[08:33] good morning everyone, [08:33] hi brobostigon [08:34] hi MartijnVdS [09:29] dr strangelove film4 11am. [09:33] but.. F1 on BBC One at 12:10 :) [09:33] :) [09:35] thats the nice thing about living where i do, you can almost hear the cars down the road. [10:54] my windows are transparent again \o/ [10:55] IRL windows.. of my house [10:59] MartijnVdS: been doing some housecleaning are we ? [11:00] vroom vroom coverage in 10 mins - receypoos in 1hr [11:19] Good afternoon peeps :) [11:19] afternoonings bigcalm === Matthew is now known as Guest48612 === Guest48612 is now known as SuperMatt [13:05] hmm, wonder when that happened - Grub wants (hd0,msdos2) rather than (hd0,2) now [13:11] penguin42, looks like a change in 2.00 final [13:11] penguin42, presumably to mandate the partition scheme, i.e. the msdos name = MBR partitioning [13:12] directhex: Interesting; I've got this 4 lines I copy from box to box to dual boot DOS on my dads machines and had to change it on the 12.04.2 install I just did for him [13:12] does anyone know what the relevant of putting a decimal after a digit in fortran is? eg, 3.*var, or 1.-var, etc [13:12] obscure question of the week award! [13:13] I know, lmgtfy etc, but google just ignores . as punctuation [13:14] shauno: http://www-classes.usc.edu/engr/ce/108/text/fbk01.htm [13:14] shauno: Doesn't qite help though [13:14] precision seems to be after not before [13:15] actually, it might .. I read that as it's casting it? so '3' is an int but "3." is a float [13:16] yeh that makes sense [13:16] hmm interestingly the same thing works in python 2/5. gives 0.4 as opposed to 2/5 gives 0 [13:16] that'll save me a few 0's :-) [13:17] shauno: Wth are you doing with fortran? debugging spec? [13:17] heh. that seems to be a theme in this code too. the comments run for miles, but the code is terse as hell [13:19] kinda, that's how the algorithm has been provided. (c) 1980 :/ [13:19] "These FORTRAN IV routines have been implemented on a Honeywell-6000 series computer. This machine has a processing speed in the 1MIPS range and a 36 bit floating point word providing 8 significant figures of accuracy in single precision." [13:19] oh god [13:19] the scariest version of "works for me" I've seen in a long time [13:21] shauno: http://www.flickr.com/photos/63085612@N00/111068688/ [13:21] what's the bets I could emulate it on a pi? [13:21] shauno: There is a link on the wikipedia page to an emulator [13:22] shauno: Although interfacing the tape drive and line printer could be challenging [13:22] I'd be surprised if simh doesn't do it [13:22] * penguin42 has done some 36bit machine emulation in the past - it's a real real pain [13:23] but I should be able to pick through this. they're not using anything completely crazy, at least (apparently fortran has support for imaginary numbers) [13:23] shauno: Well so does C++ these days [13:23] shauno: Is that spec2k or 2k6 ? [13:24] couple of years since I've had to wrangle it [13:24] no idea :) just something I heard mentioned, and thought it sounded quite scary [13:24] nod [13:25] imaginary/complex numbers aren't that hard - it's just a pair of values in the end === RadiumCat is now known as RoninCat [13:56] python has support for imaginary numbers also [13:57] http://docs.python.org/3/library/cmath.html === RoninCat is now known as RadiumCat === emma is now known as em [19:27] hey everyone [19:40] Good evening peeps :) [19:40] evening bigcalm [19:42] pip pip [19:42] Ah, life [19:42] Are we all well? [19:43] Yes! [19:43] hows you? [19:43] Older [19:43] oh? [19:43] It's my birthday, don'tcha know? [19:43] happy birthday [19:44] Thanking you [19:44] I did not know. 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[19:47] Oh my [19:48] Thank you! [19:50] * popey wants to play a game. [19:53] How about a nice game of chess? [19:53] ☻ [19:55] :) [19:58] * bigcalm drums fingers [19:59] Wish Stealth Bastard Deluxe works properly on my laptop. Instead the keys are sending the wrong commands [19:59] popey: is that a space invader ? [19:59] This happens on other games as well, like Psyconaughts [20:00] knightwise: you need to use a fixed width font with IRC [20:05] Who was it that was trying to run DropBox from a headless server? [20:05] duuno, buts its straight forward [20:05] Yep: https://www.dropbox.com/install?os=lnx [20:06] Maybe it's recent, but whom ever was asking before seemed to be using a lot of scripts and magic to get it working [20:07] first time I tried you had to install it on a desktop and then transplant the ~/.dropbox folder out once it had linked. last time I tried, it was all handled properly [20:09] bigcalm: It was me, I got it going fairly easily [20:10] bigcalm: That looks like the same instructions that I followed, just from a different website when I found it [20:11] DJones: oh, I thought the page you linked to was a lot more long winded [20:11] I think there probably a lot more waffle in the instructions [20:13] The only thing that looks different is that there isn't instructions to create a dropbox service on that page [20:15] I used the dropbox.py script [20:15] Just ran dropbox.py stop; dropbox.py start [20:16] Logged out, logged back in and it was still running as a service [20:16] Interesting, I might have a look at that in a bit more detail [20:16] it's more surviving reboots that takes some massaging [20:16] Well, running as a detached process [20:17] Ah, fair enough [20:17] I have supervisor running on my server, might use that to keep it alive [20:19] is it ybynty or rehdat? [20:19] ? [20:19] sorry baby typing [20:20] ubuntu box or RH? [20:20] Your baby has skillz [20:20] Ubuntu 12.04 [20:20] on RH there's a script and you have to add the user to .etc.sysysconfig/dropbix## [20:20] argh [20:20] dropbix is the .za version :D [20:21] its what my dog dreams of [20:34] Is there a best server selector for headless systems? === SuperMat1 is now known as SuperMatt [20:47] Evening all [20:47] heya [20:47] Paid off my credit card at last \o/ [20:47] \o/ [20:47] drinks are on you? ;) [20:47] Boooooooooooooz! [20:47] Well it could be next month! Be the first month with no extra than normal debt, only car tax to pay [20:48] Can maybe afford a holiday for me and the boys now [20:49] :) [20:49] mmm, just finished a couple of buttered hot crossed buns [20:49] How is everyone [20:49] yuk [20:49] :) [20:49] :O they're amazing [20:49] not bad ty, just downloading windows 8.1 public preview for a mooch [20:50] and yourself? [20:50] when should final release be out? [20:50] Not to bad thanks, been gardening on and off all weekend.. aching ( got issues as it is ) [20:50] I'm not a Win 8 lover, let me know your thoughts [20:51] Guy at work just got a win8 laptop, awful :( [20:51] * hamitron loves his win8 laptop [20:51] hamitron: not a clue, haven't really read much about it [20:51] You're the first person, including a lot of non techies that I've heard who likes it [20:51] i'd only be happy with the start screen turned off \o/ [20:52] and everything running full screen, and looking rubbish when you put it in desktop mode [20:52] diplo: i prefer to think nobody likes it ;) [20:52] That's the impression I get [20:52] I'm using mine more like a tablet with a keyboard/stand [20:53] probably only use the desktop 20% of the time [20:54] looking forward to the smaller tiles you can have on the start screen [20:54] Any home AV people in here ? [20:54] main complaint is finger marks on the screen [20:54] :/ [20:55] sounds like a lack of olephobic coating [20:55] that's always been my irk with touchscreens. in general, I want to maim anyone who puts fingers on my screen [20:55] i know a lot of the important features, own a lovely Onkyo AV receiver and enjoy good quality, that's about it? [20:55] shauno, yeh [20:55] it's not so bad with phones, and to some extent tablets, that you can easily give a quick shimmy on your shirt. bit awkward with a laptop [20:56] I'm not overly worried about sound, not one of these people that want crystal clear [20:56] well, I can't see how anyone can use a tablet [20:56] no keyboard to type stuff! [20:56] :/ [20:56] hamitron, you can for short periods, no good for development or writing OU essays, i guess [20:56] Main thing i want is 4 hdmi in - 1 out, umm internet radio would be nice and a few other things like that [20:57] it works for tasks that are designed for it. mine spends most it's life as a pretty amazing xmbc remote, and as a newspaper [20:57] and a laptop with a touch screen "stands up" and lets you use all fingers for the touch screen ;) [20:57] if you want to treat it as a laptop, get a laptop :) [20:57] shauno, I did [20:57] hehe [20:58] well, a little laptop [20:58] tbh, I wanted a surface pro, but the cost is just insane [20:58] diplo: my little onkyo AV receiver does that \o/ [20:58] What model ? [20:59] Going to pop to Richer Sounds I reckon, get a looksy at them as well then [20:59] basically story goes that Best Buy UK was closing down, i found this one cheap on their site and quickly ordered after a mate linked [20:59] didn't even know the UK had Best Buy O_O [20:59] it's a TX-NR509 [20:59] ta [21:00] it's low end, so it doesn't do scaling [21:00] but it does 3D passthrough, ARC and all the good stuff [21:00] I'm not that fussed about all that, I'd like if it could play my mp3s over the network though :) [21:01] yeah i've done that with mine [21:01] i installed a UPnP server, simple little one atop my Windows file server and had it share to it [21:01] So, dnla compliant.. [21:01] but it didn't do gapless playback due to the nature of UPnP [21:01] Does that mean it'll play music via it, what about video ? [21:01] heh i try to avoid voodoo technologies :> [21:01] nope no video support [21:02] bah [21:02] i have an HTPC so i don't mind :) [21:02] So have I, was just hoping for a little more :) [21:02] surely then you're just doubling up though? [21:02] HTPC can go in my room :) [21:10] The following command can be painful if sent to the wrong terminal: sudo shutdown -P now [21:10] All of my terminals look the same. Just killed my laptop [21:11] Maybe I should have the bash prompt highlight the machine name in a different colour for each machine [21:12] maybe :) [21:12] At least I didn't do it on any of my servers [21:14] meh, power back on ;) [21:15] http://www.richersounds.com/product/av-receivers/pioneer/vsx527/pion-vsx527-blk [21:15] Loks promising [21:15] looks* [21:29] ugh 8.1 preview doesn't support local auth [21:29] have to use ones' MS account [21:32] They want to monitor you! [21:32] :P [21:32] omg the whole thing is going ribbon menu style D: [21:32] how disgusting [21:37] * diplo doesn't bother downloading [21:37] I got OUtlook 2011 for the Mac at work the other day, it has the ibbon thing, and it's completely out of place [21:37] this is just in explorer to start with [21:38] it doesn't have file, edit, view anymore =| [21:38] eep [21:38] so even when you know what you're doing you'll have to hunt for the feature =| [21:38] ah yeah i look after a client with outlook for mac [21:39] mgdm: worst part is it speaks another language than Windows Outlook, e.g. my client wanted to import LinkedIn contacts. fair enough, it spits out a .csv file. of course it only works with Windows' Outlook as-is [21:39] Yeah, i get that with Mac Excel outputting stupid line endings and such [21:40] in my line of work I end up munging data formats quite a bit - CSV, JSON and the odd bit of XML [21:41] ah right [21:42] generally end up writing code to handle it instead :-) [21:42] i did a test run, backed up her contacts then imported the csv as-was [21:42] 2,050 of wrong added XD [21:42] just converted them with Outlook on Windows to get the proper 'native fields' in the end :) [21:43] moop! [21:44] hey directhex, how do? [21:44] tired and hungry [21:45] you always did take such pleasantries literally ;) [21:45] prettttttttty pretty good [21:45] * mgdm does too [21:47] also, i'm out of rum [21:47] * mgdm is not [21:48] i need to get me some of the 80% Stroh that's at my friends [21:48] Bah, OWA is crap too [21:48] i miss the crazy taste :< [21:48] ugh now there are tickboxes on folders [21:49] it's officially dumbing down [21:56] * mgdm checks tht today is the 30th [22:04] hrmm, a friend with a Linux server is interested in setting up a web-based system which he can manage file downloads to others via [22:05] so basically achieve what an FTP server offers but with a web front-end - anyone have any ideas? [22:06] there are some catastropically insecure ways to do that with Perl and PHP [22:06] I don't really know any 'good' ways to do it [22:06] hi [22:06] nothing pre-made then? [22:06] sort of like a wordpress of file hosting XD [22:06] hi folks [22:06] heya [22:07] heya for the second time too [22:07] yall from the UK ? [22:07] not everyone [22:07] but some [22:07] are you? [22:08] close... Channel Islands [22:08] aha [22:08] i got a questio [22:08] n. [22:08] fire away, on one line preferably [22:09] is it true that all english women when they hit their 20s are ugly dogs, with big fat arses from the friday/saturday night kebab munching> [22:09] fuck off [22:10] ohio? odd behaviour for a yank [22:10] probably :( [22:11] im scotish [22:11] and can't spell your own nationality? how rare [22:11] hmm, tag team trolling still [22:11] ~its still in the uk right? [22:11] my lawyer invited me here [22:12] some kind of script kiddy botnet, then? [22:13] couple of idiots who were kicked from one channel and are now bouncing about looking for other places to annoy me it seems [22:13] hm, bskyb wins against microsoft over whether "skydrive" infringes on the sky tv trademarks [22:14] AlanBell: ooh personal service [22:14] yeah, I am so lucky [22:14] uh-oh, does that mean Microsoft will have to rename the product in the UK? [22:15] daftykins, either that or say "sod it" and pay a wodge of cash to rupert murdoch [22:15] sad times [22:15] i'd actually back MS over that one :( [22:16] me too [22:16] there are worse times where evil vs more evil has happened [22:16] e.g. the daily mail vs tv psychic sally morgan [22:16] you know, sky charged local customers VAT for years without anyone noticing / being able to resolve it [22:16] haha that chick that demanded an apology for defamation? [22:17] yeah [22:17] she won, remember. 6 figure sum. [22:17] hey directhex you got much experience with laptop screen swaps? [22:18] none at all [22:18] that's outside my comfort zone [22:18] i've had two that haven't worked quite right on this system now, no ebay sellers are intelligent enough to tell me what's going on :( [22:18] aww you used to love hardware no? ;) [22:18] last time i was inside a laptop i borked it [22:19] :O [22:19] they are fickle wenches [22:57] oh this guy actually wants it to be locked down image hosting/selling [22:57] as he's a graphic designer [22:57] any CMS' out there with auth'd download? :> [23:01] i expect they all have a plugin for it [23:04] like a 'theme' almost? [23:07] well it's different in every CMS [23:07] in wordpress themes can do everything [23:07] and there's a plugin system too