[02:55] <Unit193> Just a note that we'll want to change plymouth to say 13.10.
[08:24] <ochosi> Unit193: you're referring to the text-theme, right?
[08:24] <ochosi> Unit193: if so, i can fix it, just file a bug and I'll assign it to me so that i don't forget
[08:24] <ochosi> sooo... mir.
[09:07] <knome> yes, mir.
[09:07] <knome> kubuntu will use X
[09:23] <pjotr> Hello, I have a question about Mir
[09:23] <pjotr> Will Xubuntu migrate to Mir like Ubuntu, or will Xubuntu stay with X.org and later on move to Wayland, like Kubuntu?
[09:24] <knome> not discussed yet.
[09:27] <pjotr> OK.... The arguments used by Jonathan Riddell, for taking another course with Kubuntu, might be valid for Xubuntu as well:
[09:27] <pjotr> http://blogs.kde.org/2013/06/26/kubuntu-wont-be-switching-mir-or-xmir
[09:27] <knome> i've read the article
[09:31] <pjotr> When will it be discussed by the Xubuntu devs?
[09:33] <knome> on the next community meeting, yet unscheduled
[09:34] <pjotr> OK, thanks.... Hopefully I'll be able to attend. :-)
[09:35] <knome> we've had meetings on thurdays around 15UTC
[09:36] <knome> (not every thu, but 1-2 times per month)
[09:40] <pjotr> OK, I have to go now...
[09:40] <lderan> good bye
[09:40] <pjotr> bye
[09:41] <knome> i'm off as well ->
[09:41] <lderan> cheerio :P
[09:50] <Unit193> Adios.
[13:46] <jxzero> @GridCube have you set a time for an informal meeting for the dA admin? with the rest of the volunteers?
[13:46] <meetingology> jxzero: Error: "GridCube" is not a valid command.
[13:46] <GridCube> jxzero: :) dont use @ P:
[13:47] <GridCube> jxzero: not really, im available at any moment if you need me to help you
[13:47] <jxzero_> yeah, I realize that now
[13:47] <GridCube> as said, its an informal meeting, im still waiting for knome to tell me if i need to create a new group
[13:48] <GridCube> but we can start studying the one already working and in any case move to the other one once the name desicion has been made
[13:48] <jxzero_> yeah, the name
[13:48] <jxzero_> it hasn't been settled
[13:49] <jxzero_> it'll still be the same set of stuff to take care of, anyway, right?
[13:52] <GridCube> yes
[13:52] <GridCube> it would just change the name
[13:52] <jxzero> what time do people usually come online here?
[13:52] <GridCube> i mean, unless someone pays for a premium account, then we could add other stuffs
[13:52] <GridCube> randomly
[13:53] <GridCube> i cant pay for a premium group account, i do not have a credit card
[13:53] <jxzero> I think we could do with a basic account
[13:53] <jxzero> neither do I
[13:53] <GridCube> yes ofcourse
[13:54] <jxzero> anyway, the whole point of the gallery is to show them xubuntu
[13:55] <jxzero> fancy things can come later
[13:56] <GridCube> sorry 'bout that
[13:57] <GridCube> what its the dA account you are using?
[13:58] <jxzero> my M-Jae account
[13:58] <jxzero> I think I've sent a request already
[13:59] <GridCube> yes, i recieved a few :P i didnt knew wich one was yours
[13:59] <GridCube> want me to admin you and teach you the basics?
[14:00] <jxzero> oh, yeah, I guess I missed mentioning that over at the threads
[14:00] <jxzero> sure, thanks
[14:02] <GridCube> ok i just sent you an invitation to the group as contributor
[14:03] <GridCube> it should be showin in your messagin area
[14:05] <jxzero> got it
[14:05] <jxzero> clicked yes
[14:06] <GridCube> :) great now you should have access to the Admin area on the group page
[14:06] <jxzero> is there a group twitter registered to that box?
[14:06] <jxzero> it's been loading for long enough, but it could just be my connection, of course
[14:07] <GridCube> it fetchs @xubuntu tweets
[14:09] <jxzero> right, so it's just me
[14:09] <GridCube> ok im gonna upload a screenshot and suggest it to the group
[14:15] <GridCube> mmm probably as im the owner it wont ask for permission to submit
[14:15] <jxzero> probably
[14:16] <GridCube> hehehe yes, i forgot to change that setting
[14:16] <jxzero> if it doesn't, I guess we need to set up a dummy account
[14:16] <GridCube> no, i already changed the way it works XD
[14:18] <GridCube> we still might have to have a dummy account for other sources of images
[14:20] <GridCube> ok now
[14:20] <GridCube> :) you should have a correspondance message
[14:21] <jxzero> got it
[14:21] <GridCube> P: i setted it to need just 1 vote to aprove
[14:21] <GridCube> vote and it should go to the Featured gallery
[14:21] <GridCube> it can only go there because we havent set any other gallery yet
[14:22] <jxzero> or not I got a different notif
[14:22] <GridCube> mmm
[14:24] <jxzero> yeah, not one
[14:24] <jxzero> maybe it's not done uploading?
[14:25] <GridCube> yes its uploaded
[14:26] <GridCube> mmm ok i think i've fixed it
[14:28] <GridCube> ok now, :)
[14:28] <jxzero> checking
[14:29] <jxzero> where should it appear again?
[14:30] <GridCube> in the top its a Correspondance message, in the messagin area it appears under the group section
[14:30] <jxzero> now it's there
[14:31] <GridCube> :)
[14:31] <jxzero> I was looking at "correspondence messages"
[14:31] <jxzero> it's under group
[14:31] <GridCube> P: on the top it says that, sorry
[14:32] <GridCube> accept it :D
[14:33] <jxzero> done
[14:34] <GridCube> now :) if you go to the group page, you can go to the "gallery" tab, if you hover the image you will see a pencil icon pop out
[14:35] <GridCube> clicking that icon will allow you to manage where the image is or of it should be deleted
[14:37] <jxzero> nope,  I only get "more like this"
[14:39] <GridCube> ok :D it more things i have to change the settings to, P: 
[14:40] <jxzero> lol
[14:40] <jxzero> this is why we test things :p
[14:40] <GridCube> i though i saved, but i didnt saved the options the first time
[14:40] <GridCube> now you should have access
[14:40]  * GridCube crossfingers
[14:42] <jxzero> I got a pencil thing
[14:42] <jxzero> But not on the image
[14:42] <jxzero> It's in the gallery button
[14:42] <jxzero> It links to "change name" and "uninstall"
[14:43] <GridCube> mmm hover the image, it should appear
[14:43] <GridCube> yes, dont worry about that
[14:45] <jxzero> it doesn't work for non "super" groups
[14:46] <jxzero> let me try that hover thing again
[14:48] <pleia2> welcome jxzero :)
[14:48] <jxzero> thanks pleia2
[14:49] <jxzero> I still get "drag and collect" and "more like this"
[14:49] <GridCube> http://imagebin.org/262739
[14:50] <jxzero> yeah, I'm not getting that... I've tried to refresh lots of times already.
[14:51] <GridCube> :/ i dont understand, you do have permission
[14:51] <GridCube> let me move it to the test folder
[14:51] <GridCube> ok now?
[14:53] <GridCube> if not i can change your role to co-owner instead of contributor
[14:53] <GridCube> and see if that works
[14:53] <jxzero> yeah, it totally says "have full control" in the settings area
[14:54] <jxzero> still not getting that pencil in the artwork part, though
[14:55] <GridCube> ok
[14:55] <GridCube> ill change you to co-founder then
[14:56] <GridCube> :/ now?
[14:57] <jxzero> got iy
[14:57] <jxzero> *it
[15:01] <jxzero> what's next
[15:01] <jxzero> ?
[15:03] <GridCube> well then its setting up galleries for different things and accepting/rejecting submissions :P
[15:04] <GridCube> aint that difficult of a job really
[15:05] <jxzero> as long as we volunteers have time, that is
[15:08] <GridCube> to aprove an image we should check that it complies with the group policy,
[15:08] <GridCube> jxzero: :) yeah but if just needs one vote then its easy, though we probably might want to need 2 votes to aprove
[15:09] <jxzero> do we have time for three votes, instead?
[15:10] <GridCube> sure that can be done
[15:10] <GridCube> we are 4
[15:10] <GridCube> at the admins
[15:14] <GridCube> ok done, i've set that any user can suggest images to the non featured galery, and group members can suggest to the test folder and the featured folder, all need 3 votes
[15:23] <jxzero> what about the group membership? Do we approve people first or is it open?
[15:25] <GridCube> i set it to autoaccept its a promotional thing really, they cant really do much except promote us on their pages :D
[15:26] <GridCube> they cant suggest anything but their own submissions, not even favs 
[15:26] <jxzero> well, that makes sense
[15:27] <jxzero> so, has anyone gone about some sort of plan about how this can take off beyond the dev list?
[15:30] <GridCube> i think that when we are ready we can make an announcement in the xubuntu website, some tweet, g+, fb messages.
[15:31] <GridCube> mailing list, the whole thing
[15:31] <pleia2> yep, that's the plan
[15:32] <pleia2> that should give us a nice initial influx of submissions, and you folks just let me know when you're running low and I'll social media it up again and again :)
[15:33] <pleia2> (and I encourage individuals to share it too)
[15:33] <GridCube> P: exactly, and webupd8 usually picks up this kind of announcements too
[16:26] <pleia2> it occurs to me that we should announce the desktop of the week each week on the social media, so that'll link them to the page where we'll have info about how to submit your own
[16:30] <GridCube> sure that would be nice
[16:32] <skellat> ochosi knome: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1195633
[19:42] <Noskcaj> We still have the "Xubuntu Raring Parole 0.5.0" on the iso tracker in the daily's do we want to remove it or rename it?
[19:52] <skellat> Noskcaj: What's the version in Saucy?
[19:52] <Noskcaj> i don't know
[19:53] <Noskcaj> 0.5.1-1
[19:54] <skellat> https://launchpad.net/parole/+packages
[19:54] <skellat> I'd say update it then
[19:57] <Noskcaj> I suggest we turn it into a parole package test rather than leaving it on the iso tracker
[20:07] <knome> as long as the testing team is aware of the package tracker
[20:07] <Noskcaj> yeah, i'm working on the manual test now
[20:08] <knome> it was a well thought decision to put it in the ISO tracker as we hadn't used the package tracker too much before
[20:08] <knome> (and since there really wasn't other package tests for xubuntu)
[20:09] <elfy> package tests for xubuntu is something I really want us to deal with
[20:09] <knome> me too
[20:09] <knome> we didn't get too much a1 testing :(
[20:09] <Noskcaj> we only have one or two up on the package tracker, the cross-flavour ones
[20:10] <elfy> knome: no - we didn't
[20:10] <knome> we should start to organize a2 testing earlier
[20:10] <Noskcaj> knome, we weren't on the a1 tracker
[20:10] <elfy> I didn't even get to it - this issues with dates different on 2 schedules is not very useful
[20:10] <knome> heh yes
[20:11] <knome> is there still two different schedules around?
[20:11] <elfy> yep
[20:11] <knome> can you point me or somebody else to them?
[20:11] <elfy> there's a release one and the cadence one 
[20:11] <knome> ah
[20:11] <knome> but they are to be kept separately, right?
[20:12] <elfy> believe so - the cadence one is balloons baby
[20:12] <knome> ;)
[20:12] <knome> i think just mostly disregard cadence until we have more active testers..
[20:12] <elfy> yep 
[20:13] <elfy> I didn't even see xubuntu on the alpha tracker
[20:13] <elfy> but I was netless for a day 
[20:13] <knome> mhm
[20:13] <Noskcaj> it wasn't on the a1 tracker at all
[20:14] <elfy> as far as package tests go we need to puish to get manual tests written - even if they are just basic
[20:15] <Noskcaj> bug 1195676 has broken every desktop install
[20:15] <knome> Noskcaj, xubuntu, or all flavors?
[20:15] <Noskcaj> all
[20:15] <knome> elfy, are those the ones with bug per missingtest?
[20:16] <elfy> knome: yea - 28 
[20:16] <elfy> 27 
[20:16] <knome> elfy, are all of those xubuntu-related?
[20:16] <elfy> the gnumeric advanced one isn't important imho
[20:16] <elfy> yep
[20:16] <elfy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bugs?field.tag=xubuntu
[20:17] <knome> elfy, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-s-qa/+linkbug
[20:17] <knome> once we show up in status.ubuntu.com, linked bugs should be counted towards our todo list
[20:17] <knome> s/should be/are/
[20:18] <elfy> ok - I'll add them to blueprint 
[20:18] <knome> ta!
[20:18] <knome> also, is there bugs for missing autopilot tests?
[20:18] <knome> those could go in as well..
[20:18] <elfy> yep
[20:19] <elfy> I'll work through them all now
[20:19] <knome> great, thannks!
[20:19] <knome> -n
[20:21] <elfy> Noskcaj: did you not do the mines testcase?
[20:21] <Noskcaj> elfy, i did, and i think it's merged
[20:22] <knome> mines? i hope that's below-low priority :P
[20:22] <elfy> notes?
[20:22] <elfy> yea 
[20:22] <elfy> knome: ^^
[20:22] <Noskcaj> both are merged
[20:23] <knome> Noskcaj, could you keep the bug statuses up-to-date?
[20:23] <elfy> helps to mark them as fix releases then :p
[20:23] <Noskcaj> i thought i had, oops
[20:23] <knome> well it's released when it shows up in the tracker
[20:23] <knome> committed when it's MP/merged
[20:24] <elfy> k
[20:24] <knome> well committed when it's merged tbe
[20:24] <knome> in progress when you're working on it/when it's MP
[20:29] <elfy> but it's released once it's in the testcase branch? 
[20:29] <knome> no, it's released when it's on the tracker
[20:29] <knome> released is like "all done, don't look at this bug any more"
[20:29] <elfy> ok 
[20:30] <knome> at least that's how i see it
[20:30] <elfy> so then if we don't ever end up putting them on the tracker they're never fix released?
[20:30] <knome> then they are obsolete or wontfix
[20:30] <knome> or then they are still pending and waiting to be added to the tracker
[20:31] <elfy> I hate launchpad and it's arcane wording
[20:31] <knome> release/obsolete/wontfix mark the bug as closed
[20:31] <knome> and opinion kind of as well
[20:31] <knome> and invalid.
[20:32] <knome> others mean the bug is open
[20:32] <knome> and open should mean somebody needs to do something for the bug, closed that no work needs to be done
[20:32] <knome> maybe that clears it a bit
[20:33] <elfy> ok - added all the bugs to the blueprint now 
[20:33] <knome> the bugs statuses make most sense if you think of a generic bug in software
[20:36] <elfy> I guess so - as far as I could see - if the bug was a testcase was needed - then it's all done once there is a testcase merged into branch
[20:36] <knome> no, because merged to a branch doesn't mean it's "available"
[20:36] <knome> that's pretty close to fix committed really
[20:37] <knome> with a normal bug, when it's fix committed, it's in the branch
[20:37] <knome> but won't be available for the end-user before the next ubuntu release
[20:38] <elfy> except these aren't those sort of bugs :)
[20:38] <knome> in testcases' case, "release" is a bit misleading, but i'd still only consider it released when it's available in the tracker
[20:38] <knome> for the open/closed status difference
[20:38] <elfy> :)
[20:41] <knome> does that make sense?
[20:41] <elfy> sort of :)
[20:41] <elfy> not sure it matters - as long as we're all looking at it the same way and doing the same thing :)
[20:42] <knome> yup
[20:42] <knome> the most important thing is to track "in progress" and "fix *"
[20:42] <knome> (and assignee)
[20:42] <elfy> yea
[20:43] <elfy> ok - so the blueprint is done I think 
[20:44] <elfy> got manual and autopilot ones on it 
[20:44] <knome> that's a huge list.
[20:46] <elfy> I know 
[20:46] <elfy> you said do it ... 
[20:47] <elfy> I've bumped the mail as well 
[20:47] <Noskcaj> where are some videos built into xubuntu? i need them for the parole tstcase
[20:47] <elfy> knome: some of them will take 30 minutes to actually write 
[20:47] <knome> elfy, i know, they are pretty straightforward
[20:47] <knome> Noskcaj, i don't think we ship any
[20:48] <elfy> but as it's 2 or 3 of us doing them it is rather scary ;)
[20:48] <knome> much like the docs rewrite
[20:48] <knome> but seriously, i think you could get much help from the community if you wrote a mail to the devel list
[20:49] <knome> draft one, get me in the loop and let's improve that together (and take pleia2 with us) and let's do a good call for contributors
[20:50] <elfy> ok
[20:51] <knome> i'm pretty sure jack (jjfrv8), the docs guy, would be willing to help with that as well
[20:51] <knome> he's not too much on irc though, so you usually need an email to catch him
[20:52] <Noskcaj> speaking of docs, i need to finish translating the xubuntu ones
[21:08] <elfy> knome: sent you a draft
[21:09] <knome> thanks, will look at it in some time
[21:10] <elfy> ta - I'm off shortly - will be about on and off all weekend
[21:10] <knome> oki
[21:10] <knome> have fun off the pc :)
[21:10] <elfy> :)
[21:10] <elfy> hoping to catch up with middle kid 
[21:10] <knome> nice
[21:11] <elfy> yep