[01:36] <yown> Is there a way to have gnome 2 like environment in 13.4 ubuntu?
[01:42] <krytarik> yown, see here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1966370&page=20&p=12665934#post12665934
[01:45] <yown> krytarik: I have seen screeenshots of "fall back" but it misses the "system" menu tree, got any idea about that?
[01:46] <krytarik> yown: Nope, you'll just have to live with that then.
[01:47] <yown> Live with not being able to access important menu options? I think not. How can one properly manage without them?
[01:47] <yown> krytarik: You don't know of a way to get a more full gnome 2 experience on 13.4?
[01:48] <krytarik> yown: It's all just under "Applications".
[01:49] <krytarik> It's a bit inconvenient, but yeah.
[01:49] <yown> krytarik: You mean all the options that were system were moved to application?
[01:49] <krytarik> Yup.
[01:50] <yown> Do you know why this was done?
[01:50] <krytarik> Oh, please not that discussion with me now. :P
[01:51] <yown> I didn't say I wanted to discuss it with you, I just asked if you knew some of the reasons behind it?
[01:53] <yown> krytarik: Is there a clear screen icon in fallback? I am not seeing one in the screenshot
[01:54] <krytarik> yown: You mean "Show Desktop"? Yeah, there is.
[01:55] <yown> Is there a fork or addon or something that brings back "system"?
[01:55] <yown> for 13.4
[01:57] <krytarik> yown: Yeah, there is MATE, but I'm not a particular fan of it: http://mate-desktop.org/about/
[01:58] <yown> I looked at mate, it doesn't even have a top bar, and it crams all the menu trees into a windows like icon, which I am not a fan of. Is there a way to get MATE to look like gnome 2 krytarik?
[01:59] <yown> to give it a top bar including app shortcut placements, the 3 menus?
[02:00] <krytarik> yown: On the front page of MATE's site, it looks like, but have a look at the link I've posted.
[02:01] <yown> krytarik: I did, what of it? That screenshot is of gnome 2
[02:02] <krytarik> yown: Well, it's forked from Gnome 2, that's the whole point of it. :P
[02:03] <krytarik> yown: And it definitely used to look that, they seem to at least have added that other menu now though.
[02:03] <yown> What is, to work like gnome 2? All the screenshots I can find of it make it look like its imitating a windows set up, which is no good
[02:05] <yown> krytarik:  What other menu, where, who? Please elaborate
[02:06] <yown> hi marawan2, you know anything about getting gnome 2 like DE on 13.4?
[02:06] <marawan2> yown: wow buddy, i joined this cuz it said for begginers
[02:07] <marawan2> yown: i am not of much help as of my little info
[02:07] <Unit193> !notunity | yown
[02:09] <marawan2> *me not understanding anything*
[02:09] <marawan2> ubot93: what is unity and gnome
[02:09] <yown> I can explain, they are desk top environments. In other words they are the graphical interface you use to interact with ubuntu
[02:10] <krytarik> yown: Please have a look at the announcement of its latest release, there is no Windows-like menu in -any- of those screenshots, just the old-style one: http://mate-desktop.org/2013/04/02/mate-1-6-released/
[02:10] <marawan2> yown: but i thought usity was for games and stuff
[02:11] <krytarik> yown: And now that we've talked about that, it's gone on the front page too, of course. :P
[02:11] <yown> marawan2: no, unit is a DesktopEnvironment (or DE for short)
[02:12] <yown> in fact, unity is one of the most resource intensive DE's, and thus the worst for playing games over
[02:13] <yown> I dislike it for other reasons
[02:13] <marawan2> yown: but there are these begone and rush team games that require some plugin called unity 3d
[02:13] <marawan2> does that have anything related
[02:14] <krytarik> marawan2: Nope.
[02:14] <yown> Oh the flash player?
[02:14] <marawan2> yes
[02:14] <yown> Now that I think of it, I think there is a 3d flash player with a similar name, that has no relation to this
[02:15] <krytarik> marawan2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_3D
[02:17] <yown> krytarik: But screenshots of 1.8 look like windows, is there a fallback to 1.6 mate?
[02:18] <marawan2> ubuntu is so candy eye
[02:18] <marawan2> lubuntu is not for sure
[02:18] <yown> marawan2: Unfortunately there is no linux support for unity the flash player that I know of, nor of the latest flash update, I think anyway
[02:20] <yown> But you could perhaps use wine, or other methods to indirectly make them work
[02:22] <marawan2> no i can't, i am running old crappy laptop on lubuntu so i cant
[02:24] <yown> well no reason to bother with unity 3d in the first place then, since even directly without emulation or whatever, its not exactly low on resource requirement. Flash is pretty inefficient that way from what I have seen
[02:26] <yown> krytarik: Still there? You know anything directly about mate? Have you used it before?
[02:28] <krytarik> yown: You realize that with MATE 1.8, you are talking about a version that isn't even released yet, right? And I can't even get screenshots of that on a quick web search right now. You may have more luck asking about such details in their own channel, #mate.
[02:31] <krytarik> yown: It looks like you are confusing MATE with Cinnamon.
[02:33] <marawan2> yown: me trying my best to theme ubuntu http://imgur.com/A3Wqd5N
[02:34] <krytarik> yown: And no, didn't try it myself, I'm past Gnome 2's setup since a while already, my blog partner did though.
 is it that all people who try linux are either blogers/youtubers, freelancers or programmers ? because i don't understand any of the mate and cinnamon you r saying!
[02:37] <yown> krytarik: Did you say you didn't like Mate? If so, what didn't you like about it?
[02:38] <yown> marawan2: They are the names of DE environments like I was explaining earlier
[02:38] <krytarik> yown: Yup, I said so. First, it's Gnome 2-ish; second, its default theme is really ugly. :P
[02:38] <marawan2> yown: well i guess there is many DE envirnoments
[02:38] <yown> Think of them as flavors of linux, and you will find it very simple to understand
[02:38] <yown> yes, very many
[02:39] <yown> And DE mostly effects how you interact with the Operating System, and not basic functionality/compatibility etc
[02:40] <yown> So the analogy would be, ubuntu is a flavor of linux icecream, and a DE is the topping you might choose to put on top of that icecream
[02:41] <krytarik> I like that analogy. :)
[02:41] <marawan2> :)
[02:42] <marawan2> i think you guys should be at the Ubuntu-pro
[02:42] <yown> heh, except this is very basic stuff
[02:43] <marawan2> oh so there is more in depth
[02:43] <yown> Operating systems are very complex
[02:44] <yown> Windows is very complex, it just hides that complexity, where as linux exposes it more
[02:44] <yown> ubuntu is a good entry point for a new person like yourself
[02:45] <yown> But I would recommend against the default DE of ubuntu, "unity" as personally believe it is not newbie friendly
[02:46] <marawan2> my opinion linux is not newbie friendly at all
[02:46] <yown> It really is
[02:46] <marawan2> while my grandma uses windows 7 with ease :D
[02:47] <yown> I was scared myself when first coming into linux, but really its pretty simple
[02:47] <yown> Use the ubuntu software center for installing new programs
[02:47] <marawan2> i am just past the scared
[02:47] <marawan2> right into the confused
[02:48] <yown> Well what confuses you
[02:48] <marawan2> some softwares will be like untrusted so i have to do some weird sudo apt stuff through the terminal
[02:48] <marawan2> which i don't understand what i am doing by the way
[02:48] <yown> Are you talking about installing through ubuntu software center?
[02:49] <marawan2> yes
[02:49] <yown> Well put the details here, and maybe someone can help
[02:49] <marawan2> i did in the ubuntu server
[02:50] <yown> you mean the ubuntu channel?
[02:50] <marawan2> ya
[02:50] <marawan2> i am new to the irc chat too
[02:50] <yown> no help? Keep at it then, or ask here
[02:50] <marawan2> i got help
[02:50] <yown> cool
[02:50] <marawan2> they say use the synpatic pakge manager
[02:50] <yown> Its not like you can find this kind of help with windows
[02:50] <marawan2> no
[02:51] <marawan2> windows is crap, slow, viruse full, expensive and not FUN
[02:51] <marawan2> i got to admit linux is cool
[02:51] <yown> Well do as they instruct. There should be a bunch of lines you can put into a terminal in order to install what you need to install
[02:51] <yown> You dont need to understand the lines at first
[02:51] <yown> Just find them online or through help
[02:58] <marawan2> ya thats what i did
[03:03] <marawan2> well yown, could you suggest some softwares for me
[03:06] <marawan2> yown u still there bro
[03:06] <marawan2> i didn't get to know your real name or where u from
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[11:15] <pip__> Hi, I can't find the "mark as solved" dodad on the forums any more.  Where's it hidden these days please?
[11:34] <wilee-nilee> pip__, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnansweredPostsTeam/SolvedThreads
[11:34] <pip__> wilee-nilee: you, sir or madam are a hero, thanks
[11:42] <wilee-nilee> pip__, No problem