[00:00] I can manually log in guest session fine [00:00] hrm, those don't feel like they would be fatal.. [00:01] x-0.log doesn't ring bells either: http://pastebin.com/7pb9jKEn [00:02] I can start with a clean slate if needs be (made a backup of original) [00:03] kieppie: is there anything in dmesg? [00:04] init: lightdm main process (1005) terminated with status 1 [00:12] *sigh* of course the lightdm manpage doesn't describe what the return values mean. [00:15] yea... [00:16] sarnold: changed it a bit: http://pastebin.com/H6V1PHr8 [00:16] same result - no dice [00:21] kieppie: I wonder if you have to use guest-session instead of autologin-session ... [00:21] kieppie: is lightdm-autologin one of the sessions in /usr/share/xsessions ? [00:21] "guest-session=lightdm-autologin" <-? [00:22] xfce.desktop xubuntu.desktop [00:22] kieppie: .. I think anything with *-session= ... requires a matching file in /usr/share/xsessions/ [00:22] ok [00:22] will try [00:23] makes sense [00:25] I've tried setting "autologin-session=xubuntu", but still nothing [00:25] :( [00:25] oooh! [00:25] set login time=0 [00:25] :) [00:26] autologin-user-timeout=0 [00:26] had it at 2, for testing [00:26] looks good now, thanks [00:26] :) [00:26] kieppie: oh! woo. :) [00:26] cheers [00:26] thanks for your help [00:27] you're welcome :) [00:49] so I'm trying to figure out what process owns a pop up window and when I run xwininfo it seems to lock the focus... can't alt tab back to the window to click on it... is there a way to break the lock? [00:57] ok... what on earth is gnome-settings-daemon and why is it running? udisks is supposed to handle auto mounting isn't it? [00:59] psusi: gnome-settings-daemon does all sorts of other stuff [01:00] RAOF, why is it trying to handle auto mounting? that's what we have udisks for? and why is it trying to do "all sorts of other stuff"? HAL tried to do that and failed... [01:01] You need to have a user daemon to handle auto-mounting, not least because it's going to need to prompt in some cases. [01:02] that's what udisks is for isn't it? [01:02] g-s-d is basically the running-in-user's-X11-session bit of a bunch of infrastructure. [01:02] Correct me if I'm wrong, but udisks is a system daemon? [01:03] g-s-d is *using* udisks for mounting IIRC, but you do need a user-session component to do the user interaction bits. [01:05] seems like udisks should be doing that... but my problem is that when I run the parted test suite, even with udisks --inhibit running, it seems that this gnome-settings automount stuff is still trying to fiddle with the short lived test devices created, and pops up a bunch of errors [01:06] presumably because the devices are only created for a moment for a specific parted test, then destroyed, and gsd is racing with the descruction [01:22] is there a manual for gnome-settings-daemon somewhere? I can't even find a page about it on developer.gnome.org [01:34] I'm getting the feeling that this thing is actually debian home grown and not part of gnome at all... its README file is emtpy, its COPYING file says it's owned by the FSF, but isn't listed on either the gnu or nongnu savannah... there's no website header in the package control file, and the project page on launchpad is just a placeholder... where the heck does this thing come from? [01:56] hi there [02:04] psusi: https://github.com/GNOME/gnome-settings-daemon ? [02:04] First google result (at least for me) [02:04] RAOF, yea, that's about all I could find too... but what's it doing there? if it's really part of GNOME, shouldn't it be on the gnome web site? [02:06] it's readme file is also empty [02:08] psusi: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/ would be more canonical ☺ [02:09] I'm starting to hate gnome's web site.. I can never seem to find anything useful on it [02:21] the automount helper has been removed from 3.8 [02:30] it is now handled in gnome-shell, which won't help your issue psusi, but might explain why you wont find anything on the website === bratsche_ is now known as bratsche === thumper is now known as thumper-afk [05:08] Good morning [06:14] hey Mirv! how were your holidays? (welcome back ;)) [06:22] aloha [06:24] hey czajkowski, how are you? [06:30] didrocks: thanks! :) excellent, as to be expected. [06:30] Mirv: did you travel a little bit or stayed at home? [06:30] didrocks: traveled domestically and met friends, not that much staying at home [06:31] didrocks: some generic otto/lxc problems around I think? (trying to decipher logs) [06:31] Mirv: it's weird, indeed, first time I'm seeing that, I'll let you know :) [06:32] Mirv: once that's settled back, do you mind taking (apart from Mir that I'm dealing with those days) sil2100's stacks? [06:32] didrocks: ok, sil2100's other stacks were qa, misc, oif, unity [06:32] Mirv: exactly, thanks! :) [06:33] Mirv: I'll tell you about the otto's issue (will have a look in ~30 minutes), and will catch up with you on what I had to do on the Qt side due to signon [06:33] meanwhile, you still have time to go through all emails, good luck! ;) [06:34] didrocks: good running saucy on my new laptop :) [06:34] czajkowski: sweet :) [06:34] yeah looks good, few bugs on install but nothing bad [06:34] using it as main work machine :) [06:39] great ;) [06:40] few compiz crahes and U1 being odd, but overall happy [06:40] except can you explain the scopes :) [06:40] I searched for chromium and assumed it'd show up even though not installed [06:40] and nothing even nder applications [06:43] hum, it should be under applications [06:43] otherwise, that's a bug [06:44] (that part didn't change) [06:44] filed a bug :) [06:44] thx! [06:44] even had Laney in front of me checking it [06:45] didrocks: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1196051 [06:45] Ubuntu bug 1196051 in unity (Ubuntu) "smart scope does not return uninstalled suggestions" [Undecided,New] [06:46] czajkowski: thanks, I'll let mhr3 knows [06:46] np [06:46] right off to europython toodles [07:13] salut jibel, ça va? [07:13] Salut didrocks , ça va et toi? [07:13] hey didrocks [07:14] jibel: ça va, week-end chargé, mais première semaine + "normale" maintenant :) [07:14] hey darkxst! [07:15] didrocks, some stacks (media, unity) are stuck since yesterday apparently [07:16] jibel: they are not anymore, the platform stacks blocked waiting on powerpc, I'm unsure why though [07:34] seb128, know anyone with a wacom? [07:35] good morning desktopers [07:35] seb128: Good morning! [07:35] darkxst, no [07:35] RAOF, hey, how are you? [07:36] seb128, ok, wacom panel builds ok, but I can't actually test it [07:36] seb128: I be fne. [07:36] Or even fine. [07:37] RAOF, ;-) [07:37] seb128, that is when mixing g-s-d 3.8 [07:37] darkxst, ok, maybe do a call for testing on the desktop list? [07:37] RAOF, did you have a chance to test the new xorg? [07:38] seb128: Indeed I did. There's one xmir-related crash on my intel/ati hybrid, but apart from that there's no blockers for 1.14 [07:44] RAOF, ok, is that issue new with the xorg update? we should probably wait to have it fixed before landing the update if that's the case... did you file a bug about it or let mlankhorst know? [07:44] seb128: It's a bug in my patches for -ati, or at least a new interaction between them. [07:45] I've pinged mlankhorst; you should be able to go ahead with the 1.14 rollout shortly, though. [07:46] * RAOF [07:46] * RAOF → Zoë bath [07:47] RAOF, ok, thanks [07:47] RAOF, have fun with the baby bath ;-) [07:57] good morning everyone [08:02] morning [08:07] chrisccoulson, Laney: hey, how are you? had a good w.e? [08:08] hey chrisccoulson, Laney! [08:08] hey seb128, good thank you - very busy with going to london and then outdoors climbing yesterday [08:08] hey didrocks [08:08] good weekends too? [08:08] oh, you went to London? [08:09] yeah for an event that czajkowski organised [08:09] was fun [08:09] Laney: quite a good one, yeah, just married (civil part) :) [08:09] AlanBell demoed installing saucy with a screen reader ;-) [08:09] ...which could be smoother [08:09] didrocks: ah wow, congrats! [08:10] when's the party part? :P [08:10] Laney: by smoother you do mean you want to mute it also! [08:10] Laney: well, after the religious one (but in october) :) [08:10] ah, cool [08:10] and thanks :) [08:11] (btw gsettings-qt autolanding is a bit crazy atm :P) [08:11] didrocks: you got married at the weekend? congrats!! [08:11] czajkowski: thanks :) [08:11] :D [08:11] Laney: it's because the whitelist wasn't asked to be updated [08:12] Laney: you know the last part: -> copy to distro [08:12] there is a whitelist barrier [08:12] and it needs to be refreshed when we add components [08:12] as per the FAQ ;) [08:12] and it wasn't done, so latest trunk -> not in distro [08:12] and so daily [08:12] KENNNNNNNNNN! [08:12] yep :) [08:13] he asked me this night to update it [08:13] ah cool [08:13] I've done it, hence the landing today (as the whitelist is refreshed) [08:13] * Laney checks distro [08:13] indeed it is [08:15] czajkowski: how's florence? [08:15] hi seb128, didrocks, Laney [08:15] ahoy thar [08:15] seb128, yeah, i'm not too bad thanks. did some tidying in our garden [08:15] how are you? [08:16] i'm pretty annoyed about mozilla bug 888840 [08:16] I'm good thanks [08:16] Mozilla bug 888840 in General "Unable to access crash reports from Ubuntu builds of Firefox beta" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=888840 [08:16] Laney: rather warm :) but lovely [08:16] pitti, is there anything that needs to happen to make apport retrace firefox crashes correctly? [08:17] altough my flight yesterday wasn an ordeal I do not want to relive, it was over booked, and needed people to get off the plane and people needed to get to Florence, waited 90+ mins security called as people got a bit cranky. [08:17] also forgot how much eastern europeans smoke so much, many of the evnet is outdoors and lots of smoking feels very odd [08:18] yeah you quickly get used to its absence [08:18] I have however spent the last 15 mins showing off Ubuntu on the new sexy beast laptop :) and no crashes! [08:18] woo [08:18] chrisccoulson: not sure, it's supposed to work already, provided that the debug symbols work [08:19] hey pitti, how's it going? [08:19] pitti, bug 1195685 didn't seem to work [08:19] i think there's another one from the weekend too but i can't find it now [08:19] Laney: yeah, I will probably go through the screen reader install slowly and report all the bugs again [08:20] AlanBell: slowly, surely you dont want more torture! [08:20] AlanBell: Do we have any manual tests for that on e.g. the iso tracker? [08:20] yeah, I wrote some, I will go find it . . . [08:20] hey Laney; great, thanks; and you? [08:21] ah yes, as run-once [08:21] pitti: good! My trip bouldering outdoors has reminded me of the importance of regular training :P [08:21] chrisccoulson: hm, no error messages in the retracer log either :/ [08:22] chrisccoulson: I keep the tab open and will try locally [08:22] :( [08:22] pitti, thanks [08:23] pitti, 1 more thing - would there be anything preventing the most recent pkg-create-dbgsyms from working on other releases? (ie, if i were to use it in my PPA's for everything back to precise in order to save some space) [08:23] Laney: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1309/info [08:23] yeah, found it [08:24] pitti, hey [08:24] chrisccoulson: no, should be fine to backport to any ubuntu release [08:24] bonjour seb128 [08:24] pitti, excellent, thanks [08:25] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/270/builds/47791/testcases/1309/results is in fact the place to report results I think [08:25] well, it only tests that the procedure works - not really about the quality of the experience [08:25] first things first [08:25] pitti: so ... I was hoping you'd know about this [08:26] Quite often when I boot my laptop the permissions on /run/user/blah/pulse are wrong - it gets root:root. [08:26] is that a known bug and if not where do you think the blame might lie? :-) [08:27] czajkowski: the voice quality can be significantly improved by plugging in a different speech synthesizer but the one that fits on the disk does multiple languages and can be speeded up a lot which regular users like [08:28] Laney: hm, never heard about it so far; the dir has a "pid" file, does that actually point to a pulse daemon which belongs to root? [08:28] AlanBell: nods [08:28] it is also possible to redirect the output to a text file rather than a synth, I might do that to get a transcript of the install process [08:28] Laney: and all other files in /run/user/1000 have correct owner? [08:29] I don't think a daemon was running [08:29] let me restart and see if it happens again, one second [08:35] grr, can't repro it [08:37] oh well, I'll keep an eye out [08:37] where do I go again to get my workspaces back :( [08:38] appearance [08:38] Laney: perhaps something started pulseaudio through sudo? [08:38] pitti: can't think what I would have done like that... it happened two or three times [08:38] * czajkowski hugs Laney [08:38] thank you [08:46] Mirv, hey, welcome back! [08:47] Mirv, do you plan to land qtsystems to saucy soon? ;-) (we need it for system settings) [08:48] every tie I read Mirv I read it as Mir [08:48] *time [08:49] ;-) [08:50] I lost clock and battery in indicator-applet [08:50] * Laney reports [08:53] Laney: my laptop "lost" battery indicator sometime in raring. [08:53] well I get it in a (unity) guest session [08:53] awesome [08:54] but whatever update I did towards the end of last week broke it in indicator-applet :-) [09:00] Laney, I doubt anyone will want to port indicator-applet to gmenumodel based indicators [09:00] well, anyone in our indicator team [09:00] maybe community will pick it up [09:01] it broke those in unity-greeter though, which we probably need to pick (and ubiquity might be in a similar case) [09:01] need to ping larsu about that when he gets online [09:03] seb128: I guess not [09:03] seb128: hi, thanks! yes, that's the next one after I get qtfeedback in first. I know systems is wanted as well, [09:04] Mirv, ok, great, thanks (I've been using the ppa version and it works fine for me ;-) [09:08] seb128: hmm.... is there a mail or something to read about gmenumodel based indicators? [09:10] xnox, not sure, https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/libindicator/add-indicator-ng/+merge/143934 probably has some details [09:10] better to ask larsu when he's around later [09:10] xnox, https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1mNHOaBJVKRxqRcUkT0vvF5_1H-wG_IM8IQGxoPSXk-M/edit as well [09:11] seb128: thanks. enough details for now =) [09:11] xnox, I guess if that was in the perspective of porting ubiquity, https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/unity/support-indicator-ng/+merge/149136 is better [09:11] that's the unity-panel-service support, and it's small [09:12] in fact seems like the protocol is fine, what is changing is just how they get listed/loaded [09:15] * larsu can't sleep :-/ [09:15] seb128: morning [09:16] larsu, hey, you should be sleeping! [09:16] seb128: ya, doesn't work for some reason... [09:16] larsu, happy monday [09:16] get some tea ;-) [09:16] so I guess I'll just do what pitti does usually and get up now [09:16] hey larsu [09:16] seb128: happy canada day! ;) [09:16] ;-) [09:17] pitti: hi! wie geht's? [09:17] larsu: prima, danke! und Dir? (abgesehen von Insomnia..) [09:17] pitti: pretty good as well. Visited Niagara on the weekend [09:17] oh, nice [09:18] is that as impressive to see that it looks like it would on TV? ;-) [09:18] more impressive :) [09:18] it really is very cool [09:18] great ;-) [09:18] niice [09:18] but the city is very touristy [09:19] * larsu got to change the lights shining on the falls [09:19] I met a guy in Toronto who introduced me to the guys operating them [09:19] lol, I was trying to figure out the joke there :p [09:20] you actually did change the lights then ;-) [09:20] ya [09:20] it was pretty cool [09:20] sounds like a great w.e trip [09:20] * seb128 is a bit jealous [09:20] :) [09:21] I'm moving back on the weekend btw [09:21] makes me a bit sad... [09:21] oh, already, I though you would come back around the end of the month [09:21] are you going to Berlin? [09:21] yep [09:22] seems like your body is already putting you back on local time :p [09:23] haha, projected jet lag! [09:23] seb128: so I found that indicator-session bug last night... [09:23] larsu, I saw that, I approved your MR this morning, great work! [09:24] dholbach seems to have confirmed that the fix works for him [09:24] it's really neat, leaking a couple of thousand objects, each connecting to a single notify signal [09:24] I somewhat don't get the bug here, not sure why [09:24] ah, I see [09:24] larsu: thanks for filing my swap this morning btw :) [09:24] seb128: change your real name a couple of times, you'lll get it ;) [09:24] it needed to be checked that it's still working :p [09:24] didrocks: lol, not my bug ;) [09:24] larsu, well I doubt you guys changed your name and a bunch of you ran into it... ;-) [09:25] well, I just got lucky I guess [09:25] larsu: you can still call it a benchmark, or robustness testing :p [09:26] seb128: it happens when anything in accountsservice changes. I'm guessing the new accountsservice notifies more often or about more things, otherwise we'd have seen this bug much sooner [09:26] didrocks: lol [09:26] right [09:27] anyway, it's good that it's fixed, even though that code will be replaced [09:27] larsu, new accountsservice keeps track/publish a login "journal" [09:27] interesting === tkamppeter__ is now known as tkamppeter [09:27] does it expose that through the properties of a user object? [09:27] the GNOME guys show an history of users login in the control-center with it [09:28] larsu: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/accountsservice/commit/?id=a30ac649fb83de8b1706d1b8bf4cee193c81b706 [09:28] larsu, seems so yes [09:28] yep, looks like it [09:28] but this probably only changes when logging in, right [09:29] well anyway, you found and fixed the leak [09:29] so all good ;-) [09:29] yep :) [09:29] this gets auto-released, right? [09:29] (once it merges) [09:29] larsu, btw, not sure if you read backlog, we need indicator-ng support in unity-greeter [09:29] I know [09:29] larsu, yes, didrocks is already on it [09:30] the new indicators landed too early [09:30] is there anyone scheduled to work on the greeter? [09:30] if not, I can do it today [09:30] probably less than a day's work [09:30] if you could that would be nice [09:30] mterry is working on the phablet greeter nowadays [09:31] I don't think anyone is still working on unity-greeter for desktop [09:31] no problem, will do [09:32] thanks ;-) [09:32] seb128: and in addition to "[calendar]" in the datetime-indicator, is it also noticed that indicators are now out-of-order with date-time left-most instead of second from the right? [09:33] xnox, there is a merge request up waiting to be reviewed to fix that [09:33] cool. [09:33] xnox, but it needed changes to libindicator first then the unity side, we just went for the easy fix on friday [09:34] xnox: sorry about all of that. The new indicator branches landed without anyone testing them (or asking me...) [09:34] xnox, [calendar] should be fixed with the unity update from friday, restart unity-panel-service [09:35] larsu: next time leave a broken unit test ;-) [09:36] heh === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr [09:59] larsu: btw, my gsettings-qt breakage was caused by using 5.1.0 packages from ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-beta-proper [09:59] totally forgot I even had that ... [10:02] Laney: good to know. I hope that patch makes it into a release soon, there seem to be quite a few ppas that don't have it floating around... [10:02] I don't even know why I wanted the PPA so just got rid of it now :-) [10:09] didrocks, do you know if there an issue with the merger? I find it weird that the indicator-session mr didn't get jenkins/merger comments yet, when the indicator-power one that was approved after it got merged since [10:09] seb128: yeah, no idea, I find it weird too [10:09] seb128: sometimes, I had to ping mmrazik [10:09] who would know? fginther? [10:09] yep, fghinter now [10:10] fginther, hey, can you help with merge weirdnesses? [10:17] larsu, hum, either your ordering fix doesn't work or I did something wrong (I built libindicator from trunk and applied to a local build of http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~larsu/unity/call-ido-init/revision/3389 and run that unity-panel-service) [10:17] larsu, with that I still get the power and datetime on the left [10:18] seb128: so about that... the ordering fix only works for gmenuified indicators that have a "Position=NN" line in their indicator file [10:19] so until we port everything to gmenu the order is going to be wrong? [10:19] yes, but it would be a trivial patches to the old indicators to make them appear right [10:19] I can do that if you feel strongly about it [10:20] in fact, I might because _I_ am annoyed by it :) [10:24] larsu, it breaks muscle memory, I guess I might get used to it by the time it's changed back to be the right order :p [10:25] seb128: haha :D [10:44] Mirv: just keeping you up to date, there are some unknown lxc/permission issues, we are still working with jibel on it and investigating [10:44] (already fixed a change in lightdm impacting us) [10:44] Mirv: so, please, work on the Qt side of things right now until otto is up again [10:45] look at saucy-changes and the upload I've done to unblock the webcreds stack (I didn't backport everything on purpose to trunk when they diverged) [10:48] didrocks, should I just upload manually the indicator-session fix maybe so we don't overload's saucy boxes with dbus spam and high memory usage? [10:48] seb128: I think it's the saner approach (and so please backport the changelog :)) [10:48] didrocks, will do, thanks [10:48] seb128: thanks to you :) [11:04] didrocks: ok, thanks [11:05] qengho_, did you see bug 1196019 [11:05] Launchpad bug 1196019 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "Chromium crashes with the error "Illegal instruction (core dumped)" with the newest apt-get version on Toshiba AC100, lubuntu 13.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1196019 === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:14] err.. [11:14] 2282 martin 20 0 2518m 1,9g 2168 R 97,9 52,8 19:20.50 indicator-sessi [11:14] that's the second time for me that indicator-session goes crazy, uses 100% CPU and eats up RAM [11:15] I guess that's what seb128 was just talking about? [11:15] pitti, cf backlog from 12:48 [11:15] ah, very likely, thanks [11:15] pitti, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-session/12.10.5daily13.06.19-0ubuntu2 [11:15] grab the deb and restart the service [11:17] done, merci [11:17] de rien [11:19] can you use dbus from qml directly or is that a C++y thing? [11:20] Laney, I don't think you can no :/ [11:21] mmm [11:21] didrocks: FYI u1db-qt would be wanted to saucy / daily release, I think it hasn't yet been on our radar [11:22] or well, no updates in 1.5 months, but an upload at least [12:14] Mirv: I'm not sure the u1 team is following our daily release process, mind checking with them if they want it? (and if so, sanitazing the package?) [12:26] didrocks: yeah, I'll contact them [12:26] thanks! [12:27] Mirv: FYI, the otto issue is an lxc kernel regression on saucy, we downgraded it and now running the tests [12:27] Mirv: then, I'll give you back the control for packaging review and publishing :) [12:29] ok, sounds good, or not good that a regression slipped in but otherwise [12:30] Mirv: well, still good that it's workarounded already and we are unblocked :) [12:30] QA tests successfully passed and published [12:30] running platform now === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:35] Mirv: we can force the publication in the platform stack, the failing tests are issues that are fixed in latest unity autopilot tests (but not published yet) [12:35] Mirv: timing issues only impacting one machine [12:35] so running platform once, without "force" mode [12:35] to see if we have packaging changes [12:36] and running the sdk stack at the same time [12:39] platform published [12:41] seb128: thanks for backporting that indicator-session fix so quickly! [12:41] Mirv: so, a lot of tests failures (10 on each config), I let you dealing that with the sdk guys? [12:41] larsu, thank for the quick fixing! ;-) [12:42] seb128: are all changelogs backported to trunk? I want to try a rebuild for indicators and unity [12:42] larsu, I'm trying to keep saucy users happy, it makes things harder for everybody when people are reluctant to run the current distro because it's known to be buggy [12:42] didrocks, they all have MR pendings, indicator-session seems to not get along with jenkins/merger though [12:42] didrocks, fginther didn't ping me back yet [12:43] seb128: the others are approved or do you need a silly approval? :) [12:43] seb128: right, that was my motivation for fixing it last night [12:43] didrocks, they are approved, but see e.g https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/indicator-session/backport-manual-upload/+merge/172306 [12:43] didrocks, it's "sitting there", no jenkins/no merge [12:43] seb128: yeah, those should be fastracked… [12:43] I saw some people mentionning jenkins issues as well [12:43] gra, on this one larsu didn't change the mr status [12:44] (no issues for dailies though) [12:44] but it will block anyway since the pre-required branch is not merged yet [12:44] larsu: !! [12:44] didrocks: ok, getting someone to look at those [12:44] Mirv: thx ;) [12:45] seb128: jenkins hadn't run through yet [12:45] should I change now? [12:45] larsu: pfff, you are sooooo late :p [12:45] larsu, it still didn't run through your fix from yesterday, not sure what's wrong there... [12:45] didrocks: haha, "Approved by: Didier Roche 54 seconds ago" [12:46] * larsu is too tired to act fast :P [12:57] Mirv: do you mind telling me if we can publish the apps stack? all tests pass but as the sdk one failed to pass tests (if we can publish it without latest sdk) [13:03]