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| saiarcot895 | When building a program using the hardening-wrapper, does the executable get changed into a library object and therefore cannot be launched through Nautilus? | 13:37 |
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| Raazeer | since I'm being ignored over in #ubuntu, allow me the liberty to ask here too: is there a way to get /dev/dsp et al back in 13.04? several packages still use it | 14:18 |
| Raazeer | I'd very much like to use some of those | 14:18 |
| penguin42 | Raazeer: There aren't many left that still only use /dev/dsp - but you might try libpulsedsp which is a fudge that persuades them to use pulse audio | 14:22 |
| Raazeer | penguin42, maybe not /dev/dsp specific but the whole group of nodes, including /dev/mixer or /dev/audio/mixer, /dev/audio in general, etc... | 14:24 |
| Raazeer | aumix uses them for example | 14:24 |
| Raazeer | imo, if the backing nodes were taken out of the sytem, those packages that needed it should either have been blacklisted or gotten a dependency on something that puts the nodes in, but that's just omo of course | 14:26 |
| penguin42 | Raazeer: Yeh that sounds fair - if they're still dependent on OSS then they need either fixing or removing; alsamixer is what I'd use instead of aumix these days | 14:27 |
| Raazeer | penguin42, the problem is, aumix is very useful in scripts due to it's comparably simple, parser-friendly output. | 14:28 |
| Raazeer | among others, the mute utility depends on it, meaning it's broken in current 13.04 | 14:28 |
| Raazeer | I guess I'll just try installing every component of oss I can find and see if I can somehow get at least the mixer and dsp node back | 14:29 |
| Raazeer | in principle, I've got oss installed according to my package output. If I had to guess, I'd say something must have seriously dropped in the crapper here. gotta look into osspd, maybe that can be a solution | 14:30 |
| Raazeer | Ah lookie here: linux-sound-base apparently contains a modprobe config file that blacklists oss completely | 14:33 |
| Raazeer | let's take that out and see what happens | 14:33 |
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| Raazeer | Ok, taking that blacklist out did not bring the device nodes back, so I have to flag both siggen and aumix-common as broken at this time, how do I go about that? | 14:42 |
| Raazeer | does anyone happen to know what part of OSS is supposed to create the device nodes? | 14:45 |
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| chowder | hey I tried asking this question in the main support channel but I didn't really get a reply. I was wondering if someone here could be of some assistance | 19:23 |
| chowder | Looking to install Ubuntu 13.04 as a Dom0 with Xen but I want LVM taking care of the hard drives as well as encryption. I know there's documentation on Ubuntu+Xen but how and at what phase would I set up the encryption? | 19:23 |
| chowder | *correction. I'm aware that LVM doesn't do encryption. That came out wrong. What I'm saying is that I don't know whether to encrypt the drives before setting up LVM or after. | 19:24 |
| chowder | I figure that it would have to be after setting up LVM but I wanted to be sure. Also wanted to know how exactly I'd go about doing it. | 19:25 |
| penguin42 | chowder: Normal way is luks encryption with lvm on top | 19:26 |
| chowder | penguin42: so luks before LVM? | 19:30 |
| chowder | how would booting work in that case? | 19:30 |
| chowder | I'm wondering if I would need a password to decrypt everything before the system finishes booting up and then use my normal login password | 19:34 |
| penguin42 | chowder: The way I'm used to is having an unencrypted boot partititon, then one more DOS partition that contains the luks crypt, and that luks contains an LVM set | 19:34 |
| penguin42 | chowder: Ubuntu sets up the initrd to ask for the password and open the luks and everything just works | 19:35 |
| penguin42 | chowder: Recent installers will do it all for you if you ask to encrypt the whole disk (when I say recent I think 13.04 does it, not sure about 12.04.2) | 19:36 |
| chowder | I see. It just seemed so complex and intimidating to me | 19:36 |
| penguin42 | it's fine until it breaks - it's a little hairier to find your filesystem again, but it's not too bad | 19:37 |
| chowder | Its a security measure because my apartment has crappy locks on the doors and the landlord is a cheapskate. She won't replace them. If my lappy gets stolen I at least want to know that a criminal can't access my data | 19:37 |
| chowder | until it breaks? can luks cause filesystem corruption or something? | 19:38 |
| penguin42 | no, it's just more complex | 19:41 |
| penguin42 | chowder: luks is a good safe way of doing it - set a bios password as well | 19:42 |
| chowder | penguin42: how about using a hardened kernel? I know there's a "ubuntu-hardened" channel but I think I'd be ok with encryption | 19:43 |
| penguin42 | chowder: Shrug that depends on what you're defending against | 19:45 |
| chowder | mainly wanna prepare in the event my lappie gets stolen | 19:45 |
| penguin42 | chowder: Ideally you should set a hard drive password in the bios so that even if someone popped the drive into another machine they couldn't trojan the /boot part to record your password to rescue it later | 19:45 |
| chowder | penguin42: would encrypted swap be a good idea? | 19:46 |
| penguin42 | chowder: Yes | 19:46 |
| penguin42 | chowder: But if you just do the luks-lvm route then the swap is just one more lvm logical volume - so you get that with no extra effort | 19:47 |
| chowder | that's true...I kind of forgot about that | 19:47 |
| chowder | I need to run Windows in a DomU for school...ugh. I go to university online | 19:47 |
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| penguin42 | chowder: Now I don't know anything about Xen really - so don't know how this all interacts with Xen | 19:48 |
| chowder | penguin42: I figure it shouldn't be too bad seeing as how Ubuntu has a how-to article on running Ubuntu with Xen. I'm guessing it'll be fine. | 19:49 |
| penguin42 | chowder: Probably but I think there is some magic about how Xen loads it's Dom0 and I don't know if that needs to be decrypted etc - but I use KVM and that just works with luks/lvm no hastle | 19:50 |
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| Raazeer | hi guys, is there any way of getting the snd-*-oss modules in 13.04 (short of a custom kernel compile if at all possible)? | 20:50 |
| Raazeer | anyone? | 20:54 |
| Raazeer | the sources have to be somewhere | 20:54 |
| sladen | Raazeer: the ALSA OSS-emulation modules? | 20:55 |
| Laney | Can we do support elsewhere please? :-) | 20:59 |
| mlankhorst | Raazeer: use cuse + osspd | 20:59 |
| Raazeer | I assume you mean fuse instead of cuse | 21:01 |
| mlankhorst | cuse | 21:01 |
| mlankhorst | character device in userspace | 21:01 |
| Laney | :| | 21:02 |
| Raazeer | Laney: I DID ask in #ubuntu earlier. nobody there even reacted to questions about oss | 21:02 |
| Raazeer | I assumed (correctly) that I would find some more in-depth knowledge here. | 21:03 |
| Raazeer | mlankhorst, found it, and thanks for the hint | 21:03 |
| Raazeer | and thanks guys, that helps | 21:04 |
| Raazeer | whom do I turn to to have some package dependencies updated? | 21:04 |
| mlankhorst | the package's maintainer | 21:07 |
| Raazeer | guys, cut me some slack here, I usually try to keep as | 21:09 |
| Raazeer | close to the reef as possible where maintaining and stuff is concerned | 21:09 |
| Raazeer | I think oss-compat needs osspd as a dependency. how do I go about finding the right guy to talk to? | 21:10 |
| Raazeer | ok, have it your way - I was trying to help, see if I will again | 21:15 |
| sladen | Laney: it might be the weekend, but there are politer ways of directing people elsewhere. eg. stating a specific location, rather than just "somewhere else", may people that somebody receives assistance, rather than feeling simply deflected | 22:39 |
| Laney | I PMed him | 22:40 |
| sladen | Laney: there's certainly a case with keeping the signal-to-noise high when things are busily happening, but if it's the only activity on the channel all day, questions are unlikely to a major deteriment to productivity | 22:40 |
| Laney | And my point isn't really the level of activity at the time of the question but creating inappropriate support backchannels | 22:41 |
| * ScottK agrees with Laney | 22:55 | |
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