| knome | elfy, you had questions about testcases? | 08:07 |
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| elfy | I did - how do we add things we want testing to the tracker - couldn't see how to do that | 08:07 |
| knome | elfy, so have you got those testcases merged to the main branch? | 08:08 |
| elfy | there are a bunch merged yep | 08:08 |
| knome | i assume we're talking about package tests? | 08:09 |
| elfy | yep | 08:09 |
| elfy | we've got 13 done and 2 pending | 08:10 |
| knome | cool | 08:10 |
| knome | ok, first login to packages.qa.ubuntu.com | 08:11 |
| elfy | yep | 08:11 |
| knome | do you see an administration -link on the left? | 08:12 |
| elfy | yep | 08:12 |
| knome | great, click that | 08:12 |
| elfy | done | 08:12 |
| knome | then if you click "Testcases", you will see all the testcases in the tracker | 08:12 |
| knome | and as you can see, there are already several testcases for xfce there :) | 08:13 |
| elfy | yep :) | 08:13 |
| knome | now we need to create a testsuite for them | 08:13 |
| knome | so click on testsuites | 08:13 |
| elfy | done | 08:13 |
| knome | then click add a testsuite | 08:13 |
| knome | now we need to think what we want | 08:13 |
| elfy | done | 08:13 |
| knome | and what's ok for nick | 08:14 |
| knome | i would imagine it would be optimal for both sides if we had on "Xfce" -testsuite and the rest as single applications | 08:14 |
| elfy | like exo helper for instance | 08:14 |
| knome | because we don't want to overcrowd the interface | 08:14 |
| knome | you can go ahead and create a testsuite called Xfce | 08:15 |
| elfy | oh right - like Xubuntu Packages - then have package tests inside that? | 08:15 |
| knome | yes | 08:15 |
| knome | currently many of the testsuites only have one test | 08:15 |
| knome | but i think it would make more sense if we tried to gather some of the tests at least | 08:15 |
| elfy | aah - now I created I can see the rest - makes sense now :) | 08:16 |
| knome | and i think xfce is the natural first choice | 08:16 |
| elfy | yea agreed | 08:16 |
| knome | yeah, so now simply add testcases to the testsuite | 08:16 |
| elfy | we could use that for kbd settings/exo helper etc | 08:16 |
| knome | and select a status | 08:16 |
| elfy | done - leave weight? | 08:17 |
| knome | that's fine unless you want to sort non-alphabetically | 08:17 |
| elfy | ok | 08:17 |
| knome | when you're done, i think you need to ping balloons to enable the testsuite | 08:18 |
| knome | so that it's available for testers | 08:18 |
| elfy | ok - thanks knome | 08:18 |
| knome | after it's published, any changes to the testsuite are updated immediately on the tracker as well | 08:18 |
| knome | np :) | 08:18 |
| elfy | right | 08:18 |
| elfy | so - here in my head I think we'd want to have a few testsuites so they don't get too overloaded - maybe xfce office / xfce media / xfce internet sort of thing ? | 08:19 |
| knome | hmm, i mean, there's no such thing as "xfce office", right? | 08:20 |
| Noskcaj | +1 to that idea. i suggest "settings" "office" "multimedia" other" | 08:20 |
| elfy | knome: yea - just as a general thing - keep abiword in seperate place to xchat | 08:21 |
| knome | for abiword and xchat, we should just have abiword and xchat testsuites | 08:21 |
| elfy | or we have a loooooooooong testsuite - which will just get confusing | 08:21 |
| elfy | ok | 08:21 |
| knome | for the xfce testsuite i'd only add the testcases that come from the xfce core | 08:22 |
| Noskcaj | have a cover everything testsuite too, stuff can go in more than one | 08:22 |
| knome | like the different settings manager stuff and that | 08:22 |
| elfy | knome: +1 to that | 08:22 |
| elfy | ok - well that's enough to be getting on with :) | 08:22 |
| knome | Noskcaj, i'm not completely sure if that gives us the results we want though; while the testcases show bugs that have appeared in other testsuites with that testcase, the results aren't combined | 08:23 |
| knome | Noskcaj, eg. there's no way to know offhand how many times a single testcase is ran; you have to go and count the results from the different testsuites | 08:23 |
| Noskcaj | knome, it wouldn't be an active one, just a way to monitor what testcases are made | 08:25 |
| knome | Noskcaj, if it isn't an actve one, what's the point? we can track that in the wiki or something else less bureaucratic :) | 08:26 |
| Noskcaj | good point | 08:26 |
| knome | elfy, i'm adding some testases to the suite | 08:28 |
| elfy | ok | 08:28 |
| elfy | I added some more | 08:28 |
| knome | good good :) | 08:28 |
| elfy | I did a gnumeric one now - there's one test at the moment, I'm still working on a more advanced testcase for it | 08:33 |
| knome | mhm | 08:35 |
| elfy | bbl | 08:37 |
| knome | hf | 08:39 |
| lderan | is there anything left to change on the meeting bot knome? Have poked alanbell to see if theres anything that needs to be redone on the private voting. | 08:44 |
| knome | did we already link the vote results to the minute when the voting started on the logs? | 08:45 |
| knome | apart from that, i can't think of anything | 08:45 |
| lderan | don't think thats been done, shall do it :P | 08:46 |
| knome | ta | 08:46 |
| lderan | anything else i can lend a hand with, don't mind if its not coding related. | 08:48 |
| knome | well you could talk with elfy about the autopilot tests | 08:48 |
| knome | and if it's not something we can push forward now, then the regular manual testcases | 08:49 |
| lderan | sounds good | 08:50 |
| lderan | anything to help :) | 09:16 |
| elfy | either of those would :) | 09:16 |
| lderan | \o/ | 09:18 |
| lderan | will make a start on the autopilot tests this evening then | 09:18 |
| elfy | more efficient use of your time :) | 09:20 |
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| TDO|Aquina | hy | 20:08 |
| TDO|Aquina | where is charlie? | 20:11 |
| TDO|Aquina | Hey Mike kommst Du aus Frankfurt? | 20:15 |
| pleia2 | TDO|Aquina: he left the project over a year ago | 20:25 |
| TDO|Aquina | Huh? Really? How is he doing, I mean in the light of his health issues? Not so good? Was that the reason? | 20:40 |
| TDO|Aquina | We did some ISO testing together and were chatting every now and then but I was away too often throughout the last two years. | 20:41 |
| TDO|Aquina | :-( | 20:41 |
| knome | he left the ubuntu projects for good because he couldn't agree with some of the decisions made | 20:41 |
| TDO|Aquina | Whish I could have said goodbye! *sigh* | 20:41 |
| knome | the last time i talked to him he said he's doing fine, as usual | 20:41 |
| TDO|Aquina | Oh. | 20:42 |
| TDO|Aquina | O.k. thank you for telling me. :-] | 20:42 |
| TDO|Aquina | Can you tell about the reason or is it confidential somehow? | 20:42 |
| knome | i can't because i'm not completely aware of all the facts | 20:43 |
| knome | charlie is relatively active on G+ aiui | 20:43 |
| knome | so if you want to catch him... | 20:43 |
| TDO|Aquina | G+ a channel here in freenode? | 20:44 |
| TDO|Aquina | join #G+ | 20:44 |
| TDO|Aquina | ? | 20:45 |
| knome | google plus, that is | 20:46 |
| TDO|Aquina | kk, thx | 20:50 |
| genii | I guess just #google | 21:00 |
| pleia2 | knome, elfy - is this for blog post or mailing list? | 21:18 |
| elfy | bit of both | 21:18 |
| elfy | or anywhere we can put it that helps | 21:19 |
| knome | i am thinking mailing list | 21:20 |
| pleia2 | k :) | 21:20 |
| knome | isn't that what we did with the docs? | 21:20 |
| elfy | yea | 21:20 |
| knome | :) | 21:20 |
| pleia2 | well, we put out a call for testing on the blog once | 21:20 |
| knome | yeah, but that didn't work, did it? | 21:21 |
| pleia2 | we had folks using it and posting info on g+ for a while | 21:21 |
| knome | boooo | 21:21 |
| pleia2 | every little bit helps :) | 21:21 |
| knome | well G+ "reporting" is meh | 21:22 |
| pleia2 | we just point them in the right direction and get bugs submitted that way | 21:22 |
| pleia2 | it's better than nothing | 21:22 |
| knome | i suppose.. | 21:22 |
| pleia2 | we don't have to put it on the website to share it on g+ etc of course (can just share archive link), I was just asking | 21:22 |
| knome | sure | 21:23 |
| knome | i was thinking we could definitely share the ML archive link in social media | 21:23 |
| knome | and stuf... | 21:23 |
| knome | +f | 21:23 |
| pleia2 | k | 21:23 |
| elfy | knome: what did you mean? "-> what do the testcases need to actually test? " | 21:26 |
| knome | i mean | 21:28 |
| knome | we're not describing what the contributors need to do... | 21:28 |
| elfy | oic | 21:29 |
| elfy | not sure what to put for the autopilot stuff tbh | 21:35 |
| knome | me neither | 21:36 |
| elfy | problem for me is I have no idea how to even do the things - nor how much that it could do - would abiword one - open, create a doc, type, save, close for instance ... | 21:39 |
| elfy | lderan: you about? ^^ | 21:39 |
| lderan | elfy, yeah :D | 21:40 |
| elfy | rowboatnick: ^^ | 21:40 |
| elfy | lderan: so you have any idea how much autopilot will gain us in app testing at all ? | 21:40 |
| lderan | mmmm | 21:41 |
| lderan | it makes sense for the more trival things like open abiword, type, save and check to see if the file exists | 21:42 |
| elfy | ok | 21:42 |
| lderan | tho it has a small issue with abiword, that when you open it you have to move the mouse cursor onto it before it lets you type anything :P | 21:46 |
| elfy | right - but the main thing is that while for a manual testcase you don't need to be overly technical - you'd have trouble with autopilot if you were like me | 21:47 |
| elfy | and it has issues with xubuntu apps | 21:47 |
| elfy | knome: I wonder if we'd be better to calling for manual help now - then autopilot in a few weeks | 21:48 |
| elfy | or playing down the urgency for autopilot tests | 21:48 |
| knome | elfy, that sounds good. | 21:50 |
| elfy | which? | 21:50 |
| elfy | I'd prefer I think to ask now - but play down the urgency | 21:50 |
| knome | yup, that | 21:50 |
| elfy | lderan: and it's python? | 21:51 |
| knome | elfy, yes | 21:52 |
| lderan | yup python | 21:52 |
| elfy | thought so - there's only so many Hello Worlds you can do before they all seem the same ... | 21:52 |
| elfy | lderan: if you have some idea of what to write here http://pad.ubuntu.com/MoWv1NaHMR for autopilot knock yourself out :) | 21:53 |
| lderan | shall take a look :) | 21:54 |
| elfy | thanks :) | 21:54 |
| ochosi | micahg: i just updated xubuntu-artwork with needed stuff for saucy, so that's totally pushable | 22:06 |
| elfy | knome: not sure I can add much more atm | 22:06 |
| elfy | lderan: thanks for looking at that for us | 22:06 |
| elfy | and I added a link at the bottom if it's any use to the a/p stuff | 22:07 |
| lderan | yup | 22:07 |
| lderan | it is :) | 22:07 |
| elfy | I have actually read these things - but they are all stuck in the wall just above my head ... | 22:08 |
| knome | elfy, let's sleep on it | 22:08 |
| elfy | yep - I'll have a look with the first pot of tea | 22:08 |
| knome | :) | 22:09 |
| elfy | ok - I'm off - thanks everyone and good night | 22:10 |
| knome | nighty! | 22:10 |
| lderan | good night elfy :) | 22:10 |
| knome | see you all later -> | 23:03 |
| GridCube | bye | 23:04 |
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