[08:08] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[08:10] <knightwise> hey bro
[08:10] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:11] <brobostigon> morning knightwise and MooDoo
[08:17] <BigRedS> Gooood Morning!
[08:18] <brobostigon> morning BigRedS
[08:18] <BigRedS> morning brobostigon! How's things?
[08:19] <brobostigon> BigRedS: tired and this recent heat has hurt my eczema, will be an interest drum lesson this afternoon. and you?
[08:20] <BigRedS> bit knackered. Seemed to spend my entire commute stationary
[08:20] <BigRedS> thogh I did somehow arrive, so that must be at least a bit of an illusion
[08:20] <brobostigon> :(
[08:20] <brobostigon> oh dear.
[08:20] <mungbean> maybe you were stationary and the world revolved
[08:20] <BigRedS> Haha
[08:21] <dwatkins> I usually don't move relative to my bike on the way to work.
[08:21] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: not even a little?
[08:21] <dwatkins> my legs move, but I don't move forwards or backwards in relation to the bike itself
[08:23] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: you don't even slide a little on your saddle?
[08:23] <BigRedS> well, when you stop you probably get off towards the front of it
[08:23] <MartijnVdS> (velcro saddle?)
[08:23] <brobostigon> avoids a sore bum, wiggling alittle.
[08:24] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: I try not to, over all the motion cancels out, as I'll move forwards and backwards
[08:45] <JamesTai1> Good morning all, happy UFO Day! :-D
[08:46] <MartijnVdS> JamesTai1: As we say in Dutch: "Je ziet ze vliegen!"
[08:46] <SuperMatt> UFO day?:
[08:46] <SuperMatt> how peculiar!
[08:46] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: they finally noticed you
[08:46] <SuperMatt> uh-oh
[08:46] <SuperMatt> my Kree powers were the result of an accident, I'm not really an alien!
[08:47] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: suuure
[08:47] <SuperMatt> http://tumblr.supermatt.net/post/54362668414/you-can-call-me-princess-sparklefists <- In case you're confused, I finished my Captain Marvel hoodie last night. Turns out the internet of comic fans loved it
[08:47] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, "You something something fly!"?
[08:48] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: it basically means "You're out of it"
[08:48] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: but yes, literal translation would be "You see them fly"
[08:49] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, literal translations are often more funny than the intended meanings. :)
[08:54] <hoover> Morning all
[08:54] <popey> captain who?
[09:01] <SuperMatt> Captain Marvel
[09:02] <SuperMatt> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ms._Marvel#2010s
[09:12] <JamesTait> SuperMatt, I thought popey *was* Captain Marvel! ;)
[09:14] <SuperMatt> JamesTait: nope, it's me now
[09:17] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:18] <popey> SWOOOSH!
[09:19] <bigcalm> Not a good morning?
[09:22] <DJones> Hmh, just came across this http://nvonews.com/2013/07/02/new-aakash-tablet-to-come-with-7-inch-display-ubuntu-android-jb-os-rs-3k-price/
[09:27] <DJones> Will that be the first tablet to come with Ubuntu as a manufacturer installed o/s
[09:37] <redtape|renegade> Moining .. Late start today .. did I miss anything ?
[09:41] <BigRedS> it's UFO day
[09:41] <BigRedS> that's the important thing to remember
[09:43] <mungbean> didn't firefox used to all you to bookmark all tabs?
[09:44]  * redtape|renegade realizes he doesn't even have a tea - saucer 'to fly' atall .( BigRedS ) & hasn't used one since he graduated from Sunday School and shared tea in the back room.
[09:45] <BigRedS> mungbean: I don't understand the question
[09:46] <mungbean> didn't firefox used to allow you to bookmark all open tabs?
[09:52] <mungbean> seem to have lsot my ability to ctrl-W
[09:52] <mungbean> :(
[09:52] <BigRedS> Oh! No idea
[09:53] <BigRedS> I've recently managed to  ad ^W to ^A,backspace as key combinations I try to use in firefox when really I shouldn't :/
[09:56] <redtape|renegade> mungbean: Have you tried Ctrl +F4  .. http://mzl.la/161o5Xc
[09:56] <redtape|renegade>                            ^ ?
[09:59] <HoT|2fC^> anyone used pfSense?
[09:59] <HoT|2fC^> and turned there old PC into a Router?
[09:59] <popey> many moons ago
[09:59] <mungbean> is it like ipcop
[09:59] <HoT|2fC^> Do you burn it to a disc popey?
[09:59] <popey> old PCs consume too much power these days
[09:59] <popey> yes mungbean
[09:59] <HoT|2fC^> mungbean not sure.
[09:59] <HoT|2fC^> popey, that means ?
[09:59] <mungbean> only do that kind of stuff at work
[09:59] <HoT|2fC^> not good ?
[09:59] <popey> so i use a "proper" router running dd-wrt
[10:00] <popey> and openwrt
[10:00] <HoT|2fC^> :o
[10:00] <mungbean> as popey says
[10:00] <HoT|2fC^> So could I not use it for home use
[10:00] <HoT|2fC^> gaming etc..
[10:00] <HoT|2fC^> browsing.
[10:00] <popey> You could.
[10:00] <popey> I don't.
[10:00] <HoT|2fC^> porting my game servers.
[10:00] <HoT|2fC^> ah ok ok
[10:00] <popey> ah, dunno about that
[10:00] <HoT|2fC^> Well thats you your old skool ;)
[10:00] <HoT|2fC^> ah right ok
[10:01] <mungbean> "porting" your game servers?
[10:01] <HoT|2fC^> mungbean
[10:01] <HoT|2fC^> well
[10:01] <HoT|2fC^> Firewalls
[10:01] <HoT|2fC^> Services?
[10:01] <mungbean> you mean allowing external connections from the internet
[10:01] <HoT|2fC^> so it shows
[10:01] <popey> please type full sentences HoT|2fC^
[10:01] <HoT|2fC^> yes
[10:01] <popey> not
[10:01] <popey> one
[10:01] <redtape|renegade> Apparently there's a pfSense book ... http://amzn.com/0979034280
[10:01] <popey> word
[10:01] <mungbean> yeah, def worth looking at openwrt/dd-wrt/tomat
[10:01] <popey> per
[10:01] <popey> line
[10:01] <HoT|2fC^> Sorry popey, I a idiot for that :(
[10:02] <mungbean> youth of today ..
[10:02] <HoT|2fC^> mungbean :(
[10:02]  * HoT|2fC^ goes in #kidsthesedays
[10:02] <HoT|2fC^> :-)
[10:03] <popey> I used to run ipcop on an old dell computer, but these days it's just as easy to flash a real router.
[10:03] <popey> You get the benefit that it has multiple network interfaces too
[10:03] <popey> and less noise, lower power, more reliable.
[10:03] <mungbean> i've never actually owned a home wireless router than can do openwrt. although done it at work for various dev projects
[10:03] <HoT|2fC^> ah nice popey nice! so could I flash my Netgear Router with pfSense??
[10:03] <mungbean> which model?
[10:03] <popey> I have two, one runs dd-wrt, one runs openwrt, both netgear wndr3700
[10:03] <HoT|2fC^> Ermm, mungbean its a DGN2000
[10:04] <HoT|2fC^> Wireless N Router.
[10:04] <popey> Didn't know you could put pfsense on a router.
[10:04] <HoT|2fC^> I didnt this is why I ask :D
[10:05] <popey> I thought pfsense was just for old PCs
[10:05] <popey> and googling seems to agree with me
[10:05] <HoT|2fC^> I think it is, but im just treying to find a easy way round it ;)
[10:05] <mungbean> you want an easy router?
[10:05] <mungbean> doesn't have to be pfsense?
[10:05] <HoT|2fC^> well not really no.... just someone on here said to try it.
[10:05] <HoT|2fC^> CS something he was called.
[10:06] <HoT|2fC^> he not here anymore I dont thing... unless its C-S-B sorry to disturb u
[10:06] <popey> dd-wrt is easy
[10:06] <popey> and supported on lots of devices
[10:06] <mungbean> although is it supported on dgn2000 ?
[10:06] <HoT|2fC^> Ah I will look into it :) ah nice.
[10:06] <HoT|2fC^> I want to have it wirelesssly to
[10:07] <popey> yours isn't supported though
[10:07] <popey> http://www.dd-wrt.com/site/support/router-database
[10:07] <mungbean> failzors
[10:07] <popey> oh thats a dsl router
[10:07] <popey> I dont think dd-wrt supports any DSL routers, only plain routers.
[10:08] <HoT|2fC^> No, this is why popey this is my plan... in my basement I want to make a pfSense router from an old IBM PC that my uncle has given me! then it will be connected to the phoneline and configured running off powerline so I can accesss it upstairs!
[10:08] <HoT|2fC^> I will be connecting a second PC down in the basement with private game servers for me and friends.
[10:08] <HoT|2fC^> and remote acesss it all from above
[10:08] <HoT|2fC^> get my driff?
[10:09] <popey> I do indeed.
[10:09] <popey> sounds like a plan
[10:09] <HoT|2fC^> It is stan ;)
[10:10] <mungbean> who pays the electricity bills?
[10:10] <HoT|2fC^> will it cost alot ?
[10:10] <mungbean> PC always on costs around $1 per day
[10:10] <popey> given he has game servers running.. i doubt it will make much difference
[10:10] <HoT|2fC^> 2 pcs on 24/7 in basement then mine!
[10:11] <HoT|2fC^> 3 PCs in total, my elecy is good an new so wont be any delays or anything wrong with the meter :)
[10:11] <HoT|2fC^> Can't see it being that much :\
[10:11] <mungbean> over a year it will cost you a lot less to buy a cheap wireless router (a few watts only to run)
[10:12] <HoT|2fC^> mungbean, yeah true.
[10:12] <HoT|2fC^> but wheres the fun in that?
[10:12] <HoT|2fC^> ha!
[10:12] <mungbean> the fun is putting dd-wrt or openwrt on a device :D
[10:12] <popey> Indeed.
[10:13] <popey> Mine have been rock solid for months
[10:13] <HoT|2fC^> so I can do that with my device? the Netgear DGN2000 :\
[10:13] <BigRedS> mungbean: everyone has to have a go at repurposing a PC into a router at some point I think
[10:13] <HoT|2fC^> sure popey said its not supported :\
[10:13] <BigRedS> it's only by doing that that you realise it's far more hassle than it's worth
[10:13] <popey> BigRedS: true ☻
[10:13] <mungbean> BigRedS: sure, as a summer project..then you buy the deivce after :D
[10:13] <HoT|2fC^> lol bigcalm
[10:13] <mungbean> also, spinning disks fail..especially on old PC. so might get to do it twice!
[10:13] <HoT|2fC^> oops BigRedS :)
[10:13] <BigRedS> it's like making a home fileserver. Then you realise that fixing mdraid is something you should only do when someone is paying you to and you buy a raid-in-a-box
[10:14] <mungbean> but not a drobo
[10:14] <BigRedS> hah, no, not any more
[10:14] <redtape|renegade> OT : Firefox OS has hit the EU :: http://liliputing.com/2013/07/first-firefox-os-smartphones-hit-germany-spain.html  ::
[10:14] <BigRedS> though they'll all be proprietary
[10:14] <HoT|2fC^> BigRedS I understand but thats the most fun part:D I love keeping busy.
[10:14] <mungbean> unless you buy two of them
[10:15] <mungbean> worst thing i ever bought was a maxtor "NAS"
[10:15] <mungbean> bought two for our cheapskate company in a small satellite office
[10:15] <HoT|2fC^> reaally mungbean? I my uncle has a Netgear NAS works wonders
[10:15] <mungbean> fans died, overheated, failed. epic fail
[10:16] <mungbean> mega slow
[10:16] <HoT|2fC^> oww :(
[10:16] <mungbean> 1gb eth port, but ran sloooooooooow
[10:16] <HoT|2fC^> mmm what drives ?
[10:16] <HoT|2fC^> My unc uses those Seagates.
[10:17] <mungbean> 2 maxtor in RAID 1
[10:17] <HoT|2fC^> maxtor fail alot Ive noticed...
[10:17] <mungbean> yes
[10:19]  * HoT|2fC^ used to hear... click click click (KNOK) then it would go BOOOM!
[10:19] <HoT|2fC^> joys of Maxtor ;)
[10:36] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: at least it doesn't go *SCREEEEEEEEEECH*
[10:37] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: and then *GRIIIIIIND*
[10:38] <ali1234> or sssssSSSSSSSsssssssSSSSSSSSSsssssssssSSSSSSSSS-KADONK
[10:39] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:39] <mgdm> or VROOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
[10:39]  * mungbean checks
[10:40] <mungbean> still morning
[10:41] <redtape|renegade> my computer switched off the fuse box this morning .. all I heard at 6am was a 'clunk'.
[11:00] <mungbean> adobe site says my installed adobe plugin is out of date
[11:00] <mungbean> its the latest ubuntu one 11.2.x
[11:07] <popey> http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ that page?
[11:07] <popey> 11.2.202.291 according to that page
[11:08] <popey> 11.7 for other platforms
[11:21] <ali1234> !info blender precise
[11:21] <ali1234> hmm you'd think that would be new enough but no, apparently it's python api is very different
[11:22] <brobostigon> !info blender unstable
[11:33] <ali1234> 13.04 has 2.66a
[11:37] <ali1234> ooo a bug
[11:37] <ali1234> what's that package that helps you when you run a command that isn't installed called?
[11:39] <ali1234> running "i686-w64-mingw32-g++" suggests to install thew wrong package on precise...
[11:40] <SuperMatt> oh those touch devs, they're so clever
[11:41] <SuperMatt> kudos for not having to unlock the phone for something that doesn't use private data
[11:47] <popey> ali1234: command-not-found ?
[11:47] <ali1234> yeah and it's already reported
[11:47] <ali1234> can you try running "i686-w64-mingw32-g++" on something recent and tell me what package it says to install?
[11:48] <ali1234> assuming you don't have it installed already of course :)
[11:48] <ali1234> the bug report is one of those "multiple things are broken" ones where it's not clear which part is actually fixed
[11:50] <ali1234> actually you can run it directly
[11:51] <ali1234> but it is too smart for it's own good and knows i alread have the binary installed
[11:52] <ali1234> ok it's really fixed on raring... cool
[11:55] <popey> The program 'i686-w64-mingw32-g++' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:
[11:55] <popey> sudo apt-get install g++-mingw-w64-i686
[11:56] <ali1234> yeah that's the correct package
[11:57] <ali1234> on precise it says to install gcc-mingw-w64
[11:57] <ali1234> cos they split the package and didn't update command-not-foud
[11:57]  * ali1234 is setting up continuous integration on raceworld private source repo
[11:58] <popey> nice
[11:58] <ali1234> ironically the win32 build was much easier to get going
[11:59] <ali1234> linux build is complaining about 101 X11/opengl includes that you don't get on an ubuntu server by default
[12:36] <redtape|renegade> OT : Something for dinner .. #football .. :: https://plus.google.com/u/0/115240799014773651633/posts/TMh4DrHpG1g  ::
[13:59] <celesteh> hello, i am using the file browser thing to mount a shared folder on my friend's apple computer. i need to find the path to the mount point in the file system. does anybody have any idea where it might be?  i've tried .gvfs and it doesn't seem to be there
[14:00] <bigcalm> celesteh: have a look in /media/<your username>
[14:03] <celesteh> bigcalm, it doesn't seem to be there
[14:03] <bigcalm> Maybe somebody else can help then :)
[14:03] <mungbean> does it show when you type mount
[14:04] <ali1234> it will be in gvfs
[14:04] <ali1234> ~/.gvfs/
[14:04] <celesteh> i don't see it when i type mount
[14:05] <ali1234> yeah you won't because gvfs is one big pseudo filesystem
[14:06] <celesteh> it shows up as mounted in the file browser, but when i click on it, it tells me there's a broken pipe and it's not in .gvfs, so it seems to not actually be mounting correctly
[14:06] <ali1234> pretty typical unfortunately
[14:08]  * mungbean watches oprah bees for a lol
[14:08] <popey> heh
[14:09] <dwatkins> bees!
[14:10] <mungbean> http://i.imgur.com/PZTxs38.gif
[14:10] <mungbean> lol
[14:10] <dwatkins> :(
[14:12] <popey> whenever anyone says BEES! it reminds me of a mitchell & webb sketch
[14:12] <mgdm> reminds me first of Eddie Izzard
[14:13] <popey> http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/clips/p003h619/mitchell_webb_mitchell_and_webb_big_brother_david_firth_celebrity_fame_zeppelin/
[14:16] <popey> properly love that sketch
[14:17] <bigcalm> Love that
[14:19] <celesteh> gah, mount_afp is giving me a core dump :(
[14:27] <celesteh> ok, i seem to have now successfully mounted my friend's drive, but i still can't find the mount point in the file system
[14:28] <popey> celesteh: you wont
[14:29] <celesteh> so how do i cd to the mounted folder?
[14:30] <popey> you can't
[14:30] <celesteh> i have a script that needs to write to the shared folder, so a normal file path would really be very helpful
[14:30] <popey> you navigate in the gui
[14:30] <popey> you need to mount it manually if you want to do that
[14:30] <celesteh> the gui has mounted it someplace, though?
[14:31] <popey> nope
[14:31] <celesteh> mounting manually via mount_afp says: Could not connect, never got a response to getstatus, Connection timed out
[14:31] <celesteh> how can the gui do stuff if it's not mounted?
[14:33] <popey> nautilus via gvfs mounts it internally
[14:34] <popey> aha, found it
[14:35] <popey>  /run/user/<username>/gvfs
[14:35] <popey> under there
[14:35] <SuperMatt> I remember when everything was under /home/<username>/.gvfs
[14:35] <SuperMatt> I don't quite understand the change
[14:36] <popey> i remember when it was all under /media
[14:36] <SuperMatt> let me guess, you could see everything that other people had mounted
[14:36] <SuperMatt> so /media/porn\ on\ server1
[14:41] <shauno> curious, do you normally mount entire disks of porn on machines that have several concurrent users?
[14:41] <SuperMatt> I wouldn't say I normally do that, no
[14:41] <SuperMatt> but it's a possibility that some might
[14:43] <shauno> I sometimes worry that the heavy focus on separating users is going to start missing the big picture when it comes to security
[14:43] <popey> que?
[14:43] <popey> surely separating users is exactly what you want for security
[14:44] <shauno> well, like the popular position that linux is more secure than windows because malware can't get root to do anything useful
[14:44] <popey> quite glad our family nexus 7 has multi-user setup
[14:45] <shauno> I tend to think root is the last thing it needs.
[14:45] <celesteh> thanks, popey
[14:46] <davmor2> shauno: you need root to install anything that can affect the entire system is the point
[14:46] <shauno> that's the bit I think is a kinda 80s mindset
[14:46] <celesteh> when I cd to /run/user/celesteh/gvfs and type cd, it seems to just hang
[14:46] <celesteh> ... going to reboot
[14:47] <shauno> you can setup a C&C bot without root, a spam drone, harvest my cookies, read my email, keylog me logging into my bank.  attach yourself to my xinitrc with a fairly safe assumption that if my laptop's on, I'm logged in
[14:47] <shauno> 'root' protects all the parts of the system I don't care about.  the stuff a reinstall can fix
[14:47] <SuperMatt> root is normally disabled
[14:48] <SuperMatt> so most people can't interactively get in to it
[14:48] <BigRedS> shauno: yeah, but the same mechanism means that something you let in can only modify *your* things, and not any other non-root user's
[14:48] <BigRedS> which is also a litle bit 1980s
[14:48] <SuperMatt> if they have sudo access though, then they can do all  that stuff listed above
[14:48] <SuperMatt> so removing root doesn't do anything
[14:48] <shauno> BigRedS: I'm the only user on my laptop.  and that's not an unusual position
[14:49] <BigRedS> well, early-2000s. I imagine lots of home PCs still have a few users
[14:49] <BigRedS> shauno: yeah, that's what I was agreeing with :)
[14:49] <BigRedS> the root thingy is _very_ appropriate on a server still, of course
[14:49] <shauno> I'm not saying protecting root is a bad thing.  but it's not the be-all and end-all.  because most the stuff I actually care about on this machine is *mine*, not ubuntu's
[14:50] <BigRedS> oh, yeah
[14:50] <SuperMatt> BigRedS: yeah, it is, but some people still insist on having active root accounts
[14:50] <BigRedS> I did miss the beginning of this conversation :)
[14:50] <SuperMatt> I personally hate it
[14:50] <BigRedS> SuperMatt: yeah, I do
[14:51] <BigRedS> I don't think sudo offers any protection at all unless you've a set of users who need to elevate themselves to root for a defined set of jobs
[14:51] <BigRedS> and most servers aren't run like that, and this cloudy one-vm-per-service model goes even further away from that
[14:51] <SuperMatt> indeed
[14:52] <BigRedS> so everyone ends up with ALL=(ALL) ALL in sudoers and at that point it's largely pointless. Except for making the username harder to guess
[14:52] <SuperMatt> sure, but it does decrease the attack vector
[14:53] <shauno> cloud can often make the username easier :/  eg, on amazon, I know the username is going to be 'ubuntu' for ubuntu images, ec2-user for redhat, etc
[14:53] <BigRedS> yeah, and makes everything more hassle 'cause every command needs a sudo in front of it
[14:53] <BigRedS> unless you sudo su
[14:53] <SuperMatt> shauno: anyone who leaves the username as ubuntu deserves the problems they get ;)
[14:53] <BigRedS> shauno: I'd assumed people's own AMIs used different names? Mine all had root :)
[14:54] <shauno> still, I think the focus on protecting the OS (which is essentially disposable) rather than the user (which I actually care about) is kinda retro
[14:55] <BigRedS> yeah
[14:55] <BigRedS> but it's hard to protect the user without hindering them
[14:56] <SuperMatt> shauno: except that you're thinking of the desktop space only
[14:56] <SuperMatt> when I protect my servers, I wanna make sure it's *all* safe
[14:57] <SuperMatt> but I also need to make sure that I can get to all the data for backups etc, which is where a root account comes in handy
[14:59] <BigRedS> SuperMatt: surely all your data is read by non-root accounts, though?
[15:00] <SuperMatt> well, yeah, but I don't wanna log in as www-data to grab my apache stuff, and then as mysql to grab mysql stuff
[15:14] <BigRedS> Heh. As we're talking about this we've a customer whose had their login compromised and the attacker sudo su...
[15:23] <celesteh> so is it possible to mount an afp with anything other than the nautilus gvfs thing? because this is just fail-tastic
[15:24] <celesteh> gvfs mounts for like half a second and then silently disconnects
[15:24] <celesteh> it won't even unmount successfully. this is doing nothing right
[15:51] <czajkowski> folks may be interested in http://hackference.co.uk/
[15:53] <mgdm> I know two people on that page, woo
[17:16] <redtape|renegade> OT : I have no biscuits left , May turn to cannibalism, : I'll decide after watching John Snow.- CH4 News.
[17:37] <Laney> i hate the way the google bell icon pings in
[17:37] <Laney> distracts me every time
[17:55] <dwatkins> my brother has superhuman abilities to ignore such notifications
[17:55] <dwatkins> I can't help but click on them to make the number go away
[17:55] <Laney> no, no number
[17:55] <Laney> it just loads a second or so after the page does
[17:56] <Laney> less than that even
[17:56] <dwatkins> oh right, I tend to fire-and-forget with loading pages like Google plus - cmd+t, pl<return> *do something else*
[17:58] <Laney> it's on the search result page too :(
[17:59] <dwatkins> I just use the address bar for searching.
[17:59] <ali1234> dwatkins: don't you find notify-osd incredibly annoying then?
[17:59] <dwatkins> seat-of-the pants computing all the way here
[17:59] <ali1234> since you can't make them go away?
[17:59] <dwatkins> ali1234: osd?
[17:59] <ali1234> you know, ubuntu notifications
[18:00] <dwatkins> I don't know, I use fluxbox ;)
[18:00] <ali1234> haha
[18:00] <ali1234> well it probably works there
[18:00] <ali1234> but that makes sense
[18:00] <dwatkins> probably, I thought you could configure how long it stays etc.
[18:00] <ali1234> not really
[18:00] <ali1234> not without using the PPA
[18:00] <dwatkins> I do need to set growl up to go away sometimes on my Mac, not sure what's best for that
[18:00] <dwatkins> so it'll be fixed in a later version, then
[18:01] <ali1234> no
[18:01] <ali1234> the unofficial PPA with all the features that upstream won't accept
[18:02] <dwatkins> oh
[19:43] <Laney> oh slow cooker, how tasty your food
[19:46] <shauno> the notifications to bug me.  they blur on mouseover, but it's not entirely obvious that they're trying to indicate your clicks "go through" them
[19:48] <popey> \o/ slow cooker
[19:48]  * popey had chilli today
[19:50] <shauno> I just wish mine was easier to clean.  but it said not to put the ceramic in the dishwasher :(
[19:51] <popey> put it on soak after cooking?
[19:51] <popey> thats what i do, and give it a brush. it'll be fine in 30 mins
[19:52] <shauno> I guess I haven't figured out how fragile it is yet.  a bit paranoid to put water in when it's hot
[19:52] <popey> oh i dont put it _in_ water
[19:52] <popey> but run hot water first, put it in the empty sink and then run hot water into it
[19:53] <Laney> popey: snap
[19:53] <Laney> i've never had a problem cleaning it
[19:55] <Laney> although i did dishwash it last time :S
[20:05] <shauno> perhaps I'm just lazy :)
[20:07] <shauno> curious, is http://planet.ubuntu-uk.org dead intentionally?
[20:07] <popey> yes
[20:08] <shauno> fair enough.  just copying my feeds over to a new reader, and this one flags feeds that haven't updated in 10 weeks
[20:11] <popey> handy
[20:12] <shauno> unintentional, just abandoning google reader a day too late
[20:13] <shauno> can't figure out why it won't take planet.gnome.org either :/  (appears to be an SSL issue)
[22:28] <redtape|renegade> Well, that went well . NOT.
[22:30] <redtape|renegade> I tried to boot the Arch_sys partition on the SDcard on the wm8650 netbook (£30 one)  and it wouldn't load .. just kicked into android .. initiate 'end-of-tether' protocol.