[02:23] Well, it looks like nobody reviewed my packages:( [02:23] Don't upload simon, but at least rekonq and libkfbapi... [05:28] 4.10.4 is released to raring-updates [05:48] ScottK, \o/ [06:02] * smartboyhw goes and makes the announcement for 4.10.4 [06:03] Er, we haven't backported it to quantal/precise right? Or we shall just backport for 4.10.5 instead? [06:06] fyi: a Kubuntu user confirmed that KWin+Wayland is working with the packages in saucy - good job [06:07] mgraesslin, great:) [06:07] there was only a small problem I had not considered in my instructions: distributions without systemd [06:10] eh [06:10] soee, 4.10.4 is now in raring-updates. [06:11] :) [06:11] Heck, I should change the announcement instead:P [06:15] https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.10.4 [06:15] Can someone check it, or is there another way to describe it's uploaded to raring-updates? [06:16] ScottK, ^ [06:16] yofel, ^ [06:18] Completed QA testing in the proposed changes repository and has been released for all users in raring-updates. [06:18] * ScottK can't find the password and is too tired to look. [06:18] Good night. [06:18] ............................... [06:23] smartboyhw: I can check if you paste somewhere? [06:23] * valorie has no access to the website keys [06:24] valorie, ,,,,,s [06:24] You don't have? :O [06:24] nope, I got sort of out of website admin for a few years [06:24] just learning how to ssh again, etc. [06:25] valorie, meh [06:25] I used to have websites when I did genealogy [06:25] paste.kde.org/786062 valorie [06:25] can you just paste into paste.kde.org and give it a password? [06:25] ok [06:25] valorie, password? Really? [06:25] :P [06:26] * smartboyhw doesn't think it's seriously confidential enough to password it [06:26] ok [06:26] I would make this a full sentence: Bugs in the software to KDE. [06:26] valorie, well, it has been it for ages. [06:26] like: Please report bugs... [06:26] ok [06:26] that's ok then [06:27] That's actually the original announcement for 4.10.4. I just changed the raring bits. [06:27] heh [06:27] that's smart use of your time [06:27] valorie, ofc :P [06:27] valorie, you think it's good to publish? [06:28] yes [06:28] * smartboyhw publishes [06:28] DONE [06:28] awesome [06:29] y'all worked really hard on all this [06:29] and this is a hard time of the year, with end of school, etc. [06:31] valorie, not for me. I came back to Kubuntu packaging after my exams (and the results are excellent, so...) [06:32] excellent [06:32] I'm sorry to hear that you'll miss Akademy this year, though [06:32] valorie, I think i will miss it till 18:P [06:32] touring around the UK should be all kinds of fun, though [06:33] valorie, not just touring. Don't forget, we are a "study" tour. [06:33] where do you plan to go to school? [06:33] sure [06:33] I think traveling is educational even with no 'lessons' added [06:35] valorie, we DO have lessons. Meh [06:35] oh, well [06:36] I'm the type of person who visits museums for fun, and reads textbooks [06:36] so learning to me IS fun [06:37] .... [06:38] give a few years and you will realize that, too [06:39] Yeah, we don't get it until university or latter stages. [06:39] For secondary students, NOT. :P [06:40] * mgraesslin is sure you are already learning for the fun of it [06:40] * mgraesslin remembers a blog post about learning packaging stuff for example [06:41] mgraesslin, oh? [06:42] I enjoyed my time in college, even working for grades [06:42] maybe I'm just weird [06:42] "I hate symbols -> I love symbols" [06:43] lol [06:43] mgraesslin, LOL LOL LOL LOL [06:43] That one:P [06:43] mgraesslin: coming to Akademy? [06:44] valorie: given that I have a talk scheduled, I guess I'm expected to board the plane ;-) [06:44] haha! [06:44] now that I think of it, I did see your name [06:44] so I'll see you once again [06:44] I also plan to attend part of the Kubuntu developer summit [06:44] GREAT [06:45] gosh, I wonder what we'll discuss? [06:45] yeah - the large KDE family reunion - once a year in Europe [06:45] :-) [06:45] that's how it feels, for sure [06:45] valorie, how to break down Mir? [06:46] smartboyhw: let's be positive: how to transit to Wayland [06:46] I'll make a target, call it MIR and pin it to Martin's back~ [06:46] yes, let's be positive [06:47] the Mir discussions/flamewars are fun and all [06:47] not really [06:47] but beginning to get a bit tedious [06:47] I find it very exhausting [06:47] well, you are on the front line [06:47] and I don't want to be [06:47] and damn it, I don't want there to be a war [06:47] at all [06:47] fanbois [06:48] grrr [06:48] * smartboyhw agrres with mgraesslin and valorie [06:48] Yeah, better if you guys discuss the transit to Wayland. [06:48] Holy, it's starting to rain big here. [06:48] well I hope that at least we don't get that much from Canonical any more - I asked to respect our decision and to not try to put the blame on us [06:48] We got a tropical cyclone coming in (fortunately, not worse than originally forecasted) [06:49] mgraesslin: indeed [06:49] they can do as they like, even if i disagree that that's a good direction [06:49] I even see their reasoning [06:49] exactly - I don't question their decision [06:49] so they should not question our decision [06:49] but I wish they had more of an open mind about the ramifications [06:50] they seem to have tunnel vision so far [06:50] not healthy [06:51] mgraesslin, valorie I'm going to be teaching a Ubuntu IRC Classroom session at 13:00 UTC. :P [06:51] nice [06:51] smartboyhw: cool, what's the topic? [06:52] I love seeing us kub. people doing straightline ubuntu stuff [06:52] mgraesslin, valorie "Using your preferred testing system with Test Cases" [06:52] it takes all the flavors, etc. [06:52] Basically, it is a introduction to running through testing an ISO. [06:52] cool [06:52] Fortunately, unlike last time, I prepared slideshows:) [06:53] we need a bit more help with that [06:53] It was difficult to teach without screenshots... [06:53] unfortunately I'll be asleep then [06:53] valorie, yeah:( === smartboyhw changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | https://trello.com/kubuntu | https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas 4.10.90 saucy in archive, raring in beta ppa | 4.10.5 ninjas/raring WIP | 4.10.4 in raring-updates | 13.10 Alpha 1 released | 13.10 milestoned bugs tagged Kubuntu http://goo.gl/vHRjj [07:24] morning [07:34] Hey shadeslayer :) [07:34] hi [07:35] moin [07:35] Hello yofel [07:35] * smartboyhw wonders can yofel and shadeslayer review rekonq [07:36] slightly busy at the moment with something else [07:37] can do after that if it hasn't been looked at by then [07:37] same [07:37] ooh, digikam built on armhf \o/ [07:37] Oh alright. [07:37] yofel, \o/ [07:37] suprisingly trivial solution :D [07:37] yofel, :D [07:37] 4.10.4 is in raring-updates BTW yofel [07:38] saw it [07:38] yofel, shadeslayer 'm going to be teaching a Ubuntu IRC Classroom session at 13:00 UTC. :P [07:38] s/'m/I'm/ [07:38] smartboyhw meant: "yofel, shadeslayer I'm going to be teaching a Ubuntu IRC Classroom session at 13:00 UTC. :P" [07:38] why did that list get longer since the last time I looked ? -.- [07:38] http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/#kubuntu [07:38] -.- [07:39] Damn, it's symbols again. [07:39] oh right, nobody fixed okteta [07:39] For okteta [07:39] * smartboyhw fixes [07:40] yofel, actually what happened is that I tried to fix [07:40] I know [07:40] All archs have symbols problems, I fed each single log into pkgkde-symbolshelper, and it didn't work out. [07:40] symbols are weird, just fix it again [07:40] yofel, AGAIN!? [07:40] though I need to check what happened to all those removed symbols [07:40] unless someone removed the lib for those [07:42] yofel, yeah [07:43] (I'm assuming that because there's no MISSING lines for those) [07:49] Backk. [07:53] looking at rekonq noq [07:53] *now [07:54] shadeslayer, great:) [07:54] Actually, it's just a small fix. [07:54] 2.3.2 that is. [07:54] smartboyhw: where is this fix? [07:54] shadeslayer, I mean the 2.3.1 -> 2.3.2 fix. [07:55] shadeslayer, https://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/rekonq/2.0/rekonq-2.3.2.tar.bz2?r=https%3A%2F%2Fsourceforge.net%2Fprojects%2Frekonq%2F&ts=1372588070&use_mirror=kent [07:55] right, but I don't see a dsc here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rekonq/+bug/1196237 [07:55] http://adjamblog.wordpress.com/2013/06/30/rekonq-2-3-2-fixing-the-fixes/ [07:55] Launchpad bug 1196237 in rekonq (Ubuntu) "Please update rekonq to 2.3.2" [Undecided,In progress] [07:55] shadeslayer, right, that's because I haven't given you one, it's in my main PPA. [07:55] I posted the link thrice, but [07:56] shadeslayer, https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/ppa/+files/rekonq_2.3.2-0ubuntu1.dsc [07:56] * shadeslayer falls off his chair [07:56] shadeslayer, !? [07:56] https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw [07:56] shadeslayer, what? [07:56] so many associations [07:56] shadeslayer, oops sorry;P [07:56] * smartboyhw kicks shadeslayer out of his chair again. [07:56] :P [07:57] that's a lotta lil symbols on that there page [07:57] valorie, lil? [07:57] wee symbols [07:57] * valorie was being silly [07:57] loads of wee symbols [07:57] lil=little [07:57] valorie, ah [07:58] * valorie is planning travel too and from akademy [07:58] or at least noting the options [07:58] valorie, where do you live actually? [07:59] ooooh, smartboyhw is a member of the X team. wayland maintainer found ;P [07:59] yofel, actually, I joined for bug triaging (never did it though) [07:59] heh [07:59] yofel, heh [07:59] south of Seattle Washington, USA [07:59] I fly out on the 4th [07:59] valorie, any direct flights to Barcelona or Madrid from Seattle/ [08:00] ? [08:00] nope [08:00] * shadeslayer is waiting for his visa [08:00] shadeslayer, LOL [08:00] ScottK: coming to Akademy? [08:00] Still waiting? [08:00] I'm flying to NY, and spending a few days with my son in Connecticut [08:00] hoping to see the fireworks in NYC [08:00] smartboyhw: will probably get it in a couple of days [08:00] expecting it by the 2nd / 3rd [08:00] ScottK said he can't afford the time [08:00] :( [08:00] valorie, ah, NY's easier [08:00] :( [08:01] then I'm spending 2 days in Madrid [08:01] :( [08:01] valorie, great. [08:01] Prado! [08:01] so jetlag should be gone for akademy [08:01] coming back will be brutal though [08:01] valorie, unfortunately you can't watch Real Madrid or Barcelona FC (or rather, buying LV bags?:P) [08:02] art over football! [08:02] valorie, art!?!? [08:02] * smartboyhw hates art [08:02] the Prado is one of the world's leading museums [08:02] I can't wait to see it [08:02] what a privilege [08:02] valorie, eh [08:03] smartboyhw: if you saw real art, you would feel the impact [08:03] * smartboyhw likes the Louvre in Paris better. [08:03] reproductions and such aren't the same [08:03] valorie, Art is my WORST subject at school. [08:03] I've had the pleasure of spending a day in the Louvre [08:03] In contrast, Computer Literacy is my best subject at school. [08:03] I could have spent three [08:04] well, I'm an artist along with my other interests [08:04] I make amazing paper [08:05] and i'm pretty computer literate [08:06] not so much in programming languages though [08:06] valorie, me too. But I've got a long way to learn programming:P [08:07] I've been online longer than you've been alive! [08:07] valorie, I know. [08:07] And I won't argue with you on ages. [08:09] smartboyhw: looks good, uploading [08:10] shadeslayer, thanks. [08:11] no argument; you are so much smarter than I was, that I'm blown away [08:11] shadeslayer, maybe review libkfbapi in the same PPA also? [08:12] ack [08:12] after I hung out in this channel for a month or two and figured out that kubuntu was made by teenagers, I just couldn't believe it [08:12] Don't touch simon, I haven't done the changes upstream wanted [08:12] was going to be my next question :) [08:12] valorie, well wait a minute, "teenagers" in your mind = ? age? [08:12] people in their teens ? :P [08:12] teens are say, 12-20 [08:13] some might have aged into their 20s [08:13] valorie, OK, I'm a teen for sure but Riddell or ScottK isn't really a "TEEN" right? [08:13] I guess Riddell is the father figure, and ScottK and I are the grandparents [08:13] Eh, simon has a LOT of --list-missing files [08:14] valorie, sure, I'm the grandchild:P [08:14] <3 [08:14] and i'm the linuxgrandma! [08:16] valorie, yeah, we know that:) [08:16] ej [08:16] *eh [08:16] smartboyhw: libkfbapi-1.0/debian/libkgapi0-dbg [08:16] ??? [08:16] shadeslayer, !? [08:16] :O [08:17] shadeslayer, hmm, that thing shouldn't BE there.... [08:17] why that is super odd [08:17] since wouldn't debuild -S -sa have removed it [08:17] when you uploaded it to lp [08:18] shadeslayer, I only do debuild -S ... [08:18] ;P [08:18] ( when running dh_clean ) [08:18] eh [08:18] what [08:18] And also, that sounds like from libkgapi [08:18] !?!?!?!??!?? [08:18] valorie: please join #plasma, we need a moderator - unpleasant user [08:18] I don't have ops [08:18] mgraesslin, who? [08:18] valorie: just to moderate [08:18] shadeslayer, eh, do I have to re-upload? [08:19] not to kick [08:19] heh yeah, how did that even end up there [08:19] Damn:P [08:19] k [08:19] * smartboyhw re-uploads [08:19] valorie: back log: http://paste.kde.org/786098/ [08:20] shadeslayer, 5 minutes later find the file in my 2buntu ppa [08:20] I'm uploading now, but it takes some time to appear. [08:20] thanks mgraesslin [08:21] smartboyhw: why not use ~ppaX [08:21] shadeslayer, to make the uploader more convenient? [08:21] I mean, I only use ~ppaX when in Kubuntu PPAs. [08:23] valorie: thanks for taking over [08:24] any time [08:26] shadeslayer, https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/2buntu/+files/libkfbapi_1.0-0ubuntu1.dsc [08:26] k [08:27] Does that still have the strange directory? [08:27] will check in a moment [08:28] eh [08:28] smartboyhw: why is the md5sum for the rekonq tar I got from sf and the one I got from lp different? [08:28] oh bah [08:28] sec [08:29] nvm [08:30] ..... [08:31] md5sum'd the wrong tar :) [08:31] shadeslayer, LOL [08:33] smartboyhw: done [08:33] shadeslayer, \o/ [08:33] simon coming in one hour:p [08:33] np [08:33] * shadeslayer starts looking at backporting 4.10.90 for quantal and precise [08:33] shadeslayer, fix 4.10.5 first:) [08:34] shadeslayer, what does a new -dev package should depend on? [08:35] libFOO (= {binary:Version}) [08:35] at the very least ^^ [08:35] shadeslayer, hmm, there's no lib for simon yet... [08:35] This is going to be a big project it seems. [08:35] think about why a -dev package needs shipping for an app [08:36] shadeslayer, why? :P [08:36] exactly, why? [08:36] Because you can't work without it. [08:36] and there is no lib for simon? [08:36] But there's only simon, no libsimon [08:36] libsimon0 [08:36] no [08:37] lib is not necessarily called libsimon :P [08:37] could be called libmymagicpony [08:37] shadeslayer, no lib at all [08:37] Just that. [08:37] W: simon: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libeventsimulation libsimonactions0 libsimonactionsui0 libsimonappcore0 libsimoncontextadapter0 libsimoncontextcoreui0 libsimoncontextdetection0 libsimoncontextui0 libsimonddatabaseaccess0 libsimondialogengine0 libsimondialogengineconfui0 libsimondialogenginegraphicalview0 libsimondialogenginettsview0 libsimondstreamer0 libsimongraphemetophoneme0 libsimoninfo0 libsimonjsonconnector0 libsim [08:37] onlogging0 libsimonmodelcompilation0 libsimonmodelmanagementui0 libsimonmodeltest0 libsimonprogresstracking0 libsimonrecognitioncontrol0 libsimonrecognitionresult0 libsimonrecognizer0 libsimonsampleshare4 libsimonscenariobase0 libsimonscenarios0 libsimonscenarioui0 libsimonsound0 libsimontts0 libsimonuicomponents0 libsimonutils0 libsimonvision0 libsimonwav0 libsimonxml0 libsscdaccess4 libsscobjects0 [08:37] shadeslayer, that's a crisis out there:P ^ [08:37] funsies [08:38] seems like there are a bazillion libs [08:38] all stuffed into simon [08:38] shadeslayer, that's the problem [08:38] * smartboyhw probably should make libsimon0 [08:38] Put everything in it instead:P [08:38] hm [08:38] what do you need to ship the headers for anyway? [08:39] my original question ^^ [08:39] because either leave it like it is or do it properly [08:39] shadeslayer, yofel the question is: The headers aren't even shipped in 0.4.0... [08:39] latter might not be possible if I see stuff like libeventsimulation [08:39] packaging I mean [08:39] smartboyhw: yeah, I don't think it's required to ship those headers [08:40] I doubt anything uses them [08:40] W: kactivities source: intra-source-package-circular-dependency libkactivities-bin libkactivities-models1 libkactivities6 [08:40] shadeslayer, but why we shouldn't? [08:40] hehe [08:40] shadeslayer, hehe [08:41] smartboyhw: there is no reason to ship them [08:41] btw I just realized, there are no symbols for libkfbapi [08:41] we should probably introduce some [08:41] shadeslayer, alright, have you uploaded it yet? [08:42] If yes, -0ubuntu2 will be needed [08:42] yeah, already uploaded [08:42] no big deal, we can introduce them with another upload [08:42] shadeslayer, uh, does this include the headers? [08:42] However, one small thing: Many packages (the ones for Ubuntu and [08:42] OpenSUSE, for example) omitted some key data files from the final [08:42] packages (prompts files, general scenario, etc.) without which Simon [08:42] 0.4.0 "crashes" immediately after startup (i.e., shows a fatal error and [08:42] quits). [08:43] smartboyhw: did you rebuild akonadi-facebook against the new libkfbapi btw? [08:43] shadeslayer, not yet. [08:43] is there a new release for that as well? [08:43] shadeslayer, never heard of. [08:43] * smartboyhw checks [08:45] shadeslayer, um, it's in kdepim-runtime it seems [08:45] ah yes [08:45] So, rebuild that? [08:45] probably time to retire akonadi-facebook thne [08:45] *then [08:46] shadeslayer, you haven't answered my question yet:) [08:46] smartboyhw: which one? I didn't quite get the last question [08:47] shadeslayer, uh, does this include the headers one, with the upstream instructions below [08:47] nope [08:47] data files are usually arch independent files [08:47] like images [08:48] shadeslayer, hmm, I can't find it with dh_install --list-missing... [08:49] where is this written? [08:49] shadeslayer, kde-packagers mailing list [08:49] and check debian/not-installed [08:51] shadeslayer, no such file? [08:51] then it seems like everything was installed? [08:51] shadeslayer, yeah [08:52] lemme check if Peter is around [08:57] shadeslayer, why dpkg-gencontrol: warning: Pre-Depends field of package unknown substitution variable ${misc:Pre-Depends} ? [08:57] It's in libkfbapi1-dev [08:57] Oops libkfbapi1 [08:57] lintian didn't warn me of that here [08:57] shadeslayer, not lintian [08:57] dpkg-gencontrol [08:57] lintian should have NO warnings [08:57] :P [08:57] Riddell might know [08:58] shadeslayer, and also, packages with Architectures: all shouldn't have {shlibs:Depends} as Depends: right? [08:59] smartboyhw: why not? [08:59] shadeslayer, it says that it's unknown variable... [08:59] shlibs:Depends is not generated for arch:all [08:59] yofel, so remove [08:59] ? [09:00] wait, arch:all = arch independent package? [09:00] shadeslayer, yeah [09:00] right [09:00] I always get confused :/ [09:00] okay they yeah, can be dropped [09:00] smartboyhw: though check what Debian did [09:00] shadeslayer, debian doesn't have that package I think [09:00] Initial release: 0.4.0-0ubuntu1 [09:01] * smartboyhw checks again though [09:01] this is simon? [09:01] they don't [09:01]