dpm> hey all, I tried to flash this morning, but it failed with "error: insufficient permissions for device" -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5808037/ I'm now stuck at the recovery screen, how can I recover from that?
[15:01] <popey> dpm: adb kill-server ; sudo adb devices
[15:01] <popey> then re-run it
[15:01] <popey> (phablet-flash re-run that is)
[15:03] <popey> dpm: does "adb devices" show it up?
[15:11] <stgraber> ogra_: hey, so I'm hoping to get some testing images for flipped+loop-mount published on system-image next week (so we have them around for those who want to test/bugfix the new setup). Would you be fine with me pushing some changes to our current initrd to handle loop-mount too?
[15:11] <stgraber> basically have the initrd switch to my code if it spots system.img on the data partition, otherwise act as it currently does (standard flipped model)
[15:11] <ogra_> stgraber, as parallel thing ?
[15:11] <stgraber> yep
[15:11] <ogra_> fine with me
[15:11] <ogra_> note that the initrd now requires two uploads
[15:12] <stgraber> ogra_: ah?
[15:12] <ogra_> ubuntu-touch-generic-initrd is a package that ships the binary generically built initrd we will use everywhere now
[15:12] <boost12> can i flash ubuntu os on lg optimus G ??
[15:12] <ogra_> so make sure to upload that after you made changes to initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch
[15:13] <stgraber> ogra_: ok
[15:13] <ogra_> i'm still pondering how to get both into the same package to prevent 4h turnaround time for proposed migrarion and publishing
[15:14] <ogra_> (until then i guess using a local mirror is faster)
[15:15] <bobweaver> anyone here know anything about zeroconf/bonjour/avahi ?
[15:16] <ogra_> !ask  | bobweaver
[15:16] <ogra_> :P
[15:16] <bobweaver> lol
[15:16] <ogra_> :)+
[15:17] <bobweaver> ogra_,  I am using a custom plugin in my app to gather info (dude where's my mediaserver) but I can not figure it out 100% like calling the ports and the ip address
[15:18] <ogra_> hmm, cant you just attach to the client on your side and have it handle the protocol ?
[15:18]  * bobweaver has no clue how to use big/little/endinan to make port number :/ 
[15:18] <bobweaver> Yeah But i have to figure out how to register the service and if there is one on  the backend
[15:19] <bobweaver> dont know if mythtv has it like a register and what not
[15:19] <ogra_> i see libavahi-qt4-dev at least (on my precise desktop) i would expect there to be a qt5 implementation too somewhere
[15:20] <bobweaver> I made my own ogra_
[15:20] <bobweaver> c++
[15:20] <ogra_> right, but why ? :)
[15:20] <bobweaver> because I had none in qt5
[15:20] <bobweaver> and I was following a book
[15:21] <ogra_> well, might make sense to send it to avahi upstream then
[15:21] <bobweaver> also my app is for way more then nix
[15:21] <ogra_> so we can get libavahi-qt5-dev
[15:21] <bobweaver> I guess I could port that later on
[15:21] <bobweaver> I am useing bonjour though
[15:21] <Oranger> balloons: Hey :) sorry to bother you again ^^' I have a problem with DBus and autopilot, can you quickly test my branch ? I want to know if this error is linked with my computer or with my code..
[15:22] <balloons> Oranger, branch?
[15:23] <Oranger> blaroche: My code, from my branch  lp:~chocanto/ubuntu-docviewer-app/autopilot-tests ^^'
[15:23] <Oranger> blaroche: Woops sorry
[15:23] <Oranger> balloons: My code, from my branch  lp:~chocanto/ubuntu-docviewer-app/autopilot-tests ^^'
[15:24] <Oranger> balloons: Just an "autopilot run -v ubuntu-docviewer-app", i get 10 exceptions "Could not get PID of name 'org.freedesktop.DBus': no such name"
[15:24] <balloons> CalledProcessError: Command '['which', '../../ubuntu-docviewer-app']' returned non-zero exit status 1
[15:25] <balloons> I don't get dbus errors
[15:26] <Oranger> balloons: Did you qmake make ?
[15:26] <balloons> no, I branched and tried to run :-)
[15:26] <Noize> How do i play music on Ubuntu-Touch, doesnt seem to work?
[15:27] <Oranger> balloons: I see ^^ Just do a simple qmake then make on root, then autopilot ;)
[15:29] <mfisch> cking: lets discuss the settings here +sforshee
[15:29] <cking> yup
[15:29] <mfisch> sforshee: I dont see a way to see if the get call errored out
[15:30] <Oranger> balloons: It's just to be sure of this :)
[15:30] <mfisch> cking: okay try this for fun, edit /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/com.canonical.powerd.gschema.xml and change the defaults
[15:32] <mfisch> cking: after that you need to run glib-compile-schemas /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/ and reboot
[15:32] <mfisch> cking: but I dont think that this will help, but it will tell us more
[15:32]  * cking waits for the reboot to complete
[15:34] <dpm> popey, the device is detected, but the UI won't start (I'm on recovery mode). I think phablet-tools requires the UI to be running to work
[15:35] <dpm> any ideas anyone how I can recover from a failed phablet-flash? -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5808037/
[15:36] <cking> mfisch, that seems to work
[15:38] <stgraber> ogra_: working on a couple of changes to lxc-android-config to make it work with loop-mount too, do we actually use the overrides anywhere or can I drop that?
[15:40] <ogra_> stgraber, we use it for all first boot stuff
[15:40] <ogra_> so please dont remove it
[15:40] <pmcgowan> dpm, can you do that adb push manually now?
[15:40] <ogra_> stgraber, you are referring to the .override upstart file right ?
[15:40] <stgraber> ogra_: no, /var/lib/android/overrides
[15:40] <stgraber> */var/lib/lxc/android/overrides
[15:41] <ogra_> stgraber, oh, yeah thats essential for the Mir guys
[15:41] <ogra_> they need a way to disable SF
[15:41] <ogra_> (and its generally helpful for development and fiddling with the container)
[15:41] <stgraber> ogra_: ah, ok, good to know, I'll spend some time to make it work with the loop-mount stuff then (currently doesn't)
[15:41] <ogra_> so please dont remove it unless you ship a replacement for it
[15:42] <pmcgowan> dpm, you are at step 2 here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Manual_Installation
[15:46] <Noize> How do i install the working Music player?
[15:47] <Noize> is it just music-app ?
[15:47] <iBelieve> Noize, ubuntu-music-app, I think
[15:48] <dpm> pmcgowan, let me try that, thanks for the tip
[15:49] <balloons> Oranger, let me know if there is anything else you need
[15:49] <mfisch> cking: I have no explanation for why that worked
[15:50] <cking> mfisch, I can understand that, it's been randomly working and not working and I can't figure out why it worked earlier in the week and not today. i've even done a clean daily install to sanity check things
[15:51] <stgraber> ogra_: hey, I'll have a new pre-start.sh for you to test in a minute (testing it on loop-mount first)
[15:54] <stgraber> ogra_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5808184/
[15:55] <stgraber> ogra_: works fine here on loop-mount
[15:55] <ogra_> stgraber, i wont be able to test that immediately, currently testing for actually making flipped the default
[15:56] <mfisch> cking: if it doesnt work again after a clean install, I'll write up some test code for you to try
[15:57] <mfisch> cking: next time you wipe the device
[15:57] <cking> mfisch, I will totally nuke it and retry
[15:57] <stgraber> ogra_: ok. Unless I made a nasty typo I'm not seeing, the code should be identical to what you have currently for flipped, so unless you shout at me by the time I'm ready to push the initrd bits, I'll just upload it
[15:57] <ogra_> stgraber, i will test soon
[15:58] <ogra_> stgraber, why the second path for the ramdisk ? i doubt we will change where it ships
[15:59] <ogra_> (and i doubt we cant actually, since it needs to be created during android build)
[15:59] <Oranger> balloons: I just needed that ^^
[16:00] <Oranger> balloons: But if you can't no worries :)
[16:01] <stgraber> ogra_: in my images, /var/lib/lxc/android/system.img and /var/lib/lxc/android/ramdisk.img come from the device-specific .tar.xz (unpacked on top of the generic rootfs)
[16:02] <ogra_> hmm, k
[16:02] <stgraber> ogra_: that .tar.xz contains the Android system.img for the device, the boot.img partition image and the android initrd (extracted from the Android system partition)
[16:02] <ogra_> cjwatson, you didnt merge the new do-zip code yet, right _
[16:02] <ogra_> ?
[16:02]  * ogra_ gets weird results trying to downoad the images today
[16:03] <ogra_> stgraber, right
[16:06] <stgraber> ogra_: ah, actually, I don't need to ship ramdisk.img in there, I can just retried it from /android/system/boot/android-ramdisk.img (maybe that's what you meant)
[16:07] <stgraber> I'll change my code to do that (using /android/system/boot as a way to check it's on loop-mounted as /android doesn't exist on standard flipped)
[16:08] <ogra_> stgraber, well, we copy it to /boot
[16:08] <ogra_> at install time
[16:08] <ogra_> and wanted to keep that as a generic place for it
[16:08] <stgraber> ogra_: you won't be able to on the loop-mount/repartitioned images as / is read-only
[16:09] <ogra_> i assume you didnt port the updater-script over ?
[16:09] <ogra_> how can it be readonly at install time ?
[16:09] <stgraber> ah yeah, it'll be read/write at unpack time, but we don't let any script run at that time as we want to guarantee all devices are identical
[16:10] <ogra_> hmm
[16:10] <stgraber> ogra_: anyway, can we rely on the ramdisk always being in /boot/android-ramdisk.img of the system partition?
[16:10] <stgraber> if so, then we're good
[16:10] <ogra_> atm we can
[16:11] <stgraber> well, let's make sure it stays that way then, saves us an extra copy anyway :)
[16:11] <stgraber> ogra_: updated: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5808231/
[16:11] <cjwatson> ogra_: not quite yet
[16:11] <cjwatson> any problems are not my fault :-)
[16:12] <ogra_> cjwatson, yeah, mine, already found it
[16:13] <ogra_> it is funny though that rsync doesnt sunc a symlinked file but syncs the link
[16:13] <ogra_> s/sunc/sync/
[16:13] <ogra_> i just ended up with a downloaded dangling symlink here
[16:14] <elopio> Hi jppiiroinen. Thanks for your reviews. I commented back on the second MP.
[16:14] <ogra_> cjwatson, lets get your stuff in asap ... i'm getting tired of this
[16:15] <cjwatson> If I can manage it today I will; just scrambling to finish my last June WI, and have to write up my perf review objectives
[16:21] <dpm> that fixed my install, thanks pmcgowan!
[16:21] <pmcgowan> awesome
[16:21] <pmcgowan> not sure why it lost permissions
[16:26] <cking> mfisch, so, restored n4 back to android, clean phablet-flash with todays image, gsettings the timeout + restart powerd - failed to work. edited the  gschema xml file, reboot, timeouts still unchanged in the systlog. restarted powerd, systlog now shows the updated timeout
[16:26] <cking> s/systlog/syslog
[16:26] <mfisch> cking: ugh, can you file a bug?
[16:26] <mfisch> sforshee: ping
[16:26] <cking> yup
[16:26] <ogra_> cjwatson, urgh, thanks for the livecd-rootfs fix (i would have throught its dirt on my display if i had noticed it)
[16:27] <mfisch> cking: file it in lp:powerd please
[16:27] <cjwatson> ogra_: just noticed the image build failure mail
[16:28] <sforshee> mfisch: pong
[16:28] <mfisch> sforshee: I think we may want to consider having a check to see if powerd is already running
[16:29] <ogra_> jdstrand, did anyone test apparmor against flipped images at all ?
[16:30] <sforshee> mfisch: okay, that sounds fine
[16:30] <mfisch> sforshee: I'll file a bug for that too
[16:32] <jdstrand> ogra_: I'm lacking context. are you asking because of a new issue?
[16:33] <jdstrand> ogra_: and the answer is 'yes'
[16:33] <ogra_> yes
[16:33] <ogra_> ok
[16:33] <jdstrand> what is the problem?
[16:33] <ogra_> seems we are not getting any data over the wire for some bits we read from android
[16:34] <ogra_> specifically some sensors return 0 which kills the qmlshell
[16:34] <jdstrand> and this is with the new lxc?
[16:35] <ogra_> due to image breakage we cant really tell what change it was ... but seemingly none of the qml bits were updated since apparmor came in
[16:35] <Laney> seb128: Is the order of categories here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemSettings#Phone_settings_interface what it should be?
[16:35] <Laney> We have personal, network, system currently
[16:35] <ogra_> jdstrand, right, with all changes and fixes from the last days
[16:39] <ogra_> stgraber, oh, btw, do you think of providing us an easy way to use the rootfs rw too ? else i fear development will get tricky
[16:39] <seb128> Laney, no, they are in the wrong order, feel free to fix
[16:39] <seb128> Laney, e.g we should do what is in the design
[16:39] <Laney> rockin'
[16:39] <Laney> I'm going to get rid of the example too
[16:39] <Laney> don't think we need that any more
[16:40] <seb128> Laney, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-system-settings/dont-install-example
[16:40] <Laney> o rly
[16:40] <seb128> Laney, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-system-settings/dont-install-example/+merge/172103
[16:40] <seb128> Laney, if you want to ack it
[16:40] <Laney> did you /just/ do that? :P
[16:40] <seb128> Laney, I was just saying that to Ken 15 min ago ;-)
[16:40]  * Laney has no email about it
[16:40] <jdstrand> ogra_: have you tried with apparmor=0 again?
[16:40] <seb128> Laney, I just hit the "propose the merge" button, I was waiting on other stuff to get merged to make sure there was no conflict
[16:41] <stgraber> ogra_: yep, my change to the initrd includes a /data/.developer_mode file, if you touch it, / becomes read-write
[16:41] <seb128> Laney, I kept the source because it's the only example of cpp plugin we have atm
[16:41] <ogra_> stgraber, awesome, thanks
[16:41] <cking> mfisch, 1195803
[16:41] <mfisch> cking: thanks
[16:41] <mfisch> sforshee: ^^
[16:42] <jdstrand> ogra_: what happened the first time was not apparmor per se, it was that lxc needed updates. of course, our testing didn't show that, and so we fixed it
[16:42] <stgraber> ogra_: just done making the massive changes to the initrd I needed, running a test on my device now, I'll give you an initrd.img to test in a moment too (to check I didn't regress on standard flipped)
[16:42] <jdstrand> ogra_: but at this point, with apparmor enabled, lxc's apparmor is disabled-- we don't have policy in place that should interfere
[16:42] <ogra_> jdstrand, yeah, seems the bug is also not reliably reproducable ... it doesnt happen on every boot, so apparmor=0 wont be easy to verify
[16:43] <jdstrand> ogra_: but jjohansen tested this quite a bit yesterday on the flipped image
[16:43] <ogra_> ok
[16:44] <jdstrand> if it doesn't happen on every boot, it seems odd that apparmor would be to blame...
[16:45] <ogra_> yeah
[16:46] <ogra_> well, it is one of the candidates that changed
[16:53] <nik90> Kaleo: ping
[16:55] <cjwatson> ogra_: I think I'll save this landing for Monday, sorry - don't have enough time to test it now and don't want to leave it potentially even more broken over the weekend
[16:55] <ogra_> cjwatson, ok, np
[16:56] <stgraber> ogra_: ok, would be great if you could also test: https://www.stgraber.org/download/initrd.img-touch-0.17 and confirm your device still boots
[16:57] <stgraber> between that one and my updated pre-start.sh, I can boot a loop-mounted flipped device with only very minimal changes to the rootfs (two mkdir, one rm, two symlinks and an updated fstab which I'm now moving to the initrd too)
[17:12] <esigolo> Hello
[17:20] <jjohansen> ogra_: do we have a bug for the issue?
[17:20] <ogra_> jjohansen, nope, and it seems to be device specific
[17:20] <ogra_> not apparmor
[17:21] <jjohansen> ogra_: which device?
[17:21] <ogra_> mako
[17:21] <ogra_> seems the sensorservice inside the container has issues there
[17:21] <ogra_> more likely a race than a permission thing
[17:27] <elopio> ping Kaleo.
[17:27] <elopio> I need help with this branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/toolbar_emulator/+merge/171720
[17:27] <elopio> can you give me a hand?
[17:47] <elopio> timp: I've found an email that suggests you might be able to help me too :)
[18:05] <esigolo> 3g connections only on terminal ?
[18:06] <pmcgowan> esigolo, right no UI yet
[18:08] <esigolo> pmcgowan: thanks
[18:19] <esigolo>  i'm thinking on buy an LG optimus G as a secondary phone and try to use ubuntu-touch on the Nexus 4 daily
[18:20] <esigolo> would be the only way to get real feedback on the issues, pros and cons
[18:24] <jdstrand> oh! /usr/share/ufw/check-requirements -f is passing now
[18:24] <bobweaver> ogra_,    http://imagebin.org/262776     :)
[18:25] <ogra_> heh, nice
[18:26]  * jdstrand hugs ogra_ and rsalveti
[18:26] <jdstrand> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+bug/1194549/comments/2)
[18:26] <Noize> Is there a way to add a feature so you don'
[18:26] <Noize> *don't send blank messages?
[18:27] <rsalveti> jdstrand: awesome
[18:27] <rsalveti> thought it would get closed automatically, but it's not an official ubuntu bug, let me close it :-)
[18:27] <bobweaver> ogra_,  you where right (like most times)  all I had to do was look for the qstring that had the service for the browser and register pretty easy to use.  Now to make things like if connected to bonjour then notify stuff ect :) \o/ thanks again :)
[18:27] <jdstrand> rsalveti: thanks! :)
[18:28] <esigolo> Noize: You could install without problems yesterday?
[18:29] <Noize> esigolo, everything is working now, i went stock, then 'phablet-flash -b', once i did that, i had to kill the server run as sudo to start then i could 'phablet-falsh -d mako --flipped'
[18:29] <Noize> i imported my contacts and such :)
[18:30] <Noize> working beautifully
[18:30] <esigolo> great
[18:30] <esigolo> and how is it working for you?
[18:30] <Noize> Everything works great, it's a bit slow for app loading(common though)
[18:31] <Noize> i cant get ride of the sample items under 'Date and Time'
[18:31] <Noize> *rid
[18:31] <Noize> i'm also assuming the live wallpaper isn't working correct?
[18:32] <esigolo> I think so
[18:32] <Noize> i'm also seeing how long the battery lasts currently, i have the phone app + web browser open
[18:33] <Noize> it goes in and out of idle, as i use it once in a while to check battery life
[18:34] <esigolo> strange as it is what made me return to the android was the problem I had with the protective cover
[18:35] <Noize> like a screen protector?
[18:35] <esigolo> as the cover protecting the edges I had trouble navigating
[18:35] <Noize> it's a bit different i do have to say, the select area could be a bit bigger, but i can deal with it
[18:35] <Noize> it
[18:36] <esigolo> back cover
[18:36] <esigolo> http://images.mobilefun.co.uk/graphics/productmisc/37460/1.jpg
[18:36] <Noize> ah
[18:36] <Noize> yeah i have a cover like that
[18:36] <Noize> the only issue i have is using my thumb to navigate, but i'm with switching to my pointer finger
[18:37] <esigolo> was getting really annoying trying to get slide
[18:37] <Noize> at first it did take awhile for me
[18:37] <Noize> now im used to it
[18:37] <esigolo> but on the subway train
[18:37] <esigolo> or bus is very hard to use both hands
[18:38] <esigolo> so you have to use the thumb
[18:38] <Noize> this is my case: Rearth Ringke Fusion Case; http://cdn3.mos.techradar.futurecdn.net//art/features/Best%20phone%20cases/Best%20Nexus%204%20case/Rearth_Ringke_Fusion_Case_N-580-90.jpg
[18:39] <Noize> i can see that as an issue, i would just say make the touch area to activate it slightly bigger
[18:39] <Noize> or within system settings allow you to change that size to activate it
[18:39] <esigolo> agreed
[18:40] <esigolo> should we report that as a issue?
[18:40] <Noize> its not so much an issue, just a feature that needs to be added
[18:40] <Noize> I'd happily contribute to Ubuntu-Touch, but i already have a project on my hands with Google Glass
[18:42] <esigolo> the best i can do is test
[18:42] <esigolo> on my real time job
[18:43] <Noize> i would say look at the tests on here:https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps/+bugs?field.tag=needs-autopilot-test
[18:43] <esigolo> i'm working on a project
[18:43] <Noize> then help on those
[18:43] <esigolo> we are implementing a DR plan on the company so there is alot of time spent
[18:44] <Noize> a sounds like fun
[18:45] <esigolo> sure thanks
[19:00] <iBelieve> balloons: ping
[19:28] <balloons> iBelieve, pong
[19:29] <iBelieve> balloons, The fix I mentioned yesterday for the autopilot ubuntusdk and the new ToolbarItems doesn't work for the back button. Here is a fixed version: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5808682/
[19:32] <iBelieve> balloons, I also have a couple of questions about what some of the autopilot tests for file manager are supposed to do. Should I ask you here or as comments on the bugs?
[19:33] <esigolo> i think i will need some more information on how this tests works
[19:33] <balloons> iBelieve, whew, well hmm
[19:34] <balloons> iBelieve, alright, ty for the fix.. I had to update the original sdk because the back button was a bit backwards too :-)
[19:35] <iBelieve> balloons, but that fix is for the old ToolbarActions though, right?
[19:36] <esigolo> where can i get more information about auto pilot tests?
[19:36] <balloons> esigolo, I'd be happy to talk about autopilot tests
[19:36] <balloons> let me get you some links for reading ;)
[19:36] <balloons> iBelieve, yes it is.. however the new sdk should work with back as well
[19:37] <balloons> elopio is actually writing it and geting it worked through the merge process
[19:37] <esigolo> okay tanks
[19:37] <esigolo> thanks
[19:37] <iBelieve> balloons, okay, so you don't need problems reported to you about it anymore then?
[19:43] <jdstrand> jjohansen: can you think of any reason why this would work from the terminal app, but not from a .desktop file? - /usr/sbin/aa-exec -p ubuntu-calculator-app qmlscene /usr/share/ubuntu-calculator-app/ubuntu-calculator-app.qml
[19:43] <balloons> iBelieve, no I think we're good.. but feel free to mention other issues if you find them
[19:43] <balloons> I want to make sure everythig is included
[19:43] <jjohansen> jdstrand: in which way does it not work? Does it fail to exec, attach a profile, ...
[19:44] <balloons> so esigolo; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Testing
[19:44] <iBelieve> balloons, okay, will do. I also have a couple of questions about what some of the autopilot tests for file manager are supposed to do. Should I ask you here or as comments on the bugs?
[19:44] <balloons> esigolo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Testing/ContributeAutopilotTestcase
[19:44] <balloons> esigolo, http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/tutorials/quality/how-to-write-autopilot-tests/
[19:44] <balloons> and finally esigolo http://unity.ubuntu.com/autopilot/
[19:45] <jdstrand> jjohansen: it is weird, the screen goes white and the app doesn't launch. if I update the Exec line to remove aa-exec, then it works
[19:45] <jdstrand> I wonder if I should restart the session
[19:45] <esigolo> balloons: thank you !
[19:45] <jdstrand> istr updating desktop files didn't always work immediately
[19:45] <balloons> esigolo, feel free to ping me or ask questions here or in #ubuntu-autopilot
[19:46] <jjohansen> jdstrand: are there any apparmor messages in the log?
[19:46] <esigolo> okay
[19:46] <jdstrand> jjohansen: no. it works totally fine with aa-exec from the terminal app
[19:47] <jjohansen> jdstrand: the .desktop file may cause a slightly different path than from the terminal
[19:47] <jdstrand> it is only when I update the .desktop file does it not work
[19:48] <jjohansen> jdstrand: okay so why does the .desktop file not like aa-exec?
[19:48] <ZDmitry> balloons, hi
[19:48] <stgraber> ogra_: any chance you can test that pre-start.sh and initrd or should I just upload (would like to get rid of that stuff before I start working on upstart)
[19:48] <ZDmitry> balloons, some things from autopilot tests of the terminal which is in progress can be interesting for you:  https://code.launchpad.net/~hiroshidi/ubuntu-terminal-app/autopilot-header-and-settings
[19:48] <ogra_> will test now
[19:48] <jdstrand> jjohansen: that is what I'm wondering about
[19:49] <jjohansen> jdstrand: perhaps different env vars?
[19:49] <jdstrand> there is a /usr/bin/ubuntu-calculator-app shell script
[19:49] <jdstrand> jjohansen: maybe... but I didn't think aa-exec would be influenced by envvars
[19:50] <jjohansen> jdstrand: aa-exec it self no, but perl is, maybe something there
[19:50] <jdstrand> maybe
[19:50] <ogra_> stgraber, script works fine
[19:50] <jjohansen> jdstrand: I am just trying to come up with a hypothesis
[19:50]  * jdstrand adjust script in /usr/bin with aa-exec and remove aa-exec from .desktop and sees what happens
[19:51] <jjohansen> jdstrand: hrmm so no rejects at all from the .desktop right?
[19:52] <jjohansen> to me that says its failing before it gets to the exec
[19:52] <ogra_> stgraber, initrd makes the booting horridly slow
[19:53] <jdstrand> jjohansen: that's correct
[19:53] <ogra_> feels like it adds 30sec to the already 1.5min boot
[19:53] <balloons> ZDmitry, ty
[19:53] <balloons> ohh.. fonts and colors :-)
[19:54] <ogra_> stgraber, i dont think such a delay is acceptable ... the maguro is already extremely slow booting
[19:54] <ZDmitry> balloons, yes. But fonts not fully covered.
[19:54] <jdstrand> so, if I use Exec=/usr/bin/ubuntu-calculator-app with /usr/bin/ubuntu-calculator-app using: aa-exec -p ubuntu-calculator-app qmlscene /usr/share/ubuntu-calculator-app/ubuntu-calculator-app.qml, it exec and runs and I see a pid with aa-status, but it doesn't display
[19:55] <markthema3> Will flashing Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 7 wipe my data partition? I'd like to just test it out and then restore a Nandroid backup but if Ubuntu wipes data I won't have that backup anymore.
[19:56] <jdstrand> jjohansen: well, don't let me waste your time
[19:56]  * jdstrand keep spoking
[19:57] <stgraber> ogra_: hmm, what? on flipped it should go through the exact same code as it did before, so for you it shouldn't be any slower
[19:57] <ogra_> stgraber, can you wrap your new code in a  cmdline option ?
[19:57] <jjohansen> jdstrand: sorry I didn't follow that
[19:57] <ogra_> it took about 30sec more than usual to boot
[19:57] <jdstrand> jjohansen: I'm just saying I know you have other things to do, and I'll keep poking at it
[19:57] <ogra_> and since all of that was with the google logo on screen i'm pretty sure that was the initrd
[19:58] <stgraber> ogra_: can you pastebin your dmesg? I'm rechecking the code now, but the codepath for non-loop should be identical to what it was before...
[19:59] <stgraber> ogra_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5808850/ is the diff, note that everything is under an if statement...
[19:59] <ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5808851/
[20:00] <ZDmitry> balloons, also I updated MainWindow emulator: added functions for work with ValueSelector, window resizing and Slider. Still functions for slider required some improvement.
[20:00] <jjohansen> jdstrand: no I didn't follow your so if I use ... comment
[20:00] <ogra_> stgraber, i see some apport oopses there, let me reboot again and see if thats as slow
[20:01] <balloons> ZDmitry, are those things possibilities to include the the sdk emulator/
[20:01] <balloons> ?
[20:01] <jjohansen> jdstrand: I think it means, if you have the .desktop file use a bash script that calls aa-exec then the app starts, but it doesn't properly display
[20:01] <stgraber> ogra_: based on the dmesg, the initrd was done withing 4s which seems reasonable
[20:01] <jdstrand> jjohansen: if I change /usr/share/applications/ubuntu-calculator-app to use: Exec=/usr/bin/ubuntu-calculator-app, then I change /usr/bin/ubuntu-caclculator-app to use: aa-exec -p ubuntu-calculator-app qmlscene /usr/share/ubuntu-calculator-app/ubuntu-calculator-app.qml, then aa-exec succeeds and there is a confined process
[20:02] <jdstrand> meh, /usr/share/applications/ubuntu-calculator-app should be /usr/share/applications/ubuntu-calculator-app.desktop
[20:02] <ZDmitry> balloons, of course, we can move them to ubuntusdk emu.
[20:03] <jdstrand> jjohansen: the only thing is that doesn't display on the tablet
[20:03] <jjohansen> jdstrand: so it is something to do with how the .desktop launcher is calling aa-exec
[20:03] <jdstrand> I think so
[20:03] <balloons> ZDmitry, ok, let me go look
[20:03] <jjohansen> did you want to try with a binary aa-exec
[20:03] <jjohansen> jdstrand: ^
[20:03] <balloons> elopio, is working on the ubuntu sdk emulator as we speak.. feel free to share these ideas with him :-)
[20:03] <balloons> ZDmitry, ^^
[20:03] <ogra_> stgraber, yeah, go for it, i think its these apparmor oopses that make it slow
[20:03] <jdstrand> jjohansen: if it is handy
[20:03] <ZDmitry> balloons, sec
[20:04] <ogra_> jjohansen, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5808851/  see the bottom
[20:04] <ogra_> i think there is still something wrong
[20:04] <stgraber> ogra_: cool, just finishing to rewrite lxc-android-boot.conf to deal with read-only/loop-mount and I'll upload both packages
[20:04] <ZDmitry> balloons, lp:~hiroshidi/ubuntu-terminal-app/autopilot-header-and-settings
[20:05] <ogra_> stgraber, be careful, the fstab creation puts an override for lxc-android-boot.conf in place so it doesnt run twice
[20:05] <stgraber> ogra_: it won't be able to write it, don't worry :)
[20:05] <ZDmitry> balloons, or, if you want, just this one file: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~hiroshidi/ubuntu-terminal-app/autopilot-header-and-settings/view/head:/tests/autopilot/ubuntu_terminal_app/emulators/main_window.py
[20:06] <balloons> ZDmitry, I just went there, lol
[20:06] <Penagwin> Has anybody flashed a nook tablet as of yet?
[20:06] <ogra_> stgraber, well, i dont want it to run a second time ever :)
[20:06] <ogra_> it applies all HW related fixes atm
[20:06] <balloons> I'll be sure to share with elopio.. those are handy functions thank you!
[20:06] <stgraber> ogra_: we don't have a choice on read-only for now but I'm not touching the old flipped setup so that won't impact you
[20:06] <ZDmitry> balloons, sure
[20:07] <ogra_> stgraber, well, we need to find a way to do something like that in the new flipped world
[20:07] <jjohansen> jdstrand: you could modify the changeprofile.c test, but I don't have a direct replacement for aa-exec
[20:07] <ogra_> stgraber, worst case from initrd and remount it
[20:07] <ZDmitry> balloons, but keep in mind: drag for slider not completed yet
[20:08] <jjohansen> ogra_: which device?
[20:08] <ogra_> jjohansen, maguro
[20:08] <stgraber> ogra_: on read-only, I'll generate a new fstab in /tmp at boot time and bind-mount it over /etc/fstab, same thing for the udev rule file (I'll add an empty rule file and bind-mount the device specific one on top).
[20:08] <jjohansen> ogra_: okay, I'll poke at it
[20:08] <ogra_> stgraber, there is far more than fstab
[20:08] <jdstrand> jjohansen: that's fine. I just got there. let me play with it
[20:09] <ogra_> stgraber, to keep dogfooding working we need to be able to apply workarounds before fixes land
[20:09] <Penagwin> Has anybody flashed a nook tablet as of yet? Or is interested in doing so?
[20:09] <ogra_> stgraber, without being able to add the rmnet_usb devices to /e/n/i on first boot there wont be 3G on mako until NM gets fixed which still can take a whi;le
[20:09] <stgraber> ogra_: well, currently I see /lib/modules, a udev rule and the fstab, so I'll make those work for my read-only images. Developers can always remount read/write if they want to, as long as they don't expect image updates to work after that.
[20:10] <ogra_> stgraber, with the speed we all work at we cant do dogfooding without having the ability to apply such short term workarounds
[20:10] <stgraber> ogra_: sure, and we can bind-mount a file on top of /e/n/i to workaround that NM bug, you'll just have to get used to doing a bunch of bind-mounts instead of overwriting files ;)
[20:10] <ogra_> why ?
[20:11] <ogra_> we can overwrite them from initrd
[20:11] <stgraber> we can but we won't, I have no way of generating delta images if / may end up changing outside of my control
[20:11] <ogra_> have an overrides dir from shich you can throw stuff at the filesystem before mounting it ro
[20:11] <ogra_> hmof
[20:12] <Penagwin> Can somebody please help me port to a new device?
[20:13] <jdstrand> jjohansen: I think I'm going to pick this up later since I know that aa-exec works in general
[20:13] <wilee-nilee> Penagwin, Not without a detailed description, and that sounds like offtopic as well,
[20:13] <ogra_> Penagwin, did you read the porting wikipage from the channel topic already ?
[20:14] <Penagwin> Porting ubuntu touch to a device is off topic? Anyway Iam porting to a nook tablet, and yes ogra_
[20:14] <Penagwin> Iam not extremely good at following its instructions
[20:14] <wilee-nilee> Penagwin, This is support is all just a heads up, does not mean none will help. ;)
[20:14] <ogra_> hmm, i thought there was someone already with a working nook image, did you check the devices page ?
[20:15] <wilee-nilee> support means stock stuff in general
[20:15] <Penagwin> I did not see the devices page
[20:16] <ogra_> !devices
[20:16] <ogra_> there it is :)
[20:16] <Penagwin> Thanks one min!
[20:16] <ogra_> if there is one it might not be up to date though ... for that please contact the porting person
[20:16] <jdstrand> jjardon: ah, interesting, if I use this in the /usr/bin shell script, it all works: exec aa-exec -p ubuntu-calculator-app qmlscene /usr/share/ubuntu-calculator-app/ubuntu-calculator-app.qml. seems there is something with how it is tracking the processes
[20:16] <jdstrand> meh
[20:16] <jdstrand> jjardon: nm
[20:17] <ogra_> seems jj is a wide spread first name :)
[20:17] <Penagwin> The closest thing is a WIP port for nook color
[20:17] <esigolo> Noize: how did you imported your contacts
[20:17] <esigolo> ?
[20:18] <Noize> http://sergiusens.github.io/posts/google-contacts-on-ubuntu-touch.html
[20:18] <esigolo> Noize: thanks
[20:18] <Noize> npo
[20:18] <Noize> *np
[20:19] <Penagwin> Iam running a Nook tablet on Cynogen, Its android version is 2.3....
[20:20] <esigolo> sudo apt-get update /upgrade will upgrade core apps also ?
[20:21] <Penagwin> Do I need the device to be in Cynogen mod 10 in order to make the port?
[20:21] <tester> hello. i have a galaxy s2 and i want to run ubuntu on it. but will i still be able to use it as a phone?
[20:22] <esigolo> tester: what do you mean by that?
[20:23] <esigolo> do you mean make calls, sms, internet ?
[20:23] <tester> yes
[20:24] <ZDmitry> balloons, I'll  finish with function for drag slider on the next week. So I think more will be available from next week as well as the branch which is in progress.
[20:24] <esigolo> tester: so yes
[20:24] <tester> is this ubuntu for mobiles public? i could not find a download
[20:25] <balloons> ZDmitry, excellent. I expect to have the emulator merged next week into the sdk
[20:25] <balloons> and we'll promote it's usage even more
[20:25] <esigolo> tester: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[20:25] <esigolo> tester: please take a look
[20:26] <Penagwin> Guys does the device Iam porting to need to have cynogen mod 10?
[20:27] <tester> aww but on galaxy s2 it does not work so nicely.
[20:28] <esigolo> tester: i'm using nexus 4 so
[20:28] <esigolo> i'm not the best person to help you with it
[20:29] <tester> ok i gotta go buy nexus 4
[20:29] <tester> would be easiest for me
[20:29] <ZDmitry> balloons, yeah. Now I'll go. Have a good weekend!
[20:30] <balloons> ZDmitry, enjoy your weekend!
[20:30] <esigolo> tester: sorry for that i Just don't know how is it working o S II never tested
[20:32] <Noize> Screen shot with Ubunut-Touch?
[20:52] <iBelieve> popey: ping
[20:52] <stgraber> ogra_: alright, pushed all my bits to the archive, now to wait for that to build and publish, then do a no change rebuild of that other initrd package and then I should get a working rootfs
[21:16] <esigolo> ping
[21:16] <Noize> pong
[21:17] <esigolo> some wifi networks have no name
[21:24] <esigolo> trouble to import contacts [ERROR] GLib-GObject: g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[21:24] <esigolo> [INFO] addressbook: backend failed
[21:34] <esigolo> Noize: have you this error authorization failed (remote, status 401)
[21:34] <esigolo> ?
[21:38] <Noize> esigolo, where you attempting to adb into your device?
[21:39] <esigolo> no on syncrevolution
[21:39] <esigolo> syncevolution --sync refresh-from-server Google_Contacts addressbook
[21:39] <Noize> did you install update?
[21:39] <Noize> atp-get update && apt-get upgrade
[21:40] <Noize> then apt-get install syncevolution
[21:40] <esigolo> yes i did
[21:40] <esigolo> going to remove and install it again
[21:40] <Noize> no no need
[21:40] <Noize> *no, no need too
[21:40] <Noize> are you under ubuntu_chroot phablet?
[21:41] <Oranger> balloons: The last update of autopilot solve my problem with DBus, autopilot test for docviewer work fine now :) I think we see the end ! ... I hope ^^
[21:41] <Noize> esigolo are you in 'su - phablet' ?
[21:41] <esigolo> yes i am
[21:42] <esigolo> su -phablet
[21:42] <esigolo> also
[21:42] <Noize> correct email address and password?
[21:42] <esigolo> yes
[21:43] <Noize> try c/p with the last 2 commands
[21:56] <Noize> esigolo did it work?
[22:09] <Noize> Does Ubuntu-Touch support '.FLAC' ?
[22:11] <awe> Noize, my guess would be no right now, but I could be wrong
[22:11] <awe> Noize, that said, we're re-working our whole audio architecture, so I'm pretty sure it will at some point
[22:13] <Noize> ok, does the current ubuntu-music-app play currently, if so where do i need to store the music?
[22:16] <awe> Noize, I've been heads-down in telephony land, so can't really really answer...  music player is broken the non-flipped image I've been working with today.
[22:18] <Noize> ok
[22:18] <Noize> btw what's the diff between flipped and non-flipped?
[22:18] <awe> Noize, I imagine it will either have it's application dir for music and/or use a common /Music folder
[22:19] <awe> with eventually U1 support, which will make music transfer easy
[22:19] <Noize> currently under /home/phablet/Music is where i stored my files
[22:19] <awe> non-flipped == our original architecture, where Ubuntu runs inside a custom container ( similar to lxc ), and a very thin layer of Android userspace hosts the container
[22:20] <awe> flipped swaps the two, so Ubuntu is booted first, and some of the Android HAL userspace bits run inside and lxc container
[22:21] <Noize> which do you believe will be the final image?
[22:21] <awe> the plan is for flipped to become the default real soon ( sometime next week, once it's been fully validated )
[22:21] <Noize> ahh ok, that is what im currently running :)
[22:21] <awe> cool
[23:49] <Noize> not sure if this a bug, or just performance issue... While on the home screen/lock screen The notification bar is slow when selecting and dragging