[06:16] <Squirm> morning
[06:45] <Kilos> morning superfly HawkiesZA inetpro and others
[06:47] <HawkiesZA> Morning Kilos! How're you?
[06:47] <Kilos> good ty HawkiesZA and you?
[06:48] <Kilos> you are on our mailing list hey?
[06:48] <HawkiesZA> I am, but get the digest version
[06:49] <Kilos> whatever that might be
[06:50] <Kilos> i use evolution client and replied yesterday with the option to list which i dont normally do and dunno if it got there
[06:50] <Kilos> maybe the fly knows
[06:52] <HawkiesZA> Fly says it did get there
[06:52] <Kilos> cool tell him ty
[06:53] <Kilos> i see today telkom is gonna supply 100mb/s fibre to the home
[06:54] <Kilos> they aint even got wires to here anymore the swines
[06:54] <HawkiesZA> Do the wires get stolen the whole time?
[06:54] <Kilos> ya
[06:54] <Kilos> after 5th time time refused to replace
[06:55] <Kilos> they
[06:55] <HawkiesZA> Fibre is gonna get stolen too because people will think it's copper :/
[06:55] <Kilos> eish and its most likely expensive stuff
[06:56] <HawkiesZA> Yep
[06:56] <HawkiesZA> Well, maybe it'll only happen once
[06:56] <Kilos> haha
[06:57] <Kilos> but adding the cost of just having a telkom phone at home before you even get broadband adds up to more than jut getting a 2+1 bundle on mobile
[07:19] <Kilos> yo zeref 
[07:46] <magespawn> good morning all
[07:46] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[07:47] <zeref> hey Kilos 
[07:47] <Kilos> haai Vince-0 
[07:48] <magespawn> Kilos i as just reading last nights conversation
[07:48] <magespawn> s/as/was
[07:49] <Kilos> hehe
[07:49] <Kilos> now your eyes tired
[07:49] <magespawn> yup
[07:49] <Kilos> sorry
[07:50] <magespawn> the benefit of using the dongle in the router is that your pc does not have to be on for the tablet to use the internet
[07:52] <Kilos> ah
[07:52] <Kilos> how far do these routers send the wifi signal
[07:52] <HawkiesZA> Quite far
[07:53] <HawkiesZA> Depends on the router though
[07:53] <Kilos> http://www.billion.com/product/3g/BiPAC-7300NX-3G-Wireless-N-ADSL2-Firewall-Router.html
[07:54] <Kilos> i dont see in specs where it tells you
[07:54] <Kilos> i dont even know if that is a good one or not
[07:55] <Kilos> and the user manual page dont open
[07:55] <Kilos> grrr
[07:56] <Kilos> never smooth sailing
[07:59] <magespawn> about 100m line of sight Kilos, under optimum conditions
[07:59] <Kilos> ty magespawn 
[08:00] <magespawn> a lot of that depends on evironmental factors though
[08:01] <Kilos> thats fine for here dont want neighbours trying to get in
[08:01] <Kilos> they rich business peeps and rich peeps always look for ways to cut costs
[08:02] <magespawn> and signal behaves strange sometimes
[08:03] <Kilos> hehe all this schlep for a tablet
[08:06] <Kilos> oh well 12.04 is so stable i spose one needs other distractions
[08:09] <magespawn> routers can give a few of those
[08:09] <Kilos> oh magespawn sis at wimpy with tablet but got a prob i used the & in her mail password and she can find it on that keyboard
[08:10] <Kilos> always something hey
[08:10] <magespawn> there is usually an alt key, looks like a up arrow on the right hand side i think
[08:11] <Kilos>  will that open more stuffs
[08:11] <magespawn> or says Alt on it
[08:11] <Kilos> hi psy
[08:12] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[08:12]  * HawkiesZA does Gangnam style dance
[08:12] <Kilos> lol she says tab aint got alt key
[08:12] <Kilos> hehe
[08:12] <magespawn> or a key with 12# on it, that brings up more keys
[08:14] <Kilos> she says no
[08:14] <magespawn> which tablet has she got?
[08:16] <magespawn> does it have a full keyboard like a pc, or is it one with less keys?
[08:16] <Kilos> etab 0507 by blaupunkt
[08:16] <Kilos> you gotta do something to make numbers appear
[08:19] <psyatw> hello magespawn
[08:19] <psyatw> hello HawkiesZA
[08:19] <magespawn> hi psyatw
[08:19] <magespawn> on mine there is an up arrow on the right hand side
[08:20] <tonberryE352> mine has a ?123 on the left hand side
[08:27] <Kilos> i changed her addy to no uppercase stuffs and she is in
[08:27] <Kilos> ty guys
[08:29] <Kilos> pity peeps dont standardise basi stuffs like keyboards
[08:29] <Kilos> basic
[08:30] <Kilos> like with cells everyone has a different charger hole
[08:30] <Kilos> can tablets do irc
[08:31] <Kilos> and pidgin
[08:34] <magespawn> they can do irc, not sure about pidgin
[08:34] <Kilos> ah
[08:39] <Kilos> ah they can do mxit, shell be happy
[08:40] <Kilos> she'll
[08:46] <magespawn> gotta go out bbl
[08:46] <Kilos> ok go safe
[08:50] <charl> good morning
[08:50] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:50]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[08:50] <Kilos> hi charl 
[08:50] <charl> hi Kilos 
[08:50] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[08:50] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[08:50] <charl> how's it going
[08:51] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[08:53] <charl> i'm doing well thanks
[08:54] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[08:54] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[08:54] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[08:56] <charl> Maaz: thank you
[08:56] <Maaz> charl: No problem
[09:06] <psyatw> good morning charl
[09:07] <Kilos> oh my did i say hi psyatw 
[09:07] <Kilos> sorry
[09:07] <Kilos> oh ya we did greet
[09:08] <Kilos> im looking if one can install android as the OS on a desktop
[09:09] <tonberryE352> i think a saw something like that on a netbook a few years back
[09:10] <Kilos> i see they making miipc but just want the actual OS for a desktop
[09:11] <tonberryE352> http://www.android-x86.org/
[09:11] <Kilos> then sis can let the pc and tablet get her up to date with what goes where
[09:11] <Kilos> ty tonberryE352 
[09:13] <Kilos> will see when i can stay up to use nightsurfer data
[09:23] <superfly> hi Kilos
[09:23] <Kilos> hi my fly
[10:05] <charl> hi psyatw 
[10:06] <psyatw> Kilos. yes, you did
[10:07] <Symmetria> hrm
[10:07] <Symmetria> Im looking for a developer 
[10:07] <charl> hi Symmetria 
[10:07] <Symmetria> someone good in perl or one of the other languages that can process text config files and produce me certain reports 
[10:08] <Symmetria> and someone who is interested in 3 or 4 weeks of hard work with a very nice payday attached
[10:08] <Symmetria> ;p
[10:08] <Symmetria> :) lo charl
[10:08] <Symmetria> so if anyone knows anyone let me know
[10:08] <charl> python is good for that type of tasks, and unlike perl, it has a nice readable syntax :)
[10:09] <Symmetria> (oh, and its pretty critical that the person have at least some understanding of networking, if not a very in depth knowledge of it)
[10:09] <Symmetria> charl, would be happy with a python developer as well, I need the output, what language its written in
[10:09] <Symmetria> I dont care :)
[10:09] <Symmetria> for all i care, it could be written in visual basic ;p 
[10:09] <charl> ouch :D
[10:10] <charl> if i still worked freelance i would have been interested
[10:10] <charl> but i have a full time job now so i can't pick up massive quantity of work
[10:10] <charl> only small things i can do after hours in my own time
[10:10] <Symmetria> well, if ya know anyone, I have? a good coupla thousand dollars I can part with on this
[10:11] <Symmetria> (dependant on what the project ends up looking like, this could end up being worth 20 thousand dollars or something to someone)
[10:11] <charl> that's not bad, are you looking for someone to work on it full time? 40 hours per week for a month?
[10:12] <charl> any preference on where they are based? must be in .za?
[10:17] <Kilos> hi neo31 
[10:17] <neo31> hi Kilos :)
[10:17] <charl> hi neo31 
[10:18] <neo31> hi charl  :)
[10:18] <Kilos> :-) :-) :)
[10:19] <Kilos> thats to make up for smileys i naver use
[10:19] <charl> lol Kilos 
[10:19] <Kilos> never either
[10:21] <charl> lunch time, bbl
[11:07] <Symmetria> charl, dont care where they are based
[11:07] <Symmetria> and time, well, I need them to look at the project and tell me how much time they need
[11:08] <Symmetria> the basic thing here is that we get what we need at the end of the day, the rest is all immaterial other than that this is really urgent
[11:54] <charl> Symmetria: i sent the above log to some developers i know, if they are interested i will pass them through
[11:55] <charl> Symmetria: i could take something on if it isn't too much work but if it's a lot of work there is no point because i need to do it after hours
[11:58] <charl> hi trender 
[11:58] <trender> afternoon charl
[12:24] <magespawn> afternoon all
[12:24] <magespawn> Kilos you around?
[12:25] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[12:25] <magespawn> ty found this http://www.bhphotovideo.com/indepth/computers/buying-guides/wi-fi-routers.htm
[12:25] <magespawn> has some info about wifi etc
[12:26] <Kilos> ty
[12:27] <magespawn> it looks like there are some limitations to the modem you can use directly with the router
[12:34] <charl> hi magespawn 
[12:37] <magespawn> hey charl
[12:38] <magespawn> Symmetria: maybe have a look at one of those freelance websites?
[12:47] <magespawn> bbl
[13:32] <inetpro> good afternoon
[13:32] <inetpro> hi Kilos, kom jy reg oom?
[13:33] <inetpro> do we have anyone running their Ubuntu systems on Dell servers?
[13:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> not I
[13:34]  * inetpro has an issue with a R710
[13:35] <inetpro> when booting up get the following error:
[13:35] <inetpro> your battery is either charging, bad or missing, and you have VDs configured
[13:35] <inetpro> for write-back mode. Because the batteryis not currently usable, these VDs
[13:35] <inetpro> wil actually run in write-through mode untilthe battery is fully charged or
[13:35] <inetpro> replaced if it is bad or missing.
[13:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> ...
[13:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> there's more?
[13:35] <tonberryE352> replace the batteries?
[13:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, i don't see the ubuntu-related part :)
[13:36] <inetpro> I swapped it out with another non-critical server
[13:36] <inetpro> what I want to know,...
[13:37] <inetpro> how would one detect this kind of problem on a running server
[13:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah
[13:37] <Kilos> die ding het nou net gekom inetpro 
[13:37] <tonberryE352> pester dell until they release a tool?
[13:37] <Kilos> moet eers help met ander goed
[13:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> you'd need to try and get the utility for the RAID card to run under ubuntu
[13:38] <inetpro> tonberryE352: you have someone I can talk to at Dell?
[13:39] <tonberryE352> no
[13:39] <inetpro> :-)
[13:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> we use IBM stuff here, they use IBM-branded LSI RAID hardware and we were able to get the LSI MegaRAID util running
[13:39] <tonberryE352> aren't they supposed to have good support or something
[13:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> what raid card is it?
[13:40] <inetpro> tonberryE352: We'll try to log a call and I'll take it from there, was just hoping someone here will perhaps have a quick answer for me
[13:40] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: I assume it's Perc 6
[13:41] <tonberryE352> ah no, sorry, playing with an old server is the limit of my experience
[13:41]  * inetpro interrogating dmidecode to find out
[13:42] <inetpro> hmm.... nothing in there
[13:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> inetpro: not familiar with Dell, but it seems to be a rebranded LSI, just like IBM does with their stuff
[13:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> inetpro: http://pookey.co.uk/wordpress/archives/46-dell-perc-6i-and-raid-monitoring
[13:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> also http://serverfault.com/a/261117/4487, which is IBM-related, but may help too
[13:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> methinks inetpro is suffering terrible headaches. the kind only LSI's MegaCLI can bring about :-p
[14:03] <Vince-0> I think openIPMI can report that stuff
[14:06] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: what bugs me is that they keep changing these things all the time
[14:06] <inetpro> and one group of developers seems very pro open source while the next doesn't seem to have a clue what the previous group has done
[14:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> who is "they"?
[14:14] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: good question
[14:15] <inetpro> not sure I know the answer to that :-)
[14:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> you lost me :-/
[14:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> it bugs you that "they" keep changing "things" all the time
[14:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> who and what things?
[14:17] <inetpro> I mean the people at Dell
[14:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah
[14:19] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: but thanks for those links, looks like something I need to go through in more detail
[14:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> no worries
[14:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> i also dread every time new models come along
[14:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> last year we got new IBM DS3500 storage arrays, and it took me more than a week of trial and error and tweaking to get the multipath.conf settings just right :-/
[14:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> and then when its time for the new LTS you start playing the "hold thumbs and hope this still works" for all those weird tweaks
[14:21] <inetpro> exactly
[14:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> i still hope that one day ubuntu will enjoy the support that redhat/sles have from the vendors
[14:28] <Kilos> nuwe goed wat so pla inetpro ?
[14:39]  * Kilos cries
[14:39] <Kilos> Maaz, is http://support.billion.com/_Internet/usermanual/BiPAC7300N_UMEN.zip down
[14:39] <Maaz> Kilos: Yes, http://support.billion.com/_Internet/usermanual/BiPAC7300N_UMEN.zip is down (Server is not responding)
[14:52] <Kilos> can one of you look at the mail from johan about the vodacom connection. i think he has to use something different to vodacom for his service provider
[14:53] <Kilos> i have no idea what it could be
[14:54] <Kilos> 8ta installed here and showed in nm as 8.ta and i had to remove the . and just use 8ta in the script but have no idea what the vodacom would be
[14:54] <Kilos> please
[14:56] <Kilos> maybe vodacom instead of vodacom but i dont wanna mail try this or that if its wrong
[14:57] <N8Wulf> g'day All
[14:57] <Kilos> hi N8Wulf 
[14:59] <N8Wulf_> Grrr...! Stupid 3G
[15:00] <Kilos> whats up N8Wulf 
[15:00] <Kilos> oh  you out inned
[15:01] <N8Wulf_> I made a booboo... I started with my media server HDD setups and part of it is that I wanna change the NTFS to Ext4
[15:01] <N8Wulf_> I made a mistake though
[15:01] <N8Wulf_> terminal
[15:02] <N8Wulf_> mkdir Temp
[15:02] <N8Wulf_> mv /* Temp
[15:03] <N8Wulf_> and that ended up moving everything on / into one file called Temp
[15:03] <N8Wulf_> is there a way to retrieve or Undo this mess I created?
[15:04] <N8Wulf_> Please Mr Kilos
[15:04] <Kilos> oh my
[15:05] <Kilos> whew the clever guys need to help here
[15:06] <Kilos> what if you reverse the command
[15:06] <Kilos> like mv Temp /
[15:06] <Kilos> better wait for expert help
[15:09] <Kilos> and im just Kilos Mr died a while ago
[15:09] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, hi busy?
[15:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> hey, what's up
[15:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> hrmmmm
[15:14] <Kilos> see N8Wulf_ prob just above please
[15:14] <Kilos> need to reverse that command
[15:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> if those are the exact commands, then you couldn't have moved everything into a file called Temp, as you already have a directory called Temp
[15:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can't have a file and directory with the same name
[15:15] <N8Wulf_> well... the full run down is actually the following. I mounted sdb1 to /dev/files/disk1
[15:16] <N8Wulf_> then in there I've got a number of folders I wanted to sort out and then move into one communal folder called "new"
[15:16] <N8Wulf_> one of my folders is called Comedy
[15:17] <N8Wulf_> and then of course series and movies
[15:17] <N8Wulf_> I wanted to move these 3 folders into "new" and then only move new to my External HDD
[15:18] <N8Wulf_> so stupid, while also as sudo user, typed:
[15:18] <N8Wulf_> mv /* new
[15:18] <N8Wulf_> voila... Gone is my whole system into a new Raw file called new
[15:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> so "new" didn't exist as a directory
[15:19] <N8Wulf_> it stopped when it got to the point where documents where gonna start overwriting themselves
[15:19] <N8Wulf_> it did yes
[15:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> then all that stuff was moved into the directory
[15:19] <N8Wulf_> but instead of all moving into new/        it moved into new
[15:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmm
[15:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> hold on
[15:23] <N8Wulf_> Thank you
[15:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://slexy.org/view/s21tdnJSyO
[15:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> pretend "fakeroot" in my example is "/" on your system
[15:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> as you can see, it doesn't work the way you describe
[15:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> even if i don't create "new" beforehand, i get "mv: target ‘new’ is not a directory"
[15:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> what version of ubuntu are you using?
[15:32] <Kilos> hes offline ThatGraemeGuy 
[15:32] <Kilos> playing in / is dangerous
[15:34] <Kilos> N8Wulf, <ThatGraemeGuy> even if i don't create "new" beforehand, i get "mv: target ‘new’ is not a directory"
 what version of ubuntu are you using?
[15:34] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s21tdnJSyO
[15:37] <N8Wulf_> I,m on server 12.04
[15:38] <Kilos> N8Wulf_, did you look at the slexy link
[15:38] <N8Wulf_> sorry, my 3G DC'd
[15:39] <N8Wulf_> didn't see that until now, will check it out quickly
[15:39] <Kilos> np
[15:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> N8Wulf_: sorry, i can't make mine do that
[15:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> if the dir "new" exists, everything moves into it, if it doesn't exist, i get  "mv: target ‘new’ is not a directory"
[15:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> just tried it on a 12.04 box as root
[15:41] <N8Wulf_> brb... 4 yr old kiddie and EyePet on PS3 is bugging me, just have to go see her Pet quickly
[15:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> works exactly like my paste
[15:43] <N8Wulf_> I'm back... 
[15:45] <N8Wulf_> ok, I think what I'll try and do seeing as I ended up moving my Ubuntu system which will be under / into the folder called /dev/files/drive1/new (according to that post in Slinky), and my system can no longer boot up, it's stuck at the Grub select screen...
[15:45] <Kilos> eish
[15:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> 2 tips
[15:46] <N8Wulf_> I will boot quickly with a Live DVD and then try move the contents from above folder structure then back to where it's supposed to be...
[15:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> less sudo is good for you :-)
[15:46] <N8Wulf_> lol
[15:46] <Kilos> hehe
[15:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> try a text-based filemanager like midnight commander, it's less prone to that sort of "oops"
[15:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> but yeah, at this stage a reinstall might be your only hope
[15:47] <N8Wulf_> was busy installing Apps and updating etc, then I went and moved that... (cry... sob.... blush)
[15:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> was the target dir ntfs?
[15:47] <N8Wulf_> jip, ntfs
[15:47] <N8Wulf_> forgot about MC
[15:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> you'll probably need to reinstall then, almost certainly your permissions will be completely wrong even if you do manage to move the stuff back
[15:48] <N8Wulf_> makes sense
[15:48] <N8Wulf_> damn!
[15:48] <N8Wulf_> whole day again
[15:49] <N8Wulf_> server setup
[15:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> we've all been there :)
[15:49] <N8Wulf_> updating... bla bla bla. Lucky it's holidays for me
[15:49] <N8Wulf_> I appreciate your assistance once again Guys
[15:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> no worries :-)
[15:50] <N8Wulf_> Good to know it's still there somewhere, I just need to access it from a working OS like a Live DVD. Viva Linux
[15:51] <N8Wulf_> Me Wifey is calling for some Irish Coffee... Coffee anyone?
[15:51] <Kilos> lol
[15:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> irish coffee mmmmmmmmm
[15:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> but you can hold the coffee, thanks :P
[15:54] <Kilos> thanks ThatGraemeGuy 
[15:55] <N8Wulf_> I got some Mugg & Bean Espresso beans yesterday, gonna ground fresh now...
[16:00] <Kilos> N8Wulf_, if you boot from dvd you can try move all the downloaded packages to somewhere from /var/cache/apt/archives/
[16:01] <Kilos> i use rsync -av /var/cache/apt/archives/ /media/storage/packsp/
[16:02] <Kilos> then after new install reverse the command and apt-get update and you dont need to download everything when upgrading
[16:02] <Kilos> much faster
[16:03] <Kilos> and saves data
[16:03] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[16:04] <Kilos> even faster if you do it to a second drive in the pc
[16:19] <Kilos> im gonna try 3g in the router
[16:19] <Kilos> wbb
[16:31] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: FYI: I found the following nice resource https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2011-March/240968.html
[16:33] <Vince-0> Heyo
[16:34] <inetpro> installed Dell OpenManage 7.1 and am running the DSM SA Connection Service
[16:35] <inetpro> quite nifty
[16:35] <Kilos> yo plustwo you here?
[16:35] <Kilos> you still at work inetpro ?
[16:35] <inetpro> Kilos: yep, but on me way out
[16:35] <Kilos> np just asked
[16:36] <Kilos> its cold out there go safe inetpro 
[16:36] <inetpro> Kilos: ta
[16:36] <Kilos> hi psychicist 
[16:36] <psychicist> hi Kilos 
[16:36] <psychicist> hi inetpro 
[16:47] <Superhuman> Kilos: where are you based again?
[16:47] <Kilos> west of pta Superhuman 
[16:48] <Superhuman> outside of pta, orcwestern part of pta?
[16:48] <Superhuman> 8or western
[16:48] <Kilos> outside along van der hoff on the road to brits
[16:49] <Superhuman> ah ok.
[16:49]  * Superhuman is based in Centurion
[16:49] <Kilos> aha
[16:49] <Kilos> just as cold
[16:50] <Superhuman> yeah, we have bad chill factor here, becausevwe're close to rietvlei dam. extra cold.
[16:51] <Kilos> eish same as here we are down near a spruit as well
[16:51] <Kilos> as you walk towards it you feel the temp dropping
[16:53] <Superhuman> yeah. The temp is easily 2deg cooler if you go 500m closer to the dam.
[17:01] <Superhuman> Kilos: do you perhaps know what type of bot Maaz is? eggdrop?
[17:23] <Kilos> Superhuman, can you remember what you said yesterday about letting the wifi router share my 3g?
[17:23] <Kilos> or did you google for the info
[17:28] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn all good?
[17:29] <nlsthzn> Uncle Kilos , all good thanks and with you?
[17:29] <Kilos> good ty
[17:29] <Kilos> but your heat aint arrived yet
[17:29] <nlsthzn> cool :)
[17:29] <nlsthzn> how did the switch to KDE go?
[17:30] <Kilos> i use and enjoy both
[17:30] <Kilos> dont like any of the x jobs though
[17:31] <nlsthzn> x jobs?
[17:31] <Kilos> xubuntu crunchbang etc
[17:32] <nlsthzn> oh xfce?
[17:32] <Kilos> ya
[17:33] <nlsthzn> lol, guess what I just installed and am using right now :p
[17:33] <Kilos> what
[17:33] <Kilos> xfce?
[17:36] <nlsthzn> xubuntu :p
[17:36] <Kilos> rofl
[17:37] <Kilos> i think nuvolari also uses it but i dont fancy it much
[17:37] <Kilos> but comes with xchat so thats 1 +
[17:38] <nlsthzn> I decided on it because it is pretty, customizable, fast and yes all the apps I want to use look and work correctly :p
[17:38] <Kilos> hehe
[17:39] <Kilos> i couldnt get sound in xchat i think
[17:40] <nlsthzn> that sucks
[17:40] <nlsthzn> I can't get sound in xchat yet...
[17:40] <Kilos> ya
[17:40] <nlsthzn> but I think it is the same issue I had in ubuntu so I still have some tricks to pull out :p
[17:40] <Kilos> i even tried installing mplayer like you do
[17:41] <Kilos> haha
[17:41] <N8Wulf_> I've been around the block on all... LXDE, XFCE, Gnome 2 & 3, Unity, E16 & 17 and I must say, I'm enjoying kubuntu most so far
[17:41] <Kilos> but one the the x jobs are faster
[17:42] <Kilos> one thing
[17:42] <inetpro> Kilos: because it's bare minimum, that is why
[17:42] <Kilos> ah
[17:42] <inetpro> kubuntu is a decent and complete usable system
[17:43] <Kilos> the router works but dont see the arab modem
[17:43] <Kilos> grrr
[17:43] <inetpro> ai!
[17:43] <Kilos> lol
[17:44]  * inetpro was afraid that would be the case
[17:44] <Kilos> they got no TcT in their supported modems
[17:44] <Kilos> so now i gotta work out how to share again
[17:45]  * inetpro wbbl
[17:45] <Kilos> tried info from one sight with masquerading in but dont work
[17:46] <nlsthzn> hiya inetpro 
[17:47] <Kilos> he gone to fill belly now
[17:48] <Kilos> ohya nlsthzn im tempted to try an android os here
[17:49] <nlsthzn> on a phone?
[17:49] <Kilos> no on pc
[17:50] <Kilos> sis has a tablet but i dont like them things but maybe if a desktop version is similar i can help her a bit
[17:51] <nlsthzn> there are desktops coming out now with 
[17:51] <nlsthzn> Android... 
[17:51] <nlsthzn> not so common however
[17:51] <Kilos> isnt android the future
[17:53] <nlsthzn> well on mobile and touch devices it rocks :)
[17:53] <Kilos> might be interesting to see it on a pc
[17:54] <nlsthzn> HP is bringing one out now AFAIK
[18:02] <Symmetria> ugh I was disconnected and charl left
[18:02] <Symmetria> how do I leave a message for him on the bot :)
[18:03] <Kilos> tell
[18:03] <Kilos> tell so+so on freenode message
[18:05] <Kilos> nl they small isos
[18:05] <Kilos> nlsthzn, 
[18:05] <Kilos> http://code.google.com/p/android-x86/downloads/list
[18:06] <nlsthzn> don't mean they work :p
[18:07] <Kilos> hehe
[18:10] <Kilos> i wonder if it will then look like what you see onna tablet
[18:11] <nlsthzn> can't find any pics showing it :/
[18:11] <nlsthzn> only news items
[18:12] <Kilos> http://liliputing.com/2013/02/android-x86-4-2-lets-you-run-jelly-bean-on-your-notebook-desktop-pc.html
[18:12] <Kilos> looks same
[18:13] <Kilos> maybe i wont like that i kinda a ubuntu oke
[18:13] <nlsthzn> yes but this is just someone putting stock android on a pc
[18:13] <nlsthzn> this isn't a vendor putting android on a pc
[18:13] <Kilos> oh i see what you mean
[18:31] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[20:31] <inetpro> This is so cool! http://instantserver.io
[20:33] <inetpro> a VPS with Ubuntu 13.04 ready within seconds
[20:51] <zeref> hmmm
[20:52] <zeref> hmmmm, I'm having trouble setting up my internal DNS server: I follwed: http://mixeduperic.com/ubuntu/seven-easy-steps-to-setting-up-an-interal-dns-server-on-ubuntu.html
[20:53] <zeref> my dns server in on 192.168.0.5. but when I dig it it points to .1 which is the router
[20:54] <zeref> router is set to be dhcp server. I'm set a static ip for the dns server
[20:54] <zeref> s/I'm/I've/
[20:55] <superfly> did you refresh your ip address on your computer?
[20:58] <zeref> on the server?
[20:58] <superfly> no, on your computer
[20:59] <zeref> yes
[20:59] <superfly> if your computer still has the old settings, then of course it's not going to look at the new ones
[20:59] <superfly> zeref: how?
[21:00] <zeref> disconnected from wireless then reconencted
[21:01] <superfly> a lot of these routers need to be rebooted for their settings to take effect... you did that too?
[21:01] <zeref> hmmm, lemme reboot
[21:06] <zeref> hmmmm, wireless not coming on
[21:08] <magespawn> evening
[21:08] <magespawn> inetpro nice link
[21:08] <inetpro> magespawn: very!
[21:09] <inetpro> even if it expires in 30 minutes
[21:09] <zeref> hmmmm still pointing to the router.
[21:09] <magespawn> yup cool way to get experince too
[21:10] <magespawn> spelling is bad lat3 atmnight
[21:10] <magespawn> so is typing
[21:10] <inetpro> :-)
[21:10] <inetpro> magespawn: time to go sleep
[21:10] <magespawn> even the price on the add next to it is attractive
[21:11] <magespawn> s/add/advert
[21:11] <magespawn> indeed but a bit hyped on caffeen from anti flu med
[21:13] <zeref> inetpro: 
[21:13] <inetpro> uh?
[21:14] <zeref> can you perhaps give insight into my problem
[21:15] <magespawn> dhcp will assign internal ip and the dns along with it, the dns that is on the router from the isp i think
[21:15] <inetpro> zeref: http://www.bind9.net/manuals
[21:16] <magespawn> was waiting on 'man bind' lol
[21:16] <zeref> true magespawn: but settting up an internal DNS
[21:17] <magespawn> but does the computer know that or is taking the dns along with dhcp from the router?
[21:18] <zeref> i'm thinking that setting the router as dhcp also sets it as dns
[21:20] <magespawn> yes that is what i was trying to say
[21:21] <magespawn> what will happen if you manually set the dns on your router to the ip address of your server?
[21:22]  * inetpro calls it a day
[21:22] <inetpro> good night everyone
[21:22] <magespawn> or you have to manually set each machine to check the local server for dns first
[21:22] <magespawn> good night inetpro 
[21:22] <inetpro> zeref: see also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BIND9ServerHowto
[21:23] <inetpro> bye
[21:23] <zeref> magespawn: The dns server has got a static address.
[21:24] <magespawn> yes i meant the other pc they need to have the dns set instead of taking it from the dhcp server/router
[21:29] <zeref> tried that
[21:31] <magespawn> hmmm
[21:31] <magespawn> maybe you have to tell the router which dns to use
[21:32] <zeref> busy reading on that
[21:34] <magespawn> if you do that and the config on your server is wrong it dns and hostnames will not resolve
[21:34] <magespawn> could be fun
[21:37] <magespawn> i have to go sleep unfortnately, i will be in, in the morning, let me know how it goes, will help if i can
[21:37] <magespawn> good  night all