[00:44] <JoseeAntonioR> hey marcoceppi, around and free?
[03:39] <JoseeAntonioR> hey guys, question, how do I know which directory is the charm going to be into? let's say I want to use a.txt on my charm and I want to locate it, where would it be?
[03:40] <JoseeAntonioR> or I should just specify the directory?
[12:53] <marcoceppi> JoseeAntonioR: All hooks start in the root of the charm. There is also a $CHARM_DIR environment variable that is set, so if you ever cd out of the charm directory you can get back to it with that variable
[13:20] <sidnei> gary_poster: ping
[13:20] <gary_poster> sidnei, pong
[13:21] <sidnei> hi gary_poster, had a question about juju-gui: does it display services deployed via command line or only those dployed via the gui?
[13:21] <gary_poster> sidnei, all (both command line and gui)
[13:21] <sidnei> gary_poster: so if i have an existing environment and deploy juju-gui to it afterwards the existing services will show up just fine?
[13:22] <gary_poster> sidnei, yes
[13:22] <sidnei> gary_poster: mighty cool. thanks!
[13:22] <gary_poster> welcome sidnei :-)
[13:30] <sidnei> holy connected graph batman, it works.
[13:31] <beuno> sidnei, pic or it didn't happen
[13:32] <sidnei> beuno: http://ubuntuone.com/4q8wr0gtdb7Tyu5XDKsYX1
[13:33] <sidnei> gary_poster: btw, i was confused for several seconds while it loaded the environment, there was no visible indication that anything was happening
[13:34] <gary_poster> sidnei, for pic, majority of those are subordinates, right?
[13:34] <gary_poster> sidnei, I ask because we plan to make those pictures (with subordinate graphs in particular) a lot prettier for this cycle
[13:34] <sidnei> gary_poster: yes, and i think i might be misusing those subordinates, i believe only one would be ok for all services instead of one per service
[13:35] <gary_poster> cool sidnei, yeah.  IS likes separate ones in order to upgrade individually, so they have similar issues
[13:35] <gary_poster> even though yes, typically they could be collapsed
[13:35] <sidnei> gary_poster: ah, i knew there was a reason
[13:36] <gary_poster> sidnei, no visible indication anything was happening: we have a spinner which is supposed to give some visual reassurance.  was that early, late, absent, or insufficient?
[13:36] <gary_poster> "that" == the spinner
[13:39] <sidnei> gary_poster: i didn't see any spinner nope
[13:40] <gary_poster> weird sidnei, ok.  If you go to [GUI IP]/juju-ui/version.js in the browser what does it tell you?
[13:41] <sidnei> gary_poster: var jujuGuiVersionInfo=['0.6.1', '753'];
[13:41] <sidnei> gary_poster: ah, sorry. so reloading, there was indeed a spinner
[13:42] <gary_poster> sidnei, oh ok.  so it was insufficient
[13:42] <sidnei> gary_poster: so *after* the spinner, i got the open charm browser drawer and a blank canvas for like 60+ seconds
[13:42] <gary_poster> sidnei, ah!  ok, haven't seen.  I'll file a bug.  Thanks!
[13:42] <sidnei> gary_poster: and then i was clicking around and suddenly the services showed up magically
[13:43] <gary_poster> heh
[13:43] <gary_poster> ack, yeah, not cool.  I'll subscribe you to the bug, for the heck of it :-)
[13:44] <gary_poster> sidnei, probably doesn't matter, but just in case, what browser and what juju environment?
[13:44] <gary_poster> (ec2, openstack, etc. and pyjuju vs juju core)
[13:44] <sidnei> gary_poster: chrome Version 28.0.1500.63 beta, canonistack, pyjuju
[13:44] <gary_poster> perfect thanks again sidnei
[13:45] <sidnei> gary_poster: is there a planned feature to hide a specific service? nagios is like the eye of sauron and makes everything else impossible to see
[13:45] <gary_poster> sidnei, lol, yes, generally.  last two months of cycle is "environment power tools" for stuff like that.
[13:46] <sidnei> cool, thanks muchly
[13:50] <sidnei> http://ubuntuone.com/2VrziUdvYEXdOHo2Os117T with nagios removed and manually aligned things
[13:51] <gary_poster> much better :-)
[19:04] <sidnei> gary_poster: (or someone else) is there an svg of the juju logo?
[19:04] <gary_poster> sidnei, yeah...looking
[19:29] <robbiew> sidnei: still need that SVG file?
[19:29] <sidnei> robbiew: nope, got it
[19:29] <robbiew> I've got one, if so
[19:29] <robbiew> cool
[19:29] <sidnei> doing some slides for my presentation tomorrow, redoing niemeyer's diagrams
[19:40] <robbiew> nice!
[19:55] <Akira1> anyone have the link handy for the recorded version of friday's juju charm school?
[19:56] <robbiew> Akira1: https://juju.ubuntu.com/resources/videos/
[19:57] <robbiew> specifically -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08dOs3eO04M
[19:58] <Akira1> thanks :)
[19:58] <robbiew> Akira1: damn...but it looks like it wasn't recorded properly
[19:58] <Akira1> er, :~~~(
[19:58]  * robbiew checking
[19:58] <sidnei> gary_poster: going to http://uistage.jujucharms.com:8080/ gives me some unstyled html atm, as if the css isn't loading
[19:59] <robbiew> nevermind...user error
[19:59] <Akira1> yeah looks like it is ok to me
[19:59] <gary_poster> sidnei, don't see it.  more details?  Maybe dupe steps?
[20:00] <sidnei> gary_poster: i wonder if i got a broken cached version
[20:00] <sidnei> gary_poster: it loads instantly as if cached locally, but no css
[20:01] <sidnei> oh, not sure how i got to 8080
[20:01] <sidnei> :80 works fine
[20:01] <gary_poster> ok cool
[20:01] <gary_poster> though 8080 does for me too...
[20:01] <gary_poster> mm, one idea
[20:02] <gary_poster> sidnei, do you see uistage 8080 when you go to chrome://appcache-internals/
[20:02] <gary_poster> we don't use the appcache anymore
[20:02] <gary_poster> because of issues like this
[20:02] <sidnei> gary_poster: yup
[20:03] <gary_poster> sidnei, ah ok.  kill that and then 8080 will work fine too.
[20:03] <sidnei> Size: 29.8 kB
[20:03] <sidnei> Creation Time: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 4:25:00 PM
[20:03] <sidnei> Last Update Time: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 4:25:00 PM
[20:03] <sidnei> Last Access Time: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 5:00:12 PM
[20:03] <gary_poster> sidnei, yeah, pretty old :-)
[20:46] <balafi> will juju work with AWS free tier?
[20:47] <balafi> I try to follow the steps at juju documentation page and getting  'error: use of closed network connection' on 'juju bootstrap'
[20:47] <balafi> any help would be appreciated
[20:53] <balafi> ooops - it worked
[21:04] <balafi> I see the bootstrap instance in the EC2 management console but can't do 'juju status'
[21:04] <balafi> error: no instances found
[21:04] <henninge> balafi: give it some time to start up
[21:05] <henninge> balafi: Amazon free tier is for micro instances AFAIK but juju will spin up m1.small instances by default.
[21:05] <thumper> balafi: which zone?
[21:06] <balafi> us-west-2
[21:06] <thumper> balafi: I've had issues with ap-southeast-2
[21:06] <thumper> balafi: where the api lies
[21:06] <thumper> however us-* ones have been good generally
[21:06] <thumper> balafi: can you see it in the AWS web console (the instance)?
[21:06] <balafi> yes
[21:06] <balafi> its m1.small
[21:07] <balafi> its 'running', 2/2 check passed
[21:07] <henninge> I have ocasional problems in eu-west-1, too.
[21:07] <henninge> try juju status again.
[21:07] <balafi> I had hard time to bootstrap also
[21:08] <balafi> I was getting error and then it worked with me doing any changes
[21:08] <balafi> without changes
[21:09] <thumper> balafi: it seems to be a problem with the api
[21:09] <thumper> which makes me sad
[21:10] <thumper> as there is nothing I can help with immediately
[21:10] <balafi> no problem
[21:11] <henninge> thumper: I have seen occasional glitches in the api in the past, outside of juju. I think it wants very defensive programming. :-(
[21:12] <thumper> henninge: yeah... kinda sucks
[21:12] <thumper> I find it frustrating because ap-southeast-2 is closest to me
[21:12] <thumper> and it doesn't work very well
[21:12] <thumper> or at least, we don't work well with it
[21:13] <thumper> it seems weird that different regions have different API results
[21:13] <thumper> or interactions
[21:13] <thumper> versioning maybe?
[21:13] <thumper> I'm not sure, but a frustrated user
[21:15] <henninge> Hm, I have not yet used different regions, let alone compared results.