[06:52] <dholbach> good morning
[17:55] <jono> hey folks
[17:57] <hippyjake> hi jono!
[17:58] <FlyingPig> hi jono :)
[17:58] <jono> howdy :-)
[18:01] <sdk> YEAH !
[18:01] <FlyingPig> woohoo
[18:01] <hippyjake> your on!
[18:01] <JoshStrobl> We can see you streaming
[18:01] <hippyjake> intertubes
[18:02] <drparny> Aye!
[18:02] <Kouakou> We see you .. !!!
[18:02] <pinguy> I can see you on the interwebs
[18:02] <Jarrick> Hello!
[18:02] <JoshStrobl> Bacon, you're on...
[18:02] <FMGrungekid> Good evening, sire!
[18:06] <pinguy> Question: Ubuntu touch have any hardware vendors yet? If not have you tried Sony? They are very open and are willing to support open source. They are working on a FireFox OS phone.
[18:06] <hippyjake> QUESTION? What are the advantages to the new click package?
[18:06] <FlyingPig> QUESTION: The last Q&A on the ubuntu on air Youtube channel is from April 24th, are there any plans to upload the more recent Q&As?
[18:06] <sebsebseb> ok in ehre now,  was seeing video first :d
[18:06] <Kouakou> QUESTION: I barely got my 4 monitors to work on Ubuntu albeit with issues .. what has MIR got to offer those of us with multiple (read more than 2 ) monitors ??
[18:06] <JoshStrobl> QUESTION: While this question may have been answered before, would you consider the Mir display server an alpha or go as far as to say it is a pre-alpha stage, considering it still utilizes an X compatibility layer? (Hence XMir).
[18:07] <JoshStrobl> QUESTION: Would Mir solve issues related to dynamic graphic card switching, even per application. X11 still requires a restart of the X.Org session.
[18:08] <jono> http://insights.ubuntu.com/articles/blogs/differentiation-without-fragmentation/
[18:08] <drparny> QUESTION: I'm a bit new here. So, what is canonical doing to make available apps for Ubuntu Touch? say like firefox, whatsapp etc etc?
[18:09] <sebsebseb> QUESTION: What are your comments about  the lead developer of Kubuntu formally a Canonical employee saying that Kubuntu won't be supporting Mir at all,  making that quite clear in fact,  X and then Wayland later on.
[18:09] <binmosa> Will Ubuntu touch have cloud services, such as what exists in Android? What make it unique and different from Android ?
[18:09] <jdrab> QUESTION: are there any plans to transfer openid service from launchpad to ubuntu one?
[18:09] <hippyjake> QUESTION: Who is the American operator that signed on?
[18:10] <JoshStrobl> hippyjake -> Doubtful they can reveal that at this moment in time :\
[18:11] <drparny> QUESTION: Will ubuntu phones be available as said? (on awesome H/W hopefully)? I'm holding myself from getting Android ones :( :D
[18:11] <hippyjake> I just heard him say something to that effect JoshStrodl thanks
[18:11] <pinguy> QUESTION: Will Ubuntu Touch use a PPA system for apps?
[18:13] <Guest3018> QUESTION: What are typical customization options for carriers in Ubuntu Touch?
[18:13] <pinguy> QUESTION: What is the state of Ubuntu TV? I haven't heard much about that. Same as Ubuntu for Android. Are these projects now abandonware?
[18:14] <xyzabc> QUESTION: Will 14.04 lts use xmir+unity7 or mir+unity8 by default? Thanks!
[18:19] <naum> question: can you recompile most of the kde and gnome packages under Mir? Do you even need to do that?
[18:21] <pinguy> So Mir doesn't work with Unity 7 so you need another layer to make it work (xMir)? Isn't this going to cause all sorts of problems? This will be a nightmare to fix bugs as it won't be clear if its an bug with xMir or Mir.
[18:23] <naum> question: When Unity8 under Mir becomes available as a preview in 13.10 will we be able to run "old" apps with xmir?
[18:24] <jdrab> naum: please use CAPS for 'question' it will be easier for jono to spot your questions ;)
[18:24] <naum> :(
[18:24] <naum> okay
[18:24] <number22> QUESTION: what will be fate of ubuntu brainstorm
[18:25] <naum> i forgot about that
[18:25] <jdrab> number22: it's dead afaik :D
[18:26] <diska> when we will see first phone in europe?
[18:27] <pinguy> QUESTION: Now Ubuntu is using Mir, is Compiz dead?
[18:30] <pinguy> I saw this coming Months ago with Mir. I spoke to Mark about it here: https://plus.google.com/u/0/116915640151584325691/posts/5fkV79YY62o?cfem=1
[18:34] <drparny> I mean will ubuntu phones be available in october as Mark said? Will be it available in the US?
[18:34] <drparny> QUESTION: Will ubuntu phones be available in october as Mark said? Will be it available in the US?
[18:35] <naum> QUESTION: What about services/apps from major companies, e.g., Google, Netflix, etc.?
[18:35] <naum> QUESTION: On Ubuntu Phone.
[18:35] <pinguy> Isn't scopes still mainly place holders?
[18:35] <number22> QUESTION: do you have any idea about the green dragon that mark shuttleworth uses on his blog/g+ etc
[18:36] <pinguy> http://insights.ubuntu.com/articles/blogs/differentiation-without-fragmentation/
[18:36] <sebsebseb> QUESTION:  Unity 8  is the re done QT/QML Unity?
[18:36] <FlyingPig> QUESTION: Do you think Nvidia will have their drivers ready for Mir by 14.04?
[18:37] <pinguy> Anyone having problems with the stream?
[18:38] <binmosa> What about developing for Ubuntu on other platform (Windows - Mac ) ? Is it only available using Ubuntu ?
[18:41] <sebsebseb> QUESTION: 15 minutes guitar time, if not enough questions? :d
[18:41] <FlyingPig> QUESTION: Mark has a plane? :O
[18:42] <jdrab> :D
[18:42] <xfg> QUESTION: metalica or megadeth?
[18:42] <FMGrungekid> QUESTION: What did you think of Man of Steel?
[18:42] <jdrab> QUESTION: why is mark posting photos on google plus from iphone? :]
[18:42] <pinguy> QUESTION: how long did it take to grow that awesome beard :)
[18:43] <drparny> QUESTION: I understand canonical is in discussion with operators about Ubuntu for Android. So can we expect the source code and binaries available for specific hardware after they release one or few tailored handsets?
[18:43] <Anil> Is python still preferred language for development on Ubuntu, like stated in that tutorial about quickly (which I can't find anymore)?
[18:43] <micah2> QUESTION: outside of the core apps, what are the applications that you feel will be most important to helping Ubuntu Touch launch with a bang?
[18:43] <Jarrick> How about an update on your BBQ action.  ;)
[18:43] <D_shipp> Ok so my question is you were saying the carriers will be bale to customize touch they way they want it to look will we be able to undo or change what they do so we do not have to love with what they do.
[18:44] <binmosa> My question didn't appear ?
[18:44] <binmosa> What about developing for Ubuntu on other platform (Windows - Mac ) ? Is it only available using Ubuntu ?
[18:44] <jdrab> jono: there's no one behhind you today :|
[18:44] <jdrab> as usual :D
[18:45] <theblackdog> what kind of architecture will the hi-low end phone version be? (ARM, x68, x64) and whats about launching desktop aplications on the phone
[18:45] <theblackdog> and a yes for guitar ;)
[18:45] <pinguy> QUESTION: Not sure if you can answer this, but 3 network in the UK has an odd 3G network. When I was making an android ROM I had to work on enabling AMR-WB: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=35463164#post35463164
[18:45] <PipIWYG> I might come onto this late, but I was wondering... I seem to struggle to run the unity-next release, which I had running fine before on 12.10. Any tips?
[18:45] <mhall119> theblackdog: I don't see x86/64 phones taking off any time soon
[18:46] <mhall119> PipIWYG: you need to be on Ubuntu 13.10 to develop and run Unity 8
[18:46] <PipIWYG> ok. tks
[18:47] <pinguy> lol
[18:47] <ubuntourist> QUESTION: Mark DOESN'T have his own private spacecraft? ;-)
[18:47] <number22> QUESTION: beard or moustache
[18:49] <sebsebseb> First guitar vote. Guitar!
[18:49] <number22> +guitar
[18:49] <micah2> you should try the mustache!
[18:49] <pulu_> yes guitar
[18:50] <pinguy> QUESTION: My bad lol. Do you have anyone working on Modems for Ubuntu Touch. Each network work on their own. But the 3 network uses an odd bandwidth.
[18:51] <Anil> Is python still preferred language for development on Ubuntu, like stated in that tutorial about quickly (which I can't find anymore)?
[18:51] <pulu_> QUESTION: is there some reasoning behind the fact that there is so little customisation offered on unity? Why stuff on unity tweak-tool are not included default?
[18:51] <Will87> QUESTION: Is python still preferred language for development on Ubuntu, like stated in that tutorial about quickly (which I can't find anymore)?
[18:52] <FlyingPig> QUESTION: Have you ever used MacOS X?
[18:52] <sebsebseb> Will87: Python is the prefered sure
[18:52] <sebsebseb> FlyingPig: of course he has
[18:52] <sebsebseb> FlyingPig: oh thought you put heard, but he's probably used it before
[18:52] <pinguy> QUESTION: Request, Hotel California
[18:52] <mhall119> Anil: C++ or QML are the prefered languages for writing apps
[18:53] <bvincent> can apt-get be used for more then installing stuff
[18:53] <mhall119> C is the prefered language for writing scopes
[18:53] <mhall119> bvincent: it can be used for removing stuff too :)
[18:53] <bvincent> oh
[18:53] <naum> QUESTION: whose idea was ubuntuonair? Why? Are the other canonical developers happy about answering questions from the crowd that much in the open?
[18:54] <mhall119> naum: there is now a weekly on-air with Canonical engineers to answer questions about what they're working on
[18:54] <Anil> OK now I'm confused :) Which one is the way to go? Python / C / C++ / QML
[18:55] <FlyingPig> QUESTION: Will there ever be a double flavor of your Q&A again?
[18:55] <bvincent> can you make a new type of login screen for ubuntu
[18:56] <Anil> so QML...
[18:56] <Will87> yup
[18:56] <ubuntourist> Anil & Will87: Consider looking at the tutorials at http://developer.ubuntu.com/
[18:56] <pinguy> Jono had the same problem with my family with Gnome 2.3. They kept deleting icons for the top bar including the Menu icon
[18:57] <mhall119> Anil: if you want to write apps for the desktop *and* phone, go with QML
[18:57] <pinguy> they are shy :)
[18:58] <Will87> QUESTION: Unity 8: What is the factor that decides if its tablet/desktop view? Screen resolution? Hardware?
[18:58] <bvincent> can you make a login screen
[18:59] <pinguy> QUESTION: ever thought about making the Q&A open on G+ hangout?
[18:59] <naum> QUESTION: any ideas on how to make ubuntuonair more interesting to news reporters?
[18:59] <number22> QUESTION: whats on lunch
[18:59] <pinguy> So anyone can join
[18:59] <naum> yeah, what's for lunch
[18:59] <bvincent> can you make a login screen with a sdk
[19:00] <pinguy> yes that what I meant
[19:00] <Will87> QUESTION: Unity 8 What happens with high res tablets? for example: 2560*1600 vs desktop 1920*1080
[19:01] <naum> bon appetit
[19:01] <jdrab> Will87: yes
[19:01] <bvincent> thank you
[19:01] <pinguy> oh wow. 2hr went quick
[19:01] <jdrab> Will87: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9AzRxsnfTE
[19:02] <pinguy> *oh wow. 2hr went quickly
[19:02] <mhall119> Will87: Unity 8 uses resolution independent "grid units" for sizes, so on high-pixel-density screens it will use more pixels-per-gridunit
[19:02] <mhall119> so it will be the same physical size
[19:02] <Will87> thanks
[19:07] <Yuki> hello
[19:08] <pinguy> Thanks jono for the QA. Nice to know you are still involved with the community
[19:08] <sebsebseb> pinguy: of course he is, it's his job
[19:09] <pinguy> sebsebseb, lol, true
[19:10] <jono> thanks!
[19:11] <pinguy> sebsebseb,  Well at least it gave me the option to talk about Sony being involved with Open Source and that they need to look into AMR-WB
[19:12] <pinguy> Something Canonical need to look into but hard to talk to them about
[19:12] <pinguy> Doing this Q&A I am hoping jono go's away and looks into it
[19:14] <pinguy> jono, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptive_Multi-Rate_Wideband
[19:15] <pinguy> http://www.xperiablog.net/2013/05/09/sony-working-on-premium-firefox-os-handset/
[19:15] <pinguy> Better link for sony: http://developer.sonymobile.com/2013/02/27/experimental-firefox-os-software-for-xperia-e-available-for-developers-rom/
[19:16] <sebsebseb> pinguy: I think Sony generaly don't care much about  Linux etc
[19:16] <pinguy> sebsebseb, you are joking right?
[19:16] <sebsebseb> pinguy: I mean take the PS3  and the Linux option being removed thing for example
[19:16] <pinguy> sebsebseb, that was because you could hack the PS3 using the Other OS option
[19:16] <pinguy> Thats why it was removed
[19:16] <sebsebseb> I think Sony aren't that popular in the phone market to,  and so yes may support things like FIrefox OS  and even Ubuntu Phone for that matter, whatever it takes for them to become a bit bigger of a name basicaly
[19:17] <sebsebseb> pinguy: plus the FSF has boycott Sony stickers and what not even, becasue of  certian  bad stuff they have done in the past, the rootkit thing etc
[19:18] <sebsebseb> plus why are theo Sony Vaio's so expensive? they aren't that great really,  in fact I broke on years ago
[19:18] <pinguy> sebsebseb, I do some work on XDA, not much but some. Sony are by far the most open company I have dealt with. They released the kernel sources for the Sony Z before the phone was even released
[19:19] <sebsebseb> maybe so, but  Intel are open to with drivers for that.  also Sony is a OEM as well, but where are those  pre installed  Desktop LInux systems for example, right there aren't any as far as I know
[19:20] <ichhabegrosseeie> yo
[19:20] <sebsebseb> pinguy: to be honest I don't think many of these companies care much about  free software, as in from a moral software advantages point of view,  it's just open source for them really, a good developmetn model possbily  that can make them more money
[19:20] <sebsebseb> ichhabegrosseeie: hi
[19:21] <ichhabegrosseeie> well, I'm out
[19:21] <ichhabegrosseeie> good bye
[19:22] <pinguy> Sony are one of the few people that let you unlock your phone with the imei
[19:22] <pinguy> They have a page setup on their site
[19:23] <sebsebseb> pinguy: companies arne't people, they are however groups of people
[19:23] <pinguy> sebsebseb, I know. But you get what I mean
[19:23] <sebsebseb> altough someone did say to me the other day that apparnatly in USA,  comapnies are known as people now or whatever he was saying hmm
[19:25] <sebsebseb> pinguy: Sony  have done some quite bad things in the past the rootkit thing etc.   Sony like most companies lock people into their products or try to.  the  Blueray players, the PS3  etc etc.  at the end of the day companies like that don't really care that much about our freedoms if at all really, they just care about making more money etc
[19:25] <pinguy> sebsebseb, Network providers force Sony to lock the bootloader. But they have a page on their site on how to unlock it: http://unlockbootloader.sonymobile.com/instructions
[19:25] <sebsebseb> also mobile phones are quite propritary/commerical not that open really etc in general
[19:25] <sebsebseb> and that's why I hope Firefox OS and   Ubuntu Phone will succede
[19:26] <pinguy> sebsebseb, you do know that network providers will tell Firefox OS and Ubuntu Touch that they will need away to lock the bootloader?
[19:27] <sebsebseb> there will be certaine requirements sure, since how that market is like
[19:27] <pinguy> Sony, Android etc. want to be open, but network providers tell them if they don't lock down the hardware and OS they they won't sell the phones
[19:28] <pinguy> It's sad, but it is how it is
[19:28] <sebsebseb> well that's the kind of stuff that happens when money sucking companies are in charge of things!
[19:28] <pinguy> It's why Sony have made it as simple as possible to be able to unlock their phones.
[19:28] <sebsebseb> pinguy: it's the kind of reason why Richard Stallman will refues to use a phone :d
[19:29] <sebsebseb> or his own anyway
[19:29] <pinguy> Samsung are the same
[19:29] <sebsebseb> pinguy: it's sad that phones are nothing, but products really
[19:29] <sebsebseb> there isn't really a phone project if you get what I mean
[19:29] <sebsebseb> a project and a product being differnet
[19:29] <sebsebseb> in this context
[19:29] <pinguy> All Samsung hardware is open. The kernel is fully open-sourced
[19:30] <pinguy> It's the network providers that lock down the phone
[19:34] <pinguy> I have been involved in mobile phone for the last 6 months or so. I do believe desktop PC will die out and will only be used to develop programs on.
[19:34] <sebsebseb> pinguy: I think lap tops and desktop pc's are here to stay for man years to come
[19:34] <pinguy> Because of this I am doing a lot of work with Android. But I am hoping Ubuntu Touch does well so I can start work on that
[19:35] <sebsebseb> ,but yes tablets and phones are starting to become more popular realy
[19:36] <pinguy> At the moment I honestly believe Ubuntu Touch won't do all that well. There is somethings I like about it, but overall it has nothing on Android at the moment. But it is a VERY early OS.
[19:38] <pinguy> One thing I love about Ubuntu Touch is the light client feature. Where you can plug the phone into a TV or monitor and have a Full OS
[19:38] <pinguy> At the moment that isn't part of Ubuntu Touch. But when it is, it will be a killer feature
[19:38] <pinguy> I bought the Atrix HD just because I could run a full OS off of my phone
[19:39] <pinguy> they where way ahead for the times
[19:39] <pinguy> It was called Wedtop
[19:39] <pinguy> *webtop
[19:39] <pinguy> Here is a video showing it off https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWORT8-jyoo
[19:43] <pinguy> In that video. everything that is being shown is from a phone that was released February 22, 2011
[19:43] <pinguy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Atrix_4G
[19:44] <pinguy> Webtop was ground breaking at the time. I don't think people really understood how ground breaking it was at the time
[19:46] <pinguy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Atrix_4G#Webtop
[19:51] <pinguy> It was a shame. I wanted to work on Webtop. The code is open-sourced ( http://sourceforge.net/motorola/motorola-webtop/home/Home/ ) but the kernel to get it working wasn't. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1919735
[19:52] <pinguy> on XDA I am pinguy1982
[19:53] <pinguy> http://supportmymoto.com/
[21:31] <wamari> yeaaaaaaah!!!!
[21:33] <wamari> when do you expect ubuntu phone to be released?
[21:35] <wamari> QUESTION: when do you expect ubuntu phone to be released, what specifications be reuqired to run it?
[21:42] <Guest82339> how to develop any application thats works on desktop and even in mobile
[21:42] <Guest82339> ?