[05:24] <redtape|renegade> Morning.. Not good dream about having a job selling mattresses: You don't wanna know. Coffee time !
[05:28] <redtape|renegade> Awesome song : VLC streaming :: http://av.rasset.ie/av/live/radio/junior.m3u
[05:43] <redtape|renegade> I hate mental dreams ..:: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4MV9ORZf8w :: Loooks like I'm OT overdrive .. So I will keep it short today. BTW the above dream changes over to the kids channel at 7am. "J Lennox .. just keep going .. "
[05:48] <redtape|renegade> **dream=stream...
[05:56] <redtape|renegade> OT | Is anyone's spotify not streaming or loking up songs today ? Mine isn't.
[06:00] <shauno> it's way too early for this.  I want some of whatever you're having!
[06:11] <redtape|renegade> shauno: I'm just on a lashback of 1995 and some leftover Dominoes .. Morning ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smK28k7hmnY
[06:20] <redtape|renegade> M~rning TheOpenSourcerer
[06:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning
[06:21] <redtape|renegade> Wow wat a great slogan I just thought of for ubuntu .. "Good Mir~ning , where do you want to flourish today ?"
[06:23] <shauno> that's kinda '95 too eh?
[06:24] <redtape|renegade> shauno: The slogan , the sentiment , the verve, j-lennox, or just plain nuts ? Which one ya refering too ?
[06:25] <shauno> the slogan, instantly reminds me of win95's "where do you want to go today?"
[06:26] <redtape|renegade> oh yeah , surething .. but it really comes from here ::: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-Vni2BLBXA ::
[06:26] <redtape|renegade> bit old now .,. but ya right . we're always 5 years behind the buzzwords here ..
[06:35] <redtape|renegade> screw this .. I need a mocha :: BRBack.
[06:56] <redtape|renegade> shauno: Still there .. galwegian ?
[07:01] <redtape|renegade> I did get a nice off to go to Galway last week from this filly :: http://bit.ly/16Ny0Sk :: but maybe that's nsfw ?
[07:01] <redtape|renegade> **offer ..
[07:05] <redtape|renegade> Anyone have a raspi Pi ?  Here's a way to make into a real computer board (ITX-size)  ..  http://kck.st/11ZquR1
[07:10] <dwatkins> redtape|renegade: a Raspberry Pi is a real computer :-p
[07:10] <redtape|renegade> dwatkins: OK . OK .. lets not be pedantic !
[07:12] <dwatkins> hehe
[07:13] <dwatkins> I use mine as a media player, although I think that's a neat idea, as the connectors on the Pi are a little tricky with the fact they're not all along one side, redtape|renegade.
[07:13] <dwatkins> I also have another Pi at work that's essentially a temperature graphing server.
[07:13] <ali1234> that's a pretty neat idea
[07:14] <redtape|renegade> right , I see I see
[07:15] <ali1234> raspberry pi is not and never will be a real computer though
[07:15] <redtape|renegade> ali1234: Plz don't poke dwatkins .. he's not that pokeable.
[07:16] <dwatkins> ali1234: I know, I was kidding :)
[07:16] <dwatkins> you can use it as a desktop, but it's pretty cut-down
[07:18] <dwatkins> looks like that Fairywren has a VGA adapter too
[07:19] <dwatkins> considering the Pi uses ext4 and vfat filesystems, is it likely to suffer corruption if it gets switched off forcibly all the time whilst running Debian?
[07:20] <ali1234> yes
[07:20] <popey> morning
[07:20] <ali1234> especially if you use SD cards
[07:20] <MartijnVdS> \o
[07:21] <popey> hah, that itx pi is amusing
[07:21] <ali1234> the best solution would be to netboot it, but oh wait you can't
[07:21] <popey> 40 quid
[07:21] <popey> so that's what 30 quid for the pi, 40 quid for a board.
[07:21] <dwatkins> not too bad for the price
[07:21] <popey> how much does a low end itx board+cpu+ram go for/
[07:21] <ali1234> about the same
[07:21] <dwatkins> yeah, you can get a mini itx based PC for not much more
[07:22] <popey> http://linitx.com/category/fanless-motherboards/139
[07:22] <popey> yeah, not much
[07:22] <ali1234> those are much more powerful too
[07:28] <redtape|renegade> Just found my all time fav. game OST on C64 :: http://bit.ly/1aubYbT :: It plays in VLC and sold for £2 back then :: a total of £600,000 was sold.
[07:29] <dwatkins> SID files for teh win
[07:30] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[07:30] <dwatkins> I really like F-Zero, was playing it yesterday on a SNES emulator.
[07:30] <dwatkins> hoya brobostigon
[07:31] <dwatkins> hiya, perhaps, even...
[07:31] <brobostigon> morning dwatkins
[07:33] <dwatkins> I can reccomend not going out and dancing lots in Doc Martens. The dancing is fine, but doing it wearing DMs is a really bad idea.
[07:34] <redtape|renegade> dwatkins: Blisters ?
[07:39] <dwatkins> redtape|renegade: yeah, only the one, somewhat strangely, but it's turned the back of my ankle into a meteor crater
[07:39] <dwatkins> The wonders of modern medicine are helping - those Compeed plasters are pretty amazing
[07:43] <feisar_> good morning
[07:50] <SuperMatt> OW MY BRAINS http://www.draknek.org/games/BRICKbricksmashSMASH/
[07:50] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:51] <feisar_> hi
[07:51] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: yo, dawg
[07:55] <SuperMatt> hurrr
[07:56] <dwatkins> SuperMatt: that's very meta, I like it (but I can't play it this early in the morning)
[08:01] <ali1234> it's great except for the part where it gets stuck if mouse leaves the tiny game window because it is written in flash
[08:08] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: Thanks for the OpenERP 7 installation HOWTO, that blog post was very useful :)
[08:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> MartijnVdS: NP
[08:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> It is extremely popular
[08:09] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: Though it doesn't install a logrotate script, so the log file grows and grows forever
[08:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> Err, openERP should do that itself...
[08:10] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: it does? I've only been running it for 2 days, so I don't know :)
[08:10] <redtape|renegade> popey: Yur right, he simply hasn't a clue where it matters :: http://youtu.be/XTlj6VeQ9Cw?t=5m54s :: I'd only give that clip 30seconds.
[08:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> MartijnVdS: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5839635/
[08:11] <shauno> dwatkins: I fully recommend the DMs, and perhaps give the dancing a miss ;)
[08:11] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: Oh, cool. Didn't know it did that :)
[08:11] <popey> redtape|renegade: i agree with him.
[08:11] <MartijnVdS> OpenERP++
[08:12] <popey> redtape|renegade: it's up to individuals to choose whatever platform they want
[08:12] <popey> (in the context of that video)
[08:12] <redtape|renegade> fair enough.
[08:18] <redtape|renegade> popey, Just that part "Ubuntu has no inherent advantages over Winblows, that gets me , 'nuff said thou.
[08:19] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: it's called Windows.
[08:19] <redtape|renegade> MartijnVdS: I've called it winblows since 2004 .. why change ?
[08:20] <MartijnVdS> Why not call it by its proper name? Name-calling is so immature.
[08:20] <redtape|renegade> because i hate it.
[08:20] <MartijnVdS> It's way cooler (and easier ;)) to win the fight against it with good arguments and good code :)
[08:20] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: Why though? It has its uses..
[08:20] <shauno> we don't really need to ridicule msft anymore, they're doing a better job of sinking themselves
[08:21] <MartijnVdS> shauno: MICROS~1 is still reasonable though ;)
[08:21] <redtape|renegade> MartijnVdS: Perhaps I'm more GNU aware than you, but winblows is the reason for bug1 isn't it ?
[08:22] <shauno> bug 1 is fix-released  lol
[08:22] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: I'm very much aware of FSF and GNU and their goals, I just think that Windows gets some things right that Linux distros are having a hard time with
[08:23] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: whether you like it or not, the whole rollout/group policy/etc. stuff is pretty neat
[08:23] <BigRedS> AD/Exchange integration is basically exactly how that sort of thing should be done
[08:23] <mungbean> in theory
[08:23] <MartijnVdS> I'd love to see equivalent tech in Ubuntu (or other Linux) distros
[08:23] <redtape|renegade> As we say on LibrePlanet :: Many Bothand [have] died       .... for our freedom .. Why should I listen to the Gates Foundation instead of the Shuttleworth Foundation and give them credence ?
[08:24] <BigRedS> seemed to work pretty good when I last used it
[08:24] <mungbean> the practise is a sprawling estate of win servers that don't work very well and require regular reboots
[08:24] <MartijnVdS> Just as plug&play configurable
[08:24] <redtape|renegade> **Bothans..
[08:24] <BigRedS> mungbean: sprawling and not working very well is more a human problem than a technical one
[08:24] <BigRedS> the frequent reboots are a bit daft, but it's not that hard to work around them
[08:24] <mungbean> hm.. inclned to disagree
[08:25] <BigRedS> I should show you some of our 'clusters' :) They're definitely both of those, and entirely Linux :)
[08:25] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: daft and rebooty?
[08:25] <BigRedS> no, sprawling and not working very well
[08:25] <mungbean> following MS recommendations, instead of a couple of ldap server, you get 6 x DC, 4 x SQL , ADFS proxy, ADP, etc etc
[08:26] <BigRedS> Last time I checked it was only 2 DC and 2 SQL...
[08:26] <mungbean> PRM, FIM, ARS,
[08:26] <BigRedS> and everything else could be piled onto non-DC machines
[08:27] <hd5770> morning guyss
[08:29] <shauno> redtape|renegade: the simplest take as I see it, is that linux is 22 years old now.  it's left college, got a bloody haircut, and now it has to either put it's big-boy boots on, or sign on the dole.  childish name-calling is the wrong direction for that.  it might have got away with it when it was a spotty teenager, but it isn't anymore
[08:30] <redtape|renegade> shauno: Yur right| but I don't represent Linux ; never have.   .. I'm GNUdist .. In fact I'm naked now !
[08:30] <BigRedS> The Hurd lives!
[08:31] <redtape|renegade> !hurd
[08:31] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19980603
[08:31] <mungbean> i switch off every time i hear gnu, fsf, and the like
[08:31] <MartijnVdS> that's 15 years ago
[08:31] <shauno> you might wanna put your microkernel away in public, tbh
[08:32] <BigRedS> mungbean: hah, I do same with 'M$'
[08:32] <BigRedS> I don't think I've ever seen those two characters together in a paragraph that's gone on to make a good point
[08:32] <mungbean> i won $1M on the lottery
[08:32] <mungbean> or 1M$
[08:32] <BigRedS> I meant consecutively and in that order
[08:33] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: 1 millidollar?
[08:33] <mungbean> a Megadollar
[08:33] <BigRedS> Megadollar, surely?
[08:33] <redtape|renegade> BigRedS: Hurd dioes live   [ https://plus.google.com/communities/110254956620147236643  ]  but no-one is sharing much about it .
[08:33] <redtape|renegade> **does..
[08:34] <BigRedS> redtape|renegade: one of the guys at work runs a mirror
[08:34] <BigRedS> but amusingly I think the mirrors on Linux now :)
[08:34] <shauno> I may be stereotyping the GNU lot a little, but I'm not sure G+ would be the best place to measure the hurd userbase
[08:34] <redtape|renegade> really .  .. I did hasve a a/c but I didn't get very far .. my competance at hurd isn't that good.
[08:35] <BigRedS> I've never really found it an interesting enough proposition to even download it
[08:35] <shauno> I gave it a poke once or twice.  terrible hardware support, and I never did wrap my head around the concept of kernel-space servers
[08:35] <BigRedS> Hah, userfriendly.org still has CRT monitors
[08:35] <redtape|renegade> yeah.. I never got it going on 'mine'  ,.. I had to dial-in.
[08:35] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: that comic is from '98!
[08:35] <shauno> although I hear it supports SATA now!
[08:36] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: today's: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20130703
[08:36] <redtape|renegade> opening....
[08:37] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: they've been recycling for years now
[08:37] <BigRedS> Oh, fair enough. I was a bit bemused that it still seemed to be going on
[08:39] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Compliment Your Mirror Day! :-D
[08:40] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: ... uh?
[08:40] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, "Take a step back, and examine your reflection. This is you, the only you, and the best you there is. Compliment Your Mirror Day encourages you to recognise your own inner beauty, and to give yourself a great face-to-face prep talk!"
[08:40]  * BigRedS complements his mirror
[08:41] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: ones' complement?
[08:42] <redtape|renegade> OT  : I just found a solution to a problem we just had with all of the 'naming-issues' on IRC etc .. why not give a warning text with a link to explain ? i.e. Here .. http://www.uftoolbox.info/indirectotron/indirectotron.php    | Anyone heard of that before ?
[08:44] <JamesTait> BigRedS, it has been pointed out that the mirror probably doesn't care so much, and maybe it should be Compliment Your Reflection Day.
[08:45] <BigRedS> JamesTait: I did wonder :)
[08:45] <JamesTait> BigRedS, hey, I don't make these things up, I just pass them on. ;)
[08:46] <JamesTait> Also, it should be "pep" talk, not "prep" talk - I suspect the person who wrote the entry doesn't speak English as their first language.
[08:47] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:47] <JamesTait> But the image on the page is rather cute: http://www.daysoftheyear.com/days/compliment-your-mirror-day/
[08:47] <BigRedS> JamesTait: I thought you vetted them!
[08:48]  * DJones Grumbles at the state of 'pre-movie adverts' in the cinema
[08:49] <mungbean> it annoys me enough to not want to go DJones
[08:49] <JamesTait> BigRedS, while it's true that I do tend to prefer "celebration days" that have a supporting link, it doesn't go much further than that. ;)
[08:50] <JamesTait> DJones, mungbean, what annoys me more is those same adverts on the DVD, and not being able to skip them.
[08:50] <DJones> 32 minutes of adverts before the movie started and no mute/fast forward button on the remote
[08:50] <DJones> I paid to see the movie, not adverts
[08:50] <mungbean> i try to remain ad-free for my sanity
[08:51] <DJones> JamesTait: +1 to that, most of the time I wait for them to come on Sky so I can avoid the adverts
[08:52] <DJones> I'm almost tempted to write to the cinema and ask for a share of the adverting revenue as compensation for them wasting so much of my time
[08:57] <redtape|renegade> DJones: That's called 'BannersBrokers' in my line of work.
[09:00] <mungbean> has anyone come across the Xeon Phi coprocessor?
[09:01] <redtape|renegade> mungbean: wat GHz is that ?
[09:01] <popey> ooh, they look natty
[09:01] <mungbean> i got one
[09:01] <popey> playing on the "All intel" thing rather than being an nVidia GPU for computation
[09:02] <mungbean> allegedly doesn't require opencl/cuda ...but reading up on it
[09:03] <popey> can you use it for bitcoin mining? ☻
[09:03] <mungbean> one could.
[09:03] <MartijnVdS> ati is better than nvidia for mining
[09:03] <redtape|renegade> CPU mining, If I get that right .. it's hardly economical.
[09:04] <mungbean> i think research is more profitable than bc though
[09:04] <BigRedS> Every time anyone mentions bitcoin mining I picture A View To A Kill for some reason
[09:06] <redtape|renegade> I have to say i wish Ubuntu podcast had such an opening title .. One to wakey -you all up ! ::: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKfS2v6P-B8 ::::
[09:08] <mungbean> generally the coprocessor is only useful  if you have > 100 threads
[09:09] <JamesTait> redtape|renegade, to be honest, I find the UUPC title song (Crazy Words, Crazy Tune) more up-beat than the one you just linked. ;)
[09:10] <JamesTait> I'm not saying it's not a nice piece of music, but it's very chilled out, at least to me.
[09:11]  * redtape|renegade daren't touch such a sacrosanct topic.
[09:11] <popey> hah
[09:11] <popey> we get comments now and then about the theme
[09:12] <popey> its like marmite, you either love it or hate it
[09:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> What is (or is there) the procedure for copying/migrating usernames & passwords from one Ubuntu server to a new one?
[09:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> Can I just copy etc/password/shadow/group etc?
[09:12] <popey> http://serverfault.com/questions/19274/how-to-transfer-user-accounts-to-a-new-linux-machine
[09:12] <popey> seems sane
[09:12] <MartijnVdS> what are "Ubuntu 8" and "Ubuntu 9" though?
[09:12] <popey> i.e. covers all the bits
[09:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> ty popey - how on earth did you find that so fast?
[09:13] <JamesTait> popey, I love it. My wife thinks I'm insane.
[09:13] <popey> I R GOOD AT GOOGLE
[09:13] <popey> second hit for "migrate users between linux boxes"
[09:13] <JamesTait> popey, but I don't think that has anything to do with the UUPC theme tune. ;)
[09:13] <popey> heh
[09:14] <JamesTait> Or maybe it does, but has more to do with the little jig I do whenever I hear it. :-P
[09:14] <popey> oooookay
[09:14]  * popey steps away from JamesTait 
[09:14] <popey> that reminds me, its live show night
[09:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> So - there isn't likely to be an issue with a new server having a different "salt" for the password hasing then?
[09:14] <BigRedS> nah
[09:15] <BigRedS> whenever you play directly with passwd or shadow run 'pwconv' just to make sure you've not broken anything
[09:15] <popey> I'd also test with a demo user
[09:15] <popey> before doing it for real
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> vipw, vipw -s, vigr, vigr -s
[09:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-)
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> those check before writing the password/shadow/group files
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> like visudo does
[09:15] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: check *before* writing? Wuss.
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: no, check before replacing the current known-good version of the file ;)
[09:16] <JamesTait> TheOpenSourcerer, IIRC, the salt is stored as part of the passwd entry anyway, as is the hashing method.
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> it does a shiny write-to-tempfile; check; move (because move is atomic) trick
[09:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> Had a new customer wanting out help. They installed Ubuntu for their customer but didn't really know what they were doing. Installed Desktop instead of Server, wrong version, wrong arch... their customer wants it re-built. Said we can help - that was the only question I had
[09:17] <JamesTait> TheOpenSourcerer, I think it's something like <hash_method>$<salt>$<encoded_password>
[09:17] <BigRedS> JamesTait: yeah, that
[09:18] <BigRedS> well, depending on the value of hash_method...
[09:18] <MartijnVdS> man crypt
[09:18] <MartijnVdS> $id$salt$encrypted
[09:18] <MartijnVdS> id = 1 (md5), 2a (blowfish), 5 (sha256), 6 (sha512)
[09:20] <BigRedS> I'm sure there's an id that's not salted, but I might be thinking of a non-linux
[09:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> Like this suggestion to stop copying system users:
[09:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> awk -v LIMIT=$UGIDLIMIT -F: '($3>=LIMIT) && ($3!=65534)' /etc/passwd > /root/move/passwd.mig
[09:22] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: old-style crypted DES passwords are not of that format
[09:22] <BigRedS> yeah, I've a few-hundred-byte long oneliner for migrating select users somewhere
[09:22] <BigRedS> it's horrific but worked
[09:23] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: ah, that might be what I was thinking of
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[09:28] <popey> Meow!
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[09:28] <MartijnVdS> !family > bigcalm:
[09:28] <popey> hah
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[09:28] <bigcalm> Ack
[09:28] <bigcalm> My cat would like to say something I think
[09:28] <popey> i think he already did
[09:28] <bigcalm> Sorry :)
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> :)
[09:28] <HoT|2fC^> morning people :)
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> and cats
[09:29] <HoT|2fC^> and cats :)
[09:29] <HoT|2fC^> \o/
[09:29] <bigcalm> My cat likes # ;)
[09:29] <HoT|2fC^> morning bigcalm's #cat
[09:29] <HoT|2fC^> :>
[09:30] <redtape|renegade> Saw a cat on the landing last week .. then saw the same cat twice ! [Manx=matrix] :: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzlH5SDGoyA ::
[09:37] <shauno> the downside of being english .. I really want to say something, but won't because I can't think of a polite way to put it
[09:37] <mungbean> in here, or at work?
[09:37] <shauno> here this time.  work have got used to me.  the irish are quite accepting of blunt honesty
[09:38] <mungbean> i might be oblivious, but thats cos i have some users on ignore
[09:38] <shauno> or at least, they enjoy a good moan as much as we do
[09:39] <redtape|renegade> shauno : Why not put it in a WebLink/comment  via indirectotron ::: http://www.uftoolbox.info/indirectotron/indirectotron.php :::
[09:40] <BigRedS> redtape|renegade: make a webpage complaining, and then send someone a link to it that warns them there is a complaint therein?
[09:41] <redtape|renegade> BigRedS: Oh , was that the intention/ purpose ? I misread .. soz.
[09:41] <BigRedS> that seems a weird sort of service; it's so you can send someone something inappropriate without having to know whether they'd mind or not..
[09:43] <redtape|renegade> seems pretty perfect for me .. you can just 'comment' on a link , then do the extention in bit.ly .. they get a weblink and a comment about it's relevance, then.  obvious really.
[09:44] <redtape|renegade> a bit like the youtube links do .. a kind of 'heads-up' disclaimer. :)
[09:45] <shauno> you could just change your nick to RandomNonsense and skip the then-redundant redirection?
[09:46] <redtape|renegade> shauno: I don't get that .. but whatever fly's I guess.
[09:47] <BigRedS> redtape|renegade: yeah. I think I just don't like the idea of letting on that I didn't know whether the recipient would appreciate it or not
[09:47] <redtape|renegade> shauno: Any likelihood of you taking the railroads offer of 39EURO return to Dublin for a day's return , any time soon .. all over the radio , it seems.
[09:48] <shauno> unlikely, it's cheaper and faster on the bus with this new-fangled motorway thing
[09:49] <MartijnVdS> shauno: next thing you know  they'll start providing electricity and running water
[09:49] <redtape|renegade> BigRedS: Yah , but it's 'open-source' so you could just do it on another webpage : without the warning message .. so you could still do the heads-up.
[09:51] <shauno> eg, I'm doing that tonight.  bus to the airport at 1:45am.  by rail, I'd pay twice as much, and the last train leaves around 7pm
[09:51] <shauno> MartijnVdS: that'd be funny if it wasn't too close to home; I'm still struggling to find places that are on the mains gas supply here
[09:52] <redtape|renegade> shauno: Is this to another job .. as you talked of before ?
[09:52] <shauno> nah, purely recreational
[10:02] <mungbean> https://github.com/eholk/harlan
[10:02] <mungbean> high level language to utilise GPUs
[10:03] <mungbean> the only problem is that programs have the suffix .kfc..makes me hungry
[10:10] <bigcalm> :D
[10:10] <bashrc> Bitmessage fans: the CPU hogging bug is now fixed in the latest source
[10:11] <BigRedS> Oh. I appear to have Virtualbox and KVM working on the same kernel at the same time.
[10:11] <BigRedS> is that by design?
[10:13] <redtape|renegade> Right elevensee's mean only one thing ...  Daftpunk'd :: https://play.spotify.com/track/78NwNb2BPO7OKDYYRWB1WT ::
[10:13] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:14] <bashrc> Hi
[10:15] <redtape|renegade> Two site/s   I'm interested in atmo ..:: http://www.roomidex.com/  :: & :: http://breather.com/  .. maybe they need a looksie ..
[10:15] <bashrc> Daftpunk'd http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdLXF0KDXoo
[10:18] <redtape|renegade> bashrc : trés bien, my friend . trés bien.
[10:35] <Stripe> hi all, looking for a new laptop with ubuntu preinstalled, all ideas welcome
[10:37] <popey> Stripe: What kind laptop? Ultrabook / netbook / gaming / low res / high res ?
[10:38] <bigcalm> I <3 MODE 7
[10:38] <redtape|renegade> Stripe: https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/galu1
[10:40] <directhex> bigcalm, the super rudimentary scaling of a single 4-sided polygon, supported by the SNES graphics chip?
[10:40] <BigRedS> Is preinstalled ubuntu a requirement? It's not a difficult install, but I laud the principle
[10:40] <bigcalm> directhex: I did some of my best work in MODE 7 :P
[10:40] <Stripe> hi popey, about the i3 to i5 chip mid range laptop/ultrabook for general use light compiling.
[10:41] <directhex> Stripe, laptops with ubuntu preinstalled are typically more expensive than laptops with windows preinstalled, because the cost of the windows license is subsidized or paid for entirely by the companies providing all the "crapware" and demos which are installed by default on most windows laptops
[10:41]  * redtape|renegade finds the lack of system76 review in 'ubuntu friendly' deplorable !
[10:42] <redtape|renegade>                                           ^ https://friendly.ubuntu.com/
[10:42] <directhex> http://www.dell.com/uk/business/p/xps-13-linux/pd?sc_err=noocs ?
[10:43] <redtape|renegade> mmm .. only problem with dell is the 'service' .. its all call centers in Mumbai .
[10:43] <BigRedS> and Scotland
[10:43] <Stripe> directhex: thats the route I have always taken, removing windows etc but usualy find a driver issue lurking (with all linux)
[10:44] <redtape|renegade> System76 rocks !!
[10:44] <redtape|renegade> System76 rocks !!
[10:44] <BigRedS> redtape|renegade: I used to work in a Dell shop. If you get through to India and say that you can't understand them and would like a UK call centre they put you through to a less decipherable Scotsman.
[10:44] <redtape|renegade> System76 rocks !!
[10:44] <redtape|renegade> System76 rocks !!
[10:44] <directhex> redtape|renegade, dell have two major call centers serving the UK, india and ireland
[10:44] <directhex> generally, "business" laptops get ireland, and "consumer" laptops get india
[10:45]  * redtape|renegade has declared his pen·chant
[10:45] <directhex> redtape|renegade, system76 is a US company, importing laptops is *expensive*
[10:45] <redtape|renegade> price was never disclosed.
[10:45] <popey> Stripe: as directhex pointed out, the dell xps 13 ships with ubuntu and so everything works out of the box
[10:46] <BigRedS> redtape|renegade: no, but paying extra isn't normally viewed as a good thing :)
[10:46] <popey> i had a play with one a while back, they're very nice machines
[10:46] <directhex> redtape|renegade, it's nice to get warranty service in the country in which you live, not 3000 miles away
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> A bit on the expensive side though..
[10:46] <popey> yeah, true
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> not for what you get (you get a lot)
[10:46] <Stripe> it is you alan, im a member on ldc
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> but still, it's not a low-end laptop
[10:46] <popey> Stripe: i ended up with a thinkpad
[10:46] <popey> hello Stripe ☻
[10:47] <directhex> removing windows is harder than it used to be
[10:47] <popey> there are also smaller vendors who sell laptops with no OS
[10:47] <popey> like Novatech
[10:47] <directhex> there are a variety of mechanisms in place on modern hardware to make it boot faster to the default OS - which windows takes full advantage of. downside: harder to get it to boot an alternative OS installer
[10:48] <popey> Unfortunately there's very little markup on hardware, especially laptops, so there's very little motivation for companies to setup in the UK and sell laptops.
[10:49] <popey> Dell make next to no profit on their hardware
[10:49] <mungbean> for myself i buy from dell outlet
[10:49] <mungbean> best prices around
[10:49] <Stripe> thanks for the advice help links and names guys, know where to start looking now :)
[10:49] <mungbean> still rocking my 5yr+ D630
[10:49] <popey> yeah, dell outlet.. also apple outlet ㋛
[10:50] <mungbean> is apple outlet cheaper than education discount ?
[10:50] <popey> http://store.apple.com/uk/browse/home/specialdeals/mac
[10:50] <popey> no idea
[10:50] <mungbean> still, apple + edu discount still $$
[10:50] <popey> ~15% off
[10:51] <mungbean> i get ~30 off dell business stuff
[10:51] <mungbean> sorta hard to ignore at those prices
[10:51] <popey> yeah
[10:53] <mungbean> gonna have to install elementary on my lappie as unity is now too slow
[10:53] <mungbean> ~15 seconds for dash
[10:55] <popey> 15 seconds for what?
[10:55] <popey> between hitting win key and dash appearing?
[10:55] <mungbean> to open the dash
[10:55] <mungbean> yeah
[10:55] <mungbean> 12.04 on a core2duo
[10:55] <popey> intel gpu?
[10:55] <mungbean> yes
[10:55] <popey> turned off blur?
[10:55] <mungbean> runs other things fine though
[10:55] <mungbean> nope
[10:55] <popey> do that
[10:55] <mungbean> ok
[10:55] <mungbean> ta
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> popey: is that's what causing that?
[10:56] <popey> in ccsm
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> it's slow even on Haswell(!)
[10:56] <popey> its one thing that makes dash appearance slow, yes
[10:56] <mungbean> 2nd time its quick
[10:56] <popey> it often gets swapped out too
[10:56] <popey> which doesn't help at all
[10:56] <popey> which also makes 2nd go much faster
[10:56] <popey> once it all gets swapped in
[10:57] <mungbean> should probably turn off all the scopes too
[10:58] <popey> i turn off the online ones
[10:58] <feisar_> I have found ubuntu 13.04 unusable on machines without 3d graphics acceleration
[10:59] <popey> hah, i visit the apple store, instantly get an email about laptops for students
[10:59] <feisar_> as mungbean says, about 15 seconds to bring the dash up)
[10:59] <popey> what video card?
[11:00] <feisar_> I don't think Ubuntu is a viable choice for netbooks and older laptops any more
[11:01] <BigRedS> Nah, it doesn't seem to degrade particularly gracefully
[11:01] <feisar_> I don't know which card but it has been 3 different devices so far, 2 laptops and 1 netbook (friends who needed upgrading)
[11:01] <mungbean> i installed a really nice indicator search for synapse. does everything the dash should do, but quickly
[11:01] <mungbean> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4e6YWJHnY4
[11:02] <feisar_> it's a shame because they have to either stay with 12.04 or use xubuntu (I like xubuntu but its not good if a novice has got used to Ubuntu)
[11:02] <mungbean> i attribute all slowness and hideousness to compiz
[11:02] <mungbean>  Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X3100 (integrated)
[11:07] <redtape|renegade> OT : •••ɐılɐɹʇsn∀ uı 'ǝlıɥʍuɐǝW   http://bit.ly/12F5p1m
[11:07] <feisar_> I really like ubuntu 13.04 on my desktop but I do think there needs to be a version which has no 3D stuff at all
[11:08] <feisar_> similar to the way Win7 works fine on low powered machines
[11:08] <bashrc> I notice that there are still 15 minute bootup hangs on my Lenovo Z580, but it's intermittent and I can live with it.
[11:08] <mungbean> i think they wrote lvmpipe for faster performance on slower boxes
[11:09] <feisar_> I have not seen any evidence that it's working
[11:09] <feisar_> does it not just offload to cpu?
[11:09] <bashrc> On old hardware Puppy linux is pretty good.  It just depends what your uses are.
[11:11] <mungbean> elementary ftw
[11:30] <redtape|renegade> TheOpenSourcerer: Seems to be topical at the moment :: https://twitter.com/JOEdotie/status/352374758979022852 ::
[11:30] <andylockran> hey guys, having problems with a ufw rule.  I want to add a PREROUTING iptables rule, but it's breaking ufw
[11:32] <andylockran> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5840045
[11:32] <andylockran> any clue what could be wrong with the syntax?\
[11:36] <redtape|renegade> OT: I can't wait till SpaceCop comes out :: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X_miar-0OY :: Would make an Uber G/Linux game.
[11:49] <redtape|renegade> Cost of new stickers of Official Wikipedia Store =$5 , oh + Postage = $15 .. Go sit and spin Mr Wales !! ::: http://bit.ly/14Q4Ksy :::
[11:56] <redtape|renegade> burnpanck: wake up yur connection is all over the place.
[12:04] <mungbean> andylockran: i onlu use iptables, but -j DNAT --to 89.31.233.121:587 looks wrong to me
[12:06] <mungbean> iptables uses --to-destination
[12:07] <mungbean> for DNAT
[12:27] <redtape|renegade> OT : Is it just me, or is this blgd. pr0n perfect for a Quake map ? ::: http://cnet.co/17TcuA9   :::
[12:28] <redtape|renegade> leaves.
[12:59] <mungbean> oracle request a suport bundle so they can get proof of failed disk. click to generate bundle, asks for SR ticket name. click canel as i've changed my mind. goes ahead anyway, node crashes and reboot 4 times in succession.
[13:28] <mungbean> wow, the phi processors cost £2500 each. bought 4
[13:45] <redtape|renegade> OT : Has anyone played Linux Tycoon Here ?
[13:48] <directhex> mungbean, i can't believe xeon phi finally shipped. i remember them canning the project in 2010
[14:03] <popey> redtape|renegade: i have
[14:04] <redtape|renegade> popey: Finally got it to work today .. couldn't find the access code to get above 500 users.  Wats the name of your distro on LT ?
[14:06] <popey> redtape|renegade: i only played with it for 5 mins tbh
[14:06] <popey> it feels very like Progress Quest
[14:07] <BigRedS> What's everyone's favourite jabber client for android?
[14:07] <BigRedS> (free)
[14:07] <directhex> google talk!
[14:07] <directhex> oh, wait
[14:08] <BigRedS> haha
[14:16] <MattJ100> BigRedS, Yaxim
[14:23] <BigRedS> MattJ100: ta!
[14:24] <BigRedS> ah, multiple accounts is a bit of a necessity
[14:27] <MattJ100> That could be a problem then :)
[14:27] <BigRedS> haha, yeah
[14:27] <redtape|renegade> OT :: MongoDB ebooks are 50%  atmo.   http://oreil.ly/12GE76v
[14:27] <MattJ100> Yaxim is the only open-source and actively-developed Android client I know
[14:27] <BigRedS> and I'm also not sure what they mean with these accounts they're selling... Do they have a server they sell access to?
[14:28] <redtape|renegade> **off .. same thing I guess.
[14:28] <MattJ100> BigRedS, ehm?
[14:28] <BigRedS> MattJ100: http://yaxim.org/blog/2013/04/01/yaxim-going-professional/
[14:28] <MattJ100> Oh, ha :P
[14:28] <MattJ100> He said he might take that down, look at the date :)
[14:28] <BigRedS> ha!
[14:29] <BigRedS> *finally* I've fallen for an online april fool's :)
[14:29] <MattJ100> You're not the first person to miss that though :)
[14:29] <czajkowski> hmmm
[14:29] <czajkowski> I seem to have missed a setting
[14:29] <czajkowski> on chromium I ma mising my menu bar on top
[14:29] <popey> a setting?
[14:30] <czajkowski> no file history on top
[14:30] <popey> maybe the menu bar process has crashed?
[14:30] <czajkowski> no it's not been there since the clean install
[14:30] <czajkowski> just noticed nowd
[14:30] <czajkowski> *now
[14:31] <czajkowski> I thought it was the title bar
[14:31] <czajkowski> but that is ticked
[14:31] <popey> only chromium is affected?
[14:32] <czajkowski> yup
[14:32] <czajkowski> works finre on a terminal
[14:32] <czajkowski> and on thunderbird
[14:32] <czajkowski> wondering is it a setting I've not turned on :/
[14:32] <czajkowski> hmmm
[14:34] <popey> do you have "Use system title bars and borders" in chromium set?
[14:34] <popey> and GTK+ theme?
[14:37] <czajkowski> yup
[14:37] <czajkowski> nboth selected
[14:37] <czajkowski> http://ubuntuone.com/40K393D9IXerRE2jUY39rv
[14:39] <popey> what happens when you press and hold alt?
[14:40] <czajkowski> pressing alt in chromium brings up hud
[14:42] <Laney> doesn't have menus here either
[14:42] <Laney> is it suppsoed to?
[14:42] <czajkowski> yes
[14:42] <popey> not press
[14:42] <popey> hold
[14:43] <popey> you guys must be on saucy, it's fine on raring
[14:43] <czajkowski> yeah on saucy :)
[14:43] <Laney> I thought they were under the icon on the right
[14:43] <czajkowski> saucy on the X1
[14:43] <popey> what version of chromium?
[14:43] <popey> Version 28.0.1500.52 Ubuntu 13.04 (28.0.1500.52-0ubuntu1.13.04.2)
[14:43] <czajkowski> Version 25.0.1364.160 Built on Ubuntu 13.04, running on Ubuntu 13.10 (25.0.1364.160-0ubuntu3)
[14:44] <popey> have you updated today?
[14:44] <czajkowski> ahhh maybe I should force it to upgrade also
[14:44] <popey> perhaps it needs a restart
[14:44] <czajkowski> nope
[14:44] <Laney> what's it suppsoed to look like with menus?
[14:45] <popey> like normal apps
[14:45] <popey> you know, menus along the top of the screen
[14:46] <popey> File Edit View History Tools Help
[14:50] <mungbean> directhex: wasn't it called larrabee then?
[14:50] <directhex> yes
[14:51] <mungbean> hope to spin it up soon, intersted to seer the performance
[14:52] <Laney> just the same for me on precise
[14:52]  * Laney shrugs
[14:52] <Laney> no wait, LIES, it does have menus there
[14:54] <andylockran> ssh sauron
[14:54] <mungbean> one does not simply ssh into mordor
[14:56] <BigRedS> Does ubuntu have a default IM client any more? I seem to not have pidgin in a new 13.04 install
[15:01] <HoT|2fC^> Anyone here used Kali Linux ?
[15:02] <popey> never heard of it
[15:02] <HoT|2fC^> popey, really?
[15:02] <HoT|2fC^> it's the most advanded Linux operating system known to man!
[15:02] <HoT|2fC^> You should to be honest ;)
[15:03] <HoT|2fC^> Also the best Live Linux to this day.
[15:03] <mungbean> ..waits for punchline
[15:03] <popey> oh, pen testing distros
[15:03]  * HoT|2fC^ punches mungbean in the jacobs...
[15:04] <redtape|renegade> HoT|2fC^:  If it's that popular: then where on the net can I buy a sisc with Kali on ?
[15:04] <redtape|renegade> **disc
[15:04] <HoT|2fC^> redtape|renegade, well its new mate.
[15:04] <HoT|2fC^> Download > Burn to ISO ?
[15:05] <redtape|renegade> Answer the freakin' question, or admit defeat.
[15:05] <HoT|2fC^> redtape|renegade \o/... well could you of answerd that question when Ubuntu was first released ?
[15:05] <HoT|2fC^> I guess not.
[15:06] <DJones> !kali | HoT|2fC^
[15:06] <DJones> redtape|renegade: Mind your language
[15:06] <redtape|renegade> soz, I was irked.
[15:06] <HoT|2fC^> redtape|renegade, told!
[15:07] <HoT|2fC^> Thanks DJones.
[15:07] <DJones> redtape|renegade: Thats when you know to walk away from the computer and have a break
[15:08] <DJones> popey: kali is the latest release of Backtrack
[15:08]  * redtape|renegade goes for a pillow snuggle .. http://youtu.be/0929WN8lWaU?t=1m44s
[15:08] <HoT|2fC^> DJones, indeed.
[15:09] <HoT|2fC^> redtape|renegade, enjoy!
[15:10] <HoT|2fC^> Never ever in my life DJones known a Linux Distro to be 2.3GB in file size, is this due to me getting the Desktop Version? as I know my uncle used it on a Pendrive but not sure what version he used.
[15:11] <DJones> HoT|2fC^: No idea with kali, not something I've wasted any time looking at
[15:13] <HoT|2fC^> DJones: Ah well if you get to waste any give it ago ;p
[15:14] <mungbean> i use backtrack semi regularly
[15:14] <DJones> HoT|2fC^: I'm not an IT professional, I don't do penetration testing etc,  so it doesn't offer anything that Ubuntu does
[15:15] <HoT|2fC^> DJones, I suppose Im not IT professional either but I like to explore! and Ubuntu offers almost everything I need anyway.
[15:16] <shauno> 2.3GB isn't too bad, debian still has an option to ship on 8 CDs
[15:16] <HoT|2fC^> I just like to test, persides it has hacking tools built in ;) its for hackers really.
[15:16] <HoT|2fC^> I shouldnt discuss it anyway as its not good!
[15:16] <HoT|2fC^> shauno, jheeez thats crazy lol what are they floppie discs ;)
[15:17] <DJones> From memory, 2.3Gb isn't bad, slackware comes in at more than that
[15:17] <HoT|2fC^> I suppose..
[15:54] <mungbean> has anyone seen "BUG: soft lockup - CPU#26 stuck for 67s!
[15:59] <directhex> in virtual machines only
[15:59] <mungbean> got on a physical box
[15:59] <mungbean> couldn't do anything
[15:59] <mungbean> watched it for 15 mins and rebooted
[16:14] <MartijnVdS> I've seen it once.. that was on broken hardware
[16:14] <MartijnVdS> popped caps :(
[17:03] <Oscar_> Hello?
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> Lionel Richie?
[17:04] <Oscar_> Hello?
[17:05] <MartijnVdS> ♫ is it me you're looking for?
[17:06] <MartijnVdS> !ask
[18:05] <MartijnVdS> diplo: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00AC53F4G/ + http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00AK6ROE4
[18:22] <redtape|renegade> OT : Just watching this video :: http://elproblema.net/ :: Came in the post today .. who needs TV crud when you have realism of the Saharawi People ?
[18:25] <redtape|renegade> !africa
[18:25] <redtape|renegade> yeah thought not '!africa' ain't even on the 'Ubuntu map' in reality.
[18:26] <mgdm> That's a remarkable statement given where Mark Shuttleworth is from, and where the word 'Ubuntu' came from
[18:27] <redtape|renegade> so's that : <luotu.> Sorry, I don't know anything about 'africa'
[18:27] <redtape|renegade> **lubotu
[18:32] <redtape|renegade> Where is the source for Lubotu3 held ?
[18:33] <DJones> !bot | redtape|renegade The first link gives info on what the Ubuntu bots are created from,
[18:33] <DJones> Sorry, second link
[18:34] <redtape|renegade> Ahh .. perhaps I shouldn't be touching any nerves this close to the UbuntuUK podcast  .. oh thanx.
[18:37] <redtape|renegade> mm last change to the wiki was last year .. but I think I will subscribe, if I can .. http://ubottu.com/devel/mwiki/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=300
[18:38] <redtape|renegade> lets give it a try .. just once ..
[18:39] <redtape|renegade> !tonyyarusso
[18:39] <redtape|renegade> !king
[18:39] <redtape|renegade> .. mm v.good.
[19:30] <redtape|renegade> come on podcast : get it on !  : http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org:8000/uupc.mp3 ::
[19:36] <DJones> Ouch, after complaining about adverts in the cinema, now we get http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23167112 rest your head against a train window & have adverts vibrated into your skull :)
[19:37] <mgdm> that is evil
[20:05] <mungbean> OCD vs messy person programme. OCD guy is banging on about balance and symmetry, but has a tattoo on the inside of his rigth wrist only
[20:51] <diddledan> damn you, humble bundle, will you quit giving me stuff I'm never going to get around to playing/reading?!
[20:59] <redtape|renegade> be that dan woods ?
[21:03] <diddledan> nope, dan llewellyn - just imagine loo followed by some incoherence and you'll have it perfectly
[21:13] <diddledan> time to sleep
[21:26] <andylockran> evening peoples
[21:26] <andylockran> my home pc has now just become a terminal; is that progress?
[21:40] <popey> evening all
[21:41] <mgdm> Hi popey
[21:41] <mgdm> Anyone heard anything more about Oggcamp this year?
[21:41] <mgdm> Other than when it is
[21:42] <popey> not i
[21:43] <mgdm> there are three events I care about attending in the latter half of the year, that's one of them
[21:45] <popey> I probably wont be going
[21:46] <mgdm> :(
[22:06] <bigcalm> Getting married the following weekend probably means I won't be attending oggcamp either. Though RAT in September and PHPNW13 in October will get me out of the house
[22:07] <mgdm> bigcalm: I have a PHPNW13 ticket \o/
[22:07] <bigcalm> \o/
[22:07] <mgdm> I want this: http://imgur.com/a/TP47h
[22:08] <bigcalm> Heh
[22:08] <bigcalm> Sleepy time!
[22:09] <mgdm> g'night
[22:52] <mgdm> popey: did you have a Nook Simple, or am I thinking of someone else?