[00:52] <ali1234> why doesn't make set $PWD when you do make -C?
[06:24] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:06] <Laney> grugrgrhgr
[07:09] <AlanBell> o/ Laney
[07:10] <Laney> hallo
[07:11] <AlanBell> lots of saucy updates today for this laptop
[07:12] <Laney> lots of people getting on at market harborough
[07:12] <Laney> i think i might lose my luxurious table all to myself
[07:12] <AlanBell> :)
[07:12] <AlanBell> how do I make a libreoffice presentation loop?
[07:13] <AlanBell> ah, type = auto
[07:15] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:15] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[08:32] <MartijnVdS> hi brobostigon
[08:32] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[08:33] <MartijnVdS> my The Fault in Our Stars audiobook special edition arrived \o/
[08:40] <brobostigon> did you see seasick steve and john paul jones play glastonbury last night, MartijnVdS . you would have liked it.
[08:44] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I didn't, I went to bed early
[08:45] <brobostigon> ahm ohwell. i just found the video of it, on the bbc website, so it can be rewatched.
[08:45] <MartijnVdS> yeah, \o/ iplayer ;)
[08:45] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: watch out for Ed Harcourt today (tomorrow?)
[08:45] <brobostigon> it on the bbc glastonbury event page.
[08:46] <brobostigon> bbc.co.uk/events/ej58q9
[08:46] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: interesting, i will do,
[08:46] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: http://www.bbc.co.uk/events/ej58q9/acts/a8jq2m
[08:47] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: thank you.
[08:49] <SuperEngineer> ...or as I am currently doing... bbc.co.uk/events/ej58q9
[08:49] <SuperEngineer> morning peeps
[08:50] <SuperEngineer> get-iplayer --get 347  [actually]
[08:53] <brobostigon> --nopurge*
[08:53] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[08:57]  * SuperEngineer hates getting card in yesyerday's post from sorting office - "The sender didn't pay the full postage - payment due £1.09"
[08:57] <SuperEngineer> ...& they don't even mention originating postmark to see if it's worthwhile getting!
[08:59] <SuperEngineer> [knowing my luck - it's a speeding fine - cheapskates if so - and leave at sorting office]
[09:02] <SuperEngineer> Silverstone P3 on beeb2
[09:15] <SuperEngineer> bbs - off to get snacks & beers ready for Qualifying & tommorow's F1 live coverage
[10:06] <SuperMatt> did anything weird happen with freenode a short while ago?
[10:07] <brobostigon> not that i noticed, why?
[10:07] <SuperMatt> hmmm
[10:07] <SuperMatt> my irssi isn't connecting to either freenode or darkmyst
[10:08] <SuperMatt> and my local irc can't connect to darkmyst right now
[10:08] <brobostigon> well, you are connected here, so there might have been a network interruption with the server you were trying to connect to?
[10:08] <brobostigon> dns issue ?
[10:09] <SuperMatt> I'm thinking dns cos I can't get to www.darkmyst.org right now
[10:09] <brobostigon> ok.
[10:09] <SuperMatt> but it's weird, it can't be my ISP because my server and localhost are on different networks (I think)
[10:11] <SuperMatt> well, it is quite weird because I can't even whois my server's ip address
[10:11] <brobostigon> what dns servers are you using?
[10:11] <SuperMatt> the standard ones for my isp
[10:11] <SuperMatt> I think I'm gonna add 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4
[10:12] <brobostigon> ah, ok. i have my setup here, to tell all connected machines to use google dns.
[10:16] <SuperMatt> hmmm... I'm not sure how to get my server to start using 8.8.8.8. I've added it /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, but when I restart networking, it still uses the old one
[10:16] <brobostigon> i use hostapd here.
[10:17] <brobostigon> the dns here is set inside that, that it gives out to clients.
[10:18] <SuperMatt> ah, I need to reboot that server anyway
[10:40] <popey> pip pip
[10:56] <czajkowski> chirrooo
[10:58]  * penguin42 hands czajkowski a tissue
[12:30]  * penguin42 gets bugged into upgrading my Dad's ancient machine - looks like it'll only boot off CD
[12:31] <penguin42> I think I'll try booting off an Ubuntu server cd
[12:43]  * penguin42 fails to find the md5sum or signed hash of the iso on the download page
[12:44] <BigRedS> I don't think I've ever checked the md5sum of an ISO before using it
[12:44] <penguin42> ah, so you don't know if someone has injected something nasty
[12:45] <BigRedS> nah, but if I get the md5sum from the same place that wouldn't be particularly reassuing in any case
[12:46] <penguin42> BigRedS: But if it's in a signed file with a signature tyable back to the public key tree then you can
[12:47] <penguin42> BigRedS: actually, here's the daily set - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/  see there is a MD5SUMS (and SHA256SUMS) and a SHA256SUMS.gpg
[12:48] <BigRedS> oh yeah, there generally is in the dir, it's just not linked to from the pretty download page
[12:50] <penguin42> problem is finding the dir - it's not in the download URL - and I still can't find this one
[12:53] <penguin42> ahha http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/
[12:54] <Azelphur> Anyone what channel would be good to talk about xrandr stuff?
[12:56] <penguin42> ubuntu-x ?
[12:56] <Azelphur> good idea
[13:55] <penguin42> out of interest what was the question?
[14:03] <awilkins> 42
[14:03] <awilkins> Wait, that was the answer
[14:19] <MartijnVdS> Wow, it's obvious the freeradius mailing list does not have a CoC
[14:22] <BigRedS> angry sarcasm is a required feature of a tech mailing list, isn't it?
[14:23] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: this is "Read the docs or I'll unsubscribe you"
[14:23] <penguin42> sarcasm? On a mailing list? Never....
[14:23] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: and then "No really READ THE DOCS"
[14:23] <BigRedS> oh, that's not even no CoC, that's bad moderators, surely?
[14:24] <MartijnVdS> well if you're one of the main project guys..
[14:24] <MartijnVdS> anyway
[14:24] <MartijnVdS> it's not helping me find answers to my questions very well ;)
[14:25] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: what's the problem?
[14:25] <MartijnVdS> because, sure it's documented.. by I need a map :)
[14:25] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: I want to know if there's something that works like "Expiration" (which disables an account after the set time), but for *enabling* it only after a certain time
[14:25] <MartijnVdS> I'd call it "not-valid-before"
[14:26] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: i.e. you can only get accepted by the freeradius server after 9am?
[14:27] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: Ubuntu? (Which version?)
[14:27] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: it's for camping guests, who get login tickets that should only work during the time they've reserved
[14:27] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: 12.04
[14:28] <MartijnVdS> I could use a second table/database and only export to the "real" tables when it's time
[14:28] <MartijnVdS> but that's a hassle and if it's avoidable.. well ;)
[14:29] <MartijnVdS> oh, it looks like the 'Expiration' module should be able to do it, with some custom SQL, maybe
[14:33] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: hmmm. not sure off hand. Just spinning up a VM (I managed the freeradius box at work)
[14:37] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: I like that the default configs refer to my home town (where Cistron, my old employer) was based, who wrote lots of RADIUS stuff ;)
[14:37] <StevenR> hehe
[15:11] <penguin42> right, dads old machine mostly upgraded - Ubuntu Server+Mate desktop
[15:12] <SuperEngineer> just realised I'm done to my last .5GB on U1 - but it seems to be enough for needs so far
[15:12] <SuperEngineer> *down
[15:13] <penguin42> installing old machines is a PITA; won't boot off USB, or it's DVD drive, and it turns out it's CDROM drive was slightly but not completely knackered
[15:21] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: what you need is a pitta bread [PITA/pitta - get it?] - stuff it in the drive & let it know what you think!
[16:26] <MartijnVdS> almost, but not quite, entirely knackered
[16:27] <penguin42> me too, from doing nothing - I think maybe a bit of a cold
[17:50] <bigcalm> Hello peeps :)
[17:53] <penguin42> Hey bc
[17:53] <bigcalm> Hola
[18:15] <popey> evening
[18:24] <bigcalm> Howdy
[18:24] <bigcalm> Eep, almost time for the cinema. Best have some grub
[18:27] <popey> We went to see Dispicable Me 2 today with the kids
[18:27] <popey> fun
[18:28] <bigcalm> That's what Hayley and I are off to watch now :D
[18:28] <bigcalm> Toodles
[18:46] <ali1234> why doesn't pngcrush support reading png data from stdin?
[18:52] <ali1234> answer: becqause libpng requires that ftell works on the input file stream
[19:00] <zleap> hi
[19:13]  * penguin42 almost feels sorry enough to tell Currys/pcworld all their adds go to http.com
[19:30] <Laney> hoooooooooooooooooooooooooomeward bound
[19:36] <penguin42> you're sitting on a railway station with a ticket for your destination?
[19:36] <DJones> Hmmh, Homeward Bound.. A song written at a nearby railway station
[19:51] <Laney> oh god
[19:51] <Laney> just accidently played music out of my laptop to the carriage
[19:51] <popey> hah
[19:51] <Laney> was listening to it through the phone
[19:51] <popey> i did that once, when my headphones weren't plugged in fully
[19:51] <Laney> nobody said a word
[19:51] <popey> "man, this is quiet" *turns up volume*
[19:51] <Laney> must have been a good 10 minutes
[19:52] <Laney> haha
[20:02] <SuperEngineer> talking of which - BBC coverage of Glastonbury continues now [on red button 301]
[20:05] <Laney> bedford: city of dreams
[20:14] <YaManicKill> so this is a fun issue
[20:14] <YaManicKill> just realised my server is still on 8.04
[20:15] <YaManicKill> now, when I try and upgrade to 10.04, it doesn't seem to work
[20:15] <YaManicKill> but I thought 10.04 server was supported till 2015
[20:16] <penguin42> YaManicKill: Interesting you say that, I was trying to update my Dad's 11.04 to 12.04 and the updater couldn't find an upgrade
[20:16] <penguin42> YaManicKill: I think if you installed a 10.04 it would upgrade, but yeh I wonder what the upgrade time frame is
[20:17] <penguin42> I'd expected to be able to upgrade 11.04 to 12.04
[20:17] <Laney> It goes a bit south when the release is EOL
[20:17] <penguin42> nod, pity you'd kind of hope you'd be able to get out of EOL jail to a current in support one
[20:18] <YaManicKill> yeah
[20:18] <YaManicKill> I think you *need* to upgrade from 1 to the next, or 1 LTS to the next
[20:18] <YaManicKill> which would mean 11.04 would have to go via 11.10, which is now EOL
[20:18] <YaManicKill> I think they take the repos offline when it's EOL
[20:18] <Laney> well, you can do that if you use old-releases.ubuntu.com in sources.list
[20:18] <YaManicKill> but, 10.04 server isn't EOL till 2015
[20:18] <Laney> not sure if update-manager will help you
[20:18] <penguin42> YaManicKill: Yeh although I don't quite get why if it's EOLd why it still won't update to newer
[20:20] <YaManicKill> oh wait...I think I've figured out my issue
[20:20] <YaManicKill> wonky DNS servers :-P
[20:20] <penguin42> haha
[20:20] <YaManicKill> ignore me ;-)
[20:20] <penguin42> sure - did someone hear something?
[20:21] <YaManicKill> oh, more than just DNS..I forgot I had a static IP on there, and I've moved house so my gateway has changed
[20:21] <YaManicKill> sigh
[20:22] <YaManicKill> I am such a failure of a geek
[20:25] <SuperEngineer> freeview 301 - primal Scream live at Glastonbury - now
[20:27] <SuperEngineer> [live-ish]
[20:29] <mungbean> evening
[20:53] <ali1234> what does it mean when 'ls -l __pycache__' says this: -????????? ? ? ? ?            ? textures.cpython-33.pyc
[20:53] <ali1234> and i can't cd into the directory or delete the files because permission denies
[20:54] <ali1234> and why do i have a bad feeling that the filesystem is knackered?
[20:57] <ali1234> nvm, i must have accidentally chmod u-x it somehow
[21:06] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: what about the logintime module?
[21:07] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: see /etc/freeradius/modules/logintime
[21:43] <popey> evening
[21:46] <mgdm> hi popey
[21:48] <mgdm> :(
[22:00] <Laney> why the left paren
[22:01] <mgdm> I said hi to popey and then he left :P (though he appears to have since returned)
[22:02] <Laney> that guy can't stay away
[22:08] <Laney> http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/6550622/fbcfffab/rapper_komt_uit_de_kast.html
[22:08] <popey> ʘ‿ಠ
[22:09]  * popey goes to be mr taxi man picking up the inlaws
[22:10] <Azelphur> Hey folks, set up a VPN, got two Ubuntu machines (12.10 and 13.04), my 13.04 connects to the VPN, works fine, my friends 12.10 connects, get allocated an IP, and can't see anything on the network, at all
[22:13] <ali1234> routing issues probably
[22:13] <Azelphur> ali1234: anything specific to check?
[22:13] <ali1234> route -n
[22:14] <ali1234> i'm going to need to see a large amount of information about the networks involved in order to debug this
[22:14] <Azelphur> yea, will get it for you, just getting him reconnected to my VPN again
[22:15] <ali1234> the LAN configuration of each machine, the VPN network, route -n from every machine involved...
[22:15] <ali1234> a diagram of how the topolofy is set out would be helpful too
[22:16] <Azelphur> ali1234: I think I just realised the obvious, his network is 192.168.1.* and my network is 192.168.1.* too
[22:16] <Azelphur> so I bet that's why
[22:17] <ali1234> probably
[22:17] <Azelphur> ali1234: how would I work around that? XD
[22:17] <ali1234> well it should not really matter as long as the VPN is not 192.168.1.* as well
[22:18] <ali1234> it depends what you are trying to do though
[22:18] <Azelphur> ali1234: the VPN is hosted in my router, and the "Server IP" is set to 192.168.1.20
[22:18] <ali1234> that does not mean much to me
[22:18] <ali1234> i mean that could mean anything
[22:18] <ali1234> what are you actually trying to do?
[22:19] <Azelphur> ali1234: well, I'm trying to get him connected to my VPN so he can access my fileserver
[22:19] <ali1234> ok
[22:19] <ali1234> what is the VPN IP address of the fileserver?
[22:19] <Azelphur> the fileserver isn't connected to the VPN, it's just on my local network
[22:19] <Azelphur> the idea is that by connecting to the VPN, it brings you into my local network
[22:19] <MonsterKiller> router -n: http://pastebin.com/SP7mmYyD
[22:19] <ali1234> well then how do you expect him to be able to connect to it, if it isn';t on the VPN?
[22:19] <MonsterKiller> route*
[22:19] <Azelphur> ali1234: there ya go ^
[22:20] <Azelphur> ali1234: it works fine from my phone on 3g, I've streamed stuff and I can communicate with it fine
[22:20] <ali1234> yeah that's messed up
[22:20] <ali1234> the VPN using 192.168.1.* is not a good idea
[22:20] <Azelphur> I see
[22:21] <Azelphur> what would you suggest?
[22:21] <ali1234> but the underlying issue here is VPN isn't quite as simple as you think
[22:21] <Azelphur> hehe
[22:22] <Azelphur> I mean in theory I could just allocate some other address space, but that doesn't stop that address space being used in whatever network I'm connected to
[22:23] <ali1234> yes, that is a problem
[22:23] <ali1234> often with corporate VPNs they run two on different IP ranges for this reason
[22:24] <ali1234> but you probably don't need that
[22:24] <ali1234> just use 176 addreses, nobody ever uses those
[22:24] <Azelphur> fun
[22:24] <ali1234> i mean 172
[22:25] <Azelphur> I see, sounds like a plan
[22:25] <ali1234> you can probably even get away with a high 192 range
[22:25] <Azelphur> so basically everything I want to be externally accessible I should have connected to the VPN
[22:25] <Azelphur> and set up my VPN to allocate 172s?
[22:25] <ali1234> that is the easy way to do it
[22:25] <Azelphur> easy way is cool.
[22:26] <ali1234> you can try to join together the networks using routing but that is hard and you will have more problems with addressing clashes
[22:26] <ali1234> in this case if you did that one of you would have to renumber their network
[22:26] <ali1234> so you don't want to do that
[22:26] <Azelphur> ali1234: yea, I want something that works in as many networking scenarios as possible really
[22:26] <Azelphur> I wanna be able to access it while I'm "out and about"
[22:27] <ali1234> so yeah
[22:27] <ali1234> put a VPN client on your file server and join it to he network
[22:27] <ali1234> make sure VPN is using some obscure address range
[22:27] <ali1234> and then you should be good
[22:27] <Azelphur> righto, ty :)
[22:39] <Azelphur> ali1234: another interesting conundrum, what I usually do is have a hostname, "server" which points at my server, and all my stuff is configured to connect to that, any idea how on earth I'd make that work?
[22:39] <Azelphur> because when I'm inside the VPN, it obviously needs to be the 172 address, but when I'm at home, it needs to be the 192 address
[22:40] <Azelphur> unless, I connect to my local VPN, all the time, even when at home
[22:40] <ali1234> that is the easiest way
[22:40] <Azelphur> just stay connected to it all the time?
[22:40] <Azelphur> fair enough xD
[22:40] <ali1234> you can also do it through DNS
[22:40] <Azelphur> oh yea?
[22:41] <ali1234> you will need to run DNS servers for that though
[22:41] <Azelphur> yea, meh with that
[22:41] <Azelphur> will just configure Ubuntu to VPN on startup I guess
[23:00] <Azelphur> ali1234: making more progress, so I've got everyone connected on 172.16.77.x, I can ping MonsterKiller (.4), but I can't ping my server (.2), any ideas?
[23:01] <ali1234> mtr
[23:01] <Azelphur> ali1234: mtr to MonsterKiller (.4), 1. DD-WRT, 2. ???
[23:01] <ali1234> route -n
[23:02] <Azelphur> route -n on server (.2) http://pastebin.com/g1disMYZ
[23:02] <ali1234> what is the second line
[23:03] <Azelphur> ali1234: that IP is my routers public IP, dunno what significance it has.
[23:04] <ali1234> it should not do anything
[23:04] <ali1234> anyway you only have a route to 172.16.77.1
[23:04] <ali1234> so pings will never come back
[23:04] <ali1234> nor any other traffic
[23:04] <Azelphur> hmm
[23:04] <ali1234> if you log in to dd-wrt you can ping everyone
[23:05] <ali1234> what is your route -n?
[23:05] <ali1234> the question is do you even want everyone on the VPN to access each other's machines
[23:06] <Azelphur> ali1234: yes, I want everyone to be able to talk to everyone
[23:06] <ali1234> ok then you need the VPN server to tell the clients to add default network route
[23:06] <ali1234> just for the 172 network though
[23:07] <ali1234> you have to watch out for classful network though
[23:07] <ali1234> what vpn client are you using?
[23:07] <Azelphur> ali1234: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2013/Jun/2013-06-30-000706_893x626_scrot.png any idea how I'd do that given those options?
[23:08] <ali1234> PPTP... hahahahaha
[23:08] <ali1234> oh well
[23:08] <Azelphur> :<
[23:08] <Azelphur> ali1234: I have a OpenVPN option
[23:08] <ali1234> it might be a setting on the client
[23:08] <ali1234> in fact it probably is
[23:09] <Azelphur> hmm
[23:09] <ali1234> i bet monsterkiller set his end up using network manager
[23:09] <ali1234> by default that will route all of your traffic through the VPN
[23:10] <ali1234> which you do not want
[23:10] <ali1234> however it will make it look like it is working
[23:10] <Azelphur> ali1234: yea, everything is set up network manager
[23:11] <ali1234> what about on the fileserver though?
[23:11] <Azelphur> just did sudo pon home nodeattach
[23:11] <ali1234> so yeah
[23:11] <Azelphur> nodetach*
[23:12] <ali1234> check the ipv4 setting in NM
[23:12] <ali1234> click the routes button
[23:12] <ali1234> look at the options
[23:12] <ali1234> "only se for resources on the network"
[23:12] <ali1234> "ignore automatic routes"
[23:12] <ali1234> the first one will prevent all your traffic going through the VPN so turn it on
[23:13] <ali1234> the second one will make it so that you don't get any automatic routes at all which is the situation you have on the fileserver
[23:13] <ali1234> what's your route -n on your desktop?
[23:14] <ali1234> btw, automatic routes don't come from the server with PPTP, it uses classful networking to guess what it should be
[23:14] <Azelphur> trying to get that, difficult as my laptop isn't connected to the net :P
[23:14] <ali1234> why not?
[23:14] <ali1234> bah
[23:14] <Azelphur> I have no idea
[23:15] <ali1234> i'll tell you why: because all your traffic is going over the VPN
[23:15] <ali1234> but the VPN won't allow you to access the net
[23:15] <Azelphur> hehe
[23:15] <ali1234> so check those NM settings
[23:15] <ali1234> also observe routing table before and after
[23:18] <Azelphur> ali1234: http://pastebin.com/qcAiajYy before and after
[23:18] <ali1234> hmm well restart the vpn i guess, because it didn't take
[23:19] <ali1234> oh wait yes it did
[23:19] <ali1234> look at the first line
[23:19] <Azelphur> :D
[23:19] <Azelphur> yea, it has internet connectivity now
[23:19] <Azelphur> and just like the file server, it can only talk to .1 and nothing else
[23:19] <ali1234> yeah
[23:19] <ali1234> via 172
[23:20] <ali1234> try on local
[23:20] <ali1234> you have a link local IP on the VPN
[23:20] <ali1234> so server.local should get to your server
[23:20] <ali1234> both on and off the VPN
[23:20] <ali1234> if you set up avahi that is
[23:20] <Azelphur> yup I can talk to the server locally
[23:21] <ali1234> yeah thats not what i meant
[23:21] <ali1234> can you ping server.local?
[23:21] <Azelphur> no
[23:21] <ali1234> install avahi-daemon on the server
[23:21] <Azelphur> although I can ping my desktop.local from my laptop (which is connected to the VPN)
[23:22] <ali1234> avahi is only installed on desktop by default
[23:22] <Azelphur> so I'm guessing .local stuff does work
[23:22] <Azelphur> ah
[23:22] <ali1234> it's te best thing ever
[23:22] <ali1234> you never have to deal with IPs again
[23:22] <Azelphur> cool :D
[23:22] <Azelphur> azelphur-server.local now responds
[23:22] <Azelphur> :)
[23:23] <ali1234> ok
[23:23] <ali1234> now get monsterkiller to do the same NM config
[23:23] <ali1234> he should be able to ping azelphur-server.local too
[23:23] <Azelphur> :O
[23:24] <Azelphur> ali1234: aww, looks like he's gone to sleep
[23:24] <Azelphur> but I can get external to my network and test with my 3g phone
[23:26] <Azelphur> ali1234: unable to ping azelphur-server.local :(
[23:26] <ali1234> route -n
[23:26] <Azelphur> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5812390/
[23:26] <ali1234> hmm
[23:29] <ali1234> well looks like you'll have to add manual routes
[23:30] <Azelphur> I can do that, I like having azelphur-server.local, that means I can just fill in all my domain boxes with that, and be in/out of the VPN and have everything work.
[23:30] <ali1234> i'm not sure why link local keeps moving around
[23:32] <Azelphur> :(
[23:33] <Azelphur> ali1234: I disconnected from the VPN and it still doesn't work, perhaps it's just having a funny, will reboot.
[23:35] <ali1234> ah, i remember
[23:35] <Azelphur> there, responds off the VPN now
[23:35] <ali1234> windows uses classful networks to guess the netmask
[23:35] <ali1234> but network manager does not
[23:35] <ali1234> so you have to make the vpn server tell the netmask
[23:35] <Azelphur> I see
[23:36] <Azelphur> ali1234: any idea how to do that?
[23:36] <ali1234> implementation specific
[23:37] <Azelphur> http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/PPTP_Server_Configuration there's a lot of info on here, I don't have too much idea where I'm going with it
[23:41] <ali1234> that page is rubbish
[23:41] <Azelphur> :<
[23:41] <ali1234> nobody on it has any idea what they are doing
[23:41] <Azelphur> haha, yea, I did notice everyone seemed to be taking the approach of trying all possible options until something works sort of xD
[23:42] <ali1234> "Select  Basic Setup -> Advanced Routing "
[23:42] <ali1234> do that
[23:43] <ali1234> actually that is probably no use
[23:43] <Azelphur> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2013/Jun/2013-06-30-004307_1229x788_scrot.png
[23:44] <ali1234> yeah, no
[23:44] <ali1234> can you shell into dd-wrt?
[23:44] <Azelphur> yup
[23:46] <Azelphur> or at least I used to be able to, now it just says connection closed. :(
[23:48] <ali1234> hmm
[23:48] <ali1234> it says here you can use the same subnet for the vpn as your main network...
[23:49] <Azelphur> oO
[23:50] <Azelphur> ali1234: so that means I should be allocating 192.168.* addresses?
[23:51] <penguin42> ali1234: You might want to if say you are using a laptop to connect to your vpn from random places and the random place you happen to be connecting from uses the same range
[23:51] <Azelphur> penguin42: that's been the entire problem I've had today
[23:51] <Azelphur> I can't connect to my VPN because the place I happened to be connecting from used the same range
[23:51] <penguin42> Azelphur: It's really difficult because you still need to get to your router
[23:52] <Azelphur> well, I can connect to the VPN, it's just useless :p
[23:52] <penguin42> Azelphur: Put a VM on your machine, make the IP range inside the VM completely different, run the VPN software inside the machine
[23:52] <Azelphur> haha
[23:52] <Azelphur> that is an awfully lame workaround xD
[23:53] <penguin42> oh yeh - it'll work though :-)
[23:56] <ali1234> well, i give up
[23:56] <Azelphur> oh well, gonna call it a night for now, gotta be up early tomorrow, no VPN in London for me
[23:56] <Azelphur> yea XD
[23:56] <ali1234> you're going to have to set manual routes in network manager to make it work
[23:57] <Azelphur> ali1234: can I ping you tomorrow for info on that? :)
[23:57] <Azelphur> would be nice to have it working
[23:57] <ali1234> ok
[23:57] <Azelphur> I could also be totally lame and just go with the setup I had before
[23:57] <Azelphur> but move my entire network to 172.* lol
[23:57] <Azelphur> but that's bad
[23:57] <Azelphur> anyway yea, nn :)