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[04:21] <Corey> bazhang: With a hammer.
[04:21] <bazhang> Corey, hehe nice
[09:08] <DJones> Chadman> root@bt <--- Wonder if they're actually using Ubuntu or or maybe Backtrack (I know the @bt could be a coincidence)
[09:10] <bazhang> seems like bt
[09:11] <bazhang> a certain user profile is a natural for bt
[09:12] <bazhang> nice call DJones
[09:13] <bazhang> he is indeed using backtrack
[09:13] <DJones> heh
[09:14] <DJones> Ah well, 2 hours less sleep than normal and still awake enough to read & comprehend IRC
[09:15] <bazhang> haha
[12:24] <Tm_T> !no testers-#kubuntu-devel is <reply> Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56 for information.
[16:40] <bazhang> he openly admitted he was trolling. not a good idea
[16:41] <DJones> Nope, I was giving him a last chance after a warning, but getting rid of them works for me
[16:41] <bazhang> he was a problem long before that
[16:43] <DJones> Certainly wasn't good for the channel
[16:45] <DJones> Now to wait for phone calls from the hospital after mother-in-law gets blue lighted there
[16:46] <Pici> backtrack?
[16:46] <DJones> Troll from earlier today
[16:46] <Pici> o
[16:47] <DJones> And then offtopic now
[16:47] <bazhang> abusive too
[16:47] <DJones> Yep, noted in @comment
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[17:06] <bazhang> lordie
 epecially, if you don't think the version of ubuntu is relevant to answering the question, you shouldn't even comment on it.
[17:11] <bazhang> bwhaha
[17:12] <bazhang> my Warty bork nd hlp plz
[17:17] <awktion> what is wrong with you guys
[17:17] <awktion> are you trying to be microsoft or something?
[17:17] <awktion> first you guys consistently disseminate bad information
[17:18] <bazhang> nope
[17:18] <awktion> and now you won't help someone that has a install that's still got supported repos?
[17:18] <bazhang> not all versions are supported in #ubuntu
[17:18] <awktion> offtopic is not an appropriate place to discuss an older version
[17:18] <awktion> the facts are that its a crowdsourced support infrastructure
[17:18] <awktion> so without a swarm you have no support
[17:19] <awktion> all versions THAT HAVE ACTIVE REPOS should be supported
[17:19] <awktion> and
[17:19] <awktion> on top of that
[17:19] <bazhang> awktion, thats not how the channel is run
[17:19] <DJones> awktion: The policy in #ubuntu is that only supported versions are supported
[17:19] <awktion> any questions about upgrading from one that's repos are dead should be supported
[17:19] <awktion> DJones:
[17:19] <awktion> by definition if the repo is alive its supported
[17:19] <bazhang> !eolupgrades | awktion
[17:19] <awktion> irc support is not payed ubuntu support
[17:19] <bazhang> support for those is limited to eolupgrades
[17:19] <awktion> if it were then you guys would have bene shut down for all the bad answers
[17:20] <awktion> sure
[17:20] <DJones> awktion: No its not, please see the info from Ubottu which says when versions are no longer supported
[17:20] <bazhang> awktion, there's nothing to discuss. you dont like the channels policies. that will not change them
[17:20] <awktion> just because you have a topic or a bot that says something does not make it true
[17:20] <awktion> dpkg has a few bad factoids, as does ubottu
[17:21] <awktion> does that mean the factoids should be acted on as the truth?
[17:21] <DJones> awktion: Using your argument, Warty would still be supported because you can still get repo's from old-releases.ubuntu
[17:21] <awktion> or perhaps should they be examined to see if they fit what they address?
[17:21] <bazhang> !warty
[17:21] <awktion> yes
[17:21] <awktion> if someone walked in the chan and said, hey
[17:21] <awktion> i've got warty but i cant update my irssi
[17:21] <awktion> that's legit
[17:21] <bazhang> no its not
[17:21] <LjL> awktion: what makes it "true" then? wait i'll tell you, the IRC Team's consensus on it makes it true if it's something that concerns the Ubuntu channels. so yes, the ops here decide things, among which, that unsupported releases are not suitable topics for #ubuntu (which has been the case for years). if you wish that to change, email the IRC Council.
[17:22] <awktion> if someone said hey - i've a system i dont control, and its got warty - i need to make xyz change, yes
[17:22] <awktion> the irc team is hilarious
[17:22] <bazhang> please exit the channel awktion
[17:22] <awktion> 17:21 <+LjL> awktion: what makes it "true" then? wait i'll tell you, the IRC Team's consensus on it makes it true if it's something that concerns the Ubuntu channels. so yes, the ops here decide
[17:22] <awktion>              things, among which, that unsupported releases are not suitable topics for #ubuntu (which has been the case for years). if you wish that to change, email the IRC Council.
[17:22] <awktion> 17:22 < awktion> if someone said hey - i've a system i dont control, and its got warty - i need to make xyz change, yes
[17:22] <awktion> i'm gonna have to document that - its a huge joke..
[17:22] <awktion> srry bout the paste
[17:23] <Tm_T> awktion: actually that's pretty much how ubuntu support works: releases are supported to a certain point
[17:23] <awktion> no
[17:23] <awktion> you got something really messed up in your mind
[17:23] <awktion> 'ubuntu supported' != channel supported; nor should it.
[17:23] <Tm_T> awktion: it's official Ubuntu support channel
[17:23] <awktion> there are many topics your ops know little about
[17:24] <Tm_T> so it follows what's officially supported
[17:24] <awktion> for instance, what's the smallest install version you can get.
[17:24] <awktion> Tm_T: #ubuntu in no way reflects the ubuntu community's wishes or will
[17:24] <Tm_T> awktion: by community you mean what exactly here?
[17:24] <awktion> it reflects the irc team's consensus of what it should be.
[17:25] <awktion> Do you have a voting process open to the public?
[17:25] <cortexman1> Hi, I have just read the IRC guidelines. They do not mention whether or not the IRC Council has discussed whether it is appropriate for people to discuss active Ubuntu repositories.
[17:25] <LjL> awktion, i REALLY don't see how you can claim something like 'ubuntu supported != channel supported', when by definition, what IS supported in the channel is defined by the OPS (IRC Team / IRC Council). so unless you're ready to stop arguing against obvious definitions, please leave this channel.
[17:25] <awktion> no
[17:25] <awktion> ubuntu is open source
[17:25] <awktion> the channel is volenteers
[17:25] <Tm_T> awktion: being open source is irrelevant to how Ubuntu community is governed
[17:25] <awktion> this is NOT a payed support chan from say canonical
[17:25] <cortexman1> If the IRC Council has not discussed this issue, then it seems that it is an open topic.
[17:26] <awktion> That would be an absolute rule.
[17:26] <cortexman1> If they have discussed the issue, it should be documented.
[17:26] <awktion> but guess what
[17:26] <LjL> cortexman1: we are not willing  to entertain a mob being called into the channel to discuss this.
[17:26] <awktion> even tho the kernel is underused, linux 2.2 is still _supported_ overall
[17:26] <awktion> so if #ubuntu does not represent _everything_ that can be done with ubuntu
[17:26] <Tm_T> awktion: not in Ubuntu channels it is not
[17:26] <awktion> wtf
[17:26] <cortexman1> In general, Canonical keeps repositories active because they know people are still using them.
[17:26] <awktion> i was typing sir
[17:27] <cortexman1> (and, in a way, they support that use)
[17:27] <awktion> yes
[17:27] <awktion> very much in a way
[17:27] <Tm_T> cortexman1: those are for upgrade purposes, it's not supported to use EOL releases
[17:27] <awktion> Tm_T: and yet
[17:27] <LjL> awktion: i don't care, if you're going to call in people to make a mess here, i'm not going to allow that. so both you and cortexman1 are kindly requested to leave now.
[17:27] <Tm_T> what canonical supports is irrelevant to what ubuntu supports
[17:27] <awktion> can you explain how to upgrade from warty to 1304?
[17:27] <awktion> lets try this
[17:27] <cortexman1> anyways
[17:27] <Tm_T> awktion: irrelevant to this discussion
[17:27] <cortexman1> the IRC Council needs to discuss and document this issue.
[17:27] <awktion> very relevant
[17:28] <LjL> cortexman1: then put it in their agenda / email them.
[17:28] <cortexman1> because #ubuntu is harassing people who ask questions
[17:28] <awktion> LjL: how about i just ddos u
[17:28] <awktion> ffs
[17:28] <cortexman1> what's the address / how do I do that.
[17:28] <LjL> !irccouncil
[17:29] <Tm_T> cortexman1: all this arguing of an old community rule is currently holding me from doing Ubuntu development, so please if you have concerns on this, email irc council, but stop arguing it here at it isn't going anywhere
[17:35] <Tm_T> cortexman1: if there's nothing else we can help you with here, please part
[17:54] <cortexman1> who is arguing?
[17:54] <cortexman1> my comments are entirely reasonable
[17:54] <cortexman1> i sent them to the ubuntu-irc-council channel. please update me after you guys have discussed it, and please post the results of your discussion to the website.
[17:54] <cortexman1> please make sure that you discuss the specific points that I raised
[17:55] <cortexman1> my regular nick is cortexman, if this one is not online.
[17:55] <cortexman1> also, your comment asking me to part is not civil.
[17:55] <cortexman1> an acknowledgement would be civil.
[17:55] <bazhang> its a no idle channel cortexman1
[17:55] <bazhang> read the topic
[17:55] <cortexman1> i'm not idling
[17:56] <bazhang> the issue is over
[17:56] <cortexman1> excuse me?
[17:56] <bazhang> so there's nothing left to discuss
[17:56] <cortexman1> are you trying to hush me?
[17:56] <Tm_T> cortexman1: the discussion won't continue here, please continue with irc council
[17:56] <bazhang> please exit the channel cortexman1
[17:57] <cortexman1> let's be clear: I am here complaining about operator abuse.
[17:57] <LjL> cortexman1, see, even if we had been willing to discuss the philosophical issues involved with the things you said, we're unlikely to look favorable at the fact you were obviously incited by awktion to come here and ask about things like the active repositories being supported. we really don't like mobs.
[17:57] <cortexman1> you have told me that you do not respect my complaint, that you won't hear it, and you have asked me to leave.
[17:57] <cortexman1> you have not acknowledged my complaint in its full force.
[17:58] <Tm_T> cortexman1: I'm asking you to continue with irc council
[17:58] <LjL> cortexman1: so at this point, your option if you want to pursue this is to contact the IRC Council. you say you have done so, good, now wait for their answer.
[17:58] <LjL> cortexman1: in the meanwhile, please part this channel.
[17:58] <cortexman1> I have posted this complaint in ubuntu-irc-council, of which ™_T is a member, and he has told me in this channel instead that he does not respect my complaint and told me to leave.
[17:58] <cortexman1> that is unacceptable.
[17:58] <cortexman1> that is not civil.
[17:59] <LjL> cortexman1: that's not what he told you, but feel free to believe what you want. i'm just really tired of seeing this place scroll for no reason
[17:59] <LjL> so part
[17:59] <LjL> seriously
[17:59] <LjL> enougyh
[17:59] <cortexman1> if the irc council replies to my complaint I will be happy to leave.
[17:59] <cortexman1> until then I am comfortable waiting.
[17:59] <cortexman1> I am not idle.
[17:59] <IdleOne> Good morning
[17:59] <LjL> hi
[18:00] <chu> Good time to enter the fray IdleOne
[18:00] <IdleOne> I will do X when and only when you comply to my demands!
[18:00] <IdleOne> POW Punch in the nose
[18:06] <sarnold> shollings in #ubuntu-server is being abuse to users -- I'd appreciate someone else paying attention to what he says and how he says it..
[18:06] <sarnold> s/abuse/abusive/
[18:07] <Tm_T> sarnold: on it
[18:07] <sarnold> Tm_T: <3  :)
[18:19] <Pici> Oh, I step away from my desk for an hour and I have an angry PM from a user I've never met waiting for me when I get back.
[18:47] <IdleOne> The exciting life of an IRCC member
[19:05] <Pici> going afk, someone might want to try to keep luigi and reisio on-topic in #ubuntu.  Also, ntzrmtthihu777's spamming of !offtopic to them is doing little.
[19:10] <bazhang> haha
[19:10] <bazhang> ntz is the very definition of offtopic
[19:10] <IdleOne> But his off topic is relevant.
[19:11] <IdleOne> :p
[19:11] <bazhang> she , but occassionally yeah
[19:12] <bazhang> why do I always misspell that!
[19:15] <IdleOne> I was being sarcastic about the relevant off topicness
[19:24] <bazhang> ntz is amusing though
[19:37] <luigi> Hmm
[19:37] <luigi> This doesn't look right
[19:37] <luigi> bug 1 ?
[19:37] <luigi> Nope, this is right
[19:37] <LjL> looks good to me. luigi, you've been banned from #ubuntu for being intentionally disruptive to the channel
[19:37] <luigi> Hurray!
[19:37] <k1l> luigi: can we help you?
[19:37] <luigi> k1l: Nope!
[19:37] <luigi> I'm good
[19:38] <IdleOne> Please leave the channel in that case
[19:38] <DJones> luigi: If you have nothing else to discuss, then please note the channel has a no idleing policy
[19:38] <k1l> ok, then look out for another place to troll. not in the ubuntu channels and not on freenode.
[19:38] <luigi> Ah, yes, yes
[19:40] <luigi> Hmm
[19:40] <luigi> You guys need to learn the $a prefix
[19:41] <luigi> It's not that hard, seriously
[19:41]  * LjL rolls eyes
[19:42] <luigi> LjL: Sir, I take offense
[19:42] <LjL> i take offence at your taking offence, now what
[19:42]  * luigi thinks
[19:42] <luigi> You don't want to do that! You'll give me an erection!
[19:43]  * luigi sits there with a smug look on his face
[19:43] <LjL> i'd have fun for an entirely hour but i think the others here don't need to see this
[19:43] <LjL> here, got your $a
[19:43] <bazhang> -ly
[19:44] <LjL> bazhang: i don't know what is up with my fingers lately, they just type the most random stuff :(
[19:44] <LjL> luigi: i give you 25 seconds
[19:44] <bazhang> my space key appears to be broken!
[19:44] <LjL> luigi: i don't know, you said to wait a minute
[19:45] <LjL> luigi: now you've got me to hurt my finger in the CD tray. it's bleeding. i hope you're happy
[19:46] <bazhang> seriously?
[19:46] <LjL> luigi: wait a minute, you said $a would cure everything. you LIED TO ME
[19:58]  * SirPenguins who watches the watchers
[20:00] <LjL> the watcherers, obviously
[20:00] <LjL> duh
[20:01] <SirPenguins> Am I now a watcherer?
[20:01] <bazhang> nope
[20:01] <SirPenguins> I should get a new watch to commemorate this achievement
[20:01] <bazhang> or get a hobby
[20:01] <SirPenguins> I have a hobby
[20:01] <LjL> a better hobby
[20:01] <SirPenguins> I sit here and dick around at work when I have nothing to do
[20:02] <LjL> like collecting old handheld computers
[20:02] <SirPenguins> That would be lovely...
[20:02] <SirPenguins> But I have no money for such things
[20:02] <SirPenguins> The great thing about IRC? Free entertainment
[20:02] <LjL> then go make the money! quick!
[20:02] <IdleOne> Use the money for the new watch
[20:02] <LjL> come back when you've made the money, and report
[20:02] <bazhang> one that does not involve being a pest
[20:41] <bazhang> Seven_Six_Two> I'm looking for a current ubuntu member to sponsor me for membership. If you can help, please pm me. Thanks.