[06:34] <Kilos> morning inetpro ThatGraemeGuy and others
[07:02] <superfly> hi Kilos
[07:03] <Kilos> morning superfly charl tonberryE352 
[07:03] <tonberryE352> morning
[07:23] <charl> good morning
[07:23] <charl> Hi superfly, Kilos, tonberryE352 
[07:23] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[07:23]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[07:23] <inetpro> good morning
[07:23] <inetpro> and hi Kilos
[07:24] <charl> hi inetpro 
[07:24] <charl> long time no speak to
[07:24] <charl> how's it going
[07:24] <superfly> hi charl
[07:26] <HawkiesZA> Morning folks
[07:26] <Maaz> HawkiesZA: By the way, magespawn on freenode told me "tell HawkiesZA http://znmeb.github.io/Computational-Journalism-Publishers-Workbench/" 1 day, 23 hours, 20 minutes and 32 seconds ago
[07:26] <charl> hi HawkiesZA 
[07:27] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[07:27] <Kilos> hi HawkiesZA 
[07:28] <inetpro> charl: hi, good and yourself
[07:28] <HawkiesZA> Hi Kilos, charl 
[07:28] <Kilos> HawkiesZA, hows the greeter script going?
[07:29] <Kilos> you forgot hey
[07:29] <Kilos> yo JoTraGo 
[07:30] <inetpro> hi HawkiesZA, superfly, tonberryE352
[07:30] <magespawn> good morning 
[07:30] <inetpro> hi magespawn
[07:31] <Kilos> so inetpro have you guys finished the moves setups and upgrading yet
[07:31] <Kilos> so you can get back to normal
[07:31] <inetpro> Kilos: good question, will have to find out today
[07:31] <Kilos> mage aint there yet
[07:31] <Kilos> ah
[07:32] <magespawn> just got it Kilos
[07:32] <magespawn> s/it/in
[07:32] <Kilos> hiya magespawn 
[07:33] <magespawn> not so good, have manflu
[07:34] <inetpro> hmm... magespawn: at least it's not birdflu
[07:34] <HawkiesZA> hi inetpro 
[07:34] <superfly> I never get manflu
[07:34] <superfly> hi inetpro, magespawn
[07:34] <HawkiesZA> Kilos, the fly said they were working on it :/
[07:36] <magespawn> manflu is the worst kind, can take an otherwise strong independant man and reduce him him to sniviling, self pitying mess
[07:36] <trender> manflu is like a woman then
[07:37] <superfly> magespawn: that's why I don't get it.
[07:38] <charl> inetpro: very good thanks
[07:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'ello :)
[07:45] <inetpro> magespawn: you found it through self-diagnosis?
[07:45] <inetpro> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[07:46] <superfly> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[07:46] <magespawn> inetpro indeed, that and i am friendly with the local pharmacist
[07:46] <magespawn> hi trender ThatGraemeGuy'
[07:51] <trender> yo mage...hoe gaanit
[07:54] <magespawn> good and you trender?
[07:56] <trender> no complaints man nobody listens
[07:56] <magespawn> HawkiesZA: i thought you might know some people who could use that software in the link
[07:58] <magespawn> trender: i think lots of people would listen, but that is about all most can do anyway
[07:59] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy trender 
[08:01] <Kilos> magespawn, you gotta read logs man
[08:01] <Kilos> needed help yesterday with a tablet
[08:01] <magespawn> your sisters one?
[08:01] <Kilos> ya
[08:02] <Kilos> eventually got pc to see it with nokia cell data cable
[08:02] <Kilos> but dunno how to make it use my 3g
[08:03] <magespawn> i think you have to share the internet connection from the pc
[08:04] <Kilos> with nm?
[08:05] <magespawn> not sure how to
[08:06] <Kilos> all links i found was to use either a fone or tablet as the 3g
[08:06] <Kilos> nothing from tab to pcs 3g
[08:08] <magespawn> let me go look
[08:12] <Kilos> ty
[08:14] <magespawn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing
[08:15] <magespawn> sorry Kilos brain is offline today
[08:15] <Kilos> ty magespawn 
[08:20] <Kilos> im connecting the tab with data cable so will that route creatind adhock in wireless work?
[08:22] <magespawn> not in wireless, that would need both the pc and the tablet to be connected through a wireless network
[08:23] <magespawn> not sure how/if it will work through the usb cable
[08:24] <Kilos> i always have new probs
[08:24] <Kilos> maybe it will work once i got a wireless card in pc
[08:27] <Squirm> https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s720x720/1012354_10152976661610472_1535466983_n.png
[08:27] <Squirm> I need one of those
[08:30] <magespawn> Kilos:  that might work better
[08:30] <Kilos> yeah lets hope
[08:31] <magespawn> Squirm: c is for coffee
[08:32] <magespawn> i saw a contraptioo of a coffee maker and something like a pi, so the owner could control it over the network
[08:32] <tonberryE352> if I only had the time...
[08:32] <tonberryE352> should be a fun project
[08:39] <charl> hi smile4ever 
[08:39] <smile4ever> hi charl :)
[08:39] <charl> how's it going down south :)
[08:39] <Kilos> hi smile4ever 
[08:39] <magespawn> http://lifehacker.com/5883973/mod-your-coffee-machine-to-operate-by-remote-control-and-start-your-brew-before-getting-out-of-bed
[08:40] <smile4ever> Hi Kilos :D
[08:40] <smile4ever> charl: great! :D
[08:40] <smile4ever> I'm updating the exchange rates of foreign currencies on wikipedia
[08:40] <smile4ever> :)
[08:41] <magespawn> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2324.txt okay then
[08:41] <magespawn> hi smile4ever
[08:41] <charl> smile4ever: shouldn't that be done automatically?
[08:42] <smile4ever> charl: it isn't done automatically
[08:42] <smile4ever> ;)
[08:42] <smile4ever> hi magespawn :D
[08:42] <smile4ever> You didn't know that one? :o
[08:42] <charl> smile4ever: i don't know how to write bots for mediawiki but i think it should be fairly easy (in principle)
[08:42] <charl> there are a bunch of forex apis
[08:43] <smile4ever> charl: It's not easy to get info from a website which doesn't provide an api
[08:43] <smile4ever> because you'll need to parse the html
[08:43] <magespawn> with the rand that could be a day long job
[08:43] <charl> smile4ever: there are a bunch of forex apis but html scraping is simple, i used to do it a lot
[08:43] <charl> smile4ever: all you need is a powerful tagsoup parsing lib like jsoup
[08:44] <charl> smile4ever: i used jsoup in both java and python (jython)
[08:45] <smile4ever> charl: in order to edit, you also need an api key
[08:45] <smile4ever> which I'm not familiar with
[08:45] <charl> that's the problem
[08:45] <charl> i don't know how to do that either
[08:45] <smile4ever> I know how to get results from the api, but not how to edit with the api :)
[08:47] <smile4ever> You can't do everything with a bot though, there were two articles where I had difficulty to fix them :)
[08:47] <smile4ever> (out of 15)
[08:47] <charl> looking at https://github.com/MediaWiki-Bot/MediaWiki-Bot
[08:47] <charl> it's perl unfortunately
[08:48] <Squirm> magespawn: and Arduino would control it
[08:49] <Squirm> s/and/an
[08:50] <magespawn> Squirm: and if you could link it to Maaz it really would make the coffee when you asked it to
[08:50] <Squirm> definitely doable
[08:50] <smile4ever> charl: isn't perl difficult to read? :)
[08:51] <trender> *coff* ardiuno ...why cant people program proper microcontrollers why all the modern laziness ?
[08:51] <charl> yeah i hate it with a passion
[08:51] <charl> perl i mean
[08:51] <charl> but you can also write clean perl code if you have dicipline
[08:51] <charl> i'm reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Creating_a_bot now
[08:51] <charl> this definitely looks doable
[08:51] <charl> but it will require some time
[08:51] <Squirm> yes
[08:52] <charl> i'm not really involved with the wikipedia project so i'm not "in it"
[08:52] <Squirm> the hardest part will be actually controlling the coffee machine
[08:53] <charl> what kind of coffee machine are you looking at? a simple drip-filter machine?
[08:53] <charl> it can't be that difficult - it has two states - on and off :)
[08:55] <Squirm> yeah
[08:55] <Squirm> just realised that
[08:55] <Squirm> thinking you could just hack the on/off switch
[08:55] <Squirm> connect a Pi powered relay
[08:56] <charl> there are power plugs you can buy that will do this
[08:56] <charl> just connect the coffee machine to the adapter and then the adapter to the wall
[08:56] <charl> you switch the coffee on using a remote control
[08:56] <Squirm> na
[08:57] <charl> i'm sure you could hack the remote control and operate it from a microcontroller
[08:57] <charl> it's just a button you press
[08:57] <Squirm> I bought a few Solid State Relays off of ebay(like 3GBP each incl. postage)
[08:58] <Squirm> busy making an app in python for android that will turn a few lights in my house on/off and my geyser
[08:58] <charl> you want to put the microcontroller inside the coffee machine?
[08:58] <charl> you will need to find enough space
[08:58] <Squirm> no no
[08:58] <Squirm> think of an on off switch on the coffee machine
[08:59] <charl> if you do it external you have a mess of electronics in your kitchen, an environment with water everywhere
[08:59] <Squirm> that's what an SSR is
[08:59] <Squirm> besides - I don't own a coffee machine
[08:59] <charl> yes i know what an SSR is but you will need to control it
[09:00] <charl> the control signal
[09:00] <Squirm> via network cable connected to my Pi
[09:00] <charl> that's possible
[09:00] <Squirm> using it just to drive the 3v
[09:01] <charl> you will still need to run the network cable, that's why i was thinking it would be better to do with with a wireless remote control
[09:01] <smile4ever> Squirm: cool, pi model B? :)
[09:01] <charl> but if you want to do it for lights, geyser etc, a cable is perfect
[09:02] <Squirm> charl: that is true
[09:02] <tonberryE352> are we arguing about microcontrollers and i missed it?
[09:02] <Squirm> smile4ever: model B, Rev A
[09:02] <smile4ever> Squirm: so 256MB ram? :p
[09:02] <Squirm> rev 1*
[09:03] <Squirm> smile4ever: indeed :/
[09:03] <charl> tonberryE352: shame on you :)
[09:03] <tonberryE352> trender because sometimes it is better to have slow working code that was quickly developed
[09:03] <tonberryE352> but in general I love avr but avoid ardiuno
[09:10] <smile4ever> Squirm: Oh. :(
[09:11] <Squirm> but I seem to have broken my SD card slot :/
[09:12] <tonberryE352> how do you break an sd card slot?
[09:12] <Squirm> tried gluing a Micro Sd adapter to it, but seems to have not made proper contac
[09:12] <Squirm> t
[09:12] <tonberryE352> oh
[09:13] <tonberryE352> superglue I assume?
[09:13] <Squirm> another form of contact adhesive
[09:13] <Squirm> hope I can pull it off nicely
[09:14] <tonberryE352> otherwise find another adapter and deadbug it on top of the slot
[10:24] <magespawn> later all home time, taking wife to doctor 
[10:24] <psyatw> hello magespawn
[10:24] <psyatw> see you later, good luck with the wife
[10:25] <magespawn> hey psyatw, thank you
[10:31] <Kilos> aw sup magespawn 
[10:31] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[10:32] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[10:32] <charl> hi psyatw 
[10:32] <charl> how's it going in poland
[10:33] <psyatw> hi charl
[10:33] <psyatw> it´s going quite well actually
[10:33] <psyatw> I work and I survive
[10:34] <Kilos> life goes on
[10:34] <psyatw> yesterday I downloaded lots of books on Oracle, SAP and Linux
[10:34] <psyatw> and I will download even more when I am back at home tonight
[10:34] <charl> linux ok great but oracle and sap?
[10:34] <psyatw> I intend to study these things of course
[10:35] <charl> we use a lot of oracle and sap where i work, i would not encourage it :)
[10:35] <psyatw> well, I work at Ciber, a cloud company
[10:35] <psyatw> I know :)
[10:35] <psyatw> but it´s always good to know about that stuff, I think
[10:35] <psyatw> I want to move away from service desk as soon as possible
[10:36] <psyatw> it doesn´t add anything to my life or experience, even though it´s been interesting so far
[10:36] <charl> i have a lot of respect for service desk people because their job is not always easy dealing with angry users
[10:36] <charl> but it's definitely not something i would consider a career for myself
[10:37] <charl> i think i would go nuts in a week
[10:37] <psyatw> I know, that´s why it´s a good thing that I have been doing this for two months now
[10:37] <psyatw> exactly
[10:37] <psyatw> and I know too much to be actually working here
[10:38] <psyatw> but as I said it allowed me to come to Poland to explore my opportunities from relatively humble beginnings
[10:39] <charl> took a look at ciber - interesting company but the term "cloud" seems to have been watered down now to a point of meaninglessness
[10:39] <charl> it's a case of "just do whatever you have been doing before and call it cloud"
[10:40] <charl> then you're also Hype Approved (tm)
[10:41] <charl> taking a look at https://www.linuxliteos.com/
[10:41] <psyatw> yeah
[10:42] <charl> very promising lightweight ubuntu derivative
[10:42] <psyatw> I have mostly been dealing with system stuff myself and I find that most interesting
[10:42] <psyatw> but I also need to provide the skills that are asked for in the market, so I will be working on that for the time being
[10:44] <psyatw> not to mention wanting to get back into university after leaving delft, I guess I´ll continue my studies at open universiteit
[10:46] <charl> i saw this the other day: http://www.universiteitvannederland.nl/
[10:46] <charl> i hope they will do some good ict-related stuff
[10:47] <Vince-0> psyatw, why not LPI and ITIL ?
[10:47] <charl> Vince-0: ITIL ?!?!
[10:48] <psyatw> Vince-0: I am a programmer at heart, but I know system administration too, so I will do those too at some point
[10:49] <charl> is that becoming popular in .za now too?
[10:49] <Vince-0> yar
[10:50] <charl> i feel so sorry for you :)
[10:50] <Vince-0> see some of the Amazon support role specs 
[10:51] <psyatw> btw, hi Vince-0 :)
[10:52] <charl> i had my own version of ITIL, i call it "KITIL" (sounds like "kietel" which in dutch means to tickle someone)
[10:52] <Vince-0> haai!
[10:52] <Vince-0> LPI is a piece of cake
[10:53] <charl> why do it then?\
[10:53] <Vince-0> LPI 2+3 are being revised in November
[10:53] <Vince-0> charl, just a piece of paper so I can rightfully call myself a Linux admin
[10:53] <charl> hmmm
[10:54] <charl> have you heard of PRINCE2 yet?
[10:54] <Vince-0> two 90 minute multiple choice exams online @ R1125, gets your Comptia Linux+, LPI1 and Novel Cert Admin
[10:54] <Vince-0> PRINCE2 yar
[10:54] <Vince-0> but that's heavy weight when compared to a ITIL foundation course
[10:55] <charl> regrettable, i'm so sorry to hear
[10:55] <charl> :)
[10:55] <Vince-0> think the PRINCE2 stuff is based on US processes, ITIL comes from UK IT office
[10:55] <charl> no prince2 is from the uk as well
[10:55] <charl> same people that developed itil
[10:57] <Vince-0> the ITIL foundation course is a piece of cake too - so LPI1 and ITIL foundation are quick wins for getting certs
[10:57] <charl> yeah i know i am itil v3 certified
[10:57] <charl> just study through the mock exams
[10:57] <charl> and pay attention in class
[10:58] <Vince-0> class! that's a costly exercise
[10:58] <Vince-0> I just got the books
[10:58] <psyatw> I guess I will study ITIL v3 too, just to have it
[10:59] <Vince-0> there are local test centers so its easy
[10:59] <charl> i don't know if you really need it but i got it along with a group at work
[11:00] <charl> do people really care about certifications that much in ict?
[11:00] <charl> my experience has been quite the opposite
[11:00] <Vince-0> usually, depends on the company
[11:01] <charl> afaik nobody ever asked me about my qualifications, i don't care, i have a bachelors
[11:01] <charl> that's all i need :)
[11:03] <Vince-0> ya that gets you in the door
[11:03] <Vince-0> easy
[11:04] <Vince-0> RHCE is on the cards for me next year
[11:06] <psyatw> :)
[11:06] <psyatw> I will work on getting mine too
[11:08] <Vince-0> yoh, Gnome3 GUI just froze on desktop preview - 
[11:12] <charl> i ran gnome3 for about a year - it wasn't very stable
[11:12] <charl> eventually moved away to kde4 and then to i3
[11:13] <Vince-0> Still Fedora 17 here, very nice other than that - haven't updated in a while
[11:13] <charl> oh yeah i remember it
[11:14] <charl> tried it out but am not a big redhat fan
[11:14] <psyatw> neither am I
[11:14] <psyatw> they work on cool stuff but I usually find their distribution unusable on the desktop
[11:16] <charl> i just think apt is miles ahead of yum
[11:16] <charl> on old pcs yum also used to be super slow
[11:19] <psyatw> that is the case too, yes
[11:20] <Vince-0> nort ey, RH for the win
[11:21] <charl> http://en.rocketnews24.com/2013/07/01/the-restaurant-that-powered-the-team-behind-one-of-nintendos-biggest-hits/
[11:21] <charl> food looks delicious
[11:21] <charl> watched the video
[11:49] <Kilos> 2400000 is that 2.4 gig
[11:49]  * Kilos gets mixed up with how many zeroes are needed
[11:54] <Kilos> charl, whats with http://scholarcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4830&context=etd
[11:54] <Kilos> the bot says its forbidden
[12:05] <Kilos> inetpro, hehe cheap android fone??
[12:05] <Kilos> over a grand
[12:11] <inetpro> Kilos: where did you look around?
[12:12] <Kilos> http://www.pricecheck.co.za/categories/f/126/Cellular+Phones/f/269/Android/0/tp.weekly/DESC/
[12:12] <Kilos> i googled cheapest android fones and it came up with best android phones
[12:12] <Kilos> grrr
[12:20] <inetpro> Vodacom used to have cheap Vodafone branded android phones
[12:21] <inetpro> can't find one now
[12:22] <Kilos> np ty sir
[12:23] <inetpro> the Samsung Galaxy Pocket = R 899 .00 at Vodacom
[12:23] <inetpro> there should be something more in line with that
[12:23] <Kilos> eish i think ill try with a wireless card in pc first
[12:24] <Kilos> if it works its only R250 used
[12:25] <inetpro> Kilos: get the specs before you buy
[12:26] <Kilos> well it must work on either ubuntu or win 7 so i gotta take a chance
[12:26] <Kilos> peeps dont wanna gives specs in mail;
[12:26] <Kilos> they think you gonna then shop around i spose
[12:26] <Kilos> we gotta go to closest shop
[12:27] <Kilos> when we can swaar blew head gasket on sis's car when heater pipe burst sunday
[12:27] <inetpro> Kilos: you should perhaps look at getting a USB dongle rather than a PCI card
[12:27] <inetpro> unless others disagree
[12:28] <Kilos> usb dongle for?
[12:28] <inetpro> usb wifi dongle
[12:28] <Kilos> oh my
[12:29] <Kilos> everything coming in usb
[12:29] <Kilos> whew
[12:29] <inetpro> a PCI adapter may give many headaches to make it work on Ubuntu
[12:29] <Kilos> ill check what i find in them ty
[12:29] <Kilos> oh my
[12:30] <inetpro> a USB dongle would most likely be just plug and play
[12:30] <Kilos> cool
[12:31] <inetpro> but I can't tell for sure because I haven't played around in this area
[12:31] <inetpro> just going on what others have told me
[12:31] <Kilos> i see one for R236
[12:31] <Kilos> ah ty for the info
[12:33] <inetpro> Kilos: they tell me you must look around in the small electronics shops
[12:33] <inetpro> R236 sounds a bit much
[12:34] <Kilos> oh
[12:34] <plustwo> Kilos: how soon you want this?
[12:35] <plustwo> i can check for you tomorrow, how much they go for. lower than that price
[12:35] <Kilos> hehe funny question
[12:35] <plustwo> oh! hi everyone
[12:35] <Kilos> got sis chafing at the bit to get tab working
[12:35] <Kilos> hi plustwo 
[12:36] <plustwo> o/
[12:36] <plustwo> ok
[12:36] <inetpro> ahh thanks plustwo, I knew you would be able to help with this
[12:36] <Kilos> inetpro, also then there is also the sharing to figure out
[12:36] <charl> congratulations, i see south africa has joined the european union http://www.efnet.org/?module=servers&server_id=93
[12:37] <plustwo> no problem, will update you tomorrow.
[12:37] <Kilos> so i will need to share usb 3g and usb wireless from tab
[12:37] <charl> israel too http://www.efnet.org/?module=servers&server_id=33
[12:37] <Kilos> talk to me plustwo 
[12:38] <charl> Kilos: i can open the above url fine
[12:38] <charl> Kilos: this one: http://scholarcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4830&context=etd
[12:38] <plustwo> i think you'll need to access wireless from tab to 3g.
[12:39] <Kilos> if thats possible thats good plustwo price?
[12:39] <inetpro> Kilos: your phone will be your 3g and the wifi dongle will be the AP for the tab
[12:39] <Kilos> my 3g modem must be the internet
[12:40] <Kilos> stupid tablet should come with that in the swines
[12:41] <Kilos> im not buying a fone as well so she can get a couple of books a month and emails
[12:42] <inetpro> Kilos: might be a bit tricky, that is why I prefer keeping these things separate 
[12:42] <Kilos> when one data cable connects a tablet to a pc should you have full control of the tablet from the pc
[12:43] <plustwo> that would be a wired connection from the pc to the tab. not a wireless one
[12:44] <Kilos> or just the ability to drag drop stuff to it\
[12:44] <plustwo> drag and drop, yes.
[12:44] <Kilos> yes plustwo but i dunno how to make the tablet then use the 3g
[12:44] <Kilos> and it needs to get an ebook reader
[12:45] <plustwo> ok
[12:46] <plustwo> ebook reader application you mean, oom?
[12:46] <inetpro> Kilos: take one step at a time
[12:47] <inetpro> you need internet access first
[12:47] <Kilos> ya maybe first get wifi working i think
[12:47] <Kilos> oh ya
[12:48] <Kilos> i googled last night but everything shows tethering etc to a cellphone
[12:49] <Kilos> cant find how to do something similar to ssh with masquerading
[12:50] <Kilos> charl, what does it say there for formula for wifi antenna
[12:51] <inetpro> Kilos: obviously you should be able to connect to the internet from any other hotspot out there
[12:51] <Kilos> there arent any near inetpro 
[12:51] <Kilos> that one i told you about last night is the closest and it behind the mountain
[12:52] <Kilos> that park place
[12:52] <Kilos> grrr
[12:52] <inetpro> visit any McDonalds
[12:52] <Kilos> lol
[12:52] <inetpro> or Wimpy
[12:53] <Kilos> nee man
[12:53] <inetpro> or the library
[12:53] <Kilos> i must make it work from here
[12:53] <Kilos> no other option
[12:53] <inetpro> or some filling station
[12:54] <Kilos> do filling stations have wifi?
[12:54] <inetpro> some of them have these days, just ask around
[13:00] <Kilos> ok ty
[13:01] <Kilos> yes plustwo the ebook reader. ive download some epub boots here for her but the thing cant open them
[13:01] <Kilos> grrr
[13:02] <Kilos> thought at least id give her something to read
[13:02] <Kilos> hehe
[13:02] <Superhuman> Kilos: is it an Android tab?
[13:02] <Kilos> keep her busy for a while
[13:02] <plustwo> ok, try ireader or moon+ reader...
[13:03] <Kilos> yes superfly a blaupunkt etab 0507
[13:03] <plustwo> if it's an android tab
[13:04] <Kilos> i looked at some readers for the thing from here but they want to directly install not download here and drag/drop there to install
[13:04] <Superhuman> ok, I personally use Aldiko ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aldiko.android ) but on some devices it doesn't work, then try eBook Reader ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ebooks.ebookreader ) 
[13:05] <Kilos> as inetpro says i gotta get it to connect to the internet first
[13:05] <Superhuman> Jip.
[13:05] <Kilos> what a schlep
[13:06] <Kilos> in the book it even says linux compatible
[13:06] <Kilos> hehe
[13:06] <Superhuman> You connecting 3G and/or Wifi (if I scan the convo correctly), what seems to be the issue?
[13:06] <Kilos> now i hear you got linux fix it
[13:06] <Kilos> it has no built in 3g
[13:06] <Kilos> only wifi
[13:08] <Superhuman> Eish, pain in the @..
[13:08] <Kilos> tell me about it i cant even sit down anymore
[13:09] <Kilos> hehe
[13:09] <Superhuman> I suppose you don't have a wifi router for it to connect to?
[13:09] <Kilos> no router at all
[13:09] <Kilos> only 3g dongle here
[13:10] <Superhuman> Ouch, yeah, the only way tethering works at the moment is pc-to-mobile-device
[13:10] <Superhuman> so at the moment you can't connect it to a pc and then use the pc's internet connection...
[13:10] <Kilos> ya thats all i found too
[13:10] <Kilos> grrr
[13:11] <Superhuman> I've tried it a million times.
[13:11] <Kilos> oh my
[13:11] <Superhuman> The best solution is to get a cheap wifi router, and connect it up to the pc with a lan cable, and use the pc as the gateway for the tablet.
[13:12] <Superhuman> So basically connection the tablet to the router, then setting the settings via dhcp (dhcp server: router or pc).
[13:12] <Kilos> well if anyone here has one for sale they must just shout
[13:14] <Superhuman> you a neasily pick up a cheapy between R250 and R500. I wouldn't trust the R250 one, but it can be a good start, as long as it is a known brand.
[13:14] <Kilos> whew where
[13:14] <Kilos> 250 is good
[13:14] <Superhuman> I have the same situation at home. Just haven't had the chance to actually do someting about it.
[13:14] <Kilos> speed dont matter
[13:15] <Kilos> the pro said ask if someone has upgraded to a better router and wants to sell the old one
[13:21] <inetpro> Kilos: Superhuman actually has a good suggestion that I didn't even think about
[13:22] <Superhuman> There used to be a cheap TrendNet one, but it seems to have been discontinued. New ones: http://www.pricecheck.co.za/search/?search=wifi+router&search_category_id=191&sort=price%20asc
[13:22] <Superhuman> Otherwise look for secondhand ones on JunkMail or Olx.
[13:22] <inetpro> those older routers without 3g but with wifi should work just fine with your PC acting as a gateway
[13:23] <Superhuman> bid or buy might have a s well.
[13:23] <Kilos> ah ty
[13:24] <Superhuman> When I want to try out something like this, my first stop is a dodgy electronics shop (the cheap ones that sell airtime, cellphones, radios and teddy bears).
[13:25] <Superhuman> They normally have import electronics that are cheap and work for about 6months depending on quality.
[13:25] <Superhuman> I got away with 7.1 surround sound headset from one for about R200. They are still working, 3 years later.
[13:26] <inetpro> Superhuman: or they might even have cheap 2nd hand stuffs
[13:26] <Superhuman> true
[13:26] <Kilos> i dont get around do do shop so dont even know where them places are anymoreping 
[13:26] <Kilos> where did that ping come from
[13:26] <Kilos> i didnt type that
[13:27] <Kilos> oh anymore shopping
[13:27] <Superhuman> My local one is next to our spar.
[13:27] <Kilos> whew
[13:27] <inetpro> Kilos: what ping are you talking about?
[13:28] <Kilos> anymoreping
[13:28] <Superhuman> Every mall/shopping centre has one. You just gotta know where to look. They are ussually disguised as cellphone shops.
[13:28] <Kilos> i dunno what happened to that sentence
[13:28] <inetpro> hmm... my eyes didn't even see it :-)
[13:29] <Kilos> weird
[13:53] <Kilos> sigh power went
[14:02] <Kilos> inetpro, found a solution
[14:02] <Kilos> http://pretoria.olx.co.za/billion-3g-wireless-7300nx-router-r300-as-new-iid-523791519
[14:02] <Kilos> just need someone to go get it
[14:02]  * Kilos ducks
[14:03] <Kilos> is it on your way home?
[14:12] <Kilos> eish we cant even get to fone him. sigh
[14:12] <Kilos> maybe he is busy with his fone
[14:15] <inetpro> Kilos: sounds like a good deal, just keep calling, or try another similar option 
[14:16] <Kilos> i mailed him too
[14:16] <Kilos> hope it aint sold
[14:24] <Kilos> eish he has someone coming tonight to look at it
[14:33] <Kilos> he couldnt get it working so bought another one which he cant get working either
[14:42] <Kilos> http://pretoria.olx.co.za/d-link-adsl-3g-wireless-router-iid-517885230
[14:42] <Kilos> r@%)
[14:42] <Kilos> R250
[14:50] <Kilos> gi georgelappies theblazehen 
[14:50] <Kilos> hi as well
[14:51] <theblazehen> hi Kilos 
[14:51] <Kilos> too much googling flattens head
[15:18] <Kilos> hi Cantide 
[15:18] <Cantide> hey Kilos :)
[15:55] <magespawn> evening all
[15:55] <Cantide> evening~
[15:55] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[15:55] <Kilos> hi neo31 
[15:56] <Kilos> you a linux guru or you need help?
[15:56] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[15:57] <neo31> hi Kilos 
[15:58] <neo31> hello folks :)
[15:59] <magespawn> hi neo31 
[16:00] <magespawn> Kilos: i think if every one was like you people like me would be out of a job
[16:01] <Kilos> oh my what did i do now
[16:01] <magespawn> you now going on about a router just to set up a shared internet connection
[16:03] <magespawn> if that is not geeky, then i do not ono
[16:03] <Kilos> lol
[16:03] <magespawn> if that is not geeky, then i do not know what is
[16:03] <Kilos> sistersare like wives man
[16:04] <Kilos> if they not happy you eat bread only
[16:04] <Vince-0> Haai
[16:04] <magespawn> indeed
[16:05] <magespawn> hey Vince-0 
[16:05] <Vince-0> Blerry Monday is over, whoot
[16:05] <Kilos> hehe
[16:06] <Cantide> haha
[16:06] <Cantide> i finished work at 2 pm today :)
[16:06] <Cantide> nicest Monday everrrrrrrrr
[16:07] <Kilos> lol
[16:28] <Kilos> so where are all our hams
[16:28] <Cantide> i ate them
[16:29] <Kilos> is the formula 492/freq in meg still the same for a 2.4g antenna
[16:29] <Kilos> radio hams man
[16:29] <Kilos> amateur radio guys
[16:29] <Cantide> :p
[16:29] <Cantide> i have no idea about that stuff :p
[16:33] <Kilos> i dunno what to google for, my radio notes are from 1979
[16:49] <georgelappies> hi Kilos
[17:49] <magespawn> later all, bed time
[17:50] <Kilos> toods magespawn 
[17:50] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:39] <smile4ever> bye
[18:52] <Kilos> methinks only leaks can be from peeps riding past looking for wifi connections hey?
[19:16] <inetpro> good evening
[19:16] <inetpro> Kilos: have you found a router yet?
[19:17] <Kilos> so that one aint sold. inetpro sis picking it up tomorrow
[19:17] <Kilos> and good evening
[19:17] <inetpro> Kilos: you mean the d-link?
[19:17] <Kilos> Billion 3G Wireless 7300nx router
[19:18] <inetpro> ah
[19:18] <Kilos> then we start all over to get it working
[19:19] <Kilos> ive never seen a router even
[19:20] <Kilos>  but its progress in the pc world
[19:20] <inetpro> don't worry, no need to have a helicopter pilot license
[19:21] <Kilos> haha
[19:22] <Kilos> i send that script i use to get 3g working here to that johan on the list but no reply yet
[19:23] <deegee_1> o/
[19:23] <inetpro> I see that is not a 3g router like the new ones but it should work perfectly the way Superhuman described this afternoon
[19:24] <Kilos> whew i better go find that and save it
[19:24] <Kilos> yo deegee_1 
[19:25] <inetpro> for 3g connectivity in this router it looks like you need a 3g usb modem
[19:25] <deegee_1> oi Kilos; i'm using a telkom routerADSL or 3g  usb modem
[19:25] <inetpro> but your pc will act as a router
[19:25] <deegee_1> the router is connecting my pcduino via wireless
[19:25] <Kilos> oh dont the tablet see the 3g
[19:25] <inetpro> deegee_1: wb
[19:26] <deegee_1> inetpro: hi
[19:27] <inetpro> Kilos: don't stress about things now, just get the thing and peeps will start helping when you have it
[19:28] <Kilos> cool ty
[19:28] <Kilos> dont it take the sim in it
[19:28] <inetpro> if there's no hardware issues you should be fine
[19:28] <Kilos> or does the 3g dongle have to stay on pc?
[19:28] <inetpro> Kilos: nope, looks like it doesn't take a sim
[19:28] <Kilos> oh my
[19:29] <Kilos> whats the good of calling it a 3g modem then
[19:29] <Kilos> 3g router
[19:30] <inetpro> Using the integrated USB 2.0 ports, the device allows you to share a blistering wired or 3G-based wireless Internet connection with multiple computers or laptops.
[19:30] <inetpro> it has a usb port where you could plug in a 3g usb modem
[19:30] <inetpro> but I don't think you'll need that
[19:31] <Kilos> if i put the 3g in there will the tablet then go via the router to the internet
[19:32] <deegee_1> need help to setting up freeradius on ubuntu, google just gives out a lot of dead end links on some info. any help with links will help greatly. tnx in advance.
[19:32] <inetpro> could almost be false advertising if you ask me
[19:32] <inetpro> Kilos: we will have to help you to set up your PC as the router
[19:33] <Kilos> • 3G network sharing
[19:33] <Kilos>  • Storage: FTP server, samba server
[19:33] <inetpro> actually you've already done exactly that when you connected your 2nd PC
[19:33] <Kilos> what does that mean
[19:33] <Kilos> http://www.billion.com/product/3g/BiPAC-7300NX-3G-Wireless-N-ADSL2-Firewall-Router.html
[19:34] <Kilos> long way down
[19:34] <Kilos> by usb application server
[19:35] <inetpro> well you could use that but I doubt you need all that
[19:36] <Kilos> oh well when its here ill start thinking about it
[19:36] <Kilos> do those things come with install cds for winsucks
[19:36] <Kilos> i might have to change some things in nm setup
[19:37] <Kilos> now it must just be locked to cellc or voda and ill cry
[19:38] <inetpro> it shouldn't
[19:38] <inetpro> well actually I don't see how they would do that
[19:40] <Kilos> oh not like 3g modems
[19:40] <Kilos> and some wireless dongles like the vodafone one
[19:41] <Kilos> im sure the vodafone  one wont take 8ta'
[19:41] <inetpro> Kilos: actually I'm not sure whether it is worth paying R250 for this thing but it will be good enough for your current needs 
[19:42] <Kilos> whew explain inetpro 
[19:42] <inetpro> well it is 2nd hand after all
[19:42] <Kilos> oh you didnt read
[19:43] <inetpro> I'm not quite sure what similar devices go for these days
[19:43] <inetpro> I didn't read?
[19:43] <Kilos> the okey bought it and he couldnt get it working so bought another one and couldnt get that working either
[19:43] <Kilos> i think their price is 900+
[19:43] <inetpro> ah, ok
[19:44] <Kilos> i thought its a good price if he is telling the truth
[19:44] <Kilos> he works at club motors
[19:45] <Kilos> so i can always go visit with a baseball bat
[19:45] <Kilos> hehe
[19:45] <Kilos> or send you okes
[19:46] <inetpro> :-)
[19:46] <inetpro> well sounds like a good deal then
[19:47] <Kilos> i think so
[19:48] <Kilos> deegee_1, does ubuntu see the router and the router the 3g or does ubuntu still see the 3g
[19:50] <deegee_1> yes, it does see the router wirelessly.
[19:50] <Kilos> oh my
[19:50] <Kilos> here the router will be over eth
[19:50] <deegee_1> router is connected  to 3g usb dongle to the internet
[19:51] <Kilos> so ubuntu dont worry about the modem then
[19:51] <deegee_1> your router will have eth ports and wireless aerials.
[19:51] <deegee_1> nope
[19:51] <Kilos> cool
[19:51] <deegee_1> you controll the router via web interface
[19:52] <Kilos> hope the router recognises my modem
[19:52] <Kilos> otherwise ill have to leave the 3g in the pc
[19:52] <deegee_1> you tell your router to allow wireless clients (tab) to access the internet via the router
[19:53] <deegee_1> if the router has a usb port on it, then you can attach the 3g usb on the router
[19:53] <Kilos> and how do you block neighbours from using you wireless
[19:53] <deegee_1> then your wired pc to the router
[19:53] <deegee_1> you hide the ssid
[19:53] <inetpro> Kilos: in your case the router will just act as a switch with you phone still connected to your PC as always
[19:53] <Kilos> ya router has usb ports
[19:53] <inetpro> your PC will be the router
[19:54] <deegee_1> with a strong password as well
[19:54] <deegee_1> no, pc will be wired client to the router
[19:55] <deegee_1> your router whas the ability to distribute ip addresses automatically, dhcp.
[19:55] <Kilos> oh so i can use modem in pc or router
[19:55] <Kilos> oh ok
[19:55] <Kilos> whew head spinning all this new info so fast
[19:55] <deegee_1> you'll manage your internet connectivity from the web interface of the router.
[19:56] <Kilos> oh my more to learn
[19:56] <inetpro> Kilos: currently, as far as I understand, your pc initiates the 3g connection on your phone, am I right?
[19:56] <deegee_1> hope i explained in a basic way and not confusing way. i stand under correction.
[19:56] <Kilos> not fone man that arab 3g dongle
[19:57] <Kilos> alcatel dongle
[19:57] <inetpro> Kilos: ahh, ok I forgot about that arab thing
[19:57] <Kilos> lol
[19:57] <inetpro> so maybe it will just work
[19:57] <Kilos> old age
[19:57] <Kilos> lets hope
[19:58] <Kilos> thanks for all the info guys
[19:58] <Kilos> methinks bed time for ballies
[19:58] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[19:58] <inetpro> Kilos: good night oom
[20:00]  * deegee_1 continues with research ...
[20:01] <inetpro> sorry deegee_1, am to tired to even think about radius let alone help
[20:02]  * inetpro sal jou van die wal af in die sloot in help
[20:02] <deegee_1> no stress, will keep searching inetpro
[20:11]  * deegee_1 naps
[20:11] <deegee_1> inetpro: will look at this tomorrow; http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/print/tutorials/article.php/3834676/How-to-Use-FreeRADIUS-for-Wi-Fi-Authentication-Part-1.htm
[20:12] <inetpro> ok
[20:13] <deegee_1> bye