[00:05] <chamunks> wait it only connects to GSM?
[00:08] <RAOF> chamunks: The install's easy.
[00:08] <RAOF> wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[00:10] <chamunks> RAOF, thanks :)
[00:16] <esigolo_> quit
[00:40] <iBelieve> I just upgraded to GNOME 3.8, and now Popovers don't display their contents in any of the Ubuntu Touch apps - could this have been caused by any recent updates to Ubuntu Touch? I think the error behind that is file:///usr/share/themes/Ambiance/qmltheme/PopoverForegroundDelegate.qml:48:20: Unable to assign QQuickShaderEffectSource to QQuickImage
[00:57] <mhall119> iBelieve: you probably upgraded some Qt packages too, I wonder if they changed something in the components or theming api
[01:02] <iBelieve> mhall119, I just removed GNOME 3.8, I'll reboot and see if it worked.
[01:08] <iBelieve> mhall119, removing GNOME 3.8 didn't work. In Software Center's history, ubuntu-ui-toolkit-theme (but not just toolkit) shows as updated, maybe that is the cause?
[01:08] <iBelieve> mhall119, Should I report this as a bug somewhere?
[01:21] <mhall119> iBelieve: yes, please report it here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+filebug
[04:12] <Vikram> Hi Guys
[05:52] <xenos1984> hi folks, i have a linux program (Navit) which runs fine on ubuntu desktop and uses (among other alternatives) Qt4 for graphics output. i have seen that ubuntu touch already comes with Qt5, so if i'd port my program to using Qt5 instead of Qt4, i guess that would give me graphics output on ubuntu touch? i also comes with a qml UI
[06:13] <RAOF> xenos1984: I believe that is the case, yes.
[06:14] <xenos1984> RAOF: sounds good, so i will just try this
[06:15] <xenos1984> another thing: i read on the release notes wiki page that there is no working sound on the nexus 7 yet - is that still up to date? i'm using the latest saucy image and so far only tried to get some sound output from espeak, but with no success...
[06:45] <dholbach> good morning
[07:02] <zeokila> Hi, anyone there?
[07:10] <zeokila> How can I add accounts to the friends app through the terminal?
[07:41] <zeokila> Anyone here to answer a small question?
[07:45] <popey> !ask | zeokila
[07:49] <zeokila> Ok, sorry, it's just I've installed the dev preview with the phablet-flash command, and it boots up fine and all, but I'm not sure I've actually got the latest version? I'm not able to call, send SMSs or do anything with telephony or GSM and some applications that I've seen people be able to run are just blank for me, like the calculator
[07:53] <zeokila> !patience
[07:53] <zeokila> !ask
[08:14] <popey> zeokila: which device?
[08:27] <SquirrelCZECH> hi folks!
[08:28] <SquirrelCZECH> just wanted to ask something (I suppose you answered it many times)
[08:28] <SquirrelCZECH> will most of the apps from standart linux os, work on ubuntu-touch? (I suppose yes as long a I compile it for arm...)
[08:32] <popey> SquirrelCZECH: such as?
[08:34] <SquirrelCZECH> openscad, (terminal is must I suppose0, freecad, playonlinux? :-)
[08:34] <SquirrelCZECH> the last one is too naive I suppose
[08:34] <popey> well we don't ship x on the phone
[08:35] <popey> and most traditional linux apps aren't optimised for touch interfaces
[08:35] <SquirrelCZECH> yes, I know about the X thingy
[08:36] <SquirrelCZECH> my point is that I found tablets these days really powerfull
[08:36] <SquirrelCZECH> and in worst case I can use my small "home server"
[08:36] <SquirrelCZECH> so switching from laptop to tablet could be real with Ubuntu OS :-)
[08:36] <SquirrelCZECH> (iPad and Android useless by my opinion)
[08:45] <Oranger> Hey, Jenkin is still dead ?
[08:45] <JamesTai1> Good morning all, happy UFO Day! :-D
[08:51] <Oranger> JamesTait: Ahah it's not the morning for everyone ;)
[08:52] <JamesTait> Oranger, http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#fst ;)
[08:53] <Oranger> JamesTait: Oh, I didn't know that, thanks ;)
[08:53] <JamesTait> Oranger, but technically, yes, you're dead right.
[08:54] <Oranger> JamesTait: I find this rule easier for everybody, so.. you are right ;)
[11:00] <AskUbuntu> MP4 Player Not Detected in Ubuntu 12.04 | http://askubuntu.com/q/315369
[11:23] <Saviq> hey, does anyone find unity8 hogging CPU on their devices?
[11:25] <ogra_> Saviq, duting usage or idle ?
[11:25] <Saviq> ogra_, idle
[11:26] <ogra_> i see it bubbling up in htop but it never has above 2% CPU usage while idling
[11:26] <ogra_> thats on grouper, yesterdays flipped image
[11:26] <seb128> ogra_, is flipped working fine on grouper now?
[11:27] <seb128> I should perhaps try the brave new world :p
[11:27] <ogra_> seb128, yeah, we default to it since last night
[11:27] <ogra_> afaik there are still issues on nx10 ... but gnex, n7 and n4 shouldnt be worse than unflipped now
[11:44] <KalleWhoever> Hey guys
[11:45] <KalleWhoever> I am currently working on a Port of Ubuntu Touch for my Sony Xperia P (nypon)
[11:45] <popey> KalleWhoever: cool
[11:46] <KalleWhoever> but I surfaceflinger and ubuntuappmanager keep on crashing with segmentation faults
[11:46] <ogra_> are you sure you have all binary drivers included ?
[11:47] <KalleWhoever> The CM-10.1 Tree for this devices is in a very early stage so it is likely that the drivers aren't set up properly
[11:48] <KalleWhoever> I used the proprietary files from a jellybean branch
[11:49] <KalleWhoever> so I am pretty sure i have the blobs
[11:50] <ogra_> does surfaceflinger work in a plain CM image ?
[11:50] <KalleWhoever> It's a bit buggy, but yes
[11:51] <ogra_> hmm, then it should in the ubuntu build as well
[11:51] <KalleWhoever> :D
[11:51] <ogra_> so try to find the missing piece :)
[11:52] <KalleWhoever> hmm I excluded wpa_supplicant
[11:52] <KalleWhoever> Is there a way this could be related?
[11:52] <ogra_> that might kill your wifi, but wont have any effect on SF or the appmanager
[11:53] <cdesai> KalleWhoever: using old blobs is never a good idea
[11:53] <cdesai> especially between two major versions
[11:53] <KalleWhoever> @cdesai There are't any newer blobs available :(
[11:53] <ogra_> right, i would use the blobs that you know to work with CM
[11:54] <cdesai> ogra_: it isn't supported in 10.1 officially
[11:54] <ogra_> if they work in a CM build they should be fine for ubuntu use too
[11:54] <ogra_> cdesai, sure, but if a homebrewed CM build works with these blobs i would expect them to be fine
[11:54] <cdesai> ogra_: yep.
[11:55] <ogra_> so i would blame configuration or missing porting bits ...
[11:55] <ogra_> i would go step by step through the porting guide again and verify each step as a first thing
[11:59] <KalleWhoever> ok I will try
[12:00] <KalleWhoever> maybe I will do a CM build to veryfiy that everythings working
[12:00] <KalleWhoever> I don't know if the latest version on github is equal to the latest working version
[12:07] <KalleWhoever> hmm custom CM-10.1 source tree still uses old cm.dependencies
[12:08] <KalleWhoever> so the new repos are replaced with the old ones everytime I run breakfast nypon
[12:43] <ChickenCutlass> rsalveti: ricmm sergiusens jhodapp ogra_ Can we do our meeting an hour later today?
[12:43] <zeokila> Guys do you have to install anything special to get telephony and/or SMS going. I can't find any settings, have not been asked a sim code or anything, and google has not managed to help me. Nexus 4
[12:44] <ogra_> ChickenCutlass, sure, np
[12:44] <ChickenCutlass> great
[12:44] <jhodapp> ChickenCutlass, yeah
[12:46] <popey> zeokila: nope, works out of the box for me
[12:47] <zeokila> does it ask you a sim code on boot?
[12:48] <zeokila> does phablet-flash get the latest build by itself?
[12:51] <sergiusens> zeokila: it should
[12:52] <zeokila> weird, a lot of things seem broken for me. in the system settings the version is 0.3, does that seem right?
[12:53] <popey> zeokila: no, no sim code
[12:56] <zeokila> actually, i think i've found the problem, phablet-flash apparently didn't download the latest saucy-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip it seems, thanks for your answers anyway
[13:06] <KalleWhoever> phew, two more hours and I will know the Porting Guide by heart
[13:07] <leonkacherikar> anyone knows if the headphone glitch has been fixed.. Music plays through the speaker
[13:07] <rsalveti> ChickenCutlass: I'm fine for one hour later
[13:08] <popey> anyone else get bug 1196955
[13:08] <ChickenCutlass> rsalveti: excellent
[13:13] <leonkacherikar> any idea on the current status of the build in terms of usability with the lastest builds
[13:13] <didrocks> rsalveti: hey, is the flipped image container by default switch done? can I merge my qtubuntu branch?
[13:13] <didrocks> (thand refreshing the seed)
[13:13] <didrocks> and*
[13:13] <rsalveti> didrocks: not yet, we'll send an email when done
[13:13] <rsalveti> should hopefully be done today
[13:14] <didrocks> rsalveti: ok :) Saviq, let's wait for that email then before moving on ^^
[13:14] <Saviq> didrocks, k
[13:23] <mterry> Mirv, hello!  I have a patch for qtsystems that I'd like you to look at and possibly include, when you push to saucy
[13:23] <mterry> Should be upstreamable, I'll look into doing that too
[13:23] <KalleWhoever> Is there a good way to calculate the settings like GRID_UNIT_PX?
[13:38] <pmcgowan> KalleWhoever, see the description on the porting page for screen pixel ratio https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[13:38] <pmcgowan> not an exact science
[13:43] <sergiusens> ogra_: rsalveti lool so I'll apply the patch and then we can look at getting a proper Android.mk to build gpg, I can own that if you want
[13:43] <lool> sergiusens: Souns good
[13:43] <rsalveti> +1
[13:44] <lool> it's cool if we do a custom build of gpg as to trim it down; it includes many features by default
[13:44] <lool> I wonder if the security team knows about the sources used to build the android bits
[13:44] <lool> maybe they ought to track them somehow
[13:45] <lool> sergiusens: I think I'll write to the security team to mention that stuff going into the recovery ROM initrd is built from phablet.ubuntu.com and that they want to watch software in there for security update
[13:45] <lool> sergiusens: I'll mention that the binaries are just temporary though
[13:45] <lool> (thinking of this because of gpg which we'll use to validate our updates)
[13:49] <ttoine> hello
[13:50] <ttoine> I am testing ubuntu touch on my galaxy nexus
[13:50] <ttoine> no network at all
[13:50] <ttoine> how  can I activate wifi and 3g ?
[13:50] <ttoine> by the way, I can't call
[13:50] <ttoine> any idea ?
[13:51] <esigolo> ttoine: 3G https://plus.google.com/100264483712374857174/posts/3o1tjYo9Ghx
[13:52] <lool> ttoine: pull down from top right corner to configure wifi networks
[13:53] <ttoine> lool, networks: empty
[13:53] <ttoine> like the wifi is not activated
[13:54] <KalleWhoever> Hey, my new build finished and I am stuck with the same problem
[13:54] <ttoine> esigolo, ok, I won't do that. to complicated. I was thinking the phone was able to it now like any other phone OS
[13:54] <esigolo> on terminal run nmcli dev
[13:54] <KalleWhoever> surfaceflinger does not start because the file hwcomposer is not found
[13:55] <esigolo> ttoine: ubuntu touch is on development state
[13:55] <ttoine> I know that
[13:55] <KalleWhoever> but the file is in its place
[13:55] <esigolo> ttoine: i think asas it will be avaliable by UI
[13:55] <ttoine> esigolo, but as I saw on twitter people telling they can phone and go on Internet with 3g, I though it was possible
[13:56] <esigolo> ttoine: it is
[13:56] <popey> ttoine: it certainly is possible
[13:56] <ttoine> yes
[13:56] <ttoine> but out of theb ox
[13:56] <popey> ttoine: sometimes features break as we move forward
[13:56] <ttoine> so at the moment, I have a galaxy nexus without any network connection...
[13:57] <ttoine> the first time I tried, wifi worked well, and I enjoyed using the phone. now, it is quite useless
[13:57] <ttoine> no I need to get it back to android... and I hope that the wifi will available again
[13:57] <popey> ttoine: did you flash it today?
[13:58] <ttoine> popey, 10 min ago
[13:58] <popey> did you use phablet-flash?
[13:58] <ttoine> but I did a trial in may, and it was nicer
[13:58] <ttoine> popey, yes
[13:58] <ttoine> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[13:59] <ttoine> I followed the howto
[13:59] <popey> so if you have a cable, you can connect to it using "adb shell" and then we can diagnose the issue
[13:59] <ttoine> like anytime I am trying. this is the first time I have no network at all
[13:59] <ttoine> popey, yes, if you want
[13:59] <popey> as I said, it breaks sometimes
[14:00] <ttoine> I am on adb shell, my intention was to test contact sync
[14:00] <popey> i guess you're on the android side..
[14:00] <popey> you can get to ubuntu via "uu
[14:00] <popey> ..
[14:00] <popey> you can get to ubuntu via "ubuntu_chroot shell"
[14:02] <ttoine> popey, ok
[14:03] <ttoine> popey, done
[14:03] <esigolo> what nmcli dev returns ?
[14:03] <ttoine> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# nmcli dev
[14:03] <ttoine> DEVICE     TYPE              STATE
[14:04] <ttoine>  /ril_0     gsm               disconnected
[14:04] <ttoine> I don't see the wifi
[14:04] <ogra_> you need to mount /proc if you use ubuntu_chroot
[14:05] <KalleWhoever> Hey, I rebuild everything and got a more specific logcat
[14:05] <KalleWhoever> surfaceflinger still fails with seg fault
[14:06] <KalleWhoever> but logcat says hwcomposer has gone missing
[14:06] <popey> ttoine: might be worth switching to the flipped image..
[14:06] <popey> ogra_: do you think?
[14:06] <ttoine> popey ? what do you mean ?
[14:07] <popey> ttoine: we're switching to android-inside-ubuntu rather than ubuntu-inside-android
[14:07] <popey> you can test that image with "phablet-flash -d <devicetype> --flipped"
[14:07] <KalleWhoever> The file is proprietary and perfectly in place but somehow it is not found
[14:07] <popey> where devicetype is the codename mako, grouper etc
[14:08] <ttoine> so, my phone is a maguro, right ?
[14:08] <ttoine> by the way, I am surprised that I can't do a simple apt-get update...
[14:09] <popey> ttoine: if it's a galaxy nexus, yes
[14:10] <popey> ttoine: You can apt-get update/upgrade, I do it frequently
[14:10] <ttoine> so, phablet-flash -d maguro --flipped
[14:10] <popey> but this is a major change
[14:10] <popey> which requires more fundamental changes than apt can cope with
[14:10] <ttoine> popey, I forget: I doesn"t work, for I have no network...
[14:11] <popey> that wont help
[14:11] <popey> ☻
[14:12] <zippert> Hello installd ubuntu on my phone, but do not haave wifi so i cant upgrade, 3G wont work, is there some soution ?
[14:13] <zippert> can i upgrade with USB cable?
[14:13] <esigolo> zippert: https://plus.google.com/100264483712374857174/posts/3o1tjYo9Ghx
[14:14] <ttoine> zippert, you too, you don't have wifi ?
[14:15] <zippert> ttoine normaly i use my phone thether for conection
[14:15] <ttoine> popey, I launched phablet-flash -d maguro --flipped
[14:15] <ttoine> It is downloading again
[14:16] <ttoine> what should I expect ? it will flash my phone again
[14:16] <ttoine> N
[14:16] <ttoine> ?
[14:16] <popey> yes
[14:16] <ttoine> ok
[14:16] <popey> with a new and more interesting image ☻
[14:16] <ttoine> so I wait and let you know if it fixes the problem ?
[14:16] <popey> that'd be great.
[14:16]  * popey gets coffee
[14:16] <ttoine> what if I still have no wifi at all ??
[14:17] <esigolo> zippert: let me know if it works please
[14:17] <pmcgowan> popey, flipped is a bit broken this morning on maguro
[14:17] <pmcgowan> I am told
[14:17] <zippert> the command "phablet-flash -d maguro --flipped" is in progress =)
[14:18] <esigolo> :)
[14:19] <zippert> pmcgowan, what do  bit broken men?
[14:19] <zippert> pmcgowan, not starting at al?
[14:20] <popey> pmcgowan: hmm. unflipped is also a bit broken. is there a previous image which is better?
[14:20] <pmcgowan> popey, the startup races are being debugged, camera and video may not work
[14:20] <popey> ttoine: is it still downloading? if so, maybe kill it. if it's pushing to the phone you can kill it too.
[14:20] <lool> rsalveti: BTW I've copied the couple of changes to the adbd upstart job in the Debian git repo, but it's not worth an upload just for these; if you get a change to test, I could sync and then upload just these to Ubuntu
[14:20] <pmcgowan> popey, I am running the flipped from yesterday
[14:20] <lool> or I can upload all at once
[14:20] <popey> pmcgowan: thanks
[14:21] <pmcgowan> popey, 20130701.2 is working on mako for me, not sure maguro
[14:21] <KalleWhoever> Surfaceflinger keeps on crashing says hwcomposer was not found
[14:21] <rsalveti> lool: sure, just want to finish the flip work first
[14:21] <KalleWhoever> any help how to debug this?
[14:24] <zippert> 11 min then i know if the maguro flip version is working
[14:24] <popey> zippert: see above
[14:24] <ttoine> popey, still no wifi nor 3g
[14:25] <ttoine> I hope that wifi is not broken on the phone, even if I come back to android...
[14:25] <zippert> popey: =(
[14:25] <popey> ttoine: unlikely
[14:26] <popey> ttoine: we keep a couple of previous images on the site you can roll back to, to test
[14:26] <popey> ttoine: there's a "manual install" section on that wiki page
[14:27] <ttoine> popey, unfortunately, I can't take too much time for that at the moment.
[14:27] <ttoine> maybe it would be great that Jono Bacon don't speak too much of phoning with ubuntu touch: it is not at all easy to set up at the moment ;-)
[14:28] <popey> ttoine: as I said, it generally works and breaks sometimes. it's under development.
[14:29] <ttoine> popey, of course
[14:29] <popey> It's all good fun ☻
[14:29] <ttoine> I hope my android will get wifi again
[14:29] <ttoine> popey, perhaps for you
[14:29] <ttoine> but this time, it was not fun for me ;-)
 maby i have to do the waiting game until its a bit more stable
[14:30] <popey> zippert: or just come in here and ask before flashing?
 =)  yah thats are som e good advice
 Is there some rom that are working and where can i get it?
[14:32] <popey> zippert: i don't have the galaxy nexus, so I would have to defer you to someone who does. perhaps ogra_
 ok thanks
 are you here?
[14:33] <ttoine> popey, ok.. wifi is now broken too on android...
[14:34] <sergiusens> ttoine: I use it as my main phone on maguro and it works fine for my purposes
[14:34] <ttoine> sergiusens, I can't phone... and no wifi neither
 what rom do you use?
[14:35] <ttoine> sergiusens, and since I get back to android, no wifi anymore
[14:35] <esigolo> ttoine: i think you have a router problem
[14:36] <sergiusens> I use latest flipped, but I also know how to workaround the issues, and rollback when something gets broken
[14:36] <sergiusens> if you want something a bit more stable
[14:36] <sergiusens> phablet-flash --list-revisions
[14:37] <sergiusens> phablet-flash -r [revision]
[14:37] <sergiusens> or phablet-flash --latest-revision
[14:37] <sergiusens> those have some more testing going on
[14:38] <ttoine> esigolo, no, I just can't activate the wifi on the system
[14:38] <ttoine> It stays on "activating wifi" and nothing happend
[14:38] <esigolo> what did you do to return to android?
  and the 3G is okey in the last version?
[14:38] <ttoine> esigolo, just followed the howto
[14:38] <ttoine> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Restoring_Android
[14:38] <esigolo> flash_all?
[14:39] <ttoine> esigolo, yes
[14:39] <ttoine> with yakju-jdq39
[14:39] <esigolo> ttoine: so. you have a fresh new installation !
[14:40] <ttoine> esigolo, yes
[14:40] <ttoine> but impossible to activate the wifi...
[14:40] <ttoine> I think I will have to lock it again
[14:40] <KalleWhoever> Could someone please have a look at this? http://pastebin.com/ppABUTv4
[14:40] <ttoine> and then, have to find some samsung services
[14:41] <esigolo> ttoine: wich android version?
[14:41] <ttoine> latest
[14:42] <ttoine> esigolo, 4.2.2
[14:42] <esigolo> 4.2.2 (JDQ39) ?
[14:42] <esigolo> ok
[14:42] <ns5> Does anyone know how to simulate screen rotation?  I'm trying to create an app for ubuntu touch with qt/qml on Ubuntu desktop
[14:42] <mhall119> ns5: resize the window to be in landscape
[14:43] <ns5> mhall119: yes that's my goal, but what operation can trigger the window resizing?
[14:44] <ns5> Is there a screen rotation signal that can be catched by the app?
[14:45] <esigolo> ttoine: i just can't see how ubuntu touch could be responsible for your problem
[14:49] <jdstrand> bzoltan: hi!
[14:50] <sergiusens> KalleWhoever: what device? This is most likely the problem E/SurfaceFlinger( 3698): hwcomposer module not found
[14:50] <bzoltan> jdstrand:  yo man
[14:50] <bzoltan> jdstrand:  i am on parental leave this week
[14:50] <jdstrand> bzoltan: ah, congrats! :)
[14:50] <jdstrand> bzoltan: I have two quick questions-- who shall I direct them to?
[14:51] <bzoltan> jdstrand:  thanks ... feels like release week... no sleep and lots of buzz
[14:51] <bzoltan>  jdstrand:  depends on question... shoot them
[14:51] <jdstrand> bzoltan: it's been a while, but I remember :) it'll get better
[14:51] <ttoine> esigolo, me too...
[14:52] <jdstrand> bzoltan: 1) we've defined the security section of the manifest file. and I wanted to know the best place to present that info (eg, particular mailing list, etc)
[14:52] <jdstrand> bzoltan: 2) I'd like to file some bugs regarding application paths used by sdk applications. what package should I file them against. should I tag them specially?
[14:53] <bzoltan> jdstrand: ubuntu-devel would be good imho
[14:53] <bzoltan>  jdstrand:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qtcreator-plugins/+filebug
[14:53] <jdstrand> bzoltan: re ubuntu-devel, should I CC you/florian?
[14:54] <bzoltan> jdstrand:  both of us an jppiironen too please
[14:54] <jdstrand> bzoltan: awesome, thanks! now enjoy your family and get some sleep :)
[14:54] <bzoltan> jdstrand: np and thanks :)
[14:54] <esigolo> ttoine: on galaxy nexus is possible to remove the battery?
[14:58] <imzey> hi guys,
[14:59] <imzey> i'm new to ubuntu phone. is it possible to install ubuntu phone on htc one and wipe android?
[15:00] <popey> imzey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices lists devices with community maintained ports
[15:02] <KalleWhoever> sergiusens its for the Xperia P
[15:02] <imzey> popey, so htc one is not available yet. I can see "htc one X" but not "htc one" m7
[15:02] <sergiusens> KalleWhoever: from the looks of it you are missing the graphic driver blobs
[15:03] <KalleWhoever> The blobs are in place
[15:05] <ttoine> esigolo, yes, but it doesn"t change anything
[15:05] <mhall119> ns5: are you interested in the device's actual orientation change, or just the change from portrait to landscape sizes?
[15:05] <KalleWhoever> I checked every file in  /device/sony/nypon/proprietary-files.txt
[15:05] <KalleWhoever> they are all where they belong
[15:09] <ns5> mhall119: I want the app to know the current orientation, and to know when there's orientation change so it can automatically change screen size
[15:09] <KalleWhoever> How can I debug my issue better?
[15:11] <zaneswafford> Are there any design guideline docs for desktop apps? I've seen the design docs for Ubuntu Touch but wondered if there was something similar for desktop apps.
[15:15] <mhall119> ns5: if what you want is to respond to screen changes, you don't need to worry about orientation
[15:15] <mhall119> ns5: see http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/ubuntu-layouts.html for how to make your app adapt properly
[15:16] <ns5> mhall119: all the app needs to know is screen size?
[15:16] <zaneswafford> I was actually wondering about navigational elements. I know there are the new QML tabs and page stack metaphors but did not know if there was an example of usage in a desktop app
[15:17] <zaneswafford> The tabs make sense on touch but does their behaviour change on desktop (IE show all tabs by default rather than hiding all but one)
[15:18] <zaneswafford> if not, is there the option to make the app show all tabs by default?
[15:18] <mhall119> ns5: technically you can use whatever conditions you want to change layouts, but screen size is going to be the most common, yes
[15:35] <ns5> mhall119: how to simulate screen size change in an qt/qml app running on ubuntu desktop?  And how does the app detect screensize change?
[15:53] <gestahlt> Hi!
[15:53] <gestahlt> I was wondering how ubuntu mobile is like. I like to use my smartphone as a bit of a desktop replacement. I managed to get it running on top of Android. The bottleneck is the VNC Display
[15:54] <gestahlt> So i was wondering if there will still be a Android Ubuntu Mobile app or only "Bare Metal" on selected phones
[15:54] <gestahlt> I love it very much to have both
[15:54] <gestahlt> (Android and Ubuntu)
[15:55] <gestahlt> Is there a source code to download ? Or maybe even an APK?
[15:55] <gestahlt> Hm i really should read the topic
[15:56] <gestahlt> Ah okay i see, its baremetal
[15:56] <gestahlt> Nonetheless, it would be awesome to have it in LXC or OpenVZ containers or something alike (Fit to run on top)
[16:05] <Elhebert> Hey ! Does anyone know if the beta of Ubuntu OS can be run on a Wiko Cink Peax ?
[16:08] <nerochiaro> om26er: when you have some time can you please have a look at why this MR makes the tests fail ? https://code.launchpad.net/~fboucault/notes-app/new_theming/+merge/171885
[16:09] <om26er> nerochiaro, sure
[16:09] <ttoine> question: if I lock again my phone after reflashing to Android, can samsung see that it has been flashed to Ubuntu ?
[16:10] <Elhebert> Hey ! Does anyone know if the beta of Ubuntu OS can be run on a Wiko Cink Peax ?
[16:11] <Mirv> mterry: hi, if you could, please file a bug against ubuntu-ui-toolkit (qtsystems not yet there) with the patch attached, and I'll check it in the morning
[16:16] <popey> gestahlt: you're talking of Ubuntu for Android? We don't have any software available for download of that.
[16:16] <popey> gestahlt: we have Ubuntu Touch preview, which is ubuntu on the device, not android.
[16:25] <gestahlt> Popey: Yes, i saw that. So there will be no "app" to have ubuntu on top of android?
[16:34] <popey> gestahlt: We haven't announced any plans for that yet.
[16:38] <mhall119> ns5: you just need to resize the window to simulate a screen size change
[16:38] <mhall119> the Layouts code in the Ubuntu SDK will handle detecting the change and applying a layout given the conditions you provided
[16:41] <mhall119> ogra_: rsalveti: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ has "ubuntu-touch" and "ubuntu-touch-preview" directories, what's the difference?
[16:41] <rsalveti> mhall119: flipped x unflipped
[16:41] <mhall119> which is which?
[16:42] <ogra_> -preview is the old one
[16:42] <rsalveti> mhall119: in order :-)
[16:42] <mhall119> rsalveti: ogra_: thanks :)
[16:42] <ns5> mhall119: Actually in my code the size of the elements are calulated from screen size.  I don't want to hardcode any screen size in the code.  When launching the app, how to tell it that the current screen size is, say, 960*540 (portrait)?  And how to simulate a screen rotation so that the app can detect screen size change?
[16:42] <rsalveti> yeah, the -preview is what we now call 'legacy'
[16:46] <mhall119> ns5: you can use the .width and .height properties of your top-level QML component (such as MainView)
[16:46] <mhall119> that will give you the screen sizes on a device, and the window sizes on the desktop
[16:47] <mhall119> using the Layouts API from the Ubuntu SDK, you can give an alternate layout if mainview.width > mainview.height (aka, landscape), and it will take care of detecting the change and applying the different layout
[16:48] <nik90> Kaleo: I am happy to see your simple themeing branch merged. Does this mean we can implement gradient backgrounds?
[16:48] <ns5> mhall119: and what will the size of the MainView be?  Fill my entire desktop?
[16:50] <mhall119> ns5: on desktop it will use the default width and height values you apply to the MainView
[16:50] <mhall119> on the device, it will use the full screen size
[16:50] <esigolo> sorry
[16:50] <mhall119> but resizing the window on the desktop is the the same as changing the orientation on a phone/tablet as far as the app is concerned
[16:51] <Kaleo> nik90: not yet but it is a step towards that
[16:51] <Kaleo> nik90: the important 2nd step will be https://code.launchpad.net/~fboucault/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/color_palette
[16:51] <Kaleo> nik90: that's for this week
[16:51] <Kaleo> nik90: next week the final step will happen with an API for you to set the background color of the app
[16:54] <nik90> Kaleo: perfect
[16:54] <nik90> thnx
[16:54] <Kaleo> nik90: which app are you on?
[16:56] <nik90> Kaleo: clock app
[16:56] <timp> anyone knows where the .deb packages end up when I "build application on device" from qtcreator?
[16:56] <Kaleo> nik90: cool
[16:56] <Kaleo> nik90: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5837817/
[16:56] <timp> I think they used to go somewhere in /home/phablet, but I cannot find it now :s maybe something changed with the flipped image?
[16:56] <Kaleo> nik90: that's very good
[16:56] <Kaleo> nik90: you are not harcoding any color
[16:57] <Kaleo> nik90: except for the needed background colors
[16:57] <Kaleo> nik90: oh I see you have a Constants dict
[16:57] <nik90> Kaleo: yes but I guess i dont need the constant dict anymore with UbuntuColors
[16:58] <Kaleo> nik90: sort of
[16:58] <nik90> Kaleo: I decided to wait for the theme support rather than hardcode background colors etc which will be removed
[16:58] <Kaleo> nik90: it's not recommended to use UbuntuColors if you can help it
[16:58] <Kaleo> nik90: once landed, it will be recommended to use Theme.palette
[16:58] <Kaleo> nik90: you will get the colors from the current theme that way
[16:58] <nik90> Kaleo: ah ok
[16:59] <Kaleo> nik90: so the app can look beautiful regardless of the theme
[16:59] <Kaleo> nik90: I will send an email this week
[16:59] <nik90> Kaleo: will wait for that
[17:00] <mhall119> timp: ~/dev_tmp/ ?
[17:00] <mhall119> that's where qtcreator puts them when you just on on device anywya
[17:03] <cdavis> Does touch completely replace the software on a phone? Or is it just a ui on top of android?
[17:04] <cjwatson> It'll completely replace it.  There are a few bits of Android that are included for hardware support.
[17:04] <cdavis> whew, back to being excited
[17:04] <cdavis> thanks
[17:04] <cjwatson> But (in the model due to land soon) they run in their own separate container.  (In the current model Ubuntu is in a container.)
[17:05] <timp> mhall119: yes that's what I was expecting. Maybe the build failed and I don't have the debs. rebuilding now.
[17:06] <ogra_> cjwatson, do you happen to have an idea about:
[17:06] <ogra_> adduser: `/usr/bin/chfn -f LXC dnsmasq lxc-dnsmasq' returned error code 1. Exiting
[17:06] <ogra_> the gecos data is actually supposed to be "LXC dnsmasq"
[17:06] <ogra_> and lxc.postinst (wheer that error comes from) properly quotes it in double quotes
[17:07] <ogra_> is that adduser not respecing the quotes ? or could it be that double quotes are to weak
[17:08] <ogra_> (the respective build log is https://launchpadlibrarian.net/144007988/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-armhf.ubuntu-touch-generic-initrd_0.7_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz)
[17:08] <cjwatson> The quotes are processed by the shell, not by adduser
[17:08] <AskUbuntu> My Ubuntu Touch seems to be broken no matter how many different files I try | http://askubuntu.com/q/315516
[17:09] <cjwatson> It doesn't seem to be a quoting problem, except in that the error message doesn't reconstruct the quotes (so that's misleading, ignore it)
[17:09] <ogra_> ok
[17:10] <cjwatson> Does   chfn -f "LXC dnsmasq" lxc-dnsmasq   work when run by hand?
[17:10] <ogra_> hmm, then the only thing i could imagine is that fakechroot is broken
[17:10] <cjwatson> Oh, well, if a build of ubuntu-touch-generic-initrd reproduces it then I can try it locally (as could you, I guess)
[17:11] <ogra_> yeah, already running here ... just waiting til it finished
[17:11] <ogra_> so i have the chroot around
[17:12] <ogra_> do dont mount any virtual filesystems during the build into the chroot (since i wanted to avoid having any buildd HW info available) ...
[17:12] <ogra_> but i fail to see how that would affect adduser
[17:13] <cjwatson> Probably best to strace it if chfn isn't being more verbose about why it failed
[17:13] <ogra_> yeah
[17:14] <ogra_> i dont get the error in a local build btw
[17:14] <cjwatson> PAM_SYSTEM_ERR could be various things
[17:14] <ogra_> oh, wait
[17:14] <ogra_> thats an older package ... tricked by -proposed :P
[17:15] <ogra_> woah ... lxc installs 21M of deps
[17:17] <ogra_> well, so manually installing lxc doesnt expose the error
[17:17]  * ogra_ sighs and starts over with the right package version
[17:18] <cjwatson> I'll feed it to sbuild here, but EOD
[17:18] <ogra_> doesnt help much if i cant reproduce it
[17:18] <ogra_> yeah, enjoy
[17:21] <ns5> mhall119: got it, thanks.  But here is the problem, how to avoid hardcoding MainView size?
[17:23] <ns5> currently I can only run the app on Ubuntu desktop
[17:28] <iBelieve> Can I write an Ubuntu Touch application that is licensed under the GPLv2 or the GPLv2 or later?
[17:30] <zeokila> Hey guys is anyone able to help me with this? http://askubuntu.com/questions/315516/my-ubuntu-touch-seems-to-be-broken-no-matter-how-many-different-files-i-try
[17:32] <sergiusens> zeokila: that isn't really a question
[17:32] <sergiusens> zeokila: the device overview is definetely a bug that can be logged
[17:32] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu touch on htc desire | http://askubuntu.com/q/315523
[17:32] <zeokila> where do I log bugs?
[17:33] <zeokila> launchpad?
[17:34] <sergiusens> zeokila: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Contribute#How_to_report_bugs
[17:34] <zeokila> thanks
[17:39] <ogra_> slangasek, do you know about any issues with pam_rootok.so and fakechroot ?
[17:43] <mhall119> iBelieve: yes, you can use any license you want
[17:45] <slangasek> ogra_: nothing that I've heard of
[17:45] <ogra_> hmm
[17:46] <ogra_> google agrees with you :)
[17:46] <ogra_> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/144014670/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-armhf.ubuntu-touch-generic-initrd_0.7_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[17:46] <ogra_> seems chfn is failing all over the place
[17:47] <ogra_> and that "PAM: System error" looks suspicious
[17:49] <ogra_> the fun stuff is that it doesnt happen in a local build
[17:50] <cjwatson> I see the same thing in a local sbuild run
[17:50] <ogra_> the same error ?
[17:50] <ogra_> or the same "doesnt happen" :)
[17:50] <iBelieve> mhall119, okay, thank you.
[17:51] <cjwatson> Completely fresh out of the box phablet-flash --flipped, fresh sbuild install
[17:51] <cjwatson> same error
[17:51] <ogra_> ah
[17:51] <cjwatson> I hope you're not trying to build outside sbuild, because it seems likely that the build environment matters at least somewhat
[17:51] <ogra_> well, indeed i did not use sbuild :)
[17:52] <ogra_> dpkg-buildpackage -b ...
[17:52] <cjwatson> Use sbuild when trying to reproduce failures
[17:52] <ogra_> yeah apparently tthat matters
[17:53] <cjwatson> I can have a look in a few hours if you haven't sorted it out by then
[17:53] <ogra_> ok, well, all i need is the diversions from lxc-android-config inside the rootfs ... worst case i can hack them into the build script
[17:54] <ogra_> that lxc gets installled is kind of a transitional thing
[17:54] <ogra_> nothing is using it ... its just a dep
[17:55] <cjwatson> Seems better to fix the bug if possible though
[17:55] <cjwatson> Like I say, happy to have a look a bit later :)
[17:55]  * cjwatson -> dinner
[17:55] <ogra_> well, i dont want to delay the switch to flipped by default to much
[17:56] <ogra_> i might hack the diversions in as a quick fix and remove them after the bug was fixed
[18:47] <rsalveti> ogra_: guess doing a temporary hack might help indeed
[18:48] <ogra_> rsalveti, heh, done long ago :)
[18:48] <rsalveti> we're waiting this to land and the newer upstart, right?
[18:48] <rsalveti> ogra_: awesome
[18:48] <ogra_> (like right after i said the above)
[18:48] <rsalveti> great, just got back from lunch
[18:48] <ogra_> yeah, just that and upstart and we should be good
[18:48] <pmcgowan> could it be ;)
[18:50] <rsalveti> the new shell built fine as well, so guess we just need upstart to land now
[18:52] <rsalveti> sergiusens: anything missing, in theory, from the phablet-flash mr?
[18:52] <rsalveti> guess not, will test all the use cases
[18:52] <sergiusens> rsalveti: only your gripe with --list-revisions
[18:53] <iBelieve> I submitted a merge request for File Managaer a week ago, but it still hasn't been reviewed. Should I do anything to get it reviewed?
[18:53] <cyphermox> rsalveti: fyi, awe isn't there to benefit the added love, but I'll be ready to upload NM with ofono settings parsing, autoconnection of 3G, and ignoring the rmnet_usb devices shortly
[18:53] <cyphermox> just finishing up with my testing now
[18:53] <rsalveti> cyphermox: lovely
[18:53] <ogra_> yay
[18:54] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right
[18:54] <cyphermox> and when I say, autoconnect to 3G, I mean it
[18:54]  * ogra_ looks forward to get rid of the mrmnet hack
[18:54] <ogra_> *rmnet
[18:54] <cyphermox> it will autoconnect :)
[18:54] <ogra_> any way to prevent that ?
[18:54] <ogra_> :)
[18:54] <cyphermox> to disable you can do nmcli dev disconnect iface /ril_0
[18:54] <ogra_> ah
[18:54] <cyphermox> ogra_: well, I think if WWAN is disabled it won't
[18:54] <cyphermox> I should double-check that I haven't broken that :)
[18:55] <ogra_> well, we eventually need a way for users in the UI to disable 3G ...
[18:55] <cyphermox> so while this builds on my mako, I need to go run some errands .. back shortly
[18:55] <cyphermox> ogra_: yeah
[18:55] <ogra_> but cool progress, thats awesome
[18:55] <cyphermox> renato_: ^^  do you have the similar WwanEnabled switch as for WirelessEnabled in your UI ?
[18:56]  * ogra_ cant wait for the PIN/PUK support to land
[18:56] <ogra_> then i can finally use it as my phone :)
[18:56] <renato_> cyphermox, yes
[18:56] <cyphermox> renato_: ok
[18:56] <cyphermox> renato_: has that landed yet?
[18:56] <rsalveti> don't think so
[18:56] <rsalveti> but we can test and try to land it again
[18:57] <cyphermox> yeah, I think we should
[18:57] <renato_> cyphermox, no
[18:57] <rsalveti> as it seems now that the wlan disable/enable is working fine
[18:57] <cyphermox> so I'll be back and then I'll test this to make sure everything's good
[18:57] <rsalveti> renato_: have the mr link in hands?
[18:57] <rsalveti> yeah, would be good if cyphermox could review it
[18:57] <renato_> rsalveti, yes give me a minute
[18:57] <cyphermox> rsalveti: I reviewed it before already, it looked fine
[18:57] <cyphermox> I'll just re-test to make sure
[18:58] <rsalveti> sergiusens: I'm fine if we update the message suggesting the user to check the output with --legacy as well
[18:58] <renato_> rsalveti, cyphermox https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/indicator-server/device-switch/+merge/166300
[18:58] <rsalveti> sergiusens: just want to avoid having people asking us what happened with the older revisions
[18:58] <rsalveti> cyphermox: awesome
[18:58] <rsalveti> renato_: thanks
[18:59] <rsalveti> ogra_: why do you use pin/puk at all?
[18:59] <rsalveti> hahah, so weird
[18:59] <rsalveti> that's so 15 years ago here in brazil
[18:59] <sergiusens> rsalveti: ok
[18:59] <sergiusens> rsalveti: never caught on in Argentina
[18:59] <rsalveti> yeah, same here
[18:59] <sergiusens> prepaid made it a dead idea from the start
[18:59] <ogra_> rsalveti, well, if my phone gets stolen i dont want the SIm to be usable
[18:59] <rsalveti> right
[18:59] <sergiusens> blocked you sim? just buy a new one
[19:00] <rsalveti> here we usually just call the carrier to cancel the sim card
[19:00] <sergiusens> *your
[19:00] <ogra_> is there a special brazilian trick to prevent that in a different way ?
[19:00] <rsalveti> no, that can still happen, but you can call the carier right away and get it canceled
[19:00] <ogra_> sure, i can do that too ...
[19:01] <rsalveti> but I guess that's because pre-paid is quite common here
[19:01] <rsalveti> brb
[19:01] <ogra_> ah, yeah, i had the same sime for 10 years until i needed a micro for the N4
[19:01] <sergiusens> in south america peope have a need to talk to people :-P
[19:01] <rsalveti> hahah
[19:01] <ogra_> (with contract )
[19:04] <stgraber> ogra_: you know that you can remove the PIN code from your SIM right?
[19:04] <ogra_> yep
[19:04] <ogra_> i dont want to though :)
[19:05] <ogra_> it doesnt feel like real dogfooding if i adjust the world to my needs ;)
[19:06] <ogra_> (which probably sounds weird from someone who lives for his quick fixes and hacks :P )
[19:07] <popey> ogra_: i cut my original sim down ☻
[19:07] <esigolo> in fact here in Brazil the first thing the thief does is throw out the chip
[19:07] <ogra_> popey, i did the same but only after i had orrdered a new one ... so i wouldnt be without one for to long
[19:08] <ogra_> (yeah, so german, i know ... insurance complex etc ... )
[19:09] <popey> heh, wuss
[19:09] <esigolo> will be any security app or feature like samsung dive or cerberusapp to touch?
[19:12] <ali1234> orange refused to send my brother a microsim unless he switched to the super expensive iphone tarriff - he had one of those ms-nokia phones when they were the only other phone that took microsim
[19:13] <ogra_> stgraber, hmm, i was wondering what we can do about ureadahed with readonly rootfs ... it would be awesome if we could still use it but we wouldnt be able to profile ...
[19:13] <ogra_> wow, thats evil
[19:13] <ali1234> i think he got it sorted eventually
[19:13] <ogra_> i had to pay 10 euros or so for mine .. that was all
[19:14] <popey> orange refused to enable tethering on my iphone because i wasn't on an iphone tarrif
[19:14] <popey> (because I just cut the sim down from when it was in an htc hero)
[19:14] <popey> i said "look at my account and see how long I have been a customer".
[19:14] <popey> he went away and came back "that's all done for you sir"
[19:14] <popey> I have had the same cellphone number since 1995
[19:14] <ali1234> yeah i guess my brother did the same. he's been with them so long they practically pay him
[19:14] <popey> heh
[19:15] <SquirrelCZECH>  :D
[19:15] <ogra_> popey, heh, same here ... one year shorter though
[19:15]  * popey remembers the happy days of no cross-network SMS, and having to find random foreign SMS centres to bounce SMS off of, so I could text my girlfriend
[19:15] <ogra_> haha
[19:16] <popey> was good when I was in denmark and she was in mexico, free texts! ☻
[19:16] <ogra_> lol
[19:18] <stgraber> I'm currently being extremely careful not to do anything that'd cause Swisscom to change the plan on my prepaid SIM card, got a rather nice deal a few years back where I pay 80 cent an hour for phone calls and 1CHF per 10MB of data up to 50MB, then unlimited, so essentially unlimited data for 5CHF a day (my record being around 35GB on HSPA+)
[19:18] <stgraber> all the new prepaid offers come with "unlimited" for 2CHF a day where "unlimited" means full speed up to 100MB then you're stuck with 500kbps (so not exactly great when you're using it to download ISO images)
[19:21] <esigolo> man i really need to fix my computer power cables
[19:22] <esigolo> someone here is using irssi ? can tel me how to print the last lines of the log?
[19:23] <popey>  /lastlog
[19:24] <esigolo> tanks
[19:24] <esigolo> thanks*
[19:25] <rsalveti> stgraber: here in brazil when you're over the limit it goes down to 64kbps
[19:25] <rsalveti> 64, I know
[19:25] <rsalveti> horrible
[19:27] <stgraber> rsalveti: they could just prevent you from establishing a ppp session, that'd be less painful :)
[19:27] <Bandspelare> Hi
[19:28] <rsalveti> stgraber: exactly
[19:28] <jdstrand> tedg: hey, perhaps you can help me. On the touch images, if a .desktop file has "Exec=qmlscene ..." it works fine, but if it has "Exec=aa-exec -p foo qmlscene ..." it does not (aa-exec works fine from the command line, so it isn't a bug in it, but it might need to be adjusted)
[19:29] <jdstrand> tedg: I'd like to file a bug on aa-exec not working in the .desktop file. what package should I file it against?
[19:31] <esigolo> rsalveti: i saw the video you posted ! look nice
[19:32] <satyendra> does anyone has the .vdi image for ubuntu on Virtualbox
[19:32] <satyendra> .vdi for utbuntu touch....
[19:32] <esigolo> .vdi?
[19:34] <Bandspelare> What docking stations can i buy for my nexus 4, 7 and 10?
[19:37] <satyendra> .vdi is the Virtual Disk Image for the VirtualBox by Oracle
[19:37] <tedg> jdstrand, Uhm, I guess glib as they're probably using gio exec.
[19:37] <tedg> jdstrand, But, honestly, there's a lot of change going on right now.
[19:38] <jdstrand> tedg: that seems related to that issue you had with upstart-app-launch
[19:38] <tedg> jdstrand, I dont' think they've switched over to using upstart-app-launch yet.
[19:38] <esigolo> satyendra: as far i now is not possible to virtualize touch yet
[19:38] <tedg> jdstrand, Though I haven't grabbed the latest image to verify that.
[19:38] <jdstrand> tedg: no, I don't think so-- this isn't about application lifecycle. this is just about people having ways to do things now. I might be able to modify aa-exec to work
[19:39] <satyendra> Some people are able to use it in Qemu for virtualize
[19:39] <tedg> jdstrand, Ah, okay, I added support in upstart-app-lauch for setting the profile.
[19:39] <jdstrand> tedg: rocking:)
[19:39] <tedg> jdstrand, Basically a desktop file key: https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/upstart-app-launch/apparmor-exec/+merge/170399
[19:41] <jdstrand> tedg: ah, interesting. I thought I remembered we were going to do that differently, but I difer to mdeslaur
[19:41] <jdstrand> defer even
[19:41] <tedg> difer: When a diff is different than you expect.
[19:41] <tedg> ;-)
[19:41] <jdstrand> hehe
[19:42] <tedg> jdstrand, I think that's the "have something working" case.  For long term that's definitely not the solution.
[19:42] <jdstrand> ah, yes. ok then
[19:43] <popey> satyendra: no, we don't provide a vdi for ubuntu touch
[19:43] <mdeslaur> jdstrand, tedg: is upstart-app-launch with XCanonicalAppArmorProfile in the touch images now?
[19:44] <tedg> mdeslaur, No, the misc stack has been blocked, so that hasn't gotten released yet.  It *should* today.
[19:44] <mdeslaur> we were going to use aa-exec directly in the exec line until that made it's way
[19:44] <jdstrand> yeah, but then that weird bug blocked me
[19:45] <mdeslaur> perhaps that will solve our current aa-exec bug
[19:45] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: I had the same issue with pkexec, FWIW
[19:45] <jdstrand> it would for touch certainly
[19:45] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: something is weird about whatever launches stuff with the exec line
[19:45] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: interesting
[19:46] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: I had to launch a shell file instead
[19:46] <jdstrand> I was going to try an ELF aa-exec to see if that was it, but based on pkexec, seems that probably wouldn't help
[19:48] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: perhaps a PATH issue?
[19:48] <jdstrand> I tried it with absolute paths, moved it into /usr/bin, etc
[19:49] <mdeslaur> I never did figure it out...although I gave up after a few hours
[19:49] <jdstrand> yeah, that is the point where I am now
[19:50] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: I just randomly blame pulseaudio and move on when that sort of thing happens :P
[19:50] <jdstrand> hehe
[19:52] <SquirrelCZECH> wow
[19:52] <SquirrelCZECH> ubuntu-touch got pulseaudio?
[19:52] <SquirrelCZECH> that would be awesome
[19:52] <SquirrelCZECH> could stream sound from tablet/phone to pc :-)
[19:54] <rsalveti> esigolo: indeed
[19:55] <rsalveti> SquirrelCZECH: yup, we still have some things to sort out, but that will be our final setup
[19:58] <SquirrelCZECH> rsalveti: sounds awesome :-)
[19:58] <SquirrelCZECH> rsalveti: but, like everyone
[19:58] <SquirrelCZECH> when I will be able to buy Ubuntu Touch Phone/tablet? :-)
[19:58] <Bandspelare> Doesn't anyone have input on a docking station for nexus 4 that works as advised in the little Ubuntu clip?
[20:01]  * genii ponders http://blog.accuvantlabs.com/blog/jdryan/building-nexus-4-uart-debug-cable
[20:01] <genii> Tricky buggers, putting a serial port inside the headphone jack.
[20:01] <popey> Bandspelare: if you find a dock, let me know, I'd like one ☻
[20:11] <Bandspelare> hehe, seems like there's one for Nexus 10 comming this christmas, but i don't know what connections it will have or if it will have pogo charging
[20:12] <Bandspelare> http://nexus10accessories.com/category/nexus-10-docks/
[20:25] <Bandspelare> could you make it count with an NFC tag and this? http://www.amazon.com/Juiced-Systems-MHL-Adapter-MicroSDHC/dp/B008CQKM2U/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1372796564&sr=8-16&keywords=hdmi+nexus+4
[20:40] <TheOnlyJoey> Ohai
[20:41] <TheOnlyJoey> Any clue if the current ubuntu-touch image would work on a Lenovo Ideapad a2109 (tegra3 device)
[20:44] <esigolo> TheOnlyJoey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[20:44] <esigolo> TheOnlyJoey: you can see it there
[20:46] <TheOnlyJoey> ah just a lot of wip, but no easy fix apparantly :P
[21:06] <nik90> popey: can you check on your laptop if you can see the clock app tabs with the latest ubuntu sdk
[21:06] <nik90> in my comp, I cannot see any of the tabs anymore
[21:06]  * popey checks
[21:07] <popey> still works here
[21:07] <popey> which package versions do you want me to check nik90 ?
[21:07] <nik90> could you get the clock-app-version, ubuntu ui toolkit version?
[21:08] <popey> qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin ?
[21:09] <nik90> yes
[21:09] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~$ apt-cache policy ubuntu-clock-app qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin | grep Installed Installed: 0.4bzr119quantal0 Installed: 0.1.46+13.10.20130628bzr571raring0
[21:09] <nik90> I have got 0.1.46+13.10.20130628bzr573saucy0
[21:09] <nik90> you are missing 2 commits from trunk
[21:09]  * popey updates
[21:10]  * nik90 checks the last 2 commits of toolkit project for the reason
[21:10] <nik90> hmm. that's when florian's major theme rework landed
[21:10] <nik90> that could be it
[21:10] <popey> almost certainly
[21:11]  * popey rings the Kaleo bell
[21:11] <nik90> Kaleo: After updating the sdk to 0.1.46+13.10.20130628bzr573saucy0, I can no longer see the tabs, toolbar in the clock app
[21:12]  * nik90 is amused at the Kaleo bell :D
[21:27] <Kaleo> nik90: hmmm
[21:27] <Kaleo> nik90: any other app with the issue?
[21:27] <Kaleo> nik90: any error message on the console?
[21:30] <nik90> Kaleo: will check console now
[21:31] <nik90> Kaleo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5838625/
[21:32] <Kaleo> nik90: most intriguing
[21:33] <nik90> Kaleo: I am installing other core apps like the calendar to check if the issue exists
[21:33] <nik90> Kaleo: same issue with calendar app as well..tabs are missing.
[21:34] <nik90> mhall119: ping?
[21:35] <Kaleo> nik90: ok I suspect commit 573
[21:35] <Kaleo> nik90: I suspect that the debian packaging broke at that point
[21:35] <Kaleo> nik90: do you the following file:
[21:36] <Kaleo> nik90: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/Colors
[21:36] <Kaleo> nik90: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/Colors/UbuntuColors.qml
[21:37] <nik90> Kaleo: yup I have those files
[21:37] <Kaleo> nik90: darn
[21:37] <popey> i dont
[21:38] <popey> (not updated to 573 yet)
[21:38] <Kaleo> popey: with what package?
[21:38] <Kaleo> popey: that's why
[21:38] <Kaleo> popey: but it works for you
[21:38] <popey> k
[21:38] <popey> yes
[21:38] <Kaleo> nik90: for me 573 not via packages works
[21:38] <popey> what do you think broke?
[21:38] <Kaleo> nik90: I'm trying with the packegage
[21:38] <Kaleo> popey: packaging
[21:38] <Kaleo> popey: something not shipped
[21:38] <Kaleo> popey: or something else :)
[21:38] <popey> ☻
[21:39] <nik90> :)
[21:39] <popey> covering all bases there
[21:39] <nik90> Kaleo: does your commit also remove the greyish background which was previously there?
[21:39] <nik90> or is that a bug as well?
[21:39] <popey> which package _should_ ship /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/Colors/UbuntuColors.qml ?
[21:40] <Kaleo> nik90: greyish background?
[21:40] <Kaleo> popey: qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin
[21:40] <popey> right
[21:41] <popey> so i see /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/Colors/UbuntuColors.qml in trunk but not if I "apt-get source qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin"
[21:41] <nik90> Kaleo: previously when a page is not given any background color, it took the default theme background color which was not exactly white. However now the clock app background is pure white
[21:42] <nik90> http://ubuntuone.com/3uFCUl10Fwi2ufaBRXzI4x
[21:42] <Kaleo> nik90: that's probably a consequence of the bug
[21:42] <Kaleo> I need to run off soon unfortunately; package is building here
[21:43] <popey> nik90: can you downgrade in the interim?
[21:43] <nik90> Kaleo: no worrries. Just wanted to get this to your attention so that you are aware of it.
[21:43] <nik90> popey: I will be busy anyway for the next 2 days. So it should be fine
[21:44] <nik90> hopefully a fix is there by that time
[21:44] <Kaleo> nik90: well
[21:44] <Kaleo> nik90: it's actualy really bad
[21:44] <Kaleo> nik90: all apps broken
[21:44] <Kaleo> nik90: I will fix it today for sure
[21:44] <popey> thanks Kaleo
[21:44] <nik90> Kaleo: thnx :)
[21:45] <Kaleo> nik90: can you report the bug in lp?
[21:46] <nik90> Kaleo: sure
[21:47] <popey> nik90: ping us the bug number please
[21:49] <nik90> popey, Kaleo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1197164
[21:50] <popey> thanks
[21:53] <Kaleo> nik90: 99% sure it's 572 actually
[21:56] <nik90> Kaleo: I think so as well since UbuntuColors does exist on my system, so 573 is nothing drastic.
[22:09] <ogra_> rsalveti, hmm, i see upstart just went in ... so i guess i'll leave the announcement to you :)
[22:23] <xnox> ogra_: better wait for upstart to actually migrate into release pocket...
[22:26] <mhall119> nik90: pong
[22:27] <nik90> mhall119: hi, I was having an issue with the sdk and wanted to check if I was the only one having the issue
[22:27] <nik90> however the issue has been confirmed and is being worked on by florian.
[22:32] <mhall119> ok, cool
[22:32] <rsalveti> ogra_: yeah, will take a few still
[22:32] <rsalveti> don't worry, we still need to land sergiusens's phablet-flash mr
[22:33] <cjwatson> ogra_: this is a particularly exciting chfn/pam/audit/fakechroot/whateveritis bug, I must say
[23:00] <iBelieve>  I submitted a merge request for File Managaer a week ago, but it still hasn't been reviewed. Should I do anything to get it reviewed?
[23:16] <ogra_> cjwatson, lol, happy to be of service
[23:17] <ogra_> xnox, yeah, that was exactly what i meant ... i didnt want to stay up until 3am to get the image out
[23:21] <cjwatson> ogra_: I'm still trying to debug it, but it's certainly not obvious on the surface
[23:26] <cjwatson> Currently trying to get to the point of being able to usefully gdb it
[23:29] <cjwatson> Debian #694827 certainly isn't helping, though I'm not particularly convinced that it might be the cause
[23:30] <cjwatson> Oh, here, chfn is setuid so fakechroot has no effect on it
[23:31] <cjwatson> Maybe that's not it, though, as a mode 4755 self-compiled copy works
[23:32] <cjwatson> whisky tango foxtrot
[23:32] <stgraber> slangasek, lool, ogra_, barry: Finally! http://paste.ubuntu.com/5838899/ (Nexus4 updating to a full image, including flashing the boot partition)
[23:32] <slangasek> whee!
[23:33] <sarnold> 0 byte dd?
[23:33] <stgraber> sarnold: huge sparse file
[23:33] <sarnold> stgraber: haha :)
[23:34] <sarnold> cool :)
[23:35] <slangasek> cjwatson: hey, so I need to be cross-building parted for use in the recovery image (android binaries needed).  Do you have any opinions on how this should be structured?  I was thinking a single arch: all binary package added to the parted source, with a separate build pass
[23:36] <cjwatson> slangasek: If we can cross-build from i386 to armel/android, I guess that's the only viable course, really
[23:36] <cjwatson> Unless we do the cross-build externally
[23:37] <cjwatson> But that seems like it'd want infrastructure
[23:53] <cjwatson> The ownership of my self-compiled chfn outside the fakechroot makes a difference
[23:54] <cjwatson> fakechroot should be renamed to justaddconfusionandstir
[23:57] <wilee-nilee> lol