[02:12] ScottK: thanks! [02:26] jono: Part of the problem is that one advantage Canonical gets since they own both ends of the interface between Unity and Mir is the ability to change API as they need to to evolve things rapidly. That's great for Canonical, but perfectly unsuitable for anyone else. [02:42] Quintasan: thanks, yes, one of the reasons I really want Tanglu is because of systemd :P hopefully soon I can make a new update of sessionk [02:48] So, looking over sabfl's blog post on the CAG, I get the impression that we are supposed to be pleased Ubuntu will be even MORE about what Canonical's customers want and less about community input. [02:48] * ScottK doesn't get that. [04:55] hello all [04:57] sometimes kde crash on the daily. You know that ? [04:58] 4.10.90 [04:58] waitin for the daily of today. [05:26] dantti_laptop: Well, the systemd binary package is so crippled in Ubuntu I don't even know where to begin -> eg. no /lib/systemd/systemd binary [05:26] beacuse "We don't support systemd" [05:27] when we can see kde beta on the daily ? [05:30] cortexA9: You don't need to reinstall, so the daily doesn't matter. Just install all package updates and you'll have it. [06:21] good morning [06:28] Hello soee === pascal is now known as Guest56995 [09:03] Launchpad.net often reminds me of a black hole, so I'll ask. Did any of the KDE packagers see my bug with KRDC not working? https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/1196466 [09:03] Launchpad bug 1196466 in Kubuntu PPA "krdc xfreerdp version mismatch" [Undecided,New] [09:03] Guest56995: yes thanks, I do need to look into krdc, I'll tag that to make sure I find it again [09:03] Riddell: is someone going to update calligra to 2.6.4 [09:03] Riddell: Thanks :-) [09:05] ahoneybun: I've not heard of anyone working on it [09:05] ahoneybun: how did digikam go? [09:05] yofel finished it up [09:05] I see the backport ppa has 2.6.3 [09:06] ahoneybun: I'll kill your ec2 instance then [09:06] ok [09:07] ahoneybun: calligra 2.6.4 isn't a priority because there's the beta of 2.6.92 out there already, but if you're interested do let me know [09:07] (calligra is even more of a beast than digikam) [09:07] * ahoneybun is rethinking then [09:07] * apachelogger is bored by the locale madness -.- [09:08] apachelogger: have you not fixed it already? [09:08] rm -rf is the fix [09:08] elementary are using bounty's to get bugs fixed [09:09] QLocale::system() follows LC_NUMERIC when defined, and it's always defined on a somewhat recent install, but our KCM doesn't overwrite it.... [09:09] canonical tried bounties back when it started mostly for features, ended up being as much effort put into administration as into fixing the issues [09:09] oh [09:09] I'm looking for small packages to get my feet wet [09:11] ahoneybun: libkolab has a new version if you want to explore the world of libraries [09:12] partitionmanager could do with a sync from debian [09:12] or merge [09:12] Hey ahoneybun Riddell apachelogger [09:12] hey smartboyhw [09:13] Riddell: you mean kde partitionmanager [09:13] ? [09:13] * apachelogger looks at slowgit [09:13] smartboyhw: yo [09:13] ::qt-bugs:: [1196869] DBUs-Signatures are not verified aganist too long or messages or to deep recursions @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1196869 (by Walter Schneider) [09:13] ahoneybun: yes [09:13] * ahoneybun needs a to do list [09:14] weeeh, qt patches in lunchpad [09:14] ahoneybun, use Trello? [09:14] :@ [09:14] smartboyhw: maybe [09:14] apachelogger, :@:@:@:@:@:@:@:@:@:@:@:@:@:@:@:@:@:@ [09:15] I mean I only have like one thing if I want to [09:16] ahoneybun, sure, make a TODO:) [09:16] Riddell: we have 5 pages done for the Docs [09:16] smartboyhw: I know trello lol [09:16] ahoneybun, I know [09:16] ll [09:17] ahoneybun, so you wanna do the merge? [09:17] smartboyhw: wondering how to "merge" [09:18] ahoneybun, http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/udd-merging.html (but I think Riddell will use another method, dunno) [09:18] yeah I'll just do it manually [09:19] * smartboyhw wonders should he make an actual package of sessionk into archive:P [09:19] Since we got it in neon already [09:19] (Just kidding) [09:20] anyway off I go. [09:20] ahoneybun: https://merges.ubuntu.com/p/partitionmanager/ might be handy for the diff [09:20] ahoneybun: with any luck ubuntu changes won't be needed and you can just file a merge request on launchpad [09:21] ahoneybun: if ubuntu changes still needed then merge them in to the debian package, test and upload [09:22] Riddell, heck, we have that page? [09:22] * smartboyhw should have checked THAT out. [09:26] bah [09:26] pkg-kde-tools needs backporting [09:27] http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=clones%2Fkde-runtime%2Fsitter%2Fkubuntu.git [09:30] apachelogger: and what exactly is that? [09:31] a clone [09:31] I can see that, but why :P [09:33] because l10n is running wild [09:36] *shrug* [09:36] Interesting, I saw a debian-mentors email for RFS of rekonq 2.3.1:P [09:37] Just yesterday it seems [09:38] RFS = really flipping silly [09:38] ^^ [09:39] apachelogger, duh, it's Requesting for Sponsorship... [09:39] shadeslayer, why does pkg-kde-tools require backporting? [09:39] IIO [09:39] apachelogger, ? [09:39] isn't it obvious [09:39] smartboyhw: http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.10.90_quantal.html [09:40] shadeslayer, apachelogger ah ah ah ah ah ah [09:40] * smartboyhw has forgotten the backporting of 4.10.90 [09:40] so much backportery === smartboyhw changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | https://trello.com/kubuntu | https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas 4.10.90 saucy in archive, raring in beta ppa, quantal in staging PPA | 4.10.5 ninjas/raring WIP | 4.10.4 in raring-updates | 13.10 Alpha 1 released | 13.10 milestoned bugs tagged Kubuntu http://goo.gl/vHRjj [09:40] Heck, the 4.10.90 status is long enough:P [09:50] Guys, is there a reason not for us to package libdebconf-kde? [09:51] !info libdebconf-kde-dev [09:51] libdebconf-kde-dev (source: debconf-kde): Development headers for the Debconf KDE library. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2-2 (raring), package size 4 kB, installed size 51 kB [09:51] smartboyhw: WPIIS [09:51] you and your acronyms [09:51] it's the debian way [09:54] apachelogger, alright [09:54] apachelogger, hmm, it isn't latest [09:54] !info libdebconf-kde-dev saucy [09:54] libdebconf-kde-dev (source: debconf-kde): Development headers for the Debconf KDE library. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2-2 (saucy), package size 4 kB, installed size 51 kB [09:55] MEH [09:55] There's 0.3.0 out there now. [09:56] So, should I package 0.3? [09:56] *shrug* [09:56] JontheEchidna will know [09:56] Alright [09:57] !info libdebconf-kde-dev precise [09:57] libdebconf-kde-dev (source: debconf-kde): Development headers for the Debconf KDE library. In component main, is optional. Version 0.2-2 (precise), package size 4 kB, installed size 51 kB [09:57] :P It never changed [09:57] Very stable [09:58] and another qt5 try \o/ [10:15] hmm [10:15] fuck yeah it's over? [10:15] YES [10:15] I CAN GO BACK TO SERIOUS BUSINESS NOW [10:15] !language | Quintasan :P [10:15] Quintasan :P: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional. [10:16] * Quintasan throws a brick at smartboyhw [10:16] Quintasan: hm, so, kpeople [10:16] I'm always professional [10:16] * smartboyhw hides [10:16] Even when throwing bricks at people [10:16] Quintasan, not "family-friendly" [10:16] Hiyas all [10:16] smartboyhw: Being professional > being familiy-friendly [10:16] BluesKaj: hi there [10:16] shadeslayer: What do you want me to do with this? [10:16] Package for saucy? [10:17] hi Quintasan [10:17] Quintasan, but being family-friendly is what you should follow;P [10:17] Quintasan: I have some packaging in a ppa [10:17] smartboyhw: I don't think we have chil...oh wait :P [10:17] https://launchpad.net/~blue-shell/+archive/kpeople [10:17] Besides shadeslayer [10:17] * Quintasan throws a brick at shadeslayer [10:17] * shadeslayer blasts it with is laser [10:17] You are doing libkpeople dailies for ktp [10:18] hell [10:18] those are dailies [10:18] shadeslayer: Did it have a tarball release? [10:18] Quintasan: kinda, those are currently FTBFS and I was waiting for Martin to merge everything [10:18] Quintasan: nope [10:18] You do realise I'm generally against putting that stuff in repos [10:19] I can put it in KTp ppa if you want me to [10:19] it was never meant to go into repos [10:19] So what you want me to do dailies for it? [10:19] -waht [10:20] * Quintasan has trouble following shadeslayer line of thought [10:20] Quintasan: primarily those were a kind of experimental build [10:20] and never meant to really go into production [10:20] and then Martin changed the branch I think [10:21] I sometimes get the idea that almost anything you do is never meant for production :P [10:21] Well [10:21] -.- [10:21] Sure [10:21] I'll give it a go [10:22] feel free to, have fun keeping up with the branches :P [10:22] Christ [10:23] Good thing I read what people write to me [10:23] shadeslayer: [10:23] Quintasan: I don't think we want it packaged in the dailies just yet, as it needs a bit of work [10:23] but if you can do it in a week or two, that would be fantastic [10:23] Not doing it then [10:23] k [10:23] At least now [10:23] * apachelogger packages Quintasan [10:25] Quintasan, LOL [10:25] * smartboyhw removes all bricks from the channel [10:25] dput ppa:kubuntu-ninjas/ppa quintasan_1.0-0ubuntu1.dsc [10:25] apachelogger, :) [10:26] smartboyhw: ITQIV0.3A [10:28] apachelogger, please write full english [10:28] !english | apachelogger [10:28] apachelogger: The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are English only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList [10:28] Eh.... [10:29] smartboyhw: IAWEIJHTWABTITDWODT [10:29] apachelogger, !?!?!!?!?!!??!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!??!??!!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?! === smartboyhw changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: ! [10:29] :O [10:29] * smartboyhw revenges at apachelogger using that:P === smartboyhw changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | https://trello.com/kubuntu | https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas 4.10.90 saucy in archive, raring in beta ppa, quantal in staging PPA | 4.10.5 ninjas/raring WIP | 4.10.4 in raring-updates | 13.10 Alpha 1 released | 13.10 milestoned bugs tagged Kubuntu http://goo.gl/vHRjj [10:59] herp derp [10:59] Quintasan (1.0-0ubutu1) ACCEPTED [11:05] * Quintasan wonders if there is any merit in using Opera anymore === BluesKaj_ is now known as BluesKaj [11:17] * apachelogger fears that qt5 may be stuck again :O [11:18] ah phew [11:22] Riddell: why did we drop language-selector btw? [11:25] apachelogger: ubuntu was moving away from l-s IIRC [11:25] and this was discussed at the last UDS [11:25] well the codez still needs to be somewhere [11:25] the logic behind that is [11:26] apachelogger: seems like Qt5 built fine? [11:26] apachelogger: because ubuntu desktop were getting rid of it, except I suspect they never did [11:26] didn't I fix bug 964046 already [11:26] bug 964046 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "Blank, unselectable wallpaper listed in Desktop Settings" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/964046 [11:26] nope [11:26] I thought I did [11:26] apachelogger: that was for Riddell :P [11:26] apachelogger: your bug seems fixed [11:27] * Add kubuntu_dont_list_kde-default_wallpaper.patch to prevent our fake [11:27] wallpaper symlink kde-default.png from showing up in the dialog. [11:27] The code apparently doesn't like symlinks so it has no preview and it [11:27] was not meant to be used directly anyway. [11:27] 4:4.10.2-0ubuntu2 [11:27] Riddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/0.113 [11:27] so someone did do an upload to saucy with some features/fixes [11:28] yeah, I suspect they never did what they said they'd do of integrating it with the gnome bits [11:28] I think it's much nicer being integrated in, but it probably won't be as reliable at doing everything right [11:29] well, we need additional backing logic and some thigns simply don't map from a KDE perspective [11:29] e.g. locale formats [11:29] in KDE you can define semi-arbitrary combinations [11:29] posix doesn't have this flexibility [11:29] so [11:30] what we could do is introduce a new tab for system language configuration [11:30] or rather a new kcm I guess [11:31] right now you have no UI way to configure the global language anyway [11:31] that's just what language-selector was [11:31] we might as well go back to language-selector if we do that [11:31] yeah [11:31] which might be the best thing to do [11:31] I mean [11:31] we have a system vs user scope problem anyway [11:32] so at the very least there would need to be a button "apply these settigns to the entire system" [11:32] which is not very nice and given the mapping problems from kde to posix that may not work that well either [11:33] shadeslayer: so it seems qt5 built [11:33] but it has no multimedia and no qtwebkit [11:33] and why those two cause trouble is beyond me [11:33] particularly qtwebkit is just weird [11:33] recursively invoking qmake .... [11:33] makes no sense [11:34] I see [11:34] apachelogger: does it build locally? [11:34] no [11:34] well [11:34] so file a bug upstream? [11:34] it builds if I manually runt he commands [11:34] and it builds if I maually build it to begin with [11:34] it just doesn't build when run from dpkg-buildpackage [11:34] 0.o [11:35] and it doesn't have anything to do with the neon build magic either because plain dh also causes the problem [11:35] utterly weird [11:37] apachelogger: I thought qtwebkit had it's own git repo? [11:37] so? [11:37] did you merge everything together into one tar? [11:38] that's how building from source is supposed to be done [11:38] ( I haven't looked at the source at all ) [11:38] whut [11:38] there's a meta repo that git submodules everything [11:38] bleh [11:39] why not split it into different sources? [11:39] more work to maintain [11:39] but then it might work? [11:39] yes, then I might have worked around the problem [11:40] it = QtMultimedia / QtWebkit [11:40] which are not blocking kf5 [11:40] * shadeslayer looks at source [11:44] dh = -a [11:45] yofel: ^ [11:45] what does that do btw? [12:36] pkg-kde-tools uploaded [12:36] now to wait for it to build [12:47] ScottK: able to review the kscreen SRU? bug 1195806 [12:47] bug 1195806 in libkscreen (Ubuntu Raring) "libkscreen and kscreen SRU to raring" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1195806 [13:28] apachelogger: ask Quintasan why that's there, AFAICS that's redundant [13:29] what [13:29] I didn't do anything with that package [13:29] ask shadeslayer [13:30] *shrug* dunno myself [13:31] * shadeslayer is waiting for Neon Qt to build on his machine [13:32] Quintasan: I am fairly certain that you did touch project-neon-qt at some point :P [13:32] ehh [13:32] I could have touched it [13:32] although [13:32] but that was a long time ago [13:32] nvm [13:32] 38 yofel@g | dh = -a [13:32] -.- [13:35] hm, no, that's from you, I just moved that around [13:41] I have no idea what that does [13:41] I'm pretty much sure I never used that [13:46] yofel: Which package are we actually talking about? [13:46] neon qt(5) [13:46] project-neon5-qt5.install [13:46] this? [13:46] I didn't do that [13:46] no, rules [13:47] I didn't do that package at all [13:47] he forked that from qt-ubuntu [13:47] committer: Harald Sitter [13:47] huh [13:49] HMMMMM [13:49] Yes, indeed. Looks like I did that [13:49] But now I don't remember what that switch does [13:49] nor it's documented [13:50] Commands in the build-indep, install-indep and binary-indep sequences are passed the -i option to ensure they only work on architecture independent packages, and commands in the build-arch, install-arch and binary-arch [13:50] sequences are passed the -a option to ensure they only work on architecture dependent packages. [13:50] from the man page [13:53] ahhh [13:53] I was looking at man dh [13:53] not debhelper [13:53] duh [13:54] that is from man dh [13:54] :P [13:54] and what yofel said earlier, seems redundant [13:54] No it's not [13:55] oh wait [13:55] it's there as well [13:55] :) [13:55] I did /-a [13:55] Hidden as hell! [14:00] shadeslayer: akonadi-facebook is supposed to die, right? [14:01] kubotu: newversion libkgapi 2.0.1 [14:01] Quintasan: already did [14:01] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1196977 [14:01] or should have [14:01] * Quintasan purges akonadi-facebook [14:01] kubotu: newversion sflphone 1.2.3 [14:01] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1196978 === smartboyhw_ is now known as smartboyhw [14:03] * smartboyhw will do the libkgapi [14:04] It would be great if someone can do sflphone especially since 1.2.0 is stuck in -proposed due to armhf and powerpc build issues [14:05] shadeslayer, how did you fix a package (I forgotten which) with tests? [14:05] override_dh_auto_testsL [14:05] voila 'fixed' :P [14:07] shadeslayer, any commands beneath override_dh_auto_tests? [14:07] override_dh_auto_tests: [14:07] Uh huh [14:07] Then? [14:08] # Send a report to upstream about test breakage [14:08] done [14:08] That's just disabling them [14:08] shadeslayer's production work [14:08] :P [14:08] that's why I said 'fixed' [14:08] That's why I'm poking fun at you :P [14:08] Quintasan, any better ways to fix? [14:08] smartboyhw: Nope, patch the tests to work [14:09] no other way around it if they are broken [14:09] Quintasan, the problem is that it just can't find the tests [14:09] smartboyhw: Is this package supposed to go to main or it's in universe? [14:09] scramble ICBM's to upstream [14:09] Quintasan, that's universe [14:09] shadeslayer, what's ICBMs? [14:10] Leave them disabled then [14:10] smartboyhw: Intercontinental Ballistic Missle [14:10] smartboyhw: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercontinental_ballistic_missile [14:10] Okay, HQ out, heading for a meeting [14:10] shadeslayer, LOL [14:10] ScottK: I'm probably going to help out with systemd transition in Debian [14:11] shadeslayer, that doesn't disable them [14:12] pastebin rules [14:12] shadeslayer, http://paste.kde.org/787370/ [14:12] Oh damn, I know the problem [14:13] ^^ [14:13] the underscore [14:13] lol [14:13] dat underscore [14:13] Human stupidness:P [14:13] _______ [14:13] and the trailing s [14:13] -_________________________- [14:13] that too [14:13] mr wideface [14:13] shadeslayer, does that have an s? [14:13] smartboyhw: have you checked what is causing the failing tests though? [14:13] smartboyhw: no, dh_auto_test [14:14] shadeslayer, it's the same thing.... the files produced are .automoc.cpp files [14:14] what [14:14] I mean, the tests themselves [14:14] * shadeslayer checks [14:17] aha [14:17] yofel: most tests fail right now because we've disabled tests in kde4libs or sth right? [14:17] with errors like : Could not find executable /tmp/buildd/libkgapi-2.0.1/obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/tests/serviceslatitudetests.shell [14:17] Yes, that [14:20] shadeslayer: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-dev/user-manager/master [14:20] wat is dat? [14:20] # FIXME: Port tests to LibKGAPI2 [14:20] if (NOT KGAPI_DISABLE_DEPRECATED) [14:20] add_subdirectory(tests) [14:20] endif (NOT KGAPI_DISABLE_DEPRECATED) [14:20] that should be something like if (NOT KGAPI_DISABLE_DEPRECATED AND KDE4_BUILD_TESTS) [14:21] Quintasan: user manager kcm by afiestas_ [14:21] that we did not ship -.- [14:21] OOOH [14:21] * Quintasan tests [14:21] Yes [14:21] Looks MUUUUUUUUUCH better [14:22] shadeslayer: but yeah, that is because we have KDE4_BUILD_TESTS=FALSE in kdelibs (and pkg-kde-tools I think) [14:22] thought so ^^ [14:22] shadeslayer: Though not much development going on I see [14:22] I'll have a look at enabling that back tomorrow [14:22] but fix the upstream code to not even try to run the tests then [14:23] Quintasan: dunno, ask afiestas_ [14:23] well anyhow [14:23] afiestas_: Good job on this, it looks better than this crap we currently have but I'm still missing some advanced features [14:23] Quintasan: please listen to the last mumble meeting [14:24] it's intentionally designed like that [14:24] oh [14:24] We have kuser for that [14:27] Yes, this is actually better [14:29] Uh wait, how come does a libkgapi with version 2 produce libkgapi.so.1 !? [14:30] Uhh [14:30] Upstream forgot to bump the soname? Or it's binary compatible [14:30] Funny thing [14:30] smartboyhw: because those 2 things are totally unrelated? [14:31] yofel, oh? [14:31] W: libkgapi2: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libkgapi1 libkgapi2-2 [14:31] That's the strange thing [14:31] I can only recall when TO BUMP soname [14:31] yofel, ^ [14:31] So many strange SONAMES out there. [14:32] well, someone stuffed 2 libs into one package and misnamed the package at that [14:32] ah [14:32] yofel, what should I do then? [14:33] yofel: why are we not using Qt4 from archives for Neon 4? [14:33] yofel: let's say we have libkgapi 1.9.7, the library name would be libkgapi.so.1 and then upstream releases 2.0.1, the so name is going to get bumped anyways or it's going to stay at 1 is it's binary compatible? [14:33] smartboyhw: make split packages? [14:33] * Quintasan was never clear about that [14:33] Quintasan, the version before 2.0.0 was actually 0.4.4. [14:34] shadeslayer: because back in the dark days for the fuzzy past we were BIC with the archive [14:34]