[07:02] Morning all [07:09] morning [07:11] Thank any arbitrary deity for Feedly :-) [07:13] heh [07:13] * popey went for newsblur [07:13] GReader in iGoogle died today for me :-( iGoogle was my kind of "start" button for the Internet each day... [07:14] iGoogle was supposed to die ages ago [07:14] November IIRC [07:17] Hah: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/06/army-restricts-access-to-the-guardian-in-the-wake-of-nsa-leaks [07:32] firefox user unaffected [07:36] TheOpenSourcerer: yeah .. I'm still coding around the demise of Google reader [07:37] I switched to newsblur, it seems okay. [07:50] morning === christel is now known as CHRISTEL [08:06] /nick POPEY [08:08] everyone changing their nic to capitals today? [08:09] and why is that ? [08:10] Where's JamesTait when you need him? Maybe it's "Change you NIC to CAPITALS Day"? [08:10] knightwise: lol I was just having a joke, not a funny one I might add [08:10] MooDoo: i wansn't expecting that much coming from you :p [08:11] Maybe popey's cat stood on the caps lock key... [08:11] knightwise: why thank you [08:12] :) [08:13] Crap [08:13] Facebook does not appear to support updating via email for me. [08:13] that ruins some of the automated promotion scripts i had in mind [08:15] bloomin facebook, I discovered the other day that there is another place where I can see messages, apparently I've missed 5/6 job offers....sigh [08:15] job offers via fb? [08:16] mungbean: I'll rephrase, photography enquiries [08:16] my place is hiring like crazy atm, but probably best suited to junior sysadmin who wants to step up [08:16] ah [08:16] have you advertised mungbean ? [08:17] I didn't realise that there was an OTHER section in the messages bit,so missed a lot [08:17] i am not directly involved in that dept, but they advertise on jobs.ac.uk [08:17] work at a uni/school? [08:17] good morning everyone, [08:17] uni MooDoo [08:17] mungbean: nice [08:17] meh [08:17] too many munters [08:17] and numpties [08:18] interspersed with talented people who aren't listened to because they aren't contractors or project manager types [08:18] still nice to work at a uni [08:18] its getting me down a bit tbh [08:18] the eejits are taking over [08:18] mungbean: oh dear, how come? just to many numpties? [08:19] yeah [08:19] mungbean: ever read BOFH? [08:19] used to in the 90s [08:19] mungbean: there you go then, get a PFY and have a little fun ;) [08:19] there's a few old guard neckbeards like that, they are retiring now though [08:19] this sounds depressingly familiar [08:20] mungbean: which uni? [08:20] Lol , just checked that section [08:20] got some podcast listener feedback stuck in there [08:20] from 2011 [08:20] PM'd [08:20] yeah got it thanks [08:21] probably better not bee any more specifc about the problems but meh [08:22] some nice jobs there [08:22] I was reading the other day about how things are at Microsoft (I work for a large company also), and I guess this kind of thing is somewhat inevitable in a big company. === JamesTait is now known as JAMESTAIT [08:23] Good morning all, happy Friday and HAPPY CAPS LOCK DAY! :-D [08:23] yes, i've worked at a lot of companies and banks of aroudn 100-250 staff [08:24] generally the techie is the PM too and they have to deliver [08:24] and it works well [08:24] I used to work for a relatively large company, but things seemed to work well there for the most part, as it wasn't huge. [08:24] sometimes its possible to find a niche in a large company where you are fairly autonomous [08:25] my previous role in the large company manged that and was my best job ever [08:25] in support, we constantly have to justify our existence, and log time spent in some way or other [08:28] dwatkins: you at a uni/school as well? [08:37] xnox: you coming tomorrow? [08:38] Laney: you're in notts aren't you or am I going mad? [08:38] yes [08:38] you've asked me that quite a few times before :P [08:38] Laney: armed forces day? [08:38] Laney: i'm old and senile ;) [08:38] I'm asking him about https://hackntalkjune.eventbrite.com/ [08:39] Laney: /me shuts up [08:39] heh [08:40] I got annoyed yesterday with the city council's incessant tweeting about armed forces day [08:40] Laney: seems http://www.reddit.com/r/britishproblems/ is up your street [08:41] :D [08:41] I follow something like that on twitter [08:42] i am the king of british problems [08:43] the trick is it needs to be something utterly insignificant, and entirely uncommon to any other culture [08:43] like... "my digestives keep dissolving in my tea before i can eat them". that's a canonical example [08:43] There's definitely one around tasters of real ale [08:44] Try two. Hate them both. Order a pint of one anyway because you don't want to admit it. [08:44] function of weather,marmite, tea, crisps, beer prices, [08:45] mungbean, yeah, you got it! [08:45] e.g. http://www.reddit.com/r/britishproblems/comments/uw37p/i_need_to_empty_the_bins_but_its_really_rainy_out/ [08:45] gets dull after a while [08:45] i downvote all the tea ones [08:45] i liked http://www.reddit.com/r/britishproblems/comments/1fkm5t/four_shires_magazine_is_available_in_five/ that's one of my best [08:45] mainly cos i hate tea, thats a british problem in itself [08:45] it's painfully middle-class, for an extra boost [08:46] and related to http://www.reddit.com/r/britishproblems/comments/1204ii/the_only_magazines_at_the_doctors_surgery_are/ [08:51] * DJones wonders if its worth starting a petition to move Wimbledon Fortnight and Glastonbury to wintertime, every year it comes around and the uk weather turns very wet, at least if they were in winter, we'd expect the rain and it wouldn't ruin the annual 2 weeks of sunshine [08:52] Good morning peeps :) [08:52] Wah, new version of Chromium has window decorations [08:52] Fear change [08:52] DJones, +1 [09:00] Hi guys, any help would be appreciated [09:00] of one anyway because you don't want to admit it. [09:00] hmm :/ [09:00] paste fail [09:01] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5807205/ [09:01] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14543767/beautifulsoup-extracting-value-from-children-nodes [09:01] Basically, I want to extract data from that page from the span class=Label33 [09:01] And all child elements, from everywhere I read that works [09:02] But.. it only displays the first element [09:02] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5807207/ [09:03] _any_ help would be aprreciated, I've tried loads of different ways.. I either get the whole page or just the first element. [09:10] it has to be python? [09:12] jQuery! [09:13] minecraft! [09:13] oh, wrong thing [09:13] curl/php [09:13] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9515891/how-to-use-curl-to-fetch-specific-data-from-a-website-and-then-save-it-my-databa [09:15] diplo, have you tried iterating over results instead of just printing it? [09:15] diplo, it could be that it's doing something funky in __str__ [09:16] mungbean: Anything :) - will check that link [09:16] JAMESTAIT: Yep, but all I've read is it wants to know specific tags [09:17] Different pages have different results [09:17] Somebody, who isn't me, suggesting a PHP route? What is the world coming to? [09:24] diplo, actually, looking at the source for that page, there is only one span with class="Label33" [09:25] Oh, ignore me. [09:25] JAMESTAIT: who what? ;) [09:25] It's the children you're after. :) [09:25] MooDoo, shhh, you'll blow my cover. ;) [09:27] lol [09:27] Yep :/ [09:28] Laney: i'm not =( well... i can pop in for an hour between 11 and 12, but then I'm off to http://londoncommunitypride.org/ [09:29] SHOCKING! [09:29] haha, that was a surprising lead image to see :P === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [09:31] Laney: really? [09:31] yes? [09:31] No? [09:31] oh sorry I lied about being surprised [09:31] thanks for correcting me [09:31] ... [09:32] You go to a Gay Pride website and are surprised so see that image. I'm surprised by your surprise [09:34] does good still change the search bar when you type in gay? [09:34] google i meant [09:34] Yes [09:34] cool :) [09:35] MooDoo: as do 'lesbian' and 'lgbt' [09:35] wow, go away for 5 mins and the convo is not about php any more... [09:35] bigcalm: just read about it on the news the other day, think it was due to something about same sex marriage in the us or something [09:35] diplo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5807267/ [09:35] search for "tilt" [09:36] barrel roll [09:37] +do a [09:37] peppy hare has a lot to answer for. teaching kids that an aileron roll is called a barrel roll [09:38] mungbean: it even did it on my phone! [09:38] 2 different things [09:42] thank you JAMESTAIT, just locating pyquery [09:42] JAMESTAIT: are you in a shouty mood today? [09:42] bigcalm: it's CAPITAL letters day [09:43] bigcalm, did no-one tell you? [09:43] bigcalm, it's CAPS LOCK DAY! :) [09:43] xnox: looks like the weather might hold out for pride tomorrow! [09:43] ACCORDING TO MY UBUNTU PHONE WEATHER APP! [09:43] * JAMESTAIT ignores popey. [09:44] hope it's ok in Nottingham it's ARMED FORCES DAY! [09:44] Laney: they changed the image, previous one was less bewilderment "two brides, changing banner to two topless guys hugging" [09:44] MY WIFES GRANDMA CELEBRATES CAPS LOCK DAY ON FACEBOOK ALL YEAR LONG [09:45] diplo, sorry, I missed your response. python-pyquery in the archives, or pip install pyquery ;) [09:45] xnox: I don't see topless guys, just an extreme closeup of a snog (and further down, some dismembered feet) [09:45] always seems to be sex and promsicuity obsessed [09:46] Couldn't find in the archives, installed pip [09:46] ta [09:46] "Please note the following arrangements are strictly for older members of the LGBT+ community and are being provided by Opening Doors London." [09:46] hehe [09:46] anyway, I bet such things are quite a laugh [09:46] possibly in a different way to hackntalk ... [09:46] yeah, I'd expect so [09:46] hehe [09:47] i think in a few years the gay community will regret the over sexualised image that they have created [09:47] like there isn't a secualised image of straight women? [09:47] *sexualised [09:47] boobies! [09:47] mungbean: yeah, makes the whole compaign for marriage weird. [09:48] what i mean is that sexual orientation is not related to your sex and weirdness drive [09:48] Laney: yeah, they changed to a snog and I don't know why =/ [09:48] but they have created an environmnent, which TV exacerbates, that gay = camp, shagging machine [09:49] you can't fill out a 44 minute tv show with "they're identical, except they like the same sex". you gotta stress differences for ratings! [09:49] as evidenced by lurid costumes and displays of snogging on this event [09:49] get a reacttion! make money! [09:49] lots of men in small pants [09:50] that was awesomely out of context for dogmatic69 [09:50] :D [09:50] Gain weight and all existing pants feel small [09:51] anyway, the sexualization of "gay culture" is largely an aggressive push back against being marginalized, i.e. "you want us to hide who we are and pretend we don't exist, because gayness makes you uncomfortable? LOOK AT MY FABULOUS CROTCH" [09:51] ? [09:51] yes, which is what happened when kids came "out" at school [09:51] suddenly turned into innuendo machines [09:56] http://www.upworthy.com/so-sweet-high-schoolers-prove-that-equality-is-the-cutest [09:56] I want to click "I Disagree" just to see what happens [09:57] * Laney does that in a private window [09:57] heh [09:57] i always close those, they annoy me [09:57] it just dismisses it [09:58] They almost always make me instantly close the site [09:58] you thought it might berate you? ☻ [09:58] yeah, and possibly set a cookie so that you continue to get abused in future [09:59] It's like when a homeless / beggar on the street calls out to you "Do you want to make the world a better place?". I invariably say "Nope!" [10:01] what's the beggars plan? [10:01] i remember a beggar in machester i used to give to (naively) [10:01] Making the world a better place for themselves [10:02] Engage in conversation I suspect. [10:02] mungbean: begger wearing nikes? [10:02] then i saw a programme where he owned a flat, he biked to "work" and parked round the corner, and begged, earning £££ tax free [10:02] I am not judging them, I just don't like people trying to force me to have a conversation by asking provocative questions, that's all. [10:02] +1 [10:02] i blank everybody in the street [10:02] its london [10:03] :) [10:04] There's something about that place that makes me want to get from A to B as quickly as possible without interacting with the natives [10:04] i hate travel in any form [10:04] outside bethnal green there are 6 resident alcy's [10:04] i wonder where they sleep [10:05] they are like digby chicken caesar from the mitchell and webb prog [10:05] how bad would it be to boris bike from st pancras to the google place where hackntalk is? [10:05] victoria? [10:06] try it, the good thing about boris bike is you can ditch it at a slot somwehere if you wanna give up [10:06] http://goo.gl/maps/0l7UL [10:08] The route makes you go left on City Road from Featherstone Street and then u-turn. How odd [10:09] oh near old st [10:09] Join us at Google’s Campus workspace in the heart of East London’s Tech City for a day long technology unconference and workshop. This exciting venue is home to a number of high tech companies and surrounded by the startup rich environment of London’s Silicon Roundabout. [10:09] Hackntalk will be a day full of enjoyable talks, demonstrations and hacking on fun projects with enthusiastic people gathering together to share their experiences. [10:09] looks good [10:10] Silicon Roundabout. Bwuhahaha [10:10] Laney: fine [10:11] it's not hugely far, but it's not a brilliant road either [10:11] lame name investned by poltiicians [10:11] seems ok from the map [10:11] you basically go down pentonville road to old street and turn right [10:11] i saw that silicon roundabout last time i was in london [10:11] looked pretty grim to me [10:11] hipster territory [10:11] it is well grim [10:11] Sounds slippery [10:12] egads my train is at 0728 [10:25] Morning all [10:25] Happy Friday [10:26] morning davmor2 [10:28] MooDoo: tis nearly the weekend \o/ [10:30] davmor2: indeed :) [10:30] davmor2: linux install fest weekend lol [10:30] Morning davmor2 === joshmyers is now known as bubu [10:33] MooDoo: oh that sounds fun :) [10:37] davmor2: fed up with the SGS3 freezing so frequently, I'm going to send it back to t-mobile for 2 weeks [10:38] bigcalm: I blame it being white ;) [10:39] davmor2: nah not really [10:40] bigcalm: I'd lend you mine for a fortnight so you could see what it's like when it works :D [10:40] ¬.¬ [10:40] want to borrow my iphone ☻ [10:40] MooDoo: oh come on it'll be fun [10:40] I'm actually going to be using my old Nokia I had sold to my Dad [10:41] Laney: that cycle ride is fine. [10:41] davmor2: yeah it will, fedora always rocks :p [10:42] MooDoo: and that's why you install Ubuntu right cause it's stable no rocking there at all :D [10:42] xnox: sweet [10:43] xnox: I expect getting lost will be a bigger problem than the roads themselves [10:43] davmor2: fedora is stable too, don't knock it, it's just different that's all [10:44] MooDoo: you said it rocks not me ;) [10:44] davmor2: :p smart arse [10:45] MooDoo: it's sitting on the #naughtystep all the time that does I blame czajkowski [10:47] yeah yea :) [10:48] davmor2: czajkowski is always naughty according to you [10:49] czajkowski: how's the mongo stuff going? you enjoying yourself? [10:51] MooDoo: that's cause it's always czajkowski that tells us to go to the naughty step :) [10:52] davmor2: well i think czajkowski is lovely :p [10:52] czajkowski: everyone on ubuntu/debian is waiting for https://jira.mongodb.org/browse/SERVER-8886 to be resolved =) than we can have "normal" mongodb in the archive with ssl support ;-) [10:54] xnox: just assign the bug to czajkowski and ask her everyday if she has fixed it ;) [10:55] * davmor2 braces himself for the impend wallop [10:55] davmor2: the assignee is correct. I'd wish czajkowski could make it part of the 2.4.5 & 2.5.0 releases, instead of .6 and .1 ;-) [10:55] impending even [10:55] xnox: :) [10:56] did you think we would stop annoying you about $work stuff on $non-work channels? =))))) [10:57] xnox: That sentence is too long, you can cut it before the about :D [10:58] * davmor2 hugs czajkowski [11:00] davmor2: careful, she'll wallop you [11:00] xnox: you asked in #mongodb [11:01] czajkowski: nah, they all hate me =) [11:03] I do love jira though [11:04] you're weird [11:04] ;-) [11:07] hello [11:07] :) [11:13] Is there a trick to get paste.ubuntu.com to syntax highlight PHP code? [11:13] wow..."Though Windows 8.1 Preview ships with the optional $10 Media Center pack (and its DVD-playing capabilities) installed, Microsoft has still given no indication that the release version will restore the ability to play DVDs. And you can't even install the Media Center pack unless you're running the $200 Windows 8 Pro, which costs $80 more than the vanilla version of Windows 8" [11:14] Step away from Windows and everybody gets to live [11:14] happy lives [11:15] mungbean: doesn't work for en-GB users without having to manually install it, then it's a 2.5 gb download [11:15] and tweak stuff === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [11:16] or VLC === Pendulum_ is now known as Pendulum [12:20] anyone know why the system monitor does not have the 'system' tab anymore? [12:21] it was scary and complicated! [12:26] it gave people the fear [12:40] are the spec.org results per core or a sum over all cores [12:41] (i think its the latter) === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [13:17] Could one of the Americans in the channel send me the SHA-256 fingerprint of the google.com SSL cert? [13:17] Not sure how to get hold of it from the UK when google.com always redirects to google.co.uk [13:21] I get redirected to google.ie, but it asks if I want to continue using google.co.uk [13:21] I'm in the UK but my internets go through Dublin. [13:22] you can override the redirect [13:22] https://www.google.com/?hl=en-US should do it === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [13:31] ta [13:31] teamwork [13:31] highfive o/ [13:32] \o win [13:32] \o misses [13:33] Anyone heard of Troxo software? [13:34] The background is that we spotted that a server was connecting to a particular IP address a lot [13:34] https://176.221.86.38/ [13:34] So, the plain page is "Database error" [13:35] Then it was a 302 redirect to google.com [13:35] http://www.atomia.com/ [13:35] them [13:35] * awilkins wonders why this crap is on our server [13:36] The "SYSTEM" process (basically the kernel) was connecting to an HTTPS port on their secure server [13:36] (This is a Windows box, apologies for the taint) [13:36] Their HTTPS port was handing out the cert for google.com for a while today [13:37] nice [13:37] And their plain port was redirecting to google.com [13:37] To me it just smacks of rootkit [13:37] awilkins: Shut down, everything. [13:38] "IISPassword by Troxo is the add on for Microsoft IIS which password protects contents without using system user accounts. " [13:38] Yes, we seem to have that [13:39] It's .htaccess for IIS by the look of it [13:39] that's what that address is giving me; an expired cert for secure.troxo.com [13:40] expired in 2010 :/ [13:40] the company got bought by the look of it [13:40] so they probably lapsed as they moved over to their new domain at atomia === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [13:44] This all stimulated by a sudden flurry of warnings from our server monitoring which keeps deciding our web servers are down [13:45] I'm guessing this is because the monitor is in a different datacentre to the web servers and the network has it's knickers in a twist, because they are all vsible from the Greater Internet [13:45] But networks said "Hey, that server keeps trying to connect to but we're blocking that at the firewall" [13:46] 5 of us in the office, nobody spoken for 1 1/2 hours...peace :D [13:46] \o/ [13:46] makes a change from the last office i just moved from which was like a pub [13:47] 1 of me in the house, nobody has spoken for 7 hours [13:47] the guy who sits next to me hums randomly, he doesn't even realise he's doing it [13:47] I ask him to stop, he apologises, it stops for about 30 seconds [13:47] are you even dresed popey [13:47] yes ☻ [13:47] if i worked at home i would buy more pyjamas [13:48] change into the work pyjamas to start the day [13:48] get a pyjama suit [13:49] if I worked at home I'd probably get fired :/ I'm not sure it's for everyone [13:49] "The internet, where no-one knows you're sitting at home in a onsie" [13:49] http://files.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Armani-Suitjamas-2.jpg [13:50] I sometimes work from home if I have a delivery or something like that, or I'm on-call at the weekend. I try not to do it too much, in case I suddenly need to have a day at home at a moment's notice. [13:50] * awilkins is at home pounding out CHVRCHES on YouTube [13:50] I'm in a shared office, listening to Epic Trance on my phone. [13:50] http://www.di.fm/ [13:50] I just get all my deliveries sent to work these days. works out much easier [13:51] Most of my deliveries go to work, yeah. [13:51] * mgdm is in a large open-plan office with headphones on and (currently) Orbital [13:51] unless it's something I really don't want to lump home, since I walk [13:52] We're not allowed to send personal deliveries to work.. Silly, innit. [13:52] the guy who hums suggested I listen to http://coffitivity.com/ (people talking in a coffee shop) but it's worse than hearing humming quietly [13:52] http://rainymood.com/ is quite nice [13:52] does he hum because he is wearing headphones [13:53] Pink noise generate app [13:53] 3d gun printing app [13:53] dwatkins: is there meant to be audio with that video? [13:53] dwatkins: that's insane [13:53] * bigcalm kicks Chromium [13:54] bigcalm: which video? [13:54] dwatkins: your last link [13:54] No audio in Chromium, works in Firefox [13:54] oh sorry, didn't think of rainymood as a video, but yes - it has audio (the sound of rain, naturally) [13:55] I think you can turn on music as well at the bottom [13:55] clementine has rain or hypnotoad [13:55] I recall there being a utility to create sound scapes [13:55] almost had a heart attack when i engaged hypnotoad and my speakers were on full [13:55] never again [13:56] that website has a link to their iOS app which plays rain sounds, they also have one which plays white noise [13:56] I've just found some rain mp3s I recorded a few years ago. http://lazygnome.net/rain/ [13:57] * MartijnVdS has a CD with two thunderstorms from the 1980s [13:57] Funnily enough, I recorded those on my iRiver :D [13:57] There are some good (and some terrible) recordings of rain on youtube. [13:57] \o/ [13:57] my iriver got nicked :( [13:57] bah [13:58] but i got a cowon iaudio instead \o/ [14:28] You have to install the "evil" media pack for Chromium to get all the codecs, don't you [14:28] Vine didn't work until I did that [14:29] I have a really old 1GB iRiver flash player I use for workouts [14:35] * popey hugs his iRiver iHP-140 [14:36] is that the brick? [14:36] think thats what i had [14:36] black coloured thing with joysick on the front [14:36] with a remote control that did more than most mp3 players [14:36] well, the bloody stupid auto-update "zombie trojan" windows service episode has eaten 3 hours of my day [14:36] and optical in [14:37] and out [14:37] the cowon iaudio is an excellent replacment though, only 16gb flash but amazing battery [14:37] Auto-updaters that run as the SYSTEM account - Bad and Wrong [14:37] Windows suffers so much from not having a proper package manager [14:38] all the hassle we get from our Security team can essentially be traced back to running web apps on IIS because it's such a massive PITA to keep up to date with security fixes for everything in the stack that we don't actually do it [14:39] * awilkins shakes the ra-ra pom-poms for Linux [14:40] Or even running apps on Apache for Windows === feisar is now known as Guest97365 [15:17] Browse the pics - it's hilarious http://www4.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201306277521344 [15:17] don't get it === Guest74007 is now known as Monotoko [15:18] MooDoo: watch the number plates and how citroen becomes a peugeot [15:18] Nor I [15:18] Ah [15:18] yes [15:19] ah lol [15:33] In case there are any PHP devs in here looking for a change, we're hiring: http://hackerjobs.co.uk/jobs/2013/6/28/siftware-senior-php-developer-remote-working [15:34]