[06:16] morning [06:45] morning superfly HawkiesZA inetpro and others [06:47] Morning Kilos! How're you? [06:47] good ty HawkiesZA and you? [06:48] you are on our mailing list hey? [06:48] I am, but get the digest version [06:49] whatever that might be [06:50] i use evolution client and replied yesterday with the option to list which i dont normally do and dunno if it got there [06:50] maybe the fly knows [06:52] Fly says it did get there [06:52] cool tell him ty [06:53] i see today telkom is gonna supply 100mb/s fibre to the home [06:54] they aint even got wires to here anymore the swines [06:54] Do the wires get stolen the whole time? [06:54] ya [06:54] after 5th time time refused to replace [06:55] they [06:55] Fibre is gonna get stolen too because people will think it's copper :/ [06:55] eish and its most likely expensive stuff [06:56] Yep [06:56] Well, maybe it'll only happen once [06:56] haha [06:57] but adding the cost of just having a telkom phone at home before you even get broadband adds up to more than jut getting a 2+1 bundle on mobile [07:19] yo zeref [07:46] good morning all [07:46] hi magespawn [07:47] hey Kilos [07:47] haai Vince-0 [07:48] Kilos i as just reading last nights conversation [07:48] s/as/was [07:49] hehe [07:49] now your eyes tired [07:49] yup [07:49] sorry [07:50] the benefit of using the dongle in the router is that your pc does not have to be on for the tablet to use the internet [07:52] ah [07:52] how far do these routers send the wifi signal [07:52] Quite far [07:53] Depends on the router though [07:53] http://www.billion.com/product/3g/BiPAC-7300NX-3G-Wireless-N-ADSL2-Firewall-Router.html [07:54] i dont see in specs where it tells you [07:54] i dont even know if that is a good one or not [07:55] and the user manual page dont open [07:55] grrr [07:56] never smooth sailing [07:59] about 100m line of sight Kilos, under optimum conditions [07:59] ty magespawn [08:00] a lot of that depends on evironmental factors though [08:01] thats fine for here dont want neighbours trying to get in [08:01] they rich business peeps and rich peeps always look for ways to cut costs [08:02] and signal behaves strange sometimes [08:03] hehe all this schlep for a tablet [08:06] oh well 12.04 is so stable i spose one needs other distractions [08:09] routers can give a few of those [08:09] oh magespawn sis at wimpy with tablet but got a prob i used the & in her mail password and she can find it on that keyboard [08:10] always something hey [08:10] there is usually an alt key, looks like a up arrow on the right hand side i think [08:11] will that open more stuffs [08:11] or says Alt on it [08:11] hi psy [08:12] hi Kilos [08:12] * HawkiesZA does Gangnam style dance [08:12] lol she says tab aint got alt key [08:12] hehe [08:12] or a key with 12# on it, that brings up more keys [08:14] she says no [08:14] which tablet has she got? [08:16] does it have a full keyboard like a pc, or is it one with less keys? [08:16] etab 0507 by blaupunkt [08:16] you gotta do something to make numbers appear [08:19] hello magespawn [08:19] hello HawkiesZA [08:19] hi psyatw [08:19] on mine there is an up arrow on the right hand side [08:20] mine has a ?123 on the left hand side [08:27] i changed her addy to no uppercase stuffs and she is in [08:27] ty guys [08:29] pity peeps dont standardise basi stuffs like keyboards [08:29] basic [08:30] like with cells everyone has a different charger hole [08:30] can tablets do irc [08:31] and pidgin [08:34] they can do irc, not sure about pidgin [08:34] ah [08:39] ah they can do mxit, shell be happy [08:40] she'll === Spaceghost is now known as Guest13974 [08:46] gotta go out bbl [08:46] ok go safe [08:50] good morning [08:50] Maaz: coffee on [08:50] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [08:50] hi charl [08:50] hi Kilos [08:50] Maaz, coffee please [08:50] Kilos: Sure [08:50] how's it going [08:51] good ty and you? [08:53] i'm doing well thanks [08:54] Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos! [08:54] Maaz, danke [08:54] Bitteschön [08:56] Maaz: thank you [08:56] charl: No problem [09:06] good morning charl [09:07] oh my did i say hi psyatw [09:07] sorry [09:07] oh ya we did greet [09:08] im looking if one can install android as the OS on a desktop [09:09] i think a saw something like that on a netbook a few years back [09:10] i see they making miipc but just want the actual OS for a desktop [09:11] http://www.android-x86.org/ [09:11] then sis can let the pc and tablet get her up to date with what goes where [09:11] ty tonberryE352 [09:13] will see when i can stay up to use nightsurfer data [09:23] hi Kilos [09:23] hi my fly === Guest13974 is now known as Spaceghost [10:05] hi psyatw [10:06] Kilos. yes, you did [10:07] hrm [10:07] Im looking for a developer [10:07] hi Symmetria [10:07] someone good in perl or one of the other languages that can process text config files and produce me certain reports [10:08] and someone who is interested in 3 or 4 weeks of hard work with a very nice payday attached [10:08] ;p [10:08] :) lo charl [10:08] so if anyone knows anyone let me know [10:08] python is good for that type of tasks, and unlike perl, it has a nice readable syntax :) [10:09] (oh, and its pretty critical that the person have at least some understanding of networking, if not a very in depth knowledge of it) [10:09] charl, would be happy with a python developer as well, I need the output, what language its written in [10:09] I dont care :) [10:09] for all i care, it could be written in visual basic ;p [10:09] ouch :D [10:10] if i still worked freelance i would have been interested [10:10] but i have a full time job now so i can't pick up massive quantity of work [10:10] only small things i can do after hours in my own time [10:10] well, if ya know anyone, I have? a good coupla thousand dollars I can part with on this [10:11] (dependant on what the project ends up looking like, this could end up being worth 20 thousand dollars or something to someone) [10:11] that's not bad, are you looking for someone to work on it full time? 40 hours per week for a month? [10:12] any preference on where they are based? must be in .za? [10:17] hi neo31 [10:17] hi Kilos :) [10:17] hi neo31 [10:18] hi charl :) [10:18] :-) :-) :) [10:19] thats to make up for smileys i naver use [10:19] lol Kilos [10:19] never either [10:21] lunch time, bbl [11:07] charl, dont care where they are based [11:07] and time, well, I need them to look at the project and tell me how much time they need [11:08] the basic thing here is that we get what we need at the end of the day, the rest is all immaterial other than that this is really urgent [11:54] Symmetria: i sent the above log to some developers i know, if they are interested i will pass them through [11:55] Symmetria: i could take something on if it isn't too much work but if it's a lot of work there is no point because i need to do it after hours [11:58] hi trender [11:58] afternoon charl [12:24] afternoon all [12:24] Kilos you around? [12:25] wb magespawn [12:25] ty found this http://www.bhphotovideo.com/indepth/computers/buying-guides/wi-fi-routers.htm [12:25] has some info about wifi etc [12:26] ty [12:27] it looks like there are some limitations to the modem you can use directly with the router [12:34] hi magespawn [12:37] hey charl [12:38] Symmetria: maybe have a look at one of those freelance websites? [12:47] bbl [13:32] good afternoon [13:32] hi Kilos, kom jy reg oom? [13:33] do we have anyone running their Ubuntu systems on Dell servers? [13:34] not I [13:34] * inetpro has an issue with a R710 [13:35] when booting up get the following error: [13:35] your battery is either charging, bad or missing, and you have VDs configured [13:35] for write-back mode. Because the batteryis not currently usable, these VDs [13:35] wil actually run in write-through mode untilthe battery is fully charged or [13:35] replaced if it is bad or missing. [13:35] ... [13:35] there's more? [13:35] replace the batteries? [13:36] yeah, i don't see the ubuntu-related part :) [13:36] I swapped it out with another non-critical server [13:36] what I want to know,... [13:37] how would one detect this kind of problem on a running server [13:37] ah [13:37] die ding het nou net gekom inetpro [13:37] pester dell until they release a tool? [13:37] moet eers help met ander goed [13:37] you'd need to try and get the utility for the RAID card to run under ubuntu [13:38] tonberryE352: you have someone I can talk to at Dell? [13:39] no [13:39] :-) [13:39] we use IBM stuff here, they use IBM-branded LSI RAID hardware and we were able to get the LSI MegaRAID util running [13:39] aren't they supposed to have good support or something [13:39] what raid card is it? [13:40] tonberryE352: We'll try to log a call and I'll take it from there, was just hoping someone here will perhaps have a quick answer for me [13:40] ThatGraemeGuy: I assume it's Perc 6 [13:41] ah no, sorry, playing with an old server is the limit of my experience [13:41] * inetpro interrogating dmidecode to find out [13:42] hmm.... nothing in there [13:42] inetpro: not familiar with Dell, but it seems to be a rebranded LSI, just like IBM does with their stuff [13:42] inetpro: http://pookey.co.uk/wordpress/archives/46-dell-perc-6i-and-raid-monitoring [13:43] also http://serverfault.com/a/261117/4487, which is IBM-related, but may help too [13:55] methinks inetpro is suffering terrible headaches. the kind only LSI's MegaCLI can bring about :-p [14:03] I think openIPMI can report that stuff [14:06] ThatGraemeGuy: what bugs me is that they keep changing these things all the time [14:06] and one group of developers seems very pro open source while the next doesn't seem to have a clue what the previous group has done [14:08] who is "they"? [14:14] ThatGraemeGuy: good question [14:15] not sure I know the answer to that :-) [14:16] you lost me :-/ [14:16] it bugs you that "they" keep changing "things" all the time [14:16] who and what things? [14:17] I mean the people at Dell [14:17] ah [14:19] ThatGraemeGuy: but thanks for those links, looks like something I need to go through in more detail [14:19] no worries [14:19] i also dread every time new models come along [14:20] last year we got new IBM DS3500 storage arrays, and it took me more than a week of trial and error and tweaking to get the multipath.conf settings just right :-/ [14:21] and then when its time for the new LTS you start playing the "hold thumbs and hope this still works" for all those weird tweaks [14:21] exactly [14:22] i still hope that one day ubuntu will enjoy the support that redhat/sles have from the vendors [14:28] nuwe goed wat so pla inetpro ? [14:39] * Kilos cries [14:39] Maaz, is http://support.billion.com/_Internet/usermanual/BiPAC7300N_UMEN.zip down [14:39] Kilos: Yes, http://support.billion.com/_Internet/usermanual/BiPAC7300N_UMEN.zip is down (Server is not responding) [14:52] can one of you look at the mail from johan about the vodacom connection. i think he has to use something different to vodacom for his service provider [14:53] i have no idea what it could be [14:54] 8ta installed here and showed in nm as 8.ta and i had to remove the . and just use 8ta in the script but have no idea what the vodacom would be [14:54] please [14:56] maybe vodacom instead of vodacom but i dont wanna mail try this or that if its wrong [14:57] g'day All [14:57] hi N8Wulf [14:59] Grrr...! Stupid 3G [15:00] whats up N8Wulf [15:00] oh you out inned [15:01] I made a booboo... I started with my media server HDD setups and part of it is that I wanna change the NTFS to Ext4 [15:01] I made a mistake though [15:01] terminal [15:02] mkdir Temp [15:02] mv /* Temp [15:03] and that ended up moving everything on / into one file called Temp [15:03] is there a way to retrieve or Undo this mess I created? [15:04] Please Mr Kilos [15:04] oh my [15:05] whew the clever guys need to help here [15:06] what if you reverse the command [15:06] like mv Temp / [15:06] better wait for expert help [15:09] and im just Kilos Mr died a while ago [15:09] ThatGraemeGuy, hi busy? [15:13] hey, what's up [15:14] hrmmmm [15:14] see N8Wulf_ prob just above please [15:14] need to reverse that command [15:14] if those are the exact commands, then you couldn't have moved everything into a file called Temp, as you already have a directory called Temp [15:14] you can't have a file and directory with the same name [15:15] well... the full run down is actually the following. I mounted sdb1 to /dev/files/disk1 [15:16] then in there I've got a number of folders I wanted to sort out and then move into one communal folder called "new" [15:16] one of my folders is called Comedy [15:17] and then of course series and movies [15:17] I wanted to move these 3 folders into "new" and then only move new to my External HDD [15:18] so stupid, while also as sudo user, typed: [15:18] mv /* new [15:18] voila... Gone is my whole system into a new Raw file called new [15:19] so "new" didn't exist as a directory [15:19] it stopped when it got to the point where documents where gonna start overwriting themselves [15:19] it did yes [15:19] then all that stuff was moved into the directory [15:19] but instead of all moving into new/ it moved into new [15:20] mmm [15:20] hold on [15:23] Thank you [15:29] http://slexy.org/view/s21tdnJSyO [15:29] pretend "fakeroot" in my example is "/" on your system [15:29] as you can see, it doesn't work the way you describe [15:31] even if i don't create "new" beforehand, i get "mv: target ‘new’ is not a directory" [15:31] what version of ubuntu are you using? [15:32] hes offline ThatGraemeGuy [15:32] playing in / is dangerous [15:34] N8Wulf, even if i don't create "new" beforehand, i get "mv: target ‘new’ is not a directory" [15:34] what version of ubuntu are you using? [15:34] http://slexy.org/view/s21tdnJSyO [15:37] I,m on server 12.04 [15:38] N8Wulf_, did you look at the slexy link [15:38] sorry, my 3G DC'd [15:39] didn't see that until now, will check it out quickly [15:39] np [15:40] N8Wulf_: sorry, i can't make mine do that [15:41] if the dir "new" exists, everything moves into it, if it doesn't exist, i get "mv: target ‘new’ is not a directory" [15:41] just tried it on a 12.04 box as root [15:41] brb... 4 yr old kiddie and EyePet on PS3 is bugging me, just have to go see her Pet quickly [15:41] works exactly like my paste [15:43] I'm back... [15:45] ok, I think what I'll try and do seeing as I ended up moving my Ubuntu system which will be under / into the folder called /dev/files/drive1/new (according to that post in Slinky), and my system can no longer boot up, it's stuck at the Grub select screen... [15:45] eish [15:46] 2 tips [15:46] I will boot quickly with a Live DVD and then try move the contents from above folder structure then back to where it's supposed to be... [15:46] less sudo is good for you :-) [15:46] lol [15:46] hehe [15:46] try a text-based filemanager like midnight commander, it's less prone to that sort of "oops" [15:47] but yeah, at this stage a reinstall might be your only hope [15:47] was busy installing Apps and updating etc, then I went and moved that... (cry... sob.... blush) [15:47] was the target dir ntfs? [15:47] jip, ntfs [15:47] forgot about MC [15:48] you'll probably need to reinstall then, almost certainly your permissions will be completely wrong even if you do manage to move the stuff back [15:48] makes sense [15:48] damn! [15:48] whole day again [15:49] server setup [15:49] we've all been there :) [15:49] updating... bla bla bla. Lucky it's holidays for me [15:49] I appreciate your assistance once again Guys [15:50] no worries :-) [15:50] Good to know it's still there somewhere, I just need to access it from a working OS like a Live DVD. Viva Linux [15:51] Me Wifey is calling for some Irish Coffee... Coffee anyone? [15:51] lol [15:51] irish coffee mmmmmmmmm [15:52] but you can hold the coffee, thanks :P [15:54] thanks ThatGraemeGuy [15:55] I got some Mugg & Bean Espresso beans yesterday, gonna ground fresh now... [16:00] N8Wulf_, if you boot from dvd you can try move all the downloaded packages to somewhere from /var/cache/apt/archives/ [16:01] i use rsync -av /var/cache/apt/archives/ /media/storage/packsp/ [16:02] then after new install reverse the command and apt-get update and you dont need to download everything when upgrading [16:02] much faster [16:03] and saves data [16:03] hi Vince-0 [16:04] even faster if you do it to a second drive in the pc [16:19] im gonna try 3g in the router [16:19] wbb [16:31] ThatGraemeGuy: FYI: I found the following nice resource https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2011-March/240968.html [16:33] Heyo [16:34] installed Dell OpenManage 7.1 and am running the DSM SA Connection Service [16:35] quite nifty [16:35] yo plustwo you here? [16:35] you still at work inetpro ? [16:35] Kilos: yep, but on me way out [16:35] np just asked [16:36] its cold out there go safe inetpro [16:36] Kilos: ta [16:36] hi psychicist [16:36] hi Kilos [16:36] hi inetpro [16:47] Kilos: where are you based again? [16:47] west of pta Superhuman [16:48] outside of pta, orcwestern part of pta? [16:48] 8or western [16:48] outside along van der hoff on the road to brits [16:49] ah ok. [16:49] * Superhuman is based in Centurion [16:49] aha [16:49] just as cold [16:50] yeah, we have bad chill factor here, becausevwe're close to rietvlei dam. extra cold. [16:51] eish same as here we are down near a spruit as well [16:51] as you walk towards it you feel the temp dropping [16:53] yeah. The temp is easily 2deg cooler if you go 500m closer to the dam. [17:01] Kilos: do you perhaps know what type of bot Maaz is? eggdrop? [17:23] Superhuman, can you remember what you said yesterday about letting the wifi router share my 3g? [17:23] or did you google for the info [17:28] hi nlsthzn all good? [17:29] Uncle Kilos , all good thanks and with you? [17:29] good ty [17:29] but your heat aint arrived yet [17:29] cool :) [17:29] how did the switch to KDE go? [17:30] i use and enjoy both [17:30] dont like any of the x jobs though [17:31] x jobs? [17:31] xubuntu crunchbang etc [17:32] oh xfce? [17:32] ya [17:33] lol, guess what I just installed and am using right now :p [17:33] what [17:33] xfce? [17:36] xubuntu :p [17:36] rofl [17:37] i think nuvolari also uses it but i dont fancy it much [17:37] but comes with xchat so thats 1 + [17:38] I decided on it because it is pretty, customizable, fast and yes all the apps I want to use look and work correctly :p [17:38] hehe [17:39] i couldnt get sound in xchat i think [17:40] that sucks [17:40] I can't get sound in xchat yet... [17:40] ya [17:40] but I think it is the same issue I had in ubuntu so I still have some tricks to pull out :p [17:40] i even tried installing mplayer like you do [17:41] haha [17:41] I've been around the block on all... LXDE, XFCE, Gnome 2 & 3, Unity, E16 & 17 and I must say, I'm enjoying kubuntu most so far [17:41] but one the the x jobs are faster [17:42] one thing [17:42] Kilos: because it's bare minimum, that is why [17:42] ah [17:42] kubuntu is a decent and complete usable system [17:43] the router works but dont see the arab modem [17:43] grrr [17:43] ai! [17:43] lol [17:44] * inetpro was afraid that would be the case [17:44] they got no TcT in their supported modems [17:44] so now i gotta work out how to share again [17:45] * inetpro wbbl [17:45] tried info from one sight with masquerading in but dont work [17:46] hiya inetpro [17:47] he gone to fill belly now [17:48] ohya nlsthzn im tempted to try an android os here [17:49]