[03:29] <luke1> hello all
[03:33] <SonikkuAmerica> Hello!
[03:44] <JesseH> Hello
[03:44] <JesseH> oh, bye
[05:51] <mikubuntu> could anyone tell me why my wireless login info doesn't persist between sessions? everytime i boot i have to enter the wireless passkey to connect -- this only started happening after i added the lubuntu-desktop to my *buntu several months ago.
[05:52] <mikubuntu> the wireless settings are checked for 'connect automatically'
[05:59] <JohnDoe_71Rus> check other connection to optoin 'connect automatically'
[05:59] <JohnDoe_71Rus> check option "use to other users"
[07:02] <mikubuntu> JohnDoe_71Rus: 'available to other users' is greyed out, won't let me check box it
[11:07] <pusah7> cannot find "Additional drivers" anymore... where did it go?
[11:14] <pusah7> anybody?
[11:15] <JesseH> pusah7, Not sure
[11:17] <pusah7> i think i may need some driver for my graphics card
[11:17] <pusah7> before it was easy. just go to "Additional drivers"
[11:18] <pusah7> problem is i don't see it anymore
[11:19] <JesseH> I'm sure you can find a work-around, you have the internet to help you.
[11:19] <pusah7> do you know where "software sources" is?
[11:22] <pusah7> is it just you and me here? i thought lubuntu was a big community....
[11:22] <JesseH> I think in lubuntu-software-center preferences.
[11:22] <JesseH> pusah7, I figured it would be quiet, doesn't matter ill support either way :P
[11:23] <Unit193> pusah7: System tools or Preferences, will be the last tab in Software Sources.
[11:24] <JesseH> pusah7, Check "/etc/apt/sources.list " too
[11:25] <pusah7> Unit193: ok found it. thank you
[11:26]  * JesseH needs to get another usb device so he can fiddle with lubuntu on his other computer. :P
[11:30] <pusah7> other question. i got the lubuntu disk with a magazine and after installation i have these ads-icons on my desktop. first question is: i can just delete them right? second question: is there a way of permanently getting rid of them in the guest session or must they be deleted at every new access?
[11:31] <JesseH> No idea heh
[11:31] <pusah7> Unit193: last help from you please :)
[11:32] <Unit193> Ads? Lovely...  You can check if there are any ad related packages, or packages related to the magazine company and remove them.
[11:34] <pusah7> ok thank you all and that will be it for me today :)
[11:34] <JesseH> (come back soon, to keep it active) lol
[11:35] <pusah7> :)
[11:35] <JesseH> or #lubuntu-offtopic :P
[11:56] <leszek> hi
[12:18] <JesseH> Sup leszek
[13:37] <trakinas> hi fellas!
[13:38] <trakinas> I had some troubles yesterdat booting Lubuntu PowerPC on an old iBook G3. (white clamshell).
[13:39] <trakinas> It would either freeze after the boot, with a message like "Fixed errors, reboot needed" or it would get distorced colours.
[13:40] <trakinas> The solutions were: Boot using either lubuntu-nosplash or lubunut-powerpc-nosplash for the former. And  use "lubuntu video=radeonfb:1024x768-32@60 for the later.
[13:41] <trakinas> I havent installed it yet, nor made a full test. but I could boot and get into the live cd Desktop. so here w have e my 2 cents. =]
[16:16] <holstein> trakinas: what version?
[16:16] <holstein> trakinas: one constant issue you will be faced with is that PPC is no longer officially supported
[16:16] <trakinas> holstein: 13.04 PPC
[16:17] <holstein> trakinas: there are not a lot of folks with the hardware available to test.. and thats not getting into the flash issues that are a reality assuming everything else works
[16:18] <holstein> what i do is headless, no GUI installs on PPC, but i have 10.04 still installed on the on i still have, and havent booted it up in years
[16:18] <trakinas> holstein: no problem. if i can setup a basic desktop it is fine. flash for me would be restricted to load youtube or other videos, and then download it with Unplug or other FF extractor plugin.
[16:19] <holstein> trakinas: flash doesnt support the ppc architecture at all.. ubuntu doesnt officially support PPC
[16:20] <holstein> trakinas: you are using EOL hardware that is challenging for any type of model to support.. commercial scenarios have long since stopped.. i would try and find a group of folks using any linux that all have the hardware
[16:20] <trakinas> also, Id be use that only for some browsing while away from home. my full desktop/workstation arent ppc, so no hassle  there.
[16:21] <trakinas> *using
[16:21] <holstein> OR, just give up on it, since any non-ppc hardware that matches the specs are likely very cheap/free these days
[16:21] <holstein> !ppc
[16:21] <trakinas> holstein: I have Debian PPC installed there, but some restrictions like not being able to install mini-tube make it kinda a pain to watch any video there.
[16:22] <holstein> trakinas: it will be a pain doing *anything* in a browser. .and it wil not ever get better.. only worse
[16:25] <trakinas> holstein: I know. I had to ressurect that hardware cause I was going to spend 2 months away from home, without access to linux. and since I was going to a linux training for LPIC, I had to have at leat a shell for some study. so it was cheaper to plug my USB wifi and put debian ppc there, than buying any new hardware.
[16:26] <trakinas> holstein: after I got home I thought about putting Lubuntu just to have something there, more "cute" than old XFCE, and with a few more resources.
[16:26] <holstein> sure.. but if i were going to do the same thing you are doing, i would literally get a crisp 20 dollar bill from my wallet, and get an intel machine fro the thrift store.. and not expect a supported/normal experience from PPC hardware under any os
[16:27] <holstein> running ubuntu or any variant in virtualbox would be preferable to PPC
[16:28] <trakinas> holstein: I dont expect a normal experience.  and I agree on that, but I could not use other's computer for that purpose. If I had the option, I would have used Vbox.
[16:29] <trakinas> regarding the thrift shop, I dont know any reliable thrift shop here. my friend had an old Latitude, but he had sold that before I could buy - which was my first choice before trying the ppc hell.
[16:30] <trakinas> holstein: I have to be idle now. thanks for the conversation! =]
[16:30] <holstein> there is a place here that sells them before they are tested.. you get them cheap, with no hard drives
[16:30] <holstein> trakinas: /join the #lubuntu-offtopic channel for more chatting :)
[16:32] <holstein>   /join #ubuntu-powerpc as well..
[17:01] <vunerlox> Is there any benefit of using lubuntu over ubuntu? justwondering
[17:02] <ianorlin> performance
[17:02] <ianorlin> and you could like the defualt look better of lubuntu
[17:04] <ianorlin> comp runs quieter from less processor
[17:05] <genii> Less bloat.
[17:08] <vunerlox> so is the only thing that people dont like lubuntu is because of looks?
[17:09] <vunerlox> maybe its more basic lookiing?
[17:09] <vunerlox> personally I love the basic look with all disabled visual effects
[17:11] <vunerlox> I am looking for a linux distro that is very fast on the internet, I do a lot of joomla development
[17:11] <vunerlox> windows 7 is slow
[17:11] <vunerlox> although when I used it the very first time it was fast
[17:12] <bonesawmcl> hi I have a question. I have a minimal install of ubuntu with a lubuntu desktop. It should display in 1080p over HDMI to my TV and does so, but I cant see the entire desktop (it is cut off at all side)... what to do?
[17:12] <ianorlin> I like the looks as well
[17:13] <ianorlin> not the cut off look
[17:13] <trakinas> vunerlox: Lubunt will probably fit your needs for PHP development. but regarded the slow down, this may happen in Linux and Windows  if you have file indexing turned on.
[17:13] <trakinas> vunerlox: specially when using a VCS.
[17:14] <vunerlox> whats vcs
[17:14] <trakinas> version control system = mercurial, git, bazar, svn, etc.
[17:15] <trakinas> vunerlox: but Lubuntu will be a really good workstation for PHP dev.
[17:15] <bonesawmcl> ok nvm... was a setting in the tv...
[17:15] <trakinas> anyway, I gtg. later.
[17:15] <vunerlox> cool
[17:15] <vunerlox> and is it fast on the internet?
[17:48] <pink___> hello!
[17:49] <pink___> I'm looking for support, I'm linux and lubuntu newbiee, is someone here? :)
[17:50] <pink___> none?
[17:50] <pink___> :\
[17:52] <Unit193> You haven't asked a question yet...
[17:52] <Unit193> !ask
[17:52] <pink___> sorry :)
[17:54] <pink___> here the problem: I download and installed lubuntu into an usb drive. I installed teamviewer 8 also. It works just fine but: I need to star the program, not the daemon, at start up.
[17:54] <pink___> at startup if I try to connect the system hangs with "initializing display parameters"
[17:54] <pink___> but
[17:54] <pink___> if I star teamviewer8 from menu:internet:teamviewer... the connection works just fine...
[17:55] <pink___> I'm looking to start teamviewer at startup, the "startup applications" in lubuntu does not have the ADD button
[17:58] <Unit193> pink___: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Boot_Install_Login#How_I_can_autostart_a_program_when_logging_into_Desktop
[17:59] <pink___> thank you unit, 'll go to read :)
[18:01] <Unit193> pink___: Sure, and you know of VNC too?
[18:01] <Unit193> !vnc
[18:12] <pink___> I was used to remote desktop and vnc but in this case my lubuntu pc will have a 3g internet key connection. 1 pubblic ip, serveral user behind a nat. Cant open any port, there is no router
[18:13] <holstein> teamviewer is where i would look then, but i have not had any luck with vnc type connections over 3g..
[18:16] <holstein> should be able to add whatever you need to startup though
[18:20] <pink___> first try, not working
[18:20] <pink___> following the link I tried the GUI to move the shortcut to autostart
[18:21] <pink___> but no autostart of the program
[18:22] <holstein> pink___: i would try autostarting a simple app.. a text editor for example.. you are troubleshooting many things right now
[18:24] <pink___> I just have to copy the program from /usr/share/applications to ~/.config/autostart
[18:24] <pink___> ?
[18:24] <pink___> or I have to try the complex way?
[18:24] <holstein> pink___: i would start simple with a simple app, then move on
[18:24] <pink___> ok, I agree, I'm asking if I have to copy the simple app :)
[18:25] <holstein> pink___: again, i would start simple,, if you think that is simple, and try something else
[18:25] <holstein> pink___: what i do is just search "autostart LXDE" and follow what i find that works
[18:51] <pink___> just to note, I managed to get teamviewer starts at startup (thank you guy!)... but, still not working properply. Need someone that close the app and reopen, otherwise the connection hangs hangs with "initializing display parameters"  any suggestion?
[18:55] <holstein> pink___: putting a delay on the startup?
[18:56] <pink___> seems a good idea, do you bite me if i ask you how?
[18:57] <holstein> pink___: nah.. i would just have to search for it.. i dont know right off
[18:58] <holstein> pink___: with openbox, i used the autostart file.. is that how you did it?
[18:58] <ianorlin> is there something like leafpad with tabs?
[18:58] <ianorlin> that is lightweight?
[18:59] <Unit193> ianorlin: I'd go with mousepad, new version is pretty darn nice.
[19:01] <holstein> pink___: what i did looks a lot like this http://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/201009/page10.html ..the "sleep 10" or whatever i needed
[19:03] <pink___> mmmmm
[19:03] <pink___> thank you holstein
[19:03] <pink___> I think I can do it (let's give a try)
[19:04] <holstein> pink___: it might help.. i had to fiddle around a bit with a few apps, like dropbox.. though, this might not actually help you
[19:12] <ianorlin> I mean tabs in lxterm is nice because then you can have the manual in one tab and still do things
[19:16] <trakinas> ianorlin: maybe Scintilla will fit your  needs. have a look at it.
[19:17] <holstein> gedit has tabs
[19:17] <holstein> !info gedit
[19:18] <holstein> if your system is of the specs that gedit is too heavy for it, i argue you shouldnt be using a GUI at all.. and using nano or something in the commandline
[19:20] <ianorlin> any dependicies?
[19:20] <trakinas> ianorlin: scintilla or gedit?
[19:20] <ianorlin> both
[19:21] <trakinas> ianorlin: scintilla/scite have some little to none. you probably already have all of them.
[19:21] <trakinas> gedit will probably need some gnome dependencies you dont have
[19:21] <trakinas> (if you have a bare lubuntu install)
[19:21] <trakinas> http://www.scintilla.org/SciTE.html  -- check here for scintilla/scite
[19:24] <trakinas> http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/scite
[19:50] <pink___> holstein... is there a chance that I broke the distro? I edited the bash scrip as your link (adding a line... sudo teamviewer --daemon restart ) and nowthe distro doesnt boot
[19:50] <holstein> pink___: anything is possible.. just undo the changes, and try and boot
[19:51] <pink___> how can I undo the changes if the distro doest boot?
[19:51] <holstein> pink___: i would use a live CD.. the install live disk should work fine
[19:52] <pink___> to look inside the usb and change the files?
[19:52] <pink___> mmm
[19:52] <pink___> I can do this
[19:52] <holstein> pink___: to open and edit whatever file you changed.. and revert to default, and reboot and test
[19:53] <holstein> pink___: you can handle it :)
[20:05] <pink___> mmmmm
[20:06] <pink___> there is a lil chance I made it... (and when I write "I made it" I mean we...)
[20:21] <ianorlin> scintilla works nice and is what I was looking for and is nice
[20:37] <trakinas> ianorlin: cool! actually, the text editor is called SciTE. Scintilla is the component that handles the text and so forth. my bad that I called it scintilla at the begin. =P
[20:38] <trakinas> that is, you could create ianorlinEditor and use scintilla as its backend.
[20:38] <ianorlin> yep
[20:39] <ianorlin> works well
[20:58] <trakinas> ianorlin: =]
[21:14] <terminal-user> Okay, I've got a question for everyone:  For whatever reason, I am not able to log into Lubuntu using any desktop manager.  I've managed to gain access to my files after pressing CTRL+ALT+F2 and logging in via the terminal.  When I try logging in normally, I get kicked back to the login screen after seeing a brief message about something called "Plymouth."
[21:16] <terminal-user> I'm considering just backing up my files manually and reinstalling Lubuntu, but I'd be afraid of the same thing happening again.
[21:16] <zleap> it seems plymouth is some sort of theme http://askubuntu.com/questions/2007/how-do-i-change-the-plymouth-bootscreen
[21:17] <terminal-user> Aha... well, whatever it is, it's preventing me from logging in and starting any desktop manager.  I've tried starting both Gnome and Lightdm, both returning the same error about Plymouth.  I really should have written it down-- I can't seem to remember the exact error.
[21:19] <zleap> can you remove plymouth
[21:19] <terminal-user> Haha, I suppose that might be something to try.  Once I back up my files, I'll have nothing to lose anyhow.  xD
[21:20] <zleap> yeah back up first,  clean re-install is rather drastic
[21:20] <zleap> most things should be fixable
[21:20] <pink___> mmmm guys, I have another question, may I?
[21:20] <terminal-user> Indeed, it is... but at the same time, it may be less time-consuming than continuing to try to find the solution to this problem.
[21:20] <terminal-user> Go ahead, pink___.
[21:21] <pink___> this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/880084
[21:21] <pink___> broadband enable unchecked at reboot
[21:21] <pink___> how can I solve it? it's really really frustranting
[21:22] <pink___> I have the last lubuntu
[21:25] <zleap> pink___, 13.04
[21:25] <zleap> or 12.10
[21:27] <pink___> 13.04
[21:27] <pink___> (i think)
[21:27] <pink___> (yes 13.04)
[21:29] <pink___> I tried a delay     Exec=sh -c "sleep 10; nm-applet" & but does nothing
[21:29] <pink___> still unchecked ad every reboot
[21:33] <pink___> any idea?
[21:42] <phillw> pink___: It's been a long time since I've booted with my 3G device plugged in. As my system does want to boot of USB devices before the Hard Drive, I tend to only plug it in after boot. But, if I get chance I'll see how it behaves.
[21:48] <phillw> pink___: so I get this correct... you have the 3G device happily running and then reboot, at which time it no longer will work? Or is it that it does not auto-reconnect?
[21:51] <pink___> boy I have to be honest
[21:52] <pink___> this lubuntu is a pain :\ a whole afternoon to configure teamviewer and a automatic broadband connection, and first it does not have "automatic start up" and the there is the bug for automatic broadband connection
[21:52] <pink___> c'on
[21:52] <pink___> I give up and take windows :\
[21:53] <pink___> thank you all
[22:23] <phillw> holstein: and I thought it was going quite well.... Ah well, you win some... you lose some :)
[22:37] <Kimera> howdy
[22:43] <holstein> phillw: lol
[22:52] <trakinas> phillw: i think it is funny when people blame the distro for a bug/glitch on another software.
[22:53] <phillw> trakinas: it happens...
[22:55] <trakinas> and I still people try to offend us when they say "i give up! i will be back to windows!".
[22:55] <trakinas> like the other day, on mint's channel. someone said smth close to "there is no decent app for linux! im going back to windows".
[22:56] <trakinas> well, at least they are trying.
[22:56] <wxl> you guys are lucky Unit193 isn't around or he'd kick you all over to -offtopic
[22:57] <Unit193> I am around.
[22:57] <wxl> ohhh fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuudge
[22:59] <phillw> wxl: he is always around...
[23:01] <phillw> trakinas: we've made our point on the publicly logged area, -offtopic is the best place to head now for further discussions :)
[23:03] <trakinas> phillw: all right!  =]