=== pgraner-afk is now known as pgraner [04:24] Good morning [06:19] Good Morning pitti [06:20] hey DanChapman [06:27] Hello pitti DanChapman [06:33] Hello Noskcaj [06:34] hey smartboyhw [06:48] good morning [08:27] balloons, elfy is working on a "Xfce" testsuite, can you make that visible once you get back? :) [12:45] xnox, hey :-) should i propose the test for merge at lp:ubiquity? [12:48] DanChapman: yeah, https://code.launchpad.net/~dpniel/ubiquity/autopilot looks ok. [12:48] xnox, ok cool. Will do that then :-) [12:50] DanChapman: have you submitted CA? it's an online form linked from here http://www.canonical.com/contributors [12:50] DanChapman: here is direct link http://www.canonical.com/contributors [12:51] xnox, no I haven't I will sort that now. Would not have known if you hadn't mentioned it. :-P [12:53] DanChapman: cool, thanks a lot =) much appreciated. === _salem is now known as salem_ [13:10] xnox, anyone in particular I should ask to review it? [13:11] DanChapman: just default, ubuntu-installer team is fine. [13:11] cheers === smartboyhw_ is now known as smartboyhw [15:38] smartboyhw: sadly, your specifications expired, can you please re-create them on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Hardware and I'll transfer them over (I managed to catch everyone else's) [15:41] balloons: can you fill in the make and model of your computer at the above wiki page :) [15:41] phillw, what the [15:42] Even I didn't notice that they expire! [15:42] Where they are copied to will not expire, it's the same I use to hold copies of the milestone release ISO's :) [15:48] phillw, em, the connection timed out [15:49] DanChapman, ping [15:50] balloons, pong [15:51] phillw, no, still connection timed out [15:55] DanChapman, so I saw the scrollback on ubiquity :-) [15:56] good stuff.. did you plan on trying your hand at a core app now? [15:57] phillw, done [15:58] balloons, yeah its a pretty rock solid test as well and will work a treat once setup and tear down is implemented properly :-) [15:59] Yeah I was gonna do the fixes on evince and screenshot first. Been digging around looking at autopkgtests today. See how they work and all that.... [15:59] but yeah gonna have a go at a core app... any in need more than others? [16:00] DanChapman, well, picking something you like it always good. However, there are a few without tests. Let's see [16:01] ta :) [16:01] DanChapman, might be good to start with calculator, calendar, clock or weather as they are the big 4 for your first pass [16:01] smartboyhw: e-mail it me and I'll manually do it! [16:02] from there, file manager, docviewer, rss reader and the new ones sudoku, dropping letters and stock ticker all have 0 tests [16:03] phillw, http://paste.kde.org/787562/ [16:04] balloons, ok sounds good. will go check out calculator first then :-) [16:23] phillw, so can I leave you to brainstorm on something? [16:23] balloons, got my messages on the testsuite? [16:23] I'd like to make it a bit easier to find and utilize our session logs from: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/Classroom [16:24] knome, hello. I saw the message, what needs to be turned on? Elfy should have access to do that for xubuntu [16:24] balloons, shouldn't i have that too? [16:24] balloons, tell me where i enable a testuite :) [16:24] i'm not home now though so i can't log in [16:25] so phillw any thoughts on modifying the wiki to make the sessions more prominent would be great [16:25] I'll let you have a think on it phillw :-) [16:25] knome, ohh, heh, well you assign testcases to products [16:25] balloons, what's the product on packages. ? [16:25] if you have the right access you should see the list of xubuntu products [16:26] and you can edit them, etc.. if you don't, there is no products tab [16:26] so if you don't see a products tab, you don't have the proper access.. [16:26] i'm not sure. i'll get back to you later on that when i'm home [16:26] and yeah, gimme [16:26] i'm on ubuntu-testcase-admins and xubuntu-release... [16:27] actually [16:27] i've seen some of that on iso. [16:27] but we're talking about packages. now :) [16:27] maybe i just didn't look carefully enough [16:27] ohh.. packages is the sameish [16:28] maybe it's not carrying over there [16:28] yes it should exist on iso.. on packages you right you probably don't have it [16:28] :) [16:28] gimme! [16:28] :P [16:28] we might be able to solve that.. regardless tell me what to turn on, it's simple enough [16:28] hehe [16:28] balloons: I'm just heading for home.... BTW.... I HATE WINDOWS!!!!!!! I'll have a look after food ! [16:28] the testsuite called "Xfce" [16:29] ok, add it to? [16:29] or do you need a product also? :-) [16:29] i think we also need a product [16:29] k, call it xubuntu or xfce? [16:30] what do you think? [16:30] should we gather all xubuntu-related testsuites under one product? [16:30] once the product is added to be honest, you should be set actually as you can edit the testsuite without worry [16:30] knome, it's up to you and team.. We've done it both ways in ubuntu :-) [16:30] atm everything is seperated out, we'll see how it works this cycle [16:31] elfy? [16:31] my worry is: [16:31] if we do the xubuntu product [16:32] we will be able to link all tests to it yes, [16:32] but they won't be marked ready unless somebody marks a test done for them under xubuntu [16:32] does that make sense? [16:33] or the "xubuntu" product isn't ready, if a test for, say, firefox isn't ran under xubuntu [16:33] even if it's ran outside xubuntu [16:33] for ISO's that makes sense, because the installation tests are actually different for xubuntu, lubuntu etc. [16:34] but with packages, it would be fine to mark the firefox tests done for xubuntu if anybody ran the firefox tests anywhere [16:34] right.. if you make it all inclusive, well, you shut yourself off from the rest [16:34] exactly [16:34] but I would probably group all the xfce stuff together as one product [16:34] panel, settings, etc, etc [16:34] yes, definitely - that's why we did that :) [16:35] for instance all the unity stuff is in one spot [16:35] (if you look at the testsuite, you can see that being done) [16:35] i also updated the branch [16:35] but if you make a leafpad test, probably just make it a seperate product :-) [16:35] mousepad that is ;) [16:35] that's why we created the xfce testsuite now... [16:35] because that was the easy one [16:36] anyway, i got to go now [16:36] bbl [16:36] (p.s. ask elfy) [16:37] kk :-0 [16:38] k knome elfy I made a xfce product and made you owners :-) see if that fixes things [16:39] just got back - will read all of that when dinner is eaten and tea is drunk ... [17:11] hello ballons [17:11] balloons* [17:11] hello qwebirc33354 ;-) [17:12] hello juggle [17:12] just saw your page at the Orange Notebook [17:12] how can I get involved? [17:13] hello balloons [17:13] qwebirc33354, there's several options :-) Right at the moment the biggest focuses for us as a team are to work on our automated tests, especially for the ubuntu core apps, and to help test the new stuff landing in saucy [17:13] how are you [17:13] juggle, good, you? [17:13] fine thank you [17:14] qwebirc33354, so first things first, let's get you signed up to the team and the mailing list, then I can help you get started on what your interested in [17:14] last night, installed saucy and a little min latter i will try to install virtualbox it [17:14] I've been tinkering with Ubuntu since 7.04, installed and troubleshooted on every config possible all the way up to 13.04 [17:14] qwebirc33354, The quality team has a wiki page here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam. This is our mailing list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality. Sign up and say hello :-) [17:15] ok [17:15] qwebirc33354, with that said, what might you be most interested in? contributing test results, or creating test cases? [17:16] perhaps both :-) [17:16] if you've been around ubuntu that long, I think you should give the automated test writing a try [17:16] it's really cool stuff [17:16] juggle, nice.. so are you running saucy on real hardware now? [17:17] no i will run saucy on virtualbox [17:17] is it ok for testing ? [17:17] that does sound interesting [17:17] juggle, ahh, gotcha.. [17:17] juggle, yes of course it's "ok" :-) [17:17] balloons: really - I've been using since 7.04 and I'm scared of autopilot :) [17:18] elfy, you have to admit it's cool.. whether or not you want to try writing a test :-) [17:18] qwebirc33354, wonderful. So let me send you a few links.. [17:18] oh yea :) [17:19] sure. I just signed up for the mailing list [17:24] sorry, small interruption here :- [17:24] qwebirc33354, so here's some documentation and a tutorial for qml apps and autopilot [17:24] http://unity.ubuntu.com/autopilot/ [17:24] http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/tutorials/quality/how-to-write-autopilot-tests/ [17:25] We're writing tests for the core apps [17:25] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Testing [17:25] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Testing/ContributeAutopilotTestcase [17:25] last time, when i try to install saucy on virtualbox took long time but now it seams very fast [17:25] so you can see the apps in question and the bug list :) [17:25] juggle, anything different? just a new iso or? [17:26] it is a new iso [17:26] i downloaded that iso last night [17:27] balloons: so a bit mystified here - once more the way that testcases /suites/products are related to each other and how they relate to making specific tests show up for people to test against [17:27] s/once more/ with [17:28] qwebirc33354, I trust that's not too much information overload. There's about a dozen apps that the community is developing for ubuntu touch. They all need more autopilot tests. You can learn about how to write autopilot stuff in the links I sent, and asking questions of course. In addition, I plan to host a couple intro sessions this week and next to get people up to speed ;-) [17:29] elfy, lol.. no worries [17:29] this is quite a bit of info to get my head around [17:29] you need a product.. it can be anything. an image, a package, etc [17:29] but terribly exciting nonetheless [17:30] qwebirc33354, :-) So start with the tutorial on developer.ubuntu.com and work through that [17:30] your intro sessions gonna be on youtube? [17:30] the rest will come as you learn ;-) [17:30] http://www.youtube.com/qualitybecomesyou is my channel. And yes, look for more autopilot stuff to hit there :-0 [17:31] balloons: so to get something onto http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/270/builds it has to be a product? [17:31] I know visual help alot [17:31] elfy, once you have a product, you can assign a testsuite to it [17:31] a testsuite as you already know, contains testcases [17:31] yep [17:33] is this the path to working with Canonical? [17:34] qwebirc33354, working with canonical? do you mean to say be employed by canonical? [17:34] yeah? [17:35] many folks working @ canonical started out in the community.. ubuntu is a meritocracy, so one way to garner influence is to do good work within the community :-) [17:35] balloons: I can see we have a product - that is 'empty' atm - and we have a few testsuites which can be added to the product, I can follow that - what's confusing me is how to actually allow people to test against things [17:35] ohh! [17:36] you need a milestone and a build [17:36] aah right [17:36] I've written quite a few test cases, unit tests, for Ensemble Cache before, but this autopilot is damn exciting [17:36] that's pretty encouraging [17:36] qwebirc33354, if you look you can see some of the tests in action, like say the ubiquity installer DanChapman wrote.. it's linked on my channel [17:37] I'm subscribed. going thru the vids now [17:37] doing good work always let's you have more influence and voice in the project.. [17:37] balloons: I assume knome knows about that then - that'll be why I'm not seeing any logic at the moment :) [17:38] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wazf8_khrY&list=PLG55xW3Q-4JaxdkPnfj1ghzuwFS4-0FrZ&index=1 [17:40] elfy, I can add a build for you if you wish [17:46] balloons: not necessary atm [17:47] so i installed saucy on virtualbox. what must be the first test case of me [17:49] juggle, have a look at what's on tap for cadence testing :-) [17:49] http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/ [17:54] balloons: one more for the moment then I'll leave you in peace ... who can add builds? [17:54] elfy, lol, it's hard for me to know that you can't [17:54] I can add them [17:54] in theory you can add them as well for your products [17:55] if you can't then I'll just have to do it.. which isn't a huge deal persay [17:55] lol [17:55] the packages tracker was unique because you had no products [17:55] I'm just trying to see some sort of logic in how this is all set up :) [17:55] I added xfce and assigned it to xubuntu [17:55] that should let you have full control over it [17:57] I can see those things - I can see that I can control them [17:57] I'm obviously not asking the right question here :) [17:57] bbl [17:58] if you wrote something, sorry i did not see them [17:58] juggle, ahh :-) [17:58] i disconnected [17:58] basically everything that's on tap for cadence week 2 testing is what you can test [17:58] is there a log page ? [17:58] there is [17:58] v [17:58] ok, if you share i will read [17:58] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ [17:59] i'll repeat it :-0 [17:59] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Cadence/Saucy/Week2 [17:59] that page should detail everything ;-) [17:59] qwebirc33354, how's it coming? [18:00] i've created a Launchpad account, and kicking myself for all that wasted Karma ! [18:01] qwebirc33354: I shouldn't worry too much about karma - it's all skewed :) [18:02] i bet it is, unless proselytizing ubuntu door to door counts in some cosmic calculation [18:02] but I'm getting there [18:02] ha ha ha [18:02] qwebirc33354, :-) [18:03] i have Quantal installed on an old Thinkpad R52, and Raring on my mother-in-law's computer, so I ought to get back to speed [18:03] btw [18:04] my ID is drsaurabhsikka, and I should really get off this hackintosh and login legally on to IRC via ubuntu [18:04] see yu in a bit [18:04] qwebirc33354, cu in a few :-0 [18:05] saucy in virtualbox responding little bit late [18:05] did you get like that comments ? [18:06] juggle, yes you can run saucy in a VM and do the cadence testing [18:06] I'm not sure xMir will work out too well, but otherwise everything should be testable :-) [18:06] It's even covered in the tutorial if your not sure how [18:08] yeah, i will try with your help [18:15] drsaurabhsikka, welcome back :-) [18:15] thanks balloons [18:16] I'm getting all my keys on launchpad, meanwhile [18:16] yes, that is fun [18:16] if you need help with setup, ping [18:22] thanks [18:24] balloons: Is this what you had in mind? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Header/phillw [18:25] If so, I can go tidy it up so it scales correctly. [18:26] phillw, that's a start.. but new folks might not know what classroom sessions are. I'm hoping to try and push people there if they have questions or need a tutorial/walkthrough that isn't covered persay [18:27] Maybe something off the activities page, linking to the session that corresponds to the activity? [18:27] Call it 'Tutorials'? [18:27] okies, I'll go play on the Activity Page and see what I can do... [18:30] thx phillw :-) [18:50] does the SSH key also include my local machine login info? [18:56] drsaurabhsikka, what do you mean by that [18:56] it will have a user@host attached to it [18:58] got it [18:59] installing bzr [18:59] got all my keys, etc [19:03] drsaurabhsikka, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ContributingTestcases/Launchpad [19:03] balloons: unable to get bzr to recognize my launchpad ID [19:03] see the page I linked [19:03] if it doesn't help, we'll troubleshoot [19:04] got it [19:09] I've joined the QA Team [19:11] drsaurabhsikka, excellent.. I've finalized the details of the workshops now as well.. hopefully something in here meets your needs [19:11] drsaurabhsikka, http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2013/07/automated-testing-workshops.html [19:17] balloons, Hi :) [19:18] Letozaf_, hello [19:18] balloons, I think I encountered a bug: http://ubuntuone.com/6sRBg9lX7ILSsX5nh0sZmd yesterday rssfeed autopilot tests worked today I get this :( [19:19] Letozaf_, that link isn't showing me anything :-( [19:19] however I have some news.. and your right, I think the autopilot tests found a regression :-) [19:19] balloons, sorry let me put it somewhere else [19:19] ahh. I see the image now [19:20] sorry, ff was being silly [19:20] balloons, oh fine! [19:20] balloons, do you think it's the regression's fault ? [19:20] yes, the code changed and broke something [19:20] the test did it's job [19:21] Letozaf_, http://91.189.93.70:8080/job/ubuntu-rssreader-app-ci/ [19:21] balloons, fine so the test is ok then [19:22] the tests are in jenkins now :-) [19:22] balloons, cool :-D [19:22] I realize that's not a nice display, but heh, it's being run [19:22] balloons, I was implementing other tests in rssfeed, but I guess I will have to wait for the bug to be fixed to try it out :) [19:23] balloons, doesn't matter, I mean the display, I understood it all the same :) [19:25] balloons, so this : https://code.launchpad.net/~carla-sella/ubuntu-rssreader-app/add_feed_test_fixed_dir_name/+merge/172200 [19:25] balloons, the missing file was fixed ? [19:25] balloons, must I ask fginther ? [19:26] Letozaf_, we can try and track the reason done in just a moment :-) [19:26] let me finish up here [19:26] you could try pinging the developers in #ubuntut-touch or looking at if something new in the code landed [19:27] check the commit log [19:27] I'll be just a few ins [19:27] *mins [19:27] connected with your G+ hang [19:30] Letozaf_, is there something I can help with? [19:30] fginther, oh yes thanks, the ubuntu-rssreader-app autopilot test [19:30] fginther, https://code.launchpad.net/~carla-sella/ubuntu-rssreader-app/add_feed_test_fixed_dir_name/+merge/172200 [19:31] fginther, seems that I pushed the branch without the ubuntusdk file even if I got it on my laptop [19:31] Letozaf_, jenkins is now running the autopilot tests on each merge proposal [19:32] fginther, but here I see that in jenkins it's ok http://91.189.93.70:8080/job/ubuntu-rssreader-app-ci/ [19:34] Letozaf_, the results from your MP are here: http://91.189.93.70:8080/job/ubuntu-rssreader-app-autolanding/5/ [19:34] fginther, :( oh! fine [19:34] Letozaf_, there is a bug in the jenkins tools in that the results of the generic-mediumtests which run the autopilot tests didn't get reported to your merge proposal [19:34] I'll try to get that fixed. [19:35] fginther, ok, thanks, just a question, mean time I have added some more tests to rssfedd-app autopilot test, so maybe when I have finisched them I will just propose a new merge paying attengion the ubuntusdk file si there [19:36] Letozaf_, if you can update your launchpad branch with the missing file, the tests will be automatically re-executed. [19:36] Letozaf_, that plan is also fine. [19:36] fginther, ok then I will finish the autopilot test and then re-submit a merge proposal [19:36] fginther, thanks :) [19:37] Letozaf_, Great! my apologies for any testing issues, this has been a little difficult to get right. [19:37] fginther, no problem, I have fun so thats ok [19:40] balloons... [19:44] drsaurabhsikka, yes? [19:44] i'm done with the preliminary work [19:45] connected with your G+ hangout [19:45] now what [19:45] downloading saucy? [19:45] ohh.. gotcha, the flood of stuff blocked your comment :-) [19:45] sorry drsaurabhsikka ! [19:45] :) [19:45] yes, saucy is the best to use for QA work [19:46] so download saucy and install it in a VM or on a real machine [19:46] oddly enough, saucy was my nickname in college (short for SAUrabh SIkka) [19:46] interesting :) [19:46] do i need to have raring installed on my hardware ? [19:46] raring isn't required for anything [19:46] testdrive and whatnot? [19:46] so if your willing to upgrade and join the world of testing, upgrade to saucy :-) [19:47] you thinking you want to make a vm of saucy or install it on a real machine? [19:47] etheir one works [19:47] ok... I'm gonna try it tomorrow, it's 1 am here now, and the ISO is downloading [19:48] good night! I'll be around tomorrow as well.. and if you can attend a workshop [19:48] and then what? [19:48] after the install is done? [19:48] install autopilot [19:48] ok [19:48] follow the tutorial [19:48] let me link you again [19:49] http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/tutorials/quality/how-to-write-autopilot-tests/ [19:49] please do [19:49] that's the best one to start with. [19:50] from there, there's more links to official docs, etc.. [19:50] i'll read it through in the morn [19:50] once your ready, there's a walkthrough for working with the core apps themselves: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Testing/ContributeAutopilotTestcase [19:50] but don't rush through it :-) [19:50] the hangout's 24 hours from now? [19:51] the first is tomorrow at 1800 UTC [19:51] so like less than 24 hrs [19:51] 22 [19:51] ish [19:51] ok [19:51] yep :-) [19:51] this is fun [19:52] will catch up then [19:52] ciao for now, and thanks for all the fish [19:52] cheers drsaurabhsikka ! [20:35] balloons: and this is the *last* time I want to have to deal with vanishing hardware profiles ever again! 2nd time lubuntu-PPC team have lost theirs :( [20:35] :-( [20:36] takes approx 5 mins from a standing start for me to transfer one over, faster if there is more than one (I have to 1st ssh onto my dedi-server :) ) [20:38] balloons: the link in the article "Automated Testing Workshops" to the qa-events page on g+ is wrong. the correct link is https://plus.google.com/108452779163647535106/posts [20:38] toddy, yikes, thank you! [20:39] wait, doesn't https://plus.google.com/b/108452779163647535106/events work for you? [20:39] ahh I see.. weird [20:39] no, it doesn't work for me [20:40] +1 it asks me to create a new event :) [20:40] I have to link to each one manually [20:40] yea, let me fix it [20:40] bah! [20:41] balloons: you need a 'media' secretary.... I think you know who I have in mind :P [20:41] that'll be me saying goodbye ... [20:41] ok, try the page and links now :-) [20:42] LOLOLOLOL [20:42] :) [20:44] toddy, phillw links all look good? it doesn't let me link you directly to the events page [20:44] apparently only I can see that.. but I trust the event page for each one works [20:44] balloons: https://plus.google.com/b/108452779163647535106/events still shows me 'create an event'.... [20:44] grr [20:44] yes me too [20:44] third time is the charm [20:44] has to be [20:45] elfy: don't worry, I wasn't volunteering you :D [20:45] I wasn't thinking so ... [20:45] ok, I tried in private mode on firefox [20:46] all the links work for me now [20:46] perhaps for you too? [20:46] for example, https://plus.google.com/b/108452779163647535106/events/cersg5v0qr98nla369ddkug6968 [20:47] toddy, phillw .. perhaps elfy ^^ [20:47] I'm sure it works for elfy he has a golden touch [20:47] balloons: redirect on https://plus.google.com/events/cersg5v0qr98nla369ddkug6968 - Automated Testing Workshop [20:47] balloons: https://plus.google.com/events/cersg5v0qr98nla369ddkug6968 is where that ends up at, and it does work [20:47] there's an echo!!!! [20:48] lol, ok, redirect is fine with me.. glad it's working :-) [20:48] :) [20:48] thanks for pointing it out toddy [20:48] balloons: I can see something - whether it's what I'm supposed to see I know not - I know I'd not deliberately go there given the title :p [20:48] elfy, hehe.. I won't ask you to go any further my friend [20:49] ty [20:49] that was quite brave [20:49] :) [20:49] * balloons hands elfy a cookie [20:49] was a bit close to voodoo - scary :( [20:49] *seeing* a G+ link is too much for me. [20:49] knome: I went there ... earnt cookie :D [20:49] * phillw goes and finds out what happened to my google hangout stuff... [20:49] * knome taps elfy on the head [20:49] ouch [20:50] not that harshly... [20:50] I'm only little [20:51] I have enough just keeping up with failbook :D [20:51] i'm not on facebook either [21:00] hey everyone :) [21:03]