[06:34] <knightwise> hey TheOpenSourcerer
[06:34] <knightwise> how are you today
[06:52] <redtape|renegade> Morning folks !
[06:55] <knightwise> hey redtape|renegade
[06:55] <knightwise> how are you
[06:58] <redtape|renegade> Not too bad .. maybe I will get a £899 macbook air like you said (from PCWorld) .. sometime this month for Ubuntu .. although I hear it works with debian too.
[06:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning all.
[07:00] <redtape|renegade> knightwise: Still there ... | Good morni TheOpenSourcerer .. sour day here weather wise so far.
[07:00] <knightwise> looked sunny when I left , but all cloudy now
[07:00] <knightwise> decided to be bold and throw LMDE on my machine this morning
[07:01] <knightwise> still have to reconfigure the system to get everything working.
[07:01] <redtape|renegade> the macbook air ?
[07:01] <knightwise> nope , on the work machine ,
[07:01] <knightwise> macbook air is running 12.04
[07:01] <redtape|renegade> right oh.
[07:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nice here this morning. Sunshine and quite warm
[07:01] <knightwise> want to give "rolling releases" a try and get a little closer to debian to expand my knowledgebase of OS'es :)
[07:01] <knightwise> morning TheOpenSourcerer
[07:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> \o
[07:03] <knightwise> redtape|renegade: Working on a new podcast episode for tonight "Making your mac slider friendly"
[07:03] <knightwise> where i focus on bringing linux and osx a little closer together
[07:03] <redtape|renegade> knightwise: I dunno if you like looking at 3 days old logs but if you scroll down to 19:38pm (on the log : http://bit.ly/11TBMJQ ) & click the two Links you'll see my new project for Africa.
[07:04] <redtape|renegade> (joint project actually) but I'm paying for it.
[07:05] <knightwise> Arch on a 50 bucks netbook ?
[07:05] <knightwise> Awesome !
[07:06] <redtape|renegade> right but the test machine cost £29.00  Whereas the actual netbooks (v. poss. x150 of them ) are £5 each .... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271221443278&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:GB:1123
[07:07] <redtape|renegade> anyway .. I've said too much ..
[07:08] <redtape|renegade> I'm counting my dinosaurs before they've hatched .. or however it goes .
[07:08] <directhex> redtape|renegade, don't buy a mac for linux. just don't
[07:08] <knightwise> let me know how it workds out
[07:09] <knightwise> directhex: correct there
[07:09] <redtape|renegade> knightwise: Definately.
[07:09] <directhex> e.g. half the ports won't work
[07:09] <knightwise> directhex: As i wrote in my post for HPR : this is no longer the default
[07:09] <knightwise> however on the mb air its screaming fast
[07:09] <redtape|renegade> directhex: Even on debian .. knightwise is that troo.   ?
[07:09] <directhex> redtape|renegade, linux. not ubuntu, not debian, linux
[07:10] <directhex> there are no drivers for lots of apple's shonkiness
[07:10] <directhex> at all
[07:10] <knightwise> I think i bought my last mac (at least for a non production workstation)
[07:10] <knightwise> got a second hand lenovo 11.6 inch couple of months ago
[07:10] <knightwise> now running LMDE on it. Amazing little machine
[07:10] <knightwise> just need to shove an SSD inside it
[07:10] <directhex> you might be okay, as long as you e.g. never want to attach any external displays
[07:11] <redtape|renegade> Right so . just to be certain here before I part with £££'s .. you are telling me that a modern macbook air using debian or Ubuntu is a complete No-No ... ??
[07:11] <redtape|renegade> oh ok . so it may e ok now ?
[07:12] <redtape|renegade> come on ppl .. make yur minds up.
[07:12] <directhex> let me put it this way
[07:12] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: Newest macbooks + latest released ubuntu might be problematic
[07:12] <directhex> i have budget control over IT at my company, and apple hardware is banned
[07:12] <MartijnVdS> directhex: because £ or because Linux?
[07:12] <directhex> i've aready got one person whining "waa waa waa i bought a macbook pro, but it doesn't work for what i need it to do, waa waa waa"
[07:13] <directhex> so wants me to say "oh, never mind, i'm happy to waste £1k5 of my budget to replace it with a lenovo"
[07:13] <directhex> MartijnVdS, the latter
[07:13] <knightwise> redtape|renegade: mine works fine under ubuntu 12.04 but it is a lot of money
[07:13] <redtape|renegade> that sounds more like a company internal issue than a test driven competance test with the macbook air in question.
[07:13] <knightwise> you are perhaps better of buying a different ultrabook from a brand like samsung or acer
[07:14] <knightwise> but they are quite procey too
[07:14] <directhex> you have already made your purchasing decision
[07:14] <directhex> and no amount of us saying "it won't work fully" will change your mind
[07:14] <redtape|renegade> But i want a macbook air .. i <3 them.
[07:14] <directhex> so enjoy your mac
[07:14] <knightwise> redtape|renegade: why not then , the form factor is indeed awesome
[07:14] <knightwise> what OS are you planning on running ?
[07:15] <directhex> there are plenty of ultrabooks on the market with more conventional hardware, i.e. which don't screw up with linux. we've had success with the lenovo x1 carbon
[07:16] <knightwise> lenovo's are indeed quite pretty too
[07:16] <redtape|renegade> I suppose i could back up the macbook air and try it to see .. and if it doesn't work then re-install OSX and get a refund via ebay/paypaL .. i WANT TO RUN 14.04 WHEN IT COMES OUT.
[07:16] <redtape|renegade> soz 4 caps .. oops.
[07:17] <redtape|renegade> I do /perhaps/ also like the idea of a YOGA-S  ,... the orange one .. saw it on youtube 3 months ago.
[07:18] <redtape|renegade> I think it's Lenovo..
[07:18] <knightwise> redtape|renegade: beware . if you want the bleeding edge on apple hardware .. its tricky sometimes
[07:18] <redtape|renegade> but that's only if macbook air is being a silly billy with me.
[07:18] <directhex> windows 8 touchscreens do not work in linux yet
[07:18] <directhex> afaik
[07:18] <directhex> last i checked, there were no drivers
[07:20] <redtape|renegade> oh ok then.  I will await a good blog entry as I scavenge the blogosphere .. (wow I'm using big words at 8am .. must be the Alpen porridge :)  )
[07:21] <redtape|renegade> Do we still adverise Hen-cams on this channel ? (webcams) ..
[07:21] <redtape|renegade> **advertise ..
[07:22] <redtape|renegade> anyway .. let me know when i get back .. yahoo finance has just updated .. my millions in the virtual a/c needs me ..
[07:23] <knightwise> redtape|renegade: you are looking for a good post on how to install ubuntu on a macbook air ?
[07:31] <redtape|renegade> knightwise: I've already seen yours .. thankyou .. I also found the debian version of a similar Ilk  .. but if you see one other than these By all means .. pass it on to me.  :)
[07:41] <redtape|renegade> OT : Just found a new word that seems pertinent. | YUGOSPHERE | Apparently it has been assimilated into the EU as of today .. (i.e. **Croatia** ) ::  яedtape welcomes our new Croatian cousins to Ubuntu ! Hurrah \o/
[07:53] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:54] <diplo> Morning all
[07:54] <redtape|renegade> howdy MooDoo   I see the Pirillo has quietened down since Laaandon..
[07:55] <hoover> good morning
[07:58] <MooDoo> redtape|renegade: yeah not seen a lot, we must of worn him out.
[08:12] <redtape|renegade> .. MooDoo I think he forgets his travels soon enough .. he's 40 AFAIK.
[08:13] <redtape|renegade> Anyway .. I've a Linux Firewall question .. prob.ly won't get anywhere but here goes ..
[08:17] <redtape|renegade> Does anyone know of a 'black box' (lit.) piece of hardware that snoops on all incoming and outgoing traffic on a home computer that you use as a firewall .. As Far As I recall it was called Zorg or Zork (not the game) or something and it was very 'Defcon' like (as in the conference) as it was American .... I'd just ike to know how there product worked out in the end. It basically sniffs out...
[08:17] <redtape|renegade> ...your network. (?)
[08:18] <redtape|renegade> I'm probably cometely 'off' with the name thou
[08:19] <dwatkins> ipcop might do that, redtape|renegade
[08:20]  * redtape|renegade scans for ipcop ..
[08:21] <dwatkins> in any case, you could setup a silent proxy and just log everything, I'm sure there are instructions for that for most firewalls
[08:22] <BigRedS> tcpdump -i eth0 > traffic.log
[08:24] <diplo> Can also use wireshark on the cli as well ?
[08:24] <diplo> Lots of ways
[08:24] <redtape|renegade> mmm-Ok I was looking for that particular hardware company (as I found them in 2006) .. but the WebLink you gave is interesting solution . thanx.
[08:25] <mungbean> did anyone get a message from giffgaff over the weekend saying their payment details has been updated?
[08:29] <redtape|renegade> not me mungbean .. mobiles don't suit the traa-dy-lioarr .. Can't wait till the Über phone takes shape here though.  .. I hear the Ü-tele division is pretty much spun - out .
[08:30] <mungbean> nurse, more pills over here plaese
[08:31] <diplo> mungbean: Nope, had something last week
[08:31] <mungbean> my goodybag recurrence had been turned off
[08:31] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[08:31] <mungbean> i did change my gooddybag last month though
[08:33] <diplo> oh..
[08:33]  * diplo checks his account
[08:33] <diplo> morning brobostigon
[08:33] <brobostigon> morning diplo
[08:34] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:34] <brobostigon> morning czajkowski
[08:35] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:35] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm
[08:36] <diplo> Hmm, looks ok to me mungbean, last updated 17/6 and next one is there ready
[08:36] <mungbean> payhback confuses me
[08:37] <mungbean> i had some to claim, but now it says 0 points (probably for this season) but i didn't claimthe old point yet
[08:37] <diplo> there was an email about that a while ago i think about it being reset ( financial year maybe ? )
[08:38] <mungbean> f you don't make a selection during the selection window, points will roll over to the next points period. If they are not then claimed during the following selection period they will expire.
[08:38] <mungbean> they were in the last period so should be ok
[08:38] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Second Half of the Year Day! :-D
[08:39]  * Laney shivers
[08:39] <xnox> hay fever
[08:40] <BigRedS> JamesTait: that's contrived!
[08:40] <BigRedS> xnox: where were you on saturday! I wanted to grumble about online-accounts and Touch :)
[08:41] <JamesTait> BigRedS, I can't disagree, but that seems to be the general case with these things. ;)
[08:41] <BigRedS> haha, surely *something* more notable is celebrated on the 1st July...
[08:42]  * BigRedS watches as his morning disappears into wikipedia
[08:42] <BigRedS> It's Rwandan independence day
[08:43] <bigcalm> JamesTait: apparently it is Scott and Charlene's silver wedding anniversary. Isn't that a better thing to celebrate today?
[08:45] <JamesTait> bigcalm, for some definition of "better", sure. :)
[08:47] <xnox> BigRedS: I was at http://londoncommunitypride.org/ instead.
[08:48] <xnox> BigRedS: bug you can grumble about online-accounts and Touch to me anyway =)
[08:48] <BigRedS> haha
[08:49] <BigRedS> I've found that if I don't use them they're less irritating :) And my Touch is a community-port installed on broken hardware
[08:49] <BigRedS> so it seems unfair to grumble too much about that :)
[08:50] <czajkowski> BigRedS: morning
[08:50] <czajkowski> you not grumbble
[08:50] <czajkowski> surely not
[08:50] <BigRedS> czajkowski: Goood Morning!
[08:50] <dwatkins> I saw someone grumbling online about a particular company not being at the San Fransisco Pride march, not sure why they expected a software company to be there, though.
[08:50] <czajkowski> xnox: oi you!
[08:51] <BigRedS> czajkowski: I don't *always* grumble! Sometimes I'm using Debian :)
[08:51] <czajkowski> then you grumble elsewhere :)
[08:51] <BigRedS> czajkowski: dammit. rumbled :)
[08:55] <MooDoo> dwatkins: seriously?
[08:56] <dwatkins> MooDoo: yeah, I thought it was a bit pointless to complain like that
[08:56] <MooDoo> dwatkins: +1 sounds daft to me
[08:56] <MooDoo> dwatkins: it's my birthday next year, i'll be well miffed if canonical aren't there. ;)
[08:56] <dwatkins> Since starting to follow Twitter for work, I've learned that people like venting.
[08:57] <BigRedS> haha, I mostly use it to vent
[08:57] <dwatkins> "Curse you $COMPANY, your software doesn't work properly on my 6 year old Windows XP machine" etc.
[08:57] <mungbean> everybody's angry online nowadays
[08:57] <mungbean> twitter more so
[08:57] <dwatkins> indeed, mungbean - it's a minefield
[08:57] <BigRedS> "A bunch of volunteers made this in their spare time and they didn't finish it! The charlatans!"
[08:57] <mungbean> angry liberals are angry
[08:57] <MooDoo> OMG i just installed Ubuntu and there are 400MB of updates, you're software sucks.....
[08:58] <dwatkins> getting annoyed at free software developers is insanely rude, imho
[08:58] <dwatkins> anyway, I have to go see my manager about ciroc classes, back later ;)
[08:58] <mungbean> somebody on Question Time has a different opinion to me. disgusting!
[08:59] <redtape|renegade> OT : I was listening to 'Code Club' of the Ubuntu Uk Podcast last week and found this video ::: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxhGIajRsq4  ::: Don't worry it's safe for work, but best viewed on a bicky-break.
[08:59] <BigRedS> mungbean: to be fair, the only reason to watch QT is to get annoyed at it
[08:59] <BigRedS> it's Jeremy Kyle with the occasional politician
[09:00] <mungbean> i never watch it but jut see angries on twitter ranting
[09:02] <mungbean> politics seems to attract the dullest and the weirdest types
[09:02] <BigRedS> mungbean: its format is very populist - basically they get two opposing-but-not-informed sides to have an argument
[09:02] <BigRedS> with occasional input from a livid audience member
[09:09] <popey> redtape|renegade: I'd not seen that, it's excellent, thanks
[09:11]  * redtape|renegade likes Question Time , except for David Dimleby is a toff.  Does anyone not get 'irked' by him ?  popey, yur welcome ..
[09:15] <popey> xnox: you had lovely weather for it!
[09:18] <xnox> yeah, was good.
[09:22] <redtape|renegade> popey, here's the blog, sorry to leave it out .. ::: http://laurakirsop.com/post/44287953611/still-the-funniest-thing-ever#_=_ :::::
[09:23] <popey> ta
[09:27] <redtape|renegade> bit of an overkill popey, but here's the press review (to put on the back burner) :: http://laurakirsop.com/post/44284927193/press#_=_ :: Right, back to the ironing of anorak/s
[09:58] <mungbean> wow, scp has tab completion on the far host :-|
[10:00] <BigRedS> yeah, i keep being surprised by that
[10:03] <bigcalm> I'm guessing that only works if you're using keys and they are already unlocked
[10:04] <BigRedS> yeah
[10:04] <BigRedS> Or if you've the shared master session thing going on
[10:05] <redtape|renegade> RSS feeds | What happened ? https://twitter.com/ianvisits/status/351290357650178050
[10:05] <czajkowski> davmor2: ello............. so on new install I have some U1 quirks
[10:07] <czajkowski> davmor2: http://ubuntuone.com/3xVucjp27NPPL2EcndZeg2 ever seen something like that
[10:07] <mungbean> BigRedS: probably why i didn't notice
[10:07] <mungbean> before. but when i tabbed it prompted me for the key password in a separate window :)
[10:08] <BigRedS> haha
[10:09] <BigRedS> redtape|renegade: not much happened to RSS. An online RSS reader has been closed down
[10:14] <bigcalm> mgdm: do you know of a Fiona Burrows in the PHP community?
[10:15] <mungbean> anyone know of a HPC cluster admin looking for work?
[10:19] <dwatkins> HPC as in high-performance computing?
[10:19] <dwatkins> Whereabouts, mungbean?
[10:19] <mungbean> london
[10:19] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:19] <mungbean> queue manager, xcat provisioning
[10:19] <mungbean> maybe cloud/openstack in future
[10:20] <dwatkins> aw shame, I'm 450 miles north of there
[10:21] <mungbean> any mailing lists i should publicise it on?
[10:21] <popey> linuxjobs
[10:21] <popey> http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/linuxjobs
[10:22] <mungbean> got a couple of weirdos before apply via there
[10:22] <mungbean> but would try again
[10:22] <popey> hah
[10:22] <mungbean> think i'll investigate hpc lists
[10:22] <mungbean> one guy, all he was interested was how little he could get away with working
[10:22] <mungbean> (he'd probably fit in here)
[10:23] <mungbean> no names metnioned as you might even know some of them
[10:23] <popey> blimey
[10:24] <bigcalm> Wow, my sister is hiding her pregnancy well https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1001157_10152999200325096_1833102372_n.jpg
[10:25] <popey> what, going abroad so you don't see it?
[10:25]  * dwatkins still can't quite believe he got a job through Gumtree
[10:25] <mungbean> a "job"?
[10:25] <mungbean> carrying a "package"?
[10:25] <dwatkins> haha, no, enterprise support job
[10:26] <mungbean> why were you even looking on gumtree for a jbo?
[10:26] <dwatkins> I'd searched everywhere else that you normally look.
[10:27] <dwatkins> the timing was getting troublesome, suffice to say I wanted to move as soon as possible up here to Edinburgh
[10:27] <dwatkins> it all worked out well in the end, at least until after my ex started her course at uni, but that's another story ;)
[10:28] <mungbean> :(
[10:28] <dwatkins> it's all good, we're still friends, I kept custody of the hamster and the rats
[10:30] <mungbean> how does it work if the person offers to post stuff on gumtree?
[10:30] <mungbean> there's no contract as such
[10:30] <dwatkins> I assume you should secure payment before providing the goods
[10:31] <dwatkins> brb, giving a colleage a send-off
[10:32] <popey> RELOAD!
[10:32] <popey> Oh, not that kind of send-off?
[10:33] <mungbean> how do i contact a gumtree persion?
[10:34] <mungbean> via their mobile?
[10:37] <mungbean> i can't even list all ads by a seller. weird
[10:56] <mungbean> fail. i'm in london and taltalk fibre is not available
[11:02] <BigRedS> the streets are paved with gold; laying fibre is *really* expensive
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> come to the Netherlands
[12:13] <mungbean> i keep getting spammed about it by them
[12:14] <czajkowski> ohh just seen someone wear a pair of Google Glasses here! so want to try them!
[12:16] <popey> ask them ☻
[12:16] <popey> i know some people are fine with letting people use their Google Glass.
[12:16] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1Zc1rsGFJI
[12:16] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctzc8QSF6mQ
[12:16] <MartijnVdS> ^ google glass video reviews
[12:17] <czajkowski> popey: I intend to after this talk
[12:17] <czajkowski> look rather cool tbh
[12:18] <czajkowski> oh spotted a UDS raring ringtail t-shirt in the wild
[12:19] <popey> probably a canonical person ☻
[12:22] <davmor2> czajkowski: I'm betting mfoord is there
[12:25] <czajkowski> it's not dimitier
[12:25] <czajkowski> as she's rooming wiht a mate of mine keith from ireland
[12:25] <czajkowski> small world
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[13:06] <mungbean>  
[13:06] <diplo>  
[13:06] <diplo> :)
[13:06] <diplo> Book had been leaning on the space bar I guess :)
[13:19] <MartijnVdS> diplo: BooK? http://search.cpan.org/~book/
[13:27] <bigcalm> mgdm: ping
[13:29] <czajkowski> .c
[13:30] <diplo> MartijnVdS:  :)
[14:43] <mungbean> who'd have thought trying to give the bank money would be so hard?
[14:48] <mungbean> wondered why the map looked weird. somehow i was using bing maps
[14:49] <SuperMatt> google maps is changing soon
[14:50] <SuperMatt> the new interface is quite good
[14:51] <mungbean> in what way is it changing?
[14:51] <SuperMatt> it uses more of the screen realestate, and I think they've cleaned up the way it looks
[14:53] <SuperMatt> https://cloud.supermatt.net/public.php?service=files&t=8b56026d577c42a76228282d62eed566
[14:56] <popey> it generates locally
[14:56] <popey> rather than using cloud hosted tiles
[14:56] <popey> eats the cpu and caused graphical corruption here
[14:57] <SuperMatt> ah, no wonder it goes so much slower
[14:57] <mungbean> closed screen after "request an invite"
[14:57] <mungbean> stupid hype
[14:57] <popey> i deactivated it
[14:57] <mungbean> gave feedback?
[14:57] <mungbean> dear googz stop being crap
[15:00] <mungbean> wow, lots of xbox 360 coming up on teh selling sites
[15:00] <mungbean> wildly varying prices
[15:04] <SuperMatt> y'mean ebay?
[15:04] <mungbean> well, the facebook local equivalent
[15:04] <SuperMatt> I guess people are trying to get money for an Xbox One
[15:04] <mungbean> i'm on a few buying/selling/home clearance stuf on fb thats v local, to avoid postage
[15:04] <bigcalm> xbone!
[15:05] <popey> mungbean: yes, gave feedback to upstream dev
[15:05] <popey> my wife is on a "local mummies" group on facebook. it's very interesting. lots of varied content
[15:06] <popey> pretty much what I'd expect on forums
[15:06] <popey> but all nicely locked up inside fb
[15:06] <mungbean> yeah, it's mostly chavs and mums
[15:06] <mungbean> selling clothes, baby stuff, mobile phones, laptops, etc
[15:06] <popey> this one is more people asking for help
[15:06] <mungbean> i bought a wii fit, and a massive lego pirate ship recently
[15:06] <popey> like "my child wets the bed, what do I do"
[15:07] <mungbean> yaeh, shes on that too, its a bit "daily mail" scare stories etc
[15:07] <mungbean> opionated mums
[15:07] <mungbean> the buying and selling page is good though
[15:07] <mungbean> type buying and selling in ...
[15:07] <mungbean> the moderation is terrible, loads of spam/crap
[15:08] <mungbean> there should be a geek version , but there's not a local one
[15:08] <mungbean> there's also a free stuff one
[15:09] <popey> the only one near me is buying and selling animals!
[15:09] <mungbean> u infarnham?
[15:09] <popey> farnborough
[15:09] <mungbean> farn*
[15:10] <popey> "- NO GUNS, KNIVES or WEAPONS of any kind
[15:10] <popey> "
[15:10] <mungbean> no chavs
[15:10] <popey> "only one bump per 24 hours"
[15:10] <popey> jeez
[15:10] <popey> bumps
[15:10] <mungbean> all the things i've bought smell of smoke
[15:10] <mungbean> keep forgetting to check
[15:11] <popey> aaargh.. "if your going to bump"
[15:11] <popey> aha, found one
[15:11] <popey> "Members (1,301)"
[15:11] <mungbean> there's diamonds i a lot of rough
[15:12]  * redtape|renegade pokes daftykins
[15:12] <AlanBell> so if you are in a facegroup group does it tell all your friends and family you are in it and what you are talking about?
[15:14] <dwatkins> AlanBell: nope
[15:14] <dwatkins> at least that's not my experience, not sure if there's a setting to make a group private
[15:14] <popey> depends if its a private group
[15:14] <mungbean> AlanBell: only if your friends are in it
[15:14] <redtape|renegade> Has anyone actually ever 'bought' anything off facebook ? (not including buying into the vanity).
[15:15] <mungbean> and its private (they are)
[15:15] <mungbean> no fees, no P&P
[15:15] <dwatkins> facebook sell things?
[15:15] <mungbean> also good incentive for house clearance
[15:15] <redtape|renegade> i does it sells drugs , i know a shop ..
[15:15] <AlanBell> never even thought of being friends with Farnham
[15:15] <redtape|renegade> **it
[15:16] <AlanBell> https://www.facebook.com/FarnhamSurrey <- is that a group or a person or something wrong?
[15:16] <redtape|renegade> opening ...
[15:16] <mungbean> https://www.facebook.com/groups/329811773721893/?fref=ts
[15:17] <mungbean> AlanBell: ^^
[15:17] <popey> its a person
[15:17] <popey> people are dumb
[15:17] <popey> if it says "+1 Add friend" then it's a person
[15:17] <mungbean> oracle didn't send me the replacement disk, its now 2 weeks
[15:17] <AlanBell> indeed, so a town shouldn't look like that then
[15:18] <dwatkins> I have enough issue with random people on Facebook, let alone selling things to random people on Facebook.
[15:18] <mungbean> its not random if you go to their house
[15:18] <popey> they should change it to a page
[15:18] <dwatkins> mungbean: I wouldn't go to any random person's house ;)
[15:18] <AlanBell> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Farnham/108322399188757?fref=ts so is this something I should like?
[15:19] <popey> they should go to https://www.facebook.com/help/?faq=213602951994043 and fix it to be a page
[15:19] <AlanBell> so pages you like, groups you join and people you friend
[15:19] <redtape|renegade> oh yes, AlanBell I guess that idea of sending me the discs, left over, was a bit too big a wishlist ?
[15:19] <popey> yes
[15:19]  * popey reported that one
[15:20] <AlanBell> redtape|renegade: ah heck, let me sort that out
[15:21] <redtape|renegade> it's ok .. It's just the IoMLUG guy is on the radio giving out discs in 2 weeks .. and we don't have any ..
[15:37] <redtape|renegade> Wow .. just heard 'open source' in a real song .. at 1:05MINS :::: http://open.spotify.com/track/58cCnMoXzeQNEX6m3aCwbW :::: 'Best leave it if you don't have Spotify.
[15:45] <MartijnVdS> wow
[15:45] <MartijnVdS> I had something that started with "indicator-session" taking up *26GB* of RAM and swap
[15:45] <MartijnVdS> before it got murdered by the kernel
[15:46] <popey> nice!
[15:46] <popey> file a bug pls!
[15:47] <popey> might be bug 575335
[15:47] <MartijnVdS> I don't have a crash log
[15:48]  * DJones wonders if 6 weeks is long enough for a website/messageboard to be started again after the original web host went bust, or whether it just shows a complete failure by the site administrators to have external backups and control over the site name
[15:48] <mungbean> rarely have i seen a forum that has had backups
[15:48] <mungbean> it might be too big a job to resuurect given busy lives
[15:48] <MartijnVdS> DJones: if they're serious about it, their hoster going bust would give them ~1-2 days downtime
[15:48] <MartijnVdS> at most
[15:49] <DJones> mungbean: People actually pay to be members of the site
[15:50] <DJones> MartijnVdS: My thoughts as well, I'd have thought a week at most
[15:54] <mungbean> oh, a paid site is different
[15:54] <mungbean> backups, and restore within a week
[15:54] <MartijnVdS> unless it's some kind of paid warez forum or something
[15:54] <MartijnVdS> then they deserve downtime
[15:54]  * mungbean intrigued
[15:55] <DJones> Heh, nope, just a sports club forum to discuss results etc
[16:08] <mgdm> bigcalm: not ringing any bells
[16:08] <bigcalm> mgdm: ah, there you are :)
[16:09] <bigcalm> mgdm: ta. How about Simon Emms?
[16:09] <mgdm> bigcalm: nope
[16:10] <bigcalm> mgdm: more people need to be on IRC!
[16:10] <mgdm> hehe
[16:10] <bigcalm> mgdm: ta. Trying to sniff out people who have applied recently
[17:46] <beduzu> Hello i need help with my ubuntu partitions
[17:46] <beduzu> is there anyone who can help me
[17:46] <MartijnVdS> !patience
[17:50] <popey> beduzu: wassup?
[17:55] <beduzu> i need some help with ubuntu partitions
[17:55] <MartijnVdS> beduzu: can you describe the problem you're having with ubuntu partitions?
[17:55]  * MartijnVdS feels like ELIZA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA)
[17:56] <beduzu> Yes i made clean installation over my windiws partition for ubuntu and them i made my other partition when it was all of my information for swap and now when i log in i cant see my partitions with all of my information
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> beduzu: so you installed Ubuntu and selected "Wipe disk and replace"?
[17:58] <beduzu> well i choose something else
[17:59] <beduzu> and then i install it and formated the partition with my windows but i needed a swap partition
[17:59] <beduzu> so i choose my other hard partition for the swap and on this other partition was all of my data but now when i log in on ubuntu i can only see the partition when it was installed ubuntu
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> if you format a partition, it will become empty; everything on it is lost
[18:00] <MartijnVdS> beduzu: can you put the output of "fdisk -l" on pastebin?
[18:00] <MartijnVdS> !pastebin
[18:00] <beduzu> the swap partition is inactive and i cant use it
[18:02] <beduzu> nothing is happening when i write fdisk -l
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> beduzu: try "sudo fdisk -l"
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> it will run it as superuser (root), which has enough rights to read partition tables
[18:03] <beduzu> !pastebin
[18:04] <beduzu> !pastebin Disk /dev/sda: 750.2 GB, 750156374016 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 91201 cylinders, total 1465149168 sectors Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes Disk identifier: 0x7c12e647     Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System /dev/sda1   *        2048      206847      102400    7  HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
[18:04] <beduzu> how does pastebin works
[18:06] <beduzu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5817497/
[18:09] <beduzu> did you see
[18:18] <diddledan> so if I'm reading that right beduzu has a 500GB SWAP partition?
[18:19] <beduzu> yes that was my drive with all of my information and now i cant see in after i isntalled ubuntu
[18:20] <diddledan> whichever partition you set as swap will get overwritten by the installer. a swap partition isn't meant to store files so it doesn't appear in the tree
[18:21] <beduzu> you mean all of my data on that drive is gone now
[18:22] <diddledan> quite probably. you can try running something like photorec from an external disc to try to recover as much as is still present physically, but filenames and things like that will all be mangled
[18:22] <diddledan> and likely anything you recover will be corrupt
[18:22] <beduzu> if i return to windows is there a chance my files will be there
[18:23] <beduzu> because i didnt format the swap partition
[18:23] <popey> it's not looking hopeful
[18:24] <diddledan> you can try resetting the partition id to 7 to be able to boot it but I'm not expecting it to work
[18:24] <beduzu> i am so screwed up
[18:25] <beduzu> is there a way at least to find is there is something on this partition
[18:27] <diddledan> you can try in the terminal something along the lines of: `sudo swapoff /dev/sda2 && mount -t ntfs /dev/sda2 /mnt` which if it still has a valid filesystem will mount it to /mnt
[18:27] <diddledan> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda2 /mnt
[18:27] <diddledan> forgot the sudo
[18:27] <beduzu> which one should i write first
[18:28] <diddledan> just use: sudo swapoff && sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda2 /mnt
[18:28] <popey> i would not be inclined to try to mount a filesystem read-write, which I hoped to recover data from
[18:28] <popey> maybe mount readonly
[18:28] <diddledan> good point, popey
[18:28] <beduzu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5817550/
[18:29] <diddledan> in which case add "-o ro" to the mount command
[18:29] <diddledan> meh, I can't type for poo
[18:29] <diddledan> sudo swapoff /dev/sda2 && mount -t ntfs -o ro /dev/sda2
[18:30] <diddledan> I missed a bit in the command beduzu , try with the one I just typed
[18:30] <beduzu> throws error only boot can do that
[18:30] <beduzu> root i mean not boot
[18:30] <diddledan> oh ffs fingers!
[18:31] <diddledan> sudo mount -t ntfs -o ro /dev/sda2 /mnt
[18:31] <diddledan> sudo makes you root
[18:32] <beduzu> The device '/dev/sda2' doesn't seem to have a valid NTFS. Maybe the wrong device is used? Or the whole disk instead of a partition (e.g. /dev/sda, not /dev/sda1)? Or the other way around?
[18:32] <diddledan> in that case then the filesystem is gone
[18:33] <bigcalm> I thought you could have mount detect the fs type?
[18:33] <diddledan> you'll be unable to use it in windows or linux in that state
[18:33] <diddledan> bigcalm: it's a swap partition
[18:33] <bigcalm> Oh
[18:33] <bigcalm> This is what I get for stepping half way into a convo
[18:33] <diddledan> a 500GB swap partition, but a swap partition nontheless :-)
[18:33] <bigcalm> Wow
[18:34] <beduzu> so this part of the drive i cant use anymore
[18:34] <beduzu> can i change it back to NTFS
[18:35] <beduzu> please dont tell that i screwed up my hard drive
[18:35] <popey> your physical drive is almost certainly fine
[18:36] <popey> can't say the same about the data on it
[18:37] <beduzu> uf
[18:37] <beduzu> and i was so excited about ubuntu
[18:38] <popey> Ubuntu is still exciting. With or without your data ㋛
[18:39] <beduzu> :D
[18:39] <beduzu> i really like this os and i want to learn it to get familiar with linux and so on
[18:41] <beduzu> i will try tomorrow again with windows and if my data is gone i guess i switch to ubuntu
[18:41] <beduzu> which version is better to have i installed 13.04 i think and there is 12 something
[18:43] <popey> 13.04 and 12.04 are both good
[18:43] <popey> personally I'm on 13.04
[18:45] <beduzu> do you have gmail so i can add you for further communication i will need someone with knowledge like you
[18:47] <popey> well..
[18:47] <popey> it's easier to either drop back here or go to http://askubuntu.com/ and ask your question there
[18:47] <popey> it's not very scalable for everyone to just have my email address
[18:48] <beduzu> i see
[18:48] <beduzu> well thank you for the help and info
[18:48] <AlanBell> we tried to clone popey, but the technology just isnt there yet
[18:48] <beduzu> :D
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> where's TheOpenSourcerer if you want to thank him :P
[18:51] <AlanBell> he will be around tomorrow
[18:51] <AlanBell> I am off to Brussels tomorrow
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2012/12/how-to-install-openerp-7-0-on-ubuntu-12-04-lts/ is proving very useful :)
[18:53] <AlanBell> ah cool!
[18:53] <beduzu> you guys work on ubuntu i mean i am using a lot of windows apps for my work i am in search marketing area can i be able to work on ubuntu as well
[18:53] <AlanBell> I am off to brussels tomorrow for the openERP user conference MartijnVdS
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Oh cool :) I think I might have increased the user count by then
[18:55] <AlanBell> beduzu: there are loads of business applications that run on Ubuntu, we work with a bunch of web based applications
[19:13] <diplo> evening all
[19:14] <diplo> MartijnVdS: Private jobs for openerp?
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> diplo: My brothers and their brewery :)
[19:24] <diplo> Oh nice, I used Alans set up for a friends new business
[19:25] <diplo> But they decided against the business in the end, would like a project to play some more
[19:25] <diplo> popey: Are you about ?
[19:26] <popey> i am
[19:26] <diplo> I read your post about tt-rss the other day, was more interested in the lxc/juju part.. was just wondering are they easy to use set up ?
[19:26] <popey> yes
[19:27] <popey> setting up on your local machine for only local access is very easy
[19:27] <popey> if you want it shared (as I did) it's a little more complex, but not much
[19:27] <diplo> Basically want to test a few things and wondering if it's the best way, can't see the need for virtualisation stuff yet, do i need virtual extensions for it to work. reading the server guide atm
[19:27] <popey> no
[19:27] <popey> its not virtualisation really
[19:28] <popey> its more like chroot
[19:28] <popey> AIUI
[19:28] <diplo> I basically want to try a few webhosting panels on one machine but it doesn't support virtualisation
[19:28] <popey> oh, lxc would be fine for that
[19:28] <diplo> And after seeing your post I thought it may be worth a try ( with the network access part )
[19:29] <diplo> https://help.ubuntu.com/12.10/serverguide/lxc.html
[19:29] <diplo> A good guide to follow ?
[19:29] <popey> way more complex than i did ☻
[19:29] <popey> but yeah, sure ☻
[19:30] <diplo> oh it's a lot easier than that, only quickly scanning atm going to try at work tomorrow
[19:30] <diplo> That makes me happier then :D
[19:32] <diplo> thanks btw :)
[19:32] <popey> np
[19:41] <diplo> heh sad, I'm doing it now and it's work!
[19:41] <diplo> :P
[19:41] <diplo> Got myself interested
[19:48] <popey> ☻
[19:51] <knightwise> hey guys
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> \o knightwise
[19:51] <knightwise> small question i just created a new user in ubuntu , but he doesnt seam to have cool stuff like shell history and stuff.
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: how did you create the user?
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: adduser or useradd?
[19:53] <knightwise> useradd
[19:55] <ali1234> you probably want the other one
[19:55] <MartijnVdS> useradd is the low-level one
[19:55] <MartijnVdS> adduser has some more fluff around it (copies /etc/skel, for instance, and knows about uid ranges)
[19:56] <knightwise> ah , but i have created the user allready.
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> you can remove them again
[19:56] <knightwise> so i just need to give him the same shell I have
[19:56] <knightwise> (like the default shell)
[19:56] <knightwise> are you sure I won't delete his home directory ?
[19:57] <diddledan> sudo chsh username
[19:57] <diddledan> or as the user itself just chsh
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: you can always back up the homedir and password hash
[19:57] <knightwise> diddledan: i'll try the chsh
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: also, copy everything (including hidden files) /etc/skel/ to ~
[19:58] <knightwise> whats the default shell again in ubuntu /bin/bash ?
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> for normal users, I think so, yes
[19:59] <knightwise> hmmm. tried the chsh .. but the user appears to have to shell history (like arrow up for the last command and displaying his username)
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: grep ^username: /etc/passwd
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: I think the shell is OK
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: it's just that the default RC files aren't copies by useradd
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> (as they are by adduser)
[20:01] <knightwise> Got it !
[20:01] <knightwise> :)
[20:01] <knightwise> chsh /bin/bash astromech :)
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: for next time, adduser+deluser ("de luser"!) > useradd+userdel
[20:10] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: :) thanx , will adduser also create the home dir ?
[20:58] <mungbean> heard about the centos dojo in aldershot> looks good
[20:58] <mungbean> popey: AlanBell might be interested
[20:58] <popey> I have.
[20:59] <mungbean> might ask work if they will let me go on work time
[20:59] <mungbean> bit of a beast of journey round m25 on a fri morning though
[20:59] <popey> from where?
[20:59] <mungbean> junction 25
[20:59] <popey> is that essex?
[21:00] <mungbean> almost.
[21:00] <mungbean> 12 o'clock on the m25 clock
[21:01] <popey> directhex: how do you make monodevelop _not_ autocomplete a word?
[21:01] <popey> oh, click outside rather than press enter
[21:02] <directhex> you want to turn off intellisense?
[21:04] <popey> no, i wanted for one occasion to type something and it not autofill
[21:04] <popey> but the reason for this was because I had not defined the object
[21:04] <popey> if I had, this would not be a problem ☻
[21:04] <popey> so fixed ㋛
[21:14] <mungbean> firefox beating chrome for performance :-|
[21:15] <mungbean> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/chrome-27-firefox-21-opera-next,3534-12.html
[22:01] <daftykins> mungbean: why's that bad? because of how bad firefox seems to be on Linux?
[22:02] <popey> Muhahah! Just made my first cross platform game \o/
[22:05] <daftykins> :o
[22:06] <awilkins> TBH, Chromium crashed so much for me recently that I switched back to FF
[22:06] <popey> Windows, Ubuntu, Android, OSX and potentially iOS \o/
[22:06] <awilkins> Not just one process either, the whole stack
[22:06] <popey> chromium hasn't crashed for me for months
[22:06] <popey> and i have zillions of tabs open
[22:06] <popey> actually thats not true, it locked up on friday but i blame the google hangout plugin
[22:07] <diplo> awilkins: Me to, I do use both but more so FF recently
[22:07] <diplo> It's also using more resources now, makes fans go with same tabs in FF it hasn't been
[22:07] <awilkins> I get this thing where it half-opens a new tab and then refuses to open any more
[22:07] <diplo> Sure it's to do with G+ tab
[22:11] <daftykins> i tend to run signed into gmail with Chrome, then browse with firefox so my actions aren't tied to my account
[22:17] <hamitron> hmm
[22:17] <hamitron> daftykins, scary how there is reason and logic to that
[22:17] <hamitron> :/
[22:19] <daftykins> haha
[22:19] <daftykins> sorry to beat a dead horse for anyone that's seen me rant about this before
[22:19] <daftykins> http://imgur.com/P4RfyeM,6ge6fjv,JbOlygV,dAmT9wq,if8WI0P,TSOT2x7
[22:20] <daftykins> but if anyone has any suggestions as to what could cause the funky colours on an attempt at swapping an LCD screen on a samsung laptop there, i'd be interested
[22:20] <daftykins> i'm getting close to having to give up and give it back to my mates sister and say i can't work it out
[22:21] <hamitron> what funky colours?
[22:21] <hamitron> ;)
[22:21] <daftykins> :D
[22:21] <popey> hmm. the usb dongle for my mouse shows up as a joystick in linux
[22:21] <popey> which is annoying
[22:22] <popey> as this pushes the real joystick onto /dev/input/js1
[22:22] <hamitron> :/
[22:22] <redtape|renegade> popey, Go on - Wats this game , then ?
[22:22] <popey> haha, and the touchpoint on the keyboard also shows up as a joystick!
[22:23] <hamitron> js2?
[22:23] <popey> redtape|renegade: oh, just a little demo play thing to make sure it all works. will make something actually playable a bit later
[22:23] <popey> yeah
[22:23] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5834514
[22:23] <popey> check that lunacy out
[22:24] <redtape|renegade> mmm .. is it a Unity engine game ?
[22:24] <popey> ya
[22:25] <popey> they made it so you can spit out binaries for android and ios for free now
[22:25] <popey> previously you had to pay for an extra
[22:25] <redtape|renegade> I hope to see it in the chrome browser store, sometime then ;)
[22:25] <popey> heh
[22:25] <popey> yeah, export to chrome too!
[22:25] <popey> not tried that
[22:26] <redtape|renegade> well, i played a unity fps yesterday.
[22:26] <daftykins> are the tools to make these games easy?
[22:26] <popey> there's a bit of a learning curve
[22:26] <popey> but it's actually pretty easy once you get going
[22:26] <popey> and loads of tutorials online
[22:27] <redtape|renegade> good luck popey.
[22:27] <popey> heh thanks
[22:27] <popey> it's just a spare time play thing
[22:27] <popey> was somewhat amazed you can easily spit out an .apk for android and it just worked on my phone
[22:28] <daftykins> :)
[22:28] <hamitron> I can't seem to even get ubuntu running smoothly these days, so decided I'm a newb who should not look into anything beyond word processing
[22:28] <daftykins> hehehe
[22:28] <daftykins> is your hardware old school or something?
[22:28] <hamitron> no
[22:28] <daftykins> i've not even run bare-metal desktop Ubuntu since 10.04.2 or so
[22:28] <hamitron> well, quad core cpu, 8GB memory
[22:29] <daftykins> sounds like my desktop
[22:29] <hamitron> I used to run lighter things, but I just don't feel like bothering or caring these days
[22:29] <hamitron> so just go default
[22:29] <hamitron> ;)
[22:29] <popey> same as my laptop/desktop spec, both i7 quad core 8GB
[22:29] <popey> both default ubuntu installs
[22:30] <hamitron> this is amd phenom II
[22:30] <popey> although running Windows right now to use Unity ☹
[22:30] <daftykins> has anyone tried deepin? i put it in a VM the other day
[22:30] <popey> not I
[22:30] <popey> saw a video about it recently
[22:30] <daftykins> it's a chinese distro though, i don't feel i can trust it XD
[22:30] <hamitron> I blame web browsers for EVERYTHING
[22:30] <daftykins> popey: yeah from that LAS vid :)
[22:30] <popey> like we can trust american ones
[22:30] <daftykins> hehehe
[22:30] <popey> no, spatry
[22:31] <daftykins> what's that?
[22:31] <popey> a guy who calls himself spatry, he does distro review videos
[22:31] <popey> i sometimes jump on a G+ hangout with him and some others and shoot the breeze
[22:32] <daftykins> ah right
[22:32] <hamitron> is there actually a light distro that "just works"?
[22:33] <popey> it's funny, there's so many people making linux distro review videos
[22:33] <popey> crunchbang
[22:34] <hamitron> may give it a go
[22:34] <hamitron> I had decided to remove ubuntu and install win 8 pro
[22:34] <popey> it's pretty lightweight
[22:34] <hamitron> but can't bring myself to do it
[22:35] <popey> i dual boot ubuntu and win7 on both my machines
[22:35] <popey> can't see myself using win8 unless "forced" to
[22:36] <hamitron> I've never liked win7, so it doesn't have a lot to live up to
[22:36] <hamitron> in fact, the last version of windows I liked was win2k
[22:36] <daftykins> i'll try 8.1 with a proper program to put the original start menu on it at some point
[22:36] <hamitron> :/
[22:36] <daftykins> but imo 7 is great
[22:37] <popey> 7 is ok. I dont have many issues with it
[22:37] <popey> other than performance is terrible and it refuses to suspend
[22:37] <hamitron> shame ubuntu 8.04 is "dead"
[22:38] <popey> shame DOS + Win 98 are dead ㋛
[22:38] <hamitron> yeh
[22:38] <hamitron> :)
[22:38] <popey> happy days with config.sys
[22:39]  * popey glazes over
[22:39] <hamitron> but 8.04 was the time I felt everything was "right".... worked well, and easy enough for new users
[22:39] <daftykins> performance terrible? really?
[22:40] <hamitron> I'd have agreed with popey on that, till I installed the default ubuntu 12.04
[22:40] <hamitron> ;)
[22:40] <daftykins> i've not encountered issues with 7 other than when it's been on dire hardware, but even then it performs quite admirably given little
[22:40] <redtape|renegade> popey: dos dead (?) .. freedos never took off , then ?
[22:41] <popey> heh
[22:41] <popey> i have trouble with chrome + flash on windows which i don't on ubuntu
[22:41] <redtape|renegade> nevermind.
[22:41] <popey> which seems deeply wrong (but right of course)
[22:41] <popey> you can still buy Dell laptops with freedos pre-installed
[22:41] <daftykins> :D
[22:42] <daftykins> i noticed that super cheap Lenovo Q190 comes with FreeDOS
[22:42] <hamitron> oh, ubuntu > windows for ease of use now, for sure
[22:42] <daftykins> the £150 celeron tiny thing
[22:43] <daftykins> i've never attempted to give ubuntu to any - casual users to know
[22:43] <daftykins> so many of the people i encounter chain themselves to MS Office
[22:44] <hamitron> my Father loves it
[22:44] <hamitron> just painful for me watching him slooooooooooowly type
[22:44] <hamitron> ;)
[22:44] <daftykins> heh
[22:45] <daftykins> sure but is there understanding behind that 'love' ? :)
[22:45] <AlanBell> my dad loves it too, especially shotwell
[22:45] <AlanBell> rhythmbox doesn't do the ipad sync well enough apparently
[22:45] <hamitron> daftykins, he understands it just works and feels faster than windows
[22:45] <hamitron> but he mostly does web browsing
[22:46] <AlanBell> and there is better software for ripping vinyl to MP3 on windows, that looks at the track gaps and chops it up into separate tracks correctly
[22:46] <daftykins> most people i encounter's perception of computer speed is more internet access responsiveness and thus out of the PCs control, assuming it has a good connection to their router
[22:47] <hamitron> daftykins, this is the same machine dual booting
[22:47] <AlanBell> yeah, it did help that I gave him a big hardware upgrade at the same time as the xp > ubuntu upgrade
[22:47] <daftykins> hamitron: i'm talking generally
[22:47] <hamitron> yeh
[22:47] <hamitron> :)
[22:48] <daftykins> hehe i can't stand using anyones system with a mechanical HDD these days :D
[22:48] <daftykins> too spoilt by lovely SSDs everywhere
[22:48] <AlanBell> me too
[22:48] <AlanBell> can't go back
[22:48] <popey> hehe
[22:48] <popey> i have a friend who refuses to use SSDs
[22:49] <popey> not reliable enough for him yet
[22:49] <popey> (yet he uses btrfs)
[22:49] <AlanBell> hdd is far too noisy
[22:49] <AlanBell> I had a play with a chromebook pixel at the weekend
[22:49] <AlanBell> it is *lovely*
[22:50] <daftykins> popey: in fairness i had my Intel X25M 160GB go wonky. i could make win7 BSOD / reset if it read a certain area. support told me to secure erase before RMA and sadly that fixed it :( but of course i had to reinstall to find out
[22:50] <hamitron> actually, thinking about it..... his machine runs ubuntu faster than mine.... something must be wrong
[22:50] <hamitron> most likely user error on my part maybe
[22:50] <popey> blimey
[22:50] <daftykins> so i can understand some hesitancy - but yeah the benefits are too great to ignore
[22:50] <AlanBell> just need the next generation ARM powered chromebook that runs cold and silent all day with an epic screen resolution
[22:50] <popey> yeah, i backup religiously
[22:50] <daftykins> ah wait i tell a lie, it didn't BSOD or reset - instantly - it just totally froze first :)
[22:50] <hamitron> I haven't gone SSD yet :/
[22:50] <daftykins> mouse pointer would move, some browsers would even carry on working
[22:51] <daftykins> but the OS had frozen behind
[22:51] <popey> AlanBell: why arm?
[22:51] <daftykins> hamitron: missing out!
[22:51] <popey> haswell has got that now
[22:51] <popey> the new macbook air does ~12 hours
[22:51] <ali1234> ARM chips don't run cold
[22:51] <ali1234> neither do batteries for that matter
[22:51] <popey> i expect other ultrabooks to come along to match it, for those that hate apple
[22:51] <hamitron> daftykins, keep playing with the idea.... but £70 for 120GB..... I'd rather get another 2TB hdd
[22:52] <hamitron> I'm always struggling for storage space
[22:52] <hamitron> :/
[22:52] <daftykins> heh
[22:52] <popey> DELETE
[22:52] <daftykins> hoarding data is certainly tempting
[22:52] <popey> Ooh, it's OOOOOYAAAAA oclock
[22:52] <hamitron> too true
[22:52] <daftykins> i should know, got 4.75TB of the stuff :(
[22:52] <hamitron> but once you start hoarding, how do you fix the issue?
[22:53] <daftykins> heh in my case i built larger and larger RAID arrays
[22:53] <hamitron> yeh, exactly
[22:53] <hamitron> haha
[22:53] <daftykins> but that requires continual great investment
[22:53] <hamitron> I don't do RAID
[22:53] <daftykins> so it's ok if you can drop a grand or two on it every say, 5 years
[22:54] <hamitron> I tend to get 2 new drives at once, use 1 for data, and another for backup
[22:54] <hamitron> but then as I struggle, I run out of space.... so remove some of the data off the backups
[22:54] <popey> wow, the Ouya update process is pretty funny
[22:54]  * popey takes pictures
[22:54] <hamitron> then I always get a hdd failure
[22:55] <daftykins> :o
[22:55] <hamitron> then the same cycle is repeated
[22:55] <daftykins> HDDs seem terrible now =|
[22:55] <hamitron> yeh
[22:55] <AlanBell> well I am kind of assuming the ARM chromebook would be a bit cheaper, a bit more battery life and a bit cooler, but maybe not
[22:55] <daftykins> seems to only be WD that offer 3+ year warranties?
[22:55] <hamitron> I'm not happy with ANY storage atm
[22:55] <AlanBell> less cpu grunt, but I don't need that really
[22:56] <hamitron> daftykins, WD give you more if you splash the cash, basically
[22:56] <daftykins> with the extensions?
[22:56] <daftykins> or with the RE lines?
[22:56] <hamitron> black has 5 years iirc
[22:57] <popey> OMG! Kainy on the OuYA
[22:57] <popey> you can stream games from a PC to the telly
[22:57] <daftykins> yeah but black is more performance orientated
[22:59] <hamitron> aye
[22:59] <daftykins> i still don't see that ouya getting far
[22:59] <hamitron> what I want... is 2TB+ optical storage
[23:00] <hamitron> re-writable
[23:00] <popey> daftykins: its great for emulation if nothing else ☻
[23:00] <daftykins> a new medium doesn't guarantee better reliability though
[23:00] <hamitron> true
[23:00] <AlanBell> I am still waiting for my somewhat pointless parallela board
[23:00] <daftykins> popey: how's that? does it run older-system games?
[23:00] <popey> yes
[23:00] <hamitron> but we need new, large reliable and convenient
[23:01] <popey> gameboy, ds, n64, c64 etc
[23:01] <daftykins> AlanBell: is that something akin to a beagle/arduino?
[23:02] <AlanBell> more of a raspberry pi, with a weird parallel processing chip attached to it
[23:02] <AlanBell> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/adapteva/parallella-a-supercomputer-for-everyone
[23:02] <popey> have they not been shipped yet?
[23:02] <AlanBell> nope
[23:03] <popey> i thought they had, oh ☹
[23:04] <AlanBell> the epiphany thing is more like a GPU than a CPU
[23:04] <AlanBell> can't really see the point of it
[23:04] <daftykins> omw i'm being forced to scroll through a tiny list and find the exact model # of this laptop on samsung's support site before i can email in
[23:05] <AlanBell> however it will be a nice little dual core ARM board, even if I never do anything with the parallel bit
[23:07] <daftykins> phew found it on ~page 20+
[23:18] <daftykins> well, just wrote to Samsung asking if they can tell me how to buy a compatible replacement screen for this laptop :D
[23:18] <daftykins> here's hoping i get someone useful