[00:52] <phillw> yes, I know I'll get told off :) But, please hear me out.... I understand that there is not an 'ARM' team as such, for people interested in ARM - where should they head? (It's a genuine question as to how QEMU can work to give people a taste of ARM before spending 'real' money on the kit).
[07:38] <daniel3> Anyone successfully gotten the Kubuntu-Live preinstall images for Nexus 7 to work?
[11:35] <doomlord> does ubuntu run on Ouya :)
[11:35] <ogra_> not yet ... there might be an ubuntu touch build some day
[11:47] <doomlord> do you know if there are any linux distros installable on it ;
[11:47] <doomlord> i realise there's similar hardware in the mk908, maybe thats more likely
[11:48] <ogra_> well, ubuntu userspace should just work
[11:49] <ogra_> you will have to replace the initrd in the boot.img with an ubuntu one and probably rebuild the kernel without android options enabled
[11:49] <ogra_> then ubuntu should just run
[11:49] <doomlord> was just thinking of an ouya impulse purchase.. not sure if it would just be junk.
[11:49] <ogra_> or you just wait until someone does an ubuntu touch port :)
[11:50] <doomlord> i'm sure someone will put a linux on it
[11:50] <doomlord> a GNU linux
[11:50] <doomlord> whatever the distinction is.. desktop environment etc (how do i word this)
[11:50] <ogra_> aer there others ?
[11:50]  * ogra_ has never head of non GNU Linux :P
[11:50] <doomlord> android
[11:51] <doomlord> android is linux.. just not ....
[11:51] <ogra_> the linux android uses is still compiled using gcc
[11:51] <doomlord> Whats the key difference between Android-(linux) and Ubuntu-(linux) ...
[11:51] <tassadar_> ...not good enough..? :P
[11:51] <ogra_> so even that is GNU Linux ;)
[11:52] <doomlord> i mean they're both 'linux', but there's a lot ubuntu does that android doesn't
[11:52] <doomlord> gnu userland ? what is the precise description of what android doesn't have that a linux desktop os does
[11:52] <ogra_> doomlord, android uses a java based userspace all over the place
[11:52] <ogra_> ubuntu uses a native ine
[11:52] <ogra_> *one
[11:54] <ogra_> android also applies a big set of patches to the kernel
[12:14] <fly-away> and jvm-based android works much faster
[12:14] <fly-away> native so native
[12:55] <ogra_> fly-away, hmm ? did you test ubuntu touch on a nexus4 yet ?
[12:56] <fly-away> havent nexus4
[12:56] <fly-away> its about ac100)
[12:56] <ogra_> well, how can you claim that android under java is faster if you havent compared ?
[12:57]  * ogra_ guesses ubuntu touch is definitely faster than android on the ac100 too
[13:16] <fly-away> talking about ac100 and ubuntu 12.04 vs android
[13:16] <fly-away> afaik there is no ubuntu touch for ac100
[13:17] <fly-away> anyway is ubuntu touch usable without touchscreen?
[13:31] <ogra_> there was an early port of ubuntu touch to ac100 but yeah, before unity8 is ready for desktops and gets a cursor it wont be any fun
[13:32] <ogra_> but you can assume that it will always be faster ... it uses the android HAL and its binary blobs but no java ... after all you get the best of both worlds
[13:40] <fly-away> afaik main ubuntu 12.04 problem is very high memory monsumption
[13:40] <fly-away> consumption*
[13:40] <fly-away> so 3-4 tabs in browser put system to swap
[13:41] <fly-away> and thats all
[13:41] <fly-away> in android I could open 10 tabs and its ok
[13:41] <ogra_> yeah, thats better in 13.04
[13:41] <ogra_> it saw a lot of ram consumption improvements (especislly on arm as preparation for ubuntu touch)
[13:42] <fly-away> yeah, only one is worser with 13.04 - no firefox, only chromium
[13:42] <ogra_> ??
[13:42] <fly-away> that eats even more))
[13:42] <ogra_> i'm using firefox here
[13:42] <ogra_> oh
[13:42] <fly-away> oh)
[13:42] <ogra_> i thought it would be not available :)
[13:42] <ogra_> *i thought you mean
[13:43] <fly-away> so is armhf firefox packages available in 13.04?
[13:44] <ogra_> sure
[13:44] <fly-away> nice
[13:44] <ogra_> as is chromium
[13:44] <fly-away> and what  ram consumption improvements  did you mean?
[13:44] <ogra_> or idori ... epiphany ... name your preferred browser :)
[13:45] <ogra_> the whole cycle the whole team was foused on im[proving the app footprint of ubuntu desktop on arm devices
[13:45] <fly-away> so is this work already done?
[13:46] <ogra_> (thats why we had the nexus7 desktop images during that cycle ... ram consumption on these went from ~650M at the beginning down to about 350M by release day with the same apps
[13:46] <ogra_> )
[13:47] <fly-away> hm
[13:48] <fly-away> nexus7 uses typical armhf packages?
[13:48] <ogra_> nexus7 did use ubuntu-desktop
[13:48] <ogra_> completely identical to a PC install on x86
[13:52] <fly-away> so
[13:52] <fly-away> what exactly did crew do?
[13:52] <fly-away> patches for apps or what?
[13:55] <ogra_> right, inspecting all apps, finding the memory hogs and fixing them ... alls all long running python processes were ripped out and services that can run on demand only get started when needed
[13:55] <ogra_> s/alls/also/
[13:56] <ogra_> with the change to uniy8 and Mir the memory frootprint is currently around 150M
[13:56] <fly-away> thats nice))
[13:56] <ogra_> (though ubuntu-touch/unity8 obviously isnt a full desktop yet)
[19:48] <marcothis> hi
[19:50] <marcothis> help me install http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/38070-ubuntu-1210-quantal-armhf-for-elf-ii/