[08:07] <knome> elfy, you had questions about testcases?
[08:07] <elfy> I did - how do we add things we want testing to the tracker - couldn't see how to do that
[08:08] <knome> elfy, so have you got those testcases merged to the main branch?
[08:08] <elfy> there are a bunch merged yep
[08:09] <knome> i assume we're talking about package tests?
[08:09] <elfy> yep
[08:10] <elfy> we've got 13 done and 2 pending 
[08:10] <knome> cool
[08:11] <knome> ok, first login to packages.qa.ubuntu.com
[08:11] <elfy> yep
[08:12] <knome> do you see an administration -link on the left?
[08:12] <elfy> yep
[08:12] <knome> great, click that
[08:12] <elfy> done
[08:12] <knome> then if you click "Testcases", you will see all the testcases in the tracker
[08:13] <knome> and as you can see, there are already several testcases for xfce there :)
[08:13] <elfy> yep :)
[08:13] <knome> now we need to create a testsuite for them
[08:13] <knome> so click on testsuites
[08:13] <elfy> done 
[08:13] <knome> then click add a testsuite
[08:13] <knome> now we need to think what we want
[08:13] <elfy> done
[08:14] <knome> and what's ok for nick
[08:14] <knome> i would imagine it would be optimal for both sides if we had on "Xfce" -testsuite and the rest as single applications
[08:14] <elfy> like exo helper for instance
[08:14] <knome> because we don't want to overcrowd the interface
[08:15] <knome> you can go ahead and create a testsuite called Xfce
[08:15] <elfy> oh right - like Xubuntu Packages - then have package tests inside that?
[08:15] <knome> yes
[08:15] <knome> currently many of the testsuites only have one test
[08:15] <knome> but i think it would make more sense if we tried to gather some of the tests at least
[08:16] <elfy> aah - now I created I can see the rest - makes sense now :)
[08:16] <knome> and i think xfce is the natural first choice
[08:16] <elfy> yea agreed
[08:16] <knome> yeah, so now simply add testcases to the testsuite
[08:16] <elfy> we could use that for kbd settings/exo helper etc
[08:16] <knome> and select a status
[08:17] <elfy> done - leave weight? 
[08:17] <knome> that's fine unless you want to sort non-alphabetically
[08:17] <elfy> ok
[08:18] <knome> when you're done, i think you need to ping balloons to enable the testsuite
[08:18] <knome> so that it's available for testers
[08:18] <elfy> ok - thanks knome 
[08:18] <knome> after it's published, any changes to the testsuite are updated immediately on the tracker as well
[08:18] <knome> np :)
[08:18] <elfy> right
[08:19] <elfy> so - here in my head I think we'd want to have a few testsuites so they don't get too overloaded - maybe xfce office / xfce media / xfce internet sort of thing ?
[08:20] <knome> hmm, i mean, there's no such thing as "xfce office", right?
[08:20] <Noskcaj> +1 to that idea. i suggest "settings" "office" "multimedia" other"
[08:21] <elfy> knome: yea - just as a general thing - keep abiword in seperate place to xchat 
[08:21] <knome> for abiword and xchat, we should just have abiword and xchat testsuites
[08:21] <elfy> or we have a loooooooooong testsuite - which will just get confusing
[08:21] <elfy> ok
[08:22] <knome> for the xfce testsuite i'd only add the testcases that come from the xfce core
[08:22] <Noskcaj> have a cover everything testsuite too, stuff can go in more than one
[08:22] <knome> like the different settings manager stuff and that
[08:22] <elfy> knome: +1 to that
[08:22] <elfy> ok - well that's enough to be getting on with :)
[08:23] <knome> Noskcaj, i'm not completely sure if that gives us the results we want though; while the testcases show bugs that have appeared in other testsuites with that testcase, the results aren't combined
[08:23] <knome> Noskcaj, eg. there's no way to know offhand how many times a single testcase is ran; you have to go and count the results from the different testsuites
[08:25] <Noskcaj> knome, it wouldn't be an active one, just a way to monitor what testcases are made 
[08:26] <knome> Noskcaj, if it isn't an actve one, what's the point? we can track that in the wiki or something else less bureaucratic :)
[08:26] <Noskcaj> good point
[08:28] <knome> elfy, i'm adding some testases to the suite
[08:28] <elfy> ok
[08:28] <elfy> I added some more 
[08:28] <knome> good good :)
[08:33] <elfy> I did a gnumeric one now - there's one test at the moment, I'm still working on a more advanced testcase for it
[08:35] <knome> mhm
[08:37] <elfy> bbl 
[08:39] <knome> hf
[08:44] <lderan> is there anything left to change on the meeting bot knome? Have poked alanbell to see if theres anything that needs to be redone on the private voting. 
[08:45] <knome> did we already link the vote results to the minute when the voting started on the logs?
[08:45] <knome> apart from that, i can't think of anything
[08:46] <lderan> don't think thats been done, shall do it :P
[08:46] <knome> ta
[08:48] <lderan> anything else i can lend a hand with, don't mind if its not coding related.
[08:48] <knome> well you could talk with elfy about the autopilot tests
[08:49] <knome> and if it's not something we can push forward now, then the regular manual testcases
[08:50] <lderan> sounds good
[09:16] <lderan> anything to help :)
[09:16] <elfy> either of those would :)
[09:18] <lderan> \o/
[09:18] <lderan> will make a start on the autopilot tests this evening then
[09:20] <elfy> more efficient use of your time :)
[20:08] <TDO|Aquina> hy
[20:11] <TDO|Aquina> where is charlie?
[20:15] <TDO|Aquina> Hey Mike kommst Du aus Frankfurt?
[20:25] <pleia2> TDO|Aquina: he left the project over a year ago
[20:40] <TDO|Aquina> Huh? Really? How is he doing, I mean in the light of his health issues? Not so good? Was that the reason?
[20:41] <TDO|Aquina> We did some ISO testing together and were chatting every now and then but I was away too often throughout the last two years.
[20:41] <TDO|Aquina> :-(
[20:41] <knome> he left the ubuntu projects for good because he couldn't agree with some of the decisions made
[20:41] <TDO|Aquina> Whish I could have said goodbye! *sigh*
[20:41] <knome> the last time i talked to him he said he's doing fine, as usual
[20:42] <TDO|Aquina> Oh.
[20:42] <TDO|Aquina> O.k. thank you for telling me. :-]
[20:42] <TDO|Aquina> Can you tell about the reason or is it confidential somehow?
[20:43] <knome> i can't because i'm not completely aware of all the facts
[20:43] <knome> charlie is relatively active on G+ aiui
[20:43] <knome> so if you want to catch him...
[20:44] <TDO|Aquina> G+ a channel here in freenode?
[20:44] <TDO|Aquina> join #G+
[20:45] <TDO|Aquina> ?
[20:46] <knome> google plus, that is
[20:50] <TDO|Aquina> kk, thx
[21:00] <genii> I guess just #google
[21:18] <pleia2> knome, elfy - is this for blog post or mailing list?
[21:18] <elfy> bit of both
[21:19] <elfy> or anywhere we can put it that helps
[21:20] <knome> i am thinking mailing list
[21:20] <pleia2> k :)
[21:20] <knome> isn't that what we did with the docs?
[21:20] <elfy> yea
[21:20] <knome> :)
[21:20] <pleia2> well, we put out a call for testing on the blog once
[21:21] <knome> yeah, but that didn't work, did it?
[21:21] <pleia2> we had folks using it and posting info on g+ for a while
[21:21] <knome> boooo
[21:21] <pleia2> every little bit helps :)
[21:22] <knome> well G+ "reporting" is meh
[21:22] <pleia2> we just point them in the right direction and get bugs submitted that way
[21:22] <pleia2> it's better than nothing
[21:22] <knome> i suppose..
[21:22] <pleia2> we don't have to put it on the website to share it on g+ etc of course (can just share archive link), I was just asking
[21:23] <knome> sure
[21:23] <knome> i was thinking we could definitely share the ML archive link in social media
[21:23] <knome> and stuf...
[21:23] <knome> +f
[21:23] <pleia2> k
[21:26] <elfy> knome: what did you mean? "-> what do the testcases need to actually test? "
[21:28] <knome> i mean
[21:28] <knome> we're not describing what the contributors need to do...
[21:29] <elfy> oic
[21:35] <elfy> not sure what to put for the autopilot stuff tbh 
[21:36] <knome> me neither
[21:39] <elfy> problem for me is I have no idea how to even do the things - nor how much that it could do - would abiword one - open, create a doc, type, save, close for instance ... 
[21:39] <elfy> lderan: you about? ^^
[21:40] <lderan> elfy, yeah :D
[21:40] <elfy> rowboatnick: ^^
[21:40] <elfy> lderan: so you have any idea how much autopilot will gain us in app testing at all ?
[21:41] <lderan> mmmm
[21:42] <lderan> it makes sense for the more trival things like open abiword, type, save and check to see if the file exists
[21:42] <elfy> ok 
[21:46] <lderan> tho it has a small issue with abiword, that when you open it you have to move the mouse cursor onto it before it lets you type anything :P
[21:47] <elfy> right - but the main thing is that while for a manual testcase you don't need to be overly technical - you'd have trouble with autopilot if you were like me 
[21:47] <elfy> and it has issues with xubuntu apps 
[21:48] <elfy> knome: I wonder if we'd be better to calling for manual help now - then autopilot in a few weeks
[21:48] <elfy> or playing down the urgency for autopilot tests
[21:50] <knome> elfy, that sounds good.
[21:50] <elfy> which? 
[21:50] <elfy> I'd prefer I think to ask now - but play down the urgency 
[21:50] <knome> yup, that
[21:51] <elfy> lderan: and it's python?
[21:52] <knome> elfy, yes
[21:52] <lderan> yup python
[21:52] <elfy> thought so - there's only so many Hello Worlds you can do before they all seem the same ... 
[21:53] <elfy> lderan: if you have some idea of what to write here http://pad.ubuntu.com/MoWv1NaHMR for autopilot knock yourself out :)
[21:54] <lderan> shall take a look :)
[21:54] <elfy> thanks :)
[22:06] <ochosi> micahg: i just updated xubuntu-artwork with needed stuff for saucy, so that's totally pushable
[22:06] <elfy> knome: not sure I can add much more atm 
[22:06] <elfy> lderan: thanks for looking at that for us 
[22:07] <elfy> and I added a link at the bottom if it's any use to the a/p stuff
[22:07] <lderan> yup
[22:07] <lderan> it is :)
[22:08] <elfy> I have actually read these things - but they are all stuck in the wall just above my head ... 
[22:08] <knome> elfy, let's sleep on it
[22:08] <elfy> yep - I'll have a look with the first pot of tea 
[22:09] <knome> :)
[22:10] <elfy> ok - I'm off - thanks everyone and good night 
[22:10] <knome> nighty!
[22:10] <lderan> good night elfy :)
[23:03] <knome> see you all later ->
[23:04] <GridCube> bye