[00:00] <CorruptedHelix_> Back.
[00:00] <CorruptedHelix_> Damn ghosts.
[00:00] <Ari-Yang> CorruptedHelix, graphics are back to normal?
[00:00] <CorruptedHelix_> Okay, that worked, my eyes are no longer bleeding
[00:00] <CorruptedHelix_> Which means, yes
[00:01] <Ari-Yang> nice
[00:01] <CorruptedHelix_> fglrx was the cause of GNOME 3 defaulting to GNOME 2, as well.
[00:01] <Ari-Yang> yeah, fglrx is good for gaming, but 2d acceleration is horrid compared to the open source drivers (what you're using now)
[00:01] <CorruptedHelix_> Honestly? Ubuntu is a great operating system, and I love the feel of it, but it's a pain in the ass at times like these.
[00:02] <Ari-Yang> CorruptedHelix_, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTM5NjE you mind find that interesting to read
[00:02] <CorruptedHelix_> My computer doesn't have proper support and Ubuntu doesn't have support for my USB headset. You can also say Plantronics doesn't support Ubuntu.
[00:02] <litepool> http://i.imgur.com/Id5rq8P.png look at this screenshot, i have no idea where the load is comming from
[00:02] <wilee-nilee> CorruptedHelix, Bro this is support not therapy.
[00:03] <CorruptedHelix> Mind sending me that link again?
[00:04] <DuPe> litepool: install mytop ?
[00:04] <Ari-Yang> @ CorruptedHelix http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTM5NjE
[00:04] <CorruptedHelix> Okay, thanks.
[00:04] <Ari-Yang> you should also join #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:04] <Ari-Yang> cuz what I linked is kind of off topic....
[00:05] <bitcoin849> Howo do I avoid error "W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net precise Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY D46F45428842CE5E" when I follow the instructions at https://launchpad.net/~bitcoin/+archive/bitcoin
[00:05] <Pici> litepool: are you aware that a load of 2 on a server with 8 cores is just fine?
[00:05] <CorruptedHelix> Okay, but is the Radeon HD Mobile 4200 supported?
[00:05] <CorruptedHelix> I mentioned it to someone and was laughed at because of how outdated it even is. :p
[00:05] <litepool> pici i don't think it is, its using too much
[00:06] <litepool> dupe i installed mytip
[00:06] <litepool> dupe i installed mytop
[00:06] <zykotick9> litepool: you basically take 2 and divide by 8 - so really, your system isn't being stressed (at all)
[00:07] <nogal> reisio: hey -- just got a little hacked together solution if you're interrested
[00:07] <nogal> reisio: using lightdm
[00:07] <litepool> ok i see, however mysql seems to be stressed out i think
[00:07] <reisio> nogal: nope :)
[00:08] <DuPe> litepool: 2 isn't a problem. if you look at "vmstat" you will see why it's sitting at 2, if stuff sitting in iowait for instance, that's bad.
[00:08] <DuPe> litepool: search for mysqltuner. it's a script that will look at your mysql load and make some suggestions on how to tune it. default mysql config is very poor nowadays
[00:09] <Ari-Yang> CorruptedHelix, R600 = Radeon HD 2900
[00:09] <Ari-Yang> so yes
[00:09] <CorruptedHelix> Okay, how exactly will this work out for me, as in, obtaining it once it's ultimately ready? In an Ubuntu update? I'm a bit of a noob here.
[00:11] <histo> CorruptedHelix: obtaining what?
[00:11] <Ari-Yang> CorruptedHelix, you don't have to worry about it now. you're on 3.04, so you'd either upgrade to 3.10 (which will be kernel 3.11 I think) and the update will simply be provided for you
[00:11] <CorruptedHelix> Whichever term... The new kernel.
[00:11] <Ari-Yang> CorruptedHelix, or you can update your kernel
[00:11] <litepool> DuPe, http://i.imgur.com/OJ5Gj0h.png do you see anything criticle#?
[00:11] <Ari-Yang> and keep 3.04
[00:11] <CorruptedHelix> Might as well.
[00:12] <Ari-Yang> if you just want to update your kernel and not your distro http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[00:12] <CorruptedHelix> I don't know how to do any of this, honestly.
[00:12] <Ari-Yang> CorruptedHelix, google
[00:12] <Martijn-NL> Ubuntuhhhhhh (H)
[00:13] <Ari-Yang> CorruptedHelix, just google how to install kernel from ppa .deb files or something lol it's easier than compiling it yourself
[00:14] <DuPe> litepool: optimize table but that's actually a lot cleaner than i expcted. there's also mysqltunngprimer script that may give you better advice.
[00:14] <Martijn-NL> .. or use the software centre - click, click & finished!!!
[00:14] <mnemon> litepool: yes, you need to set the ip forwarding flag
[00:14] <litepool> mnemon works now
[00:15] <CorruptedHelix> http://linuxg.net/how-to-install-3-9-kernel-on-ubuntu-13-04-12-10-12-04-and-linux-mint-15-14-13/ I'll take it this will work, as long as I replace the steps for the 64bit version with the files from the link you gave to me?
[00:15] <mnemon> litepool: good good, no rule modifications just the sysctl enabled?
[00:15] <litepool> yeah mnemon
[00:15] <mnemon> kk
[00:18] <CorruptedHelix> Ari-Yang: http://linuxg.net/how-to-install-3-9-kernel-on-ubuntu-13-04-12-10-12-04-and-linux-mint-15-14-13/ I'll take it this will work, as long as I replace the steps for the 64bit version with the files from the link you gave me?
[00:19] <crc43> /msg NickServ hi
[00:24] <zipy> i tried to run tor + privoxy + squid 3 with this instructions: http://evilzone.org/anonymity/setup-your-own-proxy-with-squidprivoxytor-on-debian-like-distros-%28tutorial%29/ but after step 10, when i want to start squid3 "with squid3 -z" i get this error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5805967/ can someone help me? i changed my squidconf now to: pastebin.com/D1Jx4SHM and get this error now: http://pastebin.com/JZdfKNTf
[00:34] <IC73>    
[00:34] <pupit> hi all. how tro reset root password ? passwd command not found.
[00:35] <reisio> pupit: really? locate passwd
[00:36] <Amr_> ?
[00:36] <Amr_> hello
[00:36] <pupit> reisio, there is no passwd command
[00:36] <Amr_> i need your help
[00:36] <jgmdev> /usr/bin/passwd
[00:36] <Amr_> can anyone help?
[00:36] <zipy> http://pastebin.com/JZdfKNTf <-- does someone know what this means?
[00:36] <pupit> jgmdev: nope
[00:36] <reisio> pupit: that's unlikely
[00:37] <reisio> pupit: 'locate passwd' is a command, btw
[00:37] <reisio> Amr_: no, but many can
[00:37] <pupit> in recovery mode, trying to reset it
[00:37] <saiarcot895> Amr_: just ask what you need help with
[00:37] <Amr_> who can?
[00:37] <OiCory> Hey guys, general linux question. I'm on a differenct version of linux. and 1 have 2 hdds, one for /home, and one for everything else. So if I install another distro, home will be uneffected correct?
[00:37] <saiarcot895> Amr_: if someone can help, they'll respond
[00:37] <bazhang> dice-man____, ##linux
[00:37] <OiCory> as long as I dont format or do anthing dumb with my /home hdd right?
[00:37] <bazhang> OiCory, ^
[00:38] <bazhang> sorry dice-man____
[00:38] <pupit> reisio, why would i use 'locate' when im in recovery mode with user root?
[00:38] <Amr_> ok sure when i try logining in with my account to the store it says the authentication failure, why is that?
[00:39] <reisio> pupit: because you want to _locate_ something
[00:39] <saiarcot895> OiCory: my guess is that it won't, but you might have extra unnecessary files or missing files (that will probably be created upon first use)
[00:39] <pupit> facepalm
[00:39] <saiarcot895> Amr_: store?
[00:39] <Amr_> the place that you can download apps from
[00:39] <jgmdev> pudim, maybe you have to mount some partition
[00:40] <jgmdev> pupit *
[00:40] <pupit> jgmdev: it is mounted
[00:40] <Carlinhos> qt applications are in my local language even though i set english as the system language. how can i fix this? everything else looks good, only apps like clementine and smplayer act this way.
[00:41] <jgmdev> ls /usr/bin/pass*
[00:41] <Amr_> i mean software center
[00:42] <jgmdev> pupit,  if it is not on that location then maybe you accidentaly deleted
[00:42] <jgmdev> and I'm not sure apt-get can solve that
[00:42] <jgmdev> maybe some apt-get install base-something
[00:43] <jgmdev> anyway you dont need to change the root password
[00:43] <jgmdev> a sudo su would do
[00:43] <Amr_> when i try logining in with my account to the software center it says the authentication failure, why is that?
[00:44] <pupit> jgmdev: nope, there is no such command
[00:44] <pupit> anyway Im off
[00:44] <pupit> thanks for help jgmdev
[00:45] <roasted> Question - am I under the correct understanding that if I have a GPT table and install using guided partitioning, Ubuntu will auto install the proper efi partitions and whatnot? I'm finding on this laptop (Lenovo X130e) that I cannot install using EFI. The only way it'll succeed is if I disable UEFI and then install... I just thought that with UEFI enabled, Ubuntu would work, but I just go into a boot loop when installed with UEFI enabled/guided
[00:45] <roasted> partitioning. Eh?
[00:45] <reisio> roasted: you probably could've found out by now
[00:46] <reisio> yeah, two hours would've sufficed
[00:46] <mrtAkdeniz> Guys I have a problem
[00:46] <mrtAkdeniz> I have a wireless mouse, and It was not working on ubuntu
[00:46] <Amr_> when i try logining in with my account to the software center it says the authentication failure, why is that?
[00:46] <Amr_> hello help please
[00:47] <mrtAkdeniz> I wrote lsusb on terminal, then un-plugged and plugged again, and wrote again.. there was a new option as "Xenta"
[00:47] <reisio> mrtAkdeniz: and?
[00:47] <roasted> reisio: doesn't seem to be any specific documentation on this particular unit
[00:47] <mrtAkdeniz> reisio, then my mouse laser started to light, and my mouse started to work
[00:47] <reisio> roasted: found out by just trying it, I mean
[00:47] <roasted> reisio: my methods that failed on this unit have been 100% identical to many others that worked fine
[00:47] <reisio> mrtAkdeniz: and?
[00:47] <mrtAkdeniz> reisio, I used my mouse for 1 hour
[00:47] <roasted> reisio: I've doen about 12 installs today with different options
[00:48] <reisio> roasted: :/
[00:48] <mrtAkdeniz> reisio, Then I rebooted my computer, and it is not working again, I did what i did before
[00:48] <mrtAkdeniz> But it is not working still..
[00:48] <saiarcot895> Amr_: can you log in through a web browser (or is that what you're doing)?
[00:48] <reisio> mrtAkdeniz: maybe your usb port, cable, mouse, or batteries are bad
[00:48] <roasted> reisio: UEFI only, fail. UEFI + Legacy (UEFI first), fail. Legacy only, success. That's the only way it works. BUT, Ubuntu supports UEFI, no? So, how this no work on this particular unit yet two dozen others I tested were fine
[00:48] <roasted> ?
[00:48]  * reisio shrugs
[00:48] <mrtAkdeniz> reisio, It is working perfectly on Windows
[00:48] <mrtAkdeniz> reisio, and batteries changed 2 days ago- Duracell
[00:49] <reisio> batteries changed a minute ago I'd trust, new from a package, maybe
[00:50] <reisio> roasted: afraid I don't use either Ubuntu or UEFI
[00:50] <Amr_> i can login on a web browser. no am asking about the software center when ever i try logging in with my account it doesnt work not even the ubuntu one it says the authentication failure
[00:51] <mrtAkdeniz> reisio, My mouse is everest, but in lsusb on the session before that, it said Xenta
[00:51] <withnale> I'm using rhythmbox but I've got the global appmenu at the top switched off. It works for all of my other apps I use, but not rhythmbox. Any ideas how I can get the menu? I would have expected to either have it at the top of the screen or in the window, but I'm not getting one at all
[00:51] <roasted> reisio: I'm just saying, it's peculiar that my methods with this system yields different results vs countless others. Then again, I've had nothing but a trainwreck of problems with Lenovo in general before you even introduce Linux to the mix. The good days of Lenovo are over I'm sensing, but that's a conversation for OT.
[00:52] <reisio> the good days of lenovo? Were IBM's :p
[00:52] <reisio> what's wrong with 'legacy' mode?
[00:53] <wilee-nilee> roasted, Best uefi support is on the ubuntu forums here is a link that might help, start a thread there. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295
[00:53] <mrtAkdeniz> Guys is there someone who can help me?
[00:54] <reisio> mrtAkdeniz: you're dual booting?
[00:54] <saiarcot895> Amr_: you might have to create a new account; let me look around
[00:56] <wissam_> Hi, how can i redirect the output of a command to a file and add tab in the beginning of every line of that file?
[00:56] <withnale>  ls  -1 | sed 's/^/\t/'
[00:57] <withnale> for tabbing ls output for instance
[00:58] <wissam_> wheaties466: ok thnx
[00:58] <saiarcot895> Amr_: not sure on this
[00:59] <wheaties466> no problem
[00:59] <mrtAkdeniz> reisio, yes
[00:59] <wissam_> withnale: ok thnx
[00:59] <mrtAkdeniz> reisio, Windows 7 and Ubuntu 13.04 Gnome
[01:00] <roasted> reisio: nothing is wrong with legacy mode at all. It's more of a question of WHY this particular unit isn't working whereas others are. That;s all. :)
[01:00] <reisio> mrtAkdeniz: so if you reboot right now without touching the mouse, it will work in Windows?
[01:00] <roasted> wilee-nilee: appreciate it. :)
[01:01] <mrtAkdeniz> reisio, yes
[01:01] <amr_> am back sorry dc
[01:01] <amr_> did u know how to help me
[01:01] <mrtAkdeniz> reisio, But sometimes I have to touch, because it has a battery save mod and If I don't touch for 7 seconds, it is closing itself
[01:01] <excelsiora> So I'm thinking I need some new hardware to run Ubuntu on. I don't want to blow a lot of money. I'm thinking about two things: a box I can set up at home and use for NAS, media, and bitcoin mining, and a tablet I can attach a keyboard to. Suggestions?
[01:03] <amr_> ????
[01:03] <bazhang> !helpme | amr_
[01:03] <bazhang> !hcl | excelsiora
[01:03] <usr13> excelsiora: The best computers are made by
[01:04] <usr13> ........... computer users.
[01:04] <pred_prei> anyone here running Linux/Ubuntu on a Macbook Air? I'm wondering how the trackpad drivers are doing these days.
[01:05] <mrtAkdeniz> reisio, Do u have an idea?
[01:05] <Seven_Six_Two> lol. the best computers are made by computer users? not on average. The best ones are made by engineers, and broken by users.
[01:05] <reisio> mrtAkdeniz: yeah, embrace wires
[01:05] <reisio> Seven_Six_Two: might mean 'assembled by'
[01:05] <saiarcot895> amr_: I was able to login online to the Ubuntu Single Sign-On, but not through the Ubuntu Software Center
[01:06] <saiarcot895> amr_: not sure if it was because I didn't buy anything or something else
[01:06] <mrtAkdeniz> reisio, you mean?
[01:06] <Seven_Six_Two> reisio, oh. that's a difference worth noting.
[01:06] <usercheck_> is there small app in ubuntu for write flowchart?
[01:06] <amr_> saiarcot895 i didnt understand you
 amr_: I was able to login online to the Ubuntu Single Sign-On, but not through the Ubuntu Software Center [09:06] <saiarcot895> amr_: not sure if it was because I didn't buy anything or something else?
[01:07] <Seven_Six_Two> usercheck_, yes, Draw
[01:07] <saiarcot895> amr_: Basically, I wasn't able to solve the problem
[01:07] <Seven_Six_Two> usercheck_, sorry, it's called Dia
[01:07] <reisio> yeah, dia is smaller by far
[01:07] <amr_> is there any other way i can download programs from?
[01:07] <reisio> also plenty of markup based flowcharting to be done, no doubt
[01:08] <saiarcot895> amr_: You can still download free programs through Ubuntu Software Center
[01:08] <saiarcot895> amr_: You don't need an account for that
[01:08] <usercheck_> Seven_Six_Two,  thx, i will trying review it.
[01:08] <saiarcot895> amr_: but for recommendations and buying programs, you do need an account.
[01:08] <Seven_Six_Two> amr_, you can also download from ppa's, sourceforge, git, individual's svn
[01:08] <mrtAkdeniz> reisio, Sorry, I didn't understand you.
[01:08] <amr_> it doesnt work for me i cant download anything i tried vlc and google chrome but nothing is being downloaded
[01:09] <mrtAkdeniz> reisio, What you wanted to say?
[01:09] <usercheck_> reisio, thx too.
[01:09] <reisio> mrtAkdeniz: if you want a reliable mouse, get a wired one
[01:09] <amr_> i am using ubuntu 13.04
[01:09] <amr_> i just downloaded it today
[01:09] <Seven_Six_Two> wired is the way to go. I've been using a wired logitech trackman for a decade without issue
[01:09] <saiarcot895> amr_: try opening Terminal and type in "sudo apt-get install vlc"
[01:10] <Seven_Six_Two> still the best I've ever used.
[01:10] <amr_> i cant even lsn to mp3 songs with it
[01:10] <amr_> not even videos
[01:10] <amr_> ok i will try that
[01:12] <mrtAkdeniz> reisio, why? It is working sometimes, it means there is a problem on Ubuntu, am I right?
[01:12] <reisio> Seven_Six_Two: too bad they don't still put them on laptops
[01:12] <reisio> mrtAkdeniz: it's pretty hard to say, there are so many more variables with wireless
[01:13] <mrtAkdeniz> I used Mint
[01:13] <mrtAkdeniz> They said it too, get a wired mouse...
[01:13] <mrtAkdeniz> And now using Ubuntu
[01:13] <mrtAkdeniz> They are saying it again, Is there someone who knows this OS well?
[01:14] <OerHeks> It is the special powersaving mode that is bugging, not a lot of chance to stop this.
[01:14] <reisio> even if it's a bug, and even if there's not a lot of chance to fix or avoid it
[01:14] <reisio> you should still get a wired mouse :p
[01:15] <mrtAkdeniz> Do you know someone who good at hardware on ubuntu? I want to talk with him
[01:15] <mrtAkdeniz> I don't want stop using Ubuntu for a mouse.
[01:15] <reisio> mrtAkdeniz: I think you're going to have trouble convincing people that this isn't a hardware problem
[01:16] <OerHeks> mrtAkdeniz, Fastest way to get develpment responce is to file a bug report
[01:16] <mrtAkdeniz> reisio, Is that a system problem?
[01:16] <OerHeks> and some user to confirm this
[01:17] <mrtAkdeniz> OerHeks, I did it 4 times... I opened 2 topics on forums...
[01:17] <Fanshawe> Hello everyone. An application that was working earlier today now doesn't start up. It's called 'Labyrinth', a mind-mapping tool. I think it's a problem with Python, but beyond that I'm not sure. Can someone help me get it to run? I'll post the output from the terminal in pastebin in a moment.
[01:18] <excelsiora> So what if I want to get a model that will be supported well on the cutting edge (the rolling releases?)
[01:18] <Fanshawe> Here's the terminal output when I try to run the application: http://pastebin.com/axa8wjeA
[01:19] <reisio> mrtAkdeniz: I think you're going to have trouble convincing people that this isn't a problem with your mouse, mouse receiver, batteries, usb cable, or usb port
[01:19] <mrtAkdeniz> reisio, I can say my mouse is working very well on Windows?
[01:20] <reisio> mrtAkdeniz: you can, and have
[01:21] <mrtAkdeniz> reisio, Oh god, I just plugged my phone via USB
[01:21] <mrtAkdeniz> And it is not visible on Computer
[01:21] <mrtAkdeniz> and lsusb
[01:21] <OerHeks> Fanshawe, python 2.6 is old, precise 12.04 lts uses 2.7
[01:21] <reisio> mrtAkdeniz: oh god
[01:22] <mrtAkdeniz> reisio, I think there is a problem with my usb ports with ubuntu...
[01:22] <Fanshawe> OerHeks: Thanks, I didn't consider that there might be an update. Is there anyway I can update Python without upgrading to 12.04?
[01:22] <mrtAkdeniz> reisio, Is there a problem to fix it?
[01:22] <mrtAkdeniz> reisio, my usb storage device is not working on computer, too.
[01:23] <reisio> mrtAkdeniz: how is it not working?
[01:23] <mrtAkdeniz> It is not visible on computer
[01:23] <OerHeks> Fanshawe, not sure if backports do that. why not upgrade?
[01:23] <mrtAkdeniz> Only other parts of my HDD
[01:24] <excelsiora> Anyone tried a lenovo yoga?
[01:24] <reisio> excelsiora: ask #richppl
[01:24] <bazhang> excelsiora, ##hardware
[01:25] <bazhang> dont poll here excelsiora
[01:25] <reisio> or: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22yoga%22%20site%3Aubuntuforums.org
[01:25] <excelsiora> well dangit, why not?
[01:25] <excelsiora> thanks reisio
[01:25] <Fanshawe> OerHeks: There's not enough space on my SSD to comfortably upgrade right now. I just about squeezed my current version on, it's not a process I want to repeat.
[01:25] <bazhang> excelsiora, its' ubuntu tech support not hardware selection, thats why
[01:28] <excelsiora> why does ubuntu forums use Personal Home Page technology?
[01:29] <reisio> excelsiora: what did you have in mind?
[01:29] <excelsiora> HTML5 and extjs?
[01:29] <reisio> does anyone use extjs for forums?
[01:30] <excelsiora> I don't know, I'm not that good yet.
[01:30] <reisio> I think not
[01:30] <excelsiora>  I'm using it at work, though
[01:30] <reisio> as to why they use vbulletin and not something open source, though, is a real mystery
[01:30] <excelsiora> All written in Python actually.
[01:30] <reisio> although not that great of a mystery, Canonical being a for-profit company, after all
[01:31] <reisio> excelsiora: that sounds better
[01:31] <Fanshawe> I'm still not clear why the program would run the first time, but then not upon closing and reopening. I can't really interpret the terminal output.
[01:31] <excelsiora> You bet it is.
[01:32] <excelsiora> We have a lot of linux servers, but I think they're all redhat.
[01:32] <reisio> :/ :p
[01:32] <reisio> toodles
[01:32] <excelsiora> I'd install Ubuntu on my desktop if I could
[01:33] <excelsiora> I don't know how to get cleared to do so... yet
[01:33] <wilee-nilee> excelsiora, This is support chat is at #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:33] <excelsiora> You're supporting my Ubuntu habit. :)
[01:33] <bazhang> excelsiora, take it there
[01:34] <Teh_Bucket> anyone know how to setup the widgets in compiz?
[01:34] <Teh_Bucket> i managed to add only one window at a time, can't add more than 1
[01:34] <excelsiora> ok, support this: my laptop is a Dell studio 1558, and the backlight doesn't respond to the special dimmer keys. What's up with that?
[01:35] <excelsiora> oh yeah, 13.04, 64 bit.
[01:36] <excelsiora> although the keyboard lights worked on install, go figure
[01:37] <excelsiora> When I installed 11.10, the keyboard lights didn't work, but the screen dimmer did.
[01:37] <excelsiora> Why can't hardware guys standardize?!
[01:37] <harris> ubuntu 13.04 power saving makes pc pop
[01:39] <mehwork> i don't have the command 'add-apt-repository' in my ubuntu. How can i get it?
[01:40] <newborn> try "aptitude search add-apt-repository"
[01:41] <harris> ubuntu 13.04 power saving makes pc pop
[01:41] <mehwork> newborn: i did and it didnt turn anything up
[01:41] <excelsiora> harris: what the hell are you talking about?
[01:41] <xangua> are you on server¿
[01:41] <xangua> !find add-apt-repository | mehwork
[01:42] <harris> it makes a pop noise
[01:42] <harris> its the sound card turning on and off
[01:42] <harris> how do i stop it
[01:42] <mehwork> thanks ubottu
[01:42] <excelsiora> I don't know, I've never had that issue
[01:42] <excelsiora> you have the proper driver?
[01:43] <excelsiora> I don't know all the bash commands to figure out your hardware
[01:44] <harris> fixed it
[01:44] <BAMbanda> how do I close a process similar to task manager in windows?
[01:45] <excelsiora> ?
[01:45] <newborn> is there a command like "yum provides *bin/add-apt-repository" to search packages that provides the file "add-apt-repository" on ubuntu?
[01:45] <excelsiora> BAMbanda: top
[01:45] <BAMbanda> like if something is not responding, firefox says there is a process already running and I have to close it
[01:45] <excelsiora> and kill the pid
[01:45] <BAMbanda> after top, how do i quit a specific app
[01:45] <BAMbanda> ok gotcha
[01:45] <wilee-nilee> BAMbanda, I often use killall "app" if you find the pid you can kill with that.
[01:45] <excelsiora> I think
[01:46] <BAMbanda> cool
[01:46] <excelsiora> newborn: ??
[01:47] <excelsiora> newborn: what's your error message when you try to run it?
[01:48] <OerHeks> newborn, that command is given already > aptitude search add-apt-repository
[01:49] <newborn> not works for search files in packages,it just search package name or pack description OerHeks
[01:50] <OerHeks> newborn, oh i see, dpkg-deb -I <filename>
[01:51] <excelsiora> Is it bad to use the command line to sudo apt-get update or should I just use the GUI?
[01:52] <Jef91> Anyone here know if Ubiquity in 13.04 uses python2 or 3 gtk bindings?
[01:58] <PC_> 1
[02:06] <trism> Jef91: python3 (apt-cache depends ubiquity-frontend-gtk;)
[02:16] <KriShaNsin> why is there a windows network folder under browse network? i never did a samba or nothing. this is a clean install.
[02:17] <KriShaNsin> how on a clean install, can there be a windows network folder under browse network?
[02:17] <_______________-> KriShaNsin, do you have a windows machine?
[02:17] <KriShaNsin> why cant i get Blluetooth applet to show up under startup applications even after running the sed onliner?
[02:18] <KriShaNsin> no i dont have a windows machine but my neighbors do
[02:18] <KriShaNsin> every time i try to set my pointer speed it resets back to default under system settings mouse ad touchpad.
[02:19] <bazhang> !enter | KriShaNsin
[02:19] <_______________-> KriShaNsin, perhaps you once connected to a network with a windows machine, and now your computer keeps the folder there so that it doesn't have to recreate it?
[02:19] <KriShaNsin> bazhang: they are seperate wuestions
[02:19] <KriShaNsin> *questions
[02:20] <KriShaNsin> I never connected to a windows machine . i thought i made it clear that this is a CLEAN install
[02:20] <zipy> what is the ubuntu cmd for tracert in windows?
[02:20] <wilee-nilee> KriShaNsin, That windows folder has always been there, don't worry about it. Also you want to address one issue at a time is all.
[02:20] <KriShaNsin> wilee-nilee: oh ok thanks wilee , i didnt know you were around sorry
[02:20] <wilee-nilee> ;)
[02:21] <TheLordOfTime> in the command line is there a way to launch a program and *not* have it run in an active console screen, like maybe forking to the background?
[02:21] <bps> zipy: traceroute or mtr
[02:21] <_______________-> TheLordOfTime, add " &" after the command eg "nautilus &"
[02:21] <dr_willis> TheLordOfTime:   command &
[02:21] <zipy> ty
[02:21] <TheLordOfTime> awesome
[02:21] <TheLordOfTime> thanks
[02:21] <guest11111> this the ubuntu irc channel right?
[02:22] <_______________-> guest11111, yes
[02:22] <wilee-nilee> guest11111, Support yes.
[02:22] <dr_willis> TheLordOfTime:  look for bash job controll  tutorials for details
[02:22] <_______________-> TheLordOfTime, yes, job control. ctrl-z and fg/bg are awesome
[02:22] <excalibr> Hey any idea why $XDG_DATA_HOME value is empty on Ubuntu?
[02:22] <TheLordOfTime> dr_willis:  i needed it for active command line commands, like running a specific program with a specific argument, and it doesn't need run in a script
[02:22] <TheLordOfTime> but thanks to you all :)
[02:22] <TheLordOfTime> again
[02:23] <KriShaNsin> any reason why the Bluetooth applet refuses to show up in startup applications after running the sed oneliner, (all the other startups are there just not the bluetooth)
[02:23] <zipy> traceroute 216.81.59.173 <- haha
[02:23] <fris> anyone using a php 5.5 ppa?
[02:24] <_______________-> KriShaNsin, I'm sorry, I don't know what the sed oneliner is, but does it include a log?\
[02:24] <wilee-nilee> KriShaNsin, Your computer have bluetooth on board or do you have to use a usb antennae?
[02:25] <KriShaNsin> wilee-nilee: on board
[02:25] <wilee-nilee> KriShaNsin, Hmm, I will check the web and see if I see. anything
[02:25] <guest11111> i have a lot of trouble compiling programs from source in the terminal.
[02:26] <KriShaNsin> wilee-nilee: it worked before but for some reason on this install things are acting funny, also when i installed from the live usb, i saw a little box in the left upper corner of my screen flash for a second and then the install continued.
[02:26] <nightdemon666> Ha! Joined this room using my phone :-P
[02:26] <bazhang> !compile | guest11111 have a read
[02:26] <KriShaNsin> nightdemon666: yes there are irc clients for smart phones
[02:26] <wilee-nilee> KriShaNsin, So it is not working I assume.
[02:26] <guest11111> thanks ubottu
[02:27] <KriShaNsin> wilee-nilee: bluetooth is working fine, in fact it wont stop is the problem
[02:27] <KriShaNsin> i dont use it and want it gone from panel and startup, in fact i would purge bluetooth capability if i could and knew how . is it safe? can i do it?
[02:28] <KriShaNsin> wilee-nilee: i use open ssh to communicate with my iDevices.. but i am a babe in the woods so to speak anyway.
[02:28] <wilee-nilee> KriShaNsin, This is a kill, I have not really used bluetooth much. http://askubuntu.com/questions/67758/how-can-i-deactivate-bluetooth-on-system-startup
[02:28] <ziie> #progdepre
[02:29] <nightdemon666> He he, just tickled by it :-) i just wanted to make sure i had access to this room from and android app. I like to drop by and help people from time to time.
[02:29] <KriShaNsin> wilee-nilee: i looked all over and never saw this forum page . thanks let me try this .
[02:29] <wilee-nilee> Does not appear to remove the icon though.
[02:29] <KriShaNsin> oh really? damn that icon on the panel is tdiving me nuts lol
[02:30] <wilee-nilee> KriShaNsin, You can remove bluetooth from synaptic I believe it is not dependency bound I believe.
[02:30] <KriShaNsin> oh ok so use the packet manager synaptic? let me try that a i have the packet manager installed already
[02:31] <Tapper> hey guys, n00b here, I am always on the computer and do not have a tv near me so I wanted to stay updated on news, is there any good lite news apps that show system messages and hang out in the Panel? I am on 13.04, thank you for any help
[02:31] <dr_willis> any of the pa
[02:31] <dr_willis> ackahe magn
[02:31] <wilee-nilee> KriShaNsin, I use the terminal or synaptic generally, synaptic has a hostory that is of good use if you need to go back and see what happened.
[02:31] <BruceSato> Hi, does anyone know if i can delete my old ubuntu installation and install new one direct from livestick?
[02:31] <dr_willis> grr..  silly keybord
[02:31] <wilee-nilee> history*
[02:32] <_______________-> BruceSato, yes.
[02:32] <wilee-nilee> BruceSato, Sure.
[02:32] <dr_willis> BruceSato:  format the old
[02:32] <KriShaNsin> wilee-nilee: let me try that. the cool thing about me is that i can do a clean install any time so its cool to try anything really.
[02:33] <_______________-> "package manager"
[02:33] <wilee-nilee> KriShaNsin, I generally clone my installs, and save package install lists and the repos for such occasions.
[02:33] <dr_willis> the installer asks if you want to replace  the old install  i think  BruceSato
[02:33] <jgmdev> BruceSato, the best thing is to have the /home directory mounted on a diferent partition from the / root one so reinstalling the OS does not messes your personal files and preferences.
[02:33] <wilee-nilee> and any keys for 3rd party repos.
[02:33] <KriShaNsin> wilee-nilee: out of my skillset for now but will learn that then for future conveinence etc..
[02:33] <BruceSato> i want to begin completely anew, jgmdev
[02:34] <BruceSato> no essential data on linux, im trying it to replace windows completely
[02:34] <Th0masR0ss> Can you get ubuntu without unity?
[02:34] <bazhang> !notunity | Th0masR0ss
[02:34] <jgmdev> BruceSato, then it is safe to just re-install
[02:35] <dr_willis> Th0masR0ss:  that would be  lubuntu ir xubuntu or kubuntu...
[02:35] <Th0masR0ss> dr_willis: yes ok.
[02:35] <dr_willis> or other variations
[02:36] <guest11111> Is there anybody here? I just joined.
[02:36] <jgmdev> Th0masR0ss, I would recommend you xubuntu (xfce) it resembles gnome2 a lot but it is even better (more customizable)
[02:37] <bazhang> !compile | guest11111 yes read the links
[02:37] <wilee-nilee> guest11111, To get help, a detailed description of your problem is the channel norm for help.
[02:37] <guest11111> I read it. It helped. Thank you.
[02:39] <irmbrady> Hi guys, would really appreciate some help. Trying to run a custom bash script which is using python 2.7 libraries. I am getting the following error: "expat/xmlparse.c:75:2: error: #error memmove does not exist on this platform, nor is a substitute available". Googled around but cannot really find a fix. Anyone have a clue what this could be? FYI: I have python-dev and gcc installed, current python version is
[02:39] <irmbrady> 2.7.4
[02:41] <Tex_Nick> irmbrady: if you don't get an answer here, you might try #python or #bash
[02:42] <Tapper> hey does anyone know any good news apps that just chill in the panel and auto update so I can stay current?
[02:42] <KriShaNsin> wilee-nilee: well that worked. let me reboot and see if i screwed anything important up. i removed everything except for one dependant lib. pkg. and the icon is gone. high-color-icon-trigger file was the icon i think. bbl. let me reboot now.
[02:42] <irmbrady> Hey Tex_Nick, thank you for the suggestion. Will ask the #python guys also!
[02:47] <KriShaNsin> wilee-nilee: reboot and icon is gone, everything is running ok for now.
[02:47] <wilee-nilee> KriShaNsin, Cool.
[02:47] <KriShaNsin> wilee-nilee: nah, your cool.
[02:47] <Tex_Nick> Tapper: I just googled for "ubuntu panel RSS" looks like there are a few RSS reader panel apps
[02:48] <Tapper> Tex_Nick, thank you and Im sorry I dont know what RSS is
[02:48] <Tapper> Tex_Nick, i will look into it
[02:48] <Guest27917> Can I configure screen so it can be accessed by multiple users? (Not necessarily at the same time)
[02:49] <MJ94> Can anyone help me understand why I am getting this error? I've Googled, but no solution works. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5806601/
[02:49] <MJ94> Thank you.
[02:49] <somsip> Guest27917: that's pretty much what it's for. People attached to the running instance. More than one person can attach. Certainly is that way with tmux so I'd expect the same with screen
[02:50] <KriShaNsin> i got a glitch with my mouse pointer speed settings, everytime i set it to slow, and then close that settings window, it goes back to default speed. anyone know of this issue?
[02:50] <wilee-nilee> MJ94, Works here.
[02:50] <MJ94> Huh, wilee-nilee. Odd.
[02:51] <MJ94> wilee-nilee: Do I need to be sudo?
[02:52] <irmbrady> You can try it with sudo - it will most likely resolve the issue
[02:52] <wilee-nilee> MJ94, I ran it as you did in your command, I'm on a desktop though, you are not root so not sure really.
[02:53] <MJ94> irmbrady: the bummer is, I'm not sudo certified
[02:53] <MJ94> :P
[02:54] <wilee-nilee> MJ94, Limited user might be the problem, just a guess, would not seem to matter.
[02:54] <irmbrady> That is probably why you are having the permission error :)
[02:54] <lasers> MJ94: What is ~/folderimin? Is it a symbolic link to /var/www or something similar? :o
[02:55] <MJ94> mj94@server:~/whenimbetter.com$
[02:55] <MJ94> that's the real folder
[02:55] <irmbrady> MJ94: You could try running apt-get install wordpress
[02:56] <dr_willis> ! info wordpress
[02:56] <MJ94> irmbrady: that wouldn't be the newest version, would it?
[02:56] <MJ94> !info wordpress
[02:56] <somsip> MJ94: 3.5.2 is current, so it's not far off.
[02:56] <dr_willis> you want the lastest use a ppa.  normally
[02:56] <MJ94> dr_willis: hm?
[02:57] <dr_willis> !ppa
[02:57] <MJ94> so, which way should I go about this?
[02:57] <dr_willis> use the repo version is easirr
[02:57] <James_Epp> Alright guys, got an old machine with VGA. I purchased a VGA to HDMI converter. VGA and 3.5mm goes in, HDMI goes out. I plugged the HDMI cable into my 20" Monitor, worked fine with a 1024x768 resolution. Plug it into my 42" tv and no output shows. Suggestions? Can I manually set a resolution no matter what?
[02:57] <MJ94> I'm not horribly familiar with Linux, and it's my friend's machine.
[02:57] <irmbrady> apt-get is easier. Adding a ppa then installing latest shouldn't be too much hassle. I would just do apt-get though
[02:57] <MJ94> I'll wait till he can install the latest
[02:58] <irmbrady> Just to make sure it works
[02:58] <MJ94> lasers: okay
[02:58] <somsip> dr_willis: can he add a PPA without sudo?
[02:58] <MJ94> apt-get install wordpress?
[02:58] <dr_willis> somsip:  nope
[02:58] <irmbrady> MJ94: Exactly that - you might still have persmission errors
[02:58] <irmbrady> But try anyway
[02:58] <somsip> dr_willis: 09:53 < MJ94> irmbrady: the bummer is, I'm not sudo certified
[02:59] <irmbrady> MJ94: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WordPress
[02:59] <MJ94> can't apt-get without root either
[02:59] <MJ94> er, sudo
[03:00] <dr_willis> sudo grants you root rights.
[03:00] <subman> Has Ubuntu really grown in bloat so far as to be useless on netbooks now?  I'm trying to run 13.04, either Ubuntu/Lubuntu/Xubuntu and it just crawls and locks up just running Firefox!  Hard drive light never turns off.  Seems unreal.
[03:00] <dr_willis> some apps might be installable to the users home
[03:01] <woodensoul> Hello. I'm looking for some help with a problem I recently encountered using Lubuntu 13.04.
[03:01] <Dougie187> Can anyone point me to instructions for building a .deb for a library?
[03:01] <appleoneonone> Hello?
[03:01] <Dougie187> I'm trying to follow this: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/01/how-to-create-deb-package-ubuntu-debian.html and it seems a bit... incomplete.
[03:02] <woodensoul> I set it up as a file server and all was well for a couple weeks.  But now when booting up, I just get the Lubuntu loading screen and then a black screen with a blinking cursor.
[03:02] <appleoneonone> can someone explain to me why I can't talk on this channel on my laptop?
[03:02] <appleoneonone> Can anyone check to see if I'm muted on my IP address or anything
[03:02] <appleoneonone> I'm having problem after problem, and trying to get very important work done, and for osme reason I was muted a few days ago for no reason
[03:02] <Pici> appleoneonone: what nick?
[03:02] <appleoneonone> any nick
[03:03] <sdfsdfsdfsdfsdf> kkk
[03:03] <Corey> appleoneonone: It seems you're not quieted now.
[03:03] <tuxchow> Help needed. I cannot see my win8 partitions under ubuntu
[03:03] <Corey> So, "be happy?"
[03:03] <subman> sdfsdfsdfsdfsdf, no klan allowed
[03:03] <appleoneonone> nick apple111
[03:03] <appleoneonone> It keeps telling me I'm unable to send to the channel
[03:03] <irmbrady> appleoneonone: Many channels require you to register your nickname with NickServ to talk
[03:03] <tuxchow> Neither can my grub find my win8 partitions
[03:04] <Pici> appleoneonone: that nick isn't in this channel.
[03:04] <appleoneonone> The problem I'm having is that when I su in the term, after just installing 13.04 64bit on my laptop, that its saying it the wrong password
[03:04] <olskolirc> what was the last lts please?
[03:04] <Corey> appleoneonone: sudo, not su
[03:04] <Pici> appleoneonone: if you're using the webchat, you cannot change your nick after you join. You'll need to part and re-entry if you do that.
[03:04] <Corey> !lts | olskolirc
[03:04] <subman> olskolirc, 12.04
[03:05] <appleoneonone> Its apple9
[03:05] <wilee-nilee> tuxchow, in the terminal sudo fdisk -l and pastebin all the text.
[03:05] <wheatthin> tuxchow, make sure your windows 8 partition is mounted before trying to modify grub
[03:05] <appleoneonone> that just join the channel
[03:05] <appleoneonone> it keeps saying its unable to talk
[03:05] <Corey> 20:05:19 -!- Irssi: Quiet against *!*@gateway/web/freenode/* matches apple9!185cb05e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.92.176.94
[03:05] <appleoneonone> apple9:
[03:05] <olskolirc> !ubottu backbox
[03:05] <Corey> appleoneonone: Use a real client, it won't be an issue. :-)
[03:05] <olskolirc> thanks
[03:06] <tuxchow> wilee-nilee, i m sorry but fdisk -l didn't give any output
[03:06] <appleoneonone> I just install linux mint 15, and then when I restarted it, after using it perferly fine yesturday, it freezes upright when I boot up
[03:06] <wilee-nilee> tuxchow, How did you install ubuntu?
[03:06] <tuxchow> wheatthin, i only have sda sda1 sda2 sda5 under /dev/ directory
[03:06] <Corey> appleoneonone: Mint is unsupported here.
[03:06] <tuxchow> wilee-nilee, I burnt the iso into my pendrive
[03:06] <somsip> !mint | appleoneonone
[03:06] <appleoneonone> So I decided to install 13.04 since I already had it on a flash drive and trying to hurry up and submit a paper before 12, which is in less then an hour
[03:07] <appleoneonone> The problem isn't linux mint, the problem is now ubuntu since thats what I just ibnstalled it on
[03:07] <subman> Is there a more advanced channel for Ubuntu?
[03:07] <somsip> appleoneonone: so what is the problem?
[03:07] <wheatthin> tuxchow, make sure your connections are connected properly, then check again
[03:07] <appleoneonone> when I su, it comes back "Authentication failure
[03:07] <tuxchow> wheatthin, ehmm... do you mean the connection of my hard drive?
[03:08] <k1l> dont su
[03:08] <wheatthin> yeah
[03:08] <wheatthin> use sudo
[03:08] <irmbrady> appleoneonone: use 'sudo'
[03:08] <appleoneonone> But why doesn't su work?
[03:08] <wilee-nilee> subman, for addressing what?
[03:08] <dr_willis> appleoneonone:  what are you trying to do wuth su
[03:08] <marawan2> hello just making a quick pol
[03:08] <wheatthin> appleoneonone, it's cause it's password is randomly generated
[03:08] <SuperLag> I have a pair of external displays at work, and a different pair at home. I have a separate xrandr config file for each, because the work display are both oriented vertically. Is there a way to have the system automatically know which file to run, when I plug it into the dock?
[03:08] <Kuroshita> If I setup ubuntu server to only run tiny tiny rss, ejabberd and owncloud will 512MB of ram suffice?
[03:09] <k1l> su is not the ubuntu way
[03:09] <somsip> appleoneonone: just use sudo. Or if you have to get into a root shell, sudo -i
[03:09] <appleoneonone> So where can I find this randomly generated password? I thought it was just the one I setup when I installed the system
[03:09] <wheatthin> appleoneonone, DON"T use SU
[03:09] <irmbrady> appleoneonone: 'su' switches to a different user
[03:09] <appleoneonone> I'm tyrin to use su
[03:09] <appleoneonone> because
[03:09] <bencc> I've installed libav-doc. where on my filesystem I can find the docs?
[03:09] <k1l> appleoneonone: the password is your user password
[03:09] <marawan2> do you guys thing google chrome is better or firefox?
[03:09] <irmbrady> appleoneonone: 'sudo' runs in root permission
[03:09] <bencc> or should I browse them with a tool?
[03:09] <dr_willis> you DONT use su to gain root rights
[03:09] <wheatthin> appleoneonone, please don't be ignorant, don't use sU
[03:09] <appleoneonone> when I sudo apt-get update, it comes back E: Could not get lock var/lib// blah blah blah
[03:09] <dr_willis> on ubuntu
[03:09] <wilee-nilee> !better > marawan2
[03:09] <tuxchow> wheatthin, the output is here: http://pastebin.ca/2410323
[03:09] <appleoneonone> Unable to lock the administration directory
[03:10] <SuperLag> dr_willis: that doesn't make sense...
[03:10] <k1l> appleoneonone: close other programs that use the package repos
[03:10] <wheatthin> tuxchow, ok, it's there, just not mounted
[03:10] <SuperLag> dr_willis: I do it that way, on a daily basis. My coworkers do it that way on a daily basis.
[03:11] <dr_willis> SuperLag:  yes it does.  yiu can su to other users.  not to root on a default ubuntu setup
[03:11] <appleoneonone> the only programs I had up is firefox and google chrome
[03:11] <appleoneonone> but apperantly now after closing them out, it works, any reason why?
[03:11] <tuxchow> wheatthin, I am sorry but... isn't it very strange that i dont have sda3,4 in the list?
[03:11] <SuperLag> dr_willis: Oh. that's why one of the first things I do is "sudo passwd root".... so I can do just that.
[03:11] <subman> wilee-nilee, advanced performance issues
[03:11] <appleoneonone> is firefox or chrome suppose to not allow me to sudo-apt-get upgrade/update
[03:11] <SuperLag> dr_willis: However, I'm not your average user, and I know how not to screw things up :)
[03:11] <wheatthin> appleoneonone, using any program in the userspace of root, can allow privelege escalation with the programs in memory
[03:12] <dr_willis>  SuperLag  famous last words
[03:12] <irmbrady> appleoneonone: What are you typing exactly? 'sudo apt-get update' is supposed to be ran by itself
[03:12] <wheatthin> tuxhcow, Umm did you make extended partitions?
[03:12] <Tex_Nick> appleoneonone: you might have a look at this when you get some time ... http://www.howtogeek.com/111479/htg-explains-whats-the-difference-between-sudo-su/
[03:12] <appleoneonone> okay thank you wheatthin
[03:13] <SuperLag> dr_willis: *shrug*... I work in *nix systems on a *daily* basis, and most of them have no sudo even installed, so su - is your only option.
[03:13] <wilee-nilee> subman, This is ubuntu support not any more advanced on freenode but ones specialized
[03:13] <tuxchow> wheatthin, i am not sure. I just follow the win8's default settings
[03:13] <kelly> guys I have ubuntu 12.04 , it is really slow when surfing the web. I'm using wired connection
[03:14] <wheatthin> tuxchow, well then you wouldn't have those extended partition values in your partition listing
[03:14] <subman> wilee-nilee, I don't know what that means
[03:14] <Seven_Six_Two> kelly, is anything else slow? How many computers share your internet connection?
[03:14] <wheatthin> sdb is your windows partition
[03:14] <tuxchow> wheattin, sdb is my pendrive
[03:14] <appleoneonone> crypt, I slelected that when I set it up, is there isn't reason to install this?
[03:14] <kelly> only me , i tried PCLinuxos it's good
[03:15] <wheatthin> tuxchow, actuall /dev/sdb1
[03:15] <appleoneonone> Does it make it so where anyone who had my hdd would be unable to hack into it and get my files?
[03:15] <wilee-nilee> subman, Run the channel search in your client to see channels and look. This is off topic otherwise.
[03:15] <wheatthin> kelly if you want to compare os's use #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:15] <appleoneonone> and can it be hacked into, or is it pretty much impossiable to use it?
[03:15] <Seven_Six_Two> kelly, do you download anything? bittorrents?
[03:15] <kelly> no
[03:15] <tuxchow> wheatthin,  sdb is my pendrive
[03:15] <Seven_Six_Two> kelly, do you have a wireless router?
[03:16] <kelly> yes i have , alfa wireless
[03:16] <subman> wilee-nilee, maybe I misunderstood you.  I'm looking for more advanced Ubuntu help.  Is this available?  How is this offtopic?  If not available then no is the answer.
[03:16] <wheatthin> tuxchow, Hmm how many physical drives do you have?
[03:16] <Seven_Six_Two> kelly, have you disabled or locked down the security on the wireless?
[03:16] <wilee-nilee> appleoneonone, Any OS basically if not encrypted can be reached easily, with a live cd.
[03:16] <tuxchow> wheatthin, I have 2 , the main drive and a pendrive
[03:16] <kelly> i don't use the wireless connection , i never tried it , i'm using wired connection
[03:17] <Seven_Six_Two> subman, what do you mean by advanced performance issues?
[03:17] <wheatthin> tuxchow, seems like you overwrote your windows 8 partition then
[03:17] <Seven_Six_Two> kelly, but if it's on and not secured, anyone else could be using it.
[03:17] <tuxchow> wheatthin, i chose the option 'replace my fedora' when installing
[03:17] <irmbrady> appleoneonone:  Are you still getting the 'could not get lock error'?
[03:18] <wheatthin> tuxchow, well like I said, it looks like you overwrote it during installation, so now no more windows 8
[03:18] <kelly> sorry i don't understand u
[03:18] <Seven_Six_Two> kelly, what kind of router do you have?
[03:18] <tuxchow> wheatthin, :(
[03:18] <tuxchow> wheatthin, but i still cannot understand why sda3 and sda4 are missing
[03:19] <RJ45> Hey guys, listen, I absolutely hate the direction Ubuntu has taken since 10.10, I'm currently on 10.04, and have been hesitant to migrate, but I just can't keep on living with the lack of support, and random program crashes, anyways, I'd love to move to Debian, but Debian now has Gnome 3, and let's face it, Gnome 3's a ruddy joke, so I am now planing on disdainfully migrating to Linux Mint, as it's the only half-decent OS that comes pre-loaded wi
[03:19] <RJ45> th Mate (a better fork of Gnome 2) available right now.  ...anyways, I was wondering, just in-case something goes wrong, is it easy and safe to boot from a Live USB, 'dd' my Hard Drive to a .IMG file?, and would it be easy to restore my Hard Drive to its previous state (with Ubuntu 10.04) from said .IMG file?
[03:19] <kelly> Thomson TG585 v8
[03:20] <RJ45> ...my apologies for the lengthy question.
[03:20] <dr_willis> RJ45:  gnome shell has a gnome2 mode now..  making mate redundant
[03:20] <dr_willis> RJ45:  you can clone hds with dd.  yes.
[03:20] <Seven_Six_Two> kelly, pm me
[03:20] <RJ45> dr_willis: I can't find any setting like that in Debian!
[03:20] <subman> Seven_Six_Two, well beyond the regular installation issues, I don't seem to be able to get any reliable performance out of Ubuntu since about 10.04 on my netbooks.  Even the 'lower resource' lubuntu and xubuntu.  All seem to just drive my HD crazy running just Firefox and Gmail/Google Docs/Google News!
[03:21] <Seven_Six_Two> subman, that sounds like a memory limitation, which eats in to swap.
[03:21] <RJ45> dr_willis: plus when I tried the new Debian, it reverted to fall-back anyways, somethin' 'bout graphics error.
[03:21] <dr_willis> RJ45:  latest gnome shell has a gnome2 mode.  on ubuntu 13.04
[03:21] <Ben64> RJ45: if you don't like gnome3, don't use gnome3, there are plenty of other options
[03:21] <dr_willis> RJ45:  i dont do debian.  its not ubuntu
[03:22] <Seven_Six_Two> subman, use "top" to monitor resource usage, and remove unnecessary bits one at a time.
[03:22] <RJ45> dr_willis: it's not just the really shit new version of Gnome that has made me now hate Ubuntu. ..it's other evil stuff too.
[03:22] <xangua> !language | RJ45
[03:22] <dr_willis> RJ45: rant elsewhere.  we are support here.
[03:22] <subman> I have, it is common bits.  Firefox draws a ton.  The update manager does.  Everything takes up huge resources
[03:23] <dr_willis> debian support in #debian
[03:23] <RJ45> brb, gotta take a SHIT!  :P
[03:23] <subman> Seven_Six_Two, it all seems fine with a fresh boot then things get worse from there.  Just like Windows.  You have to reboot every 12 hours or so
[03:24] <Ben64> dr_willis: well that sure was productive :|
[03:24] <dr_willis> yep
[03:24] <wheatthin> lol that's really ignorant when they want to curse, are told not to, and do anyways
[03:25] <usr13> Ben64: "evil stuff"?  Really?
[03:25] <Ben64> amazon most likely.. too bad he didn't just ask how to remove it instead of ranting
[03:26] <tuxchow> :(
[03:26] <usr13> Ben64: ... rather melodramatic don't you think?
[03:27] <Ben64> dr_willis: so how do i activate gnome 2 mode in raring?
[03:27] <wheatthin> use classic
[03:27] <Ben64> dr_willis: i have it in virtualbox and the desktop never shows up
[03:28] <dr_willis> is that 13.04?
[03:28] <Ben64> yeah raring = 13.04
[03:28] <tuxchow> wheatthin,  i seems you are right ... sda1 sda2 sda5 add up to the size ofmy hard drive
[03:28] <wheatthin> ben64 I've found that you have to install gnome-shell and then select gnome-classic
[03:28] <dr_willis> use the latest gnome shell ppa
[03:28] <subman> Well tomorrow is another day I guess.  Good night folks.l
[03:28] <usr13>  Ranting?  Let's not and say we did.  Please...
[03:28] <dr_willis> i recall
[03:28] <Ben64> oh, it seemed like you said it was built into 13.04
[03:29] <dr_willis> latest gnome ppa is only for 13.04
[03:29] <wheatthin> ben64 have you tried using gnome-shell gnome 3?
[03:29] <dr_willis> i belive
[03:29] <wheatthin> it's really easy on the system
[03:30] <Ben64> this one? https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3
[03:30] <wheatthin> yup
[03:30] <dr_willis> ive not messrd with this in ages.  it may be for othger releases now
[03:31] <wheatthin> that's what's great about ppa's they advance as the releases do
[03:31] <Ben64> well its a vm, so i don't care if it breaks anything
[03:31] <Ben64> i install all the newest ones so i know i'm not missing anything by sticking to 12.04
[03:31] <wheatthin> ben64 it's not specific
[03:32] <wheatthin> same ppa for both 12.04 12.10 and 13.04
[03:33] <subman> As a side note, I saw the interaction between the group here and RJ45.  Even though he was out of place with language and etiquette, it does not bode well to speak of that in an ill manner after he/she has left.  Everyone will then wonder if that happens after they leave.  Just an observation, take it for what you care to.  I just think those comments should be left out.
[03:33] <usr13> You run Ubuntu in VM?  Under win7? win8? ________________?
[03:33] <xangua> wheatthin: not the same gnome version for every release
[03:33] <usr13> Ben64: XP?
[03:33] <Ben64> usr13: ew. under 12.04
[03:33] <wheatthin> xangua, no.. it updates as you update.. same ppa source tho
[03:34] <usr13> Ben64: You run 13.04 under 12.04?
[03:34] <Ben64> yeah, and 13.10
[03:34] <usr13> Ben64: Ok.  That's interesting...
[03:34] <Ben64> thats whats good about virtualbox
[03:34] <usr13> Ben64: Yea VB is pretty cool.  I agree.
[03:36] <kelly> Seven_Six_Two : back
[03:43] <subman> Wow, my comment drew a lot of silence.  At least from how I'm seeing it.
[03:45] <asharas> Hi all! I can't X11Forward even if I allowed X11 Forwarding. Works with windows and putty but not with my laptop, I get gtk warnings
[03:46] <cgtdk> asharas: I probably can't help you, but try posting the warnings.
[03:46] <whoever> asharas: asharas if it works with putty , what is different about laptop
[03:47] <asharas> the laptop works with ubuntu server
[03:47] <whoever> asharas: is the laptop wireless, and the desktop wired
[03:47] <asharas> I have one server and two laptops, one with win7&Putty, the second with ubuntu server
[03:47] <asharas> works for win laptop but not ubuntu laptop
[03:47] <whoever> asharas: wat is your hardware setup
[03:48] <asharas> whoever: hardware setup?
[03:48] <whoever> asharas: you are trying to send your windows desktop to ubuntu, or send your ubuntu desk top to windows
[03:48] <asharas> no no
[03:49] <whoever> asharas: ie: desktop running windos, linux, wired, wireless
[03:49] <asharas> a gui application to my laptop screen
[03:49] <asharas> let me explain better
[03:49] <whoever> asharas: are you tring to do this on the LAN or from WAN
[03:49] <asharas> LAN
[03:50] <asharas> connecting via ssh on my server (ubuntu) from my laptop (ubuntu), trying to launch, i.e, wireshark
[03:50] <whoever> asharas: is any box wireless
[03:51] <asharas> whoever: ???
[03:51] <whoever> sse, is terminal, you can't launch a gui unless you are in a WD
[03:51] <whoever>  *WDM
[03:51] <whoever> **ssh
[03:51] <asharas> aaaah, I need to launch xfce first?
[03:51] <cgtdk> asharas: You installed a window manager on your laptop, right?
[03:52] <asharas> yup, but not running
[03:52] <cgtdk> how do you expect to run a graphical application without a graphical environment?
[03:52] <asharas> the libs are there :-/
[03:52] <madprops> there wireshark cli
[03:52] <cgtdk> you need X11 running
[03:53] <whoever> cgtdk: Thank you
[03:53] <madprops> there is a *
[03:54] <whoever> madprops: yes but asharas wants a gui or thinks he should see aone
[03:54] <roasted> When doing manual partitioning on a GPT disk, does it matter what file system the first partition is that gets the bios_grub flag?
[03:55] <whoever> roasted: no , you could  run grub on a multi boot of windows
[03:55] <roasted> whoever: uh, what?
[03:55] <asharas> whoever and madprops , it's works if connection ssh from xterm
[03:56] <asharas> but I wanted something lighter, no desktop, etc... is it possible?
[03:56] <whoever> roasted: it does not matter what fs grub is on
[03:56] <roasted> whoever: I was curious about the bios_grub partitionin particular. "boot" itself is going to /
[03:57] <whoever> roasted: then edit the active partition if it is wrong
[03:57] <roasted> whoever: I'm not sure we're on the same page. I'm simply curious if I need to have the bios_grub partition set to a specific tile system type.
[03:57] <whoever> asharas: but you were saying that "I can't get a gui "
[03:58] <cgtdk> whoever: thanks for what?
[03:58] <whoever> roasted: no you don't
[03:58] <roasted> okay, thanks
[03:59] <whoever> cgtdk: for exsplicitly telling asharas  with out x11 your not gonna see a gui
[03:59] <cgtdk> oh, that
[04:00] <asharas> yeah, now it works guys ;) but I was wondering if there was a lighter x11 server. Right now I'm using xfce but is there something lighter just for one window?
[04:00] <whoever> cgtdk: ya, i tried to explain it but he didn't seem to get it
[04:00] <cgtdk> asharas: openbox
[04:01] <asharas> thanks cgtdk
[04:01] <cgtdk> asharas: there is also lxde, which is a bit easier to use if you're unfamiliar with openbox
[04:01] <whoever> asharas: xmonadx read about it first
[04:01] <whoever> asharas: its tiling windows, you may not like it
[04:01] <cgtdk> whoever: Don't recommend xmonad to someone who didn't know that he had to have X running to run graphical software
[04:02] <cgtdk> he probably doesn't know Haskell
[04:02] <whoever> cgtdk: oh ya
[04:02] <asharas> whoever: what's tiling?
[04:02] <whoever> asharas: no stick with gnome
[04:02] <cgtdk> i3 would be a better choice for a tiling window manager, but it doesn't really matter since he only needs to show one window
[04:02]  * whoever hands asharas a windows 8 dvd :-)
[04:02] <cgtdk> ahammond: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiling_window_manager
[04:03] <asharas> no stick with gnome? :-/ sorry I don't understand what you mean
[04:03] <cgtdk> asharas: Gnome is a desktop environment like Xfce
[04:03] <cgtdk> but it's much heavier
[04:03] <cgtdk> asharas: Try Openbox if Xfce is too heavy for you
[04:03] <cptcel23> hello everyone, weird problem - just installed ubuntu on a new machine and bluetooth doesn't work at all - i've tried two different adaptors, different devices etc
[04:03] <whoever> cgtdk: yes but gotta grind somewhere
[04:04] <cgtdk> whoever: grind?
[04:04] <asharas> hum :-/
[04:04] <Ari-Yang> asharas, I'm on an i3 laptop and I'm using Enlightenment
[04:04] <cptcel23> well, actually it does everything except see other devices - bluetooth icon appears, hcidump shows activity when i scan, etc
[04:04] <cgtdk> I meant i3 the window manager, not the CPU series by Intel
[04:04] <whoever> cgtdk: its from online gaming in other words practice, hone your skills
[04:04] <Ari-Yang> asharas, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightenment_%28window_manager%29
[04:05] <asharas> I don't think you understand cgtdk : I'd like to get rid of a desktop, everything, I just want to open one window. Is it possible?
[04:05] <whoever> cptcel23: which version
[04:05] <cgtdk> asharas: Yes, openbox will do that
[04:05] <asharas> this laptop is a eeePC 701 ^^
[04:05] <cptcel23> whoever, which version of what? ubuntu is 13.04
[04:05] <whoever> and is your device paird correctly
[04:05] <cgtdk> asharas: openbox doesn't have any panels
[04:05] <whoever> cptcel23: ok, is this a laptop
[04:05] <asharas> okay, thanks guys, i'll try all this
[04:05] <cptcel23> whoever, i can't find any devices to pair - no it's not a laptop
[04:06] <frey> Hi.
[04:06] <cptcel23> whoever, i'm trying with built in mobo bluetooth, and also a bluetooth adapter (usb) i've used before with no problems on 13.04
[04:06] <whoever> cptcel23: do you see the bluetooth adapter up at the top
[04:06]  * asharas throws back the win8 dvd to whoever
[04:06] <cptcel23> whoever, yes i see that
[04:06] <asharas> this thing stinks
[04:06] <cgtdk> asharas: what thing?
[04:06] <cgtdk> openbox?
[04:06] <asharas> win8 :-D
[04:07] <cgtdk> oh...
[04:07] <whoever> cptcel23: if you right click it do you see add/ or setup new device
[04:07] <cptcel23> whoever, yes i do, and when i try it says 'scanning'.., and hcidump shows it's scanning
[04:07] <frey> How would you cache the restricted repository on a offline machine? I am creating a LiveUSB that will be used in multiple laptops, and I really need to have many WiFi drivers available.
[04:07] <cptcel23> whoever, but i have two devices i've paired with other computers before (phone and keyboard), neither shows up after ages and ages and many attempts
[04:08] <whoever> cptcel23: then you need to have your device in pairing mode(follow the bluetooth device instructions )
[04:08] <cptcel23> whoever, i know - i have done so
[04:08] <whoever> cptcel23: try removing and repairing the device
[04:08] <cptcel23> whoever, i have paired this keyboard many times, with this same bluetooth adapter, on other computers running 13.04
[04:08] <leech> hello
[04:08] <cptcel23> whoever, i can't add the device in the first place
[04:08] <whoever> cptcel23: i had that problem, and it came down to the adapter
[04:09] <whoever> cptcel23: all i can say is try other adapters
[04:09] <cptcel23> whoever, but i've tried two different adapters.. and one definitely works on anther computer with the same bt devices
[04:09] <cptcel23> whoever also running 13.04
[04:10] <guest11111> Is anybody here?
[04:10] <frey> guest11111: No?
[04:11] <cptcel23> has anyone noticed their bluetooth scanning breaking recently?
[04:12] <guest11111> Is Unity a Different desktop enviroment or a shell for gnome?
[04:12] <cgtdk> guest11111: a shell for GNOME
[04:12] <whoever> cptcel23: go with 12.10 not bleeding edge
[04:12] <cptcel23> atm i have to sit on a cold floor using my ps/2 keyboard and it's killing my back - getting bluetooth working would be really good ;)
[04:12] <cgtdk> guest11111: Although it could be considered its own desktop environment despite being a shell for GNOME
[04:13] <whoever> cptcel23:  get a chair
[04:13] <guest11111> thanks cgtdk
[04:14] <wilee-nilee> guest11111, Not correct unity is a plugin in compiz running in top of gnome 3.
[04:14] <wilee-nilee> on*
[04:16] <phix> guest11111: I am not here
[04:16] <guest11111> ubuntu releases are released every 6 months right?
[04:16] <cgtdk> yes
[04:16] <phix> hmmm I get random crash notifications poping up every now and then
[04:16] <cptcel23> whoever, thanks for that helpful tip.. is there a wiki page i can add that workaround somewhere? bluetooth keyboard isn't working - buy a chair and a ps/2? ;)
[04:17] <phix> cptcel23: Gold advice :)
[04:18] <cptcel23> well if anyone has any ideas on how to make my existing furniture compatible with ubuntu it would be super appreciated
[04:18] <asharas> cgtdk: I installed openbox but it can't run because failed to open display
[04:19] <guest11111> bye
[04:20] <jqka> bye
[04:21] <scubasteve> uh
[04:21] <cptcel23> i would also add - if i set the computer to discoverable, my phone can't detect it either, so it doesn't work in either direction
[04:21] <cgtdk> asharas: I have no idea what that means. Try querying your preferred search engine if no one else can help you.
[04:22] <scubasteve> so i thought 13.04 didnt have wubi anymore, so i downloaded 13.04 iso and... i see wubi. im confused?
[04:22] <wilee-nilee> scubasteve, Not usable though.
[04:22] <scubasteve> then why is it in the official iso?
[04:22] <asharas> already searching ^^
[04:23] <wilee-nilee> scubasteve, Just a remnant.
[04:23] <scubasteve> hm alright. i thought i maybe had the wrong version or something some how. thanks
[04:24] <wilee-nilee> scubasteve, I believe though that inspite of it not being supported a loaded 13.04 version somewhere.
[04:25] <wilee-nilee> scubasteve, http://releases.ubuntu.com/13.04/
[04:25] <wilee-nilee> bottom of list
[04:26] <scubasteve> i see ty
[04:33] <phix> ok, playing music on Rhythmbox over wireless network, it keeps stopping to buffer, can I increase buffer size in Rhythmbox?
[04:33] <luke1> hello everybody
[04:35] <felixonmars> Hi, could I find a kernel for lucid that >=3.0 and built for i386? (not i686 as the backport lts one)
[04:36] <james41382> phix: are there a lot of people with wireless networks near you?
[04:37] <wilee-nilee> felixonmars, lucid dektop is end of life and not supported, the server is though.
[04:37] <wilee-nilee> desktop*
[04:37] <felixonmars> wilee-nilee: yeah, i meant for the server
[04:37] <wilee-nilee> cool
[04:38] <felixonmars> i need 6rd thus >=2.6.35, and R6040 driver which only enabled in even newer ubuntu kernels, but the machine does not support cmov
[04:38] <phix> james41382: 3 devices on the same 802.11n router (openwrt, dlink something)
[04:39] <phix> james41382: I have decent reception, just wondering if I can increase the buffer so I get a smoother playback
[04:40] <james41382> i am not sure about increasing the buffer size with rhythmbox, but crowded channels when you are using wifi can put a damper on connection speed.
[04:41] <james41382> at least where i am there are a lot of wifi networks in my area. almost all 2.4 ghz, but 5 ghz is much less common.
[04:41] <james41382> phix: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1276124
[04:43] <phix> james41382: yeah I suppose that will work
[04:44] <asharas> cgtdk: Dude, thanks, I love openbox, ultra minimalist interface :-D
[04:45] <cgtdk> asharas: Yeah, it's nice :)
[04:46] <roasted> Hello friends. Question... I have a GPT disk with several partitions on it. 100MB (previously for EFI), 15GB Ubuntu /, 15GB Fedora /, and 200GB /home, along with swap as well. I formatted the 100MB EFI partition to FAT32 and gave it a bios_grub flag, but even after reinstalling, it didn't work. Is this setup incorrect?
[04:46] <tannji> when installing from a usb drive, should the drive being installed to be mounted, or not?
[04:47] <wilee-nilee> felixonmars, Here I believe. https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/
[04:48] <wilee-nilee> I have not loaded a kernel in awhile so not sure a tar is what works here
[04:52] <asharas> cgtdk: Beeing able to just right click to exit the DM, I love that :)
[04:56] <cgtdk> asharas: You should try a tiling window manager one day, it's even better (if you have multiple windows)
[04:56] <unintelligible_g> any way to encrypt your hardrive after youve allready installed ubuntu and windows on a drive?
[04:59] <antonio_> hey folks
[04:59] <antonio_> For some reason I cannot find my copy of virtualbox on my computer...seems like it has been uninstalled.  What can I do?
[05:01] <antonio_> the .virtualbox folder is still in my home directory
[05:01] <fyuckwack> where can I find 2-3 year old issues of playboy's special editions online
[05:02] <cgtdk> fyuckwack: stay on topic please
[05:02] <unheeding> help i need ttys back after installing nvidia drivers, when i switch to a tty, i'm able to log in, but i cannot see ANYTHING except a blinking cursor that looks like an underscore
[05:04] <wilee-nilee> unheeding, You familiar with nomodeset?
[05:04] <unheeding> the grub option?
[05:04] <wilee-nilee> yeah
[05:04] <unheeding> ;_; but my uptime
[05:05] <wilee-nilee> unheeding, Lol, really.
[05:05] <cgtdk> uptime is for people who don't like patched systems
[05:05] <unheeding>  23:05:35 up  2:48,  5 users,  load average: 0.23, 0.27, 0.31
[05:05] <unheeding> muh 3 hours
[05:06] <unheeding> ok i'll try it, see you guys on the flip side.  i won't leave the room though since i am using a bouncer. ;)
[05:06] <wilee-nilee> I'm not up on graphic drivers I have never had to load any, but I often see people from the tty fixing this.
[05:08] <dr_willis> framebuffer on the console and the nvidia drivers can fight also.  wonder if he is just on fhe wrong console
[05:08] <jony_easyrider> how can it be deleted the command history in terminal?
[05:09] <dr_willis> history command  has options
[05:10] <unheeding> dr_willis: no, i can go to tty2, log in, and see that i'm logged in with the who command
[05:10] <unheeding> but i cannot see anything except for a blinking underscore
[05:10] <unheeding> it still happens when i use nomodset
[05:11] <mnemon> jony_easyrider: history -c
[05:11] <dr_willis> weird.   as a test try installing fbterm and run that on the console
[05:11] <jony_easyrider> mnemon, can be deleted only a part of it?
[05:11] <dr_willis> !info fbterm
[05:12] <mnemon> jony_easyrider: yes.
[05:12] <unheeding> fbterm doesn't work, but i can't see the output
[05:13] <dr_willis> you dont have 2 monitors do you?
[05:13] <jony_easyrider> mnemon, how, pls?
[05:13] <unheeding> no, i just have one giant monitor 2560x1440
[05:13] <unheeding> i can paste my xorg.conf, i had to hack it up
[05:14] <unheeding> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5806835/
[05:14] <dr_willis> there goes one idea.  odd.   you could try all the old options like    "nomodeset nofb text"
[05:15] <silv3r_m00n> if i have a repository in sources.list ..... deb url precise partner ........ then i upgrade ubuntu to next version that is raring, will the repository in sources.list be upgraded to deb url raring partner ?
[05:18] <mnemon> jony_easyrider: you can do unset HISTFILE to prevent the history from being written to .bash_history, and use history -c to clear out the current volatile history(won't clear the .bash_history file) and edit the .bash_history
[05:18] <wilee-nilee> silv3r_m00n, An upgrade changes the sources.list to the upgrade.
[05:18] <dr_willis>  if it doesn't  silv3r_m00n  just fix it?  it may comment out all nonstandard  repos
[05:18] <unheeding> okay, with the option "nofb" i can now see the system output on my ttys
[05:18] <unheeding> i can still log in, but I can't see the login prompt
[05:19] <unheeding> I just see all the kernel bootup info
[05:19] <dr_willis> you see other text.  if yiu login blindly.
[05:19] <dr_willis> ?
[05:20] <unheeding> no, the text remains the same
[05:20] <dr_willis> so the _ dodent change or move down the screen
[05:21] <unheeding> no, now with nofb
[05:21] <unheeding> instead of the _, i see messages from the bootup
[05:21] <unheeding> from 0.592378 to 0.603359
[05:22] <unheeding> talking about the usb devices.
[05:22] <Guest27917> How could I extract a bunch of zip files in subdirectories to the directory they're in?
[05:22] <dr_willis> same on alt ctrl f1 through f6 also? no login:
[05:22] <unheeding> yeah all my ttys are like this
[05:25] <dr_willis> Guest27917:  use of the  find   command  can handle that i imagine
[05:29] <OctalGenesis> do i need to install envy in order to make my asus 4850 card to work? or are there a better way to do it
[05:30] <dr_willis> envy¿  thats been dead for years
[05:30] <wow> hey
[05:31] <dr_willis> what chipset us it ati? nvidia?
[05:31] <den> Sounds like the naming scheme or ATI
[05:31] <OctalGenesis> that's what i figured, even if it's listed in the packet manager
[05:31] <den> *for ATI
[05:32] <dr_willis> i dont recall envy in the repos
[05:33] <dr_willis> it was allways an unofficial 3rd party problematic script i recall
[05:34] <steve1> anyone successfully install zeromq on raring amd64?  I can't seem to manage it and need some guidance.
[05:34] <OctalGenesis> my bad, i searched for envy and got the user lol being up so early makes my brain lagged
[05:34] <OctalGenesis> but still, i been trying to install drivers for my card and it keeps saying i miss the tools for it
[05:34] <dr_willis> ati driverfrom the repos. or the xswat ppa. or the  .run drivers are normally  used
[05:34] <OctalGenesis> yeah, i tried use the .run drivers
[05:35] <dr_willis> you did try the repo drivers first?
[05:35] <OctalGenesis> what's repo?
[05:36] <madprops> repository
[05:36] <OctalGenesis> and it means?
[05:36] <lasers> !Rep | Oct
[05:36] <dr_willis> !ati
[05:36] <lasers> !Rep | Oct
[05:36] <lasers> Damn.
[05:36] <madprops> !repo | lasers
[05:36] <lasers> !Rep | Octa
[05:36] <OctalGenesis> spam!
[05:36] <lasers> Err. Something is changing from repo to rep.
[05:37] <madprops> what
[05:37] <dr_willis> means you dident try the addational-drivers tool  FIRST  sounds like
[05:37] <lasers> madprops: Nothing. "Damn AutoCorrect" thing.
[05:37] <OctalGenesis> let's say i installed the os and used the drivers for that one if that's what you asking
[05:37] <dr_willis> lasers:  on a smart phone? ;-)
[05:38] <OctalGenesis> but i wanted to be able to aticonfig for the fan and i couldn't
[05:38] <lasers> dr_willis: Nope! I don't know what's changing it so I'm investigating it now. :)
[05:38] <OctalGenesis> so that's how it all started
[05:38] <dr_willis> OctalGenesis:  install. run addational-drivers tool.. let it install the drivers
[05:38] <OctalGenesis> how do i do that?
[05:39] <dr_willis> that ! ati  url showed how u think
[05:39] <dr_willis> !ati
[05:39] <OctalGenesis> ok ty, i will give it a try
[05:40] <dr_willis> uninstall the   .run  drivers first
[05:40] <SuperLag> ugh
[05:40] <SuperLag> no, not more nvidia problems
[05:40] <dr_willis> ati
[05:40] <dr_willis> :-P
[05:40] <SuperLag> just as bad
[05:40] <dr_willis> and windows  habbits
[05:40] <SuperLag> I ended up reinstalling because of nvidia issues
[05:41] <SuperLag> I have a pair of external displays at work, and a different pair at home. I have a separate xrandr config file for each, because the work display are both oriented vertically. Is there a way to have the system automatically know which file to run, when I plug it into the dock?
[05:41] <dr_willis> not had a nvudia issue in ages. butmy cards are old
[05:41] <SuperLag> dr_willis: in my case, it's a Quadro K1000M. Quite new.
[05:42] <dr_willis> hmm. some udev rule customazation perhaps
[05:42] <dr_willis> or old school.  make a script :-P
[05:42] <Mancs> how can I as a root to view the users' passwords list? its unreadable in /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow
[05:43] <SuperLag> You cannot.
[05:43] <roasted> Can someone please tell me where I went wrong with my partitioning scheme? BIOS set to legacy, GPT table on my SSD. Also, the unknown partition was formatted as FAT32 when I began the installer. What did I do wrong? It just goes into a boot loop. http://i.imgur.com/8ccltpD.png
[05:43] <SuperLag> and that sounds a lot like an attempt to hack
[05:43] <SuperLag> which you won't get help with, here
[05:44] <SuperLag> That was directed at Mancs.
[05:48] <nightfly> roasted: legacy in bios seems to imply it is expecting mbr
[05:48] <roasted> nightfly: should I leave it on UEFI in BIOS, and keep my partitioning the same?
[05:49] <nightfly> yeah, try that
[05:49] <dr_willis> Mancs:  root cant do it either i belive. its a security  thang
[05:49] <roasted> would I have to reinstall for a fair trial or would simply switching it be okay?
[05:50] <savagecroc> how do you switch mirroring off with xrandr?
[05:50] <roasted> nightfly: didn't work with just switching it
[05:50] <Mancs> so as a hacker which has a root access in my own machine i cant view the users' passwords
[05:50] <tannji> lol
[05:50] <dr_willis> Mancs:  nope
[05:51] <tannji> thats the basic idea
[05:51] <dr_willis> or your own.
[05:51] <dr_willis> one way salted encryption?  or some fancy thing i read years ago
[05:52] <Mancs> but as a hacker who has a root access in my own machine, i can adduser a user and add it as sudoer
[05:52] <dr_willis> years and years..
[05:52] <A1Recon> Can someone help me with ssh tunnel??
[05:52] <savagecroc> A1Recon: ask
[05:52] <dr_willis> adding a user does not reverse encrypt....
[05:53] <nightfly> Cust
[05:53] <dr_willis> so i dont see the relationship
[05:53] <nightfly> Love at first sight.
[05:53] <nightfly> He's gorgeous, look at him!
[05:53] <nightfly> how the fuck...
[05:53] <A1Recon> OK I am going to my friend's house and i need to set up ssh tunnel in my system so that i can transfer files over the net. Is that possible?
[05:54] <dr_willis> A1Recon:  why a tunnle? why not just ssh/scp
[05:54] <nightfly> That's the imgur caption from some thing, didn't even select it...
[05:54] <Tex_Nick> language ! nightfly
[05:54] <Tex_Nick> !language | nightfly
[05:54] <A1Recon> dr_willis: help me with ssh then??
[05:54] <dr_willis> !ssh
[05:54] <nightfly> Tex_Nick: Sorry
[05:55] <dr_willis> check out sshfs  also
[05:56] <A1Recon> thanks!!
[05:56] <null_dev> Hello. I need some help. I recently did a full, clean install to Ubuntu 13.04, and my laptop computer is using a built in Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset. I have followed the entire procedure listed here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting All the way down to the Refreshing/reinstalling the drivers section, but nothing worked and all the tests showed up as fine: my PC recognizes my sound card, m
[05:57] <tannji> dr_willis, you played around with bodhi linux at all?
[05:57] <dr_willis> tannji: not looked at it in ages
[05:58] <tannji> trying to install it on an OLD laptop....  all kids of probs... but it runs faster from thumbdrive than XP does from the hdd  lol
[05:58] <savagecroc> hey.. how do you make xrandr changes permanatly?
[05:58] <savagecroc> i.e. so they don't disappear on reboot?
[05:59] <null_dev> As an added note, this seems to have started right after I installed inetutils-traceroute, but I'm not sure how that could be related.
[06:00] <eosyn> my gmtp, or for that matter any mtp thing is borked :(
[06:00] <tannji> savagecroc,  check this, partway down page:  https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xrandr
[06:01] <savagecroc> tannji: oh thank you very much
[06:01] <eosyn> segfaults
[06:01] <dr_willis> i just use airdroid instead  of cables these days on my android  stuff.
[06:01] <savagecroc> tannji: hmm i don't have an xorg.conf page
[06:01] <savagecroc> file*
[06:02] <dr_willis> savagecroc: you can make one
[06:02] <savagecroc> dr_willis: ok sweet
[06:02] <tannji> http://askubuntu.com/questions/63681/how-can-i-make-xrandr-customization-permanent
[06:02] <dr_willis> askubuntu.com  soo handy
[06:02] <tannji> = )
[06:03] <savagecroc> yeah i'll start using it.. i've used ubuntu as a server environment for years, but very new to the desktop env
[06:03] <dr_willis> they need an askubuntu.com widget on the desktop.  ;-)   put us out of a job
[06:04] <dr_willis> the dash can search askubuntu.com
[06:05] <dr_willis> savagecroc: you did just try the monitors/display setting tool?
[06:05] <savagecroc> didn't work
[06:05] <ekinox001> why ubuntu "desktop" uses a local dns server (dnsmasq) ?
[06:05] <dr_willis> what drivers  savagecroc
[06:06] <Tex_Nick> dr_willis : with a widget like that ... what would you do with your free time then ? ;-)
[06:06] <savagecroc> dr_willis; worked for the first week, then after an apt-get update/upgrade both monitors dropped to a 1024*768 resolution.  The 1920x180 wasn't in the list
[06:06] <dr_willis> ekinox001:  speed up lookyps would be my guess
[06:06] <savagecroc> dr_willis: i'm not sure.. it's Intel HD from the Z77 chipset
[06:06] <dr_willis> savagecroc:  nvidia? nvidia-settings dudent work!
[06:07] <dr_willis> intel.. ahh.
[06:07] <firmanrosidi> nothing to do here
[06:07] <savagecroc> dr_willis: I have an identical computer (every part), that's still just working without having to do this
[06:07] <savagecroc> dr_willis: what's strange is that it's also identical to the software setup as well (i'm using scripts to setup these machines)
[06:08] <firmanrosidi> intel...ahhh
[06:08] <savagecroc> are intel cards not good?
[06:08] <savagecroc> intel onboard graphics i mean
[06:09] <dr_willis> intel tend to work  well
[06:09] <firmanrosidi> yes
[06:09] <firmanrosidi> sure
[06:09] <den> savagecroc Intel have always worked well for me
[06:09] <savagecroc> yeah.. i usually will only pick intel stuff for reliability
[06:09] <firmanrosidi> gotre
[06:09] <firmanrosidi> iron man 3
[06:09] <wilee-nilee> firmanrosidi, Please don't post gibberish.
[06:10] <firmanrosidi> sorry
[06:10] <firmanrosidi> sorry
[06:10] <firmanrosidi> sorry
[06:10] <firmanrosidi> sorry
[06:10] <FloodBot1> firmanrosidi: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:10] <dr_willis> bbl
[06:10] <firmanrosidi> Iron Man #
[06:10] <giwrgaras> i get a crash when i run chrome in ubuntu
[06:10] <ekinox001> dr_willis: good thing, but it gives me some problems to makes my  LAN names working as I want (I have another dnsmasq running on my server (it is simply a dd-wrt router), I can dig or nslookup my router, I can ping it's IP, ping it's "short name" (ddrouter) but I can't ping its FQDN (ddrouter.network.local
[06:10] <giwrgaras> happened to anybody else before?
[06:11] <wilee-nilee> !details > giwrgaras
[06:11] <giwrgaras> ok
[06:11] <giwrgaras> as for details i get a screen with strange colors for 5 secs and then a crash mentioning chrome
[06:11] <lauratika> i install fogger app creator to install trello and cant find where trello was installed... does anyone knows wher i can find where trello application was installed?
[06:12] <giwrgaras> all that with ubuntu 13.04
[06:12] <null_dev> How often is it okay to repeat a question (so new people who enter the room might notice if they know the answer) without coming off as a spam bot?
[06:13] <aeon-ltd> null_dev: ~5-10 minutes
[06:13] <null_dev> aeon-ltd Thank you.
[06:13] <den> giwrgaras Chrome or Chromium?
[06:14] <Guest84604> hi
[06:14] <den> howdy
[06:14] <giwrgaras> dont remember ill login again with ubuntu and tell you again
[06:14] <aeon-ltd> null_dev: or less if the room moves too fast or netsplits occur. if the chat/room doesn't move and your question is still visible don't repeat
[06:15] <null_dev> aeon-ltd Roger, thanks again.
[06:15] <ekinox001> is it possible to disable the use of dnsmasq  neatly?
[06:15] <den> Did you install if from the software center or from Google.com/chrome?
[06:15] <null_dev> Hello. I need some help. I recently did a full, clean install to Ubuntu 13.04, and my laptop computer is using a built in Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset. I have followed the entire procedure listed here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting All the way down to the Refreshing/reinstalling the drivers section, but nothing worked and all the tests showed up as fine: my PC recognizes my sound card, m
[06:16] <ekinox001> and use resolv.conf as usual with ubuntu?
[06:16] <den> null_dev, still no sound?
[06:17] <null_dev> den Yeah, no sound at all. I've tested with both YouTube and with the sound file suggested in that Troubleshooting guide.
[06:17] <den> Could I run something by you? Are you sure you have the right output device selected?
[06:17] <den> null_dev I apologize if you've tried that before
[06:18] <Giwrgaras> so i have chromium in ubuntu 12.04
[06:18] <den> Oh wow, that's interesting
[06:18] <lauratika> how can i find where apps were installed??
[06:18] <null_dev> den No apology needed. I'm not totally sure that I have the right device selected, I'm actually really new to Ubuntu.
[06:18] <den> giwrgaras How about this, uninstall chromium and try chrome google.com/chrome
[06:19] <null_dev> den And to Linux in general, to be honest. I've been using it for about a year or two but I'm really, really far from not being totally dumb about stuff :)
[06:19] <Giwrgaras> how about the things that are in the marketplace are not working properly?
[06:19] <Giwrgaras> that was the first choice in software center
[06:19] <den> null_dev play a youtube clip. Click on the speaker icon in the top bar, click sound settings, and cycle through all of the output devices
[06:20] <Giwrgaras> and i mention that also so that other people can find out that there is a prob between those 2
[06:20] <den> Giwrgaras I've actually had more luck with Chromium than Chrome
[06:20] <den> Chrome was a bit unstable for me
[06:20] <Giwrgaras> the speeds in chromium are excellent
[06:20] <den> null_dev Does my explanation make sense?
[06:20] <Giwrgaras> unfortunately it crashes the whole system
[06:21] <den> Giwrgaras Oh wow, I'm sorry to hear that. I apologize if you mentioned this, but have you tried reinstalling?
[06:21] <null_dev> den It does but for reasons unknown my mouse is locked up. I think the mouse pad is overheating, I need to give it a second before I can navigate with the mouse, and I'm not sure how to get to the icon in the top bar with my keyboard yet :D
[06:22] <den> null_dev Come to think of it ... neither do I ...
[06:22] <citric> i tried.... i tried to switch to ubuntu, but i can't do it, i rely on too many windows apps :( shun me!
[06:22] <Giwrgaras> how do i uninstall programs in ubuntu
[06:22] <Giwrgaras> rofl sorry but i dont have this system eve for a week
[06:23] <madprops> citric, did you try wine
[06:23] <den> Giwrgaras Go to the software center, click on the Installed icon, then you can search or browse for the application. There will be an uninstall button when you click into it
[06:23] <null_dev> den I can't find anything when I hold the Super button down for it. Hopefully it'll fix itself here in a few like it normally does!
[06:23] <Giwrgaras> how do i do that with the terminal?
[06:23] <den> citric Which apps? We got Office 2010 and linq working in my office
[06:23] <Giwrgaras> like sudo apt get
[06:24] <den> Giwrgaras sudo apt-get remove chromium
[06:24] <Giwrgaras> oh thats better
[06:24] <citric> well mainly because im getting interested in started to program in C# so.... that was that straw the broke the camels back lol
[06:24] <Giwrgaras> thanks
[06:24] <Guest84604> giwrgaras: Try Synaptic Manager.
[06:24] <citric> den, thats awesome actually  :P
[06:24] <citric> madprops, no i didn't
[06:25] <den> citric I code in C# at work. Have you looked at Mono and Monodevelop?
[06:25] <Giwrgaras> 'virtual packages like chromium cant be removed'
[06:25] <Giwrgaras> ?
[06:25] <citric> den, never heard of it, what is is?
[06:25] <madprops> citric, you could have run most windows apps with wine
[06:25] <den> citric I'm not ashamed to say that I think that C# is a brilliant language and I like .Net
[06:26] <den> citric It's an OSS implementation of .NET and C#. Monodevelop is their "Visual Studio" for Linux
[06:26] <den> citric it's pretty slick
[06:26] <den> citric Thanks! The Sys Admin and I are big Linux fanboys in a Windows shop
[06:27] <citric> den, im really new to programming though, so maybe it's not for me :/
[06:27] <den> citric It's the same ol' C# man. Just a different platform. Don't get me wrong, I think VS is great
[06:27] <den> citric Except 2012. I can't stand how it looks
[06:27] <null_dev> den Is there a command to reset the mouse in the terminal?
[06:28] <den> null_dev That's ... a great question
[06:28] <den> null_dev Lemme do some DuckDuckGoing
[06:28] <null_dev> den Thanks, I'll do the same.
[06:29] <den> null_dev Idea ... and this is probably going to lead to catastrophic results BUT, unplug then replug the mouse?
[06:29] <madprops> den are you a bot
[06:29] <madprops> wtf
[06:30] <den> madprops Am I? How about that for an existential crisis
[06:30] <null_dev> den It's a laptop.
[06:30] <den> null_dev How strong are you? Think you could rip the trackpad out? :X
[06:31] <null_dev> den I might be able too, but I'll just go get my cat. Might be easier.
[06:31] <den> null_dev Path of efficiency, I like it
[06:31] <den> Giwrgaras Sorry, looks like it's time for the software center
[06:32] <den> Giwrgaras Or synaptic
[06:32] <null_dev> den Okay, I fixed it.
[06:32] <OctalGenesis> bah, i don't know how this happen but now my ubuntu won't launchbar or the cairo dock anymore
[06:32] <den> null_dev NICE! What did you do?
[06:32] <null_dev> sudo modprobe -r psmouse
[06:32] <null_dev> sudo modprobe psmouse
[06:33] <den> null_dev The student has become the teacher! Well done homie
[06:33] <citric> den, currently i have visual C# express 2010, but downloading 2012 visual studio expresss 2012 just to check it out
[06:33] <null_dev> den ^^ Thank you!
[06:33] <den> citric The express products are great. I can't stand how 2012 looks. May be a personal preference
[06:34] <null_dev> den Okay, it says 'play sound through' and then in the box below it there is 'Speakers built in audio'
[06:34] <den> null_dev Now take a look if you've selected the proper output devices
[06:34] <citric> i assume it's got that windows 8 look?
[06:34] <den> null_dev only one device?
[06:34] <null_dev> den That seems to be the only option. Volume and balance look fine. I'm going to click the test sound button, just in case.
[06:34] <OctalGenesis> what is hcengine? it seems like it's getting warnings about that now
[06:34] <den> null_dev Try playing with the modes?
[06:34] <null_dev> den Yeah, only one device. Test sound button played no sound. Modes?
[06:35] <den> null_dev Just above the Test button
[06:36] <null_dev> den Holy crap that worked but I don't know why!
[06:36] <den> citric Yeah, I just don't think the distinction between the different panes is clear enough
[06:36] <null_dev> den The only option was balance, fade and subwoofer were blacked out.
[06:36] <Giwrgaras> best browser for ubuntu?
[06:36] <Giwrgaras> any suggestions?
[06:36] <den> null_dev Oh wierd! Check youtube
[06:36] <OctalGenesis> firefox
[06:36] <den> Giwrgaras I recently switched back to Firefox for plugin reasons
[06:37] <null_dev> den I moved the balance to the left and it worked, then back to the right and it worked, then back to the middle where it started and it worked.
[06:37] <null_dev> den Aye, youtube is working.
[06:37] <citric> den, know any good tutorials for a total beginner ? :)
[06:37] <Giwrgaras> ill stay with this one then i hate restarting my pc
[06:37] <Colonel187> Hello.  I can't find the answer on any forums so far. Is there a way to add "open as administrator" to the right click context menu like some other versions of linux have?
[06:37] <null_dev> den In exchange for all your great help, enjoy this song! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRZ-jLOrFfk
[06:37] <den> citric Um, check Channel 9 and MSDN
[06:38] <null_dev> den Which incidentally is what I was using to test.
[06:38] <Giwrgaras> also another question please.. if i want to search from something from the terminal, i know now install, remove but those work only if i know the exact name of the program
[06:38] <Giwrgaras> how do i search from progs to install from the terminal and see associated lists?
[06:39] <den> null_dev My pleasure man! This song is great.
[06:39] <CruX|> hello, where are stored dns servers obtained via dhcp ?
[06:39] <Colonel187> Nobody?
[06:39] <null_dev> den I'm glad you like it. I hope it brings you as much joy as having sound again brings me.
[06:39] <CruX|> in /etc/resolv.conv there is only nameserver 127.0.0.1
[06:40] <den> null_dev Having another Linux user is payment enough. We get enough people on this platform and we'll start getting more software vendors building tools/apps for Linux
[06:40] <den> citric Honestly man, get a book and keep at it
[06:40] <null_dev> den I hope so. I like Linux because Windows isn't worth paying for when I can have Ubuntu for free. And it's been a blast learning more about computers.
[06:41] <hector> hello new to Ubuntu how is everyone
[06:41] <Colonel187> anybody out there?
[06:41] <citric> soooo many books lol
[06:41] <citric> hard to choose
[06:41] <den> null_dev Nice, that's the thing. After I fiddle with it for a while, my Ubuntu install feels more "mine" than any Windows install I've had
[06:41] <den> citric I like the Murach books
[06:41] <den> citric Check out the Murach C# books. They touch on most of the major libraries
[06:42] <null_dev> citric, what is it you're trying to learn again?
[06:42] <Giwrgaras> linux has a lot of security but it should focus more on stability
[06:42] <Giwrgaras> imho
[06:42] <den> Giwrgaras I agree
[06:42] <citric> c#
[06:43] <den> Thing is, tools like Chrome are Google's domain. Stability is their baliwick. Though, they use Ubuntu in-house
[06:43] <OctalGenesis> what is hcengine?
[06:43] <Guest52990> !list
[06:43] <Colonel187> Hello
[06:44] <Tex_Nick> Giwrgaras: linux is actually rock stable on a great number of box's ;)
[06:44] <null_dev> I want to share a link with citric but it has profanity in it. What do?
[06:44] <den> null_dev direct messag
[06:44] <den> message
[06:44] <citric> msg me
[06:44] <null_dev> ben doh, don't know why that didn't occur to me.
[06:44] <den> null_dev you're mesmerized by sound
[06:45] <Colonel187> Looking for info or assistance. Is this the right place
[06:45] <null_dev> den It's true!
[06:45] <den> Colonel187 Yes sir, shoot
[06:45] <null_dev> citric Did that go through?
[06:45] <OctalGenesis> anyone might have a clue to why ubuntu seem to miss hcengine now?
[06:46] <citric> yup
[06:46] <Colonel187> I've been searching and can't find a straight answer on the forums. Is there a way to add "open as administrator" to the right click context menu? I know some other version of linux have this.
[06:46] <den> You would run it as sudo from the commandline
[06:46] <den> So, let's say you wanted to run Firefox as an admin
[06:46] <Colonel187> yes i know that
[06:47] <Tex_Nick> !details | Colonel187
[06:47] <Giwrgaras> Texnix i dedicate to you this update manager crash that i just had
[06:48] <den> Alright guys, I need to get some sleep.
[06:48] <OctalGenesis> i screwed something up when i tried to install my graphic card driver and nothing seem to load unless i do it manually now
[06:48] <den> null_dev Glad we got your sound working
[06:48] <Giwrgaras> bye
[06:48] <OctalGenesis> i can't even tab programs anymore
[06:48] <den> citric I'm usually on here if you have any more c# questions
[06:48] <null_dev> den I am too. Thanks again, den. Maybe one day I'll be able to be a guru like you.
[06:48] <null_dev> den Heck, maybe one day I'll understand why that worked in the first place.
[06:49] <den> null_dev Not a guru, I'm more of an enthusiast. I'm just enthralled we got you going
[06:49] <effbiai> hi, i've got a problem while booting. using ubuntu 13.04. nvidia + intel (sandy shit) graphic cards. though.. can turn off the intel one in bios :D using nouvaeu kernel module. while booting it freezes 1 out of 5 times. grub is set to console, linux load is set to text, and i'm using not quiet boot. how can i debug what's causing the freezes?
[06:49] <Moult> hey all. i put my mum on ubuntu 10.04LTS when it came out, and now as the support period has ended, i'm considering an upgrade. would 12.04LTS be suitable, and is there an upgrade path that doesn't mean i have to backup all the files on it?
[06:49] <citric> sounds great, thanks! :)
[06:49] <Colonel187> ok, I am trying to find a way to add "open as administrator" to the right click context menu in the file manager so I can simply right click a folder or file and open it as root instead of using the command line. I've seen this in other version of linux and I saw that it was included in nautilus tools but they don't work on 13.04 does anybody know of another way to add this function
[06:49] <null_dev> den Oh, I've been all about the Ubuntu/Linux for a while now. But it always feels great when it's working :D
[06:50] <Giwrgaras> lol
[06:50] <effbiai> is it possible to get kernel boot to write it's output to somewhere?
[06:50] <OctalGenesis> can someone that know something about graphic card installations pm me please
[06:51] <null_dev> ben Also, If you want more cool music ask me anytime. My email is marcsk1989@gmail.com
[06:51] <OctalGenesis> otherwise i need to reinstall the whole thing :(
[06:53] <Colonel187> are you still there?
[06:56] <Matthew_Moore> Hello,  Anybody here familiar with Kdenlive?   whenever i try to Open Key Spill mop up it crashes every time.  anybody know how to fix it?
[06:57] <Colonel187> I guess I'm not worthy of getting help or what?
[07:01] <bazhang> http://askubuntu.com/questions/78116/where-is-the-open-as-administrator-option-in-nautilus-gone  colonel187
[07:01] <bazhang> augh
[07:03] <iceroot> is there a way to find out the packagename when i only have a window (in this case its the window for changing display-settings) and i need the packagename which contains this display-setting-window
[07:04] <Giwrgaras> anyone has python idle on ubuntu?
[07:04] <aeon-ltd> iceroot: what is it?
[07:04] <iceroot> imo there was something like that in a ubuntu-bug package, there i can click on a window and its showing me the packagename but i cant remember
[07:04] <bazhang> Giwrgaras, #python
[07:04] <iceroot> aeon-ltd: ?
[07:05] <Giwrgaras> asked there first
[07:05] <bazhang> Giwrgaras, so be patient
[07:05] <lasers> iceroot: erm, xprop? Idk.
[07:06] <lasers> iceroot: It *probably* isn't the same thing -- but it might tell you something useful.
[07:06] <iceroot> lasers: i will have a look, thank you
[07:06] <bazhang> !info xprop
[07:07] <phix> !info ubottu
[07:07] <phix> aawww
[07:07] <lextcs> whois moses moses
[07:10] <iceroot> ubuntu-bug -w  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ubuntu-bug-w.png
[07:10] <lextcs> j
[07:10] <iceroot> that was the tool :)
[07:14] <lauratika> some one knows go to enable global menu in libreoffice 4.0.4.2 at ubuntu 12.04
[07:16] <auronandace> lauratika: that version of libreoffice is not in the 12.04 repos so we can't support it here
[07:17] <lauratika> well it was installed on an update
[07:17] <lauratika> how can i go back to the supported one?
[07:18] <wilee-nilee> lauratika, Did you add the PPA?
[07:18] <lauratika> i dont remember
[07:18] <lauratika> is there a way to check that?
[07:18] <bazhang> http://askubuntu.com/questions/265954/how-do-i-disable-global-menu-for-libreoffice-4-0-in-ubuntu-12-04  lauratika try this, but work backwards
[07:19] <unheeding> so, nobody has any ideas on my nvidia no tty issue?
[07:19] <xavior> Nope
[07:19] <xavior> None that I know of
[07:19] <bazhang> I see no question from you at all unheeding
[07:20] <unheeding> oh it was earlier
[07:20] <unheeding> basically i can't see my ttys - they exist, but i can't see them
[07:21] <bazhang> much earlier, it would seem
[07:21] <lauratika> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:21] <lauratika>  lo-menubar : Depends: libreoffice-gtk but it is not going to be installed
[07:21] <lauratika> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[07:22] <moses> ????
[07:22] <axiz> how  to upstart
[07:22] <bazhang> lauratika, the PPA for 4.0 has globalmenu support built in
[07:22] <histo> axiz: can you elaborate as to what you want to do with upstart?
[07:22] <bazhang> !upstart | axiz have a read
[07:23] <lauratika> so what can be making troubles, i dont have lo-menu installed
[07:23] <bazhang> lauratika, you do NOT need to worry about that, if you have the PPA
[07:24] <wilee-nilee> bazhang, When I switched to the PPA awhile back libreoffice the install errored and I had to purge the repos version to load it.
[07:25] <wilee-nilee> just info is all
[07:25] <bazhang> wilee-nilee, lauratika seems not to even know if he has the PPA or not
[07:25] <Babin> Using Ubuntu Server 12.04 , Now i want to install Same Ubuntu server 12.04 in 10 More PCs , So How can i install itt
[07:25] <wilee-nilee> bazhang, Yeah
[07:26] <JamJar> Babin: preseed or kickstart
[07:26] <wilee-nilee> lauratika, If you have the repo it is probably in /etc/apt/sources.list.d look there.
[07:26] <Babin> Using Ubuntu Server 12.04 , Now i want to install Same Ubuntu server 12.04 in 10 More PCs , So How can i install itt from a kick start file , and ubuntu Ftp or nfs share
[07:27] <Babin> Jamjar will u please give me tutorial about the creating kick start in ubuntu im new to ubuntu
[07:27] <histo> !kickstart | Babin
[07:27] <Babin> ok
[07:27] <lauratika> i know what is a PPA i just dont know if is installed, i cant remember
[07:27] <JamJar> Babin: if you have access to the network infrastructure it's probably easiest to use PXE boot
[07:27] <wilee-nilee> lauratika, Right and if you have it it installed that is were the call for it is, look there to confirm.
[07:28] <histo> lauratika: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[07:28] <Babin> I want to install this just by pressing F12 in all Pcs , how to setup a PXE server for that
[07:28] <histo> Babin: I would just use clonezilla
[07:28] <Babin> yes Jamjar u right please give me tutorial to create a PXE server to access the clients
[07:28] <lauratika> 12.04
[07:28] <Babin> k.
[07:28] <histo> Babin: especially if the machiens are identical hard drives etc..
[07:29] <JamJar> Babin: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot
[07:29] <Babin> Jamjar thanks
[07:29] <Babin> and histo i want only PXE boot
[07:29] <lauratika> wilee-nilee yes is there!!
[07:30] <Babin> thanx all matees ill back after a check
[07:30] <lauratika> now what
[07:30] <histo> lauratika: ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list.d/      does that output any files?
[07:30] <histo> lauratika: also grep ppa ~/.bash_history
[07:31] <wilee-nilee> lauratika, When you bring up libreoffice open help-about libreoffice you see  4.0.4.2
[07:31] <lauratika> wilee-nilee yes
[07:32] <histo> wilee-nilee: I have 3.5.7 in 12.04
[07:32] <lauratika> histo yes on the frist question
[07:32] <wilee-nilee> lauratika, Cool just confirming I had this same problem, my same has the menu, someone will know.
[07:32] <JamJar> Babin: it might take you a little while to get that process going
[07:32] <histo> lauratika: then you have ppa's enabled
[07:32] <Babin> hmm ya
[07:32] <lauratika> ppa:libreoffice/ppa
[07:33] <histo> !ppapurge | lauratika
[07:33] <histo> lauratika: or check on their ppa page as to why there repository is bombing.
[07:33] <JamJar> Babin: I'd say check out the documentation around the things you use as well as the tutorials. The 4 things you need to get right are *tftp server *dhcp settings *pxelinux settings *HTTP server (for kickstart and any mirror you host)
[07:34] <JamJar> it's a bit fiddly, and does involve some thought
[07:34] <lauratika> ppa-purge: command not found
[07:35] <axiz> i use 12.04 in a bootable usb device , every time i reboot i lose everything done
[07:35] <histo> !persistence | axiz
[07:36] <Phoenixxl> Today , the intodution of kernel 3.10 as default in saucy broke iscsi-dkms . I added a bug report on launchpad.. was that the right place ? Or should I report this somewhere else too ? Is it different for development branches ?
[07:37] <Phoenixxl> I meant iscsitarget-dkms
[07:39] <jony_easyrider> how can I open a software in Ubuntu 12.04 if I forgot its name?
[07:40] <Phoenixxl> type history | less
[07:40] <Phoenixxl> you will see what you have installed
[07:40] <Phoenixxl> in the past
[07:40] <dakotawulfy> axiz how are you installing it to the usb device
[07:40] <axiz> unetbtin
[07:41] <wilee-nilee> lauratika, On the bots link is a download for the purge ppa package, there is an actual ppa for it as well.
[07:41] <jony_easyrider> Phoenixxl, some GUI software lister by group like it was in 10.04?
[07:41] <Phoenixxl> jony_easyrider, you can also check your system log , usually stuff gets added usually when something is installed
[07:43] <taghalobi> how can I install this layout on my ubuntu? workman-layout-link: https://github.com/deekayen/workman
[07:44] <Phoenixxl> jony_easyrider, you can also do a ls in bin or sbin and order by date , the last executables will probably be related to the last things you installed
[07:44] <wilee-nilee> lauratika, Might be in the repos in 12.04 as well. sudo apt-get install ppa-purge
[07:45] <taghalobi> also, workman page: http://www.workmanlayout.com/blog/?page_id=964
[07:45] <jony_easyrider> Phoenixxl, ty, I found it Dash home in Recent apps by pressing "show more"
[07:46] <axiz> using Partition Editor tool [] ERROR - filesystem superblock
[07:46] <phix> nice
[07:46] <phix> axiz: EFI?
[07:46] <phix> UEFI?
[07:46] <phix> GPT?
[07:47] <sdawxztef4432> hi
[07:47] <phix> hi
[07:47] <phix> how are you sdawxztef4432 ?
[07:48] <zipy> hey can someone explain me why they configured 8 sockeds for tor + privoxy + squid?: https://mightycomputers.wordpress.com/2012/09/10/recently-i-foun/
[07:48] <sdawxztef4432> can someone explain me why i cant tupe anything in #archlinux  i get this == Cannot send to channel: #archlinux
[07:48] <phix> zipy: I don't like to speculate a persons mental process or condition
[07:48] <phix> sdawxztef4432: you are muted, it is moderated and you dont have voice?
[07:49] <Phoenixxl> If anyone else here has saucy installed somewhere , I would ask them to reproduce installing iscsitarget-dkms , see if it breaks for them too .
[07:49] <auronandace> !register | sdawxztef4432
[07:49] <gordonjcp> sdawxztef4432: you are not registered
[07:49] <phix> or that
[07:49] <sdawxztef4432> ty
[07:49] <sdawxztef4432> i am irc noob
[07:50] <wilee-nilee> !13.10 | Phoenixxl
[07:50] <lauratika> yep installing
[07:50] <phix> when is the next LTS?
[07:50] <utfans05_> 14.04
[07:50] <utfans05_> every 2 years
[07:51] <dr_willis> every other  .04 release
[07:51] <Phoenixxl>  #ubuntu+1 thnx
[07:54] <mnemon> zipy: the original has some "reasons" http://www.howtoforge.com/ultimate-security-proxy-with-tor
[07:55] <Gnjurac> hi i just regstred my nick but i still cant tupe anything in #archlinux == Cannot send to channel: #archlinux
[07:55] <Gnjurac> anyone help me?
[07:55] <dr_willis> Gnjurac:  you did identify tgen rejoin
[07:56] <Gnjurac> dr_willis: what?
[07:56] <dr_willis> best to ask in #freenode channel  Gnjurac
[07:56] <mnemon> Gnjurac: you need to identify for the nick
[07:56] <dr_willis> you regiester. then identify  to nuckserv
[07:57] <Gnjurac> mnemon:  how?
[07:57] <mnemon>  /ns help identify
[07:57] <mnemon> or /msg nickserv help identify if that doesn't work.
[08:01] <phix> th0r: !
[08:34] <kelly> found myself in front of a 12.10 installation. I'm trying to do a udo apt-get dist-upgrade but I only get that there is no new version.. any ideas?
[08:36] <ne0h> kelly,  do you want to upgrade to 13?
[08:36] <kelly> ne0h, yepp
[08:37] <kvmadsen> quit
[08:37] <kvmadsen> sry
[08:39] <Priam> A stupid question: When I login linux, I know that my info will be recorded in file utmp. When I'm do my work, the system collapsed, what i want to know is when i restart my PC, how the system deal with the record that was not cleared because of the collapse?
[08:39] <DJones> kelly: Have you tried running "do release-upgrade" in a terminal
[08:41] <Priam> anyone can help?
[08:45] <surt> hey folks I'm having trouble with my wifi network. I'm streaming files via ssh to my android phone and videos stutter. I realised I'm getting an average of about 150KB/s. Which is horrendous, is there something obvious because my connection rate is at about 130mbps which means a theoretical speed of roughly 16MB/s. Less than 1% of my total bandwith...
[08:45] <surt> ...is what I'm getting. Any ideas?
[08:45] <ne0h> kelly i will advice you download the image
[08:46] <edward_> hi
[08:47] <edward_> I just installed ubuntu, changed the language to german and selected the binary nvidia drivers. Everything "seems" fine except for the fact that when I log in I don't see anything besides a nice background (i.e. no panel/folders/etc)
[08:47] <edward_> any ideas how to fix that?
[08:49] <musca> Priam: there is a man page for utmp
[08:50] <edwardo> how do I get my desktop back?
[08:52] <Priam> musca: Thank you, I got it.
[08:52] <ActionParsnip> edwardo: which release?
[08:52] <musca> Priam: i guess, init does remove old entries?
[08:54] <blazemore> In my ssh config file (or through any other method) is it possible to set up ssh such that it will immediately "screen -dr" if a screen is available, and open a new screen session if not?
[08:54] <ActionParsnip> !rootirc | Guest48452
[08:54] <Guest48452> Hello everybody. Is there anyway to reinstall all my installed packages because somebody changes many stuffs in /usr directory ?
[08:55] <histo> !clone | Guest48452
[08:55] <Priam> musca: right, here is what i found: " Before an entry is processed, though, init(8)  cleans up utmp by setting ut_type to DEAD_PROCESS, clearing ut_user, ut_host, and ut_time with null bytes for each  record which  ut_type  is  not  DEAD_PROCESS or RUN_LVL and where no process with PID ut_pid exists."
[08:55] <Ole> GUYS PLEASE HELP ME. What is those peanuts with a yellow crunchy layer called? - It is an emergency! pleaaaassee
[08:56] <ActionParsnip> Guest48452: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[08:56] <acerimmer> Ole, wrong channel
[08:56] <Ole> OKAY
[08:56] <MonkeyDust> Guest48452  this is somewhat more elegant http://paste.ubuntu.com/5807194/
[08:56] <DJones> Ole: Please remember this is Ubuntu support
[08:56] <ActionParsnip> Ole: ask in #ubuntu-oftopic or ##club-ubuntu
[08:56] <edwardo> I just installed ubuntu, changed the language to german and changed the display driver to nvidia binary driver
[08:56] <ActionParsnip> edwardo: doesnt answer my question
[08:56] <Guest48452> ActionParsnip: 12.04.2 LTS
[08:56] <edwardo> when I log in I have a nice background but no panel/etc
[08:57] <edwardo> how do I get the usual "unity" stuff?
[08:57] <surt> wifi lan. extremely slow speeds. xfer rates are <1% bandwidth. please help.
[08:57] <ActionParsnip> edwardo: doesnt answer my question
[08:57] <Guest48452> MonkeyDust, ActionParsnip : I hope that will not remove packages before reinstalling...
[08:57] <edwardo> at the moment I just see a background
[08:57] <ActionParsnip> edwardo: which release are you using?
[08:58] <ActionParsnip> edwardo: raring? quantal? precise?
[08:58] <edwardo> 13.04
[08:58] <ActionParsnip> edwardo: finally!!
[08:58] <edwardo> then I did a dist-upgrade and upgrade
[08:58] <edwardo> but the error was already there before the upgrade
[08:58] <ActionParsnip> edwardo: is it a clean install or did you upgrade from a previous release?
[08:58] <edwardo> clean install
[08:59] <edwardo> sorry I'm logged in in the console
[08:59] <ActionParsnip> edwardo: press CTRL+ALT+T and run:  sudo nvidia-xconfig   then reboot
[08:59] <edwardo> I'm not used to the console colors I mistook your remarks as messages and ignored them
[08:59] <GeekShadow> hello
[08:59] <dakotawulfy> edwardo hit alt f2 unity --reset that might work
[08:59] <acerimmer> GeekShadow, greetings
[09:00] <edwardo> thanks
[09:00] <edwardo> I will try both
[09:01] <edwardo> the reset thingy didn't work at all
[09:01] <edwardo> first of alt f2 didn't work
[09:01] <edwardo> anyway I will reboot now (I did the nvidia-xconfig command)
[09:01] <dakotawulfy> alt f2 brings terminal up
[09:01] <edwardo> ctrl alt + t works
[09:01] <edwardo> alt f2 doesn^t
[09:02] <dakotawulfy>  then you  type that in there
[09:03] <edward_> re
[09:03] <edward_> so I restarted and it is still the same
[09:04] <edward_> I just see a background
[09:04] <dakotawulfy>  edward you said u have 12.04?
[09:04] <edward_> 13.04
[09:05] <dakotawulfy> edward  check out this page might help http://askubuntu.com/questions/17610/how-do-i-reset-my-unity-configuration
[09:08] <edward_> dakotawulfy: as mentioned alt f2 doesn't work
[09:08] <edward_> and unity --reset neither
[09:08] <edward_> the second approach seems very fishy
[09:08] <Priam> edward: Try switch to command line and delete .bashrc or .login file, then restart the computer.
[09:09] <edward_> why would I need to run some strange script to get a clean installation working?
[09:09] <edward_> it's a clean installation
[09:10] <edward_> there is no .login file
[09:10] <edward_> and I don't see how .bashrc is related to my desktop
[09:10] <edward_> also I didn't change it and it looks fine
[09:10] <edward_> why would I want to delete it?
[09:10] <Priam> .bashrc ? In your home folder?
[09:10] <edward_> yes
[09:11] <Priam> delete it and restart
[09:11] <edward_> no
[09:11] <edward_> it makes no sense
[09:12] <edward_> I think it is more related to the error messages I'm getting about compiz
[09:12] <edward_> maybe the change to the nvidia binary drivers fucked everything up
[09:12] <lotuspsychje> !language | edward_
[09:13] <edward_> excuse me?
[09:13] <edward_> my language was polite and professional
[09:13] <dakotawulfy> edward maybe this  seen this on that page unity-tweak-tool in raring (13.04) comes bundled with this script. unity-tweak-tool --reset-unity should cleanly reset unity
[09:13] <ikonia> edward_: let me be clear - your language is unacceptable, please don't do it again.
[09:13] <yogeshkakde> How to store the usage of processor/memory/network?
[09:13] <ikonia> edward_: that language is not polite or professional.
[09:14] <edward_> ikonia: well that's your problem if you feel offended but I didn't use any inappropriate words and I didn't offended anyone
[09:14] <MonkeyDust> edward_  the f-word is not polite
[09:14] <edward_> f-word?
[09:14] <acerimmer> edward_, it's the rules, man.  they apply to all.  even you.
[09:15] <musca> Would you ban Linus Thorwalds for saying FUCK OFF, NVIDIA?
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> yogeshkakde: store as in logging?
[09:15] <yogeshkakde> how to record system usage (memory/processor/network) in ubuntu?
[09:15] <yogeshkakde> yes
[09:16] <acerimmer> !language|musca, nope  YOU can be banned for violating this channels rules.
[09:16] <surt> Wasn't it **** _you_ nvidia?
[09:16] <lotuspsychje> yogeshkakde: i think there are specific packages for logging traffix or cpu etc
[09:16] <ikonia> All, just to be clear - I suggest you read the ubuntu channel guidelines before making any more foolish/rude comments
[09:16] <ikonia> !guidelines
[09:16] <DJones> Time to drop that line of discussion and get back to support
[09:17] <acerimmer> DJones, +1
 can you tell any one?
[09:17] <dakotawulfy> edward check out this page it might help http://www.liberiangeek.net/2013/04/how-to-restart-unity-and-compiz-in-ubuntu-13-04-raring-ringtail/
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> yogeshkakde: maybe this can help for cpu: http://askubuntu.com/questions/22021/how-to-log-cpu-load
[09:21] <th0r> yogeshkakde, you might want to get familiar with snmp
[09:22] <yogeshkakde> thanks guys
[09:22] <yogeshkakde> ill look into it
[09:22] <lotuspsychje> yogeshkakde: you can try software centre for handy bandwith monitors aswell
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> yogeshkakde: or do a tail -f /var/log/syslog.1 for realtime issues on your machine
[09:23] <roger21> hello, i have this issue (on pangolin) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnutls26/+bug/937537 but i don't understand what's the conclusion, is it supposed to be fixed now?
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> !find libgnutls
[09:26] <edward_> yogeshkakde: thanks! the unity --reset-icons worked! :)
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> !info gnutls26
[09:28] <hazman_> Does anyone know how to get a list of the packages available to install via apt-get?
[09:28] <ikonia> hazman_: open the package manager....read the list
[09:29] <surt> hazman_: Synaptic or...type some of the name of the package and hit tab...
[09:29] <hazman_> thanks ikonia & surt
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> roger21: i think they fixed further versions of gnutls26, did you update your system?
[09:29] <surt> Does anyone know about NFS server? Need to know if...different operating systems use different ports for this protocol by default?
[09:30] <DJones> !nfs | surt
[09:30] <ikonia> surt: no, the whole point of things like NFS is they are uniform across platforms
[09:30] <bilou> bonjour !!
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> !fr | bilou
[09:30] <llutz> surt: no, default is 2049/tcp
[09:31] <roger21> lotuspsychje, so is it supposed to be fixed (for pangolin)?
[09:31] <surt> 2049 I thought so, but...I can't mount it on my android device. I was thinking maybe the program is searching on port 445...
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> roger21: not sure about pangolin, but i think precise fixxed it
[09:32] <roger21> oh
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> roger21: we highly recommend installing 13.04 clean, its fast and very nice
[09:32] <roger21> i'm lts
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> roger21: ok no sweat :p
[09:33] <ActionParsnip> lotuspsychje: short support isnt great though
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> ActionParsnip: well, thats for users to choose of course..i like my 13.04 64bit
[09:35] <Ben64> you only get to like it until january
[09:35] <Dispassion> hi
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> Ben64: then ill clean install next one :p
[09:36] <petan> is here someone who know how to create .deb packages? I need to know how to specify that a file is configuration file
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> Dispassion: hi mate, how can we assist you?
[09:36] <petan> so that it's not removed when package is uninstalled
[09:37] <MonkeyDust> petan  plenty tutorials, here's one: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/01/how-to-create-deb-package-ubuntu-debian.html
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> petan: you mean backing up your favorite .deb packages?
[09:37] <DJones> !packaging | petan Have you had a look through the packaging guide,
[09:37] <petan> MonkeyDust LOL that is a site I was looking to before I went here, it's not there
[09:38] <Ben64> petan: what are you really trying to do
[09:38] <petan> Ben64 I made a .deb package for my program, and I need the configuration file in /etc to stay there when I update it
[09:39] <Ben64> then those links should contain the answer
[09:39] <Dispassion> ?
[09:39] <petan> DJones I appreciate the link, but this is almost as helpful as saying "google it"... one of these hundreds links probably contain answer, but if someone know it and could tell me, I could save the weekend :P
[09:40] <DJones> petan: I don't know the answer, but there are also 2 other IRC channels, #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-motu that may be able to help
[09:40] <petan> all these packaging guides only include very basic information
[09:41] <ikonia> petan: it' snothing like saying "google it"
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> petan: the ubuntu help triggers contain a lot of information, you sure you searched it well :p?
[09:41] <ikonia> petan: it details exactly how to make a package and what files goe where
[09:41] <ikonia> petan: what is not covered in that guide that you need
[09:41] <petan> ikonia: really? where is it, I can't find it... what I need is "how can I flag a file in package as configuration file which needs not to be removed when you uninstall package"
[09:42] <ikonia> petan: ok - so that's the specific question you have, although why you would leave a config file in place if you want to remove the package doesn't make sense
[09:43] <petan> ikonia: it makes perfect sense, every package does this (that is why purge option exist) because when you upgrade a package it consist of remove and install
[09:43] <ikonia> petan: ok - so not when you remove, but when you upgrade
[09:43] <petan> so that if you don't want your config files to be overwritten everytime you update package, you need to specify that it's config file
[09:43] <petan> ikonia: it's the same for dpkg
[09:43] <petan> try it yourself...
[09:43] <ikonia> petan: is tht part of the prerm ? basically an "if exist" style statement ?
[09:44] <petan> ikonia no it's not part of prerm, I don't know how the correct implementation looks like, hence I am here :)
[09:45] <ikonia> petan: have you looked at an example package where you know this behaviour works ?
[09:45] <petan> on debian.org there is explanation saying that this exist and is being used in packages, but nowhere is described how to implement it for people who are creating not using packages
[09:45] <petan> ikonia: every package that install configuration files to /etc is using it, I just don't know how to "look at it"
[09:46] <ikonia> petan: have you tried it with a standard layout ?
[09:46] <ikonia> eg: not specifying
[09:46] <petan> yes, and my config file was overwriten with clean version, removing my modifications to it
[09:47] <petan> which is what specifically must not happen
[09:48] <Hounddog> I am having some trouble setting up some folder permissions... i created a group (www-pub) add myself and www-data to that group, changed the var/www folder to have that group, changed permissions  755, g+s etc and i dont have permissions to that folder
[09:48] <Hounddog> http://pastebin.com/yY4H9Sbw what is wondering me despite adding myself i am not part of that group as seems
[09:48] <dr_willis> Hounddog: you did log out and back in?
[09:48] <Hounddog> that i have not done yet
[09:48] <histo> Hounddog: did you log out and back in since
[09:48] <Hounddog> one sec
[09:48] <llutz> petan: http://wiki.debian.org/DpkgConffileHandling   isn't that the reason, why you add your configs to <packagename>.conffiles, so dpkg can handle them correctly?
[09:48] <dr_willis> tgats required :-P
[09:49] <petan> llutz sounds like answer :-) thanks
[09:49] <Hounddog> -_-
[09:49] <Hounddog> thx
[09:50] <Hounddog> dr_willis, histo thx... i was doubting myself
[09:50] <petan> llutz that describes how to delete old conf files, I am looking for the very explanation how to define what is conf file and what is not
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> im trying to sux user transmission, but i get env: transmission: file or folder doesnt exist
[09:51] <llutz> petan: "add your configs to <packagename>.conffiles, so dpkg can handle them correctly?"
[09:51] <dr_willis> lotuspsychje:   sux  user  -c  command    perhaps?
[09:52] <lotuspsychje> dr_willis: lemme try holdon
[09:52] <llutz> petan: those ending in "/var/lib/dpkg/info/foo.conffiles"
[09:52] <dr_willis> sux is a wrapper to su.  i beluve
[09:52] <dr_willis> sux  is ooooold  school
[09:53] <llutz> and broken since ages
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> dr_willis: i know you provide me that handy tool :p, it works for all my other stuff, but transmission doesnt want to
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> llutz: broke in what way?
[09:53] <llutz> lotuspsychje: problems with job-control but i'm not sure if that applies to the *buntu-version too
[09:54] <Ben64> lotuspsychje: why run stuff like that?
[09:54] <foo357_> Hello, what is the difference between <command1> ; <command2> and <command1> && <command2>
[09:54] <dr_willis> run this ; then this   vs
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> Ben64: we got several users on my machine, pretty handy to open a new firefox session for another user
[09:54] <dr_willis> run this     then this if it succedes
[09:54] <llutz> lotuspsychje: fyi http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=659878
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> !info sux
[09:55] <dr_willis> ; just runs them in order.  &&  is a tesr
[09:55] <dr_willis> test
[09:55] <Ben64> lotuspsychje: learn to gksudo :)
[09:55] <foo357_> dr_willis: hm yes I guessed so. What about performance, will && incur some penalty during the execution of command1?
[09:56] <lotuspsychje> Ben64: would gksudo open transmission for another user?
[09:56] <dr_willis> foo357_:  it still runs it the same way
[09:56] <Ben64> lotuspsychje: probably
[09:56] <myamore> very accurate soccer predictions here : http://tiny.cc/p6rbzw  ... amazing wins
[09:56] <DJones> myamore: Wrong channel
[09:57] <MonkeyDust> foo357_  with &&, the following command is executed, only if the previous has succeeded
[09:57] <hellrazor> hi there
[09:57] <sky__> 这里能打汉字么
[09:57] <DJones> !cn | sky__
[09:57] <hellrazor> where can i configure the xserver?
[09:57] <sky__> 好像可以哦。
[09:57] <foo357_> ok thanks for the answers dr_willis MonkeyDust
[09:57] <hellrazor> there is no xorg.conf in /etc/X11
[09:57] <dr_willis> hellrazor:  in what way? it auto configures for the most part
[09:58] <dr_willis> xorg.conf is optional
[09:58] <dr_willis> you can make one
[09:58] <myfineblacksteed> hey, so I have this folder with files name .r1 .r2 .r3 ... .r45 etc. If I was on windows I'd open one with 7zip and it would unpack the whole lot. If I try to do the same thing on ubuntu it just opens the one file. If I select all of them and press extract it just creates a shitton of folders. How would I go about unpacking this?
[09:58] <hellrazor> dr_willis, i give a damn fucking shit about autoconfiguring if my mouse is not wokring correctly
[09:58] <hellrazor> it's not optional its a must
[09:58] <Ben64> hellrazor: watch the attitude and language
[09:58] <DJones> hellrazor: Please mind the language, the channel has a no swearing policy
[09:59] <dr_willis> hellrazor:  that attitude will get you ignored
[09:59] <hellrazor> always pc...
[09:59] <hellrazor> jeah
[09:59] <hellrazor> whatever
[09:59] <hellrazor> i am gone disable hotplugging and making a static config
[10:00] <dr_willis> myfineblacksteed:  there are rar and unrar in the repos also
[10:00] <lotuspsychje> dr_willis: i solved it, i had to sux user transmission-gtk
[10:01] <dr_willis> lotuspsychje:  that is the gui   :-P
[10:01] <myfineblacksteed> dr_willis: I already have unrar
[10:01] <myfineblacksteed> dr_willis: it opens the files but not in the way I want. It opens them individually instead of creating one big file.
[10:02] <Ben64> myfineblacksteed: then use it on either the .rar or the .r01
[10:02] <myfineblacksteed> Ben64: use it how? Just right click on it an select "Extract Here"?
[10:03] <Ben64> myfineblacksteed: unrar is a command line program
[10:03] <myfineblacksteed> Ben64: and how would I use it then?
[10:04] <Ben64> man unrar to look at the manual
[10:05] <myfineblacksteed> Ben64: alright, thanks I guess
[10:05] <dr_willis> myfineblacksteed:  i recall unrar -e  foo.r1  worling befor
[10:06] <dr_willis> !info unp
[10:06] <lotuspsychje> dr_willis: does it unpack .001 files aswell?
[10:06] <dr_willis> multi part rars.. so old school. :-P   not seen those in ages
[10:07] <dr_willis> its just how rar is nameing them
[10:07] <myfineblacksteed> dr_willis: I'm a bit confused
[10:08] <dr_willis> rar should unpack them all then you unpack the first one
[10:08] <dr_willis> they are parts if one big archive
[10:08] <lotuspsychje> dr_willis: i used lxsplit for .001 files
[10:09] <dr_willis> then you may need to join them
[10:09] <dr_willis> rar has its own split feature
[10:09] <myfineblacksteed> I think I did it
[10:10] <myfineblacksteed> there was one .rar file there, and so I just typed unrar e foo.rar
[10:10] <dr_willis> bbl.
[10:11] <adamek12> hello
[10:12] <kilonux> Help! ubuntu12.04  recognize my HP deskjet 840 C printer, says it does the job but just don't print anything. Installed new HPLIP drivers and done a lot of search.
[10:12] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> kilonex: did you attach the usb cable?
[10:12] <kilonux> This printer works well with 10.04
[10:12] <pjv> Question: dpkg monitors /etc config files for changes. This is referred to as 'conffiles'. As a user, how can I add my own files/paths to be monitored?
[10:12] <kilonux> I say it recognize the printer
[10:12] <ikonia> pjv: it doesn't monitor
[10:13] <lotuspsychje> kilonux: does it add a print job with hplip?
[10:13] <kilonux> yes
[10:13] <pjv> ikonia, when updating a package, it will prompt you to go ahead and overwrite or not (dpkg-old, dpkg-dist ...)
[10:14] <ikonia> ok, so not monitoring, but checks for differences at upgrade time
[10:14] <pjv> I have some changed files of my own that I would like to get a prompt for
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> kilonux: did you try a print test page, with the device itself?
[10:14] <pjv> so they don't get overwritten each time
[10:14] <kilonux> yes
[10:15] <kilonux> hplip says it does the job, but
[10:15] <lotuspsychje> kilonux: thats odd indeed
[10:15] <kilonux> crazy
[10:16] <pjv> Is there a way to do this? I'm looking at dpkg-divert right now
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> kilonux: is your device a scanner aswell?
[10:17] <kilonux> nope
[10:19] <lotuspsychje> kilonux: maybe you need the driver from hp site
[10:19] <kilonux> did it
[10:21] <dn5> hey guys
[10:21] <lotuspsychje> kilonux: how about latest hplip download?
[10:21] <lotuspsychje> !info hplip
[10:22] <lotuspsychje> kilonux: http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/gethplip.html
[10:22] <kilonux> hplip 3.13.6
[10:23] <dn5> anyone willing to help me about main menu
[10:23] <joe_evans> '
[10:23] <dn5> any app that I install does not appear in menu
[10:23] <MonkeyDust> dn5  start with a question
[10:24] <lotuspsychje> kilonux: http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/deskjet/deskjet_840c.html
[10:24] <pjv> ikonia, ok, well, dpkg-divert seems to the tool
[10:24] <dn5> for example, I aptitude irssi, and everything is finished, I can fire it up over terminal, but the application(Irssi) is not shown in main menu
[10:24] <pjv> cheers
[10:24] <dn5> I also tried adding application to main menu over menu editor, and typing 'Irssi' but it does not recognize it like it's not installed at all.
[10:25] <llutz> dn5: irssi needs a terminal to run
[10:25] <dakotawulfy> dn5 what desktop you using ?
[10:25] <MonkeyDust> dn5  it's because irssi is a terminal command, which is not showed as stand alone app
[10:25] <dn5> Oh.. so :)
[10:25] <BluesKaj> irssi has no GUI , dn5
[10:26] <dn5> But I though creating a shortcut which will fire up irssi in terminal
[10:26] <BluesKaj> open a terminal type irssi
[10:26] <kilonux> lotuspsychje:  Thanx, maybe I'll find things there....
[10:26] <lotuspsychje> dn5: you can create an irssi startup launcher from terminal
[10:26] <dn5> I know irssi is not GUI :>
[10:26] <dakotawulfy> dn5  make a link and open it in the terminal from the link add it to the menu
[10:26] <dn5> one second please
[10:26] <lotuspsychje> dn5: i recently created one for links2 to open a terminal with google
[10:27] <MonkeyDust> i have an alias to run irssi in screen
[10:27]  * BluesKaj shakes his head , it's so difficult to type irssi ...
[10:27] <dn5> could I, for example, create a launcher with type "Application in terminal" :>
[10:27] <S_Dis> i had some questions with ubuntu-network that always Error!
[10:27] <lotuspsychje> dn5: yes
[10:27] <MonkeyDust> BluesKaj  it's the double ss that may be confusing :p
[10:28] <dn5> let me check
[10:28] <BluesKaj> MonkeyDust, , no doubt :)
[10:28] <dn5> yep, works great. How could I not remember this :>
[10:29] <lotuspsychje> !yay | dn5
[10:29] <dn5> hehe :> One more question
[10:30] <dn5> sorry but I have to ask
[10:30] <dn5> My connection is very low when I fire up computer, I'm using Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
[10:31] <MonkeyDust> dn5  10.04 desktop? if yes: it's !eol
[10:31] <dn5> I connect on wireless but the connection drop to 2 lines and the router is 3 meters far away.
[10:31] <lotuspsychje> dn5: we highly recommend you clean install newer version
[10:32] <lotuspsychje> dn5: (see topic)
[10:32] <dn5> I do agree lotuspsychje but I'm familiar with 9.04 so I switched to 10.04 LTS because they are very similar
[10:33] <MonkeyDust> dn5  but 10.04 for the desktop is dead, no longer supported or maintained
[10:33] <lotuspsychje> dn5: as MonkeyDust says its !eol for security reasons
[10:33] <dn5> !eol
[10:33] <dn5> ah.. :(
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> dn5: you can always install gnome fallback on newer ubuntu versions with unity
[10:35] <dn5> I know but I hate installing new environemnt, for me it's seems like creating own distro.
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> dn5: things have been simplified alot for you to install mate
[10:35] <dakotawulfy> yea but unity is not gnome 3 and a lot of people don't like new stuff
[10:35] <dn5> I don't know. I would like to stay with 10.04. I do understand it's not good and there are security flaws but...
[10:35] <MonkeyDust> dn5  http://regmedia.co.uk/2013/03/24/ubuntu_release_cycle.jpg
[10:36] <lotuspsychje> dn5: we cannot support eol versions sorry
[10:36] <dn5> ouch :(
[10:37] <dn5> thank you anyway for your time guys
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> dn5: better go with 12.04 LTS then with gnome classic on it (if you want similar feeling)
[10:38] <dn5> Yeah.. I think that could be final option. But damn.. I did a reinstallation yesterday, installed everything I need.
[10:39] <MonkeyDust> dn5  it's easy to upgrade from LTS to LTS
[10:39] <dn5> Bad, bad destiny.
[10:39] <S_Dis> .
[10:40] <roger21> how do i manually install a newer unsupported package, is it a dpkg -i <my newer package> ? and how do i reverse to the stable state
[10:40] <ikonia> roger21: whoaaa do'nt do that
[10:40] <ikonia> roger21: mixing package versions is a bad idea
[10:40] <dn5> conkyrc
[10:40] <ikonia> and forcing it with dpkg without matching dependencies will end bad
[10:40] <dn5> conky
[10:40] <dn5> lol
[10:40] <roger21> hmpf
[10:40] <dn5> wrong terminal
[10:41] <roger21> slighly newer like the 5th number
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> roger21: you will need the old deb
[10:41] <ikonia> roger21: yes, like the 5th number, also bad
[10:41] <ikonia> roger21: what do you want to upgrade and why ?
[10:41] <jcadduono> i sort of have a drive dying on a raid0 array, is there anything i can do to reduce the filesystem to the length of the remaining drives and sync them together to take out the faulty :(
[10:42] <roger21> well anyway i don't want to crash my system, i just want to troobleshot some bug
[10:42] <berryciderspider> guys is ubuntu server better than desktop if im running nginx, gunicorn, off it?
[10:42] <berryciderspider> postgres also
[10:42] <ikonia> berryciderspider: not really
[10:42] <ikonia> jcadduono: get data off those disks now
[10:43] <roger21> i wanted to ty that https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnutls26/+bug/937537 to know if it is the same issue
[10:44] <ikonia> roger21: if thats got a fix released it should be in the repo
[10:44] <roger21> so it is fixed... well not for me
[10:45] <ikonia> roger21: have you installed the package with the fix released
[10:45] <roger21> i'm up2date
[10:45] <ikonia> roger21: that's not what I asked
[10:45] <ne0h> hello all
[10:45] <jcadduono> ikonia: is only thing i can do dd entire raid array to another drive? then how would i get the data back to the remaining drives?
[10:45] <ne0h> am trying to copy some files of about 1gb into my flash
[10:45] <ikonia> jcadduono: you don't - you have a raid stripe (bad idea) so you have no reduncency, and the slightest problem and ALL your data is gone
[10:45] <ne0h> and it is saying 8hours
[10:45] <Layke> Can someone clarify something about unix sockets?... Mainly what is the difference between a socket and just using a host and port? I'm using nginx to proxy pass fcgi requests to PHP, and some uses host:port and some examples use socket. (My nginx is running on a different host to PHP)
[10:46] <ikonia> jcadduono: back up the data now, and replace the failing disk, rebuild the raid array, then put the data back
[10:46] <ne0h> am trying to copy some files of about 1gb into my flash and it is saying 8hours
[10:46] <jcadduono> i can back up the data but how would i put it back?
[10:46] <ikonia> ne0h: you've just said that
[10:46] <roger21> ikonia, what is the package with the fix released?
[10:46] <ikonia> jcadduono: back it up - copy it of to a difference device, any way you want
[10:46] <ikonia> roger21: should be listed in the bug
[10:47] <ne0h> ikonia, i thought you wanted to help
[10:47] <jcadduono> ikonia, you aren't understanding me, i did back it up, but how will i rebuild the raid array in a way that i can transfer it back to a raid?
[10:47] <ikonia> ne0h: I've not said anything to help/not help.
[10:47] <roger21> do you see it?
[10:47] <ikonia> roger21: I've not looked
[10:47] <ne0h> ikonia, so why caution me
[10:47] <roger21> i don't see it
[10:47] <ne0h> please stay on your lane abeg
[10:47] <ikonia> ne0h: because you don't need to saw the same thing over and over
[10:48] <ikonia> jcadduono: is it software/fake/hardware raid ?
[10:48] <ne0h> ikonia, rest abeg ishi nma
[10:48] <ikonia> ne0h: please talkin english in this channel
[10:48] <jcadduono> ikonia: sw raid
[10:48] <ikonia> jcadduono: as in mdadm?
[10:48] <jcadduono> aye
[10:49] <ikonia> jcadduono: ok, so basically, destory the raid array, and re-make it with a working disk in place of the faulty one
[10:49] <roger21> can somebody know how to read a bug on lunchpad https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnutls26/+bug/937537 ?
[10:49] <ikonia> roger21: what version of ubuntu are you using
[10:49] <roger21> 12.04
[10:50] <jcadduono> ikonia: no can do, no replacement disk, can i somehow generate a new raid array from remaining disks and dd the partitions from old raid to that?
[10:50] <ikonia> roger21: ok, so that fix should be in pangolin, it's not there according to you so you need tofeed back on it
[10:50] <ikonia> jcadduono: no
[10:50] <ne0h> ikonia, thats english dude
[10:50] <ikonia> jcadduono: you need to delete the array, and re-create it
[10:50] <roger21> k
[10:50] <ikonia> 11:48 < ne0h> ikonia, rest abeg ishi nma
[10:51] <ikonia> ne0h: that is not english
[10:51] <roger21> done already
[10:51] <ikonia> roger21: "feed back" on it sorry
[10:51] <ikonia> typo
[10:51] <ikonia> roger21: out of interest, what version of the package is current in 12.04
[10:52] <roger21> 2.12.14-5ubuntu3.4
[10:52] <ikonia> roger21: the fix is in 2.20 - whih has only just been released to raring
[10:52] <ikonia> roger21: look at comment 20 in the bug report
[10:52] <roger21> so it is not fixed
[10:53] <roger21> wil it be ?
[10:53] <Peyam> what is the problem?
[10:53] <ikonia> roger21: not in the 12.04 package, the fix released is for raring in the 2.20 package
[10:53] <ikonia> roger21: can't see it being fixed as it's not assigned to anyone so no-one is working on it
[10:53] <roger21> but they talk about precise, they won't fix it for the lts?????
[10:53] <ikonia> roger21: no-one is talking about precise
[10:53] <ne0h> ikonia, dont worry then do you have any ans to my question
[10:54] <ne0h> am trying to copy some files of about 1gb into my flash and it is saying 8hours
[10:54] <ikonia> roger21: they are saying the fix came in at 2.16,
[10:56] <roger21> ikonia, how do you read this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnutls26/+bug/1095052
[10:57] <roger21> is it fixed ? is it released ? is it for precise ?
[10:57] <Ubunutu> Hello can someone point me to the openwrt channel?
[10:57] <DJones> !alis | Ubunutu
[10:57] <Peyam> ikonia: what is the speed og your flash?
[10:57] <Peyam> f
[10:57] <ikonia> Peyam: what ?
[10:58] <ikonia> roger21: looks like a fix is in the backports repo
[10:58] <Peyam> ikonia: I saw your said it took 8 hours to move files to your flash
[10:58] <Peyam> what is the speed of your flash?
[10:58] <ikonia> roger21: which in my view is a disgracful approach
[10:58] <ikonia> Peyam: I don't have a problem, it's ne0h that does
[10:58] <Peyam> okej okej sorry
[10:58] <ikonia> roger21: reading the bug report it looks like a sloppy attempt to fix it
[10:59] <ponbiki> o u
[10:59] <roger21> i don't see it http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=precise-backports&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=libgnutls26
[10:59] <ikonia> roger21: comment 14 says it's in proposed
[11:00] <ikonia> roger21: the 2.12.14-5ubuntu3.2 package
[11:00] <ikonia> ahhh wait, comment 15 says differnt
[11:00] <roger21> but i'm 2.12.14-5ubuntu3.4 anyway
[11:01] <ikonia> roger21: 5ubuntu3.3 is supposed to fix it
[11:01] <roger21> so is it fixed
[11:01] <ikonia> roger21: according to that bug yes,
[11:01] <roger21> k
[11:17] <zipy> can i use a local proxy from outside via ssh too or do i need vpn?
[11:17] <ikonia> you can proxy anything you want
[11:18] <zipy> i got squid3 to work now but i only allowed local network
[11:18] <ikonia> thats because you've setup the acl's lke that
[11:18] <ikonia> like
[11:18] <zipy> yes but i want to keep it like that
[11:18] <zipy> so i could use a vpn tunnel to use it
[11:18] <ikonia> then how do you expect to use it externally
[11:19] <zipy> vpn tunnel should work or not?
[11:19] <zipy> but im thinking of using ssh if its possible
[11:19] <ikonia> sorry, sounds a stupid soltion, and as I said to you yesterday you are not makingyourself anonymous and you are trying to hide something that dosn't need to be hid
[11:19] <ikonia> that's up to you
[11:21] <zipy> why, its working now and routed throuh tor too
[11:21] <ikonia> great, so problem solved
[11:21] <ikonia> zipy@dslb-092-072-219-027.pools.arcor-ip.net
[11:21] <ikonia> doesn't look like it's working through tor
[11:21] <zipy> yes but i can only access from network
[11:22] <zipy> cuz i didnt connect irc through it ^^
[11:22] <ActionParsnip> zipy: I use an SSH tunnel to squid for web access from work :)
[11:22] <zipy> i just need it to access tor network or for some blocked services
[11:23] <zipy> ok i guess i dont need to install a vpn server then
[11:23] <zipy> thats what i wanted to know :D
[11:24] <zipy> the only difference is that i have to configure all applications seperatly to connect via ssh tunnel right?
[11:25] <zipy> while in vpn doesnt
[11:25] <zipy> -in
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> zipy: you can set an OS wide proxy to use localhost:someport as the proxy
[11:27] <zipy> ikonia, i guess freenode doesnt accept connections from tor :P
[11:27] <zipy> it says ip is banned, i tried :P
[11:28] <zipy> [13:26] == You are banned from this server- Your tor exit node must not allow connections to freenode (tor exit node (chat.freenode.net:443)).  Email tor-kline@freenode.net when corrected. (2013/6/28 06.26)
[11:28] <ActionParsnip> zipy: ssh -L someport:server.lan.ip.here:3128 user@WAN.IP.here.dude -X
[11:28] <zipy> thx ill try
[11:28] <ActionParsnip> zipy: assuming you have squid running on 3128
[11:28] <DJones> zipy: You should check in #freenode about whether Tor can be used for the freenode network, somebody there should be able to point you in the right direction
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> zipy: then point apps to localhost:someport and it will go down the tunnel and hit squid then go out to the web from there
[11:29] <zipy> well i dont need it for irc anyways
[11:30] <JamJams> Hi I just upgraded my server to ubuntu 10.04.4 however my MySQL version is still 5.1.69 how do I get it to upgrade to 5.5.
[11:30] <Guest81169> -!- help
[11:30] <JamJams> The website states that after 10.04 it should go to 5.5
[11:30] <ActionParsnip> JamJams: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:31] <zipy> ikonia, btw the squid.con from yesterday was good, i just had to downgrade my phyton from 2.7x to 2.6.6
[11:31] <zipy> it seemed to have some trouble
[11:31] <JamJams> ActionParsnip 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> JamJams: check the apt-cache search to check versions
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> JamJams: run:  sudo apt-get update ,first
[11:32] <DJones> JamJams: Looking at packages.ubuntu.com, it looks like 5.1.69 is the latest for 10.04
[11:32] <vnc786> i was trying to remove LO 3.5 so i did apt-get purge libre* but it uninstalled many others thing including apt-get full report here http://pastebin.com/CWHrw10y
[11:32] <vnc786> how do i recover it
[11:32] <JamJams> ActionParsnip I did
[11:32] <JamJams> "As of Ubuntu 12.04, MySQL 5.5 is installed by default. Whilst this is 100% compatible with MySQL 5.1 should you need to install 5.1 (for example to be a slave to other MySQL 5.1 servers) you can install the mysql-server-5.1 package instead."
[11:33] <JamJams> Source: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/mysql.html
[11:33] <DJones> JamJams: You said you're using 10.04, that comment is for Ubuntu 12.04
[11:33] <ActionParsnip> vnc786: in future, use less ambiguos globs.
[11:33] <ActionParsnip> vnc786: sudo apt-get --purge remove libreoffice*    is more exact
[11:34] <ActionParsnip> vnc786: reinstall the ubuntu-desktop package
[11:34] <JamJams> DJones - I'm blind... Darn it...
[11:34] <DJones> JamJams: Easily done
[11:35] <vnc786> ActionParsnip: but i am not getting apt-get(command not found) and Ubuntu Software Center
[11:37] <ActionParsnip> vnc786: download the deb for apt-get and install it using dpkg (you may need to satisfy deps) then you can use apt-get
[11:37] <dtonal> Hi, does an Ubuntu live-system on usb any changes on the installed os at the used computer? the it-people of my university dont allow me to use the ubuntu-live system on the public computers, because it would change stuff on the original os...
[11:37] <ActionParsnip> dtonal: it can if you want, by default it does not touch it
[11:38] <zipy> except of the bootloader :D
[11:38] <zipy> ah no
[11:38] <vnc786> ActionParsnip: also i have uninstalled unity completely and i am using lxde (apt-get install lxde) so does ubuntu-desktop will bring unity ..
[11:38] <zipy> live system doesnt at all
[11:38] <DJones> dtonal: Unless you instruct it to, no it shouldn't make any changes to an installed os
[11:39] <zipy> lxde doesnt work with unity but u can still choose between ubuntu desktop and lxde at login
[11:39] <ActionParsnip> vnc786: you could reinstall he lxde package and it will install what is needed that is missing
[11:39] <ActionParsnip> zipy: sure it does
[11:40] <zipy> lxde + unity?
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> zipy: unity is nothing but a shell, so you can run lxde as the DE and use unity as a shell on top
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> zipy: whever would it not work?
[11:40] <dtonal> ok, thanks for your answers. think i have to discuss with the it-stuff of the university :)
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> zipy: you can even use Compiz on its own as a standalone WM and run Unity. No desktop like those who use fluxbox / openbox on its own (like me)
[11:41] <rypervenche> dtonal: They'll probably still have a problem with it, but I would just use it anyways. There may be an issue with the networking though.
[11:41] <ikonia> ActionParsnip: have you ever actually done that ?
[11:42] <ActionParsnip> ikonia: done which?
[11:42] <ikonia> ActionParsnip: compiz on it's own as the window manager
[11:42] <zipy> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2095021
[11:42] <zipy> u have to replace openbox
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> ikonia: sure http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=2827
[11:43] <ikonia> ActionParsnip: you've tried it ?
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> ikonia: yeah was ok, prefer openbox
[11:44] <ikonia> ActionParsnip: interesting, I've never seen that run on it's own.
[11:44] <zipy> hmm well i wont try that on my eee ^^
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> zipy: yes but openbox is not lxde
[11:44] <zipy> k
[11:44] <zipy> thought so cuz its in lubuntu
[11:45] <ActionParsnip> zipy: you can install any WM in lubuntu you want....
[11:45] <zipy> ye but i dont think it makes sense on my slow eee
[11:45] <ActionParsnip> zipy: i dont think you quite grasp how flexible your OS is
[11:46] <MonkWitDaFunk> Zipy, your linux desktop enviroment can be changed
[11:47] <MonkWitDaFunk> I learned about the linux desktop enviroment from linux.about.com
[11:52] <zipy> is it possible to use 2 destkop environments who both use different default aplications like nautilus openbox etc?
[11:52] <zipy> that would be interesting
[11:53] <zipy> for example when i use lxde default window manager should use openbox and when i choose unity nautilus..
[11:53] <zipy> atm i got dualboot ubuntu and lubuntu
[11:54] <auronandace> zipy: nautilus is a file manager
[11:54] <auronandace> zipy: unity uses compiz as window manager
[11:54] <zipy> oh i just translated it word by word
[11:54] <zipy> i mean file manager
[11:55] <auronandace> zipy: lxde uses pcmanfm as file manager
[11:55] <usr13> zipy: openbox is a stand alone Window Manager
[11:55] <usr13> zipy: lxde is a Desktop Environment
[11:56] <zipy> yes
[11:56] <zipy> if i install two enviroments, i want different applications to use at default
[11:56] <usr13> Unity is a Desktop Environment (Desktop Environments require a Window Manager to stand on).
[11:56] <zipy> is that possible?
[11:56] <dn5> is it possible to transfer most of the tools form kali linux on ubuntu?
[11:56] <usr13> zipy: But yes, you can install as many as you like.
[11:57] <usr13> dn5: What tools?
[11:57] <dn5> used fot pentesting
[11:57] <auronandace> usr13: unity is a shell for the gnome 3 desktop environment
[11:57] <usr13> dn5: Can you name any of them?
[11:57] <dn5> there are a lot of them :>
[11:57] <ActionParsnip> usr13: unity is a shell, gnome is the desktop environment
[11:57] <dn5> can't name that much
[11:57] <rypervenche> dn5: Packages? Scripts?
[11:57] <DJones> dn5: If the tools are in the repo's then yes, but bear in mind that kali is based on Debian and not Ubuntu so there's a chance that some won't be in the Ubuntu repo's
[11:57] <zipy> hmm
[11:57] <dn5> mostly scripts; perl, python, ruby
[11:58] <zipy> well i will just try it out
[11:58] <usr13> zipy: Ok, I stand corrected, gnome is the desktop environment, unity is a shell of it.
[11:58] <zipy> on vm tho :P
[11:58] <Captain_Proton> can someone give me there /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf ? I move from kde to unity and mine is still tring to login to kde-desktop
[11:58] <rypervenche> dn5: You shouldn't have any problem then.
[11:58] <zipy> hehe
[11:58] <dn5> DJones, I will probably add repositorys that kali use
[11:58] <dn5> but do I have to update kernel
[11:58] <dn5> because I'm not familiar with that
[11:58] <usr13> zipy: So you have unity on top of gnome on top of compiz
[11:59] <DJones> dn5: Thats not something that would be supported in the Ubuntu channels, you're probably best asking in the kali support channel about that, mixing repo's could well cause breakages
[11:59] <dn5> thats what I'm actually afraid of
[11:59] <usr13> zipy: You have unity on top of gnome on top of compiz on top of X.  Openbox is just on top of X
[12:00] <iShootUDie175> dn5 if you dud that then i imagine you might run into troubles
[12:00] <iShootUDie175> such ask kernel updates
[12:00] <iShootUDie175> might overide your ubuntu setup
[12:00] <zipy> unity on top of gnome on top of compiz on top of X
[12:00] <zipy> thats pretty stupid ^^
[12:00] <dn5> Yep, I guess that is right iShoot
[12:01] <iShootUDie175> iv lookt into that idea
[12:01] <usr13> zipy: That is a matter of opinion
[12:01] <zipy> i like unity tho
[12:01] <zipy> but for my netbook it sux
[12:01] <dn5> hm. Perl is automatically installed on Ubuntu, right?
[12:01] <usr13> Unity is nice, but I use xfce
[12:02] <vnc786> ActionParsnip: i would like to request you can you provide me command to remove ":amd64 (3.4.1-0ubuntu2.1)"  from  gnomine:amd64 (3.4.1-0ubuntu2.1)
[12:02] <zipy> i used xfce too but not lxde
[12:02] <zipy> .not +now
[12:02] <zipy> -not +now
[12:02] <dn5> I can't execute sudo apt-get install perl
[12:03] <usr13> dn5: Perl is a default app yes.
[12:03] <usr13> dn5: What is it you are trying to do.
[12:03] <usr13> >?
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> vnc786: so cut after the colon?
[12:04] <dn5> I'm trying to download pentesting tools one by one; the one I use the most
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> vnc786: the guys in #bash will know a trick or two
[12:05] <rypervenche> Good luck there.
[12:05] <vnc786> ActionParsnip: http://pastebin.com/CWHrw10y  i am trying to remove lot  of from this i remember something sed{a-b}
[12:06] <vnc786> okay trying bash
[12:06] <zipy> dn5 why dont u use backtrack
[12:07] <dn5> I did use it for some time, not backtrack but kali thus they are almost same but these distros are not used for long-use but LiveCD runtime
[12:08] <zipy> but u want to move from kali to ubuntu and install all the pen tests?
[12:08] <zipy> backtrack is on ubuntu + gnome or kde already
[12:08] <usr13> dn5: If you use command  sudo apt-get install perl*   you will probably see that perl is already installed.
[12:08] <zipy> doesnt perl --version work?
[12:09] <zipy> k it works
[12:09] <zipy> :P
[12:10] <dn5> zipy: I already switched to Ubuntu yesterday. Now I want to transfer some tools (not all) on Ubuntu that I usually use for pentesting and reverse engineering. Backtrack is a bit older then kali linux and they are produced by same company - offensive security. usr13; yep I just checked.
[12:10] <Greylocks> which perl will work also as well as just trying to run perl
[12:11] <usr13> dn5: Actually, a better way is:   ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/perl*list
[12:11] <Kartagis> ikonia: are you there?
[12:11] <dn5> yep.. I have perl-base list, perl-modules.list and perl.list
[12:11] <dn5> Seems Perl is installed.
[12:12] <usr13> dn5: Install them by name,  (they will be in Ubuntu's standard repositories, and some you prolly already have).
[12:12] <ikonia> Kartagis: yes ?
[12:12] <Captain_Proton> can someone give me there /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf ? I move from kde to unity and mine is still tring to login to kde-desktop
[12:12] <dn5> I don't think so. Maybe a few of them would be in ubuntus default repositorys, like nmap.. but other one, wpscan etc etc aren't there. usr13.
[12:12] <Kartagis> ikonia: remember I had a smb problem?
[12:13] <Kartagis> dreadful, dreadful one
[12:13] <dn5> I'm afraid just because of kernel (2.6.32-48-generic)
[12:13] <dn5> I don't know will it support these tools that I need
[12:13] <usr13> dn5: You can browse /var/lib/dpkg/info/ to see what you have installed.  i.e.  ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/*list | less   #That way, you can do key-word-search
[12:14] <usr13> dn5: What kernel do you have now?
[12:14] <dn5> yes, I do know that. I'm not that unfamiliar with dpkg :>
[12:14] <shimato507> hello everyone
[12:14] <usr13> dn5: uname -r
[12:14] <shimato507> good day
[12:14] <dn5> @usr13 2.6.32
[12:14] <dn5> ain't it uname -a? :P
[12:14] <shimato507> does anyone know how to solve the youtube problem in XUBUNTU??
[12:15] <usr13> dn5: lsb_release -r   #Show us.
[12:15] <dn5> @shimato507, which one?
[12:15] <auronandace> dn5: are you running 10.04?
[12:15] <dn5> one second
[12:15] <usr13> auronandace: Must be....
[12:15] <BluesKaj> dn5, just the nick, @ isn't required on irc
[12:15] <dn5> auronandace yes I do
[12:16]  * mamtina has quit (Read error: Operation timed out) :3
[12:16] <auronandace> dn5: 10.04 is only supported on server now
[12:16] <shimato507> when open youtube in xubuntu with mozilla or chrome the videos are distortion with sound, i already verify that the video card driver are ok since i can play dvd
[12:16] <Kartagis> BluesKaj: plus, some IRC clients don't capture that and highlight
[12:16] <dn5> I know, I had to upgrade to higher version but I don't like new (KDE) look. I'm familiar with Gnome and I also don't like installing new environemnts
[12:16] <zipy> shimato507, did u install other videoplayers ?
[12:16] <Kartagis> dn5: you too
[12:16] <usr13> dn5: You should upgrade to 12.04  if it is a desktop, 12.04 is the current LTS for Desktop.
[12:17] <usr13> dn5: How about xfce?
[12:17] <MonkeyDust> dn5  we can not help, if you run 10.04 on the desktop
[12:17] <dn5> shimato507, have you tried updating flash player or do a full reinstall of it
[12:17] <Kartagis> shimato507: try joining the html5 trial
[12:17] <shimato507> i have minitube and all is ok there, but with youtube directly has the mentioned problem
[12:17] <Kartagis> shimato507: www.youtube.com/html5
[12:17] <zipy> i had that same problem with flash too in lubuntu
[12:17] <usr13> dn5: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://xubuntu.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/precise_01.png&imgrefurl=http://xubuntu.org/screenshots/&h=768&w=1024&sz=329&tbnid=3DkZZM159dj8_M:&tbnh=92&tbnw=123&zoom=1&usg=__K7BY9jXcrEAjCExcgV14AWvQCvE=&docid=BvU54jmDLaUqMM&sa=X&ei=2X7NUcTFA-LfyAH1mYHoDA&ved=0CD0Q9QEwAg&dur=861
[12:18] <dn5> usr13, xfce-no thank you. fluxbox was somehow ok when I was younger. Now only gnome. For how long will be 12.04 updated, to which year?
[12:18] <usr13> dn5: You can use gnome.
[12:18] <auronandace> dn5: supported until 2017
[12:18] <shimato507> since i am kind of newby (*sorry) havent try to reinstall flash player
[12:19] <shimato507> thank you for pointing me on the right direction, i will search on how to do this and try this solution,
[12:19] <ddssc> how in the actual name of FUCK do i change my goddamn .sh file access rights so I can actually run it? ...
[12:19] <usr13> !nounity | dn5
[12:19] <saiarcot895> !launguage | ddssc
[12:20] <ddssc> sudo chmod g+rwx <foo> doesn't do the trick..
[12:20] <dn5> thank you usr13
[12:20] <shimato507> WOW , this community is amazing
[12:20] <dn5> Will I have to do a full reinstallation or I can just upgrade
[12:20] <usr13> dn5: If you are set to lts you can just upgrade.
[12:20] <dn5> and which kernel is 12.04
[12:20] <saiarcot895> ddssc: can you right-click on the file and go to Properties?
[12:20] <zipy> shimato507, does it work now?
[12:20] <saiarcot895> ddssc: then, go to the permissions tab
[12:20] <dn5> yes, currently 10.04 lts
[12:21] <auronandace> !info linux-image precise | dn5
[12:21] <ddssc> saiarcot895: it reverts back when I click "allow to run as program" checkbox...
[12:21] <saiarcot895> ddssc: are you on an ext4 partition or NTFS partition
[12:21] <shimato507> let me try, i'll let you know in a second
[12:22] <ddssc> saiarcot895: aaah yes, that's it is it... damn hw I forgot that... thanks
[12:22] <usr13> dn5: cat /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades   #See if it says  Prompt=lts
[12:22] <usr13> If so, you are good to go.
[12:22] <ddssc> saiarcot895: you know of a way I can make ntfs drives behave like linux drives ?
[12:22] <usr13> dn5: Just use the updage-manager
[12:22] <dn5> yes, as I said it's lts;
[12:23] <dn5> # ....
[12:23] <dn5> Prompt=lts
[12:23] <saiarcot895> ddssc: I believe you have to specially mount the partition
[12:23]  * saiarcot895 goes to google
[12:23] <ddssc> saiarcot895: isn't it already mounted since I'm accessing it?
[12:23] <saiarcot895> ddssc: it is
[12:23] <dn5> usr13 could I choose which version to upgrade to
[12:24] <dn5> Or it's automatically to latest version
[12:24] <MonkeyDust> dn5  but your lts is no longer supported
[12:24] <dn5> I know thats why I want to upgrade
[12:24] <saiarcot895> ddssc: you will have to unmount it and mount it through Terminal
[12:24] <ddssc> saiarcot895: any docu on that?
[12:24] <usr13> dn5: When it is set to lts it will automatically upgrade to 12.04
[12:24] <dn5> hmm let me try
[12:25] <dn5> I won't loose any stuff as it's only an upgrade and not a reinstallation, right?
[12:25] <usr13> dn5: but you should be fully updated first.
[12:25] <zipy> stop clicking all the time, ur file is in drive c in documents folder... secret service
[12:25] <laurel> has anyone been to tld6.com
[12:25] <DJones> saiarcot895: HOw do you mean "make ntfs drives behave like linux drives"? Do you mean file permissions etc?
[12:25] <laurel> does anyone know a free hosting website
[12:25] <dn5> usr13 what do you mean?
[12:25] <usr13> dn5: Get 10.04 fully updated first, and then do the Distribution Upgrade to 12.04
[12:25] <dn5> aha
[12:25] <saiarcot895> DJones: yes, primarily in terms of the file execute permission
[12:26] <dn5> I will do so.
[12:26] <saiarcot895> DJones: ddssc: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12724960/cant-change-allow-executing-file-as-program-in-ntfs#comment17186835_12725086
[12:26] <shimato507> It still the same problem even after apply and use the html5 trial
[12:26] <DJones> saiarcot895: NTFS doesn't support execute permissions
[12:26] <usr13> dn5: Do all updates first.  From command line you can do  sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:26] <shimato507> can i use terminal to reinstal or fix flash?
[12:26] <saiarcot895> DJones: ddssc: that comment seems to describe how to launch it with full execute permissions
[12:26] <DJones> saiarcot895: Maybe have a look at http://askubuntu.com/questions/5069/cant-set-permissions-for-files-on-an-ntfs-partition
[12:27] <dn5> usr13 - 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgrade
[12:27] <dn5> I think my current 10.04 lts is up to date
[12:27] <zipy> shimato507, sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[12:28] <ikonia> Kartagis: not off the top of my head, now
[12:28] <rypervenche> ubottu: 10.04 | dn5
[12:28] <dn5> rypervenche I know. I'm updating my system right now to 12.04
[12:29] <Kartagis> ikonia: I got permission denied when I tried to write. anyway, just want to fill you in. it seems cifs-utils has a bug
[12:29] <shimato507> it said:  "flashplugin-installer is already the newest version"
[12:29] <auronandace> dn5: it would likely be more straightforward to simply fresh install 12.04
[12:29] <dn5> shimato507 remove the old version.
[12:29] <dn5> Nah ..
[12:29] <shimato507> i have try this: sudo apt-get reinstall flashplugin-nonfree<-- is it posible?
[12:30] <dn5> no
[12:30] <dn5> use
[12:30] <dn5> sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-nonfree
[12:30] <zipy>  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:30] <cfhowlett> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:31] <dn5> usr13, I'm upgrading my distro to 12.04 lts, do I have to close all apps?
[12:32] <shimato507> Note, selecting 'flashplugin-installer' instead of 'flashplugin-nonfree'
[12:32] <shimato507> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[12:33] <ikonia> Kartagis: apologies, I don't remember
[12:33] <usr13> dn5: Not really, but I wound't do anything that uses a lot of resources.
[12:33] <dn5> shimato507 I would advice you to use synaptic incase you are not familiar with command line or you are new to linux.
[12:33] <DJones> dn5: You shouldn't need to close apps, the upgrade should carry on in the background, although things will likely slow down & eventually, something may stop working
[12:33] <zipy> u had 2 flash players installed?
[12:33] <dn5> Thank you both; usr13 DJones
[12:34] <Captain_Proton> Please can someone throw there /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf up and pastebin
[12:35] <dn5> I hope so that this upgrade will repair my connection problem that I have to setup everytime I run my notebook
[12:35] <Kartagis> ikonia: no sweat
[12:35] <MonkeyDust> Captain_Proton  http://paste.ubuntu.com/5807652/
[12:35] <shimato507> i am really new on linux, i'll try the synaptic option, thank you and apologize
[12:36] <jdu> Is it possible to create a deb package for Ubuntu 12.04 while on 13.04? Or do I have to do create the package on 12.04. I'm building a QT5 application and I need to port it to 12.04 when I developed it on 13.04, is this possible? Any help appreciated.
[12:36] <dn5> shomato507 You will get familiar with it in a mather of minutes.
[12:37] <dn5> jdu while I was on Windows I had to use remote machiens and set them up so I can compile on them. Not sure about linux thus I don't think that it matters.
[12:37] <MonkeyDust> jdu  in a chroot maybe https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot
[12:38] <Captain_Proton> MonkeyDust: Thanks! is there any more? I resaon I ask is that what I have in my lightdm.conf but when I try to log in it trys to start the desktop but kicks me back out the logon screen
[12:38] <krq> Hi
[12:38] <MonkeyDust> Captain_Proton  i had that too, it turned my HDD was 100% full after a failed file recovery
[12:38] <MonkeyDust> turned out*
[12:39] <berryciderspider> guys i know im on the ubuntu channel, but what do you think about centos for the server? I love ubuntu for desktop, but heard cent is pretty good for a server. what do you think?
[12:39] <auronandace> berryciderspider: ask in ##linux
[12:39] <krq> Sorry, a silly question but isnt it possible to add a desktop shortcut in ubuntu 12.04.
[12:39] <dylan__> Hello. Appearently my global language is set to German. Whee can I change this? :P
[12:39] <DJones> berryciderspider: Maybe ask in #ubuntu-offtopic or ##linux
[12:40] <dn5> usr13 Can you help me out with this. Window poped up "Debconf on localhost", I have to configure libc6..
[12:40] <dn5> is the "rsync cups cron atd" right command?
[12:40] <krq> Somebody help..
[12:40] <dn5> for restarting GNU libc library
[12:41] <MonkeyDust> dylan__  system settings, language support
[12:41] <jdu> Actually chroot looks like it might be the best way to go, I am trying to build it inside of a  vagrant of ubuntu 12.04 but the main problem is that there don't seem to be any qt5 packages in launchpad that I can install so I have to build QT5 from scratch on the vagrant box.
[12:41] <dn5> krq what environemnet?
[12:41] <krq> gonme
[12:41] <krq> gnome
[12:41] <dn5> can't you right clicl -> Create Launcher
[12:41] <dn5> ?
[12:42] <krq> no. i cant find it in this version.
[12:43] <dn5> krq what is your ubuntu version? 12.04?
[12:43] <krq> ya
[12:43] <dylan__> MonkeyDust: the problem is that there is no German in there. It's only English
[12:44] <krq> I ran lsb_version -a and it gave
[12:44] <krq> No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID:	Ubuntu Description:	Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Release:	12.04 Codename:	precise
[12:44] <dn5> krq http://www.vogella.com/articles/Ubuntu/article.html#unity_newentries
[12:45] <dn5> krq I had to add desktop launchers over desktop entries on kali linux; also gnome env
[12:46] <krq> dn5: Not the launcher. I want shortcuts on desktop.
[12:48] <dn5> krq tell me the actual difference. anyway, try running the launcher creator from terminal: gnome-desktop-item-edit Desktop --create-new
[12:49] <MonkeyDust> dylan__  maybe you have to install language packs
[12:49] <Fanshawe> Hi again everyone. I was hoping for help with getting an application to run. It's called 'Labyrinth Mind-mapping' and was working yesterday, but now when I try to run it I get an error message in the terminal, something to do with Python but I'm not sure. Can anyone help me?
[12:50] <dn5> Fanshawe what error do you get?
[12:50] <Fanshawe> The line that seems to kill the application starting reads "xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError: unclosed token: line 1, column 4068"
[12:51] <dylan__> Fanshawe: full error?
[12:52] <Fanshawe> This is the entire output: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=FCpJJycH
[12:52] <dn5> I think it's up to try and except in python.. I'm not familiar with it, you should wait others reply
[12:52] <MonkeyDust> Fanshawe  run the application in terminal and add    |pastebinit       at the end of it, then paste the ur here
[12:52] <MonkeyDust> url*
[12:53] <vnc786> "apt-get command not found" i am searching for APT .deb in packages website but i am not able to get can some one help
[12:54] <cornell> Good morning.  Can anyone tell me how to determine which packages I've added, versus those that were part of the initial install?
[12:54] <dn5> vnc786, can you clearify?
[12:54] <saiarcot895> Fanshawe: just out of curiosity, the last time you ran it, did the program freeze up, or did you forcibly end the process?
[12:55] <Fanshawe> saiarcot895: As I remember it, the application closed without problem. It's very confusing.
[12:55] <saiarcot895> Fanshawe: from what I can tell, it's reading an XML file, but it's not properly formed
[12:55] <vnc786> dn5:  by mistake i have removed APT package  due to that i am not able to install any thing
[12:56] <vnc786> so i am looking for deb package so i can install it with dpkg  package name
[12:57] <Pici> vnc786: What exactly are you trying to do?
[12:57] <Pici> or trying to accomplish?
[12:57] <Fanshawe> saiarcot895: Thanks. Does this mean there's a broader problem with Python, or is there something specific to the application?
[12:57] <dn5> vnc786 - http://mirror1.atrpms.net/ccrma/software/installapt.html
[12:57] <saiarcot895> Fanshawe: specific to the application
[12:58] <MonkeyDust> cornell  in the installer on your usb stick, find "casper/filesystem.manifest" and compare it with the packages installed on your system
[12:58] <dn5> and why in the world would you do that :D
[12:58] <saiarcot895> Fanshawe: if you don't mind, open up your Home folder, press Ctrl+H (to show hidden files), and look for a folder called .labyrinth (or something that seems to be relevant to the program)
[12:59] <vnc786> Pici:  on command line i am not getting apt-get which gives me command not found i am on ubuntu 12.04 64 bit and by ubuntu software center is also not available
[12:59] <dn5> Fanshawe, saiarcot895 could he just delete config and sotware will recreate one on startup
[13:00] <dn5> vnc786 check the link I've posted
[13:00] <saiarcot895> dn5: that's what I'm thinking
[13:00] <Pici> dn5: Why would you provide instruction on how to install apt on redhat?
[13:00] <cornell> MonkeyDust: By "usb stick", I presume you mean the source of the installation, such as a usb stick or CD.  Is that correct?
[13:00] <dn5> DId I?
[13:00] <dn5> Pici, one second please.
[13:00] <saiarcot895> dn5: unfortunately, I don't know what folder it stores its config in
[13:01] <vnc786> dn5: it gives rpm
[13:01] <dn5> vnc786 sorry wrong link
[13:01] <dn5> siarcot895, what is the name of the software he have a problem with?
[13:01] <saiarcot895> dn5: labyrinth
[13:01] <Pici> vnc786: Download the proper architecture from http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/apt
[13:01] <saiarcot895> dn5: available in the repos
[13:01] <MuFaSaa> #amarok
[13:01] <Fanshawe> saiarcot895: I'm afraid I can't find any config files for Labyrinth. I've been to usr/lib/python/dist-packages/labyrinth, but I'm not sure if that's what we're looking for
[13:02] <MonkeyDust> cornell  yes
[13:02] <saiarcot895> Fanshawe: the config file will be within your home directory, not in /usr or /var
[13:02] <cornell> Cool!  Thanks MonkeyDust
[13:02] <Pici> vnc786: link @ http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/apt/apt_0.8.16~exp12ubuntu10.10_amd64.deb
[13:03] <Fanshawe> saiarcot895: home/.gconf/apps/labyrinth ! Think I have it!
[13:04] <saiarcot895> Fanshawe: try deleting the labyrinth folder and reopening labyrinth
[13:04] <dn5> GOod job Fanshawe
[13:04] <dn5> saiarcot895 I know you would advice him that method :>
[13:05] <cornell> MonkeyDust: I've found it...  looks like a list of packages, in the form: name <space> version.  If a package has been upgraded, and it's version has changed, its name would still be the same.  So comparing on the name is exactly what I want, correct?
[13:07] <MonkeyDust> cornell  wild idea: create a list of installed packages and compare the two lists, look for differences, in your list of installed packes, there should be more than in the manifest files
[13:08] <vnc786> Pici:  thanks brother i was searching for last couple of hour how did you got that link ?
[13:08] <Pici> vnc786: via packages.ubuntu.com
[13:08] <Fanshawe> saiarcot895, dn5: I've got rid of the folder, but the terminal returns the same error without recreating the folder/XML file. Something odd's happened. Should I try storing the files in usr/lib/python/xml somewhere else and trying again?
[13:10] <saiarcot895> Fanshawe: from the error, it seems it's trying to load the previously created mind maps, which isn't in the .gconf folder
[13:11] <cornell> Right, MonkeyDust.  But if an original package, such as "apt 0.9.7.5ubuntu5" has been upgraded to, say, "apt 0.9.8.5ubuntu5", it won't match the manifest.  But if I just take the part before the space, "apt", it would match.
[13:11] <Fanshawe> Thank you, I'll root around and see if I can find where it stored old maps.
[13:12] <saiarcot895> Fanshawe: dn5: it's storing the mind maps in xdg's BaseDirectory. As to where that is, I have no idea
[13:14] <MonkeyDust> cornell  true, but maybe now you have an idea you can be creative with, it's the closest i get to an answer
[13:16] <saiarcot895> Fanshawe: try .local/share/labyrinth
[13:17] <cornell> Yes, MonkeyDust, a great start!  Thanks much.   I'm going to load the manifest into a mysql table, with name, orig version, current version, os, initial (Y).  Then dpkg -l  to a file, and load same, initial (N).  Then I can query my butt off ;-)
[13:17] <cornell> Thanks again.
[13:17] <saiarcot895> Fanshawe: <home folder>/.local/share/labyrinth
[13:21] <Fanshawe> saiarcot895: There's a /.local/share/applications, and inside there is a desktop configuration file. There's also a bunch of related looking files in /.local/share/Trash/info.
[13:21] <Fanshawe> Shall I remove and run again?
[13:22] <saiarcot895> Fanshawe: Remove /.local/share/labyrinth and run
[13:24] <osirisx11> is it possible to have my cpu frequency set on powersave when i uplug my laptop?
[13:24] <markshwe231> hi
[13:25] <markshwe231> i am using empathy  why doesnt it show username list
[13:25] <alexxxa_> osirisx11, I think it's possible.  please don't ask me how.
[13:26] <whoever> markshwe231:  for what, email contact , IM
[13:26] <markshwe231> irc whoever
[13:26] <phil> ost
[13:26] <markshwe231> i cant see any user , i went to a room , no idea if there was anybody in that room
[13:26] <markshwe231> not even /names
[13:26] <Fanshawe> saiarcot895: Sorry, there is no .local/share/labyrinth folder. I could search my File System for folders called labyrinth and come back with the results
[13:27] <whoever> markshwe231: empathy is not an irc client , what are you talking about ?
[13:27] <Pici> whoever: it does have an irc component, its not very good.
[13:27] <saiarcot895> Fanshawe: do you have a .local folder in your Home folder?
[13:27] <whoever> Pici: ah thx
[13:27] <markshwe231> whoever: i am on empathy right now .
[13:28] <Fanshawe> saiarcot895: Yes, home/.local/
[13:28] <whoever> markshwe231: i sugesst you try a standalone irc client , ie: chatx, irssi
[13:28] <saiarcot895> Fanshawe: go into the share folder; do you see a labyrinth folder?
[13:29] <Pici> markshwe231: empathy itself has poor IRC support. I'm not sure we are going to be able to help you with it.
[13:29] <whoever> markshwe231: it's a plug in that may or may not work 100% once again I suggest you try a standallone irc client
[13:30] <markshwe231> ok Pici, i have one more issue and that's with pidgin. it refuses to launch , though i can see it in left 'strip' what do you call it ? dashboard?
[13:30] <Fanshawe> saiarcot895: No labyrinth folders in there.
[13:30] <Fanshawe> No folder named labyrinth, rather.
[13:30] <whoever> Pici: i don't think empathy has  a channel
[13:31] <Pici> whoever: if they do, its likely on gimpnet.
[13:32] <whoever> Pici: oh, and makeing your entire user experience on plugins just seems to be a bad idea
[13:33] <saiarcot895> Fanshawe: what about home/.gnome2/labyrinth?
[13:33] <Fanshawe> saiarcot895: Yes! Those are .map files, I assume one of those is corrupt. I'll clear those out and run again.
[13:35] <sgtkilljoy> clear
[13:35] <Fanshawe> saiarcot895: That did the trick. The program now loads without problem. One of the maps I made must have prevented the program from starting up. Thank you!
[13:35] <saiarcot895> Fanshawe: you're welcome
[13:35] <dn5> What was the solution?
[13:35] <dn5> Deleting config files?
[13:38] <saiarcot895> dn5: yes, they were in the .gnome2 folder
[13:38] <saiarcot895> dn5: well, in this case, the maps themselves
[13:39] <DeLorean731> For troubleshooting network issues on an Ubuntu box that appear to be at the OS level, should I come here or #networking
[13:39] <DeLorean731> ?
[13:39] <Vec_> Good day everyone!
[13:41] <Vec_> I recently set up an ubuntu server for filesharing and printersharing for a small home network. I did this simply by reading guides and asking for help. I'm interested in learning the very basics/essentials of how to deal with a ubuntu/linux system, what sites/guides would you guys reccomend for learning the linux essentials for a total linux-newbie?
[13:45] <alexxxa_> Hello and welcome. I would recommend you Ubuntu wiki.
[13:46] <Vec_> Ok, i'll check it out :)
[13:46] <alexxxa_> beside wiki, there are many great articles and how to s on net
[13:47] <Vec_> Yeah, ive made extensive use of them. I simply lack the knowledge of even the most basic terminal commands
[13:47] <alexxxa_> anything you'd like to find out, just type in Google,  or ask your question here
[13:47] <Vec_> So you know, i feel sort of lost if i want to perform some basic tasks on my own that are outside the how tos
[13:48] <Vec_> What i really like so far is the simple way of just apt-getting packages and cding to /etc/packagename for configuring
[13:48] <alexxxa_> there are some articles about basic commands too
[13:48] <ezra-s> Vec_, knowledge comes with practice too, you will be there before you notice..
[13:48] <BluesKaj> !cli
[13:49] <alexxxa_> just type basic commands in Linux Ubuntu
[13:49] <BluesKaj> Vec_, see the post above
[13:49] <Vec_> Nice, the "usingtheterminal" link was exactly up my ally
[13:54] <Vec_> Random question: When i logon my ubuntu server through terminal, am i currently in that users /home dir then?
[13:54] <ikonia> yes
[13:54] <blazemore> Vec_: By default yes. You can test this by typing "pwd" which will show you the current directory
[13:54] <Medjai> does anyone know any good Geoip websites that will give me City and State or City and Province for countries outside the US?
[13:54] <ikonia> Medjai: not really an ubuntu issue.
[13:55] <sgtkilljoy> Vec_, yes
[13:55] <Medjai> i GUESS NOT
[13:55] <Medjai> just asking in general
[13:55] <Medjai> is there a gneral chat?
[13:55] <blazemore> !offtopic | Medjai
[13:55] <ikonia> Medjai: this isn't a general chat channel, try #defocus for random chat
[13:57] <alexxxa_> is pwd a shortening for present working directory?
[13:57] <ikonia> correct
[13:57] <alexxxa_> cd current directory
[13:57] <ezra-s> it shows the current dir yes
[13:57] <blazemore> alexxxa_: cd is change directory
[13:57] <ikonia> alexxxa_: change directory
[13:57] <alexxxa_> haha
[13:57] <blazemore> alexxxa_: by default, cd takes you to ~
[13:57] <ikonia> alexxxa_: maybe a read on tldp would help
[13:58] <alexxxa_> cd without path leads by default nowhere
[13:58] <BluesKaj> Medjai, try infosniper.com
[13:58] <chaospsychex> how would one create a dialup connection in Ubuntu ?
[13:59] <Vec_> blazemore: Where is ~?
[13:59] <blazemore> Vec_: /home/<username>
[13:59] <Vec_> hm ok
[13:59] <ezra-s> chaospsychex, mostly using networkmanager
[14:00] <blazemore> Vec_: It's just a shortcut. So you can use "~/Music" instead of /home/vec/Music
[14:00] <ezra-s> chaospsychex, although to be honest I have never tried, it could be that network manager can't do it
[14:02] <Zortrag> hi
[14:03] <reisio> Zortrag: suppah
[14:09] <ActionParsnip> blazemore: /home/$USER   is more accurate :)
[14:09] <BananaBob> Hey, before lightdm starts, what is the component that is showing the 4 blinking dots on purple background (12.04 as reference)
[14:09] <ActionParsnip> BananaBob: plymouth
[14:09] <blazemore> Alright ActionParsnip I haven't drunk enough tea today
[14:09] <llutz> ActionParsnip: $HOME is more accurate (think of root...)
[14:09] <ActionParsnip> blazemore: me neither, never have too much tea
[14:09] <BananaBob> oh ok thnx!
[14:09] <ActionParsnip> llutz: touche
[14:09] <reisio> too much coffee is better
[14:10] <blazemore> ActionParsnip: You want to borrow a napkin to wipe that egg off your face?
[14:10] <ActionParsnip> blazemore: face-omette
[14:10] <ActionParsnip> *omlette
[14:11] <hunt> Hi everyone, I have a failing SD Card, that I'm trying to rescue the data from, I'm running ddrescue right now, but I expect, that I will have to repair the partition table somehow later on (using testdisk?). I need some help with this. Is there a channel for data recovery, or can someone help me out in here?
[14:11] <ActionParsnip> hunt: try foremost on the raw device
[14:12] <dn5_> back.
[14:12] <dn5_> Now I'll have to learn this new interface
[14:13] <blazemore> "sudo: dpkg: command not found" - am I going crazy?
[14:13] <ikonia> blazemore: why are you trying to use dpkg directly
[14:13] <blazemore> because I'm trying to install a deb...
[14:13] <blazemore> I know what I'm doing
[14:13] <ikonia> blazemore: clearly not
[14:13] <blazemore> No, seriously, this is a brand new fresh install
[14:13] <hunt> ActionParsnip: so, should I run testdisk directly with the sd card? The ddrescue dump is at about 3GB from a total of 4GB, are you saying I should try to recover the partition table on the device and then run ddrescue again?
[14:14] <ikonia> blazemore: seriously....shouldn't be using dpkg directly
[14:14] <blazemore> Ohhhhh I know why! I wasn't ssh'd into my Ubuntu server, I was on my OpenSuse workstation
[14:15] <blazemore> Nobody mention this again pls
[14:15] <nullby7e> ikonia is a idiot
[14:15] <blazemore> That's a bit harsh; most people shouldn't use dpkg directly
[14:16] <blazemore> Unless there's a specific reason like you need to --force-architecture
[14:16] <arvindeep_> blazemore: lol it happens a lot to me too... can you set up ssh to change the terminal background or something?
[14:16] <fossterer> christina: ?
[14:17] <Kitty_> hello I am Christina and I have a problem while installing git. Can someone help
[14:17] <blazemore> Kitty_: What error message, if any, are you getting?
[14:17] <fossterer> Kitty_: your version?
[14:18] <Kitty_> Reading package lists... Done
[14:18] <Kitty_> Building dependency tree
[14:18] <Kitty_> Reading state information... Done
[14:18] <Kitty_> Package git is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[14:18] <Kitty_> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[14:18] <Kitty_> is only available from another source
[14:18] <FloodBot1> Kitty_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:18] <blazemore> Kitty_: Did you run "sudo apt-get update" first?
[14:18] <Kitty_> no i did sudo apt-get install git
[14:19] <blazemore> Kitty_: Try running "sudo apt-get update" first to refresh the list of available packages
[14:19] <blazemore> Kitty_: If there are any problems with the repositories, that command will also hilight those issues
[14:19] <Kitty_> blazemore,ok
[14:19] <blazemore> *highlight
[14:21] <Kitty_> blazemore, do i have to install updates ?
[14:21] <blazemore> Kitty_: No
[14:21] <blazemore> Kitty_: Try running "sudo apt-get install git" again now you have done apt-get update
[14:22] <Kitty_> blazemore, ok
[14:22] <axiz> installed 12.04. wireless netowrk not showing anything
[14:22] <Kitty_> blazemore, it gives the same error
[14:22] <blazemore> axiz: What wireless device do you have?
[14:23] <blazemore> Kitty_: Can you open the file "/etc/apt/sources.list" and paste it into http://paste.ubuntu.com then share the link here?
[14:23] <axiz> how to get that im new
[14:23] <Kitty_> blazemore, any link from where i can download image of ubuntu
[14:23] <blazemore> Kitty_: http://ubuntu.com
[14:23] <ikonia> Kitty_: if you get a moment can you please type "uname -a" and how the channel the output please
[14:24] <blazemore> Kitty_: do what ikonia said first
[14:25] <Kitty_> ikonia,Linux ubuntu 2.6.32-24-generic #39-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jul 28 06:07:29 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[14:25] <ikonia> ok, looks good
[14:25] <ActionParsnip> lucid
[14:25] <ikonia> repos are gone
[14:25] <ikonia> probably why it's failing
[14:26] <Kitty_> Well i am very sorry if i am irritating I am new to linux
[14:26] <blazemore> That's an old and unsupported version of Ubuntu, Kitty_ - Ubuntu doesn't provide packages for it any more (including git)
[14:26] <ActionParsnip> Kitty_: you can upgrade directly to Precise
[14:26] <ikonia> Kitty_: not irritating, no-one said that
[14:26] <ActionParsnip> Kitty_: as it is LTS to LTS
[14:26] <summit> hello, im trying to setup the VPN settings with ubuntu, which would be ideal for gaming? i play on a private server and would rather not use my real IP incase of shady GM's etc..
[14:26] <blazemore> Kitty_: You should download the latest version of Ubuntu here http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[14:27] <ikonia> summit: ideal for gaming ???
[14:27] <blazemore> summit: What VPN provider are you using?
[14:27] <zephyr> Is there any way to "trick" linux into believing my 3rd-party XBOX 360 controller is a genuine Microsoft one?  I can't seem to get it to work at all.
[14:27] <summit> would PPTP be the option i would want to use?
[14:27] <summit> blazemore: none atm, just settin up.
[14:27] <ikonia> summit: depends on many things
[14:27] <Kitty_> blazemore, I need a image for the vmware. Will that link still work
[14:27] <blazemore> summit: You need to start by choosing a provider
[14:27] <ikonia> summit: I think you are just going to cause problems though
[14:27] <blazemore> Kitty_: You can install an iso in VMware just like on a real machine
[14:28] <blazemore> summit: Firstly you choose a provider, then follow their instructions to set it up
[14:28] <Kitty_> blazemore, Thank you :)
[14:28] <summit> blazemore: thanks mate
[14:28] <blazemore> summit: What you're asking is the equivelant of taking a car into the garage to get an oil change, but you don't actually have a car :)
[14:29] <summit> blazemore: hehe! i understand, my friends recommended using it while we played on the private server, apparently alot of losers out there that have gotten them into skype and DDoS'd them and such, i just wanna play a game without issues, but i also don't add random people.
[14:29] <ikonia> summit: a vpn is not the way to do that
[14:30] <dn5> anyone can help me resolve this issue?
[14:30] <blazemore> dn5: What issue?
[14:30] <PashaPasta> dn5: what issue
[14:33] <roasted> Hello friends. I'm having some difficulty manually partitioning my install without it going into a boot loop once install is complete. UEFI is disabled in the BIOS. Here is my partitioning menu - http://i.imgur.com/h7XG7I1.png - which according to Ubuntu Grub GPT documentation, is correct. Even still, it goes into a boot loop upon completion. Did I miss something?
[14:34] <blazemore> roasted: I believe you need a /boot partition although I may be mistaken
[14:34] <roasted> blazemore: I set the EXT4 / partition to have the boot flag on last night's install, but it too failed.
[14:34] <ddssc> got a dir that I can't see with dir or ls. I do see it in nautilus tho. what's the deal with that?
[14:34] <roasted> blazemore: also, that partitioning was pre-install. I think Ubuntu auto adds the boot flag.
[14:35] <llutz> roasted: are you sure the 1MB bios_grub partition is big enough?
[14:35] <ikonia> a /boot partition would help a lot
[14:35] <blazemore> roasted: Try using a /boot partition of around 1GiB formatted to ext2
[14:35] <ikonia> 1GB??
[14:35] <ikonia> 300mb
[14:35] <budmang> Anyone here use ipmitool at all?
[14:35] <blazemore> inb4 1GiB is overkill; he has a terrabyte drive he can afford
[14:35] <blazemore> damn
[14:35] <ActionParsnip> roasted: is that elementary OS?
[14:35] <roasted> llutz: it's what the Ubuntu documentation said.
[14:35] <roasted> ActionParsnip: Ubuntu GNOME 13.04
[14:35] <saiarcot895> ddssc: out of curiosity, what's the dir?
[14:36] <ActionParsnip> roasted: looks weird
[14:36] <llutz> there is no need for a sep /boot for grub-gpt
[14:36] <roasted> ActionParsnip: if by weird, you mean awesome, yes. :P
[14:36] <ActionParsnip> roasted: all silvery and that..in an official flavour....
[14:36] <ddssc> saiarcot895: .idea, it's jetbrains project dir..
[14:36] <roasted> llutz: from the Ubuntu GPT Grub2 documentation -If the BIOS is setup to boot the disk in Legacy/mbr mode, installing GRUB2 on a GPT (GUID Partition Table) disk requires a dedicated BIOS boot partition with a recommended size of at least 1 MiB. This partition can be created via GParted or other partitioning tools, or via the command line. It must be identified with a bios_grub flag. The necessary GPT modules are automatically included during
[14:36] <roasted> installation when GRUB 2 detects a GPT scheme.
[14:36] <ikonia> what version of ubuntu is it ?
[14:36] <ikonia> as different versions of ubuntu handle it different
[14:37] <ikonia> roasted: which version is it ?
[14:37] <roasted> 13.04
[14:37] <chunkyhead> guys i've noticed the backspace key doesn't work anymore in nautilus! a little help here pls?
[14:37] <ne0h> am trying to copy some files of about 1gb into my flash and it is saying 8hours on ubuntu 12.04
[14:37] <ActionParsnip> chunkyhead: does it work in gedit?
[14:37] <ikonia> roasted: ok, so that should be able to deal with a current gpt layout
[14:37] <llutz> roasted: ok, using grub-gpt with a similar partitioning scheme here, just the bios_grub has 250MB (was an EFI-part before)
[14:37] <saiarcot895> ddssc: oh, ls requires -a
[14:37] <fossterer> chunkyhead: Alt + Let Arrow
[14:38] <roasted> llutz: are you using legacy bios with a GPT table?
[14:38] <llutz> roasted: atm yes
[14:38] <roasted> llutz: 13.04? no issues manually installing?
[14:38] <llutz> roasted: nope, debian sid
[14:38] <chunkyhead> ActionParsnip, lol it does. 13.04 nautilus has removed the feature. thanks fossterer !
[14:38] <roasted> llutz: is there any way I could trouble you for a screenshot of gparted?
[14:38] <ddssc> ddssc: so .dirs are hidden i presume
[14:38] <fossterer> chunkyhead: np
[14:38] <ActionParsnip> ddssc: yes
[14:38] <roasted> llutz: I've done at least 20 installs convinced I'm making a mistake, but I can't figure it out.
[14:39] <ActionParsnip> ddssc: hence:  ~/.mozilla    holding the config for mozilla products, is a folder
[14:39] <llutz> roasted: https://gist.github.com/llutz/5885185
[14:41] <roasted> llutz: yeah I have no idea why mine isn't working.
[14:41] <ikonia> roasted: does grub actually come up ?
[14:41] <roasted> ikonia: no
[14:42] <roasted> ikonia: it's very strange. The system fires up, I see the lenovo screen, and it shuts off...
[14:42] <ikonia> roasted: ok so your problem is before ubuntu
[14:42] <roasted> ikonia: then it fires up again, tries to boot, nothing, tries to network boot, nothing, and says no operating system found.
[14:42] <ikonia> roasted: it's baically where your bios is looking to boot doesn't exist/work
[14:42] <llutz> roasted: sudo grub-install /dev/sda && sudo update-grub
[14:42] <roasted> llutz: been there. I also tried that boot-repair utility.
[14:42] <roasted> ikonia: if I install to MBR, it works. I'm just not sure why GPT isn't
[14:43] <ikonia> roasted: ok, that explains a lot
[14:43] <roasted> ikonia: oh?
[14:43] <ikonia> roasted: where are you putting the boot record when it fails ?
[14:43] <roasted> ikonia: I was putting boot onto /, which was the 3rd partition in http://i.imgur.com/h7XG7I1.png
[14:43] <ddssc> it baffles me how linux manages to make basic stuff like listing files and removing non-empty complicated...
[14:43] <ikonia> roasted: no the boot record
[14:44] <ikonia> roasted: if you put the boot record on the mbr...it works, where do you put it when it doens't work
[14:44] <roasted> ikonia: I'm not sure I follow...
[14:44] <ikonia> roasted: you said "when I put grub on the mbr it works"
[14:44] <roasted> ikonia: grub is on /... and bios_boot is flagged on the first partition
[14:44] <ikonia> roasted: where are you putting it when it doesn't work
[14:44] <ikonia> roasted: no - grub is not on /
[14:44] <roasted> ikonia: I meant when I partition table the entire SSD to MBR, and install in the exact same fashion, it works fine.
[14:44] <ikonia> roasted: or shouldn't be on / otherwise how do you expect it to boot ?
[14:44] <saiarcot895> ddssc: really? rm -r to remove folders, ls to show files, ls -a to show all files (including hidden)
[14:45] <ikonia> roasted: ok, so what is your current boot sector ?
[14:45] <roasted> ikonia: I'm... not sure? Is this something I would see on gparted?
[14:45] <ikonia> no
[14:45] <roasted> ikonia: then I'm afraid I'm not entirely on the same page :(
[14:45] <ikonia> roasted: no matter what partition table format you are using, there must be a boot sector on the disk
[14:45] <lmat> I have a computer that's unable to access the outside world (sort of). Is there any ubuntu configuration I should look at ? The return from ping google.com is
[14:46] <lmat> PING google.com (173.194.46.69) ... [then hang]
[14:46] <ikonia> roasted: so normally its the windows boot loader, or grub, and it's on the first few sectors of the disk to boot
[14:46] <ikonia> roasted: so, you must have "something" there for it to boot
[14:46] <lmat> So, it gets an IP address, but can't get any data going.
[14:46] <ikonia> roasted: ot it's just going to find nothing and go in a loop
[14:46] <roasted> ikonia: any time I manually partition, I just set swap, root, home, and install. The only thing I'm doing different this time is the 1 MiB partition flagged for bios_grub as per Ubuntu documentation.
[14:47] <ikonia> roasted: ok, so you still need a boot sector
[14:47] <leroides> @search bill hicks
[14:47] <ikonia> leroides: stop
[14:47] <PashaPasta> lmat: do you have any iptables rules running?
[14:47] <ikonia> roasted: eg: when you install grub, it puts all the files into /boot - however the boot sector is put on the start of the disk
[14:47] <roasted> ikonia: don't hit me... but would that be just setting up a dedicated boot partition?
[14:47] <ikonia> roasted: no, as there is nothing where to boot
[14:47] <ikonia> roasted: you need to have something "before" the partition to actually start the boot process
[14:47] <lmat> PashaPasta: iptables -L doesn't list anything
[14:48] <xHkcNZs1> hey
[14:48] <PashaPasta> what's the default rule on iptables?
[14:48] <roasted> ikonia: I see.
[14:48] <lmat> I mean... it says    chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)\ntarget   prot opt source   destination
[14:48] <roasted> ikonia: I'm understanding and following you, I'm just not drawing up an idea as ot what exact I do to fix this.
[14:48] <ddssc> saiarcot895: nothing is complicated when you know it. linux just has too much stuff I cba to learn properly.. and sometimes listing 20 pages of docu with --help will just make me pres ctrl+c. spoiled by gui I guess..
[14:48] <ikonia> roasted: as I'm reading, it sounds like you've created a bios partition, but there is on boot sector on there
[14:48] <lmat> PashaPasta: And it says the some for FORWARD and OUTPUT
[14:48] <lmat> PashaPasta: let me see..
[14:48] <PashaPasta> ok
[14:48] <ikonia> roasted: so when you boot - it scans the disk, doesn't find a boot sector, so can't boot, loop/repeat
[14:48] <roasted> ikonia: I was under the impression that the bios_grub flagged partition was all I needed beyond a regular swap/root/home.
[14:49] <roasted> ikonia: which has lead to my confusion now.
[14:49] <ikonia> roasted: it's not about flagging a partition
[14:49] <ikonia> roasted: it's the boot sector of the disk - forget "partition"
[14:49] <lmat> PashaPasta: How do I check the default rule ?
[14:49] <ikonia> roasted: you still need something at the start of the disk to boot
[14:49] <auronandace> roasted: when you install the bootloader (grub) you need to install it to the disk (eg: sda) not a partition (eg sda1)
[14:50] <roasted> auronandace: I... thought I did.
[14:50] <auronandace> roasted: that is the default setting usually
[14:50] <roasted> ikonia: what "something" do I need? I never did anything else different on other systems that worked, so I'm feeling a little blind right now with what to do.
[14:51] <PashaPasta> sudo iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT and so forth
[14:51] <ikonia> roasted: when you installed, where did you tell it to install the grub
[14:51] <roasted> ikonia: I thought /dev/sda wsa selected by default. I didn't change it.
[14:51] <ikonia> roasted: worth checking
[14:52] <roasted> ikonia: can I check this from a Live session, or must I reinstall and make sure when I get to that setting its correct?
[14:52] <ikonia> roasted: just re-install grub
[14:52] <roasted> I think I would have noticed if it was on a partition, though. I've repaired grub many times and the guide I have bookmarked says in bold letters do not install to /dev/sdX1, just to /dev/sdX...
[14:52] <auronandace> roasted: is this a uefi system?
[14:52] <roasted> ikonia: I did that last night and it failed. :( I'll boot to another live instance and give it a shot.
[14:53] <dhci> is there an ls command that can highlight (colorized) the size of files? so that every 3 digits would be a slightly different color shade.
[14:53] <savagecroc> hey, anyone know anything about the chinese gov's version of ubuntu?
[14:54] <roasted> auronandace: I hav eBIOS set to legacy
[14:54] <auronandace> !uefi | roasted
[14:54] <roasted> yes, I'm aware, and it's disabled. :)
[14:54] <lmat> PashaPasta: it says "Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)" Does that answer your question?
[14:54] <MonkeyDust> savagecroc  it's called Kylin or so
[14:54] <PashaPasta> yeah
[14:55] <savagecroc> MonkeyDust: yeah, is there any specifics though?
[14:55] <savagecroc> i.e. are they rolling out as part of government systems.. any additional stuff like encryption etc
[14:55] <PashaPasta> lmat: tried a packet capture on the interface to see if anything is passing traffic?
[14:55] <MonkeyDust> savagecroc  start here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuKylin
[14:55] <lmat> PashaPasta: nope. Any recommended tools ? (no gui, please)
[14:55] <PashaPasta> tcpdump
[14:56] <lmat> PashaPasta: Thanks, brb.
[14:56] <PashaPasta> run tcpdump -i <interface> -o <output file>
[14:57] <roasted> ikonia: I just reinstalled grub via this guide - http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/how-to-recover-grub2-linux.html - with /dev/sda3 for step B, and /dev/sda for step C.  My partitions are laid out like this - http://i.imgur.com/h7XG7I1.png - still boot loop....
[14:57] <ikonia> more webupd8....
[14:57] <ikonia> why do people not follow OFFICIAL ubuntu documentation
[14:57] <roasted> ruh roh :(
[14:57] <roasted> is that guide incorrect?
[14:58] <ikonia> not read it, but I just don't see why people keep pulling these 3rd party guides
[14:58] <lmat> PashaPasta: I don't see a -o option...
[14:58] <kelly> hello guys , I'm using right now Ubuntu 13.04 64bit , it's great but i notice there is a slow in performance not like ubuntu 12.04 , how can i make it fast !? my pc spec : i3-2100 + intel 3000 hd + 10 gb ram + 256gb ssd
[14:58] <PashaPasta> then just pipe it into a file to easier reading
[14:59] <ikonia> roasted: this will sound stupid but can you pastebin "sudo fdisk -l" please, I'm expecting an error about the partition table format
[14:59] <whoever> lmat: or just pipe it to less
[14:59] <roasted> ikonia: yes, because it's GPT.
[14:59] <llutz>  fdisk doesn't handle gpt
[14:59] <ikonia> good,
[15:00] <ikonia> that's what I hoped, just checking
[15:00] <roasted> :)
[15:00] <dhci> there really should be a common script to pipe command output to a pastebin entry
[15:00] <ikonia> dhci: there is, it's called pastbinit
[15:00] <llutz> !pastebinit | dhci
[15:00] <ikonia> roasted: so again, it doesn't sound like it's hitting your boot sector on the disk
[15:01] <roasted> I found 2 things worth checking into on Ubuntu's documentation. The only way it differs is webupd8 says --root-directory but ubuntu's says --boot-directory. Wonder if that's all it is.
[15:01] <MonkeyDust> kelly  a few tricks I picked up in this same channel http://paste.ubuntu.com/5808048/
[15:01] <lmat> PashaPasta: okay, that didn't go so well :) (I didn't pipe to file, so it took control of the console per force)
[15:02] <PashaPasta> heh
[15:02] <PashaPasta> lots of traffic then?
[15:02] <reisio> kelly: change wm
[15:02] <kelly> thank you I'll try it , is intel 3000 hd for unity
[15:02] <lmat> so, a couple seconds reveals 6612 packets captured...
[15:02] <lmat> PashaPasta: yes!
[15:02] <lmat> PashaPasta: And we're on a very small network !
[15:02] <kelly> is it good
[15:03] <PashaPasta> lmat: can you traceroute out?
[15:03] <roasted> ikonia: I think I goofed with that documentation from webupd8, as you predicted.
[15:03] <lmat> PashaPasta: just a sec
[15:03] <roasted> ikonia: --root-directory is for grub 1.98 and earlier....
[15:03] <roasted> a la webupd8's guide
[15:04] <nobitanobi> Hi guys. Installed Vagrant via Software Center on my Ubuntu 12.10, and when trying to do "vagrant up", I get the following error: https://gist.github.com/novito/5885347
[15:04] <roasted> ikonia: unfortunately, it still failed via ubuntu's official documentation. :/
[15:04] <lmat> PashaPasta: traceroute6 google.com returns
[15:04] <kelly> reisio: i love unity :) , is nvidia 440 GT good Friend of mine give it to me
[15:04] <lmat> PashaPasta: connect: Network is unreachable
[15:05] <PashaPasta> ok, try traceroute 8.8.8.8
[15:05] <ikonia> roasted: the question is where/what it's trying to boot
[15:05] <reisio> kelly: well compiz is the prime suspect if it seems sluggish
[15:05] <reisio> kelly: and/or your graphics driver/hardware
[15:05] <lmat> PashaPasta: traceroute6 8.8.8.8 returns traceroute: unknown host 8.8.8.8
[15:05] <PashaPasta> nix the ipv6 and use ipv4 traceroute
[15:06] <lmat> PashaPasta: Odd, I don't have it?
[15:06] <PashaPasta> funky
[15:06] <roasted> ikonia: I'm just at a loss for what exactly I need to do to fix this. What's more troubling to me is even if I do fix it, how do I lay out my disk/partitions/flags/whatever on a 100% fresh install to install it properly and successfully the next time.
[15:06] <lmat> PashaPasta: trace{tab}{tab}  gives tracepath tracepath6 traceroute6 traceroute6.iputils
[15:06] <ikonia> roasted: you've got other gpt machines working ok ?
[15:07] <BluesKaj> lmat,, just run traceroute without the 6
[15:07] <lmat> BluesKaj: "The program 'traceroute' can be found in the following packages:...Ask your administrator to install one of them"
[15:07] <ddssc> how do I list users in a group?
[15:07] <roasted> ikonia: yes, many
[15:07] <lmat> ddssc: cat /etc/group | grep groupname
[15:07] <roasted> ikonia: not on this *exact* model though, but many others without issue.
[15:08] <lmat> ddssc: doh! useless use of cat...   grep groupname /etc/group
[15:08] <rypervenche> lmat: cap grep :/
[15:08] <llutz> ddssc: getent group <groupname>
[15:08] <ikonia> roasted: same sort of machines though....
[15:08] <kelly> reisio: is there an easy way to share printer and files between ubuntu and windows ?
[15:08] <ddssc> lmat: thanks
[15:08] <lmat> rypervenche: What does cap grep mean?
[15:08] <irreverant> isn't that get report
[15:08] <reisio> kelly: frequently, yes
[15:09] <roasted> ikonia: the only other thing ist he BIOS is dated 2011. I tried to update it last night, but it wouldn't boot to my external CD ROM drive. It does not have an optical drive built in.
[15:09] <roasted> ikonia: the BIOS update comes in ISO or EXE, hence my comment about CD ROM'ing it.
[15:09] <kelly> reisio: Could you tell me plz How can i share ?
[15:09] <ikonia> roasted: I know the lenovo's quite well
[15:09] <irreverant> lmat: global regular expression print
[15:09] <rypervenche> lmat: typo, I meant that you cat-grepped, but you realized just afterward. ):
[15:09] <rypervenche> :)*
[15:09] <reisio> kelly: you want to share a printer between two separate boxes, one GNU/Linux, one Windows, over the network?
[15:10] <whoever> kelly what are you tring to share
[15:10] <roasted> ikonia: Lenovo has been quite problematic with us unfortunately. Part of me was getting to the point of ditching this but I really don't see how this particular scenario isn't solvable. I'm feeling that it's user error all the way, unlike some of our other woes where we couldn't swap wireless cards due to everything but the chip it came with being blacklisted, etc.
[15:10] <BluesKaj> lmat, iputils-tracepath ?
[15:10] <kelly> the printer connected to the windows and i want to access to the printer from ubuntu
[15:10] <lmat> irreverant: thanks, but I was aware :)
[15:11] <kelly> i want to share files also between both of the computers
[15:11] <ikonia> roasted: I couldn't have a more positive view with lenovo, but I'm sure the model matter, I'm just reading the ubuntu efi doc now
[15:11] <ikonia> roasted: stupid question, this is ubuntu 64bit ?
[15:11] <roasted> ikonia: yes
[15:11] <lmat> BluesKaj: PashaPasta: tracepath google.com returns   1: [my ip address]\n1: no reply\n2: no reply  etc
[15:11] <roasted> ikonia: all I've used for years.
[15:11] <ikonia> just checking
[15:11] <roasted> :)
[15:12] <roasted> ikonia: the BIOS installed is dated 2011. There was a BIOS update on the Lenovo site as recent as March 2013.
[15:12] <lmat> rypervenche: I was going to just give him    cat /etc/group   and tell him to filter the results, then I decided it was so easy, I would add the grep ^_^
[15:13] <lmat> PashaPasta: So it looks like the 120 device is going a bit bonkers?
[15:13] <whoever> kelly go to #samba
[15:13] <ikonia> roasted: could you just check yourself against this doc https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[15:13] <lmat> PashaPasta: Or... it's a backup server, perhaps it's doing a backup now.
[15:15] <roasted> ikonia: in particular were you curious about the boot repair utility? So far everything else on there sounds familiar.
[15:15] <ikonia> roasted: just in general, I've used that doc before, so just wanted you to walk through it against what you've done and see if anything stands out
[15:16] <ikonia> roasted: the efi partition of 100mb not 1mb seems worth a look
[15:16] <ikonia> but just a general "yes, matches up" check
[15:16] <roasted> ikonia: but is the EFI partition @ 100 MB relevant for Legacy mode, or UEFI mode?
[15:16] <roasted> ikonia: I've used a 100 MB EFI partition when I tried installing via UEFI mode with 0 success.
[15:16] <ikonia> roasted: sorry if I've missed a bit, are you putting in efi or legacy mode
[15:16] <llutz> roasted: for UEFI only, because it has to hold the efi-files.
[15:16] <roasted> ikonia: but I don't think I've used 100 MB EFI partition with Legacy...
[15:17] <roasted> ikonia: I'm trying legacy with GPT table, but I'll use whatever if itw orks - however I'd prefer to not use MBR.
[15:17] <ikonia> roasted: sorry I missed the part in legacy mode
[15:17] <ikonia> roasted: ok, can you check against this one please https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallUbuntu11.10OnLenovoEFI/GPT/WLAN/Power/BIOS
[15:17] <roasted> ikonia: recent trials have been done with lgacy because I figured it'd be the easier mountain to overcome.
[15:18] <ikonia> roasted: (ignore the lan stuff)
[15:18] <roasted> ikonia: that introduction to the most recent link sure catches my eye.
[15:18] <roasted> "Lenovo's EFI implimentation seems not to be perfect on some newer Lenovo notebooks."
[15:18] <roasted> color me surprised.
[15:18] <whoever> kelly: to share go to samba channel
[15:18] <ikonia> roasted: just given you the wrong doc, sorry
[15:18] <ikonia> hang on
[15:18] <roasted> oh, it's not relevant?
[15:18] <ikonia> roasted: well, it's not "bad"
[15:19] <ikonia> roasted: but it's not the detailed guide I thought I had book marked
[15:19] <roasted> I thought "Lenovo's EFI implimentation seems not to be perfect on some newer Lenovo notebooks." sounded like a good culprit. :P
[15:19] <kelly> thank you
[15:19] <reisio> well, if they're using EFI at all, they don't have free Unix OSes in mind
[15:19] <reisio> which is no surprise, really
[15:19] <reisio> but we digress
[15:19] <reisio> you have a problem and not a solution
[15:19] <roasted> reisio: Lenovo and Linux has turned out to be quite a bummer when dealing with them on the enterprise level.
[15:20] <roasted> "Yes, we have Linux devs internally" *sale is made for 2,000 units* then we find out they lied and we're stuck doing our own tailoring. /facepalm
[15:20] <big_bird> hello everyone
[15:20] <reisio> no worries, computer hardware is getting so small, that now laptops are becoming as empty as desktops became
[15:20] <roasted> but that's a conversation for OT or a PM... :P
[15:20] <reisio> so assembling your own laptop is more and more realistic
[15:20] <big_bird> look here : http://wps-community.org/
[15:20] <reisio> big_bird: hiyo
[15:20] <reisio> big_bird: why? :)
[15:20] <ikonia> roasted: check some of the notes on here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing
[15:20] <shinao1> Hi guys! I have a bit of a problem.. I need to junk my older HP 12.1" dv4 pavilion notebook for something newer (and less prone to cook my skin). I use Ubuntu and Fedora interchangeably.. which mid-size ( um, NOT TOO EXPENSIVE )laptop/ultrabook would be good for Linux these days? ANy recs?
[15:21] <ikonia> shinao1: check friendly.ubuntu.com
[15:21] <roasted> reisio: I'd welcome that so much. With Android sticks and R-Pi's packing what power they do in a small form factor, it'd be fantastic to have a universal slot loader for different pre-bundled form fitted chips which packs the CPU, GPU, memory, etc.
[15:21] <shinao1> Thanks ikonia
[15:21] <roasted> ikonia: that wa sthe guide I used to reinstall grub2 after the webupd8 conversation a little bit ago
[15:21] <big_bird> this is WPS 's Internationl wiki page
[15:21] <big_bird> and you can get the lastest WPS here http://wps-community.org/
[15:22] <ikonia> roasted: it all points to not hitting a valid boot sector....why is a different issue.
[15:22] <reisio> roasted: it's coming; soldered-together ultrabooks are not long for this world
[15:22] <reisio> and if you don't need an ultrabook you can do it now
[15:23] <roasted> reisio: mind if I PM you? (hate to build on this conversation here)
[15:23] <big_bird> About Kingsoft Office: Kingsoft Office ( also known as WPS Office ) is a vibrant office suite. We have more than 200 developers and always devote ourselves to creating comfortable, efficient and smart office experience.
[15:24] <jcadduono> so i took my hdd out of my computer, threw it into a usb enclosure, and prayed for ubuntu to boot. it...doesn't work. it hangs somewhere and initramfs pops up saying uuid not found, any ideas?
[15:24] <auronandace> big_bird: stop advertising here
[15:24] <lmat> PashaPasta: I just noticed that I can't ping google.com using my laptop, either!
[15:24] <lmat> PashaPasta: (I'm doing my work on my laptop, and connecting to the servec I'm working on over SSH)
[15:24] <DJones> big_bird: Please don't advertise, its seen as spam
[15:24] <lmat> This is almost assuredly a router issue.
[15:25] <aringan> hi guys , I configured my ubuntu 12.04. but when I reboot it all the iptables settings and network configurations are gone !
[15:26] <aringan> how can make them persistent
[15:26] <ikonia> iptables-save
[15:26] <ikonia> !ufw | artista_frustrad
[15:26] <ikonia> oops
[15:26] <ikonia> !ufw | aringan
[15:27] <reisio> roasted: why would I
[15:27] <big_bird> okay ~ :) . my International Community just come out .And I just want share it to everyone, if anyone need a office suit which are better than libreoffice on linux.
[15:27] <llutz> big_bird: Stop Spamming
[15:27] <reisio> big_bird: does it use Java™ at all?
[15:27] <big_bird> All C++
[15:27] <reisio> big_bird: is it free / open source?
[15:27] <DJones> !ot
[15:27] <big_bird> it's free but no opensoucre
[15:28] <reisio> then how could it possibly be better
[15:28] <PashaPasta> lmat: sounds like a router issue on your end and its likely dropping incoming ICMP as well
[15:28] <lmat> PashaPasta: That must be it. Thanks for your help!
[15:31] <aringan> ubottu ; thank you for recomending ufw. I think iptabels-save. will work for me. and then other problem is I also lost my network configuration !!! what about them ?!
[15:33] <yk> team
[15:33] <aringan> ikonia ;I think iptabels-save. will work for me. and then other problem is I also lost my network configuration !!! what about them ?!
[15:33] <ikonia> aringan: that shouldn't go
[15:34] <fish_bird> exit
[15:34] <aringan> but why was it gone ?
[15:35] <ikonia> where do you think it's going from ?
[15:35] <ikonia> where did you set it ?
[15:36] <aringan> I set them by ifconfig command
[15:36] <aringan> after I reboot the OS they were gone !
[15:37] <llutz> aringan: ifconfig settings aren't permanent. use networkmanager or /etc/network/interfaces to configure your network
[15:42] <Galidari> Hi everyone. I have a question about autogen if anyone has a moment. I need to do a build and apparently autogen is missing from the bash. Anybody else run into theis problem
[15:42] <jcadduono> is there any way i can boot ubuntu from usb hdd enclosure...hanging on boot and then initramfs uuid not found
[15:42] <irreverant> anyone in here use bsh? or csh?
[15:43] <Galidari> Hi everyone. I have a question about autogen if anyone has a moment. I need to do a build and apparently autogen is missing from the bash. Anybody else run into theis problem
[15:43] <Shredded> hello everyone, can anybody help me tweak gnome please ?
[15:44] <bazhang> !repeat | Galidari
[15:44] <bazhang> Shredded, get gnome-tweak-tool
[15:44] <Shredded> does it tweak gnome's main menu ?
[15:44] <Galidari> Gotcha. Thanks ubottu.
[15:44] <Shredded> i need the system tab removed
[15:45] <Shredded> http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/4161/yuv6.png
[15:45] <Shredded> this one
[15:45] <bazhang> Shredded, tweak is a very broad term, give the exact changes you want
[15:45] <BlueChaos> hello , romanian assistence where I can find?
[15:45] <llutz> !ro
[15:45] <Shredded> the extension to system
[15:45] <bazhang> !ro | BlueChaos
[15:45] <BlueChaos> thank you
[15:45] <bazhang> Shredded, try it and see
[15:46] <Shredded> bazhang did you see my picture ?
[15:46] <bazhang> !info autogen | Galidari
[15:48] <jcadduono> urg, what's the name of ubuntu software center package...an apt-get dist-upgrade somehow removed it last night (oh the joys of playing with saucy)
[15:48] <Galidari> I'm doing this for quality assurance in LibreOffice development community. Won't I need autogen to download the source and for the initial build?
[15:49] <bazhang> jcadduono, saucy help in #ubuntu+1
[15:49] <jcadduono> all i wanted was a package name ;_;
[15:50] <Pici> Galidari: Maybe I've misunderstood your comment, but are you aware that Ubuntu distributes binary packages?
[15:50] <ActionParsnip> jcadduono: if you need to be told something basic like that, you probably shouldnt be using saucy in any way
[15:50] <roasted> ikonia: I updated the BIOS, repaired grub via live session, repaired grub via boot repair utility... all failed. Only thing left is to do a fresh install, which is that fails, I will likely trash this Lenovo.
[15:50] <bazhang> he's gone ActionParsnip
[15:51] <Galidari> Pici: Yes but isn't autogen still required for the initial build?
[15:51] <Pici> Galidari: What initial build?
[15:51] <Galidari> Pici: I'm downloading the source for LibreOffice and I need to build the package after that.
[15:51] <killer> hey
[15:52] <ActionParsnip> Galidari: is there not a PPA?
[15:52] <killer> anyone trieed ubuntu on lenovo ideapad s110?
[15:52] <Pici> Galidari: And why is that stopping you from installing the autogen package?
[15:52] <jose__> Hi, what is the easy way to get Ubuntu ARM image running in QEMU?
[15:52] <killer> I can't play even basic videos  smoothly , it was smooth in windows
[15:52] <Galidari> ActionParsnip: Great name! I'm sure there is but I'm just starting out in programming and well...you know.
[15:53] <ActionParsnip> Galidari: big thing to start with :)
[15:53] <ActionParsnip> Galidari: https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/libreoffice-prereleases
[15:53] <Galidari> Pici: Well in the LibreOffice online documentation it's the first step in downloading the source. Plus one of the guys in the forum last night told me about it.
[15:53] <ActionParsnip> Galidari: libreoffice 4.1.0 PPA
[15:53] <Pici> Galidari: Is sudo apt-get install autogen  not working?
[15:53] <Galidari> ActionParsnip: Thank you!
[15:54] <Galidari> I'll try that, Pici!
[15:54] <Pici> !software | Galidari
[15:54] <Galidari> Pici: Whoo-hoo!
[15:55] <BlueChaos> pici
[15:55] <Pici> BlueChaos: yes?
[15:55] <Galidari> ubottu: Thank you again!
[15:55] <BlueChaos> give me a url from where to install my nvidia agp (ubuntu 12.04)
[15:55] <Galidari> Hence the name ubottu. Ha!!!
[15:56] <BlueChaos>  gf nvidia 9600 (1gb)
[15:56] <Pici> BlueChaos: Have you seen https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia ?
[15:56] <BlueChaos> thank you
[15:56] <Galidari> Going to try this now that I have the file.
[15:56] <killer> I can't play even basic videos  smoothly , it was smooth in windows
[15:56] <Galidari> Best community on earth, by the way.
[15:56] <ActionParsnip> BlueChaos: sudo apt-get install nvidia-current
[15:57] <killer> on my netbook
[15:57] <BlueChaos> ActionParsnip>
[15:58] <BlueChaos> I'm using wine i'm wanna play games (exe on him ) but don`t work for that reason I'm must to install that agp
[15:58] <BlueChaos> it's a good one ?
[15:58] <ActionParsnip> BlueChaos: yes, that wil install the nvidia driver for you
[15:59] <Galidari> D'oh! I downloaded it and it still says it no longer exists. Then it says it's no longer required. I may have been talking to somebody last night who's using an older version of Ubuntu? I dunno.
[15:59] <BlueChaos> ok thank you ActionParsnip
[15:59] <BlueChaos> i'm will try him
[16:02] <BlueChaos> ActionParsnip, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5808207/
[16:02] <killer> I did lspci | grep VGA and got
[16:02] <killer> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Atom Processor D2xxx/N2xxx Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0b)
[16:03] <killer> what driver should i instll so , ubuntu recognize my video card
[16:03] <zquad> does xxd come with vim?
[16:03] <withnale> How do I disable the annoying behavior in ubuntu where the first time I use a key it opens a window and asks me for the key passphrase, even though I have already added it via ssh-add on the command line?
[16:04] <zquad> or how do I install Xxd with vim?
[16:04] <Pici> zquad: it comes with vim.
[16:04] <BlueChaos> ActionParsnip,
[16:04] <BlueChaos> are u there?
[16:06] <nevyn> withnale: huh? that doesn't happen for me...
[16:07] <rypervenche> withnale: You have to not create a password for the keyrnig.
[16:07] <nevyn> oh... that..
[16:11] <ActionParsnip> BlueChaos: mostly
[16:12] <ActionParsnip> BlueChaos: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[16:13] <ActionParsnip> BlueChaos: do you use encryptfs?
[16:13] <DylanCl> Hi.
[16:15] <ActionParsnip> hi DylanCl
[16:15] <zquad> thanks
[16:17] <BlueChaos> ActionParsnip, I did now couple of hours a partial update
[16:17] <BlueChaos> maybe from that reasons I got that error
[16:18] <BlueChaos> now I'm see I have allot errors on  him ..
[16:18] <nbubuntu> anyone can help me out.I can't find any application on ubuntu to defrag my hard disk
[16:18] <ActionParsnip> BlueChaos: partial upgrades arent good
[16:19] <somsip> !defrag | nbubuntu
[16:19] <ActionParsnip> nbubuntu: its not needed in journalized partitions
[16:19] <smallmouse> help my you tube videos seem to be playing at 10x speed
[16:19] <smallmouse> 64 bit edition 13.04
[16:19] <BlueChaos> I know but before upgrate it first version was 10.10
[16:19] <ActionParsnip> smallmouse: what is the output of:  lsb_release -a; uname -a; dpkg -l | egrep 'flash|gnas|swf|spark'
[16:19] <ActionParsnip> smallmouse: please use http://pastie.org or similar to host
[16:20] <nbubuntu> ActionParsnip  somsip : Sorry I didn't explain well. It's not on ext4 , it's on ntfs other partition
[16:20] <ActionParsnip> BlueChaos: did you upgrade direct from 10.10 to the version you have now?
[16:20] <smallmouse> ActionParsnip: http://pastie.org/8091752
[16:20] <BlueChaos> yes
[16:20] <BlueChaos> a partial update.
[16:20] <ActionParsnip> BlueChaos: thats why then, you dont upgrade ubuntu like that
[16:21] <smallmouse> BlueChaos: im not going to upgrade again for a few year, every new upgrade has issues for some time, moved from 12.04 working fine to 13xx now lots of issues..
[16:21] <ActionParsnip> smallmouse: http://pastebin.com/qD8UeEiV
[16:22] <ActionParsnip> smallmouse: did you upgrade to 12.10 in between?
[16:22] <ActionParsnip> BlueChaos: if you leapfrog releases you WILL get issues.
[16:22] <smallmouse> ActionParsnip: full reinstall - incuding wiped disk.
[16:22] <nbubuntu> ActionParsnip  somsip : so ,any application to defrag the partition ?
[16:22] <smallmouse> ActionParsnip: virtualbox keeps crashing, mozilla, etc etc too many problems
[16:23] <ActionParsnip> nbubuntu: I recommend you use a Windows OS to defrag it, NTFS is proprietary to MIcrosoft so their tools will be the ideal way, Auslogics make a great defrag tool
[16:23] <BlueChaos> smallmouse I had my reasons to do upgrade ( updating manager don`t fetch ,)
[16:23] <BlueChaos> ActionParsnip, i'm will do another bootable disk and i'm will reinstall it .
[16:23] <smallmouse> BlueChaos: i though there was more updated drivers, but alas other things are now broken including my mouse, video driver
[16:23] <ActionParsnip> smallmouse: you have multiple flash plugins, you need to make it so you only have one
[16:24] <nbubuntu> ActionParsnip  somsip : so ,not even 1 tools for ubuntu to check on fragmentation ?
[16:25] <orange_> Hey, can anyone help me install graphical drivers? I messed up my OS the last like 10 times I tried..
[16:25] <smallmouse> ActionParsnip: http://pastebin.com/tFi3WLcf
[16:26] <BlueChaos> smallmouse ....like I sayd i'm will  reinstall ubuntu with a stable version no more update...is sux
[16:27] <smallmouse> BlueChaos: i will try this last solution from action. but if i have more problems back to 12.04 LTS
[16:27] <smallmouse> BlueChaos: i also heard ultimate is good and bug free based on 12.04 LTS
[16:27] <smallmouse> BlueChaos: http://ultimateedition.info/ultimate-edition/ultimate-edition-3-4-lts/
[16:27] <bazhang> !ot | smallmouse
[16:27] <Pici> !ultimate
[16:28] <bazhang> smallmouse, dont advertise that here
[16:28] <ActionParsnip> smallmouse: --purge not -purge
[16:28] <smallmouse> bazhang: sorry i thought it was all the same base
[16:28] <ActionParsnip> smallmouse: my mistake, sorry
[16:28] <nbubuntu> ActionParsnip  somsip : Is it really so ?  ,not even 1 tools for ubuntu to check on fragmentation ?
[16:28] <smallmouse> bazhang: are you saying this is not a proper version ?
[16:29] <BlueChaos> smallmouse let's talk in pm
[16:29] <BlueChaos> i like how he's look
[16:29] <bazhang> smallmouse, it is offtopic here, not supported
[16:29] <bazhang> nbubuntu, ask for tools in ##windows
[16:29] <smallmouse> bazhang: know its not supported will speak to bluechaos
[16:30] <ActionParsnip> nbubuntu: its a proprietary file system. I would not advise using anything but windows tools on it as it is windows.
[16:30] <ActionParsnip> nbubuntu: 3rd party tools may mess your file system as  the inner workings are not publicl documented
[16:30] <smallmouse> ActionParsnip: thank you
[16:31] <ActionParsnip> nbubuntu: you can boot to a windows install CD and run a defrag from there, or a Windows live CD and do it there
[16:32] <nbubuntu> bazhang ActionParsnip : ok , I understand. Normally , I just wanted to check for fragmentation on my drive partition.Mostly I read a fragmented hard drive will affect the live span on a drive.That's the main point i wanted it get it fix
[16:32] <foofoobar> Hi. I have a few ssh servers where I connect to via key auth. Now every time I connect I have to re-type my passphrase
[16:32] <foofoobar> Is there a possibility to "remember" my passphrase until I log out?
[16:33] <nevyn> foofoobar: that's what an ssh agent is for
[16:33] <nevyn> type ssh-add in a terminal
[16:34] <foofoobar> nevyn, I will read on that
[16:34] <nevyn> foofoobar: there's one as part of your unity session
[16:35] <foofoobar> nevyn, so what do I have to do ?
[16:35] <nbubuntu> ActionParsnip : is there really a Windows live CD without installation ?
[16:35] <nevyn> you can just add keys to it they'll be retained in memory and everything should be awesome.
[16:35] <foofoobar> Is there a paper or something I can read on ?
[16:35] <foofoobar> nevyn, so I just have to run ssh-add ./.ssh/id_rsa and everything is fine?
[16:35] <nevyn> yep.
[16:35] <Nugga_Hardwood> How to fuck using an ubuntu????
[16:36] <reisio> bazhang: so strict :p heheh
[16:37] <foofoobar> nevyn, cool, works
[16:37] <Guest67496> ciao
[16:38] <Guest67496> !list
[16:38] <sin__> I'm using Ubuntu (obviously). Can I change the mouse pointer theme through the terminal normally even if I'm using a WM that is not Gnome or KDE?
[16:39] <nevyn> foofoobar: if you want the why's and wherefore's I'll find the link that explains how key auth works and how an agent and agent forwarding works...
[16:39] <foofoobar> nevyn, no, its okay. I'm fine that it works
[16:39] <foofoobar> thanks for your help
[16:40] <BlueChaos> Thank you all for u support see you soon bye !
[16:40] <nbubuntu> bazhang ActionParsnip : thanks :)
[16:41] <reisio> sin__: you should be able to via config files even if you can't with a command
[16:41] <sin__> reisio: through my WM config files or Ubuntu ones?
[16:42] <reisio> sin__: whichever
[16:42] <reisio> ~/.icons, ~/.Xdefaults, etc.
[16:43] <reisio> grep -ilr cursor ~/.config
[16:44] <sin__> reisio: thank you very much. I can figure it out from here. Just making sure that going through the steps to install a Ubuntu mouse theme wouldn't be in vain. Again thanks for the help.
[16:45] <reisio> sin__: yeah, X cursors are X cursors
[16:45] <reisio> Canonical hasn't made its own cursor format/implementation yet :p
[16:46] <sin__> reisio: That makes sense.
[16:46] <reisio> sin__: also
[16:47] <reisio> sin__: you can play with what is on my system /usr/share/cursors/xorg-11/default, which is just a symlink to whatever cursor set dir of your choice
[16:47] <aringan> hey guys, whenever I am going to make any changes to my ftp setting, do I have to remove the "#" to make the change effective ?
[16:47] <reisio> sin__: but obviously that is less portable than using ~/ stuff
[16:48] <reisio> aringan: # usually starts a comment
[16:48] <d-egg> Hi, I want to add a man page directory to manpath.config and it should be preferred over other locations.  What is the best way to do that?
[16:48] <d-egg> or generally
[16:48] <aringan> Default umask for local users is 077. You may wish to change this to 022,
[16:48] <aringan> this is the default and staring with #
[16:49] <aringan> so if it is a comment how does it know to listen to 22 c?
[16:50] <aringan> cuz I want to change it to another port , and I am not sure if I have to remove that # from the beggining of the line !
[16:50] <aringan> anyone ?!!!
[16:50] <sin__> reisio: Thanks for the info. I'll see what I can do. Wouldn't by chance already know of a very minimum mouse theme? I want something close to just a dot, but changes colour or gets a big bigger when hovering links or whatnot.
[16:52] <reisio> sin__: why just a dot?
[16:52] <Pici> aringan: I have no idea what you are asking. Maybe if you pastebin your config file and explain what you're trying to accomplish we can help you better.
[16:52] <k1l> aringan: everything starting with a # will not be executed in that file
[16:52] <aringan> sure
[16:53] <sin__> reisio: I use i3 WM, VIM and Luakit which are all very keyboard based programs. I rarely use my mouse, but I don't want to hide it all the time to get it out of my way so I thought a small cursor would be convienant. It's not a big deal just trying it out.
[16:53] <nevyn> 02:55 < SynrG> i think problems with testing builds of installer go to #debian-boot
[16:54] <reisio> sin__: oh manually hide it
[16:54] <reisio> sin__: use unclutter to do it automatically
[16:54] <nevyn> wow that was wildly inappropriate sorry everyone.
[16:54] <aringan> pici ; http://paste.ubuntu.com/5808352/ . this is part of my config
[16:54] <reisio> nevyn: :D
[16:54] <aringan> what I wana do is to change the listening port from 22 to somthing else
[16:55] <Pici> aringan: umask has nothing to do with changing the port.
[16:55] <sin__> reisio: I've been using unclutter; just thought I would try this out.
[16:55] <reisio> sin__: oh okay
[16:55] <reisio> sin__: well you can make your own theme in like a work day
[16:55] <reisio> sin__: use apt-file to find the package that has 'xcursorgen'
[16:55] <reisio> or 'type xcursorgen', you might have it already
[16:55] <Pici> aringan: Also, port 22 is most commonly used by ssh, it would be weird to have your ftpd running on that port.
[16:55] <aringan> so what should I do ?
[16:56] <juanpablo> hola necesito ayuda
[16:56] <Pici> !es | juanpablo
[16:56] <sin__> reisio: Oh, thanks. That was going to be my next project if I couldn't find a theme I like.
[16:56] <sin__> reisio: I'll try that out.
[16:56] <Pici> aringan: Are you using ssh on that machine at all?
[16:56] <reisio> sin__: I'm not sure I've seen one of the sort you described, not that I ever looked for one like that
[16:56] <aringan> yes
[16:57] <Pici> aringan: What program is this config file for?
[16:57] <sin__> reisio: I think I'll just make my own theme so it is excatly what I want. Thanks a lot for all the help.
[16:57] <irreverant> Is there a mac channel?
[16:58] <aringan> Pici ; vsftpd
[16:58] <reisio> sin__: that's what I did :D
[16:58] <reisio> irreverant: #macosx
[16:58] <reisio> irreverant: /msg alis list *mac* look for largest number
[16:58] <khorchani> hi
[16:59] <Pici> aringan: vsftpd should be listening on port 21 by default. Is that a problem?
[16:59] <reisio> khorchani: hi
[17:00] <Pici> aringan: I'm just confused as you're saying that you don't want it running on port 22 but by default it shouldn't be running on that.
[17:00] <aringan> I believe it is listening to 21 , but i want to change it !
[17:00] <ikonia> why /
[17:00] <ikonia> what's wrong with listening on the correct port
[17:00] <aringan> I just don't know how to change it
[17:01] <Pici> aringan: not to port 22? to another port?
[17:01] <aringan> yes
[17:01] <aringan> like 2901
[17:02] <Pici> aringan: you'd need to change the listen_port option in that file. If it doesn't exist, add it.
[17:03] <killer> Does ubuntu support 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Atom Processor D2xxx/N2xxx Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0b)
[17:03] <killer> ?
[17:05] <luk> hi
[17:06] <luk> Helo Word:)
[17:06] <luk> Who is read this ?
[17:06] <luk> lol
[17:06] <cgtdk> hello, greetings are unnecessary. State your question
[17:07] <reisio> cgtdk: and yet you use them! :p
[17:08] <Ari-Yang> luk if you just want to chill and chat join #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:09] <luk> Did I write and the man himself can read
[17:09] <luk> the first use of the IRC
[17:09] <luk> (Still reserved for this Googe translate)
[17:11] <OerHeks> killer, maybe this page is any help with that D2xx/N2xx integrated card http://askubuntu.com/questions/230900/cedarview-drivers-boot-to-a-blank-screen
[17:11] <OerHeks> 2D should work, 3D you need to test
[17:14] <Ari-Yang> OerHeks, just so you're aware, killer quit pinged out >_>
[17:15] <OerHeks> Ari-Yang, i see, thanks.
[17:18] <jaa> vv
[17:20] <gswain> what is the ubuntu version of the wheel group
[17:21] <cgtdk> gswain: I think it's 'sudo'
[17:21] <Pici> indeed
[17:21] <gswain> i noticed there was an admin group as well as sudo when i did a visudo
[17:21] <gswain> so i was not sure which to add myself to
[17:22] <Layke> Are server clocks consistent to the ms ?
[17:22] <Layke> I'm just strugglingt o debug something. Wondering if it could be related to a timing problem.
[17:22] <auronandace> gswain: sudo is the right one, admin is the older one that used to be used
[17:22] <gswain> excellent thank you
[17:32] <zugaaz> How can I install ubuntu 13.04 with a text based installer?
[17:32] <zugaaz> or can I install the live CD through the terminal?
[17:32] <cgtdk> zugaaz: Use the minimal image
[17:33] <cgtdk> zugaaz: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[17:33] <zugaaz> cgtdk: i cannot get the minimal image to work with unetbootin
[17:33] <cgtdk> :(
[17:33] <luke1> yes like cgtdk said us the minimal cd
[17:33] <luke1> use
[17:35] <zugaaz> is there any way in the regular live disc i can press "ctrl+alt+f2"
[17:35] <zugaaz> and install from terminal
[17:35] <zugaaz> I'm just having trouble installing because i have an nvidia graphics card
[17:36] <sir_tyrion> how bad is it if i had a precise repo to my software sources on a raring comp
[17:36] <sir_tyrion> so i can get postgres-server-9.2-dev
[17:36] <sir_tyrion> *postgresql-server-dev-9.2
[17:37] <zebulon5> Hi!
[17:37] <OerHeks> !nomodeset | zugaaz
[17:38] <SonikkuAmerica> Big problem: After reinstalling Unity webapps, Unity seems to have been removed! (The window manager, etc. are still there, but no menu bar, launcher, etc.)
[17:40] <zebulon5> Anyone around?
[17:40] <zebulon5> I'm trying to install 13.04
[17:40] <zebulon5> so I put it on a pendrive usb
[17:40] <zebulon5> and it installs
[17:40] <zebulon5> but once I take it out and reset it won't leave the bios menu
[17:43] <kokoye2007> who can help with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamsDNSAdmin
[17:44] <Pici> kokoye2007: #ubuntu-locoteams and maybe #canonical-sysadmin
[17:44] <kokoye2007> thx Pici locoteams is advice to canonical-sysadmin
[17:44] <kokoye2007> :D
[17:47] <Captain_Proton> Does anyone remeber where remmina keeps the server key it collects
[17:49] <luke1> I have a program that installs through the terminal (a .pl file) and it says it needs kernel headers. I'm new to linux and i don't know what that means. what folder are they in?
[17:49] <APV> How do I make two partitions out of one?
[17:49] <OerHeks> Captain_Proton, those keys should be stored in your keyring, Dash->type "keys"->Passwords&Keys.
[17:49] <sk0tto> trying to install 13.04 on a Lenovo X120e (UEFI) but the OS isn't found after installation.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
[17:49] <APV> I have the only one, and I need second for win8
[17:50] <wilee-nilee> sk0tto, Generally the ubuntu forums has the most informed help on uefi, start a thread there and here is a link. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295
[17:52] <wilee-nilee> sk0tto, Make sure to have W8 backed up as well.
[17:53] <sk0tto> Thank you.  It was a hand-me-down laptop, the OS was already blown away when I got it.
[17:54] <wilee-nilee> sk0tto, Cool, you will get help from that thread starter if you make a thread they focus on this.
[17:55] <sk0tto> Awesome, thanks for all your help!
[17:55] <wilee-nilee> sk0tto, No problem.
[17:57] <anoncn_78> sera
[18:04] <lov> Hello. I'd like to tile the windows on my desktops, but I'd like to do so using Unity instead of using another WM. Is this possible?
[18:05] <bekks> lov: No.
[18:05] <lov> bekks: crud. Thanks.
[18:06] <madprops> lov, http://www.markhansen.co.nz/xmonad-ubuntu-oneiric/
[18:06] <killer> hey , ubuntu 13.04 isn't playing videos smoothly with my netbook , but windws 7 on same netbook is ok
[18:08] <lov> madprops: hmm, interesting. thanks.
[18:08] <mehwork> when is the next ubuntu LTS coming out for a 13+ version?
[18:09] <bazhang> mehwork, 14.04 is the next
[18:09] <madprops> lov, don't listen to the nay sayers :P
[18:09] <cgtdk> which should be released in april 2014
[18:09] <cgtdk> iirc
[18:09] <lov> madprops: you're not helping :P
[18:10] <Aethysius> Hi, I've some issues with some non-KDE apps in Kubuntu, and they sent me here.
[18:11] <krad> how to list services that start on bootup
[18:11] <Aethysius> Banshee, MuseScore, Hydrogen, and Rosegarden either don't work or crash.
[18:12] <auronandace> Aethysius: if any of those are ppas then we can't help with them
[18:12] <Aethysius> Oh.
[18:12] <krad> how to list services that start on bootup?
[18:13] <cgtdk> Banshee is in the regular repository
[18:13] <cgtdk> don't know about the other ones
[18:13] <Aethysius> The others are....I think.
[18:13] <Aethysius> Didn't have to do anything special to get them.
[18:14] <Aethysius> Just downloaded them using Muon Package Manager.
[18:14] <wilee-nilee> Aethysius, I see the ones you list first in the repos, any PPAs are in /etc/apt/sources.list.d confirm whether these are ppa versions or not so you know.
[18:15] <Aethysius> Pardon?
[18:15] <FfoO> Greetings eveyone.
[18:15] <fatNERD> sup foo
[18:16] <wilee-nilee> Aethysius, Your obviously new then that is a very understandable bot of info if you are a regular user.
[18:16] <wilee-nilee> bit*
[18:16] <reisio> FfoO: salutations
[18:17] <MartynKeigher> hey...i had thin running on port 3030.... but i removed it, so im building something new on port 3030 but it still says port 3030 is in use.
[18:17] <Aethysius> I'm not new persay, some terms throw me for a loop though.
[18:17] <MartynKeigher> port 3030 is mentioned in a thin.conf file in the etc\init folder....but thats it!?
[18:17] <marawan2> blender
[18:17] <MartynKeigher> is that the file thats making 303 in use...even though there is no service runnin on it?
[18:17] <marawan2> #blender
[18:18] <wilee-nilee> Aethysius, No problem, we have repositories and a two types of list of them one is in the area I mentioned generally 3rd parties are there.
[18:18] <wilee-nilee> lists
[18:20] <Aethysius> I feel like such an idiot.
[18:20] <lex1> followed the howto to setup potfix tls on ubuntu but getting this warning warning: No server certs available. TLS won't be enabled
[18:21] <chaotix> Hey.  What tools do you guys use for creating live usb's of other distros?  I have been having some issues with UnetBootin, as well as the live usb tool that's bundled with Ubuntu.  This page lists some linux alternatives, can anyone recommend any of them?   Or any others?  Thanks in advance!  :D
[18:21] <chaotix> http://alternativeto.net/software/unetbootin/?platform=linux
[18:22] <auronandace> chaotix: probably best asked in ##linux
[18:22] <cgtdk> chaotix: have you tried dd?
[18:23] <auronandace> cgtdk: that would work for ubuntu but he is asking about other distros
[18:24] <chaotix> cgtdk, no i have not...  i will google it now
[18:24] <chaotix> auronandace, i will ask in ##linux if DD doeant work out
[18:24]  * Aethysius sighs
[18:25] <chaotix> cgtdk, does DD work well for you?  Also, you wouldnt happen to know the link, would you/?
[18:25] <ripthejacker> how can I add new mimetypes in Ubuntu. I'm using Raring 13.04
[18:26] <tones_> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/learn-the-dd-command-362506/
[18:26] <LaitEntier> Hello all, how are we doing this wonderful evening
[18:26] <ripthejacker> I tried to edit /etc/mime.types but it's not working
[18:26] <cgtdk> chaotix: I've often used dd for writing ISOs to pendrives
[18:26] <auronandace> chaotix: the ubuntu iso is designed so that it can be dd-ed to a usb stick, as for other distros you'd have to ask in their respective channels
[18:26] <cgtdk> chaotix: dd is probably already installed on your box.
[18:26] <cgtdk> auronandace: I've had success with other distros using the same method
[18:27] <cgtdk> Arch and Debian I think
[18:27] <auronandace> chaotix: sudo dd if=/path/to/iso of=/path/to/usb
[18:27] <gnuyoga> chaotix: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tools_to_create_Live_USB_systems
[18:27] <Aethysius> I'd like to keep using Kubuntu, but use those applications, if that's possible.
[18:27] <LaitEntier> I'll continue then, hope I am not interrupting anything but I am having major headaches: I just installed Xubuntu 12.04 on my MacBook Pro 4,1, and I am unable to get any sound
[18:27] <chaotix> Thanks, guys...
[18:27] <auronandace> chaotix: please be very careful with using dd
[18:28] <chaotix> auronandace, i think i will be looking for another solution
[18:28] <chaotix> a gui solution
[18:28] <cgtdk> chaotix: why?
[18:29] <chaotix> cgtdk, I don't think i am a novice in the cmd line, but i certainly am not a linux genie by any standards.
[18:29] <cgtdk> chaotix: It's not difficult to use dd (if the ISO works properly with it for the purpose)
[18:29] <chaotix> cgtdk, it just looks like a lot could go wrong, is all
[18:30] <cgtdk> chaotix: It can if you do it wrong, but it's easy to do it right
[18:30] <cgtdk> just triple check that you're writing to the correct device
[18:30] <juanpablo> hola necesito ayuda
[18:30] <ripthejacker> how to add new mimetype?
[18:31] <purpledude> leave #ubuntu
[18:31] <auronandace> purpledude: /part
[18:32] <LaitEntier> Can someone read this? Or do I have to auth myself or something
[18:32] <chaotix> Perhaps ot a btt, i must warn that linuxlive usb installer has broken countless flash drives in my opinion.  They boot up fine and work great.  It's just when you go to reformat, than you run into problemns
[18:32] <purpledude> auronandace: thanks. Trying to get a grasp of IRC and XChat.
[18:32] <auronandace> purpledude: #freenode would be happy to help you
[18:32] <LaitEntier> hello
[18:33] <tones_> LaitEntier, you are here
[18:33] <purpledude> auronandace: thanks for the suggestion.
[18:33] <LaitEntier> ah sweet!
[18:33] <LaitEntier> Then I'll patiently wait until someone has some time for my sound issue
[18:34] <bazhang> !sound | LaitEntier have a read
[18:35] <Captain_Proton> OerHeks, thans for that sorry having all kinds of problems here. I was not able to find the keys in Password keyring
[18:36] <era> hi everybody
[18:36] <reisio> hi friend
[18:36] <era> : )
[18:37] <era> hmm can anybody see what im typing ?
[18:37] <wilee-nilee> era, Yep, if you see it we do.
[18:38] <reisio> era: are you typing 'hmm can anybody see what im typing ?'? If so, yes
[18:38] <era> yea xD
[18:38] <krad> Linux ubuntu 2.6.31.6 <-- what's the code name for my distro?
[18:39] <DuPe> krad: lsb_release -a
[18:40] <wilee-nilee> krad, Chances are whatever it is is end of life.
[18:40] <DuPe> i'd guess 9.10
[18:40] <era> what is the best ubuntu version
[18:41] <wilee-nilee> era, Best is what you think is best not the group.
[18:41] <DuPe> depends on purpose. 12:04 LTS for stability/servers, 13.04 for new and shiny
[18:42] <LaitEntier> bazhang, thanks for your link. I have checked the sound preferences, everything is at it's highest. No sound comes from speakers, but very little from headphones. I also have the famous red light coming from the jack, which I know how to turn of. But after boot it's on again
[18:43] <krad> what is oneiric
[18:43] <LaitEntier> And also, my soundcard is detected
[18:43] <wilee-nilee> krad, 11.10 and eol
[18:43] <krad> what is eol
[18:43] <wilee-nilee> eol
[18:43] <wilee-nilee> !eol
[18:43] <krad> context?
[18:43] <fintler> eol = end of line?
[18:44] <krad> ok
[18:44] <fintler> it's overloaded a bit :)
[18:44] <era> how can i run ubuntu 11.10 bluetooth drivers on 13.04 ?
[18:44] <krad> so i cant upgrade from Ubuntu 11.04 to latest directly?
[18:44] <wilee-nilee> era, Why would you.
[18:44] <era> i don't want to use 13.04 bluetooth' drivers
[18:45] <ss_haze> I have 8 seconds long video
[18:45] <ss_haze> when I put it in slowmo video app it shows that I have 0 frames
[18:45] <ss_haze> just why
[18:45] <ss_haze> it just doesn't ends extracting frames from the video file
[18:45] <FloodBot1> ss_haze: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:45] <wilee-nilee> era, Basically you would have to install them and lock them in synaptic, if they worked.
[18:45] <ss_haze> soory floodbot
[18:46] <era> so how ? anybody can help ?
[18:46] <wilee-nilee> krad, The eol link tells you how to do eol upgrades, you would have to go to 11.10 ten 12.04, a lot of time and could fail, I would fresh install myself.
[18:46] <era> i want to replace the whole Bluetooth drivers on 13.04 with 11.10's ....
[18:46] <levo> i want to delete some packages but i get "The following packages have unmet dependencies: " and showing some packages. what can i do?
[18:47] <auronandace> era: that simply isn't supported here
[18:47] <wilee-nilee> levo, What are the packages you want to remove?
[18:48] <levo> wilee-nilee: all the packages related to KDE desktop
[18:48] <soahccc> how would you wait in a init script for the mysql server to start up? Mysql doesn't seem to provide LSB information
[18:48] <era> levo , you must upgrade your system to a newer version
[18:48] <era> that's how simple it is
[18:48] <levo> era: i don't want to
[18:48] <wilee-nilee> levo, Look here in the playing around section. http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/
[18:49] <wilee-nilee> levo, If you have already pecked at kde you will have to use the removal lists, and any errors of packages not found can be removed from the list till you get a clean removal.
[18:50] <levo> wilee-nilee: i copy pasted the code but got those errors
[18:50] <wilee-nilee> levo, Pastebin them
[18:50] <levo> wilee-nilee: ok
[18:50] <krad> hi
[18:50] <alexa> how to exclude folders when typing cat *.* ?
[18:52] <McDeffice> Hello I'm having trouble correctly installed my graphics card. This is a Radeon HD 5870. I have ubuntu 10.4 with kernel 3.10.0-999-generic. What can I do to properly install?
[18:52] <wilee-nilee> McDeffice, 10.04 desktop is end of life.
[18:52] <wilee-nilee> not supported
[18:52] <reisio> alexa: find . -maxdepth 1 -type f -exec cat {} \;
[18:52] <McDeffice> 12.04 sorry
[18:52] <wilee-nilee> nor that kernel
[18:53] <reisio> alexa: not that I'd do that :p
[18:53] <alexa> how to exclude directories when typing cat *.* ? There's this problem when some directory has dots in name
[18:53] <wilee-nilee> McDeffice, That kernel is not supported
[18:53] <levo> wilee-nilee: http://pastebin.com/2DDaeLTv
[18:54] <wilee-nilee> levo, I would look in synaptic broken packages and deal with the error there.
[18:54] <fintler> alexa: 'find . -type f | xargs cat' ... is that the kind of thing you're looking for?
[18:54] <wilee-nilee> levo, Then run the removals
[18:55] <McDeffice> wilee-nilee -> Thanks you, so i need downgrade my kernel before all.
[18:55] <fintler> alexa: maybe... 'find . -iname "*.*" -type f | xargs cat'
[18:56] <wilee-nilee> McDeffice, Basically we only support stock kernels. You should have the original still there if you have not removed it.
[18:58] <Ari-Yang> McDeffice, I think it's fairly easy to boot an old kernel by default
[18:59] <Ari-Yang> McDeffice,  google it or maybe someone here who knows can tell you (I don't know how to myself).
[18:59] <tones_> if everything you run is ok, what benefit is there to installing the newest kernel?
[18:59] <Captain_Proton>  anyone run into a problem that they can not type in the unity hud
[19:00] <bekks> tones_: There is none.
[19:00] <wilee-nilee> tones_, Stree cred is about it.
[19:00] <wilee-nilee> street
[19:00] <tones_> hehe
[19:00] <Ari-Yang> bekks, that is not entirely true
[19:00] <Ari-Yang> I'm sure there are benefits
[19:00] <wilee-nilee> tones_, You lose support though
[19:00] <bekks> Ari-Yang: So name at least one of them.
[19:01] <Ari-Yang> too lazy too, just look at the kernel's change log lol
[19:01] <wheatthin> support for newer hardware, and hardware modifications
[19:01] <Ari-Yang> ^ that too
[19:01] <Ari-Yang> tones_, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[19:01] <Ari-Yang> if you're curious
[19:01] <Ari-Yang> latest stable is 3.9.7
[19:02] <NuggaBoomBoom> HELP ME TO INSTALL IA32 LIBS NUGGAZZ
[19:02] <auronandace> Ari-Yang: we don't support ppas here
[19:02] <wheatthin> NuggaBoomBoom, plz watch the racial remarks
[19:02] <LaitEntier> I don't know what to do next. I have added my model to the alsa conf, turned off the red light, increased all the sliders to max, nothing is muted (everything is at OO), my soundcard is detected. anyone got suggestions?
[19:02] <Ari-Yang> so I'm on 12.10, I know that kernel 3.11 will have the new radeon open source drivers patch; I would definitely upgrade because of power management.
[19:02] <bekks> wheatthin: which newer hardware? The hardware doesnt automagically renews itself. And the prerequisit was "everything you run is ok".
[19:02] <NuggaBoomBoom> i didnt mean anything racial mother yaar
[19:02] <Ari-Yang> auronandace, so? I just linked in case he's interested
[19:02] <NuggaBoomBoom> racism is for criminals..and they are nuggaz
[19:02] <^^Shadow^^> Shut up
[19:03] <Ari-Yang> bekks, tbh we're kind of going off topic, if we're going to discuss/debate we should do it in #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:03] <wheatthin> NuggaBoomBoom, this isn't a chatroom, and you can get yourself banned very quickly
[19:03] <tones_> uname -a for kernel version
[19:03] <DJones> wheatthin: To late with that comment
[19:03] <wheatthin> :)
[19:04] <Ari-Yang> tones_, uname -r too in terminal
[19:04] <McDeffice> Ari-Yang -> Ok thanks for this informations
[19:04] <Ari-Yang> you're welcome
[19:04] <^^Shadow^^> This is great
[19:04] <Ari-Yang> tones_, you can also type this to get a list of kernels on your system: ls /boot | grep vmlinuz | cut -d'-' -f2,3
[19:05] <Ari-Yang> I currently have 3.5.0-28,30,31,32, and 34. Total of 5
[19:05] <LaitEntier> so nobody?
[19:05] <^^Shadow^^> is there a room for hackers here
[19:06] <wilee-nilee> !patience > LaitEntier
[19:06] <wheatthin> nope
[19:06] <bekks> tones_: dpkg -l | grep linux-image
[19:06] <Ari-Yang> tones_, dpkg -l | grep linux-header for headers
[19:09] <prahlad> on ubuntu, what is the best IDE for python to use? (I'm looking primarily for code-completion since I'm a python beginner..)
[19:09] <Ari-Yang> apparently, a lot of people are already trying out the radeon patches with their current kernels.... (not waiting for 3.11)
[19:09] <tones_> dpkg -l, that's the big one,thanks :)
[19:10] <prahlad> I'm on ubuntu 13.04
[19:10] <Ari-Yang> lets say I were to install the radeon open source driver from git, but I'm currently using the one that's provided by ubuntu's repos. Would the one from git replace the repos or should I purge the one I currently have, then install the git version?
[19:10] <bekks> prahlad: So just choose a text editor with code completion.
[19:10] <prahlad> bekks: I'm currently using gedit, but it doesn't have any..
[19:11] <DJones> !ide | prahlad
[19:11] <McDeffice> Ari-Yang -> for change the kernel default i think is : /etc/kernel/postrm.d/zz-update-grub x.x.x-x-generic
[19:12] <prahlad> ubottu: Since I have neither time nor patience to try each one of them, I'm asking you experts what you feel is the best one based on your practical experience ?
[19:12] <bekks> prahlad: It does. View -> Hilight Mode -> Scripts -> Python.
[19:12] <bekks> !bot | prahlad
[19:12] <iBelieve> prahlad, I've used geany, which is nice
[19:12] <Ari-Yang> McDeffice, ummm... no I don't think that's it....
[19:12] <Ari-Yang> I looked up ways on booting old kernels by default, and I've never seen that way
[19:13] <Ari-Yang> (looked this up a while back)
[19:13] <DJones> prahlad: The best way of learning is to try for yourself, people can suggest things, but there may be other and better software, or what is suggested might not be right for you
[19:13] <mamed> hello ubuntu youtube problem.
[19:13] <Ari-Yang> I remember something about the current kernel you're using is 0, and if you want to use an old version you edit a grub file and replace 0 with -1 (your old previous kernel)
[19:13] <Ari-Yang> but I'm not 100%
[19:14] <bekks> !details | mamed
[19:14] <mamed> ubuntu 12.04 32 bit system . i am sometimes able to watch youtube videos but sometines not
[19:14] <McDeffice> Ari-Yang -> my source is http://askubuntu.com/questions/233380/how-do-i-downgrade-kernel-on-12-10
[19:14] <mamed> i though it is a flash problem but i can watch the videos in other sites . is this a youtube ip problem or something like that
[19:15] <prahlad> bekks/iBelieve: Is the code-completion in either gedit or geany smart enough to list out all functions/objects/etc.. from all the modules ?
[19:16] <prahlad> I've worked with Java/Eclipse previously and eclipse seems to do that. It actually allows me to browse thru definitions of each library method/class.
[19:17] <friday_> how export highlight from okular for file.txt?
[19:18] <lauratika> when i try to apt-get update i get this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/5808746/
[19:18] <schultza> how do i move /var to it's own partition after-install. A user's root (/) partition is filling up because of /var.
[19:18] <schultza> Mostly /var/cache
[19:19] <iBelieve> prahlad, if you've used Eclipse, I think there is a Python plugin, and that would probably have good completion.
[19:19] <reisio> schultza: http://www.google.com/search?q=new%20partitions%20after%20the%20fact
[19:19] <wilee-nilee> mamed, Not really enough details, like the browser used for example for one.
[19:20] <vedic> Is this correct for setting up bridge network for KVM based virtual machine? Host is a remote server running 12.04 LTS with single public ip address http://pastebin.com/bHbXhAXw
[19:20] <mamed> hmm firefox and chornomium firefox is 21 . but i can watch videos in epiphany
[19:20] <reisio> #kvm
[19:20] <prahlad> iBelieve: I know about the pyDev plugin, but I'm trying to find something lightweight like geany or something. Eclipse is an overkill for what I want..
[19:20] <mamed> i think the problem is youtube ip or dns servers .
[19:20] <wilee-nilee> mamed, FF has updated to 22 in the repos
[19:21] <mamed> hmm
[19:21] <mamed> do you think will it solve my problem
[19:21] <mamed> since i made a fresh insrtallation of ubuntu 12.04 i face this problem and no solution yet
[19:21] <Ari-Yang> McDeffice, did it work?
[19:21] <wilee-nilee> mamed, No idea, but being updated is a good idea, you description is missing details.
[19:22] <wilee-nilee> your*
[19:22] <mamed> wilee-nilee, wht ca you give more
[19:22] <rypervenche> prahlad: All of the cool kids use vim :)
[19:22] <mamed> can I*
[19:22] <mamed> ok i will update fire
[19:22] <bekks> prahlad: Why dont you just use eclipse again? :)
[19:22] <McDeffice> Ari-Yang -> yes, i'am on 3.8.0-26-generic, whatis the laslest (current)  version?
[19:23] <wilee-nilee> mamed, What flash you have and being updated would help, an unusual problem to some extent so it is a look for the varibles and knock them off to get to an answer.
[19:23] <prahlad> rypervenche: This is 2013 and the word "vim" sounds a bit rustic.!!
[19:23] <prahlad> bekks: will give it a try then..
[19:23] <shin_doctor> hey everyone!
[19:24] <Ari-Yang> McDeffice, https://www.kernel.org/
[19:24] <Ari-Yang> current latest stable is 3.9.8
[19:24] <Ari-Yang> it's in the ppa link I linked you earlier McDeffice, so you can just get the necessary .deb files from it.
[19:24] <Ari-Yang> or you can compile yourself *shrugs*
[19:26] <shin_doctor> does anyone have experience with ubuntu using the asus 1215n?
[19:26] <Ari-Yang> shin_doctor, just ask your question.
[19:26] <Ari-Yang> (afk)
[19:26] <wilee-nilee> mamed, just run sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  to get fully updated.
[19:27] <mamed> i am justing updating the firefox also i have a kernel update but i dont want it now
[19:27] <mamed> cause i have to restart sytem bla
[19:27] <wilee-nilee> shin_doctor, The channel works with you stating the actual problem.
[19:27] <stasutsta> what is the largest public torrent tracker?
[19:27] <wilee-nilee> !ot | stasutsta
[19:27] <mamed> interesting
[19:28] <mamed> it opened the video immediately
[19:28] <shin_doctor> well, I'm totally new to linux in general, and I'm having some issues with display flickering when searching for files
[19:28] <mamed> i will try to switch videos
[19:28] <stasutsta> what is the biggest torrent tracker.. with ubuntu distron on it?
[19:28] <wilee-nilee> mamed, If you are not going to be updated your just wasting our time here.
[19:28] <mamed> wilee-nilee, so it was a firefox problem
[19:28] <mamed> thank you so much
[19:29] <mamed> also i realised something when firefox has a new version the old version starts to consume so much memory
[19:30] <wilee-nilee> stasutsta, That is off topic go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:30] <mamed> hehe no content again
[19:31]  * mamed still thinks youtube problem is about ubuntu 12.04
[19:32] <shin_doctor> what youtube problem?
[19:34] <rawrmonster> This has nothing to do with ubuntu today but the close future. I was trying to find out why ubuntu is switching to mir and what the advantages are but all i can seem to find on line is that mir is a collection of libs that has no server by default, and that the desktop enviroment would host the mir server, or something like that.
[19:34] <mamed> i am glad and looking forward see mir
[19:35] <mamed> also it would be great if ubuntu would develop its own Desktop enviroment in Qt
[19:35] <LaitEntier> In case anyone is interested, I have documented my sound problem here http://askubuntu.com/questions/314043/how-to-get-sound-on-macbook-pro-4-1 with all the results from commands and the soundtroubleshooting page
[19:35] <wilee-nilee> rawrmonster, Not within channel support, that info is on the web though to some extent.
[19:35] <mamed> yes i have sound problem also pid f
[19:35] <gandaro> is there a tool to show one text file page at a time? (pages separated by ^L, like ietf RFCs are)
[19:35] <mamed> icannot use my high definition
[19:36] <rawrmonster> wilee-nilee: i would not have asked here if i did not look it up. I have gone through 18 pages of google and still have not found my answer
[19:36] <wilee-nilee> rawrmonster, Right, still not a part of support is all. ;)
[19:36] <pzn> I have problems in ubuntu install. "failed to create ext4 filesystem". same problem on 5 brand new computers. tried ubuntu desktop 12.10 64bit and 13.04 64bit. motherboard is gigabyte GA-Z77-DS3H. tried at bios to configure SATA as IDE and as AHCI. nothing solved. any hints?
[19:37] <wilee-nilee> pzn, You familiar with the partition amount limitations ?
[19:37] <rawrmonster> wilee-nilee: is there a mir channel? or does ubuntu have an off topic channel?
[19:38] <Ari-Yang> there is #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:38] <wilee-nilee> rawrmonster, #ubuntu-offtopic is there, not sure about a mir channel.
[19:38] <pzn> wilee-nilee, just a single 250GB HD. just 2 partitions. 50GB ext4 and 2GB swap.
[19:38] <wilee-nilee> pzn, If you are on it can you run sudo fdisk -l and pastebin the text.
[19:39] <pzn> wilee-nilee, the problem is not about creating the partition. the problem is when ubuntu install is doing "mkfs ext4"
[19:40] <wilee-nilee> pzn, Ah, I just use gparted so can't really help there.
[19:40] <pzn> wilee-nilee, for some weird reason, both ubuntu versions fail at the same install part. when they are creating the ext4 filesystem
[19:41] <wilee-nilee> pzn, Post your code though someone may see an error
[19:41] <wilee-nilee> post the whole process really in a pastenbin
[19:41] <McDeffice> Ari-Yang -> i from here 3.9.0 (not 3.9.8) : http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.9-raring/i think is the official kernel for my raring
[19:43] <bipul> i have 3 IP's 192.168.56.1, 192.168.56.101 and 192.168.56.102 ,  I want my packet of IP-192.168.56.1 should reach to the IP-192.168.56.102 via IP-192.168.56.101 is it possible from add route command?.
[19:44] <ikonia> bipul: what ?
[19:44] <pzn> wilee-nilee, put ubuntu USB stick (12.10 or 13.04), go to install process clicking next. on hard drives select the first option (erase and install ubuntu without prompting user for partitions or sizes). then after 1~2 minutes it fails with message "the ext4 file system creation in partition #1 (sda) failed"
[19:44] <ikonia> bipul: can you try to explain that again please,
[19:44] <Ari-Yang> McDeffice, I don't know what Raring's current kernel is.... and I don't think it's in that ppa
[19:44] <HisaoNakai> ubottu - ping.
[19:44] <ikonia> !info linux-image
[19:44] <bipul> ikonia, i am runing 3 ubuntu with three different IP's on vboxnet0
[19:45] <ikonia> bipul: ok so 3 seperate VM's all with different IP adresses ?
[19:45] <bipul> And the  3 IP's 192.168.56.1, 192.168.56.101 and 192.168.56.102 ,  I want my packet of IP-192.168.56.1 should reach to the IP-192.168.56.102 via IP-192.168.56.101 is it possible from add route command?.
[19:45] <Ari-Yang> !info linux-image
[19:45] <ikonia> bipul: you need to use a router (such as ip tables) not add a route
[19:45] <bipul> Something like that mine packet should go from A to C  via B.
[19:45] <wilee-nilee> pzn, Are these computers with W8?
[19:46] <wilee-nilee> or a uefi setup?
[19:46] <bipul> ikonia, are you sure add route will not work.
[19:46] <ikonia> bipul: how many virtual machines do you have ?
[19:46] <pzn> wilee-nilee, brand new computers, brand new HDs. they didn't came with W8
[19:46] <ikonia> as I understand it, 3
[19:46] <Ari-Yang> McDeffice, I'm not 100%, but maybe current latest Raring kernel is 3.8.0.25.43 ?
[19:46] <Ari-Yang> that's what the bot says
[19:46] <ikonia> that is the current stable kernel, yes
[19:46] <bipul> 2 virtual machine and 1 host using Host-only vboxnet0
[19:46] <pzn> wilee-nilee, what is a UEFI setup? sorry for being newbie
[19:47] <Ari-Yang> McDeffice, there you have it, 3.8.0.25.43 is the latest for Raring
[19:47] <lasers> !UFO | pz
[19:47] <wilee-nilee> pzn, Cool, best support fro uefi is at the UF with this poster, here is a link to a help on this, start a thread if needed. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295
[19:47] <ikonia> bipul: ok, so the host has one IP on vboxnet0 and then you have 2 virtual machines with their virtual nic's assigned to vboxnet0 too
[19:47] <ikonia> bipul: is that correct ?
[19:47] <McDeffice> Ok thanks Ari-Yang and ikonia
[19:47] <bipul> ikonia, yes
[19:47] <wilee-nilee> !uefi > pzn here is a wiki as well.
[19:47] <ikonia> bipul: so where to you want traffic to go to/from
[19:48] <bipul> Host is having IP-192.168.56.1 and other two virtual machine IP's are 192.168.56.101/102
[19:48] <wilee-nilee> !uefi > pzn
[19:48] <ikonia> bipul: ok, so where/what do you want to happen with the traffic
[19:48] <bekks> bipul: Then change the IP of one of your vms.
[19:48] <bipul> From host 192.168.56.1 to 192.168.56.102 via 192.168.56.101
[19:48] <wilee-nilee> pzn, Personally I would have the W8 backed up as well.
[19:49] <ikonia> bipul: I'm sorry that is totally foolish
[19:49] <ikonia> bipul: you will need to setup routing for that to happen,
[19:50] <bipul> Yes that's what i am looking for, routing the packets in short i have to make 192.168.56.101 as a router
[19:50] <ikonia> bipul: no, you'll need to make the host route everything to 101 - then you'll need to make 101 route anything for 102 to the 102 machine
[19:51] <bipul> ikonia, ok so how it will happen.
[19:51] <ikonia> bipul: exactly how I've just said
[19:51] <bipul> can you please repeat it
[19:52] <ikonia> bipul: no, you'll need to make the host route everything to 101  - then you'll need to make 101 route anything for 102 to the 102 machine
[19:52] <ikonia> bipul: although I will also say again, this is a waste of time and pointless routing setup
[19:52] <ikonia> I can see no reason to do this
[19:52] <ikonia> you may as well put the 102 device on a seperate network
[19:52] <ikonia> the whole point of putting them on the same network is so they can talk to each other without routing
[19:53] <lmat> What's the best free first person shooter? (I've never played one before, and I thought I would give it a whirl)
[19:53] <wlan222> Hello
[19:53] <wlan222> Sauerbraten
[19:53] <wilee-nilee> howdee
[19:53] <madprops> nexuiz
[19:54] <wilee-nilee> !best > lmat
[19:55] <lmat> Oh yeah, I have dial up.
[19:55] <irreverant> What?1
[19:55] <irreverant> DUP?
[19:55] <wlan222> I formatted my Stick with HFS+ and know Ubuntu wont create an entry at /dev/
[19:55] <wilee-nilee> lmat, Still off topic this is support.
[19:55] <irreverant> lmat: what's type of modem you using?
[19:56] <lmat> wilee-nilee: Oh, okay.
[19:56] <lmat> irreverant: I'll have to check when I get home :)
[19:56] <genii> wlan222: Do you have hfsplus and hfsutils installed?
[19:57] <wlan222> hfsutils
[19:58] <wilee-nilee> lmat, You will probably have to just try stuff to see what works for you like the rest of us. ;)
[19:58] <Ari-Yang> lmat, if you want to go off topic check out #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:58] <wlan222> genii: i have hfsutils
[19:59] <genii> wlan222: Might need additionally the hfsplus package for write support.
[20:00] <wlan222> genii: The Stick doesnt even appear on /dev/
[20:01] <genii> wlan222: What does dmesg say after you plug it in?
[20:01] <wlan222> genii: http://pastebin.com/daS5UAXf
[20:03] <genii> wlan222: Very odd that no sdX designation.
[20:04] <wlan222> genii: I want to reformat it to NTFS or ext
[20:05] <wlan222> genii: http://pastebin.com/Q6P5XrJ7 Syslog
[20:06] <genii> wlan222: I'm not sure why it's using ehci-pci
[20:07] <wlan222> genii: Im using a custom kernel
[20:07] <wlan222> genii: Is it that ?
[20:08] <genii> wlan222: Probably. Did you compile usb storage driver as a module or so? I'd probably try loading it if it exists.
[20:08] <wlan222> genii: Its Ubuntu 12.04 with 3.9.8
[20:08] <wlan222> genii: Let me check that
[20:10] <genii> wlan222: eg: sudo modprobe usb-storage   ...or so
[20:10] <wlan222> genii: FATAL: Module usb_storage not found.
[20:11] <genii> wlan222: There ya go then.
[20:12] <wlan222> genii: Why isnt that default ?
[20:13] <wlan222> genii: Say Y here if you want to connect USB mass storage devices to your
[20:13] <wlan222> computer's USB port.
[20:15] <lmat> wilee-nilee: Unfortunately, I only have one night, and maybe tomorrow, too.
[20:15] <lmat> Ari-Yang: Thanks!
[20:15] <genii> wlan222: Probably you didn't follow the recommendation of !compile to copy your existing kernel config and then modify that
[20:16] <genii> ( because it IS default selection there)
[20:16] <wlan222> genii: I did but i guess something went wrong... :D
[20:18] <genii> wlan222: Another possibility is that you didn't do: make modules
[20:19] <wlan222> genii: fixed it
[20:19] <wlan222> genii: Thats what i like about Linux You can recompile the Kernel and fix such stuff on runtime
[20:20] <genii> wlan222: If you don't like rebooting perhaps check out ksplice sometime.
[20:21] <wlan222> genii: Im running this Linux on a Laptop
[20:22] <wlan222> genii: A Reboot is sometimes unevitable
[20:28] <Jayayseakay> Hello :)
[20:29] <wlan222> Hello
[20:30] <Jayayseakay> How is everyone :)
[20:30] <Jayayseakay> just built my new rig :D
[20:32] <hattusili_III> Hey, I was wondering if anyone could help me with this odd problem I have. anytime i play video with either the default "videos" app
[20:32] <hattusili_III> or with VLC, everything slows down, and the video stutters
[20:40] <UTF-8> hi
[20:41] <b0red> Ubuntu 11.10
[20:41] <b0red> is that latest
[20:41] <genii> Heh, no.
[20:41] <b0red> apt-get dist-upgrade keeps it 11.10 why
[20:41] <DJones> b0red: 11.10 is end of life now
[20:42] <DJones> Current versions are 12.04LTS or 13.04
[20:42] <genii> b0red: dist-upgrade does not bump your ubuntu version number.
[20:42] <b0red> what does?
[20:42] <Ari-Yang> or 12.10
[20:42] <b0red> do-release-upgrade
[20:43] <Ari-Yang> b00b00, http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[20:43] <wilee-nilee> !eol | b0red look at eol upgrades
[20:43] <Ari-Yang> !upgrade
[20:43] <Ari-Yang> !dist-upgrade
[20:43] <DJones> Ari-Yang: Good point, I forget about that one
[20:43] <Ari-Yang> *nod*
[20:44] <aleval> hello
[20:45] <aleval> anybody can help me writing a small bash script?
[20:45] <ikonia> the guys in #bash maybe ?
[20:45] <aleval> ok
[20:45] <aleval> thanks
[20:47] <serveur-yeman> s
[20:49] <slimjimflim> hi, i just tried to upgrade my bcm4312 throught he 'additional drivers' window and now ifconfig doesn't show any wlan0.  can anyone help?  i'm on xubuntu 12.04
[20:50] <adie> :/
[20:52] <akurilin> I'm having trouble with rebooting Ubuntu 12.04. It freezes on a black screen at some point in the reboot process and I Have to power down the machine to get past it. I followed the official advice to try either reboot=pci or reboot=bios in /etc/default/grub and neither have made a difference. Does anyone have more insight into what might be going on?
[20:53] <akurilin> I'd love to look at some logs if I knew which ones to open up.
[20:53] <nene> oi
[20:53] <slimjimflim> akurilin: ps -A
[20:54] <slimjimflim> akurilin: see if anything's defunct and do a killall on it before you reboot
[20:54] <nene> #ubuntu
[20:54] <akurilin> slimjimflim, defunct?
[20:56] <slimjimflim> akurilin: ya it'll say defunct
[20:56] <antoniomartins> my ubuntu machine for some reason got all doors closed, I can restart the virtual machine and have the system in the folder /repair and change any file in there. Is there any file that I can change to open at least port 22 for ssh ???
[20:57] <slimjimflim> akurilin: gtg.  good luck
[20:57] <luist> anyone familiar with multistrap?
[20:58] <Jayayseakay> Ah I miss the font rendering of Linux
[20:59] <Jayayseakay> On Win7 now and its ropey
[21:01] <b0red> i upgraded ubuntu.. i'm now getting alot of these messages: udevd[887]: mknod '/dev/tty60' 4:60 020620' failed: Read-only file system
[21:01] <b0red> udevd[897]: mknod '/dev/tty62' 4:62 020620' failed: Read-only file system
[21:01] <b0red> udevd[888]: mknod '/dev/tty61' 4:61 020620' failed: Read-only file system
[21:01] <b0red> and it doesn't even reach the login
[21:01] <b0red> how would i go about fixing that
[21:02] <hellonoobs> it happens when you upgrade ubuntu
[21:03] <b0red> it's a VPS
[21:03] <b0red> what am i supposed to do now
[21:04] <b0red> grub-editenv: error: cannot open the file /boot/grub/grubenv.
[21:04] <b0red> read only read only ..
[21:08] <McDeffice> !radeon
[21:09] <Prock81> can i get help with this "LIBDBUSMENU-GLIB-WARNING **: Unable to get session bus: The connection is closed"
[21:09] <Prock81> in a term, xgps keeps saying that
[21:10] <Prock81> im tring to get my built in GPS on my laptop working? with opencpm
[21:11] <Ari-Yang> McDeffice, I recommend to use the open source radeon driver because the proprietary one, fglrx, sucks (horrible 2d acceleration, unless you're going to do a lot of gaming). Though radeon open source driver is improving, you might want to take a look at this http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?81666-AMD-Has-Massive-Radeon-Patch-Set-Power-Management!&p=338568#post338568
[21:11] <Prock81> i have this... but it cant seem to use it... /dev/serial/by-id/usb-Foxconn_Dell_Wireless_5630__EVDO-HSPA__Mobile_Broadband_Mini-Card-if0
[21:13] <Giwrgaras> can you name some usefull terminal commands to learn? all i know is sudo apt-get install remove, ls and cd
[21:14] <McDeffice> Ari-Yang -> Thanks you!!!  yes the proprietary is bad and sucks
[21:14] <StevenR> Giwrgaras: learn to use find, grep, sed, awk, the bash builtins, apt-cache, and just keep exploring! :) Good luck!
[21:14] <Ari-Yang> *nod*
[21:14] <Giwrgaras> sounds tough
[21:15] <rypervenche> Giwrgaras: http://linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php (click on "Download it here")
[21:15] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal &&  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommandlineHowto
[21:15] <litepool> how do i save a crontab when using crontab -e?
[21:16] <bekks> litepool: Press these keys: : w q enter
[21:16] <rawrmonster> I am trying to install steam from "ubuntu Software center" on a fresh install and when i click on it i get an error "not found, the package steam launcher can not be found" i have never had an issue before?
[21:16] <rypervenche> litepool: That depends on which editor you are using. If it's vim, do what bekks said. If it's nano, ctrl+o, ctrl+x
[21:17] <litepool> say i want to edit it without terminal
[21:17] <litepool> can i>?
[21:17] <Prock81> can anyone help me enable my gps thats built into my laptop
[21:17] <litepool> i'v logged into my ubuntu through ssh rypervenche bekks
[21:17] <hellonoobs> litepool: no
[21:18] <rypervenche> litepool: While it is possible, I would not recommend it.
[21:18] <litepool> which other method can i use than crontab -e
[21:18] <Ari-Yang> litepool, use VIM without terminal? well there are frontends, gVIM and VIM gtk
[21:18] <hellonoobs> Ari-Yang: hes in ssh you noob
[21:19] <litepool> thank yoy
[21:19] <litepool> hellonoobs, what hsould i do then
[21:19] <hellonoobs> litepool: use an editor that you can use in an ssh env
[21:19] <hellonoobs> like vim
[21:19] <reisio> 'Vim' :p
[21:19] <litepool> damn how do i just edit
[21:20] <litepool> i can't exist this shit
[21:20] <hellonoobs> what
[21:20] <Ari-Yang> /quit
[21:20] <Ari-Yang> ?
[21:20] <reisio> litepool: what's wrong with crontab -e?
[21:20] <litepool> i type stuff but can't exit
[21:20] <guntbert> litepool: minf your language please
[21:20] <litepool> or save
[21:20] <litepool> residio
[21:20] <hellonoobs> litepool: in vim type :z
[21:20] <hellonoobs> :x
[21:20] <hellonoobs> that saves and exits
[21:20] <Ari-Yang> ......
[21:20] <litepool> ok say i did crontab -e
[21:20] <Ari-Yang> I thought wq saves and exits
[21:20] <litepool> i can't edit right now
[21:21] <hellonoobs> Ari-Yang: same thing
[21:21] <hellonoobs> w writes
[21:21] <Ari-Yang> ah
[21:21] <hellonoobs> q quits
[21:21] <hellonoobs> x does 2 in 1
[21:21] <guntbert> Ari-Yang: :x is short for :wq
[21:21] <reisio> sudo apt-get install nano; EDITOR=`which nano` crontab -e
[21:21] <Ari-Yang> litepool, to edit hit i or a
[21:21] <litepool> Ari-Yang, and for save
[21:22] <rawrmonster> can someone help me install steam from the repo i have having major issues?
[21:22] <Ari-Yang> litepool, go to "GUI" mode by hitting colon (shift+colon) and hit w then enter
[21:22] <litepool> i dont have gui
[21:22] <hellonoobs> rawrmonster: maybe just try again later and resync the repo
[21:22] <Ari-Yang> no litepool it's called "GUI"
[21:22] <Ari-Yang> hence the quotes
[21:23] <Giwrgaras> why should i use ls instead of dir? despite the fact that its colored and looks prettier
[21:23] <Ari-Yang> litepool, just hit the colon (:) button (shift and : ofc) then hit w and then enter
[21:23] <rawrmonster> hellonoobs: I'm getting an error saying the file isn't found?
[21:23] <Ari-Yang> litepool, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VimHowto
[21:23] <Ari-Yang> good luck
[21:23] <hellonoobs> rawrmonster: yeah maybe its just a 404 error
[21:23] <hellonoobs> or some sort
[21:23] <hellonoobs> i cant imagine something like that lasting long
[21:23] <rawrmonster> hellonoobs: ahh ok that bites
[21:24] <litepool> i'm in crontab
[21:24] <litepool> crontab -e
[21:24] <litepool> ah man
[21:24] <hellonoobs> kill yourself
[21:24] <hellonoobs> now
[21:24] <Ari-Yang> !language > hellonoobs
[21:24] <Ari-Yang> >:I
[21:25] <JoshuaP> How do I check which of my ports are open?
[21:25] <Ari-Yang> !port
[21:25] <Ari-Yang> hmz
[21:25] <rawrmonster> hellonoobs: would that still make since if none of my purchased software is in the reinstall tab ether?
[21:25] <Ari-Yang> hellnoobs quit
[21:26] <Ari-Yang> * hellonoobs has quit (Quit: Page closed)
[21:26] <wissam_> Hi , How to substitute comma ( , ) with space using sed command?
[21:26] <litepool> i did ctrl + c, typed w and pressed enter, then quit and it worked.
[21:26] <Ari-Yang> litepool, this is a support channel for ubuntu btw
[21:26] <litepool> yes i'm sing ubuntu
[21:26] <JoshuaP> Ari-Yang: I was not looking for HOW to forward ports; I was trying to check my ports on my Ubuntu system.
[21:26] <litepool> using
[21:27] <Ari-Yang> litepool, yeah but you aren't asking /for support for/ ubuntu
[21:27] <Ari-Yang> see my point?
[21:27] <lj1102> Hey, hello everybody!
[21:27] <litepool> well if i look at it that way, a lot of things arn't related to ubuntu but related to it
[21:27] <Ari-Yang> JoshuaP, I know, was hoping that command would link you to checking ports.... I'm sure it's simple, google it
[21:27] <litepool> whatever thouhg, where else am i supposed to ask
[21:28] <Ari-Yang> litepool, you could google, and there might be a #vim or #vi channel
[21:28] <JoshuaP> Well I guess I have to because noone will help me here :p
[21:28] <Ari-Yang> first thing I do before asking, is google myself, 95% of the time I find my answers after googling
[21:28] <litepool> i gogoled
[21:28] <litepool> anywya
[21:29] <lj1102> Hey, someone here can help me with my internet connection, btw. i already googled a lot ;)
[21:29] <fnord> hi
[21:29] <ikonia> lj1102: people will help if you actually give detail rather than asking people who know nothing about your problem if they can help
[21:30] <starbuck> how can i determine what permissions newly created files and dirs of users will have?
[21:30] <ikonia> starbuck: they will have the permissions of the persona / group creating them
[21:30] <ikonia> starbuck: the directories mask sets the file creation ask
[21:30] <zykotick9> starbuck: "umask"
[21:31] <JoshuaP> Ari-Yang: for future reference (from google), it's $netstat -ntl :p
[21:31] <lj1102> I've a problem regarding DNS resolving, actually after a while some domains wont resolve anymore. Using a virtual machine from within my ubuntu system everything works fine.
[21:31] <lj1102> I'm getting timeouts for hosts that are pingable
[21:32] <ikonia> lj1102: what dns servers are you using
[21:32] <lj1102> how can i check that?
[21:32] <ikonia> lj1102: I thought you said you'd done a a lot of googling
[21:32] <ikonia> lj1102: checking the dns servers you are using if your dns is failing seems to be step 1
[21:32] <starbuck> ikonia: where is the config for that? i want every file created by a user to be rwx only for the user, rx for th eusergroup and nothing for others
[21:33] <ikonia> starbuck: it's in the users shell, check umask as instructed, "man umask"
[21:34] <lj1102> actually in my resolv.conf 127.0.1.1 is the only nameserver inside there
[21:35] <ikonia> lj1102: that's because ubuntu doesn't use resolv.conf as it uses a dnsmasq setup
[21:40] <zykotick9> wissam_: if you can use something other then sed... i use this for underscore to space "for i in *; do mv "$i" "`echo $i | tr '_' ' '`"; done"
[21:42] <lj1102> mhh, i've never configured dnsmasq, the config(dhclient.conf) is untouched
[21:42] <dn5> Anyone knows how can I run a tool which is in /home/tools/ directory from terminal without locating that path; just as I can run 'irssi' with irssi command
[21:43] <llutz> dn5: add  /home/tools/ to your $PATH
[21:43] <lj1102> dh5: put a symlink into your bin directory
[21:43] <dn5> how can I do that llutz?
[21:44] <llutz> dn5: like "export PATH=$PATH:/home/tools/  " in your ~/.bashrc
[21:44] <Prock81> im back
[21:44] <dn5> let me try llutz
[21:45] <Prock81> what would /dev/ttyS0 be
[21:45] <zykotick9> dn5: why aren't you using ubuntu's version of irssi... would be my question...
[21:45] <Prock81> and /dev/ttyS1
[21:45] <dn5> it's not about irssi, it's about other tools I have to use
[21:45] <llutz> Prock81: serial ports
[21:45] <Prock81> how could i tell if they relate to my gps hardware
[21:45] <slimjimflim> hi, can anyone tell me how to install my:
[21:45] <slimjimflim> Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY (rev 01)
[21:46] <slimjimflim> in 12.04?
[21:46] <ikonia> !broadcom | slimjimflim
[21:46] <Prock81> cause they show under some gps interface i have
[21:46] <genii> Broadcom needs to die.
[21:46] <slimjimflim> ikonia: i've been through that guide already
[21:47] <slimjimflim> genii: ikr
[21:47] <ikonia> slimjimflim: ok, so what's the issue, where is it failing
[21:47] <reisio> r owes me $50, tell him if you see him
[21:47] <slimjimflim> ikonia: i install the stuff, do the blacklists, reboot and/or modprobe but i never get a wlan0
[21:47] <Prock81> how can i tell what hte serial port to my gps is?
[21:47] <ikonia> slimjimflim: do the modules load ?
[21:47] <slimjimflim> also, i have 13 min before i lose wired access
[21:47] <slimjimflim> ikonia: yes
[21:47] <dn5> llutz i don't even have .bashrc
[21:48] <ikonia> slimjimflim: so what network interface devies do you have ?
[21:48] <llutz> Prock81: you might check "dmesg"
[21:48] <slimjimflim> lo and eth0
[21:48] <llutz> dn5: you should have, by default
[21:48] <ikonia> slimjimflim: so that suggests either a.) the mouldes have not loaded b.) or they are not compatible with your card
[21:49] <slimjimflim> ikonia: right, so i googled more and found this:
[21:49] <slimjimflim> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BroadcomSTA%28Wireless%29
[21:49] <slimjimflim> which didn't work either
[21:49] <dn5> I know
[21:49] <dn5> but..
[21:49] <ikonia> slimjimflim: I suggest working out which one of my statements is true
[21:49] <zykotick9> llutz: if dn5 used useradd, instead of adduser - then .bashrc might not be there.  dn5 copy the blank from /etc/skel/
[21:50] <zykotick9> s/blank/default/
[21:50] <dn5> i do have bash.bashrc
[21:50] <dn5> but don't have a folder .bashrc
[21:50] <llutz> zykotick9: million reasons why not having the file, thats why i said: by default
[21:50] <Prock81> llutz: i have checked dmesg before but this time there is a Frack Load of "[ 9173.451946] ERROR @wl_cfg80211_get_station : Wrong Mac address" but this time i have gotten a bit further
[21:51] <zykotick9> dn5: ~/.bashrc is a file, not a directory
[21:51] <dn5> I don't have the bashrc file
[21:51] <wissam_> zykotick9: sorry for my stupid question but can we use  `echo $i | tr '_' ' '` instead of  "`echo $i | tr '_' ' '`" ? is the double quote necessary here ?
[21:51] <slimjimflim> ikonia: i tried all the different ones i could find and all the different blacklist recipes
[21:51] <Prock81> so im sure that error pretains to me messing with gps stuff
[21:51] <ikonia> slimjimflim: that's not what I said
[21:51] <ikonia> slimjimflim: I said work out which one of my statements is true
[21:51] <slimjimflim> i have no idea what the problem is
[21:51] <slimjimflim> or maybe it's conflicting drivers
[21:51] <zykotick9> wissam_: sorry, is this for filenames?  my command won't work for file contents, only names...
[21:51] <ikonia> slimjimflim: I said work out which one of my statements is true
[21:52] <wissam_> zykotick9: yes only names
[21:52] <zykotick9> wissam_: you could try it without... but i'm not sure.  you could ask #bash for correct confirmation.
[21:52] <dn5> zykotick9 where should I copy blank .bashrc to?
[21:53] <dn5> /etc/ ?
[21:53] <slimjimflim> ikonia: that's a false dichotomy
[21:53] <zykotick9> dn5: ~ which is your users home
[21:53] <slimjimflim> there's also the possibility that it's a conflict
[21:53] <llutz> wissam_: echo ${i/_/\ }
[21:53] <wissam_> zykotick9: ok thnx
[21:53] <ikonia> slimjimflim: no, it's not
[21:53] <ikonia> slimjimflim: read what I said a.) either the modules are not loading or b.) they are not compatible with your card - work out which one is true
[21:54] <dn5> Sorry it was my wrong about .bashrc thus terminal search really didn't give me anything as result
[21:54] <dn5> manual serach prove I was wrong
[21:56] <dn5> is "export PATH=$PATH:/home/tools" right line that I should add in bashrc?
[21:56] <slimjimflim> ikonia: or c) they are loading and compatible and they are conflicting
[21:56] <josh_> Hello, is this an ok place to ask for some ubuntu support? :P
[21:56] <slimjimflim> but yea you're not helping
[21:56] <ikonia> slimjimflim: no, but if you insist on that, go for it
[21:57] <columb> I have TB HDD with broken sectors. How do I fix them?
[21:57] <slimjimflim> i'm getting kicked out of the library.
[21:57] <slimjimflim> bye
[21:57] <Prock81> what about this? gpsd:ERROR: can't run with neither control socket nor devices
[21:57] <DarkAceZ> how do I change the limit of allowed file descriptors one program can use/access
[21:57] <reisio> josh_: yes indeed
[21:58] <k1l> !details | josh_
[21:58] <zykotick9> Prock81: do you have a high end GPS?  'cause neither of my 2 garmins actually give the required serial device for use with my computer :(
[21:58] <reisio> ...bot is truly a plague
[21:58] <compdoc> columb, are they reallocated sectors? did you read the SMART info?
[21:58] <llutz> Prock81: sounds like you called gpsd without specifying a device/socket to use
[21:58] <josh_> sure, I am trying to set up a dvr type PC.
[21:58] <Prock81> this is what i have: Dell Wireless™ 5630 Multi-mode HSPA-EVDO Mini Card (Gobi™ 3000) with A-GPS
[21:59] <josh_> I have the tv tuner card installed and have gotten as far as "scanning for muxes" reaching 0 on tvheadend setup if you are familiar with the process
[21:59] <taoseeker> hi
[21:59] <zykotick9> Prock81: when it's attached to you find it in the "dmesg" output, perhaps with the device specificed?
[21:59] <Prock81> so how do i know what to call gpsd with?
[21:59] <josh_> anyways, I was wondering if there were any guides a little more "all inclusive" for a one box setup
[21:59] <Prock81> one moment
[21:59] <josh_> and I can't seem to find one anywhere >.<
[22:00] <columb> compdoc, no idea about reallocation. Info about broken sectors provided by SMART.
[22:01] <wilee-nilee> josh_, 4min is not much a evidence of no help. ;)
[22:01] <compdoc> columb, you can use the disk utility to read the SMART, but if you have any reallocated sectors, you need to watch if the count is growing. I would replace the drive, since you cant fix them
[22:01] <josh_> 4min? I don't understand
[22:01] <wilee-nilee> josh_, You started posting 4 min ago.
[22:02] <wilee-nilee> 6 now
[22:02] <zykotick9> josh_: you might consider mythtv, mythbuntu...  it's still not "trivial" to get working
[22:02] <Prock81> omg i need help with my dmesg
[22:02] <josh_> well I've been struggling with this for 2 days?
[22:02] <reisio> josh_: all inclusive will tend toward mythtv tuts, probs
[22:02] <reisio> freenx, xbmc, etc.
[22:02] <josh_> thanks, mythtv was my most recent troubles
[22:03] <josh_> xbmc is frontend only though
[22:03] <josh_> I guess I probably only need help with backend issues
[22:03] <tgm4883> josh_, where do you live?
[22:03] <josh_> new york
[22:03] <josh_> buffalo side that is
[22:03] <tgm4883> josh_, what tuner?
[22:04] <josh_> hauppage 1800 (spell check on hauppage)
[22:04] <Prock81> lspci has this 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01)
[22:04] <tgm4883> josh_, is that a digital card or analog?
[22:05] <columb> compdoc, HDD is in NTFS and seems like disk utility doesn't support it.
[22:05] <Prock81> but i also have this on my specs Dell Wireless™ 5630 Multi-mode HSPA-EVDO Mini Card (Gobi™ 3000) with A-GPS
[22:05] <Prock81> http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/latit/en/latitude-e6420-specsheet.pdf
[22:05] <tgm4883> josh_, looks like it has both analog and digital
[22:05] <josh_> yes
[22:05] <tgm4883> josh_, do you plan on using both tuners?
[22:05] <josh_> I was going to answer that but thought I should double check quickly
[22:05] <josh_> no just digital
[22:05] <compdoc> columb, in the bios, you should look to see if you can enable SMART
[22:05] <tgm4883> josh_, ok, and what is your desired outcome? You are trying to make a PVR?
[22:06] <Prock81> and i have this: /dev/serial/by-id/usb-Foxconn_Dell_Wireless_5630__EVDO-HSPA__Mobile_Broadband_Mini-Card-if0
[22:06] <xperia> hi. i have a problem with my new SSD Hard Disk in Ubuntu. lsscsi show it with the Right name. I am able to create partitions and format them with ext4 but at the time
[22:06] <xperia> i try to moun it it fails. Plug Out and Plugin does also not mount it. dmesg says Sata Link Down. Do i need to install some module additional? Please Help!
[22:06] <josh_> yes
[22:06] <llutz> Prock81: does "lsusb" list your wireless 5630-blabla?
[22:07] <josh_> for live tv specifically
[22:07] <columb> compdoc, Disc Utility errors "File system is NOT clean".
[22:07] <Prock81> no it does not list that
[22:07] <tgm4883> josh_, well if you just want livetv, then mythtv probably isn't the route you want to go
[22:07] <tgm4883> josh_, if you want a full PVR, then mythtv should be able to do that just fine
[22:08] <josh_> could you help me answer what the difference is really? What additional features are in a full pvr
[22:09] <tgm4883> josh_, PVR would be if you wanted to record and schedule stuff. live tv is more like a dumb tv
[22:09] <kel39_> so i have a /27 with a few IPs to assign to my server, is it generally good practice to just create virtual interfaces for each IP?
[22:09] <Prock81> llutz, lsusb dont mention 5630 at all, would that be cause of a driver thing
[22:09] <josh_> well yeah then, a full pvr. I meant record etc live tv
[22:10] <josh_> I'm getting into the terminology a bit you'll have to excuse me. I know what I want and I know it can be done but with little linux experience (I think my pitfall) I keep running into different roadblocks
[22:11] <tgm4883> josh_, so for mythtv, in the US, you'll probably need to spend about $25/year for guide data
[22:11] <juanpablo> hi
[22:12] <tgm4883> josh_, you can do without guide data, but that kinda defeats the point of a PVR (basically making it a dumb vcr)
[22:12] <josh_> I see. do these services have trials by chance that you know of?
[22:13] <josh_> so I can at least get it started
[22:13] <tgm4883> josh_, probably, it's http://www.schedulesdirect.org/
[22:13] <tgm4883> josh_, that is where to get guide data for mythtv
[22:14] <tgm4883> josh_, looks like a 7 day free trial
[22:16] <tgm4883> josh_, I've been working on a mythtv guide for a little bit
[22:16] <puppert> hi, I am trying to set up oidentd on 13.4 but it always replies "ERROR:NO-USER"  It is on a server behind a NAT router with a port forward.  It is a default installation.
[22:17] <tgm4883> josh_, you can test it if you want, I'd appreciate feedback if you do  https://docs.google.com/document/d/19knOlqz8cV5_8VQ1tCvEd8tjEk6U50KsSOJCROR60o4/edit?usp=sharing
[22:17] <josh_> Then I'm glad you saw my plee for help!
[22:18] <tgm4883> josh_, I'll also point you that you should be able to comment directly into that doc
[22:18] <josh_> ok, will you be around a bit. I could give it a try and let you know as I go.
[22:18] <josh_> though if you're not here I wouldnt be any worse off haha
[22:19] <tgm4883> josh_, I'm at work right now and will head home in about an hour. I don't guarentee that I'll be around at anytime, but you'll have better luck finding me in #ubuntu-mythtv
[22:20] <josh_> OK. at the very least I promise I will post some comments as to my success and/or questions
[22:20] <Guest6997> whew, finally found it.
[22:20] <josh_> is it "done" as of now meaning will it get me to the end if I manage to follow it
[22:24] <Guest6997> Hi, I just got a ubuntu 10.10 disk from a friend and installed it, but it seems that everything in the software center is unavailable.   is there anything I can do or just upgrade again?
[22:24] <bekks> Guest6997: You have to upgrade to 12.04 at least.
[22:24] <Guest6997> dread
[22:25] <Guest6997> is there a way to do that without a bootdisk or thumb drive?
[22:26] <Giwrgaras> what to add to this 12.04 though?i hav one and wondering what ar the best things to dll from the software center
[22:27] <IdleOne> !eolupgrade | Guest6997
[22:28] <everydaylinuxuse> how old is your computer guest6997?
[22:28] <Giwrgaras> can i sync my goog calendar with th ubuntu calendar?
[22:28] <Guest6997> 4-5 y/o
[22:28] <tgm4883> josh_, yes it will
[22:29] <tgm4883> josh_, note that it is written for a specific tuner in mind, so you'll need to take that into account when you reach that section
[22:29] <everydaylinuxuse> can you give the make and model?
[22:32] <Guest6997> me? compaq CQ5504f
[22:33] <josh_> thanks a lot tgm4883. I wrote your info down in case I need to bug you again. As I said I'll post some comments. Cheers!
[22:34] <everydaylinuxuse> should be a decent enough spec to run Ubuntu 12.04 and above. Download the ISO from the Ubuntu website, burn it to a DISK/USB and give it a go in live mode
[22:34] <Guest6997> CD or dvd?
[22:34] <Guest6997> am nub, be gentle
[22:35] <schultza> Guest6997: Welcome to the FOSS world. We hope you stay awhile.
[22:35] <Guest6997> tyvm
[22:35] <everydaylinuxuse> DVD.
[22:36] <Guest6997> thanks, will do.
[22:37] <everydaylinuxuse> This link will probably help https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[22:37] <schultza> My ubuntu-13.04-desktop-amd64.iso is 823.1 MB. Is there a smaller one that will fit a CD or do we now need to jump up to DVD burning?
[22:37] <Guest6997> I got 700m cds, but no dvds.
[22:37] <tgm4883> schultza, DVD or USB
[22:37] <everydaylinuxuse> have you got a USB drive?
[22:38] <Guest6997> nope lol, I gotta go buy one.
[22:38] <zykotick9> !mini | schultza if you want to go much smaller there is this...
[22:39] <Guest6997> Sweet, and this will update or whatever to a current stable version?
[22:39] <schultza> zykotick9: I'd like to keep the live desktop option for repair instances.
[22:41] <separatedmale> hello
[22:41] <separatedmale> any ladies wanna chat?
[22:41] <everydaylinuxuse> Alternatively guest6997 rather than fork out for a USB drive you could just buy the dvd from the Ubuntu site. http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=976 Probably be cheaper, guaranteed to get the correct image
[22:41] <reisio> separatedmale: #defocus
[22:43] <Guest6997> with these hardware specs http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID=c02174551&lang=en&cc=us&contentType=SupportFAQ&prodSeriesId=4162245
[22:43] <everydaylinuxuse> the minimal download will work but if you are new to Ubuntu and Linux it will be a bigger learning curve than getting a proper live disk
[22:43] <Guest6997> which minimal image do you think is best for me?
[22:43] <[Ex0r]> hello, is Ubuntu server the version with no UI ?
[22:44] <nevyn> [Ex0r]: it has a ui. it's not graphical,... but it has a ui
[22:44] <[Ex0r]> nevyn- is there a version that just installs linux with no kde or gnome, that I can just ssh in to for management ?
[22:44] <martinrame> hi, I'm using 12.04 and found the command "test -n 'asdasd'" does not return anything, is this correct?.
[22:45] <nevyn> [Ex0r]: server
[22:45] <schultza> Guest6997: That computer is a x86_64 (or 64-bit) system.
[22:45] <[Ex0r]> nevyn- awesome, thank you. I am wanting to test out my PHP application I am developing on several different platforms so I am going to virtual machine a bunch of setups
[22:46] <Snova2> 13.04 (kubuntu) installer crashes with failure to install grub-efi. what can I do about this?
[22:47] <daftykins> Snova2: confirm all secure boot functionality is disabled
[22:47] <Snova2> daftykins: I couldn't even boot the live usb until I did. that's fine.
[22:48] <slide> How do I find out what device my eSata drives enumerated as?
[22:48] <daftykins> Snova2: are you trying to dual-boot with say, Win8 or nuking the disk and installing by itself?
[22:48] <Snova2> daftykins: dual-boot with oem win8 install.
[22:49] <nintet> hi. i guess i am going to break down and buy a new laptop
[22:49] <Snova2> the usual ssd, windows fast restart stuff that the wiki page on UEFI mentions are all disabled or not applicable as far as I can tell
[22:49] <nintet> this box is a POS and was almost DOA
[22:49] <nintet> i am thinking about an Acer Aspire One with the 1.1Ghz intel
[22:50] <nintet> from my local walmart for 250$
[22:50] <daftykins> Snova2: is it failing at the first-step GRUB install then, then refusing to install?
[22:50] <nintet> anyone out there know if that will work good with 13.04?
[22:50] <daftykins> nintet: 1.1GHz intel what? sounds terrible
[22:50] <nintet> intel celeron
[22:51] <nintet> http://www.walmart.com/ip/Acer-Feather-11.6-Aspire-One-Laptop-PC-with-Intel-Celeron-847-Processor-and-Windows-8-Operating-System-Assorted-Colors/23324592#Product+Reviews
[22:51] <Snova2> daftykins: don't know. there's some files in /target/boot/grub/x86_64-efi that suggest it was at least partially there. exact message is "The 'grub-efi' package failed to install into /target/."
[22:51] <daftykins> Snova2: have you only tried once?
[22:52] <nintet> is there anything about win8 pre-loaded computers that i should know?
[22:52] <nintet> like... did M$ make it so that the thing blows up if you try to install linux?
[22:52] <Snova2> daftykins: I've tried a couple times, reformatting the partitions each go and always the same error.
[22:52] <daftykins> nintet: it won't be a very good experience
[22:52] <nintet> why not?
[22:52] <daftykins> poor graphics and dire processor
[22:52] <nintet> im not having a good experience now
[22:53] <nintet> ok...
[22:53] <daftykins> Snova2: did you take the approach of resizing the Windows volume to make space, then trying to install into the opened up space?
[22:53] <Hexagonite> Is UEFI Secure boot supported on Wubi with 12.04.2?
[22:53] <nintet> i just want to run draftsight.
[22:53] <Snova2> daftykins: yes, though I actually did that with gparted
[22:53] <johnjohn101> nintet: would be interesting to see how well ubuntu ran on that machine
[22:54] <nintet> honestly, i was using 12.04 LTS because it installed draftsight out of the box
[22:54] <nintet> the problem is that now the graphics took a huge crap on me and all i see is grey
[22:54] <nintet> in draftsight
[22:54] <nintet> not to mention that puppy, beos, and tynyXP has trashed my boot
[22:55] <daftykins> Snova2: hmm controversial. i wouldn't have trusted that myself
[22:55] <Snova2> daftykins: perhaps, but the ubiquity partitioner is a bit screwy and the kde ui somewhat buggy, and it seemed to work perfectly fine in the end
[22:56] <Prock81> i have a device that should be showing in lsusb and its not, what would be the problem
[22:57] <daftykins> Snova2: so you've since booted into 8 and it's all happy with the disk setup?
[22:57] <Snova2> daftykins: yeah, win8 still works fine
[22:57] <nintet> i dont have the cash to just throw at a laptop tho
[22:57] <daftykins> i'd have used disk management in win8 to resize, but ho-hum captain hindsight is of no use
[22:57] <nintet> is there a sub 300$ laptop that fits my needs?
[22:57] <zykotick9> Prock81: lack of driver most likely
[22:57] <johnjohn101> ninet, some one posted a comment that it runs debian and xfce
[22:57] <nintet> yeah i saw that
[22:58] <nintet> but that is debian not 13.04
[22:58] <nintet> they prolly do the whole IT for every car dealership in town or something
[22:58] <nintet> i just make noise and draw pictures
[22:58] <Snova2> daftykins: I suppose that would have been slightly safer, but it doesn't seem to have made much difference. except there seems to be a couple hundred KB of empty space between each ext4 partition for some reason...
[22:58] <Prock81> how can i get the driver for "Dell Wireless™ 5630 Multi-mode HSPA-EVDO Mini Card (Gobi™ 3000) with A-GPS"
[22:59] <nintet> i dont know how windows 8 can be released on a 1.1 intel celeron anyways...
[22:59] <nintet> that must be a beefy CPU
[22:59] <johnjohn101> ninet: office depot/staples/office max usually advertise a $300 or so lappy..  look at their ads
[22:59] <nintet> has a 2mb cache
[22:59] <daftykins> nintet: no it's pants :P
[22:59] <nintet> pants?
[22:59] <daftykins> rubbish
[22:59] <nintet> ah
[23:00] <johnjohn101> where in blazes do they use the word pants to describe rubbish
[23:00] <nintet> sweeden
[23:00] <nintet> ?
[23:00] <daftykins> i'm sort of in the UK
[23:00] <blazemore> I have *got* to turn hilights off for "blaze"
[23:00] <daftykins> but not
[23:00] <blazemore> johnjohn101: In the UK we do, anyway
[23:00] <everydaylinuxuse> It would be interesting to see if that could boot within the boot up limit that Microsoft has set
[23:00] <nintet> well, what i would like is a chromebook but i dont know if it will run draftsight
[23:00] <nintet> all i know is that for almost every cad app out there you need an intel cpu
[23:01] <daftykins> i have nfi what draftsight is
[23:01] <nintet> its the linux cad app
[23:01] <daftykins> well sadly all this laptop buying talk is beyond support of Ubuntu
[23:01] <daftykins> nintet: that cheap one might be bearable with a non-3D desktop, so perhaps with say xubuntu or lubuntu instead
[23:02] <daftykins> but it still looks pretty... pants to me
[23:02] <Zaitzev> Any way to get a little help on Zentyal in here? It being an Ubuntu derivative and all, someone here might be able to help :)
[23:03] <nintet> yeah, better get a box then
[23:03] <zykotick9> Prock81: does the wireless part work?  you might want to see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1966918 but it does NOT talk about GPS...
[23:03] <Snova2> goodness. I can leave a convenient giant 500gb empty space and the installer decides the best option is to blow away the whole disk. to say nothing of the crashes, ubiquity needs some serious work
[23:03] <daftykins> Zaitzev: no, official support only
[23:03] <Zaitzev> Sure
[23:04] <Prock81> zykotick9, wireless works, but gps is confusing
[23:04] <daftykins> Snova2: ^_^
[23:05] <Snova2> ... and gparted just silently crashed horribly. can't say I want my partitioning tool doing that
[23:05] <zykotick9> Prock81: ummm, well - good luck (you'll probably need it)
[23:05] <daftykins> Snova2: your system doesn't sound especially stable right now
[23:05] <Guest6997> are there no executables in ubuntu?
[23:05] <kuracina> is acnyone playing trou comabt gmae?
[23:05] <daftykins> Guest6997: of course, how else would programs run? what are you really after...?
[23:06] <Guest6997> trying to install brasero
[23:06] <Snova2> daftykins: "double free or corruption" doesn't sound like something that was my fault, nor those exceptions in the ubiquity code...
[23:06] <saiarcot895> Has anyone gotten unity/compiz freezeups?
[23:07] <saiarcot895> Happens occasionally for me
[23:07] <johnjohn101> Guest6997: install or use brasero?
[23:07] <daftykins> Snova2: it's not about asserting blame, though i would begin to try and blame something for the instability. either RAM issues, bad flash drive, bad CD/DVD etc?
[23:07] <saiarcot895> sometimes, switching to tty1 and back works, sometimes unity --replace, sometimes it half-works and I have to restart to restore fully
[23:07] <Snova2> daftykins: the machine is barely two weeks old!
[23:07] <kuracina> is anyone playing trou combat game?
[23:08] <Guest6997> install then use brasero 3.0.0
[23:08] <daftykins> Snova2: sure but the media you're installing from?
[23:08] <daftykins> Snova2: i've already seen plenty of people in here doing UEFI installs beside win8 and i've not seen anyone have these kind of app crashes
[23:08] <Snova2> daftykins: an interesting point, actually; the flash drive is old and a bit sticky from... something. I really doubt it though
[23:09] <johnjohn101> Guest6997: what version are you running?
[23:09] <daftykins> Snova2: could be worth 100% formatting it and recreating it?
[23:09] <Snova2> daftykins: well, the grub-efi thing comes up on google/launchpad bugs, but the ubiquity UI crash is fairly clearly just a programmer fudging things up. gparted is an oddity
[23:09] <Guest6997> ubuntu 10.10, trying to burn a mini.iso of 13.04
[23:09] <daftykins> Snova2: fair enough, what did the launchpad bugs say of the grub-efi bit? anything useful?
[23:10] <irreverant> IdleOne Isn't 10.04 LTS?
[23:10] <daftykins> irreverant: it was but it's not got long left now
[23:10] <Snova2> daftykins: unsolved bugs, a lack of workarounds, and the odd unhelpful "try blowing away your whole disk" :-)
[23:10] <zykotick9> irreverant: 10.04's desktop support is done... EOL at this point.
[23:10] <IdleOne> it was, Desktop version has reached EOL
[23:10] <kuracina> is anyone playing trou combat game?????????????????????
[23:10] <irreverant> How long does an LTS usually have support for?
[23:10] <daftykins> !lts
[23:11] <Victor> then thats what I should get right?
[23:11] <kuracina> is anyone playing trou combat game?????????????????????
[23:11] <daftykins> Snova2: tbh i bet the manufacturer has a huge recovery partition that's wasting space anyway, were it my system and i wasn't nuking 8, i'd have nuked the disk and clean installed 8 then ubuntu :)
[23:11] <saiarcot895> Victor: Do you have Startup Disk Creator installed?
[23:11] <daftykins> kuracina: do NOT repeat yourself in here
[23:11] <everydaylinuxuse> realistically nobody is going to stay on a 5 year old desktop are they? Just look at the difference between 10.10 and 13.04 and that is just 3 years
[23:12] <saiarcot895> also off-topic, I believe
[23:12] <kuracina> is anyone playing trou combat game?????????????????????
[23:12] <kuracina> is anyone playing trou combat game?????????????????????
[23:12] <kuracina> is anyone playing trou combat game?????????????????????
[23:12] <FloodBot1> kuracina: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:12] <daftykins> Victor: so where are you getting stuck? installing brasero?
[23:13] <Snova2> daftykins: at this point I'd love to do that, and there's way too many excess partitions on this thing as it is (what kind of system has seven partitions by default?!), but no nice simple win8 install disks...
[23:13] <Snova2> there's backups of everything, so the disk isn't valuable. but the OS is
[23:14] <daftykins> Snova2: easy to find win8 images for dl. and yeah EFI demands a minimum of 3 so there's some fun right there :(
[23:14] <Victor> yea
[23:15] <irreverant> What is a local backup solutin for ubuntu that's similar to Backup Exec or Windows Backup?
[23:15] <Snova2> daftykins: one efi, one windows boot, windows everything else I'm guessing? I can live with that, but this thing adds two recovery partitions, an unknown one, a lenovo thing with drivers... messy
[23:15] <Victor> No idea how to install stuff on ubuntu, I've extracted it, but the install help file makes no sense to me.
[23:15] <daftykins> Victor: locate it in the software centre and install? or "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install brasero" in a terminal?
[23:16] <daftykins> Snova2: that's manufacturers for you
[23:16] <imranh> Hey everyone. I'm trying to kill X-Server so I can install NVidia drivers. When I use the enabled control-alt-backspace it takes me to log in screen, NOT to terminal. When I use Ctrl-Alt-F1 and go Virtual Terminal, my "password" is incorrect even though I just tried even changing it. What now?
[23:16] <jrib> !backup | irreverant
[23:16] <daftykins> Victor: you don't download software from websites with ubuntu, this isn't windows
[23:16] <jrib> irreverant: I have no idea what the programs you named are, but check out ubottu's suggestions
[23:16] <Snova2> hm, there's hints on google that lenovo machines come with windows serial numbers embedded into the bios. that and a disk image might do nicely
[23:16] <daftykins> Victor: may i ask why you're trying to write a minimal ISO then? you'll need some experience to install that.
[23:17] <Victor> omfg, I've had it installed all along /facepalm
[23:17] <Snova2> still no guarantee it'll work, though; for all I know I'll just end up with a cleaner disk and a still-failing installer
[23:18] <Victor_the_nub> Thanks for the help, I'm gonna go make that mini boot now.
[23:18] <irreverant> jrib: Backup Exec is for Symantec local backup solution on the Windows Platform. So is Microsoft Backup - which comes iwth Windows Server.
[23:18] <imranh> Hey everyone. I'm trying to kill X-Server so I can install NVidia drivers. When I use the enabled control-alt-backspace it takes me to log in screen, NOT to terminal. When I use Ctrl-Alt-F1 and go Virtual Terminal, my "password" is incorrect even though I just tried even changing it. What now?
[23:19] <Frend> is Virtualbox the same as installing it on the computer?
[23:19] <irreverant> jrib TAR utility isn't the same as a tarball is it?
[23:19] <jrib> irreverant: tar creates tarballs
[23:19] <saiarcot895> imranh: To open Terminal, it's Ctrl+Alt+T
[23:19] <zykotick9> imranh: FYI installint nvidia.com's driver is possibly a bad idea anyways...
[23:19] <Frend> irreverant: cmon..i saw you at windows channel :]
[23:19] <holstein> Frend: the process is the same yes.. but the result is obviously vituralized
[23:20] <imranh> zykotick9: It's better than having no drivers at all and being stuck at 1024x768 because bumblebee is useless
[23:20] <imranh> saiarcot895: You can't close xserver from terminal... You need virtual terminal.
[23:20] <saiarcot895> imranh: as it is, I thought the drivers would be installed, then you have to restart.
[23:20] <imranh> saiarcot895: No.. They are not installed.. I am trying to install them...
[23:20] <Frend> Bumblebee only switches the app to use the nvidia
[23:21] <imranh> Yes, but how do I actually get drivers for it then?
[23:21] <imranh> Besides from NVidia?
[23:21] <kel39_> who has a direct link to ubuntu .iso
[23:21] <Frend> Nouveou something if you dont like the Nvidia one
[23:21] <daftykins> Snova2: you should have the windows 8 key on your COA sticker no?
[23:21] <wilee-nilee> kel39_, ubuntu.com and which release?
[23:21] <nevyn> imranh: bumblebee works with nouveau
[23:21] <k1l> !download | kel39
[23:21] <kel39_> i was hoping someone could save me doing that... i have wget open
[23:21] <kel39_> lol
[23:21] <irreverant> Frend: Yes I'm in the windows channel. I'm also realitively new to ubuntu
[23:22] <saiarcot895> imranh: I believe the Ubuntu repos have open-source Nvidia drivers
[23:22] <saiarcot895> imranh: I'll try to find some packages
[23:22] <Frend> irreverant: nice to see you :)
[23:22] <daftykins> *kernel has nvidia open source, it's called nouveau
[23:22] <nevyn> imranh: ubuntu includes a mechinism for installing the nvidia binary drivers (as well
[23:22] <zykotick9> saiarcot895: ubunto also has the propritary nvidia drivers in repo as well... just sayin'
[23:22] <nevyn> imranh: this will install and configure them correctly for ubuntu
[23:23] <imranh> I'm on 12.10 right now
[23:23] <cbryant> Is anyone familiar with a text based bdf client for ubuntu
[23:23] <saiarcot895> zykotick9: Interesting. I thought they only kept open-source on their repos
[23:23] <Snova2> daftykins: this thing is pretty stickerless, unless it's under the battery or something like that
[23:23] <daftykins> Snova2: can be, or on mains adapters
[23:23] <zykotick9> saiarcot895: no way - ubuntu has LOTS of non-free stuff...
[23:23] <Victor_the_nub> Gonna go try this mini-iso, wish me luck.
[23:23] <johnjohn101> good luck
[23:24] <irreverant> Is there a Partner Channel program for Ubuntu to be an Authorized Dealer? And where should I start looking?
[23:24] <saiarcot895> zykotick9: true, I should have thought of that. Otherwise, it wouldn't be able to play MP3, flash (although it's an installer), etc.
[23:24] <daftykins> irreverant: somewhere a lot more official than IRC, that's for sure
[23:25] <irreverant> daftykins: Yeah I figure but I'm not sure if it's Canonical or Ubuntu I need to contact
[23:25] <irreverant> daftykins: I answered my own question Canonical
[23:25] <wilee-nilee> irreverant, I think you are applying a stem to distribution that does not exist.
[23:25] <imranh> So I guess nouveau is installed by default. Any way to easily configure it or is it gonna take a bunch of conf editing?
[23:26] <wilee-nilee> system*
[23:26] <saiarcot895> imranh: the nvidia-current-updates package installs some nvidia drivers
[23:26] <irreverant> wilee-nilee: what do you mean?
[23:26] <holstein> imranh: by "configuring it", you mean nouveau? it'll typically just work, or you willl want the other driver
[23:27] <wilee-nilee> irreverant, This is open source basically you can distribute ubuntu for free as is.
[23:27] <imranh> It's not "just working" since I'm stuck at 1024x768. And like I said I can't install NVidia drivers either since I need to close Xserver for that and that's impossible
[23:28] <nevyn> irreverant: there is a partner program which will let you use logo's etc etc I think
[23:28] <holstein> imranh: you can install from tty
[23:28] <irreverant> I understand that.... But let's say we build boxes and and support them. Obviously since it's licensed - can I charge to support it, if so how much and how much can I seel the complete system for including the Ubuntu software.
[23:28] <holstein> !nvidia > imranh
[23:28] <irreverant> nevyn: that's what I'm talking about.
[23:28] <irreverant> I don't want to break any laws/rules regarding licensing.
[23:29] <Snova2> daftykins: well, thanks for the advice. I think I might go with the "restart from scratch" option, though it'll take a while. in the meantime I think I've spent too much time fussing with this today already :-)
[23:29] <imranh> holstein: Thanks, that was useless, the problem isn't the configuration, it's the complete lack of drivers.
[23:29] <wilee-nilee> irreverant, I'm not sure Canonical is making a profit as of now in spite of all their programs, if that is your goal it is a pipe dream.
[23:29] <zykotick9> holstein: fyi a "tty" is ANY terminal, i think what you really mean is "virtual console" which the OP can't log into...
[23:30] <holstein> imranh: that link explains the package to install, that can be installed from tty.. the proprietary driver
[23:30] <holstein> 19:26 < saiarcot895> imranh: the nvidia-current-updates package installs some nvidia drivers
[23:30] <nevyn> irreverant:  http://www.canonical.com/partners/oem
[23:30] <holstein> zykotick9: direct any helpful info to imranh
[23:30] <Frend> what about the fuzz about the amazon such in ubuntu?
[23:30] <irreverant> wilee-nilee: I'll have to research it.
[23:30] <irreverant> nevyn: thanks
[23:31] <irreverant> I'm out.
[23:31] <zykotick9> holstein: the "helpful" part was directed at you.
[23:31] <inashdeen> hi there, need some advice on buying a laptop for ubuntu. I plan to get a 14" inch screen. preferably i5, less liked if AMD quad core. love it thin and light, but not ultrabook (dont really want an ssd though). need something that support vga . DVD writer not important Was looking at vostro 5460, (ubuntu preinstalled), but that dont have vga. Asus vivobook on the other is not ubuntu friendly. any advice?
[23:32] <holstein> zykotick9: i read "i cant install since I need to close Xserver for that" , and i was thinking you could use tty from there
[23:32] <nevyn> inashdeen: lenovo T4xx whatever the current model is?
[23:33] <OerHeks> !hcl
[23:33] <zykotick9> holstein: you're using TTY incorrectly, as many people do - that's what i'm trying to share with you.  a TTY is an xterm/aterm/etc. as well.  what you mean is called "virtual console" the F1-F6 (by default)
[23:34] <imranh> I can't log IN to the virtual console. It keeps telling me "incorrect login" when I've tried every possible combination, tried changing my password, and even tried use the numkeys above qwerty instead of the numpad. I CANT log in to VC
[23:35] <imranh> I used the command to check what my username for Ubuntu is and it says "imran"
[23:35] <holstein> zykotick9: if i, which i dont, had an issue iwth my xserver, i would maybe try a TTY to get to a console.. i dont think that is a bad idea
[23:35] <imranh> So I used "imran" as the login and used my password which didn't work, even tried chaning password with passwd command and using the new password and still nothing. The VC just won't let me log in
[23:36] <zykotick9> holstein: what is unclear here?  a TTY is NOT the F1-F6, it's ANY terminal - including xorg based terminals...
[23:36] <inashdeen> nevyn : is lenovo good? just curious. never used one before. is it ubuntu friendly?
[23:36] <wilee-nilee> imranh, take a look here, you may need to use the shift key at powering on to see the grub menu. http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword
[23:37] <wilee-nilee> imranh, Can we assume you did not try and set a root password?
[23:37] <imranh> Using which command, wilee-nilee ?
[23:37] <nevyn> wilee-nilee: he's trying to login onthe vc as himself...
[23:37] <imranh> wilee-nilee:  Would this not be the same password used for sudo?
[23:38] <wilee-nilee> imranh, You would have intended to do so.
[23:38] <nevyn> imranh: you are logging in on the console as imranh ? right?
[23:38] <imranh> the username is "imran" so that's what I'm using.
[23:38] <imranh> And the terminal command to list users lists it as "imran"
[23:38] <nevyn> ok
[23:38] <holstein> !tty | zykotick9
[23:39] <nevyn> if you type  id at a terminal in unity. it says the account is imran ?
[23:39] <zykotick9> holstein: LOL - ubuntu obviously doesn't know what a TTY is either ;)
[23:39] <holstein> zykotick9: thats why i refer to them as tty's.. so that users can use the bot to get to the help.. if its unclear, i appologize
[23:39] <imranh> nevyn:  "imran"
[23:39] <holstein> zykotick9: i dont mean to be combative at all
[23:40] <nevyn> so if you type sudo ls and the password that works?
[23:40] <skynet11> When I type "sudo apt-get kubuntu-desktop" in Terminal am I getting 12.04 or 13.04?
[23:40] <imranh> nevyn: Yes. It works fine.
[23:40] <wilee-nilee> imranh, Just for clarification ubuntu has no root password you have a user password to be a superuser.
[23:40] <imranh> wilee-nilee:  Yeah... The same password used for Sudo... which is what I'm using...
[23:41] <zykotick9> holstein: i'm certainly dropping this - BUT, those F1-F6 are called "linux virtual terminals", NOT TTYs.  as ANY terminal, including Xorg-based ones are still TTYs.
[23:41] <wilee-nilee> imranh, Cool, carry on I did want to muddle your help any,ore than I have already. ;)
[23:41] <wilee-nilee> more*
[23:41] <imranh> wilee-nilee:  No worries I appreciate the input
[23:41] <Xpl01t> hi guys! :D
[23:42] <nevyn> imranh: so if you press ctrl-alt-F1 and type imran at the login: prompt and that password it doesn't work?
[23:42] <imranh> nevyn: Exactly.
[23:42] <holstein> zykotick9: i'll keep that in mind.. and totally trust your expertise.. maybe we can get the bot updated, if necessary
[23:42] <zykotick9> holstein: the bot SHOULD be updated...
[23:42] <skynet11> Oh no! an Xpl01t just entered! Time to fire up the antivirus...
[23:42] <imranh> nevyn: I even tried changing the password, using the keys above qwerty rather than numpad....
[23:42] <skynet11> jk
[23:43] <nevyn> imranh: numlock is per-vc so you can't rely on it being on when you change to a Virtual Console
[23:43] <imranh> nevyn: That's why I used keys above the keyboard, too.
[23:43] <nevyn> zykotick9: I think the bot should be updated too..
[23:44] <kel39_> so i have a semi dedicated server (xen) - how can i isolate customers on this?
[23:44] <zykotick9> holstein: nevyn see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tty_%28Unix%29 for confirmation ;)
[23:44] <kel39_> i dont think KVM is a solution....
[23:44] <kel39_> they would just need FTP access/apache2
[23:44] <imranh> nevyn: Also I can "check" if numlock is on by typing numbers in the login prompt, so I can say that's off.
[23:44] <nevyn> imranh: this is correct.. so toggle it.
[23:45] <nevyn> in the vc.
[23:45] <holstein> zykotick9: as i said, i trust you, and need no "proof".. i only want to be able to refer to *something* to get to a console for support purposes..
[23:45] <imranh> nevyn: ..I tried. About 20 times now..
[23:45] <Frend> nevyn: isnt the Terminal  "virtual console"?
[23:45] <nevyn> Frend: everything is a terminal (xterm, konsole, gnome-terminal
[23:46] <nevyn> Frend: the Virtual Console's are the terminals provided by the kernel using the keyboard and video adapter of the local system
[23:46] <zykotick9> Frend: only the F1-F? are "linux virtual consoles", you can use "echo $TERM" and it will return "linux" if you are in a true "virtual console"
[23:46] <kel39_> LXC looks like the solution
[23:48] <imranh> Well, I'm going to try to drop in to root from Ubuntu recovery and install from there. Unless there is something else I can do.
[23:49] <kel39_> is it possible to run LXC ontop of a xen hypervisor instance? (semi dedi)
[23:55] <dreadiscool> asdf
[23:56] <dreadiscool> Hi guys
[23:56] <thansen> what's the proper way to disable a nic altogether in /etc/network/interfaces
[23:56] <dreadiscool> I installed Ubuntu 13.04, and it's support for my computer is pretty bad, and I wanted to downgrade to Ubuntu 12. How's the best way to go about doing this?
[23:56] <dreadiscool> At the moment, I have Ubuntu 13 set up in a partition, but I want to wipe that partition off my hard drive and replace it with Ubuntu 12
[23:57] <zykotick9> thansen: the "proper" way, would be to blacklist the driver, not use /etc/networks/interfaces
[23:57] <kel39_> download 12 .iso
[23:57] <dreadiscool> I have the 12 iso already
[23:57] <kel39_> put it on a usb
[23:57] <PashaPasta> dreadiscool: http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.10/
[23:57] <dreadiscool> I am using the startup disk creator
[23:57] <kel39_> cool
[23:57] <kel39_> when its done, boot from USB
[23:57] <thansen> zykotick9: I have multiple nics with the same driver...seems overkill
[23:57] <kel39_> enjoy
[23:57] <PashaPasta> dreadiscool: just use unetbootin
[23:57] <Frend> i think its page on ubuntu that shows the supported hardware
[23:58] <zykotick9> thansen: that's certainly more complicated then.  good luck!
[23:58] <Frend> just get a copy of Ubuntu 12?
[23:59] <thansen> if I just erase the config for that nic altogether will it be ignored?  I'm remotely ssh'd and don't want to screw it over
[23:59] <Frend> you dont want to wipe your important files?
[23:59] <dreadiscool> What is unetbootin?
[23:59] <PashaPasta> dreadiscool: writes an image to USB
[23:59] <dreadiscool> How do I get rid of the u13 partition?