=== Guest77126 is now known as Spaceghost === space is now known as Guest28238 [06:34] morning inetpro ThatGraemeGuy and others [07:02] hi Kilos [07:03] morning superfly charl tonberryE352 [07:03] morning [07:23] good morning [07:23] Hi superfly, Kilos, tonberryE352 [07:23] Maaz: coffee on [07:23] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [07:23] good morning [07:23] and hi Kilos [07:24] hi inetpro [07:24] long time no speak to [07:24] how's it going [07:24] hi charl [07:26] Morning folks [07:26] HawkiesZA: By the way, magespawn on freenode told me "tell HawkiesZA http://znmeb.github.io/Computational-Journalism-Publishers-Workbench/" 1 day, 23 hours, 20 minutes and 32 seconds ago [07:26] hi HawkiesZA [07:27] Coffee's ready for charl! [07:27] hi HawkiesZA [07:28] charl: hi, good and yourself [07:28] Hi Kilos, charl [07:28] HawkiesZA, hows the greeter script going? [07:29] you forgot hey [07:29] yo JoTraGo [07:30] hi HawkiesZA, superfly, tonberryE352 [07:30] good morning [07:30] hi magespawn [07:31] so inetpro have you guys finished the moves setups and upgrading yet [07:31] so you can get back to normal [07:31] Kilos: good question, will have to find out today [07:31] mage aint there yet [07:31] ah [07:32] just got it Kilos [07:32] s/it/in [07:32] hiya magespawn [07:33] not so good, have manflu [07:34] hmm... magespawn: at least it's not birdflu [07:34] hi inetpro [07:34] I never get manflu [07:34] hi inetpro, magespawn [07:34] Kilos, the fly said they were working on it :/ [07:36] manflu is the worst kind, can take an otherwise strong independant man and reduce him him to sniviling, self pitying mess [07:36] manflu is like a woman then [07:37] magespawn: that's why I don't get it. [07:38] inetpro: very good thanks [07:45] 'ello :) [07:45] magespawn: you found it through self-diagnosis? [07:45] hi ThatGraemeGuy [07:46] hi ThatGraemeGuy [07:46] inetpro indeed, that and i am friendly with the local pharmacist [07:46] hi trender ThatGraemeGuy' [07:51] yo mage...hoe gaanit [07:54] good and you trender? [07:56] no complaints man nobody listens [07:56] HawkiesZA: i thought you might know some people who could use that software in the link [07:58] trender: i think lots of people would listen, but that is about all most can do anyway [07:59] hi ThatGraemeGuy trender [08:01] magespawn, you gotta read logs man [08:01] needed help yesterday with a tablet [08:01] your sisters one? [08:01] ya [08:02] eventually got pc to see it with nokia cell data cable [08:02] but dunno how to make it use my 3g [08:03] i think you have to share the internet connection from the pc [08:04] with nm? [08:05] not sure how to [08:06] all links i found was to use either a fone or tablet as the 3g [08:06] nothing from tab to pcs 3g [08:08] let me go look [08:12] ty [08:14] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing [08:15] sorry Kilos brain is offline today [08:15] ty magespawn [08:20] im connecting the tab with data cable so will that route creatind adhock in wireless work? [08:22] not in wireless, that would need both the pc and the tablet to be connected through a wireless network [08:23] not sure how/if it will work through the usb cable [08:24] i always have new probs [08:24] maybe it will work once i got a wireless card in pc [08:27] https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s720x720/1012354_10152976661610472_1535466983_n.png [08:27] I need one of those [08:30] Kilos: that might work better [08:30] yeah lets hope [08:31] Squirm: c is for coffee [08:32] i saw a contraptioo of a coffee maker and something like a pi, so the owner could control it over the network [08:32] if I only had the time... [08:32] should be a fun project [08:39] hi smile4ever [08:39] hi charl :) [08:39] how's it going down south :) [08:39] hi smile4ever [08:39] http://lifehacker.com/5883973/mod-your-coffee-machine-to-operate-by-remote-control-and-start-your-brew-before-getting-out-of-bed [08:40] Hi Kilos :D [08:40] charl: great! :D [08:40] I'm updating the exchange rates of foreign currencies on wikipedia [08:40] :) [08:41] http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2324.txt okay then [08:41] hi smile4ever [08:41] smile4ever: shouldn't that be done automatically? [08:42] charl: it isn't done automatically [08:42] ;) [08:42] hi magespawn :D [08:42] You didn't know that one? :o [08:42] smile4ever: i don't know how to write bots for mediawiki but i think it should be fairly easy (in principle) [08:42] there are a bunch of forex apis [08:43] charl: It's not easy to get info from a website which doesn't provide an api [08:43] because you'll need to parse the html [08:43] with the rand that could be a day long job [08:43] smile4ever: there are a bunch of forex apis but html scraping is simple, i used to do it a lot [08:43] smile4ever: all you need is a powerful tagsoup parsing lib like jsoup [08:44] smile4ever: i used jsoup in both java and python (jython) [08:45] charl: in order to edit, you also need an api key [08:45] which I'm not familiar with [08:45] that's the problem [08:45] i don't know how to do that either [08:45] I know how to get results from the api, but not how to edit with the api :) [08:47] You can't do everything with a bot though, there were two articles where I had difficulty to fix them :) [08:47] (out of 15) [08:47] looking at https://github.com/MediaWiki-Bot/MediaWiki-Bot [08:47] it's perl unfortunately [08:48] magespawn: and Arduino would control it [08:49] s/and/an [08:50] Squirm: and if you could link it to Maaz it really would make the coffee when you asked it to [08:50] definitely doable [08:50] charl: isn't perl difficult to read? :) [08:51] *coff* ardiuno ...why cant people program proper microcontrollers why all the modern laziness ? [08:51] yeah i hate it with a passion [08:51] perl i mean [08:51] but you can also write clean perl code if you have dicipline [08:51] i'm reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Creating_a_bot now [08:51] this definitely looks doable [08:51] but it will require some time [08:51] yes [08:52] i'm not really involved with the wikipedia project so i'm not "in it" [08:52] the hardest part will be actually controlling the coffee machine [08:53] what kind of coffee machine are you looking at? a simple drip-filter machine? [08:53] it can't be that difficult - it has two states - on and off :) [08:55] yeah [08:55] just realised that [08:55] thinking you could just hack the on/off switch [08:55] connect a Pi powered relay [08:56] there are power plugs you can buy that will do this [08:56] just connect the coffee machine to the adapter and then the adapter to the wall [08:56] you switch the coffee on using a remote control [08:56] na [08:57] i'm sure you could hack the remote control and operate it from a microcontroller [08:57] it's just a button you press [08:57] I bought a few Solid State Relays off of ebay(like 3GBP each incl. postage) [08:58] busy making an app in python for android that will turn a few lights in my house on/off and my geyser [08:58] you want to put the microcontroller inside the coffee machine? [08:58] you will need to find enough space [08:58] no no [08:58] think of an on off switch on the coffee machine [08:59] if you do it external you have a mess of electronics in your kitchen, an environment with water everywhere [08:59] that's what an SSR is [08:59] besides - I don't own a coffee machine [08:59] yes i know what an SSR is but you will need to control it [09:00] the control signal [09:00] via network cable connected to my Pi [09:00] that's possible [09:00] using it just to drive the 3v [09:01] you will still need to run the network cable, that's why i was thinking it would be better to do with with a wireless remote control [09:01] Squirm: cool, pi model B? :) [09:01] but if you want to do it for lights, geyser etc, a cable is perfect [09:02] charl: that is true [09:02] are we arguing about microcontrollers and i missed it? [09:02] smile4ever: model B, Rev A [09:02] Squirm: so 256MB ram? :p [09:02] rev 1* [09:03] smile4ever: indeed :/ [09:03] tonberryE352: shame on you :) [09:03] trender because sometimes it is better to have slow working code that was quickly developed [09:03] but in general I love avr but avoid ardiuno [09:10] Squirm: Oh. :( [09:11] but I seem to have broken my SD card slot :/ [09:12] how do you break an sd card slot? [09:12] tried gluing a Micro Sd adapter to it, but seems to have not made proper contac [09:12] t [09:12] oh [09:13] superglue I assume? [09:13] another form of contact adhesive [09:13] hope I can pull it off nicely [09:14] otherwise find another adapter and deadbug it on top of the slot === Spaceghost is now known as Guest72689 === Guest72689 is now known as Spaceghost [10:24] later all home time, taking wife to doctor [10:24] hello magespawn [10:24] see you later, good luck with the wife [10:25] hey psyatw, thank you [10:31] aw sup magespawn [10:31] hi psyatw [10:32] hi Kilos [10:32] hi psyatw [10:32] how's it going in poland [10:33] hi charl [10:33] it´s going quite well actually [10:33] I work and I survive [10:34] life goes on [10:34] yesterday I downloaded lots of books on Oracle, SAP and Linux [10:34] and I will download even more when I am back at home tonight [10:34] linux ok great but oracle and sap? [10:34] I intend to study these things of course [10:35] we use a lot of oracle and sap where i work, i would not encourage it :) [10:35] well, I work at Ciber, a cloud company [10:35] I know :) [10:35] but it´s always good to know about that stuff, I think [10:35] I want to move away from service desk as soon as possible [10:36] it doesn´t add anything to my life or experience, even though it´s been interesting so far [10:36] i have a lot of respect for service desk people because their job is not always easy dealing with angry users [10:36] but it's definitely not something i would consider a career for myself [10:37] i think i would go nuts in a week [10:37] I know, that´s why it´s a good thing that I have been doing this for two months now [10:37] exactly [10:37] and I know too much to be actually working here [10:38] but as I said it allowed me to come to Poland to explore my opportunities from relatively humble beginnings [10:39] took a look at ciber - interesting company but the term "cloud" seems to have been watered down now to a point of meaninglessness [10:39] it's a case of "just do whatever you have been doing before and call it cloud" [10:40] then you're also Hype Approved (tm) [10:41] taking a look at https://www.linuxliteos.com/ [10:41] yeah [10:42] very promising lightweight ubuntu derivative [10:42] I have mostly been dealing with system stuff myself and I find that most interesting [10:42] but I also need to provide the skills that are asked for in the market, so I will be working on that for the time being [10:44] not to mention wanting to get back into university after leaving delft, I guess I´ll continue my studies at open universiteit [10:46] i saw this the other day: http://www.universiteitvannederland.nl/ [10:46] i hope they will do some good ict-related stuff [10:47] psyatw, why not LPI and ITIL ? [10:47] Vince-0: ITIL ?!?! [10:48] Vince-0: I am a programmer at heart, but I know system administration too, so I will do those too at some point [10:49] is that becoming popular in .za now too? [10:49] yar [10:50] i feel so sorry for you :) [10:50] see some of the Amazon support role specs [10:51] btw, hi Vince-0 :) [10:52] i had my own version of ITIL, i call it "KITIL" (sounds like "kietel" which in dutch means to tickle someone) [10:52] haai! [10:52] LPI is a piece of cake [10:53] why do it then?\ [10:53] LPI 2+3 are being revised in November [10:53] charl, just a piece of paper so I can rightfully call myself a Linux admin [10:53] hmmm [10:54] have you heard of PRINCE2 yet? [10:54] two 90 minute multiple choice exams online @ R1125, gets your Comptia Linux+, LPI1 and Novel Cert Admin [10:54] PRINCE2 yar [10:54] but that's heavy weight when compared to a ITIL foundation course [10:55] regrettable, i'm so sorry to hear [10:55] :) [10:55] think the PRINCE2 stuff is based on US processes, ITIL comes from UK IT office [10:55] no prince2 is from the uk as well [10:55] same people that developed itil [10:57] the ITIL foundation course is a piece of cake too - so LPI1 and ITIL foundation are quick wins for getting certs [10:57] yeah i know i am itil v3 certified [10:57] just study through the mock exams [10:57] and pay attention in class [10:58] class! that's a costly exercise [10:58] I just got the books [10:58] I guess I will study ITIL v3 too, just to have it [10:59] there are local test centers so its easy [10:59] i don't know if you really need it but i got it along with a group at work [11:00] do people really care about certifications that much in ict? [11:00] my experience has been quite the opposite [11:00] usually, depends on the company [11:01] afaik nobody ever asked me about my qualifications, i don't care, i have a bachelors [11:01] that's all i need :) [11:03] ya that gets you in the door [11:03] easy [11:04] RHCE is on the cards for me next year [11:06] :) [11:06] I will work on getting mine too [11:08] yoh, Gnome3 GUI just froze on desktop preview - [11:12] i ran gnome3 for about a year - it wasn't very stable [11:12] eventually moved away to kde4 and then to i3 [11:13] Still Fedora 17 here, very nice other than that - haven't updated in a while [11:13] oh yeah i remember it [11:14] tried it out but am not a big redhat fan [11:14] neither am I [11:14] they work on cool stuff but I usually find their distribution unusable on the desktop [11:16] i just think apt is miles ahead of yum [11:16] on old pcs yum also used to be super slow [11:19] that is the case too, yes [11:20] nort ey, RH for the win [11:21] http://en.rocketnews24.com/2013/07/01/the-restaurant-that-powered-the-team-behind-one-of-nintendos-biggest-hits/ [11:21] food looks delicious [11:21] watched the video === Spaceghost is now known as Guest27621 === Guest27621 is now known as Spaceghost [11:49] 2400000 is that 2.4 gig [11:49] * Kilos gets mixed up with how many zeroes are needed [11:54] charl, whats with http://scholarcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4830&context=etd [11:54] the bot says its forbidden [12:05] inetpro, hehe cheap android fone?? [12:05] over a grand [12:11] Kilos: where did you look around? [12:12] http://www.pricecheck.co.za/categories/f/126/Cellular+Phones/f/269/Android/0/tp.weekly/DESC/ [12:12] i googled cheapest android fones and it came up with best android phones [12:12] grrr [12:20] Vodacom used to have cheap Vodafone branded android phones [12:21] can't find one now [12:22] np ty sir [12:23] the Samsung Galaxy Pocket = R 899 .00 at Vodacom [12:23] there should be something more in line with that [12:23] eish i think ill try with a wireless card in pc first [12:24] if it works its only R250 used [12:25] Kilos: get the specs before you buy [12:26] well it must work on either ubuntu or win 7 so i gotta take a chance [12:26] peeps dont wanna gives specs in mail; [12:26] they think you gonna then shop around i spose [12:26] we gotta go to closest shop [12:27] when we can swaar blew head gasket on sis's car when heater pipe burst sunday [12:27] Kilos: you should perhaps look at getting a USB dongle rather than a PCI card [12:27] unless others disagree [12:28] usb dongle for? [12:28] usb wifi dongle [12:28] oh my [12:29] everything coming in usb [12:29] whew [12:29] a PCI adapter may give many headaches to make it work on Ubuntu [12:29] ill check what i find in them ty [12:29] oh my [12:30] a USB dongle would most likely be just plug and play [12:30] cool [12:31] but I can't tell for sure because I haven't played around in this area [12:31] just going on what others have told me [12:31] i see one for R236 [12:31] ah ty for the info [12:33] Kilos: they tell me you must look around in the small electronics shops [12:33] R236 sounds a bit much [12:34] oh [12:34] Kilos: how soon you want this? [12:35] i can check for you tomorrow, how much they go for. lower than that price [12:35] hehe funny question [12:35] oh! hi everyone [12:35] got sis chafing at the bit to get tab working [12:35] hi plustwo [12:36] o/ [12:36] ok [12:36] ahh thanks plustwo, I knew you would be able to help with this [12:36] inetpro, also then there is also the sharing to figure out [12:36] congratulations, i see south africa has joined the european union http://www.efnet.org/?module=servers&server_id=93 [12:37] no problem, will update you tomorrow. [12:37] so i will need to share usb 3g and usb wireless from tab [12:37] israel too http://www.efnet.org/?module=servers&server_id=33 [12:37] talk to me plustwo [12:38] Kilos: i can open the above url fine [12:38] Kilos: this one: http://scholarcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4830&context=etd [12:38] i think you'll need to access wireless from tab to 3g. [12:39] if thats possible thats good plustwo price? [12:39] Kilos: your phone will be your 3g and the wifi dongle will be the AP for the tab [12:39] my 3g modem must be the internet [12:40] stupid tablet should come with that in the swines [12:41] im not buying a fone as well so she can get a couple of books a month and emails [12:42] Kilos: might be a bit tricky, that is why I prefer keeping these things separate [12:42] when one data cable connects a tablet to a pc should you have full control of the tablet from the pc [12:43] that would be a wired connection from the pc to the tab. not a wireless one [12:44] or just the ability to drag drop stuff to it\ [12:44] drag and drop, yes. [12:44] yes plustwo but i dunno how to make the tablet then use the 3g [12:44] and it needs to get an ebook reader [12:45] ok [12:46] ebook reader application you mean, oom? [12:46] Kilos: take one step at a time [12:47] you need internet access first [12:47] ya maybe first get wifi working i think [12:47] oh ya [12:48] i googled last night but everything shows tethering etc to a cellphone [12:49] cant find how to do something similar to ssh with masquerading [12:50] charl, what does it say there for formula for wifi antenna [12:51] Kilos: obviously you should be able to connect to the internet from any other hotspot out there [12:51] there arent any near inetpro [12:51] that one i told you about last night is the closest and it behind the mountain [12:52] that park place [12:52] grrr [12:52] visit any McDonalds [12:52] lol [12:52] or Wimpy [12:53] nee man [12:53] or the library [12:53] i must make it work from here [12:53] no other option [12:53] or some filling station [12:54] do filling stations have wifi? [12:54] some of them have these days, just ask around [13:00] ok ty [13:01] yes plustwo the ebook reader. ive download some epub boots here for her but the thing cant open them [13:01] grrr [13:02] thought at least id give her something to read [13:02] hehe [13:02] Kilos: is it an Android tab? [13:02] keep her busy for a while [13:02] ok, try ireader or moon+ reader... [13:03] yes superfly a blaupunkt etab 0507 [13:03] if it's an android tab [13:04] i looked at some readers for the thing from here but they want to directly install not download here and drag/drop there to install [13:04] ok, I personally use Aldiko ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aldiko.android ) but on some devices it doesn't work, then try eBook Reader ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ebooks.ebookreader ) [13:05] as inetpro says i gotta get it to connect to the internet first [13:05] Jip. [13:05] what a schlep [13:06] in the book it even says linux compatible [13:06] hehe [13:06] You connecting 3G and/or Wifi (if I scan the convo correctly), what seems to be the issue? [13:06] now i hear you got linux fix it [13:06] it has no built in 3g [13:06] only wifi [13:08] Eish, pain in the @.. [13:08] tell me about it i cant even sit down anymore [13:09] hehe [13:09] I suppose you don't have a wifi router for it to connect to? [13:09]