kieppieI can manually log in guest session fine00:00
sarnoldhrm, those don't feel like they would be fatal..00:00
kieppiex-0.log doesn't ring bells either: http://pastebin.com/7pb9jKEn00:01
kieppieI can start with a clean slate if needs be (made a backup of original)00:02
sarnoldkieppie: is there anything in dmesg?00:03
kieppieinit: lightdm main process (1005) terminated with status 100:04
sarnold*sigh* of course the lightdm manpage doesn't describe what the return values mean.00:12
kieppiesarnold: changed it a bit: http://pastebin.com/H6V1PHr800:16
kieppiesame result - no dice00:16
sarnoldkieppie: I wonder if you have to use guest-session instead of autologin-session ...00:21
sarnoldkieppie: is lightdm-autologin one of the sessions in /usr/share/xsessions ?00:21
kieppie"guest-session=lightdm-autologin" <-?00:21
kieppiexfce.desktop  xubuntu.desktop00:22
sarnoldkieppie: .. I think anything with *-session= ... requires a matching file in /usr/share/xsessions/00:22
kieppiewill try00:22
kieppiemakes sense00:23
kieppieI've tried setting "autologin-session=xubuntu", but still nothing00:25
kieppieset login time=000:25
kieppiehad it at 2, for testing00:26
kieppielooks good now, thanks00:26
sarnoldkieppie: oh! woo. :)00:26
kieppiethanks for your help00:26
sarnoldyou're welcome :)00:27
psusiso I'm trying to figure out what process owns a pop up window and when I run xwininfo it seems to lock the focus... can't alt tab back to the window to click on it... is there a way to break the lock?00:49
psusiok... what on earth is gnome-settings-daemon and why is it running?  udisks is supposed to handle auto mounting isn't it?00:57
RAOFpsusi: gnome-settings-daemon does all sorts of other stuff00:59
psusiRAOF, why is it trying to handle auto mounting?  that's what we have udisks for?  and why is it trying to do "all sorts of other stuff"?  HAL tried to do that and failed...01:00
RAOFYou need to have a user daemon to handle auto-mounting, not least because it's going to need to prompt in some cases.01:01
psusithat's what udisks is for isn't it?01:02
RAOFg-s-d is basically the running-in-user's-X11-session bit of a bunch of infrastructure.01:02
RAOFCorrect me if I'm wrong, but udisks is a system daemon?01:02
RAOFg-s-d is *using* udisks for mounting IIRC, but you do need a user-session component to do the user interaction bits.01:03
psusiseems like udisks should be doing that... but my problem is that when I run the parted test suite, even with udisks --inhibit running, it seems that this gnome-settings automount stuff is still trying to fiddle with the short lived test devices created, and pops up a bunch of errors01:05
psusipresumably because the devices are only created for a moment for a specific parted test, then destroyed, and gsd is racing with the descruction01:06
psusiis there a manual for gnome-settings-daemon somewhere?  I can't even find a page about it on developer.gnome.org01:22
psusiI'm getting the feeling that this thing is actually debian home grown and not part of gnome at all... its README file is emtpy, its COPYING file says it's owned by the FSF, but isn't listed on either the gnu or nongnu savannah... there's no website header in the package control file, and the project page on launchpad is just a placeholder... where the heck does this thing come from?01:34
AlfredOPrufrockshi there01:56
RAOFpsusi: https://github.com/GNOME/gnome-settings-daemon ?02:04
RAOFFirst google result (at least for me)02:04
psusiRAOF, yea, that's about all I could find too... but what's it doing there?  if it's really part of GNOME, shouldn't it be on the gnome web site?02:04
psusiit's readme file is also empty02:06
RAOFpsusi: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/ would be more canonical ☺02:08
psusiI'm starting to hate gnome's web site.. I can never seem to find anything useful on it02:09
darkxstthe automount helper has been removed from 3.802:21
darkxstit is now handled in gnome-shell, which won't help your issue psusi, but might explain why you wont find anything on the website02:30
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pittiGood morning05:08
didrockshey Mirv! how were your holidays? (welcome back ;))06:14
didrockshey czajkowski, how are you?06:24
Mirvdidrocks: thanks! :) excellent, as to be expected.06:30
didrocksMirv: did you travel a little bit or stayed at home?06:30
Mirvdidrocks: traveled domestically and met friends, not that much staying at home06:30
Mirvdidrocks: some generic otto/lxc problems around I think? (trying to decipher logs)06:31
didrocksMirv: it's weird, indeed, first time I'm seeing that, I'll let you know :)06:31
didrocksMirv: once that's settled back, do you mind taking (apart from Mir that I'm dealing with those days) sil2100's stacks?06:32
Mirvdidrocks: ok, sil2100's other stacks were qa, misc, oif, unity06:32
didrocksMirv: exactly, thanks! :)06:32
didrocksMirv: I'll tell you about the otto's issue (will have a look in ~30 minutes), and will catch up with you on what I had to do on the Qt side due to signon06:33
didrocksmeanwhile, you still have time to go through all emails, good luck! ;)06:33
czajkowskididrocks: good running saucy on my new laptop :)06:34
didrocksczajkowski: sweet :)06:34
czajkowskiyeah looks good, few bugs on install but nothing bad06:34
czajkowskiusing it as main work machine :)06:34
didrocksgreat ;)06:39
czajkowskifew compiz crahes and U1 being odd, but overall happy06:40
czajkowskiexcept can you explain the scopes :)06:40
czajkowskiI searched for chromium and assumed it'd show up even though not installed06:40
czajkowskiand nothing even nder applications06:40
didrockshum, it should be under applications06:43
didrocksotherwise, that's a bug06:43
didrocks(that part didn't change)06:44
czajkowskifiled a bug :)06:44
czajkowskieven had Laney in front of me checking it06:44
czajkowskididrocks: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/119605106:45
ubot2`Ubuntu bug 1196051 in unity (Ubuntu) "smart scope does not return uninstalled suggestions" [Undecided,New]06:45
didrocksczajkowski: thanks, I'll let mhr3 knows06:46
czajkowskiright off to europython toodles06:46
didrockssalut jibel, ça va?07:13
jibelSalut didrocks , ça va et toi?07:13
darkxsthey didrocks07:13
didrocksjibel: ça va, week-end chargé, mais première semaine + "normale" maintenant :)07:14
didrockshey darkxst!07:14
jibeldidrocks, some stacks (media, unity) are stuck since yesterday apparently07:15
didrocksjibel: they are not anymore, the platform stacks blocked waiting on powerpc, I'm unsure why though07:16
darkxstseb128, know anyone with a wacom?07:34
seb128good morning desktopers07:35
RAOFseb128: Good morning!07:35
seb128darkxst, no07:35
seb128RAOF, hey, how are you?07:35
darkxstseb128, ok, wacom panel builds ok, but I can't actually test it07:36
RAOFseb128: I be fne.07:36
RAOFOr even fine.07:36
seb128RAOF, ;-)07:37
darkxstseb128, that is when mixing g-s-d 3.807:37
seb128darkxst, ok, maybe do a call for testing on the desktop list?07:37
seb128RAOF, did you have a chance to test the new xorg?07:37
RAOFseb128: Indeed I did. There's one xmir-related crash on my intel/ati hybrid, but apart from that there's no blockers for 1.1407:38
seb128RAOF, ok, is that issue new with the xorg update? we should probably wait to have it fixed before landing the update if that's the case... did you file a bug about it or let mlankhorst know?07:44
RAOFseb128: It's a bug in my patches for -ati, or at least a new interaction between them.07:44
RAOFI've pinged mlankhorst; you should be able to go ahead with the 1.14 rollout shortly, though.07:45
* RAOF 07:46
* RAOF → Zoë bath07:46
seb128RAOF, ok, thanks07:47
seb128RAOF, have fun with the baby bath ;-)07:47
chrisccoulsongood morning everyone07:57
seb128chrisccoulson, Laney: hey, how are you? had a good w.e?08:07
didrockshey chrisccoulson, Laney!08:08
Laneyhey seb128, good thank you - very busy with going to london and then outdoors climbing yesterday08:08
Laneyhey didrocks08:08
Laneygood weekends too?08:08
seb128oh, you went to London?08:08
Laneyyeah for an event that czajkowski organised08:09
Laneywas fun08:09
didrocksLaney: quite a good one, yeah, just married (civil part) :)08:09
LaneyAlanBell demoed installing saucy with a screen reader ;-)08:09
Laney...which could be smoother08:09
Laneydidrocks: ah wow, congrats!08:09
Laneywhen's the party part? :P08:10
czajkowskiLaney: by smoother you do mean you want to mute it also!08:10
didrocksLaney: well, after the religious one (but in october) :)08:10
Laneyah, cool08:10
didrocksand thanks :)08:10
Laney(btw gsettings-qt autolanding is a bit crazy atm :P)08:11
czajkowskididrocks: you got married at the weekend? congrats!!08:11
didrocksczajkowski: thanks :)08:11
didrocksLaney: it's because the whitelist wasn't asked to be updated08:11
didrocksLaney: you know the last part: <build-publish> -> copy to distro08:12
didrocksthere is a whitelist barrier08:12
didrocksand it needs to be refreshed when we add components08:12
didrocksas per the FAQ ;)08:12
didrocksand it wasn't done, so latest trunk -> not in distro08:12
didrocksand so daily08:12
didrocksyep :)08:12
didrockshe asked me this night to update it08:13
Laneyah cool08:13
didrocksI've done it, hence the landing today (as the whitelist is refreshed)08:13
* Laney checks distro08:13
Laneyindeed it is08:13
Laneyczajkowski: how's florence?08:15
chrisccoulsonhi seb128, didrocks, Laney08:15
Laneyahoy thar08:15
chrisccoulsonseb128, yeah, i'm not too bad thanks. did some tidying in our garden08:15
chrisccoulsonhow are you?08:15
chrisccoulsoni'm pretty annoyed about mozilla bug 88884008:16
seb128I'm good thanks08:16
ubot2`Mozilla bug 888840 in General "Unable to access crash reports from Ubuntu builds of Firefox beta" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88884008:16
czajkowskiLaney: rather warm :) but lovely08:16
chrisccoulsonpitti, is there anything that needs to happen to make apport retrace firefox crashes correctly?08:16
czajkowskialtough my flight yesterday wasn an ordeal I do not want to relive, it was over booked, and needed people to get off the plane and people needed to get to Florence, waited 90+ mins security called as people got a bit cranky.08:17
czajkowskialso forgot how much eastern europeans smoke so much, many of the evnet is outdoors and lots of smoking feels very odd08:17
Laneyyeah you quickly get used to its absence08:18
czajkowskiI have however spent the last 15 mins showing off Ubuntu on the new sexy beast laptop :) and no crashes!08:18
pittichrisccoulson: not sure, it's supposed to work already, provided that the debug symbols work08:18
Laneyhey pitti, how's it going?08:19
chrisccoulsonpitti, bug 1195685 didn't seem to work08:19
chrisccoulsoni think there's another one from the weekend too but i can't find it now08:19
AlanBellLaney: yeah, I will probably go through the screen reader install slowly and report all the bugs again08:19
czajkowskiAlanBell: slowly, surely you dont want more torture!08:20
LaneyAlanBell: Do we have any manual tests for that on e.g. the iso tracker?08:20
AlanBellyeah, I wrote some, I will go find it . . .08:20
pittihey Laney; great, thanks; and you?08:20
Laneyah yes, as run-once08:21
Laneypitti: good! My trip bouldering outdoors has reminded me of the importance of regular training :P08:21
pittichrisccoulson: hm, no error messages in the retracer log either :/08:21
pittichrisccoulson: I keep the tab open and will try locally08:22
chrisccoulsonpitti, thanks08:22
chrisccoulsonpitti, 1 more thing - would there be anything preventing the most recent pkg-create-dbgsyms from working on other releases? (ie, if i were to use it in my PPA's for everything back to precise in order to save some space)08:23
AlanBellLaney: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1309/info08:23
Laneyyeah, found it08:23
seb128pitti, hey08:24
pittichrisccoulson: no, should be fine to backport to any ubuntu release08:24
pittibonjour seb12808:24
chrisccoulsonpitti, excellent, thanks08:24
AlanBellhttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/270/builds/47791/testcases/1309/results is in fact the place to report results I think08:25
Laneywell, it only tests that the procedure works - not really about the quality of the experience08:25
AlanBellfirst things first08:25
Laneypitti: so ... I was hoping you'd know about this08:25
LaneyQuite often when I boot my laptop the permissions on /run/user/blah/pulse are wrong - it gets root:root.08:26
Laneyis that a known bug and if not where do you think the blame might lie? :-)08:26
AlanBellczajkowski: the voice quality can be significantly improved by plugging in a different speech synthesizer but the one that fits on the disk does multiple languages and can be speeded up a lot which regular users like08:27
pittiLaney: hm, never heard about it so far; the dir has a "pid" file, does that actually point to a pulse daemon which belongs to root?08:28
czajkowskiAlanBell: nods08:28
AlanBellit is also possible to redirect the output to a text file rather than a synth, I might do that to get a transcript of the install process08:28
pittiLaney: and all other files in /run/user/1000 have correct owner?08:28
LaneyI don't think a daemon was running08:29
Laneylet me restart and see if it happens again, one second08:29
Laneygrr, can't repro it08:35
Laneyoh well, I'll keep an eye out08:37
czajkowskiwhere do I go again to get my workspaces back :(08:37
pittiLaney: perhaps something started pulseaudio through sudo?08:38
Laneypitti: can't think what I would have done like that... it happened two or three times08:38
* czajkowski hugs Laney 08:38
czajkowskithank you08:38
seb128Mirv, hey, welcome back!08:46
seb128Mirv, do you plan to land qtsystems to saucy soon? ;-) (we need it for system settings)08:47
czajkowskievery tie I read Mirv I read it as Mir08:48
LaneyI lost clock and battery in indicator-applet08:50
* Laney reports08:50
xnoxLaney: my laptop "lost" battery indicator sometime in raring.08:53
Laneywell I get it in a (unity) guest session08:53
Laneybut whatever update I did towards the end of last week broke it in indicator-applet :-)08:54
seb128Laney, I doubt anyone will want to port indicator-applet to gmenumodel based indicators09:00
seb128well, anyone in our indicator team09:00
seb128maybe community will pick it up09:00
seb128it broke those in unity-greeter though, which we probably need to pick (and ubiquity might be in a similar case)09:01
seb128need to ping larsu about that when he gets online09:01
Laneyseb128: I guess not09:03
Mirvseb128: hi, thanks! yes, that's the next one after I get qtfeedback in first. I know systems is wanted as well,09:03
seb128Mirv, ok, great, thanks (I've been using the ppa version and it works fine for me ;-)09:04
xnoxseb128: hmm.... is there a mail or something to read about gmenumodel based indicators?09:08
seb128xnox, not sure, https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/libindicator/add-indicator-ng/+merge/143934 probably has some details09:10
seb128better to ask larsu when he's around later09:10
seb128xnox, https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1mNHOaBJVKRxqRcUkT0vvF5_1H-wG_IM8IQGxoPSXk-M/edit as well09:10
xnoxseb128: thanks. enough details for now =)09:11
seb128xnox, I guess if that was in the perspective of porting ubiquity, https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/unity/support-indicator-ng/+merge/149136 is better09:11
seb128that's the unity-panel-service support, and it's small09:11
seb128in fact seems like the protocol is fine, what is changing is just how they get listed/loaded09:12
* larsu can't sleep :-/09:15
larsuseb128: morning09:15
seb128larsu, hey, you should be sleeping!09:16
larsuseb128: ya, doesn't work for some reason...09:16
seb128larsu, happy monday09:16
seb128get some tea ;-)09:16
larsuso I guess I'll just do what pitti does usually and get up now09:16
pittihey larsu09:16
larsuseb128: happy canada day! ;)09:16
larsupitti: hi! wie geht's?09:17
pittilarsu: prima, danke! und Dir? (abgesehen von Insomnia..)09:17
larsupitti: pretty good as well. Visited Niagara on the weekend09:17
seb128oh, nice09:17
seb128is that as impressive to see that it looks like it would on TV? ;-)09:18
larsumore impressive :)09:18
larsuit really is very cool09:18
seb128great ;-)09:18
larsubut the city is very touristy09:18
* larsu got to change the lights shining on the falls09:19
larsuI met a guy in Toronto who introduced me to the guys operating them09:19
seb128lol, I was trying to figure out the joke there :p09:19
seb128you actually did change the lights then ;-)09:20
larsuit was pretty cool09:20
seb128sounds like a great w.e trip09:20
* seb128 is a bit jealous09:20
larsuI'm moving back on the weekend btw09:21
larsumakes me a bit sad...09:21
seb128oh, already, I though you would come back around the end of the month09:21
seb128are you going to Berlin?09:21
seb128seems like your body is already putting you back on local time :p09:22
larsuhaha, projected jet lag!09:23
larsuseb128: so I found that indicator-session bug last night...09:23
seb128larsu, I saw that, I approved your MR this morning, great work!09:23
seb128dholbach seems to have confirmed that the fix works for him09:24
larsuit's really neat, leaking a couple of thousand objects, each connecting to a single notify signal09:24
seb128I somewhat don't get the bug here, not sure why09:24
larsuah, I see09:24
didrockslarsu: thanks for filing my swap this morning btw :)09:24
larsuseb128: change your real name a couple of times, you'lll get it ;)09:24
didrocksit needed to be checked that it's still working :p09:24
larsudidrocks: lol, not my bug ;)09:24
seb128larsu, well I doubt you guys changed your name and a bunch of you ran into it... ;-)09:24
seb128well, I just got lucky I guess09:25
didrockslarsu: you can still call it a benchmark, or robustness testing :p09:25
larsuseb128: it happens when anything in accountsservice changes. I'm guessing the new accountsservice notifies more often or about more things, otherwise we'd have seen this bug much sooner09:26
larsudidrocks: lol09:26
larsuanyway, it's good that it's fixed, even though that code will be replaced09:27
seb128larsu, new accountsservice keeps track/publish a login "journal"09:27
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larsudoes it expose that through the properties of a user object?09:27
seb128the GNOME guys show an history of users login in the control-center with it09:27
seb128larsu: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/accountsservice/commit/?id=a30ac649fb83de8b1706d1b8bf4cee193c81b70609:28
seb128larsu, seems so yes09:28
larsuyep, looks like it09:28
larsubut this probably only changes when logging in, right09:28
seb128well anyway, you found and fixed the leak09:29
seb128so all good ;-)09:29
larsuyep :)09:29
larsuthis gets auto-released, right?09:29
larsu(once it merges)09:29
seb128larsu, btw, not sure if you read backlog, we need indicator-ng support in unity-greeter09:29
larsuI know09:29
seb128larsu, yes, didrocks is already on it09:29
larsuthe new indicators landed too early09:30
larsuis there anyone scheduled to work on the greeter?09:30
larsuif not, I can do it today09:30
larsuprobably less than a day's work09:30
seb128if you could that would be nice09:30
seb128mterry is working on the phablet greeter nowadays09:30
seb128I don't think anyone is still working on unity-greeter for desktop09:31
larsuno problem, will do09:31
seb128thanks ;-)09:32
xnoxseb128: and in addition to "[calendar]" in the datetime-indicator, is it also noticed that indicators are now out-of-order with date-time left-most instead of second from the right?09:32
seb128xnox, there is a merge request up waiting to be reviewed to fix that09:33
seb128xnox, but it needed changes to libindicator first then the unity side, we just went for the easy fix on friday09:33
larsuxnox: sorry about all of that. The new indicator branches landed without anyone testing them (or asking me...)09:34
seb128xnox, [calendar] should be fixed with the unity update from friday, restart unity-panel-service09:34
xnoxlarsu: next time leave a broken unit test ;-)09:35
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Laneylarsu: btw, my gsettings-qt breakage was caused by using 5.1.0 packages from ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-beta-proper09:59
Laneytotally forgot I even had that ...09:59
larsuLaney: good to know. I hope that patch makes it into a release soon, there seem to be quite a few ppas that don't have it floating around...10:02
LaneyI don't even know why I wanted the PPA so just got rid of it now :-)10:02
seb128didrocks, do you know if there an issue with the merger? I find it weird that the indicator-session mr didn't get jenkins/merger comments yet, when the indicator-power one that was approved after it got merged since10:09
didrocksseb128: yeah, no idea, I find it weird too10:09
didrocksseb128: sometimes, I had to ping mmrazik10:09
seb128who would know? fginther?10:09
didrocksyep, fghinter now10:09
seb128fginther, hey, can you help with merge weirdnesses?10:10
seb128larsu, hum, either your ordering fix doesn't work or I did something wrong (I built libindicator from trunk and applied to a local build of http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~larsu/unity/call-ido-init/revision/3389 and run that unity-panel-service)10:17
seb128larsu, with that I still get the power and datetime on the left10:17
larsuseb128: so about that... the ordering fix only works for gmenuified indicators that have a "Position=NN" line in their indicator file10:18
seb128so until we port everything to gmenu the order is going to be wrong?10:19
larsuyes, but it would be a trivial patches to the old indicators to make them appear right10:19
larsuI can do that if you feel strongly about it10:19
larsuin fact, I might because _I_ am annoyed by it :)10:20
seb128larsu, it breaks muscle memory, I guess I might get used to it by the time it's changed back to be the right order :p10:24
larsuseb128: haha :D10:25
didrocksMirv: just keeping you up to date, there are some unknown lxc/permission issues, we are still working with jibel on it and investigating10:44
didrocks(already fixed a change in lightdm impacting us)10:44
didrocksMirv: so, please, work on the Qt side of things right now until otto is up again10:44
didrockslook at saucy-changes and the upload I've done to unblock the webcreds stack (I didn't backport everything on purpose to trunk when they diverged)10:45
seb128didrocks, should I just upload manually the indicator-session fix maybe so we don't overload's saucy boxes with dbus spam and high memory usage?10:48
didrocksseb128: I think it's the saner approach (and so please backport the changelog :))10:48
seb128didrocks, will do, thanks10:48
didrocksseb128: thanks to you :)10:48
Mirvdidrocks: ok, thanks11:04
ogra_qengho_, did you see bug 119601911:05
ubot2`Launchpad bug 1196019 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "Chromium crashes with the error "Illegal instruction (core dumped)" with the newest apt-get version on Toshiba AC100, lubuntu 13.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119601911:05
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pitti 2282 martin    20   0 2518m 1,9g 2168 R  97,9 52,8  19:20.50 indicator-sessi11:14
pittithat's the second time for me that indicator-session goes crazy, uses 100% CPU and eats up RAM11:14
LaneyI guess that's what seb128 was just talking about?11:15
seb128pitti, cf backlog from 12:4811:15
pittiah, very likely, thanks11:15
seb128pitti, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-session/12.10.5daily13.06.19-0ubuntu211:15
seb128grab the deb and restart the service11:15
pittidone, merci11:17
seb128de rien11:17
Laneycan you use dbus from qml directly or is that a C++y thing?11:19
seb128Laney, I don't think you can no :/11:20
Mirvdidrocks: FYI u1db-qt would be wanted to saucy / daily release, I think it hasn't yet been on our radar11:21
Mirvor well, no updates in 1.5 months, but an upload at least11:22
didrocksMirv: I'm not sure the u1 team is following our daily release process, mind checking with them if they want it? (and if so, sanitazing the package?)12:14
Mirvdidrocks: yeah, I'll contact them12:26
didrocksMirv: FYI, the otto issue is an lxc kernel regression on saucy, we downgraded it and now running the tests12:27
didrocksMirv: then, I'll give you back the control for packaging review and publishing :)12:27
Mirvok, sounds good, or not good that a regression slipped in but otherwise12:29
didrocksMirv: well, still good that it's workarounded already and we are unblocked :)12:30
didrocksQA tests successfully passed and published12:30
didrocksrunning platform now12:30
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didrocksMirv: we can force the publication in the platform stack, the failing tests are issues that are fixed in latest unity autopilot tests (but not published yet)12:35
didrocksMirv: timing issues only impacting one machine12:35
didrocksso running platform once, without "force" mode12:35
didrocksto see if we have packaging changes12:35
didrocksand running the sdk stack at the same time12:36
didrocksplatform published12:39
larsuseb128: thanks for backporting that indicator-session fix so quickly!12:41
didrocksMirv: so, a lot of tests failures (10 on each config), I let you dealing that with the sdk guys?12:41
seb128larsu, thank for the quick fixing! ;-)12:41
didrocksseb128: are all changelogs backported to trunk? I want to try a rebuild for indicators and unity12:42
seb128larsu, I'm trying to keep saucy users happy, it makes things harder for everybody when people are reluctant to run the current distro because it's known to be buggy12:42
seb128didrocks, they all have MR pendings, indicator-session seems to not get along with jenkins/merger though12:42
seb128didrocks, fginther didn't ping me back yet12:42
didrocksseb128: the others are approved or do you need a silly approval? :)12:43
larsuseb128: right, that was my motivation for fixing it last night12:43
seb128didrocks, they are approved, but see e.g https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/indicator-session/backport-manual-upload/+merge/17230612:43
seb128didrocks, it's "sitting there", no jenkins/no merge12:43
didrocksseb128: yeah, those should be fastracked…12:43
didrocksI saw some people mentionning jenkins issues as well12:43
seb128gra, on this one larsu didn't change the mr status12:43
didrocks(no issues for dailies though)12:44
seb128but it will block anyway since the pre-required branch is not merged yet12:44
didrockslarsu: !!12:44
Mirvdidrocks: ok, getting someone to look at those12:44
didrocksMirv: thx ;)12:44
larsuseb128: jenkins hadn't run through yet12:45
larsushould I change now?12:45
didrockslarsu: pfff, you are sooooo late :p12:45
seb128larsu, it still didn't run through your fix from yesterday, not sure what's wrong there...12:45
larsudidrocks: haha, "Approved by: Didier Roche 54 seconds ago"12:45
* larsu is too tired to act fast :P12:46
didrocksMirv: do you mind telling me if we can publish the apps stack? all tests pass but as the sdk one failed to pass tests (if we can publish it without latest sdk)12:57
Mirvdidrocks: looks good, none of the apps changes depend on the Friday's changes in sdk13:03
seb128Mirv, does https://code.launchpad.net/~mitya57/ubuntu/saucy/qtbase-opensource-src/merge/+merge/172053 looks fine to you?13:04
didrocksMirv: thanks, publishing then!13:04
didrocksseb128: for the unity changelog, I propose that we merge it manually so that we can ask for rebuilding it, do you have the MP link handy?13:06
didrocksseb128: (and if so, please just bzr merge, commit and bzr push if you can)13:06
seb128didrocks, what do you mean?13:07
seb128didrocks, https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/unity/call-ido-init/+merge/172127 is the mr13:07
seb128didrocks, but just merging the changelog would not be good, we can't land an update without the fix or we will break indicators again13:07
didrocksseb128: yeah, I meant, merging that manually would help to rebuild unity and land those if the MP is good13:08
didrockshum, I though mhr3 would give it a look when I asked for it13:08
seb128why does it help?13:08
didrocksnot the case yet…13:08
didrocksseb128: to rebuild the unity and run the tests to know where we are at with the full stack13:09
seb128well, do you need the changelog merged for that?13:09
seb128you can't publish but you can run tests no?13:09
didrocksseb128: no, it's not even pushing to the ppa13:09
seb128well, I'm happy to send a MR back if that helps13:09
didrockson purpose, to ensure we have "latest"13:10
czajkowskieh folks I'm trying to take screen caputures of the desktop and running into an issue, where the imiage appears BLACK. http://ubuntuone.com/7O3TkA30qqPqqQBNwgXQE413:10
didrocks(latest that is published)13:10
seb128czajkowski, do you change your number of screens? (like dock/undock a laptop)?13:10
czajkowskiYou cna hear the camera shutter noise taking the picture, but it appears as a black screen. the image is black also13:10
czajkowskiseb128: nope don't dock it13:10
seb128didrocks, ok, let me send a mr for the changelog13:10
didrocksseb128: thanks, but anyway, as you told, we need larsu's fix…13:11
seb128didrocks, with the understand we need mhr3 or somebody else to ack lars' fix before we publish to distro13:11
didrocksyep :/13:11
seb128didrocks, I'm pondering just acking it myself13:11
seb128I tested it locally13:11
didrocksseb128: just made your branch dep on his one13:11
seb128it works fine13:11
didrocksseb128: I'm fine with this :)13:11
seb128I'm running it since this morning13:11
seb128ok, let's do that13:11
seb128if somebody has a followup review comment they can fix with another mr13:12
didrocksthat will enable me to rerun indicators tests in a good shape13:12
didrocks(as latest unity-autopilot isn't the one with sil2100's fixes)13:12
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Mirvseb128: I've checked it now, it looks good. mitya57 is doing a good job on those and I'd hoped to resync with Debian anyway.13:22
seb128Mirv, great, thanks, I will sponsor this one then13:22
seb128Mirv, he also submitted https://code.launchpad.net/~mitya57/ubuntu/saucy/qtdeclarative-opensource-src/merge/+merge/172054 and https://code.launchpad.net/~mitya57/ubuntu/saucy/qtwebkit-opensource-src/merge/+merge/17209413:22
didrocksMirv: thanks for looking at the spreadsheet! :)13:24
seb128didrocks, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity/backport-manual-upload/+merge/17233413:24
didrocksMirv: regarding qtwebkit, it seems it's blocked in proposed13:24
didrocksMirv: and I didn't backport IIRC that to trunk as I wanted to wait for your ack13:24
didrocksso, please, feel free to backport it :)13:24
didrockswe needed that to have the webcreds stack transitionning and qtwebkit temporarly in main for it13:25
didrocksseb128: approved, thanks13:25
Mirvdidrocks: ok, thanks!13:25
didrocksMirv: I think there is just https://bugs.launchpad.net/qt/+bug/1171553 to look at13:26
ubot2`Ubuntu bug 1171553 in qtwebkit-opensource-src (Ubuntu) "Invalid dependencies in pkg-config files" [Undecided,Confirmed]13:26
seb128didrocks, thank you13:26
didrocksso not sure if you want to wait for 5.113:26
didrocksseb128: yw :)13:26
didrocks(I think that's fine to wait for it)13:26
seb128didrocks, #sdk is randomly ranting about the commit message thing, can you just put it back your "use the description as commit message" so we are done with arguing over that? ;-)13:27
seb128I think nobody out of thumper really liked it this way13:28
seb128didrocks, want a bug report about it?13:28
didrocksseb128: I think it's something to ask fginther about, not me :)13:29
didrocksseb128: it's not my upstream merger anymore13:29
didrocksbut I would join the rant :p13:29
seb128didrocks, if we ever heard back from fginther :p13:29
didrocks"if" ;)13:30
didrocksFrancis Ginther - National Holiday13:31
didrocksI think we won't heard about him13:31
seb128I'm glad I manually uploaded indicator-session :p13:33
didrockswell, that's why daily release needed to learn to handle those, giving priority to distro13:33
seb128do we have a fallback contact for when fginther is away?13:33
didrocksvrruiz I guess13:34
didrocksmaybe try with him?13:34
czajkowskiseb128: do you think it may be down to me using workspaces?13:40
czajkowskiIt was working but just ran some updates.13:40
seb128czajkowski, that would be weird13:40
seb128I had issues like that going away after a session restart13:40
czajkowskiI mean it's a clean install on saturday, I took some screne captures and today I canot13:40
czajkowskiok I'l restart13:40
seb128I blamed xorg/docking13:41
czajkowskiback working now13:43
czajkowskibloody odd13:43
qengho_ogra_: Got it.  Interesting.13:53
ogra_looks a bit like the no_neon patch doesnt work13:53
qengho_ogra_: do you know a way I can run Cr in a Neon-less emulator and test if Neon instructions are run?13:58
ogra_hm, not really13:59
ogra_qengho_, https://wiki.linaro.org/Resources/HowTo/DeterminingCPUFeatures these code snippets  should help to determine if neon is availabel ...14:02
ogra_for testing, just talk to the #ac100 community14:02
ogra_many there run ubuntu14:02
ogra_(just look for HWCAP_NEON, i think pixman also has example code)14:03
desrthappy canada day!14:06
jbichadesrt: do you go see fireworks?14:07
desrtsome on saturday and some last night14:07
desrtbut the big ones are tonight14:07
larsudesrt: 🍁14:07
desrtlarsu: that character didn't make it14:08
larsuthat's U+1F341 MAPLE LEAF14:08
desrtah :)14:08
seb128desrt, happy Canada day to you ;-)14:08
larsumy font doesn't have it either14:08
desrtseb128: and to larsu and attente and cyphermox !14:08
desrtand jasoncwarner_ and robru if they're awake yet14:08
seb128desrt, larsu got insomnia for Canada day, I guess that's because he's german ;-)14:08
* desrt celebrates with coffee14:10
desrti suppose coffee is similar in some ways to insomnia...14:10
desrta productive alternative to sleep!14:10
ogra_seb128, you blame canada instead of brazil vs. spain ?14:11
didrockshappy canada day desrt!14:12
desrtdidrocks: happy not-single day!14:12
didrocksdesrt: ahah, thanks (well, actually, the second already) :)14:13
* desrt thought it was the first full one, but not even this is true14:13
didrocksdesrt: no ;-)14:14
desrtfeel different?14:14
didrocksdesrt: well… not really TBH :-) I think the religious wedding will make a bigger impact with everyone gathered and the party14:15
desrtyou have churches in france?14:15
* desrt boggles14:15
desrtoh... wait...14:15
didrocksdesrt: I think we had few :p14:15
* desrt remembers seeing at least 2 big ones in paris :)14:15
didrocksdesrt: yeah, I know, it's a little inconvenient, but we all have to go to Paris first, and then, back in Lyon for that part14:16
didrocksbut it's a minor journey :p14:16
didrocksand a little bit closer than Rome14:16
desrtwell, with the TGV, it's not so bad14:16
didrocksright ;)14:16
desrtand if there's only two churches, then there's only two churches14:16
desrtso is it at notre dame or sacré coeur?14:17
didrockswe didn't decide yet, you know, there are so few wedding in France that we can decide just the day before14:18
didrocksyou'll receive a sms to know which one you should go :p14:18
desrtyou should pick sacré coeur, then14:18
desrtit's much prettier14:18
didrocksyeah, but higher as well14:18
seb128desrt, and they let you book the place for yourself easily :p14:18
didrocksnot sure I want to exercise on my wedding day14:18
desrtthey have the funicular....14:18
didrocksindeed, like in Lyon actually14:19
didrocksinteresting, we'll think about it :)14:19
desrtlarsu: montmarte funicular is a real funicular, for reference14:19
didrockswhy? is there any fake ones?14:20
desrtya.  there's one in montreal with only one car14:20
larsudidrocks: ya, Montréal14:20
larsudesrt: they should just rename it to elevator14:21
larsu(the one on the Olympic Tower)14:21
desrti take it back14:21
desrtit's a fake one now since it was "upgraded"14:21
didrockshttp://www.lyon-photos.com/diaporama/moyenne_64.htm you have this one in Lyon14:21
desrtit has two cars, but each is under its own power14:21
didrocksand yes, there are two cars14:22
didrocks(and no own power, just a cable they change each year)14:22
desrtsince 1991....14:22
desrtThe technology of the funicular is derived from that of standard elevators, which allows each car to function independently, with its own hoist and cables. This allows one car to remain in service if the other must be taken out of service for maintenance. At busy times, both cabins can ascend at the same time (usually, more passengers use the funicular to ascend than to descend).14:23
didrocksthis is how the traction works: http://www.ferro-lyon.net/xmedia/Images/ficelles/Fourviere/Fourviere-08-07-02.jpg :)14:23
desrtlame :(14:23
didrocksdesrt: yeah, not a real funicular…14:23
desrtdidrocks: so the distinction is this: it's only a true funicular if the cars act as counter-weight to each other14:23
didrocksand no fun to "we are to cross the other one"14:24
didrocksdesrt: yeah, I got it, and it's the case for this one in Lyon14:24
didrocks(and you cross in the middle, the way doubles)14:24
didrocks(eventually to different sides of the way ;))14:25
desrtquebec city has a fake one as well...14:27
desrtsimilar to the montmartre setup14:27
desrttwo cars, each under independent electrical power14:27
didrocksdesrt: I can understand seeing that changing the cable is, for instance, shutting down the funicular for a week in Lyon, and it seems the maintenance costs are high14:35
larsumterry: what's the best way to test menubar changes to unity-greeter (desktop)? A nested X session?14:39
mlankhorston someone else's computer14:39
mterrylarsu, yeah, or I just often install it and "switch users"14:39
larsumterry: yeah I guess that'll do. Thanks :)14:40
seb128larsu, vms for the win if you like to keep your user session on screen ;-)14:42
* Laney gets DBus -> cpp -> qml working14:43
LaneyIt's funny being happy about such simple things :P14:43
larsuseb128: ah, great idea as well :)14:44
seb128Laney, oh, great, please share when you are done ;-)14:46
seb128Laney, I got the cpp stuff working last week (if you saw my -tech emails)14:46
seb128but I didn't try to dbus for it yet14:46
LaneyI'm not using the codegen thing they have14:47
Laneyseems overkill for the two calls I need (and the tool can't parse the AccountsService interface description)14:47
Laneyyeah they have something which is similar to gdbus-codegen14:47
seb128oh ok, for dbus14:48
Laneywhich is what I was mainly turning up when googling14:48
seb128I though you were speaking for the cpp plugin14:48
seb128are you doing a cpp plugin for background? did you copy the one from the example panel?14:48
Laneynot got that far yet14:48
seb128I was pondering adding stuff to SystemSettings the other day14:48
LaneyI did example with cpp code or whatever in Qt Creator14:49
seb128but seems it might easier to just have independant plugins for the panel14:49
Laneyyeah I think so14:49
seb128Laney, ok, I did that and I got bitten by the fact that .qml needs to be one directory bellow the plugin for the import to work14:49
seb128that took most of my friday afternoon to figure out :/14:50
Laneyyeah I read your posts but found that mangling the import structure to reflect the module hierarchy got it working for me14:50
Laneyso backend/Ubuntu/Example/<code goes here>14:50
Laneythen qmlscene -I backend yourproject/main.qml14:50
desrtseb128: shutdown/suspend thing check out?14:51
seb128right, as long as you know to add -I to qmlscene you are good :p14:51
Laneyyes, but that did not work with the structure you get from the template14:51
seb128Laney, it does, you need to qmlscene -I ..14:51
seb128well, that worked for me at the end14:52
seb128but I did so much hacking around that maybe I changed other stuff on the way that I don't remember14:52
Laneywell, let's see how easy it is to get it into the system-settings14:52
seb128Laney, system settings, I would just copy the example plugin from mardy14:52
Laneyit should be quite a simple one just to read BackgroundFile from accountsservice14:52
Laneyyeah will copy that and modify it14:52
seb128desrt, oh, I forgot ... will try in a bit when I can close my session14:52
didrocksseb128: @re: one subddir, remember to have loose time with this14:53
didrocksseb128: we miss debug tools…14:53
Laneyalso I phablet-flashed earlier and didn't get The Bug14:54
Laneythat's two reboots in a row!14:54
seb128didrocks, yeah...14:55
didrockskenvandine: hey, around?15:39
kenvandinehey didrocks15:39
kenvandinedidrocks, oh, i wanted to talk to you about signon15:39
kenvandinenot sure what to do about it...15:39
didrockshow was your week-end? :)15:39
kenvandineremember that is the one that has a distro patch for i386 and amd64, but not armhf15:40
didrockskenvandine: you don't remember the diff you've done last time?15:40
kenvandinegood week, thanks :)15:40
didrockskenvandine: no, it's not that (well, it's related, but not due to it)15:40
kenvandinethat's all i could see...15:40
didrockskenvandine: basically, what you need to do is diff trunk and the generated source branch15:40
didrocksthen, if there are diffs that are not in the ignored list and should be, we should update it :)15:41
kenvandineok.. no idea what could be different :)15:41
* kenvandine looks for that... i thought it was just that patch15:41
didrocksremember? this was this: diff -Nrup trunk ../dest-source-tarball | filterdiff --clean -x *po -x *pot -x *locatl-options | lsdiff | grep -v .bzr15:42
didrocksso I did it this morning15:42
didrocksand noted that we have .pc files15:42
didrocksand that's what was triggering the dailies15:42
didrocksso I upgraded to "grep -Ev .bzr|.pc"15:42
didrocksadded a task case15:42
didrocksand committed15:42
didrocksremember that last time it was files that were wrongly created when doing bzr bd -S?15:43
didrocks(so better that you know where to look at if I'm not around next time ;))15:43
kenvandineno i don't :)15:43
didrocksoh! it was 4 months ago :)15:43
didrockseat more fish for your memory ;)15:44
kenvandinei'm old :)15:44
kenvandinei just ran that command and didn't get anything15:44
didrockswhat did you run exactly?15:44
didrocksI bzr branch lp:signon15:44
didrocksbzr bd -S15:44
kenvandinediff -Naurp ../build-area/signon-8.52+13.10.20130701 .  | filterdiff --clean -x *po -x *pot -x *locatl-options | lsdiff | grep -v .bzr15:44
kenvandinefrom inside trunk15:44
didrockskenvandine: is ../build-area/signon-8.52+13.10.20130701 created with bzr bd -S?15:45
kenvandinejust now15:45
didrocksnot what I had, let me retry15:45
didrockskenvandine: you didn't use bzr bd-do for ../build-area/signon-8.52+13.10.20130701?15:45
kenvandinei never use that :)15:45
didrockskenvandine: interesting, bzr bd -S --dont-purge gives something different than extracting the tarball :)15:47
didrockskenvandine: try to reextract the tarball15:47
didrockswith dpkg-source -x15:47
didrocksand diff between trunk with this15:47
didrocks(as we diff with distro, after downloading the previous source)15:47
didrocksthis time, you should have the .pc files (that dpkg-source does something with apparently :p)15:48
kenvandineok, now i get quilt stuff15:48
didrocksyep :)15:48
kenvandineso it's that patch :)15:49
didrocksyeah, indirectly ;)15:49
kenvandinei don't get that from the bzr bd -S though15:49
didrocksme neither15:49
didrocksthat's interesting… :)15:49
kenvandineanyway, so you'll start ignoring the .pc?15:49
didrockskenvandine: so http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cupstream2distro-maintainers/cupstream2distro/trunk/revision/33215:49
didrocksand deployed :)15:49
didrocksyw :)15:50
didrockskenvandine: something else, the misc start is failing to build15:50
didrocksdue to upstart-launch15:50
didrocksyou are not a stranger to that one, isn't it? :p15:50
kenvandinei helped ted with the packaging... but that's about it :)15:51
kenvandinei can look though15:51
seb128desrt, no suspend on shutdown if I close the lid just after picking the item, so I guess it's the 10 seconds timeout15:51
didrockskenvandine: that would be awesome, it's failing on every archs apparently15:51
didrockskenvandine: if the fix lands, mind rerunning the stack (just rebuilding that component?)15:51
didrocks *** Checking Application Job ***15:52
didrocksERROR: version of /sbin/initctl too old15:52
didrocksit failed for 3 days (saturday to today)15:52
kenvandineah, needs newer upstart i guess15:52
didrocksI doubt that distro was in a mismatch15:52
didrocksif so, just disable it for now maybe?15:52
didrocksto not block the full stack?15:52
kenvandinei blame tedg15:52
didrockswe all do :)15:52
kenvandinei'll look in a few :)15:52
didrocksthanks ;)15:52
kenvandinefinishing something else atm :)15:52
ogra_you never ever want to have initctl executed in a chroot during package builds15:53
didrockskenvandine: no hurry, as long as you unblock the stack ;)15:53
didrocksogra_: seems that tedg wants that :p15:53
kenvandineseb128, https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/network_plugins/+merge/17235815:53
ogra_you cant really ... at least for system upstart jobs we explicitly move initrctl out of the way when creating chroots15:54
ogra_(i.e. when building images etc)15:54
desrtseb128: how about if you wait?15:54
desrtseb128: or did you not upload yet?15:54
seb128desrt, oh, I did not upload yet15:54
seb128sorry, I'm still testing on old saucy15:55
desrtah.  cool15:55
seb128kenvandine, lol, I was about to push that .install simplication :p15:55
desrtso i guess it confirms my theory at least15:55
desrtwhich means that the patch should work15:55
seb128kenvandine, I just built locally with that15:55
ogra_if you need example code: debian-installer-utils ... grep for initctl.REAl in chroot-setup.sh15:55
* didrocks waves good evening and good night16:46
purezenHey guys..! I recently bought a Dell Vostro 5460 with Ubuntu12.04 pre-installed.. Though, I did a fresh install of 12.10 on it.. I face an issue of extremely low sound output from the machine.. something which has not been reported from the Windows running versions.. Please help..!16:52
purezenOther Linux users of the same have also reported the same issues..16:53
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AlanBello/ xnox in ubiquity, the dots at the bottom, is that by any chance implemented as a zillion individual progress bar widgits?18:14
qengho_ogra_: The only way to handle Neon features is by a runtime branch, yes?  There's no different LD path, e.g., look in /usr/lib/armneon-linux-gnueabihf before /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf ?18:49
ogra_or alternatively build a -neon binary package (though thats ugly and doubles your buildtime)18:49
qengho_ogra_: but dpkg has no Neon test, I'm sure. A human still has to know to install.18:51
ogra_yes, the -neon package would have to be options18:51
qengho_ogra_: I don't think chromium will be able to support neon soon. Upstream just WontFix'd a bug about neon and Tegra2.18:54
ogra_we dont want neon enabled at all18:54
ogra_its a policy18:54
qengho_ogra_: the most sane result is to disable Neon for all.18:54
ogra_no packages that use neon by default are allowed in the archive18:55
ogra_if your app can do runtime detection, feel free to use it, if it cant  you need to leave neon off18:55
qengho_ogra_: right, I knew we had to support non-neon hardware. I thought we could also support neon features somehow, but I'm discovering it's not possible right now.18:57
ogra_well, i thought there was a patch fro runtime detection in the package18:57
ogra_to use hwcaps18:58
qengho_ogra_: something else broke at compiletime.18:58
qengho_ogra_: upstream added a "neon is optional" flag, but it doesn't do what I expected.18:59
gregier_hi I am looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-themes/+bug/1171587 and was hoping for some help in getting the CSS fixed18:59
ubot2`Ubuntu bug 1171587 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu) "update to GTK 3.9 and the issues to resolve for it" [Wishlist,New]18:59
gregier_I tried to just apply the same basic change that was done in Adwaita but it just makes it worse19:01
xnoxAlanBell: yes, and there is already a bug about audio description of those.19:29
xnoxAlanBell: if there is an api to supress announcing them in gtk+, I am all ears =)19:30
AlanBellthanks xnox, I was just trying to figure out where all the announcements were coming from19:44
AlanBellI have no idea how to surpress them, sorry19:44
xnoxAlanBell: your guess is correct, the dots are progressbars and are announce 0->100% with a generated name "gtkprogressbar2"19:47
xnoxIs compiz under daily release?19:47
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