[02:34] <smartboyhw> Good morning Noskcaj
[02:42] <Noskcaj> afternoon smartboyhw
[05:08] <pitti> Good morning
[06:55] <smartboyhw> pitti, when can you finish the questions and e-mail it to me? :)
[06:55] <pitti> smartboyhw: certainly this week
[06:55] <smartboyhw> pitti, alright, thanks!
[07:29] <DanChapman> Good Morning :-)
[07:34] <smartboyhw> Hello DanChapman.
[12:54] <smartboyhw> Guys, classroom session coming up in 7 minutes!
[13:02] <smartboyhw> DanChapman, hey, my sesssion starts now!
[13:03] <DanChapman> ok 2 see you there
[13:07] <njin> balloons, hallo bad guy, can  have the right link for xmir testing ?
[13:10] <DanChapman> njin, THis one to install MIR http://unity.ubuntu.com/mir/installing_prebuilt_on_pc.html and this one is the testcase http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/298/builds/47541/downloads
[13:14] <njin> DanChapman, thnaks
[13:14] <njin> thanks
[14:13] <phillw> smartboyhw / balloons sorry for not being there for the classroom sessin. The computer at my Dad's works has died (hard dsk failure).
[14:13] <smartboyhw> phillw, balloons isn't also:P
[14:13]  * balloons notes he is hiding
[14:47] <balloons> phillw, are you still here?
[15:04] <DanChapman> hey balloons :-)
[15:04] <balloons> Hey DanChapman
[15:04] <balloons> welcome to July my friend :-)
[15:05] <DanChapman> Is it july already??..... :-0 so it is!!
[15:06] <balloons> indeed!
[15:06] <knome> happy july
[15:07] <balloons> hello knome!
[15:08] <DanChapman> balloons did you see the 2 bugs I added today for screenshot and evince?
[15:09] <balloons> DanChapman, why yes they're right on top :-)
[15:09] <DanChapman> they passed ok if you run them seperately but if you ran the whole suite of tests together they have a meltdown.
[15:10] <balloons> wild.. and that's production, so that's no good :-(
[15:10] <balloons> do you have a moment to take a look at them?
[15:12] <DanChapman> Yeah no problem at all :-)
[15:13] <balloons> sweet. I imagine with pitti's fixes we might be able to do some things better now
[15:22] <smartboyhw> Happy July philipballew DanChapman balloons knome
[15:24] <philipballew> smartboyhw, Thank you
[15:24] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:24] <smartboyhw> And phillw and elfy
[15:41] <elopio> ping balloons. Juhapekka is on holidays this week. Can you get another person from the sdk team to review the two pending branches?
[15:41] <balloons> elopio, ping me again in 5 :-)
[15:41] <balloons> elopio, sure though.. We can ask Florian for help
[15:42] <balloons> elopio, Kaleo = Florian. Let me introduce you
[15:43] <elopio> that'd be great. I know nobody from those projects, it feels for me like they come from a separate company :)
[15:44] <balloons> intros have been made irc style :-)
[15:44] <smartboyhw> balloons, LOL
[15:47] <balloons> smartboyhw, I marked your work item done in the blueprint for the classroom session :-)
[15:47] <balloons> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-s-quality-growth
[15:47] <smartboyhw> balloons, thx
[16:21] <phillw> balloons: I'm just in the initial stages of installing a brand new Win 8 desktop machine.... Hmm, this is *fun* :/
[16:21] <balloons> phillw, I just wanted to share there's a fb page now :-) http://www.facebook.com/UbuntuQuality
[16:22] <balloons> I thought you might be especially keen.. Seems fb lets you have org pages, and since not everyone uses g+, well, it made sense to have the more timely content appear on facebook as well
[16:23] <smartboyhw> phillw: Use Win 8.1
[16:37] <balloons> elopio, cool, so you got one review in? :-) Also, did you see the link I sent about adding in slider functions?
[16:38] <elopio> balloons: yes, lets see if the lander bot doesn't complaint about the 'needs information' comment.
[16:39] <elopio> and I saw your email, I have here on my TODO for this week.
[16:39] <balloons> :-)
[16:39] <elopio> on friday I tried to make an emulator for the popover, but found nothing really worth it there.
[16:40] <elopio> I think a better approach would be to start writing emulators for the gallery project in ubuntu-ui-toolkit.
[16:47] <balloons> gallery project?
[16:48] <elopio> balloons: yes, there's a gallery of the components provided by the ui-toolkit.
[16:48] <elopio> with tests
[16:49] <elopio> I think I can use that to find some common things that will be useful as emulators.
[16:49] <balloons> ahh, tocha
[17:07] <chilicuil> balloons: help =), I was in the middle of my classroom session and ClassBot removed me the voice, my session was suppose to last 1 hour but it only let me write 30 minutes
[17:07] <balloons> chilicuil, ahh!
[17:07] <balloons> sure thing
[17:25] <zyga> anyone interested in reviewing a small bith of plainbox code: https://code.launchpad.net/~zkrynicki/checkbox/signal/+merge/172367
[17:45] <juggle> hi
[17:45] <juggle> i want to run test -cases
[17:46] <juggle> but i dont know the steps for that
[17:46] <juggle> where do i start ?
[17:46] <juggle> i signed on launchpad
[17:46] <juggle> installed bzr
[17:47] <juggle> and downloading 13.10 daily build of ubuntu
[17:47] <balloons> juggle, ok so if you want to run testcases and report results, you can do so using the qatracker
[17:48] <balloons> let me send you a few links to help you get started
[17:48] <juggle> ok i am waiting for links, thanks for your help
[17:49] <balloons> This is the QATeam wiki page if you haven't seen it :-) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam
[17:49] <balloons> Here
[17:49] <balloons> Here's the page you need on the qatracker: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/QATracker
[17:50] <balloons> This week is week 2 for our cadence testing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Cadence/Saucy/Week2
[17:50] <balloons> So basically there are 2 basic things to test.. an image or a package
[17:51] <balloons> once you've downloaded the image you can test it using the testcases found here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/270/builds
[17:51] <balloons> there are links at the top of the page that will help you
[17:51] <balloons> If you like video explanations, your still in luck: http://www.youtube.com/qualitybecomesyou
[17:52] <juggle> ok i joined the ubuntu quality team on launchpad
[17:52] <juggle>  i will continue with other links
[17:54] <balloons> perfect, just ping if you get stuck anywhere or something is confusing :-)
[17:54] <juggle> ok i will do :)
[17:54] <balloons> if no one is around, feel free to pm me anytime
[17:54] <balloons> i'll get the message whenever I'm around again and follow-up with you
[17:57] <juggle> ok, thank you
[18:04] <elfy> evening
[18:05] <balloons> evening elfy
[18:05] <juggle> evening elfy
[18:06] <phillw> balloons: you have email :)
[18:06] <balloons> phillw, I saw the fb post..
[18:06] <balloons> we know have a better outlet for everyone to discuss since there is an org page
[18:07] <balloons> afaik.. ali is also a part of the new org page as an admin.. But since I have access to a presence on fb now I can share with everyone :-)
[18:07] <balloons> I assume it's similar to a community vs a page on g+
[18:09] <phillw> balloons: do you want me tell everyone to move>?
[18:09] <phillw> - >
[18:10] <balloons> phillw, no no, as far as I understand it everything is as it should be. The difference is one is an organization page vs a community page. You can't "join" the org page
[18:10] <phillw> fb will be the death of  me! :P
[18:10] <balloons> but it should mean the stuff being posted about what's going on in quality can now be easily shared with the community and discussed
[18:11] <balloons> phillw, lol.. ali is perhaps the best one to explain it
[18:11] <balloons> he's happy seemingly with the addition, so I consider it a good thing
[18:11] <phillw> I'll leave all that stuff to him :)
[18:11] <balloons> :-)
[18:12] <phillw> he's admin on the community page as well, so can tweak settings as needed :)
[18:12] <juggle> is it ok to install saucy salamender release on virtualbox
[18:19] <balloons> juggle, indeed. In fact there's a neat tool called testdrive that helps with this
[18:20] <balloons> juggle, we just had a session on it; http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/06/29/%23ubuntu-classroom.html#t20:31
[18:20] <balloons> have a read through :-)
[18:25] <juggle> i read, first i will install saucy salamender on virtualbox then i will install testdrive on virtualbox right?
[18:28] <chilicuil> juggle: no, testdrive can be installed in your hardware machine, it will launch virtualbox with the most recent ubuntu development version
[18:29] <juggle> got that now, thank you chilicuil
[18:29] <juggle> i am installing testdrive now
[18:32] <juggle> how to add existing installed iso to the testdrive ?
[18:32] <juggle> add ISO button is disabled on it
[18:33] <juggle> Sync button seams to install full iso again right ?
[18:35] <balloons> juggle, if you manually downloaded an iso and want to add it to the cache check the cache folder
[18:38] <juggle> ok i guess it will be possible with File + Open and selecting the iso
[19:28] <DanChapman> balloons, ping
[19:28] <balloons> DanChapman, pong
[19:28]  * balloons notes ping pong is fun
[19:30] <DanChapman> balloons, :-) i've added a comment to the evince bug rather than right an article here. Can you take a look for me https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-autopilot-tests/+bug/1196535
[19:33] <balloons> DanChapman, I have the answer to that actually
[19:33] <balloons> we should just include the test pdf in the branch
[19:33] <balloons> add it to the source directly and use it
[19:33] <balloons> make sense?
[19:34] <DanChapman> thats a good idea balloons !!!
[19:34] <balloons> I know we make many temp files, but I'm thinking adding the files needed to the source directly is probably the better way to go :-)
[19:34] <DanChapman> :-D
[19:34] <balloons> you live, you learn :-p
[19:34] <DanChapman> I agree
[19:36] <DanChapman> RIght well i'm calling it a day for today, but i will get them done tomorrow. Also do you want ubiquity in the production branch?
[19:40] <xnox> DanChapman: we want ubiquity tests in lp:ubiquity as that's where it's developed. unlike other projects, ubiquity is ubuntu-upstream =)
[20:21] <balloons> DanChapman, what xnox said :-) Same as with the core-apps, since we have the upstream available to us, let's push them there :-)
[20:27] <balloons> DanChapman, that said, it will most certainly be a part of the smoke testing, so if it's ready, let's get it committed and get it added in :-)
[20:51] <balloons> Letozaf_, Noskcaj evening and morning to you
[20:51] <Noskcaj> morning balloons
[20:51] <Noskcaj> i've made (slight) progress in getting a testdrive hangout.
[20:51] <balloons> i was just looking at that this morning
[20:52] <balloons> what news do you have?
[20:52] <Noskcaj> Dustin supports the idea, he just needs a time that howard  and i will be online. Andres still ignores me
[20:54] <balloons> elopio, so are we stuck waiting a week for the second part of the merge? I see the toolbar and tabs pieces went in. Where does that leave us in the meantime? Should we keep with the status quo for now?
[20:55] <balloons> Noskcaj, ahh.. well, 1 dev is all you need, so :-)
[20:55] <elopio> balloons: just the toolbar landed. The second branch is the tabs.
[20:55] <elopio> and we first have to wait for this to be packaged and released on the ppa.
[20:56] <Letozaf_> balloons, hello
[20:56] <balloons> ok, so status quo probably for another week.. :-( Kind of makes me sad but I know you'll keep hacking away making the initial version just that much better :-)
[20:57] <elopio> balloons: I can also update some existing tests. For example, the ones in the files app just use the toolbar.
[20:57] <balloons> Letozaf_, hope you've been enjoying some time away it sounds like ;-)
[20:57] <balloons> ohh.. I didn't think any were that simple :-)
[20:57] <Letozaf_> balloons, yeah, pitty holidays are ended :)
[20:57] <Letozaf_> balloons, anyway the fun is here now :)
[20:58] <elopio> and we can extend the number of custom emulators this week, so Juhapekka gets to just review.
[20:58] <elopio> there's no time lost :)
[20:58] <balloons> elopio, right you are
[21:01]  * Letozaf_ realizes it's late ... wow, see you guys tomorrow :p
[21:07] <balloons> knome, this looks neat: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylebot/oiaejidbmkiecgbjeifoejpgmdaleoha?hl=en
[21:09] <knome> balloons, i'm using both the web developer and firebug extensions for FF which pretty much both do that and more :)
[21:10] <balloons> knome, I figured.. just thought.. hmm.. a novel idea, I'm guessing knome does this and a lot more
[21:11] <knome> hehe
[21:11] <knome> why doesn't devede support multiple dvd menus :(
[22:54] <slickymaster> @balloons: Hi Nicholas, can I ask you something?
[22:54] <meetingology> slickymaster: Error: "balloons:" is not a valid command.
[22:54] <balloons> slickymaster, go for it
[22:55] <slickymaster> regarding my xfce4 panel testcase. I've been looking to your branch but to be honest I can not say if it's right or not, so I think it would be best just tom push it again
[22:57] <slickymaster> my question is: is there any thing in particular I should do? Or do I simply  push it to my branch?
[23:00] <slickymaster> balloons: I'm not sure if you saw my question
[23:06] <balloons> slickymaster, I have an xfce4panel test branch?
[23:06] <balloons> it's late here :)
[23:06] <balloons> if you want to use code from another branch you can merge it, or just branch it yourself and modify it manually
[23:07] <slickymaster> sorry, over here is almost Tuesday, but since I've been away for two weeks I'm trying to catch up on things
[23:10] <slickymaster> It's a bit confusing. I'm David and I wrote the xfce4 panel testcase that got screwed up because it got out of sync after Jackson giant nerge
[23:11] <slickymaster> and in your last post you advised me to push a new branch to merge it
[23:23] <balloons> slickymaster, ahh.. I'm pretty sure that was all cleared up
[23:23] <balloons> let's just go check shall we?
[23:24] <slickymaster> and how do we do it?
[23:24] <balloons> https://code.launchpad.net/~slickymaster/ubuntu-manual-tests/xfce4panel
[23:24] <balloons> https://code.launchpad.net/~slickymaster/ubuntu-manual-tests/xfce4panel/+merge/169295
[23:25] <balloons> ahh your right I rebased your branch for you
[23:25] <balloons> lol.
[23:25] <balloons> at this point if you know the changes you want to make, grab a fresh branch of the head and make the changes and re-submit the merge request
[23:25] <balloons> slickymaster, ^^
[23:26] <slickymaster> if I understand you correctly, I have to create a new branch and the just have to push my file to. Am I right?
[23:41] <slickymaster> balloons: sorry Nicholas how do I do grad a fresh branch of the head and re-submit the merge request?
[23:42] <balloons> slickymaster, there were edits made to the file made by someone other than you, so bzr wants you to review those edits
[23:43] <balloons> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testcase/ubuntu-manual-tests/trunk/view/head:/testcases/packages/1562_xfce4panel%20tests
[23:43] <balloons> are your edits in there? ^^
[23:43] <balloons> so you can't just push your version as-is.. The rebased version was my attempt to take your edit's and jackon's edits and put them into one file
[23:44] <balloons> I realize this might all be really confusing to you
[23:44] <balloons> so if that's the case, the simple thing to do is pretend nothing happened in the past
[23:44] <slickymaster> no that's a prior version of it
[23:44] <balloons> grab the branch and make your edits again
[23:44] <balloons> submit for a merge
[23:44] <balloons> :-)
[23:45] <slickymaster> that's what I'm not getting. How do I grab the branch?
[23:45] <balloons>      bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual-tests
[23:46] <balloons> this is the version i did
[23:46] <balloons> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/ubuntu-manual-tests/xfce4panel-rebased/view/head:/testcases/packages/1562_xfce4panel%20tests
[23:46] <balloons> if that looks good, then you might be all set
[23:46] <slickymaster> and bzr status? and then bzr commit and after that I just have to,push it, tight?
[23:46] <slickymaster> right?
[23:47] <slickymaster> I think I got it. I'll push it in a few minutes to revision
[23:48] <slickymaster> balloons: thanks a lot for all your help Nicholas
[23:53] <slickymaster> balloons: It's already proposed for merge, Nicholas. Once again I thank you for all your help
[23:54] <balloons> :-)
[23:54] <balloons> excellent
[23:54] <balloons> no porblem slickymaster sorry it turned out to be a bit confusing :-)
[23:54] <balloons> I blame Jackson :-p
[23:54] <slickymaster> balloons: no problem, I got to learns something new
[23:55] <slickymaster> balloons: I'm going to finish xfce4settings testcase by the end of this week, and I'll pick up another one to to after that
[23:56] <balloons> excellent.. welcome back :-)
[23:57] <slickymaster> balloons: see you. best regards