[08:07] elfy, you had questions about testcases? [08:07] I did - how do we add things we want testing to the tracker - couldn't see how to do that [08:08] elfy, so have you got those testcases merged to the main branch? [08:08] there are a bunch merged yep [08:09] i assume we're talking about package tests? [08:09] yep [08:10] we've got 13 done and 2 pending [08:10] cool [08:11] ok, first login to packages.qa.ubuntu.com [08:11] yep [08:12] do you see an administration -link on the left? [08:12] yep [08:12] great, click that [08:12] done [08:12] then if you click "Testcases", you will see all the testcases in the tracker [08:13] and as you can see, there are already several testcases for xfce there :) [08:13] yep :) [08:13] now we need to create a testsuite for them [08:13] so click on testsuites [08:13] done [08:13] then click add a testsuite [08:13] now we need to think what we want [08:13] done [08:14] and what's ok for nick [08:14] i would imagine it would be optimal for both sides if we had on "Xfce" -testsuite and the rest as single applications [08:14] like exo helper for instance [08:14] because we don't want to overcrowd the interface [08:15] you can go ahead and create a testsuite called Xfce [08:15] oh right - like Xubuntu Packages - then have package tests inside that? [08:15] yes [08:15] currently many of the testsuites only have one test [08:15] but i think it would make more sense if we tried to gather some of the tests at least [08:16] aah - now I created I can see the rest - makes sense now :) [08:16] and i think xfce is the natural first choice [08:16] yea agreed [08:16] yeah, so now simply add testcases to the testsuite [08:16] we could use that for kbd settings/exo helper etc [08:16] and select a status [08:17] done - leave weight? [08:17] that's fine unless you want to sort non-alphabetically [08:17] ok [08:18] when you're done, i think you need to ping balloons to enable the testsuite [08:18] so that it's available for testers [08:18] ok - thanks knome [08:18] after it's published, any changes to the testsuite are updated immediately on the tracker as well [08:18] np :) [08:18] right [08:19] so - here in my head I think we'd want to have a few testsuites so they don't get too overloaded - maybe xfce office / xfce media / xfce internet sort of thing ? [08:20] hmm, i mean, there's no such thing as "xfce office", right? [08:20] +1 to that idea. i suggest "settings" "office" "multimedia" other" [08:21] knome: yea - just as a general thing - keep abiword in seperate place to xchat [08:21] for abiword and xchat, we should just have abiword and xchat testsuites [08:21] or we have a loooooooooong testsuite - which will just get confusing [08:21] ok [08:22] for the xfce testsuite i'd only add the testcases that come from the xfce core [08:22] have a cover everything testsuite too, stuff can go in more than one [08:22] like the different settings manager stuff and that [08:22] knome: +1 to that [08:22] ok - well that's enough to be getting on with :) [08:23] Noskcaj, i'm not completely sure if that gives us the results we want though; while the testcases show bugs that have appeared in other testsuites with that testcase, the results aren't combined [08:23] Noskcaj, eg. there's no way to know offhand how many times a single testcase is ran; you have to go and count the results from the different testsuites [08:25] knome, it wouldn't be an active one, just a way to monitor what testcases are made [08:26] Noskcaj, if it isn't an actve one, what's the point? we can track that in the wiki or something else less bureaucratic :) [08:26] good point [08:28] elfy, i'm adding some testases to the suite [08:28] ok [08:28] I added some more [08:28] good good :) [08:33] I did a gnumeric one now - there's one test at the moment, I'm still working on a more advanced testcase for it [08:35] mhm [08:37] bbl [08:39] hf [08:44] is there anything left to change on the meeting bot knome? Have poked alanbell to see if theres anything that needs to be redone on the private voting. [08:45] did we already link the vote results to the minute when the voting started on the logs? [08:45] apart from that, i can't think of anything [08:46] don't think thats been done, shall do it :P [08:46] ta [08:48] anything else i can lend a hand with, don't mind if its not coding related. [08:48] well you could talk with elfy about the autopilot tests [08:49] and if it's not something we can push forward now, then the regular manual testcases [08:50] sounds good [09:16] anything to help :) [09:16] either of those would :) [09:18] \o/ [09:18] will make a start on the autopilot tests this evening then [09:20] more efficient use of your time :) === smartboyhw_ is now known as smartboyhw [20:08] hy [20:11] where is charlie? [20:15] Hey Mike kommst Du aus Frankfurt? [20:25] TDO|Aquina: he left the project over a year ago [20:40] Huh? Really? How is he doing, I mean in the light of his health issues? Not so good? Was that the reason? [20:41] We did some ISO testing together and were chatting every now and then but I was away too often throughout the last two years. [20:41] :-( [20:41] he left the ubuntu projects for good because he couldn't agree with some of the decisions made [20:41] Whish I could have said goodbye! *sigh* [20:41] the last time i talked to him he said he's doing fine, as usual [20:42] Oh. [20:42] O.k. thank you for telling me. :-] [20:42] Can you tell about the reason or is it confidential somehow? [20:43] i can't because i'm not completely aware of all the facts [20:43] charlie is relatively active on G+ aiui [20:43] so if you want to catch him... [20:44] G+ a channel here in freenode? [20:44] join #G+ [20:45] ? [20:46] google plus, that is [20:50] kk, thx [21:00] I guess just #google [21:18] knome, elfy - is this for blog post or mailing list? [21:18] bit of both [21:19] or anywhere we can put it that helps [21:20] i am thinking mailing list [21:20] k :) [21:20] isn't that what we did with the docs? [21:20] yea [21:20] :) [21:20] well, we put out a call for testing on the blog once [21:21] yeah, but that didn't work, did it? [21:21] we had folks using it and posting info on g+ for a while [21:21] boooo [21:21] every little bit helps :) [21:22] well G+ "reporting" is meh [21:22] we just point them in the right direction and get bugs submitted that way [21:22] it's better than nothing [21:22] i suppose.. [21:22] we don't have to put it on the website to share it on g+ etc of course (can just share archive link), I was just asking [21:23] sure [21:23] i was thinking we could definitely share the ML archive link in social media [21:23] and stuf... [21:23] +f [21:23] k [21:26] knome: what did you mean? "-> what do the testcases need to actually test? " [21:28] i mean [21:28] we're not describing what the contributors need to do... [21:29] oic [21:35] not sure what to put for the autopilot stuff tbh [21:36] me neither [21:39] problem for me is I have no idea how to even do the things - nor how much that it could do - would abiword one - open, create a doc, type, save, close for instance ... [21:39] lderan: you about? ^^ [21:40] elfy, yeah :D [21:40] rowboatnick: ^^ [21:40] lderan: so you have any idea how much autopilot will gain us in app testing at all ? [21:41] mmmm [21:42] it makes sense for the more trival things like open abiword, type, save and check to see if the file exists [21:42] ok [21:46] tho it has a small issue with abiword, that when you open it you have to move the mouse cursor onto it before it lets you type anything :P [21:47] right - but the main thing is that while for a manual testcase you don't need to be overly technical - you'd have trouble with autopilot if you were like me [21:47] and it has issues with xubuntu apps [21:48] knome: I wonder if we'd be better to calling for manual help now - then autopilot in a few weeks [21:48] or playing down the urgency for autopilot tests [21:50] elfy, that sounds good. [21:50] which? [21:50] I'd prefer I think to ask now - but play down the urgency [21:50] yup, that [21:51] lderan: and it's python? [21:52] elfy, yes [21:52] yup python [21:52] thought so - there's only so many Hello Worlds you can do before they all seem the same ... [21:53] lderan: if you have some idea of what to write here http://pad.ubuntu.com/MoWv1NaHMR for autopilot knock yourself out :) [21:54] shall take a look :) [21:54] thanks :) [22:06] micahg: i just updated xubuntu-artwork with needed stuff for saucy, so that's totally pushable [22:06] knome: not sure I can add much more atm [22:06] lderan: thanks for looking at that for us [22:07] and I added a link at the bottom if it's any use to the a/p stuff [22:07] yup [22:07] it is :) [22:08] I have actually read these things - but they are all stuck in the wall just above my head ... [22:08] elfy, let's sleep on it [22:08] yep - I'll have a look with the first pot of tea [22:09] :) [22:10] ok - I'm off - thanks everyone and good night [22:10] nighty! [22:10] good night elfy :) [23:03] see you all later -> [23:04] bye