[03:54] morning [06:44] morning [06:45] hi HawkiesZA superfly and others [06:45] Morning Kilos [06:45] morning Kilos [06:52] hi tonberryE352 [06:57] hi Vince-0 [07:00] hi [07:12] morning [08:06] goeie more [08:07] Dagsê inetpro [08:09] môre inetpro [08:09] hi Vince-0, Squirm [08:17] goedenmorgen inetpro [08:17] hi HawkiesZA [08:17] hi superfly [08:17] hi Vince-0 [08:18] hi inetpro psyatw Squirm [08:31] morning all [08:34] hi ThatGraemeGuy [08:34] hi Kilos [08:34] hi ThatGraemeGuy [08:48] hi Spaceghost === Spaceghost is now known as Guest32183 [09:44] yaawn is it only Wednesday [09:44] lol ya [09:44] sposed to be the best day [09:45] youve recovered from weekend and planning the next one === Guest32183 is now known as Spaceghost [10:45] hi Xethron [10:49] sorry, puleed modem instead of eth cable [10:49] pulled [12:06] stupid android iso spends its time detecting android by making pages of dots on the screen but dont get to any partitioning or anything [13:43] android ..... ISO? o_O [13:48] ah android x86 [13:48] last time i tried that it was veeery flaky [13:49] seems better now === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [13:54] * Trixar_za shivers [13:54] IIS [13:54] i dont understand what its trying to do [13:54] hi Trixar_za [13:54] Hey Kilos [13:54] I think Trixar_za just killed a kitten for mentioning that thing [13:55] Yeah, I saw it on the mailing list [13:55] We get Apache HTTPd with .NET extensions on Windows, why would you want to use that insecure mess? :P [13:56] because they don't know of any better [14:02] Superhuman, please just tell me again how to let the tablet use my pcs 3g connection [14:04] Ok, get a wifi router (or wifi modem, but they are more expensive ). Connect the router to the pc via LAN cable, and use the pc as the gateway. You can setup dhcp on either the wifi router, or via the pc. [14:04] Gateway setup can be done via IPTables Masquerading. [14:05] basically packet forwarding by the firewall. [14:05] i have it and it connects to pc with eth cable [14:05] i dont know how to do anything on the router [14:06] but pc shows its connected [14:07] Ok basically, the easiest would be dhcp setup on the pc. So that when the tablet connects to wifi, it gets assigned an IP by the dhcp server (pc) [14:07] Ubuntu pc? [14:07] i didnt get a book with it and the online manual link dont work [14:07] yip 12.04 [14:08] What make and model is the wifi? [14:08] Ok Guide to setup for dhcp server: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-and-configure-dhcp-server-in-ubuntu-server.html [14:09] billion 7300 nx [14:09] ty [14:09] I'm assuming the problem is the wifi router setup, correct? [14:10] i know nothing about it, ive setup my nm to do dhcp automatic [14:11] nm? [14:11] tablet sees it but cant use the 3g connection [14:11] network manager [14:11] ah ok. [14:11] let me see what that link says [14:11] something we can try, on the tablet settings for wifi connections, set the gateway to the pcs ip. [14:11] i might have to install something here [14:12] Maybe we're lucky and the ip the billion has is the same range as the pcs. [14:12] where do you find these settings [14:13] Ok, this is going to complicate things...lets get into the billion, and do the setup correctly. [14:14] tomorrow is fine if you prefer [14:14] anytime tomorrow [14:15] you near hometime now arent you [14:15] I'm leaving work at 16:30. But I'll log in from home at around 18:00. [14:15] I wonder if you use the free data before your real data or if it's afterwards like the free airtime [14:15] I got an sms that with every R50 recharged they give you 50 free sms and 50MB data [14:15] thats fine ty Superhuman [14:16] what isp Trixar_za [14:16] 8ta [14:16] i dont get that free stuff [14:16] Same 7 day deal [14:17] and add R150 at a time [14:17] Which is really just 6 days [14:17] :P [14:17] Kilos: Docs for the router - http://issuu.com/fanusvanstraten/docs/billion-bipac-7300nx-router [14:17] ty Superhuman [14:18] what is your lan ip for the pc? [14:18] i dunno anymore [14:18] Maaz: remind me about http://issuu.com/fanusvanstraten/docs/billion-bipac-7300nx-router page 27 [14:18] Superhuman: Excuse me? [14:19] Kilos: ifconfig in command line, look for eth0 or eth1. [14:20] inet address is 10.42.0.1 [14:20] mmm, is there a reason for being set to that (to use on another network or something) [14:20] ? [14:21] nope thats what it did when i installed [14:21] use to have 192.168. o.0 i think [14:22] Ok, can you set it to 192.168.1.1 for this? It will make things LOADS better. So that the pc has a static IP. [14:22] ok ill do that in nm [14:23] cool. That's for the LAN cable connection, so we know how/where to connect to. [14:23] That will be the gateway IP the tablet uses when it connects. [14:23] gateway the same [14:24] ? [14:24] no gateway address...I think...maybe 127.0.0.1 [14:24] will put that in [14:25] ok done i restart everything before you come on tonight [14:28] ok cool. [14:28] i dunno how to download that manual [14:29] I'm trying now, but it's taking forever. I'll check on the download later, and share a new link with you. [14:29] ok ty [14:29] Ok, I'm off for now. Will be back at 6. [14:30] later [14:30] Kilos: Take a look at Page 27 on the doc (online reader). We will need to reset the wifi router to factory settings, so we can get into it via the browser on the pc. [14:31] the red box explains how to reset it to factory settings. [14:31] ok ty [15:13] oh my something evil happened to my 12.04 unity [15:13] cand even apt-get update [15:14] cant [15:14] xchat pidgin email all can get online [15:15] something in that first command in the first link i got from Superhuman [15:16] im on kde now to see if its easily fixable or if its easier to reinstall [15:17] * Trixar_za sighs [15:17] a bunch of updates [15:20] Trixar_za: can i bug ya [15:20] Yeah [15:20] I'm just updating sakis3g in the background [15:21] what was the first link Superhuman gave me please [15:21] They had an update on the 10th of last month [15:21] i want to remove whatever that first command installed [15:21] who [15:21] oh [15:22] so they going again [15:22] something about dn something server [15:23] [16:09:04] [Superhuman] Ok Guide to setup for dhcp server: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-and-configure-dhcp-server-in-ubuntu-server.html [15:23] That link? [15:24] ya that first command did something bad to my pc [15:24] to my unity anyway [15:24] ty [15:27] Added devices: Nokia CS-12, Alcatel-Lucent T930S, Axesstel MV241, Pantech UML290, Huawei E3131 (Variant), Huawei U2800 Phone, Huawei GP02 (E587 Variant), KDDI (Huawei) HWD12 LTE, Novatel MC996D, Axesstel MU130, ZTE MF656A, MF668A, MF669, Onda MT8205 LTE, ZTE MF680, ZTE MF196, BandRich BandLuxe C508, Alcatel L100V, Explay Slim, Onda TM201 14.4 (TIM Italy), Onda WM301, D-Link DWM-156 (several new variants), D-Link DWR-510, Mediatek MT6229, Chang [15:27] hong CH690, WeTelecom WM-D200; several new target IDs for Sierra, Huawei and ZTE; fix for WeTelecom WM-D300; [15:27] I sense a lot of swearing in my future === jeandre is now known as theblazehen [15:29] wbb [15:29] i go try fix unity [15:34] 24 files - not as bad as last time [15:48] evening all [15:48] hello :) [15:49] * Cantide is watching last night's ubuntu-on-air [16:05] * not_found stretches and yawns as another night shift starts === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [16:16] Maaz: tell Kilos I'm here, sorry about breaking unity. [16:16] Superhuman: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode [16:18] unity is dead... it is no more... [16:18] maybe the install for the dhcp server broke something... [16:20] unity is dead? [16:20] what about unity 8? [16:23] unity 8 is in space... Mir to be exact :p [16:26] :p [16:26] it's coming... [16:26] as is Christmas.. [16:28] and winter [16:28] :D [16:33] winter is here '-';;; [16:33] but yeah, i think we really need to wait for 14.04 to see what it'll be like [16:33] 13.10 will run Mir by default, but i don't expect it to be a smooth experience [16:34] watch this: http://ubuntuonair.com/ [16:43] 13.10 will be running XMir if I am not mistaken... [16:44] ah [16:44] xmir :p [16:44] right [16:44] i was a bit confused by what i said, and i started looking for more info >.< [16:45] wait.. [16:45] lazy link - http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/06/mir-display-server-to-ship-default-in-ubuntu-13-10 [16:45] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/06/mir-display-server-to-ship-default-in-ubuntu-13-10?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+d0od+%28OMG!+Ubuntu!%29 [16:45] unity 7 running on xmir [16:45] oh yeah [16:45] same link [16:45] mine just has rss info in it [16:46] :p [16:46] but read the article [16:46] "But while Mir and XMir will be shipping in October’s release by default, not everyone will be able to use it." [16:46] it implies both Mir and XMir will be running [16:46] doesn't quite make sense -.- [16:46] so i am confused -.- [16:46] read whole article and it doesn't mention mir once... only xmir and normal x for fallback [16:46] oh oh oh [16:46] no no [16:46] afaik [16:47] it is running Mir [16:47] but because Unity 7 was written for X [16:47] XMir must be used to provide Unity 7 [16:47] maybe i'm misunderstanding, but that's really the impression i get [16:47] but still with xmir in bewteen.... seems like [16:48] no native mir / unity 8 [16:48] I have been following this and the whole wayland debacle and can't make head or tales of it still.... [16:48] yeah [16:48] well, when unity 8 is ready then it will be much better [16:49] but that will probably be for 14.04 only [16:49] what exactly mir / wayland does still confuses me (one thing I read still has x doing most of the work and mir / wayland not so much) [16:49] I thought x would be replaced completely but doesn't seem so [16:49] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_server [16:49] oh [16:50] i think x will be replaced completely, but it will take some time [16:50] it's a huge piece of software that does many things [16:50] so to replace it isn't easy [16:50] i think that's why we have new software coming through, but providing compatibility (XMir) for programs written for X [16:51] until all programs have been written for the new display servers we're bound to encounter X and / or compatibility layers [16:52] then mir is in trouble as no other project seems to care about it ... it is all wayland currently... except if canonical will make all apps compatible [16:52] XMir is just a driver for X, so X can run on Mir [16:53] for now, Mir is a system-level compositor [16:53] tumbleweed to the rescue :) [16:54] not_found, i'm not sure about that - Mir has different goals to Wayland - it's just that Wayland is targeting pretty much everything and suits a broader market [16:54] Mir may be ideal for many others, but it needs to mature first [16:55] sounds exciting and greek... [16:56] Mir and Wayland have very similar goals, as far as I can see [16:56] just slightly different implementation [16:56] and Mir (at least initially) will only have X and Unity on top of it [16:56] unless Mir takes off [16:57] i thought Mir was going for the streamlined approach - only offering so much as is needed for Ubuntu (Touch) [16:57] and that Wayland was trying to cater to everything and operating systems in general [16:57] yes [16:58] although, the Mir people seem to be keen for people to start using Mir [16:59] so that any requirements non-Unity clients have can be dealt with before the design stabilises too much [17:01] oh, that makes a lot of sense :) [17:01] chatting to 민아 now... so kinda AFK >.< [17:07] well I will watch form the side lines and see... [17:09] yeah, me, too [17:09] i'd love to try out Unity 8 [17:09] and see what it's like [17:25] * not_found installed Fedora 19 this afternoon, not much time to play with it yet [17:30] 280mb of updates right of the bat... but a big chunk was libreoffice related [17:36] evening all. what a schlep [17:37] even the remastersys dvd took three installs before it eventually got to rebooting [17:37] im just making a sarmy [17:42] o/ uncle Kilos [17:42] yo not_found [17:43] pc problems uncle Kilos? [17:44] the installing must be pc related yeah not_found but i reinstalled because installing some server thing broke everything from going online [17:44] grrr [17:45] but going now again [17:45] good luck [17:46] sorry about that Kilos [17:46] wasnt you man Superhuman [17:46] i musta done something wrong [17:47] lol the fly always tells me dont follow instructions on the net [17:48] mmm, then we should rather use the router as the dhcp server... [17:48] i cant even read or download that manual [17:48] whew [17:49] must you register there before you can read it? [17:50] bbl [17:50] no, I could read without issues. but my download failed at work [17:51] actually when i got online there i only saw that book in the centre of the page [17:52] yeah, loading takes a while, then you should be able to read it [17:52] and when i ticked on it i got funny windows moving around on the screen so dunno if drive got sick then or some weird thing in that site [17:52] how does one download it? [17:53] i dunno why they dont show a download button [17:53] need to login to download [17:53] aha [17:54] the page was black and i couldnt even read where to type in what to register [17:57] to reset the router, hold the reset button for 6 seconds...then we continue from there [17:58] ok i have connected it yet even but will do that after reset [17:58] should be powered for reset. [18:02] Kilos: let me know when it's connected on the lan and reset. [18:05] damn, I hope I didn't break his pc again. [18:08] wb Kilos [18:08] eish that router disconnects my 3g [18:08] ty [18:08] eish [18:08] maybe remove tge [18:08] remove what? [18:09] remove the gateway stuff from your eth connection. [18:10] that might be the cause of the disconnects [18:10] nm shows everything as default settings [18:11] jnothing added [18:11] ok [18:12] is it resetting thats done something now [18:12] oh my oh my [18:12] evening Kilos Superhuman [18:12] hi magespawn [18:12] is it connected atm? [18:12] no [18:12] had to disconnect [18:12] hi megaspawn [18:13] i can try again [18:13] haha megaspawn [18:13] he grew some [18:13] i go connect eth again [18:14] Kilos: can you paste your ifconfig output for me in pvt please [18:18] nope it stops everything working online [18:18] need 4lb hammer [18:18] Kilos: can you paste your ifconfig output for me in pvt please === Kilos- is now known as Kilos [18:19] ok [18:21] ok, output for 'netstat -rn' please [18:23] you see them Superhuman ? [18:23] jip, thanks [18:23] whew [18:24] thought that was bust as well [18:24] maybe the router needs to reboot [18:25] ok, lets try setup the lan ip, as 192.168.1.1 with nothing as a gateway. [18:25] and no dns... [18:25] ok [18:25] so just ip, broadcast and netmask [18:26] ok [18:26] that should give u an ip on the eth0 otput... [18:27] i have to go manual in nm to do that [18:27] lets reboot the router, and cnnect it up gain on the lan cable. [18:28] damn keyboard misses keys.. [18:28] netmask same as gateway? [18:28] no, should be 255.255.255.0 [18:29] i dont see netmask block [18:29] broadcast 192.168.1.0 [18:29] leave it out the . [18:29] *then [18:29] oh thats where you enter 24 and it does the 3255 bit [18:31] broadcast is 192.168.1.255 [18:31] my bad [18:31] i dont see broadcast i see gateway [18:31] leave gateway blank [18:32] so then i just do ip and netmask [18:33] jip [18:33] ok [18:33] after that, you can try to ping 192.168.1.1 [18:33] should get a response for it. [18:34] nope [18:35] thats now my ip aint it [18:36] yes. you should see it on ifconfig [18:37] nope need to restart nm dont i [18:37] shouldn't have to, but might work [18:43] looks like nm isn't taking the settings for eth0... [18:43] the router aint connected [18:44] no listing for eth0 in ifconfig? [18:44] ya [18:44] but no ip [18:44] i hate nm. [18:46] ok commandline time: sudo ip addr add 192.168.1.1/24 dev eth0 [18:46] sudo ip link set dev eth0 up [18:47] done [18:47] ifconfig? [18:48] there we go [18:48] jip. [18:49] now we need to connect the router up, and hope it doesn't break you connection. [18:49] lol ok here goes [18:49] * Superhuman crosses fingers [18:50] its in and some lights flashing [18:50] yay you here??? [18:50] ok...try to ping 192.168.1.254 [18:51] yip that works [18:54] good [18:55] ok, here we have a choice. either we setup dhcp on the router, or you type in the settings on the tablet [18:56] maybe on the router [18:56] but how you get in there? with a hammer [18:56] sis will worry i mess up her tab [18:56] mmm ok. but I think we do that tomorrow. I need to look at that manual again. [18:56] so i dont touch it [18:57] thats cool ty very much [18:57] we'll do it via tge routers web interface [18:57] ok [18:57] i need to read up on the masquerading as well [18:58] glad you know what you are doing [18:58] lol, i play it by ear [18:58] lol [18:58] i understand what needs to happen, and go from there [18:58] i still have notes here somewhere on masquerading [18:59] when i set up other pc as a server [18:59] but then i could set that pcs ip addy manually [18:59] i have a config somewhere for it [18:59] ah [19:01] ok I'm off. Need to do some chores before bed. [19:01] sleep tight and thanks again [19:01] np === Kilos- is now known as Kilos [19:01] enjoy the evening everyone [19:01] you too [19:06] cool is everthing up and running Kilos ? [19:06] still just to make router share 3g magespawn [19:06] can be complex sometimes [19:06] at least its not killing nm anymore [19:07] yeah [19:07] if i knew it was all these probs i woulda saved the cash for 2 months data [19:07] and 3 less installs [19:08] live and learn [19:08] the router sees my cell fone but dunno how to tell it dial up [19:09] its aint got a gui nm i can see [19:09] is it plugged into the router? [19:10] but full install and only 24 meg data needed to update/upgrade [19:10] not now no i tried it this avy [19:10] and 8ta is rocking [19:10] 3 secs per meg when downloading [19:11] they are usually manager through a web interface in my experience [19:11] nice speeds [19:11] yeah much improved [19:12] downloaded the whole 186m android iso [19:12] but its very stupid. cant install keeps trying to detect android [19:12] hehe [19:18] maybe use an emulator [19:18] hey psychicist [19:19] i tried on the other pc and it boots to cd and gives options of running live or installing and on both just says detecting android and prints pages of dotted lines [19:19] grrr [19:19] wnated to try android on that pc [19:19] wanted [19:27] i thought you would need a special iso for that [19:27] i got the one they recommended [19:28] reckomened for desktops but its is a lappy install iso === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [19:31] Hmmm [19:31] Weird. It's throwing me on GPRS [19:32] K, found 3G [19:32] hehe [19:33] I wonder if Telkom Mobile has it's own network number [19:35] Kilos: http://trixarian.net/sakis3g.gz is updated now [19:35]