[08:33] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[08:33] <MartijnVdS> hi brobostigon
[08:34] <brobostigon> hi MartijnVdS
[09:29] <brobostigon> dr strangelove film4 11am.
[09:33] <MartijnVdS> but.. F1 on BBC One at 12:10 :)
[09:33] <brobostigon> :)
[09:35] <brobostigon> thats the nice thing about living where i do, you can almost hear the cars down the road.
[10:54] <MartijnVdS> my windows are transparent again \o/
[10:55] <MartijnVdS> IRL windows.. of my house
[10:59] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: been doing some housecleaning are we ?
[11:00] <SuperEngineer> vroom vroom coverage in 10 mins - receypoos in 1hr
[11:19] <bigcalm> Good afternoon peeps :)
[11:19] <brobostigon> afternoonings bigcalm
[13:05] <penguin42> hmm, wonder when that happened - Grub wants (hd0,msdos2) rather than (hd0,2) now
[13:11] <directhex> penguin42, looks like a change in 2.00 final
[13:11] <directhex> penguin42, presumably to mandate the partition scheme, i.e. the msdos name = MBR partitioning
[13:12] <penguin42> directhex: Interesting; I've got this 4 lines I copy from box to box to dual boot DOS on my dads machines and had to change it on the 12.04.2 install I just did for him
[13:12] <shauno> does anyone know what the relevant of putting a decimal after a digit in fortran is?  eg, 3.*var, or 1.-var, etc
[13:12] <penguin42> obscure question of the week award!
[13:13] <shauno> I know, lmgtfy etc, but google just ignores . as punctuation
[13:14] <penguin42> shauno: http://www-classes.usc.edu/engr/ce/108/text/fbk01.htm
[13:14] <penguin42> shauno: Doesn't qite help though
[13:14] <penguin42> precision seems to be after not before
[13:15] <shauno> actually, it might .. I read that as it's casting it?  so '3' is an int but "3." is a float
[13:16] <penguin42> yeh that makes sense
[13:16] <penguin42> hmm interestingly the same thing works in python  2/5.  gives 0.4 as opposed to 2/5 gives 0
[13:16] <penguin42> that'll save me a few 0's :-)
[13:17] <penguin42> shauno: Wth are you doing with fortran?  debugging spec?
[13:17] <shauno> heh.  that seems to be a theme in this code too.  the comments run for miles, but the code is terse as hell
[13:19] <shauno> kinda, that's how the algorithm has been provided.  (c) 1980 :/
[13:19] <shauno> "These FORTRAN IV routines have been implemented on a Honeywell-6000 series computer. This machine has a processing speed in the 1MIPS range and a 36 bit floating point word providing 8 significant figures of accuracy in single precision."
[13:19] <penguin42> oh god
[13:19] <shauno> the scariest version of "works for me" I've seen in a long time
[13:21] <penguin42> shauno: http://www.flickr.com/photos/63085612@N00/111068688/
[13:21] <shauno> what's the bets I could emulate it on a pi?
[13:21] <penguin42> shauno: There is a link on the wikipedia page to an emulator
[13:22] <penguin42> shauno: Although interfacing the tape drive and line printer could be challenging
[13:22] <shauno> I'd be surprised if simh doesn't do it
[13:22]  * penguin42 has done some 36bit machine emulation in the past - it's a real real pain
[13:23] <shauno> but I should be able to pick through this.  they're not using anything completely crazy, at least  (apparently fortran has support for imaginary numbers)
[13:23] <penguin42> shauno: Well so does C++ these days
[13:23] <penguin42> shauno: Is that spec2k or 2k6 ?
[13:24] <penguin42> couple of years since I've had to wrangle it
[13:24] <shauno> no idea :)  just something I heard mentioned, and thought it sounded quite scary
[13:24] <penguin42> nod
[13:25] <penguin42> imaginary/complex numbers aren't that hard - it's just a pair of values in the end
[13:56] <ali1234> python has support for imaginary numbers also
[13:57] <ali1234> http://docs.python.org/3/library/cmath.html
[19:27] <knightwise> hey everyone
[19:40] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[19:40] <brobostigon> evening bigcalm
[19:42] <popey> pip pip
[19:42] <bigcalm> Ah, life
[19:42] <bigcalm> Are we all well?
[19:43] <popey> Yes!
[19:43] <popey> hows you?
[19:43] <bigcalm> Older
[19:43] <popey> oh?
[19:43] <bigcalm> It's my birthday, don'tcha know?
[19:43] <zleap> happy birthday
[19:44] <bigcalm> Thanking you
[19:44] <popey> I did not know.
[19:45] <bigcalm> And now you know
[19:46] <knightwise> yooyo
[19:46] <popey> get ready
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[19:47] <bigcalm> Oh my
[19:48] <bigcalm> Thank you!
[19:50]  * popey wants to play a game.
[19:53] <bigcalm> How about a nice game of chess?
[19:53] <popey> ☻
[19:55] <zleap> :)
[19:58]  * bigcalm drums fingers
[19:59] <bigcalm> Wish Stealth Bastard Deluxe works properly on my laptop. Instead the keys are sending the wrong commands
[19:59] <knightwise> popey: is that a space invader ?
[19:59] <bigcalm> This happens on other games as well, like Psyconaughts
[20:00] <bigcalm> knightwise: you need to use a fixed width font with IRC
[20:05] <bigcalm> Who was it that was trying to run DropBox from a headless server?
[20:05] <mungbean> duuno, buts its straight forward
[20:05] <bigcalm> Yep: https://www.dropbox.com/install?os=lnx
[20:06] <bigcalm> Maybe it's recent, but whom ever was asking before seemed to be using a lot of scripts and magic to get it working
[20:07] <shauno> first time I tried you had to install it on a desktop and then transplant the ~/.dropbox folder out once it had linked.  last time I tried, it was all handled properly
[20:09] <DJones> bigcalm: It was me, I got it going fairly easily
[20:10] <DJones> bigcalm: That looks like the same instructions that I followed, just from a different website when I found it
[20:11] <bigcalm> DJones: oh, I thought the page you linked to was a lot more long winded
[20:11] <DJones> I think there probably a lot more waffle in the instructions
[20:13] <DJones> The only thing that looks different is that there isn't instructions to create a dropbox service on that page
[20:15] <bigcalm> I used the dropbox.py script
[20:15] <bigcalm> Just ran dropbox.py stop; dropbox.py start
[20:16] <bigcalm> Logged out, logged back in and it was still running as a service
[20:16] <DJones> Interesting, I might have a look at that in a bit more detail
[20:16] <shauno> it's more surviving reboots that takes some massaging
[20:16] <bigcalm> Well, running as a detached process
[20:17] <bigcalm> Ah, fair enough
[20:17] <bigcalm> I have supervisor running on my server, might use that to keep it alive
[20:19] <mungbean> is it ybynty or rehdat?
[20:19] <bigcalm> ?
[20:19] <mungbean> sorry baby typing
[20:20] <mungbean> ubuntu box or RH?
[20:20] <bigcalm> Your baby has skillz
[20:20] <bigcalm> Ubuntu 12.04
[20:20] <mungbean> on RH there's a script and you have to add the user to .etc.sysysconfig/dropbix##
[20:20] <mungbean> argh
[20:20] <bigcalm> dropbix is the .za version :D
[20:21] <mungbean> its what my dog dreams of
[20:34] <bigcalm> Is there a best server selector for headless systems?
[20:47] <diplo> Evening all
[20:47] <daftykins> heya
[20:47] <diplo> Paid off my credit card at last \o/
[20:47] <daftykins> \o/
[20:47] <daftykins> drinks are on you? ;)
[20:47] <bigcalm> Boooooooooooooz!
[20:47] <diplo> Well it could be next month! Be the first month with no extra than normal debt, only car tax to pay
[20:48] <diplo> Can maybe afford a holiday for me and the boys now
[20:49] <daftykins> :)
[20:49] <daftykins> mmm, just finished a couple of buttered hot crossed buns
[20:49] <diplo> How is everyone
[20:49] <diplo> yuk
[20:49] <diplo> :)
[20:49] <daftykins> :O they're amazing
[20:49] <daftykins> not bad ty, just downloading windows 8.1 public preview for a mooch
[20:50] <daftykins> and yourself?
[20:50] <hamitron> when should final release be out?
[20:50] <diplo> Not to bad thanks, been gardening on and off all weekend.. aching ( got issues as it is )
[20:50] <diplo> I'm not a Win 8 lover, let me know your thoughts
[20:51] <diplo> Guy at work just got a win8 laptop, awful :(
[20:51]  * hamitron loves his win8 laptop
[20:51] <daftykins> hamitron: not a clue, haven't really read much about it
[20:51] <diplo> You're the first person, including a lot of non techies that I've heard who likes it
[20:51] <daftykins> i'd only be happy with the start screen turned off \o/
[20:52] <diplo> and everything running full screen, and looking rubbish when you put it in desktop mode
[20:52] <daftykins> diplo: i prefer to think nobody likes it ;)
[20:52] <diplo> That's the impression I get
[20:52] <hamitron> I'm using mine more like a tablet with a keyboard/stand
[20:53] <hamitron> probably only use the desktop 20% of the time
[20:54] <hamitron> looking forward to the smaller tiles you can have on the start screen
[20:54] <diplo> Any home AV people in here ?
[20:54] <hamitron> main complaint is finger marks on the screen
[20:54] <hamitron> :/
[20:55] <daftykins> sounds like a lack of olephobic coating
[20:55] <shauno> that's always been my irk with touchscreens.  in general, I want to maim anyone who puts fingers on my screen
[20:55] <daftykins> i know a lot of the important features, own a lovely Onkyo AV receiver and enjoy good quality, that's about it?
[20:55] <hamitron> shauno, yeh
[20:55] <shauno> it's not so bad with phones, and to some extent tablets, that you can easily give a quick shimmy on your shirt.  bit awkward with a laptop
[20:56] <diplo> I'm not overly worried about sound, not one of these people that want crystal clear
[20:56] <hamitron> well, I can't see how anyone can use a tablet
[20:56] <hamitron> no keyboard to type stuff!
[20:56] <hamitron> :/
[20:56] <zleap> hamitron, you can for short periods, no good for development or writing OU essays,  i guess
[20:56] <diplo> Main thing i want is 4 hdmi in - 1 out, umm internet radio would be nice and a few other things like that
[20:57] <shauno> it works for tasks that are designed for it.  mine spends most it's life as a pretty amazing xmbc remote, and as a newspaper
[20:57] <hamitron> and a laptop with a touch screen "stands up" and lets you use all fingers for the touch screen ;)
[20:57] <shauno> if you want to treat it as a laptop, get a laptop :)
[20:57] <hamitron> shauno, I did
[20:57] <hamitron> hehe
[20:58] <hamitron> well, a little laptop
[20:58] <hamitron> tbh, I wanted a surface pro, but the cost is just insane
[20:58] <daftykins> diplo: my little onkyo AV receiver does that \o/
[20:58] <diplo> What model ?
[20:59] <diplo> Going to pop to Richer Sounds I reckon, get a looksy at them as well then
[20:59] <daftykins> basically story goes that Best Buy UK was closing down, i found this one cheap on their site and quickly ordered after a mate linked
[20:59] <daftykins> didn't even know the UK had Best Buy O_O
[20:59] <daftykins> it's a TX-NR509
[20:59] <diplo> ta
[21:00] <daftykins> it's low end, so it doesn't do scaling
[21:00] <daftykins> but it does 3D passthrough, ARC and all the good stuff
[21:00] <diplo> I'm not that fussed about all that,  I'd like if it could play my mp3s over the network though :)
[21:01] <daftykins> yeah i've done that with mine
[21:01] <daftykins> i installed a UPnP server, simple little one atop my Windows file server and had it share to it
[21:01] <diplo> So, dnla compliant..
[21:01] <daftykins> but it didn't do gapless playback due to the nature of UPnP
[21:01] <diplo> Does that mean it'll play music via it, what about video ?
[21:01] <daftykins> heh i try to avoid voodoo technologies :>
[21:01] <daftykins> nope no video support
[21:02] <diplo> bah
[21:02] <daftykins> i have an HTPC so i don't mind :)
[21:02] <diplo> So have I, was just hoping for a little more :)
[21:02] <daftykins> surely then you're just doubling up though?
[21:02] <diplo> HTPC can go in my room :)
[21:10] <bigcalm> The following command can be painful if sent to the wrong terminal: sudo shutdown -P now
[21:10] <bigcalm> All of my terminals look the same. Just killed my laptop
[21:11] <bigcalm> Maybe I should have the bash prompt highlight the machine name in a different colour for each machine
[21:12] <daftykins> maybe :)
[21:12] <bigcalm> At least I didn't do it on any of my servers
[21:14] <daftykins> meh, power back on ;)
[21:15] <diplo> http://www.richersounds.com/product/av-receivers/pioneer/vsx527/pion-vsx527-blk
[21:15] <diplo> Loks promising
[21:15] <diplo> looks*
[21:29] <daftykins> ugh 8.1 preview doesn't support local auth
[21:29] <daftykins> have to use ones' MS account
[21:32] <diplo> They want to monitor you!
[21:32] <diplo> :P
[21:32] <daftykins> omg the whole thing is going ribbon menu style D:
[21:32] <daftykins> how disgusting
[21:37]  * diplo doesn't bother downloading
[21:37] <mgdm> I got OUtlook 2011 for the Mac at work the other day, it has the ibbon thing, and it's completely out of place
[21:37] <daftykins> this is just in explorer to start with
[21:38] <daftykins> it doesn't have file, edit, view anymore =|
[21:38] <mgdm> eep
[21:38] <daftykins> so even when you know what you're doing you'll have to hunt for the feature =|
[21:38] <daftykins> ah yeah i look after a client with outlook for mac
[21:39] <daftykins> mgdm: worst part is it speaks another language than Windows Outlook, e.g. my client wanted to import LinkedIn contacts. fair enough, it spits out a .csv file. of course it only works with Windows' Outlook as-is
[21:39] <mgdm> Yeah, i get that with Mac Excel outputting stupid line endings and such
[21:40] <mgdm> in my line of work I end up munging data formats quite a bit - CSV, JSON and the odd bit of XML
[21:41] <daftykins> ah right
[21:42] <mgdm> generally end up writing code to handle it instead :-)
[21:42] <daftykins> i did a test run, backed up her contacts then imported the csv as-was
[21:42] <daftykins> 2,050 of wrong added XD
[21:42] <daftykins> just converted them with Outlook on Windows to get the proper 'native fields' in the end :)
[21:43] <directhex> moop!
[21:44] <daftykins> hey directhex, how do?
[21:44] <directhex> tired and hungry
[21:45] <daftykins> you always did take such pleasantries literally ;)
[21:45] <Laney> prettttttttty pretty good
[21:45]  * mgdm does too
[21:47] <directhex> also, i'm out of rum
[21:47]  * mgdm is not
[21:48] <daftykins> i need to get me some of the 80% Stroh that's at my friends
[21:48] <mgdm> Bah, OWA is crap too
[21:48] <daftykins> i miss the crazy taste :<
[21:48] <daftykins> ugh now there are tickboxes on folders
[21:49] <daftykins> it's officially dumbing down
[21:56]  * mgdm checks tht today is the 30th
[22:04] <daftykins> hrmm, a friend with a Linux server is interested in setting up a web-based system which he can manage file downloads to others via
[22:05] <daftykins> so basically achieve what an FTP server offers but with a web front-end - anyone have any ideas?
[22:06] <mgdm> there are some catastropically insecure ways to do that with Perl and PHP
[22:06] <mgdm> I don't really know any 'good' ways to do it
[22:06] <IRC-Cop> hi
[22:06] <daftykins> nothing pre-made then?
[22:06] <daftykins> sort of like a wordpress of file hosting XD
[22:06] <IRC-Cop> hi folks
[22:06] <daftykins> heya
[22:07] <daftykins> heya for the second time too
[22:07] <IRC-Cop> yall from the UK ?
[22:07] <daftykins> not everyone
[22:07] <daftykins> but some
[22:07] <IRC-Cop> are you?
[22:08] <daftykins> close... Channel Islands
[22:08] <IRC-Cop> aha
[22:08] <IRC-Cop> i got a questio
[22:08] <IRC-Cop> n.
[22:08] <daftykins> fire away, on one line preferably
[22:09] <IRC-Cop> is it true that all english women when they hit their 20s are ugly dogs, with big fat arses from the friday/saturday night kebab munching>
[22:09] <IRC-Cop> fuck off
[22:10] <directhex> ohio? odd behaviour for a yank
[22:10] <daftykins> probably :(
[22:11] <Catalystic> im scotish
[22:11] <daftykins> and can't spell your own nationality? how rare
[22:11] <AlanBell> hmm, tag team trolling still
[22:11] <Catalystic> ~its still in the uk right?
[22:11] <Catalystic> my lawyer invited me here
[22:12] <directhex> some kind of script kiddy botnet, then?
[22:13] <AlanBell> couple of idiots who were kicked from one channel and are now bouncing about looking for other places to annoy me it seems
[22:13] <directhex> hm, bskyb wins against microsoft over whether "skydrive" infringes on the sky tv trademarks
[22:14] <daftykins> AlanBell: ooh personal service
[22:14] <AlanBell> yeah, I am so lucky
[22:14] <daftykins> uh-oh, does that mean Microsoft will have to rename the product in the UK?
[22:15] <directhex> daftykins, either that or say "sod it" and pay a wodge of cash to rupert murdoch
[22:15] <daftykins> sad times
[22:15] <daftykins> i'd actually back MS over that one :(
[22:16] <directhex> me too
[22:16] <directhex> there are worse times where evil vs more evil has happened
[22:16] <directhex> e.g. the daily mail vs tv psychic sally morgan
[22:16] <daftykins> you know, sky charged local customers VAT for years without anyone noticing / being able to resolve it
[22:16] <daftykins> haha that chick that demanded an apology for defamation?
[22:17] <directhex> yeah
[22:17] <directhex> she won, remember. 6 figure sum.
[22:17] <daftykins> hey directhex you got much experience with laptop screen swaps?
[22:18] <directhex> none at all
[22:18] <directhex> that's outside my comfort zone
[22:18] <daftykins> i've had two that haven't worked quite right on this system now, no ebay sellers are intelligent enough to tell me what's going on :(
[22:18] <daftykins> aww you used to love hardware no? ;)
[22:18] <directhex> last time i was inside a laptop i borked it
[22:19] <daftykins> :O
[22:19] <daftykins> they are fickle wenches
[22:57] <daftykins> oh this guy actually wants it to be locked down image hosting/selling
[22:57] <daftykins> as he's a graphic designer
[22:57] <daftykins> any CMS' out there with auth'd download? :>
[23:01] <ali1234> i expect they all have a plugin for it
[23:04] <daftykins> like a 'theme' almost?
[23:07] <ali1234> well it's different in every CMS
[23:07] <ali1234> in wordpress themes can do everything
[23:07] <ali1234> and there's a plugin system too