[06:49] <Mukondeleli> hi jmagunduni 
[08:11] <Kilos> morning all
[08:12] <theblazehen> hi Kilos 
[08:13] <Kilos> hows theblazehen ?
[08:13] <theblazehen> good and you?
[08:14] <Kilos> good ty
[09:40] <trender> yo yo
[15:27] <inetpro> Kilos: and why you so quiet today?
[15:27] <inetpro> good afternoon
[15:28] <Kilos> hi inetpro no good head day but also trying to find  how the tethering thing works
[15:28] <Kilos> hi neo31 and others
[15:29] <inetpro> eish
[15:29] <inetpro> sorry oom
[15:29] <Kilos> sis got a tab with no 3g so we trying to use my old nokia n900 i think it is
[15:30] <inetpro> tethering is really simple, all you need is a device that can do it
[15:30] <Kilos> dis die lewe maar nou ja
[15:30] <inetpro> time to get a cheap android phone man
[15:30] <Kilos> i find the wireless stuff on the fone but cant see tethering anywhere
[15:31] <Kilos> hopefully i get a wireless card for the pc tuesday if she goes out
[15:31] <Kilos> then will try tether the tablet and the pc
[15:31] <inetpro> Kilos: nee man
[15:32] <Kilos> wat nou
[15:33] <inetpro> you should get a 2nd hand 3g wireless router
[15:33] <inetpro> try
[15:33] <inetpro> many people must have upgraded already
[15:33] <inetpro> especially those with uncapped lite from MTN
[15:34] <inetpro> that was a 2 year contract with a modem for free
[15:34] <Kilos> if the old nokia can do wifi surely the tablet should see it and vice versa
[15:35] <inetpro> and a renewed contract includes another better router
[15:35] <inetpro> Kilos: nope
[15:35] <Kilos> oh
[15:35] <inetpro> Kilos: those nokias were very dumb
[15:36] <inetpro> Kilos: unless it was one of those clever smartphones like the fly had 
[15:36] <Kilos> i can get a wireless card for 250 then my pc can also do wireless
[15:36] <Kilos> oh no its old man
[15:37] <Kilos> first fones that opened with querty keypad i think
[15:37] <inetpro> Kilos: but here's what I'm saying, a 3g router can handle both cable and wireless
[15:37] <Kilos> ya but what about my pc then
[15:37] <inetpro> I mean a proper 3g router
[15:38] <inetpro> your pc can connect to it via cable
[15:38] <Kilos> oh
[15:38] <inetpro> you must get a decent 3g router that is like a switch
[15:38] <inetpro> and includes wireless
[15:39] <Kilos> i think i asked here before what they cost and someone said about 1k
[15:39] <inetpro> the new ones yes
[15:39] <Kilos> thats too much for sis to see her mail and get some books
[15:40] <inetpro> but hence me saying, we must try find someone who has renewed his contract and got a new one
[15:40] <Kilos> oh
[15:40] <inetpro> those things will keep working for many years
[15:41] <inetpro> the new ones are faster, but
[15:41] <inetpro> you really don't need faster
[15:41] <Kilos> no
[15:41] <inetpro> the faster it goes the more data it eats for breakfast
[15:41] <Kilos> hi adeebnqo 
[15:41] <adeebnqo> hey
[15:42] <inetpro> hi adeebnqo
[15:43] <adeebnqo> lol this feels like that awkward moment when yu enter a room and everyone is lookin' at u
[15:43] <Kilos> hehe welcome to ubuntu-za
[15:44] <Kilos> this is the za community linux/ubuntu help channel
[15:44] <Kilos> if you need help just state what the prob is
[15:44]  * inetpro turning around to look at adeebnqo again
[15:44] <Kilos> lol
[15:46] <inetpro> adeebnqo: you've come to the right place, I think
[15:47] <Kilos> so inetpro how come fone and tablet dont see each other? is wifi wifi
[15:47] <Kilos> ot they talk different languages
[15:47] <adeebnqo> :) I come here once in a while -- I must say, this is the first time I've seen any activity
[15:47] <inetpro> hmm... 
[15:48] <Kilos> hehe adeebnqo the guys all work. and help when they have time
[15:48] <Kilos> but im here most of the time for basic stuffs
[15:50] <inetpro> Kilos: well you always need one network resource to act as a wifi access point
[15:50] <inetpro> and access point is tyocally called a hotspot
[15:51] <inetpro> typically
[15:51] <Kilos> so if i put an adapter in pc it can be a hotspot for her
[15:52] <Kilos> all modern software is already in ubuntu surely
[15:52] <inetpro> Kilos: if you get the right adapter I guess yes
[15:52] <Kilos> uh oh
[15:52] <Kilos> are they like graphics cards
[15:54] <inetpro> Kilos: I've never used an adapter directly like that but I'm guessing there should be adapters that you can plug into your usb port
[15:54] <Kilos> ya and the one im after goes in pci socket
[15:55] <Kilos> with little aerial outside
[15:55] <inetpro> Kilos: where do you find that?
[15:55] <Kilos> you lappy peeps forget desktops got lotsa place for adapters
[15:56] <adeebnqo> Kilos : since you're here now. I have a problem, I'm trying to install "af" for appfrog --- I'm behind a proxy. The cmd `sudo gem install -p http:localhost:3128 af` spits out the ff error : http://pastebay.net/1244447
[15:56] <Kilos> the pc shop off van der hoff 
[15:56] <adeebnqo> I also ran across this https://github.com/rubygems/rubygems/issues/557 , any ideas?
[15:56] <inetpro> Kilos: you have a model name/number ?
[15:56] <adeebnqo> I should mention, I use cntlm
[15:57] <Kilos> nope inetpro 
[15:58] <Kilos> adeebnqo, hang here one of the knowledgable guys will help when they get a chance
[15:58] <Kilos> adeebnqo, is that in the repos?
[15:59] <inetpro> adeebnqo: what is af?
[16:00] <Kilos> oh wait
[16:01] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install gem
[16:01] <inetpro> adeebnqo: try the following: 
[16:01] <inetpro> export http_proxy=http://localhost:3128
[16:01] <Kilos> gem is in the repos
[16:02] <inetpro> Kilos: I think he has gem installed already
[16:02] <Kilos> sudo gem install -p dont that need apt-get or aptitude
[16:04] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[16:04] <Kilos> oh my
[16:05] <inetpro> Kilos: a gem is a packaged Ruby application or library
[16:06] <inetpro> Kilos: a gem is a packaged Ruby application or library
[16:06] <Kilos> i see gem in synaptic so thought it would need an apt command from cli
[16:06] <Kilos> Gem is a loadable library for puredata, which adds OpenGL graphics rendering
[16:06] <Kilos> and animation to Pd.  Pd is a graphical programming language and computer
[16:06] <Kilos> music system.
[16:07] <Kilos> why you repeated that inetpro ?
[16:07] <inetpro> oops... sorry for the duplicate
[16:07] <Kilos> lol
[16:07]  * inetpro 's internet is unstable all of a sudden
[16:07] <Kilos> i thought you were trying to prove a point
[16:08] <Kilos> hehe
[16:08] <Kilos> hi Cantide 
[16:08] <Cantide> hello :)
[16:08] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[16:12] <inetpro> adeebnqo: according to documentation the following syntax should work as well
[16:12] <inetpro> gem install --http-proxy http://COMPANY.PROXY.ADDRESS $gem_name
[16:13] <adeebnqo> tried that and it didnt work
[16:16] <inetpro> adeebnqo: obviously you should have a working proxy at http://localhost listening on port 3128 with access to the internet
[16:19] <adeebnqo> I do, i give up. 
[16:22] <inetpro> adeebnqo: you're running on Ubuntu?
[16:22] <adeebnqo> Xubuntu
[16:23] <inetpro> why do you have your proxy on localhost?
[16:25] <adeebnqo> as opposed to do doin' what?
[16:27] <adeebnqo> I'm a bit confused by yur qn
[16:27] <inetpro> if you have a proxy on your local machine then why need a proxy at all?
[16:30] <inetpro> why are you behind a proxy? Surely if you're inside a company network you don't need a proxy server on localhost
[16:31] <adeebnqo> oh no, I use cntlm. the real proxy configuration is in some file -- cntlm requires me to use localhost:3128 and it handles everything else
[16:33] <inetpro> ahh sounds interesting, so your cntlm is talking to a upstream proxy?
[16:34] <inetpro> s/upstream/parent/
[16:35] <adeebnqo> yup -- I'm installing the gem manually now. guess I have to bare the burden of trying to satisfy dependecies myself 
[16:39] <adeebnqo> the list isn;t that long : http://pastebay.net/1244458
[16:41] <Kilos> stupid question wont synaptic or aptitude solve them auto matically the you configure it after?
[16:42] <inetpro> adeebnqo: put the following line in a file /etc/apt/apt.conf
[16:42] <inetpro> Acquire::http::Proxy "http://localhost:3128";
[16:43] <inetpro> then just use apt-get or aptitude for your installations
[16:44] <inetpro> or even synaptic for that matter
[16:46] <adeebnqo> :) I've already downloaded and installed a bunch of the gems -- I afraid what yu just suggested might work, I don't wanna do it. 
[16:47] <Kilos> hehe
[16:50] <adeebnqo> yu guys got github accounts?
[16:57] <superfly> hi Kilos
[16:57] <Kilos> at times you gotta wait long for replies adeebnqo guys have families to sort as well
[17:19] <inetpro> adeebnqo: those dependencies look like normal packages and not like gems
[17:20] <adeebnqo> i'm a ruby noob:), i wouldnt know the diffrnc. I managed to install it though -- we up and running now
[17:21] <Kilos> well done
[17:22] <inetpro> Kilos: looks like every 8ta user is trying to use as much data as possible tonight
[17:22] <Kilos> lol
[17:22] <Kilos> mine xpires end of next month
[17:23] <Kilos> my connection has been good today
[17:23] <inetpro> ek sukkel
[17:25] <Kilos> ai!
[17:36] <Kilos> inetpro, did you read what 8ta replied to my queries
[17:37] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[17:38] <Kilos> they upgraded my tower to 10m and now gonna do a firmware upgrade to 30m to the tower
[17:39] <Kilos> TM-SOC <Tm-soc@8ta.com> mail and query why yours is so bad
[17:39] <Kilos> after my first mail things got better again
[17:40] <Kilos> that was after first mail
[17:40] <Kilos> Customer location:-25.7126, 28.04707. 
[17:40] <Kilos> From CHR trace, customer is served with stable and strong signal from site (NER_Moot_Chickens), Cell ID=12574, RSCP -70, Ec/No -4, TP=3. 
[17:40] <Kilos> Per description of problem that indicates a reference to previous incident 3382229, site has been upgraded, but there is iub limitation found on site (12mb). Site needs iub upgrade. 
[17:41] <Kilos> then i asked is it a hardware upgrade needed and they replied
[17:41] <Kilos> This will be a firmware to the tower upgrade .
[17:41] <Kilos> Once this is done , feedback will be provided to you.
[17:41] <Kilos> inetpro, ^^
[17:42] <Kilos> mine is lekker again
[17:42] <inetpro> Kilos: oh cool
[17:43] <Kilos> if you dont query they think you are happy with the connection
[17:56] <inetpro> Kilos: it's just this evening
[17:56] <inetpro> other days I have been very stable
[17:56] <Kilos> ok
[17:56] <Kilos> but slow
[17:56] <inetpro> I just tweaked my antenna cable a bit, think it might have been a bit loose
[17:57] <Kilos> what antenna cable?
[17:57] <Kilos> you using an outside antenna
[17:58] <inetpro> Kilos: I have a high-gain antenna on the roof
[17:58] <Kilos> greta
[17:58] <Kilos> great as well
[17:58] <inetpro> without it my connection is just about useless
[17:59] <Kilos> actually telkom has some wifi hotspots up there
[17:59] <inetpro> up there?
[17:59] <Kilos> theresapark for one
[18:00] <Kilos> and im sure i saw more closer to the north
[18:00] <inetpro> those are all small little networks around the shops
[18:00] <Kilos> was lookinf where id have to look for one
[18:00] <inetpro> typically around McDonalds and such places
[18:01] <Kilos> ya arent they faster than 3g anyway
[18:01] <Kilos> and you get free wifi everytime you top up
[18:01] <Kilos> mine is over 10 gig already
[18:01] <inetpro> depends what they connect to
[18:01] <Kilos> isnt telkom telkom
[18:02] <Kilos> i googled telkom wifi hotspots
[18:02] <Kilos> or will you still need to get a password from them park peeps
[18:03] <Kilos> adeebnqo, wb
[18:03] <Kilos> you must stay here. you sound clued up
[18:03] <adeebnqo> lol I'll do that
[18:04] <Kilos> not much work helping noobs ubuntu is getting too good
[18:04] <Kilos> where are you adeebnqo ? if i may ask
[18:04] <Kilos> we are spread all over
[18:04] <adeebnqo> rosebank
[18:04] <adeebnqo> ---cpt
[18:05] <Kilos> are there are lotsa guys there
[18:05] <Kilos> ah not are
[18:05] <adeebnqo> guys from uct are here -- so i'd say yes
[18:06] <Kilos> xubuntu comes with xchat as default hey
[18:06] <Kilos> there are more. the fly is there too
[18:07] <Kilos> he is our python expert
[18:07] <adeebnqo> pidgin is better -- sorta brings all my accounts together. facebook, mxit, etc
[18:07] <Kilos> lol i use pidgin as well but for other im peeps
[18:07] <Kilos> xchat here
[18:08] <Kilos> i get lost when everything is in pidgin
[18:09] <Kilos> hmm... peer got him
[18:19] <Kilos> yo Trixar_za 
[18:23] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[18:27] <Kilos> hmm... clever peeps we got sisters tablet connected to my pc with a usb cable what do i do to see it?
[18:33] <Kilos> like how do i tell it to share my 3g
[18:36] <Kilos> lsusb shows-- Bus 001 Device 004: ID 18d1:0003 Google Inc. 
[18:36] <Kilos> is that it?
[18:37] <Kilos> goooosie ping
[18:48] <Kilos> ok mtp-tools and mtpfs installing
[19:18] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:27] <inetpro> Kilos: ai!
[19:27] <Kilos> ai! what
[19:27] <Kilos> i can see the tablet now but cant get the tablet to share my 3g
[19:28] <inetpro> wat gaan jy maak met mtp-tools?
[19:28] <inetpro> oh, daai is net vir file sharing
[19:28] <inetpro> wel, sovêr ek dit verstaan
[19:29] <Kilos> ja ek dink dis nodig
[19:29] <inetpro> tegnies is internet ook maar net file sharing, maar nouja wel
[19:29] <Kilos> sonder daai twee goed het pc nie die tablet gesien nie
[19:30] <inetpro> net file sharing op ander maniere 
[19:30] <Kilos> tegnies onthou ek hoe ek gesukkel het met ssh destyds
[19:31] <Kilos> die android goed is heel nuut vir my
[19:31] <inetpro> ongelukkig sal ek nie daarmee kan help nie
[19:31] <Kilos> maar kan darem boeke aflaai en sleep/drop hulle ne tablet
[19:31] <inetpro> android tethering is very very simple
[19:32] <Kilos> all the links i find are to share to tablets 3g
[19:32] <Kilos> as usual im back to front
[19:38]  * Kilos will sleep on this prob. you guys may join in on the nightmare
[19:38] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:52] <MeesterArend> Hey all
[19:52] <MeesterArend> Just checking to see who're still here :-D
[19:59] <superfly> hi MeesterArend