[07:07] <KriShaNsin> i have installed lubuntu two ways. the first way was from terminal on the 13.04 raring main desktop. and then there was a lubuntu session available from the drop down at login. and the other way was from Unetbootin live usb with the lubuntu desktop iso. which was a lubuntu login screen only, but that one had a netbook login option that i noticed and that didnt work well on my netbook which bummed me out.
[07:10] <KriShaNsin> it did work but it doesnt seem like a good OS for a new Linux user
[07:11] <KriShaNsin> i was originally excited when i saw the netbook login session though. i noticed that there is no good website that explains lubuntu in a human coherent way either.
[07:11] <Unit193> THe "netbook" session was a test to show what you could do with lxsession, less of a real setup for Netbooks.
[07:14] <KriShaNsin> its not for beginners in other words . lx . ldxe. lxde . kdlxe . oh man. i feel like am radio. how can normal people be expected to get all of this?
[07:15] <Unit193> The Lubuntu session is generally a typical setup, what exactly do you not get?
[07:15] <KriShaNsin> i like the idea of less resources. and it reminded me almost of an iPhone springboard and i liked that too.
[07:16] <KriShaNsin> well my pc couldnt restart when i updated the original software update after install. i had to hard boot every time . i coulnd "restart" on lbuntu.
[07:16] <KriShaNsin> and why are there 2 desktops on the panel?
[07:17] <Unit193> As far as I've seen, more than one desktop is fairly standard.  For the people that don't use them, they can pretty much just ignore them.
[07:17] <KriShaNsin> oh ok
[07:22] <KriShaNsin> well, when i installed lubuntu from the unetbootin live usb, it worked , i logged in , and immediately it wanted to do a software update. so i did the update, and then after that it says, "restart now" button. so i clicked that. and then my laptop rebooted to a blinking cursor. and just sat there blinking for a long time. and so i powered down manually and restarted. it check disk for errors and rebooted fine. but once in . i could never "
[07:22] <KriShaNsin> restart' and it was generally buggy. i had to be careful and more than once i got a frozen screen, so i did a clean reinstall of 13.04 raring main and i really like it. i guess i could try it again when i get another pc. but i am skeptical sorry. i dont know why people dont like canonical. but i hope that lubuntu can get a website together and humanely explain this OS.
[07:23] <Unit193> http://lubuntu.net/ ?  But, whatever works best for you!
[07:27] <KriShaNsin> i just want to give some criticism. i could be in the woods here but i hope am not. am new to linux and obviosly dont want to piss off a group of people who could hack my alarm clock. so no hard feelings yeah ?
[07:28] <Unit193> Nope, whatever works best for you.
[07:35] <JesseH> Heh
[07:47] <leoquant> Hello JesseH
[07:47] <JesseH> Hello
[13:27] <pmatulis> when i click on a hyperlink in my xterm (urxvt) it opens in firefox.  yet my default browser is google-chrome according to update-alternatives (and the preferred applications GUI thing).  anyone know how to correct that behaviour?
[13:28] <pmatulis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5840337/
[13:30] <pmatulis> hm, might require a urxvt-specific config
[13:31] <pmatulis> trying 'URxvt.urlLauncher:     google-chrome'
[13:33] <pmatulis> yes, works
[17:07] <Anne> hello, is here for lubuntu support?
[17:09] <Anne> my lubuntu distro every time I reboot ask me to start ubuntu from a grub page
[17:09] <Anne> is there a way to start the OS automatically?
[17:09] <holstein> !grub | Anne
[17:09] <holstein> Anne: should just stat the first in the list, automatically.. unless you have changed it
[17:10] <Anne> I have change nothing, Before there was a second count down... Not anymore
[17:10] <Anne> the only thig I have changed are a couple of script to correct some bugs
[17:11] <Anne> http://www.thefanclub.co.za/how-to/how-auto-connect-ubuntu-1204-gsm-mobile-broadband-connection-on-boot-startup-service and a delay scrypt to start a remote desktop program
[17:12] <holstein> ?
[17:12] <holstein> Anne: so, you *did* change something?
[17:12] <holstein> Anne: have you looked at the link i gave here and the other channel?
[17:12] <Anne> I'm pretty confused beetwen the channel, i'll sit here
[17:13] <Anne> ('m reading, but really you dont remember me?)
[17:13] <holstein> Anne: correct.. i dont remember you
[17:13] <holstein> Anne: i volunteer support for many people, in many channels.. nothing personal
[17:14] <ianorlin> also is there a way to get it to say lubuntu on the grub page?
[17:14] <holstein> ianorlin: manually edit what you like
[17:14] <holstein> ianorlin: i would leave it along
[17:14] <holstein> alone*
[17:14] <ianorlin> yeah
[17:14] <ianorlin> I am not sure it is worth it
[17:14] <holstein> grub is something you can hide... or customize.. or break
[17:15] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Boot_Display_Behavior
[17:17] <ianorlin> bootloaders are not good when they go wrong
[17:18] <Anne> dont worry holstein :) I rember you, it's more than enough :P
[17:21] <Anne> is there a way to see the line number when editing " /etc/grub.d/00_header and change line 236 (this line is in the make_timeout() function) to  set timeout=0
[17:21] <Anne> "
[17:21] <Anne> ?
[17:22] <Anne> I dont wanna mess in the wrong place
[17:23] <ianorlin> what editior are you using
[17:23] <ianorlin> there is in leafpad an option for line numbers
[17:24] <Anne> lubuntu has leafpad
[17:24] <ianorlin> I know
[17:24] <Anne> found
[17:24] <Anne> thank you ianorlin
[17:24] <Anne> (starting to love this channel)
[17:25] <Anne> mmmmm problem. What I found is different from the guide holstein gave me
[17:25] <Anne> If the last boot failed or after a boot into Recovery Mode the menu will be displayed until the user makes a selection. The timeout setting in /etc/default/grub do not apply in this case.  To change this behaviour, edit /etc/grub.d/00_header and change line 236 (this line is in the make_timeout() function) to  set timeout=0
[17:25] <ianorlin> you're welcome
[17:26] <Anne> but in the line 236 I have if [ -f "sx ecc
[17:26] <Anne> I have a fx at line 279 make_timeout ()
[17:27] <Anne> and at line 285: set timeout=${2}
[17:27] <Anne> is this the line I have to change?
[17:28] <Anne> also have a line 282:  set timeout=${GRUB_RECORDFAIL_TIMEOYT: --1}
[17:29] <ianorlin> I am not sure
[17:30] <wxl> hm
[17:30] <holstein> Anne: i must have misunderstood your question
[17:30] <holstein> when you asked..
[17:30] <holstein> 13:09 < Anne> is there a way to start the OS automatically?
[17:31] <holstein> ^^ i assumed that meant the OS was booting manually.. is that not the case? the answer i gave was to change the grub settings to boot automatically
[17:31] <Anne> I can boot the OS manually, I just have to press "ubuntu" from the grub menu
[17:31] <Anne> But I need the autostart or the countdown
[17:32] <holstein> Anne: so, edit the file mentioned at the link i gave
[17:32] <Anne> I tried but the link is different from the file I have here
[17:32] <wxl> holstein: you mean /etc/grub.d/00_header?
[17:32] <holstein> Anne: i will give you the *exact* file
[17:33] <Anne> right now I'm in 00_header in /etc/grub.d
[17:33] <Anne> but It has different line and sets
[17:34] <Anne> (from the one of the link)
[17:34] <holstein> Anne: you have no reason to edit those.. those do not have anything to do with automatically booting anything
[17:34] <Anne> ok, I'm starting to be a little confused :D
[17:34] <holstein> Anne: whatever you have edited, please revert, and see that your OS is still booting.. then, i will tell you *exactly* what to edit
[17:35] <Anne> I have edited nothing yet
[17:35] <holstein> Anne: good.. *dont* edit anything
[17:35] <holstein> Anne: close everything you are doing, and wait patiently.. thank you
[17:35] <Anne> 'll arrest the sistem and than start it again
[17:36]  * holstein is referencing https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[17:37] <holstein> i open /etc/default/grub ... i do this from nano in the terminal like this "nano /etc/defaut/grub"
[17:37] <wxl> sudo
[17:37] <holstein> *if*, i wanted to edit it, i would use "sudo nano /etc/default/grub" .. i would think it a good idea to back that file up
[17:38] <ianorlin> is nano a terminal text editor?
[17:38] <wxl> ianorlin: yep
[17:38] <wxl> (but vim is better) XD
[17:38] <holstein> i could also use "gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub" .. or leafpad, or whatever editor i choose
[17:38] <wxl> "sudo nano -B /etc/default/grub" will automatically create a backup
[17:39] <holstein> i need root access to edit the file, and i need an editor i understand how to use, and i would think it a good idea to make a backup.. many ways to make a backup such as the one wxl gave above
[17:40] <holstein> Anne: the option that i linked above, and link here now https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Timed_Display is where i would look
[17:42] <holstein> Anne: likely, the setup that i have is what you want.. 10 seconds then auto booting the first in the list.. my config looks like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/5841010/
[17:42] <holstein> Anne: clear?
[17:44] <holstein> Anne: and you have rebooted to test the changes?
[17:44] <holstein> probably need to run "sudo update-grub" before the reboot.. wont hurt to run that
[17:51] <Anne> sorry, my dog politely ask me to have dinner :)
[17:51] <Anne> here I am
[17:52] <Anne> I shutted down the pc. I start it again. Now I have the gnu grub 2.0 page
[17:52] <Anne> the page waits for an user input
[17:52] <Anne> no count down
[17:53] <holstein> Anne: above, i linked *excactly* how to change that.. please try following the steps and let a volunteer know how it works out
[17:55] <Anne> Ok, I can do it
[17:57] <Anne> ok
[17:58] <Anne> My grub file, in the folder etc/default
[17:58] <Anne> is already the same yoy pasted me
[17:58] <holstein> Anne: i never said to put anything anywhere
[17:58] <Anne> yoy=you
[17:58] <holstein> Anne: i said to edit the file as root, and back up the current one
[17:58] <Anne> (i dont put anything to anywere, I just open it to look)
[17:59] <holstein>  /etc/default/grub
[17:59] <Anne> yes
[18:00] <Anne> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm wait a minute
[18:00] <Anne> i spotted a difference
[18:05] <Anne> ok holstein, dont bite me
[18:05] <Anne> so: i make a backup
[18:05] <Anne> i open the file as root with leafpad
[18:06] <Anne> I add a # in front of GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[18:06] <Anne> now the line is #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 (as your file)
[18:06] <Anne> the other lines are =
[18:07] <Anne> (equal? what's the word in englis?) anyway
[18:07] <holstein> Anne: use a pastebin, and copy paste
[18:07] <holstein> !paste | Anne
[18:09] <Anne> saved, reboted but nothing, I still have no contdown and I have to manually select "ubuntu" from the grub menu
[18:09] <Anne> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5841101/
[18:10] <holstein> Anne: and you ran "sudo update-grub" ?
[18:11] <Anne> yes
[18:11] <Anne> nothing change
[18:12] <Anne> could be this thing? If the last boot failed or after a boot into Recovery Mode the menu will be displayed until the user makes a selection. The timeout setting in /etc/default/grub do not apply in this case.
[18:12] <holstein> Anne: i'll tel you exactly what i would do.. hit the enter button, and enojot the OS
[18:12] <holstein> enjoy*
[18:12] <Anne> but I'm tring to make a sort of server
[18:13] <holstein> Anne: that is *exactly* what is happening, correct?
[18:13] <holstein> so what is causing that?
[18:13] <Anne> I have only one option
[18:13] <holstein> Anne: nothing you are saying prevents a server from running
[18:13] <holstein> Anne: what would i do?
[18:14] <holstein> as i said, deal with it as is.. you can try boot repair from a live CD https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[18:14] <holstein> otherwise, you'll need to elaborate about *everything*.. what message.. why.. when did you get it? what oerating systems are installed? how did you install them
[18:16] <holstein> i would say, you will fool around with this, and maybe discover what broke what and "fix" it.. or, maybe make the machine not boot.. and to gain what? you dont need the machine to boot up automatically to run it as a server
[18:19] <Anne> I actually do, It will be in my cabin (far away from my house) I managed to have a remote desktop but I can go to start up the pc manually If i need to reboot
[18:19] <Anne> anyway, let's give a try to boot repair
[18:19] <holstein> you want battery backup, anyway
[18:20] <holstein> you are thinking, you'll set the machine to reboot? in the bios? if the power goes off?
[18:20] <Anne> i set up the mobo to start up on power up
[18:20] <Anne> yes
[18:20] <Anne> :D
[18:20] <holstein> eventually, that forced poweroff will break the hard drive anyways
[18:20] <holstein> so, at least one time, it wont work...
[18:20] <Anne> (no HD just usb)
[18:21] <Anne> anyway I'm not looking for a perfect system, just a pc that can recover if the power went out
[18:21] <holstein> Anne: "perfect" is a matter of opinion, and doesnt exist with computers
[18:21] <Anne> (or I reboot from remote desktop)
[18:21] <Anne> I agree :)
[18:22] <holstein> Anne: what you have, is a lot of information that you are not sharing with volunteers
[18:22] <holstein> Anne: what USB? where is grub installed? are you expecting to boot it with a "magic packet" over the local network?
[18:22] <Anne> you have to forgive me, it's my first try with linux at all
[18:23] <holstein> Anne: sure.. and *dont* try and solve all these issues, and make a "perfect" system on your first day in linux
[18:23] <Anne> usb stick, 4 gb, no magick packet. I aspect to power up a first time, and then it can recover (via mobo auto power on option) if the power went off
[18:23] <holstein> Anne: look at how the pros do it.. they have battery backup.. or some kind of uninterruptable power
[18:24] <holstein> Anne: *any* system forcing power off like that, as part of the "plan" *will* break
[18:25] <Anne> I also plan to set up an UPS, but at least I need that if I rebott the sistem from remote desktop... It will be live by itself :)
[18:25] <holstein> you would have to be certain the hardware boots USB.. then, maybe force large parts of the file system to be read-only
[18:25] <holstein> Anne: i would visit a hardware channel, or networking... otherwise, if you have a lubuntu question, feel free and ask a volunteer.. cheers!
[18:29] <Anne> I actually have a lubuntu question ( I really dont want to mess up with the harware, I was just answering to avoid "not sharing info" :) 'm tryinb boot repair
[18:47] <Anne> emh... holstein... (dont bite me)... anyway... it solved everything :) boot-repair has fixed the problem
[18:47] <Anne> now it star by itself (10 sec contdown)
[18:48] <Anne> thank you and thank  you ianorlin, you both gain a lot of good karma today :P
[18:48] <holstein> Anne: enjoy
[18:50] <Anne> :* have a nice night guys and sorry If I bothered( wonder if it's the right word) you
[18:50] <holstein> Anne: no worries.. glad you got it working as you want
[18:51] <Anne> ^___^ (you helped me twice, even If you dont remember, at third I'll deliver some cupcakes!)
[21:25] <vadimkolchev> hi all. try to install lubuntu on a 512 mb ram machine with 445 mb of ram free and installer crashes. However, it is intended to be run on at least 348 mb as it is stated in docs. Why is it so?
[21:26] <Unit193> In /var/log/ you should see something with a name of ubiquity, see what that says.  Should also check syslog and dmesg.
[21:27] <vadimkolchev> Unit193, ok, i'll try to see. however it says out of space or smth.
[21:27] <Unit193> How big is the hard drive?
[21:27] <vadimkolchev> Unit193, I have 15 Gb dedicated to install
[21:32] <Unit193> Heh, so no problem.  You can drop to a TTY and remove the slideshow, though 512 should be more than enough.
[21:32] <Unit193> vadimkolchev: You can also try the alternate installer, of course.
[21:36] <ianorlin> .
[21:55] <crazyeagle> alguien ha movido su directorio /home a otra particion o dico?
[22:03] <SonikkuAmerica> !crosspost | crazyeagle, please stop this!
[22:04] <ianorlin> yo no he movido mi directorio /home
[22:05] <SonikkuAmerica> !es | ianorlin
[22:05] <ianorlin> I was becuase he was speaking it
[22:05] <ianorlin> sorry
[22:07] <ianorlin> oh and he left before that
[22:10] <SonikkuAmerica> ianorlin: Well he does speak English
[22:10] <ianorlin> oh
[22:11] <ianorlin> I did not know that
[22:11] <SonikkuAmerica> ianorlin: He asked in #ubuntu 23964857629374659287364957826934785 times, then asked once in all the other English channels
[22:11] <ianorlin> I am not in the other channels
[22:20] <SonikkuAmerica> Seriously ubottu? O_o
[22:24] <binaryhermit> nice parsing ubottu
[22:25] <SonikkuAmerica> Let me know when that bug number exists
[22:35] <binaryhermit> I think it's the next bug to get filed
[22:35]  * binaryhermit ducks